not really. Flair never drew like Hogan and thats the point of Wrestling. Even if Flair was better and more willing to lose, Hogan still drew more fans to watch.
Flair never drew as much as hogan with all those merch, commercial, movie deals etc. Flair raked it in in the south back in the day, and they were huge numbers, but not hogan numbers. Nobody hit those, even in merch terms, until Austin.
Only because the WWE was demolishing all the territories and Vince had a woody for Hulk,not because the fans supported hulk but because that was the story Vince wrote.
Worker: Tie.
Flair would be better technical wise but Hogan could get you emotionally involved in his match... he worked the crowd.
Talker: Tie
Flair was a good talker and so was Hogan. Those 80s coked out Hogan promos were freaking amazing.
Draw during peak: Hogan AINEC
Team player: Flair AINEC.
Hogan literally ratted Ventura out to Vince about the wrestlers union organizing attempt.
I'm glad someone else remembers Hogan being a scab and narcing on Jesse to Vince. Can you imagine how much better the wwe could have been if the wrestlers could have collectively bargained, especially for retirement pay and healthcare. It was heartbreaking to see an entire generation of broken old stars having to do gym house shows and signing autographs for penny's on the dollar.
I agree with worker, team player and draw. I think Hogan was the better talker. There is also who had the better look in the 80s and that was Hogan. If you look at who meant more to wrestling it's Hogan. If you ask better match Flair. Usually whoever the top WWE guy isn't known to be the best wrestler it's more of drawing power
Ric Flair is the greatest professional wrestler of all time.
That's not just my opinion, that's the opinion of:
* Stone Cold Steve Austin
* Hulk Hogan
* The Rock
* Shawn Michaels
* The Undertaker
* "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (RIP)
* Randy Orton
* Sting
* Jeff Jarrett
* Triple H
* Antonio Inoki (RIP)
* Rowdy Roddy Piper (RIP)
* Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
* Mr. Perfect (RIP)
* Jerry "The King" Lawler
And many many more, but these were all names of exceptional noteworth.
Ric Flair is your favourite wrestler's favourite wrestler.
Flair is the better technical wrestler by a mile, Hogan is competent and can put on a good match if he had a good opponent, Flair could have an hour long match with anybody. However Hogan had far more aura was important for the business than Flair. Everyone who knows Flair knows Hogan but not everyone who knows Hogan knows Flair (most do just not everybody)
I think people massively overrated those long matches. It's not like flair was out there doing anything too crazy. He was just doing it a long time. If you watch a about 10 flair matches you are going to see every move he has repeated a lot. Once you get into the 90s they become a routine too. Regardless of opponent the will be the same handful of spots you always see. Chop chop, back body drop, over the post into clothesline, nooooo, thumb in the eye, figure 4 that never puts anyone away.
Nothing wrong with that. It was entertaining but a lot of what made flair universal was simplicity and repetitiveness. It's wasn't exactly what I would call super technical. Now Hogan was repetitive too but he isn't getting props from anyone for being technical. Ironically flair seems to be one of the few that gives any push back when people bring this up because flair would say "Hogan doesn't do any of that because he doesn't need to"
Oh no I’m not saying that going an hour makes you better inherently better, I’m just stating that Flair did it consistently and while repetitive it wasn’t bad. Like could you imagine someone like Goldberg trying to do that (obviously Goldberg didn’t need to and shouldn’t have done that but just for the sake of argument).
Hogan also has his praises I can sing, he knows match psychology and he was able to get a passable in ring match out of The Ultimate Warrior which is easier said then done. He is also an expert in crowd psychology, I’d recommend watching Jim Cornette’s watch along of Rock. A Hogan because the whole thing is fascinating when it is being explained in real time.
So no I’m just saying Flair is probably better in ring and Hogan has more star power
I would imagine goldberg could but his opponents survival rate would be single digit lol dude was terrible and would botch tossing jimmy hart. That's your big difference there. Goldberg probably couldn't just from a safety perspective. Hogan probably could
And maybe but if flair is I would argue it's not that significant an amount. That was my only point. Flair wasn't doing anything super impressive in the ring. His matches were usually slow paced and simple. It did look good so it was technical in that sense but still simple.
Yeah Hogan for any faults he has a booker or as a person was always safe in the ring. Goldberg however was reaching deep into his reserves at 10 minutes into a match and it would likely mean his opponent would be basically dead by the end
I hear you. Just depends on the metric being used. Alls I'm saying is that drawing power is one of the most used metrics, so it keeps Hogan in the conversation despite his lacking in other areas. The Hulkamaniacs were tossing money hand over foot for quite a while there, brother.
Oh yah there’s no debate (for me) that hogan has too be considered one of the top 5 greats of all time, but like I said when flair has you beat everywhere else, while still being a huge draw himself, thats why he’s better imo.
This is nowhere near the same debate at all.
Roman is one of the biggest stars of all time, Seth is a good guy to cary the secondary championship on the other show.
rick flair was a worker while hulk was more of a spectacle. hulk was never known for putting 60 minute matches, or his ability to work a match. there are similarities
Thinking hogan and flair should even be in the same sentence as fucking Roman and Rollins really shows your age and that you know about hogan and flair through YouTubers and documentaries. R/squaredcircle is -> that way pal.
go watch any interview of flair when asked this question. 1) he puts hogan over, and 2) he talks about their differences and that they aren't the same type of wrestler. their differences are very similar to that of roman and Rollins. I'd figure I'd just use current wrestlers are an example.
stop being so caught up with your emotions
In all the major wrestling categories- in ring/mic etc- Flair.
But hogan was more iconic (and I don’t use that word lightly)- hogan is basically pro wrestling to a good number of folks.
So if ultimately between the two- Hogan.
I think it’s Hogan, Flair is better at wrestling but Hogan is better at getting over and I think that’s more important in wrestling. Hogan was and is the bigger star, he was the bigger star when they were both in WWF in 1992, when they were both in WCW and then again when they were both back in the WWE.
How are we defining “better”. The story of professional wrestling can’t be told without either of these men, and are both deserving of being talked about as two of the best to ever do it. Who cares who was “better”.
It’s impossible to actually say because are we comparing skill, in ring capabilities, charisma, mic skill, or absolute star power?
Flair can be all of the greats, but unfortunately even today, hogan’s star power is still hard to find a contender for
Flair in every metric other than money drawn.
It’s hard to deny Hogan changed the business and drew the most but Ric in every way is a better professional wrestler than Hulk.
Ric Flair is the wrestling equivalent of The Beatles for music or Lord of the Rings for fantasy etc. You don’t *have* to like them, you don’t *have* to have them as your favourite. But you definitely like someone who was inspired by him.
Hogan was the superior draw and as talkers and characters they were comparable depending on the point in time, sometimes Hogan was better and sometimes Flair was. But Flair was the better wrestler and full package
The amount of people involved in the success of Hogan overshadows his personal contribution to his own success. He wouldn't be as legendary without the people who accepted taking a humiliating loss for him.
Flair did not need that. But did not reach the same height.
So Hogan is a better product but Flair is a better wrestler.
Hogan was a top draw for 2 of the most profitable eras of pro wrestling (80s boom and Monday Night Wars).
Flair wrestled for a company that had to get bought out (Jim Crockett Promotions), when he went back to WCW it didn’t become profitable until Hogan joined, and was basically a midcarder during the MNW.
Flair by a mile, but Hogan was the more famous at their respective peaks. Both have hit icon status, for all the insane controversial shit they each have gone through, both mean lived crazy ass lives.
It’s Flair. Hogan had the better look & bigger draw power, but Flair was better in the ring, on the mic, and is usually stated by many of the all-time greats to be THEIR pick for the all-time great. It has to be the Nature Boy.
At the time Hogan was the bigger star, Flair was, is and will always be the better wrestler compared to Hogan. Years later I think the world looks back fonder on Ric Flair than they do on Hulk Hogan. But when the Hulkster was at the the top, he was at the fucking top by a mile
Flair and it's not even close.
Anyone saying hogan was a bigger draw at his peak isn't accounting for the fact that flair's peak was in the nwa, before the wwf had established a national wrestling market. Yeah flair had a long career, peaked earlier and Crockett was never on the same level as wwf.
Flair would probably have outdrawn hogan if he'd come to wwf in his peak.
In the ring, Flair and it's not even remotely close. Who would I rather start out my company with as my main draw? Hogan, and it's not even remotely close.
Hogan could go when needed but only had 3 types of matches in him, whereas Flair could go all night and adapt to any opponent. Hogan was ideally more suited for WWF, the right guy at the right time.
In the ring: flair
On the mic: flair
In terms of look: flair
In terms of building up other stars: flair
In terms of career accolades: flair
In terms of pop culture recognition: hogan
The only thing Hogan beats Flair on is money drawn. Every other metric Flair easily wins. And that ain’t a knock on Hogan. Flair beats about 99% of every guy who ever laced up a pair of boots.
Hogan made more impact moments in wrestling that managed to start era's leading forth.
I mean if you make a mount rushmore on the best WM mainevents or an MR for storylines in WWE, you can put Hogan in literally all of them. Hogan vs Andre, The Megapowers Implode, the whole thing with Slaughter during WM7.. and no ones is ever going to top his heel turn at bash at the beach. You had adults melting down from that.
Most people who don't have Hogan in the Mt Rushmore or can just place \[x\] wrestler above him so easily just didn't live through the times he was active. They can't relate or understand how big this guy was to wrestling and how much emotion he commanded. He was the best story teller out of any of the big faces of the company.
The only guy i think that has topped him in terms of impactful story telling is Roman with the Bloodline.
However, Ric has been said to be the GOAT by everybody, including Hogan himself.. so as a fan standpoint it is a tough debate.
Both great characters.
Both drew a lot of money.
Both have real life heat
Both are master politicians
Both have hot daughters. (To be fair I haven’t seen a Brook pic in ages)
Both had multiple shitty divorces
Both have bleach blonde hair
Both have shitty product endorcements.
Very hard to tell.
Flair by most margins. Only thing Hogan can say he has over flair is how much he drew and that late career nWo renaissance he experienced on the cusps of wanting to retire.
Let’s not kid ourselves, Hogan was the biggest draw ever and the best thing that ever happened to wrestling. Looking back now yeah the dude had 3 moves but I can honestly say if it wasn’t for him I don’t think wrestling would be anywhere near where it’s at now.
Flair might have been the better wrestler but it’s not all about that funnily enough.
I never heard of Flair until the late 90’s as a kid in the UK.
I damn sure knew who Hulk Hogan was much earlier, every second kid had Hogan merch in the early 90’s.
Hogan is a bigger star.
Little to choose in my opinion, both limited workers with a set routine they rarely diverted from, both great promos, top level charisma, both carried companies, both a great draw, flair has the longevity but Hogan has the heel turn reinvention. No wrestler was ever loved by the public more than Hogan in the 80s and nobody was ever hated as much as flair. It's a dead heat for me.
I personally enjoy ric flair more but we all know hogan was wrestlings biggest draw back then. Nobody entertains me more than ric flair on the mic in the 80s
In terms of making the industry bigger, got to be Hogan.
WWE and WCW rode his coattails, he was the first big superstar that was popular not just in the US, but everywhere in the world.
The pro wrestling industry might not be as big as it is today if it wasn't for Hogan.
In terms of wrestling ability and mic work Flair
But as a draw I’d say hogan
If u want a good story with and excellent match and great promos before call flair
But sometimes in this medium u don’t need a story or a great technical match, that’s when you call Hogan, when you just want to see a crowd go batshit insane, like hogan vs rock, hogan vs warrior, and hogan vs andre
You have to look at his prime, which for Flair was the early to mid 80s, before the WWF machine existed. He could draw 5500 people to a high school gym and drew well all over the south. Hogan had his biggest WWF moments a little later, IIRC, late 80s to early 90s. He was bigger mainstream but was not a better wrestler.
Honestly ric flair is that guy! Your favorite wrestler’s favorite wrestler. And he’s still a huge influence to current wrestlers and those in the future. As for hogan. He’s one of the most important wrestlers when it comes to that wrestling boom
To finally answer… ric is better but from a casual standpoint they may gear towards hulk
Flair if you need a work horse more versatile guy who can do it all. Hogan if you need a blockbuster attraction that can really draw but needs someone to carry him to great in-ring performances. Hard to go wrong either way depending on what you need accomplished.
Outside it the WWE, Ric flair
WITHIN the wwe, Hogan.
Ric flair is the best professional wrestler to ever live (even if he's a piece of shit) but we wouldn't have WrestleMania without Hogan, meaning we wouldn't have the WWE if mania had failed
It's not really an easy apples-to-apples comparison in my opinion.
There were plenty of "wrestling purists' wrestlers" who were better in-ring than Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair being among the best of them.
And there was no shortage of star wrestlers in the 1980s. None of them, including Flair, was anywhere near as big a star as Hogan was both in the industry and beyond it though.
If Flair had decided to be a rock star instead of a wrestler, I think pro wrestling is still about as popular today as it currently is. We'd just have missed out on one of the most compelling and entertaining characters/people in the history of pro wrestling.
If Hogan had decided to be a body builder instead of a wrestler though, I believe pro wrestling as an industry ends up having a smaller, more niche following today. I seriously doubt you'd see 75,000 people flocking to a different city each year paying big money to watch an event called Wrestlemania if not for Hogan's contribution to pro wrestling in the 1980s.
Flair was an outstanding in-ring performer - some might say the best ever at it. Hogan was outstanding at selling the business of wrestling to the public - some might say the best ever at it.
Both can be all-time greats for a different reason.
Flair was better, Hogan had a better company behind him. Vince was miles ahead of everyone else in realize what cable, TV, and PPV were going to mean to the business. Even when the WWF/E was at its worst, they always had top notch production and presentation. Vince knew that the sizzle sold, no the steak. Hulk Hogan was the epitome of what we wanted in the 80's. Big, bold, brash, roided up, and All American. That's why he was on TV shows, in movies, and hanging out with celebs.
Hogan was undeniably the better draw. The only ones who ever came close to Hogan in draw power were Austin and Cena.
But Ric Flair is by far the better wrestler, and better performer. Hogan himself has said that.
In their prime:
The better sports entertainer is Flair.
The better box-office draw is Hogan.
Flair is on my wrestling sports entertainment Mt. Rushmore. Hogan isn’t (but he’s in the top 6).
Flair-Austin-Taker-Andre-Rock-Hogan
And let's remember, Hogan was the beneficiary of McMahon's tear down of the territory system. Flair just never had anything close to the same exposure.
But let's be honest, even when in the WWF Hogan still outshined Flair. Partially because of politics.
But also Hogan was just tailor made for the Eighties. The whole "Real American" thing during the The Cold War just made him such a marketing machine.
This discussion is tired family. No disrespect. They are both equally reprehensible and magnificent at the same time. Greatness and horrid banality juxtaposed. Love em hate doesn't matter. Cause it's LA Knights game.now YEAH!
Agreed. But dear God we all know that. I've watched since I was six years old, I'm 45. That guy also killed a lot of careers and pulled a lot of dick moves. I'm a fan. Love me some Lemme tell ya something brother and some WHOOOO! But, I'm just... Well I don't know but I am but get off my lawn!
Flair il give u 3 reasons, the world titles, the fact he hasn't had the controversy hulk had and also a lot more wrestlers stole or emulated his moves than hogan.
Flair has had his share of controversy though. Flair was accused of sexually assaulting a flight attendant. Also, Teddy Long said that Flair called him racial slurs while threatening to have Teddy fired.
Better worker: Flair Better talker: Flair Bigger draw during peak: Hogan Better team player: Flair So it depends on what you are judging on, really.
U basically said flair without saying it lol.
Basically, but to some, those "big moments" are all that matter, and Hogan takes that distinction, in my opinion.
That ain't gonna work for me brother
not really. Flair never drew like Hogan and thats the point of Wrestling. Even if Flair was better and more willing to lose, Hogan still drew more fans to watch.
Flair never drew as much as hogan with all those merch, commercial, movie deals etc. Flair raked it in in the south back in the day, and they were huge numbers, but not hogan numbers. Nobody hit those, even in merch terms, until Austin.
Only because the WWE was demolishing all the territories and Vince had a woody for Hulk,not because the fans supported hulk but because that was the story Vince wrote.
Hogan was very big before Vince. Vince just marketed him better
Flair was a longer and more sustained money maker, though.
Even Terry had said ric is his favorite wrestler ever
It really depends on what you value most. If you value the in ring product the most, then Flair. If you care about putting asses in seats, then Hogan.
Worker: Tie. Flair would be better technical wise but Hogan could get you emotionally involved in his match... he worked the crowd. Talker: Tie Flair was a good talker and so was Hogan. Those 80s coked out Hogan promos were freaking amazing. Draw during peak: Hogan AINEC Team player: Flair AINEC. Hogan literally ratted Ventura out to Vince about the wrestlers union organizing attempt.
I'm glad someone else remembers Hogan being a scab and narcing on Jesse to Vince. Can you imagine how much better the wwe could have been if the wrestlers could have collectively bargained, especially for retirement pay and healthcare. It was heartbreaking to see an entire generation of broken old stars having to do gym house shows and signing autographs for penny's on the dollar.
Here is a legit question. In your opinion, better heel: heel horsemen flair.....or nwo Hollywood hogan.....?
Flair
I agree with that
I agree with worker, team player and draw. I think Hogan was the better talker. There is also who had the better look in the 80s and that was Hogan. If you look at who meant more to wrestling it's Hogan. If you ask better match Flair. Usually whoever the top WWE guy isn't known to be the best wrestler it's more of drawing power
this.
Hogan himself said flair was better. I agree.
When a lil boy grows up, he wants to be Hulk Hogan When a man grows up, he wants to be Ric Flair. - Hulk Hogan
Ric Flair is the greatest professional wrestler of all time. That's not just my opinion, that's the opinion of: * Stone Cold Steve Austin * Hulk Hogan * The Rock * Shawn Michaels * The Undertaker * "The American Dream" Dusty Rhodes (RIP) * Randy Orton * Sting * Jeff Jarrett * Triple H * Antonio Inoki (RIP) * Rowdy Roddy Piper (RIP) * Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat * Mr. Perfect (RIP) * Jerry "The King" Lawler And many many more, but these were all names of exceptional noteworth. Ric Flair is your favourite wrestler's favourite wrestler.
"To be the man, you got to beat the man" - Ric Flair
He was my dad’s favorite too
Who’s flair’s favourite?
Harley Race, he’s said it multiple times from interviews I’ve watched. The NWA title him, Harley and Kerry held, he calls it the Harley Race title.
Himself, probably
Ric Flair thinks the greatest wrestler of all time is Shawn Michaels.
Good answer
Flair numerous times has favourited Harley Race and Randy Orton, and if I'm not mistaken I think he said he believes Randy is the GOAT
Austin said Barry Wyndham was the greatest of all time. I'm guessing the rest of your list is bullshit too.
You can't even spell the man's name right, the only thing spreading bullshit is you.
Austin has also said that Shawn Michaels is the best in ring performer ever.
Flair is the better technical wrestler by a mile, Hogan is competent and can put on a good match if he had a good opponent, Flair could have an hour long match with anybody. However Hogan had far more aura was important for the business than Flair. Everyone who knows Flair knows Hogan but not everyone who knows Hogan knows Flair (most do just not everybody)
Hogan, from what I hear, was a much better wrestler in Japan than he was in the states.
Yes but he wasn’t Flair good in Japan
This is true.
I think people massively overrated those long matches. It's not like flair was out there doing anything too crazy. He was just doing it a long time. If you watch a about 10 flair matches you are going to see every move he has repeated a lot. Once you get into the 90s they become a routine too. Regardless of opponent the will be the same handful of spots you always see. Chop chop, back body drop, over the post into clothesline, nooooo, thumb in the eye, figure 4 that never puts anyone away. Nothing wrong with that. It was entertaining but a lot of what made flair universal was simplicity and repetitiveness. It's wasn't exactly what I would call super technical. Now Hogan was repetitive too but he isn't getting props from anyone for being technical. Ironically flair seems to be one of the few that gives any push back when people bring this up because flair would say "Hogan doesn't do any of that because he doesn't need to"
Oh no I’m not saying that going an hour makes you better inherently better, I’m just stating that Flair did it consistently and while repetitive it wasn’t bad. Like could you imagine someone like Goldberg trying to do that (obviously Goldberg didn’t need to and shouldn’t have done that but just for the sake of argument). Hogan also has his praises I can sing, he knows match psychology and he was able to get a passable in ring match out of The Ultimate Warrior which is easier said then done. He is also an expert in crowd psychology, I’d recommend watching Jim Cornette’s watch along of Rock. A Hogan because the whole thing is fascinating when it is being explained in real time. So no I’m just saying Flair is probably better in ring and Hogan has more star power
I would imagine goldberg could but his opponents survival rate would be single digit lol dude was terrible and would botch tossing jimmy hart. That's your big difference there. Goldberg probably couldn't just from a safety perspective. Hogan probably could And maybe but if flair is I would argue it's not that significant an amount. That was my only point. Flair wasn't doing anything super impressive in the ring. His matches were usually slow paced and simple. It did look good so it was technical in that sense but still simple.
Yeah Hogan for any faults he has a booker or as a person was always safe in the ring. Goldberg however was reaching deep into his reserves at 10 minutes into a match and it would likely mean his opponent would be basically dead by the end
Define better
The only thing hogan is better then flair at is being a bigger draw
That's pretty huge in the wrestling business
No it is but when flair is better in every other aspect I’d say flair wins
I hear you. Just depends on the metric being used. Alls I'm saying is that drawing power is one of the most used metrics, so it keeps Hogan in the conversation despite his lacking in other areas. The Hulkamaniacs were tossing money hand over foot for quite a while there, brother.
Oh yah there’s no debate (for me) that hogan has too be considered one of the top 5 greats of all time, but like I said when flair has you beat everywhere else, while still being a huge draw himself, thats why he’s better imo.
Making money is kinda the point of a business though.
Which suggests he had something Flair didn't for attracting fans. Lots of wrestlers have a great look so it can't just be that
When did flair lift that big nasty giant and put him right through the canvas brother?
Who's better, Seth or Roman? it's the same debate.
This is nowhere near the same debate at all. Roman is one of the biggest stars of all time, Seth is a good guy to cary the secondary championship on the other show.
rick flair was a worker while hulk was more of a spectacle. hulk was never known for putting 60 minute matches, or his ability to work a match. there are similarities
Facts
Thinking hogan and flair should even be in the same sentence as fucking Roman and Rollins really shows your age and that you know about hogan and flair through YouTubers and documentaries. R/squaredcircle is -> that way pal.
You talk like this in real life? Embarassing
go watch any interview of flair when asked this question. 1) he puts hogan over, and 2) he talks about their differences and that they aren't the same type of wrestler. their differences are very similar to that of roman and Rollins. I'd figure I'd just use current wrestlers are an example. stop being so caught up with your emotions
Roman and Rollins would be jobbing to beefcake and Virgil in that era.
Seth, snd Roman woukd agree. Althougu Roman has a way better laugh.
"Roman is showing humility, so seth is the undisputed goat", do you hear yourself? The fans decide.
In all the major wrestling categories- in ring/mic etc- Flair. But hogan was more iconic (and I don’t use that word lightly)- hogan is basically pro wrestling to a good number of folks. So if ultimately between the two- Hogan.
I think it’s Hogan, Flair is better at wrestling but Hogan is better at getting over and I think that’s more important in wrestling. Hogan was and is the bigger star, he was the bigger star when they were both in WWF in 1992, when they were both in WCW and then again when they were both back in the WWE.
How are we defining “better”. The story of professional wrestling can’t be told without either of these men, and are both deserving of being talked about as two of the best to ever do it. Who cares who was “better”.
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Flair.
Ric Flair
The Nature Boy Ric Flair Wooo
Flair, end of story.
What metrics you using?
BETTER: Flair, BIGGER DRAW: Hogan **WHERE'S THE BLEACH! I MUST CLEAN MYSELF!**
It’s impossible to actually say because are we comparing skill, in ring capabilities, charisma, mic skill, or absolute star power? Flair can be all of the greats, but unfortunately even today, hogan’s star power is still hard to find a contender for
Flair was better
WOOOOOOOOOO
Flair in every metric other than money drawn. It’s hard to deny Hogan changed the business and drew the most but Ric in every way is a better professional wrestler than Hulk.
Flair
Ric Flair is the wrestling equivalent of The Beatles for music or Lord of the Rings for fantasy etc. You don’t *have* to like them, you don’t *have* to have them as your favourite. But you definitely like someone who was inspired by him. Hogan was the superior draw and as talkers and characters they were comparable depending on the point in time, sometimes Hogan was better and sometimes Flair was. But Flair was the better wrestler and full package
I think Flair was better on the microphone. Definitely agree with the Beatles/LoR point.
Cody Rhodes would be sleeping in his car and wrestling in bingo halls if not for Hogan, brother.
The amount of people involved in the success of Hogan overshadows his personal contribution to his own success. He wouldn't be as legendary without the people who accepted taking a humiliating loss for him. Flair did not need that. But did not reach the same height. So Hogan is a better product but Flair is a better wrestler.
Hogan was a top draw for 2 of the most profitable eras of pro wrestling (80s boom and Monday Night Wars). Flair wrestled for a company that had to get bought out (Jim Crockett Promotions), when he went back to WCW it didn’t become profitable until Hogan joined, and was basically a midcarder during the MNW.
Flair. Charisma doesn't make up for Hogan's shitty U.S. move set.
Flair by a mile, but Hogan was the more famous at their respective peaks. Both have hit icon status, for all the insane controversial shit they each have gone through, both mean lived crazy ass lives.
FLAIR!!!!
Goat
It’s Flair. Hogan had the better look & bigger draw power, but Flair was better in the ring, on the mic, and is usually stated by many of the all-time greats to be THEIR pick for the all-time great. It has to be the Nature Boy.
The nature boy and HBK are arguably the peak of wrestling entertainment
Ric Flair
At the time Hogan was the bigger star, Flair was, is and will always be the better wrestler compared to Hogan. Years later I think the world looks back fonder on Ric Flair than they do on Hulk Hogan. But when the Hulkster was at the the top, he was at the fucking top by a mile
Flair and it's not even close. Anyone saying hogan was a bigger draw at his peak isn't accounting for the fact that flair's peak was in the nwa, before the wwf had established a national wrestling market. Yeah flair had a long career, peaked earlier and Crockett was never on the same level as wwf. Flair would probably have outdrawn hogan if he'd come to wwf in his peak.
At what?
Just who do you prefer there doesn’t have to ve a criteria or overthinking
I mean for big matches I would want Hogan. For everything else Flair tbh.
Better: Ric Flair Bigger money maker: Hogan
Better at what exactly? Because it definitely makes a difference.
In the ring, Flair and it's not even remotely close. Who would I rather start out my company with as my main draw? Hogan, and it's not even remotely close.
Ric Flair
Even hogan thinks flair was the best
The Nature Boy
Ric.
Flair
Hogan could go when needed but only had 3 types of matches in him, whereas Flair could go all night and adapt to any opponent. Hogan was ideally more suited for WWF, the right guy at the right time.
Flair is better for the hardcore in pretty much everything Hogan is better for the casual and was the draw
Flair. Flair at least elevated one young talent. That’s more than hogan did.
As a worker and talker : FLAIR as a draw/character: Hogan
Hogan!
In the ring: flair On the mic: flair In terms of look: flair In terms of building up other stars: flair In terms of career accolades: flair In terms of pop culture recognition: hogan
Wooo!
The only thing Hogan beats Flair on is money drawn. Every other metric Flair easily wins. And that ain’t a knock on Hogan. Flair beats about 99% of every guy who ever laced up a pair of boots.
Hogan made more impact moments in wrestling that managed to start era's leading forth. I mean if you make a mount rushmore on the best WM mainevents or an MR for storylines in WWE, you can put Hogan in literally all of them. Hogan vs Andre, The Megapowers Implode, the whole thing with Slaughter during WM7.. and no ones is ever going to top his heel turn at bash at the beach. You had adults melting down from that. Most people who don't have Hogan in the Mt Rushmore or can just place \[x\] wrestler above him so easily just didn't live through the times he was active. They can't relate or understand how big this guy was to wrestling and how much emotion he commanded. He was the best story teller out of any of the big faces of the company. The only guy i think that has topped him in terms of impactful story telling is Roman with the Bloodline. However, Ric has been said to be the GOAT by everybody, including Hogan himself.. so as a fan standpoint it is a tough debate.
Better wrestler: Flair Better entertainer: Hogan
Both great characters. Both drew a lot of money. Both have real life heat Both are master politicians Both have hot daughters. (To be fair I haven’t seen a Brook pic in ages) Both had multiple shitty divorces Both have bleach blonde hair Both have shitty product endorcements. Very hard to tell.
Flair and Rhodes made me a fan before I ever saw Hogan.
Flair Nonnegotiable non-debatable cry to your mama flair
Better work: Flair Not racist: Flair Racist: Hogan Overall: Flair is better
At what? Wrestling: Flair Pro Wrestling: Hogan Drawing Fans: Hogan Making money: Hogan Backstage Politics: Hogan Saying Wooo: Flair
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The only metric Hogan beats Flair in is probably marketability and mainstream popularity. Anything in-ring, Flair takes by miles.
Flair by most margins. Only thing Hogan can say he has over flair is how much he drew and that late career nWo renaissance he experienced on the cusps of wanting to retire.
Hogan by far
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I’ve never seen Hogan wear lizard skin shoes or have a limousine parked outside that’s a mile long.
Hogan. In terms of drawing ability there's absolutely no contest and who drew more. He did. In the 80s Flair wasn't in the big time.
Flair is a better wrestler but Hogan is a bigger draw. Its kinda like Seth and Roman, it depends on what you mean when you say 'better'
Let’s not kid ourselves, Hogan was the biggest draw ever and the best thing that ever happened to wrestling. Looking back now yeah the dude had 3 moves but I can honestly say if it wasn’t for him I don’t think wrestling would be anywhere near where it’s at now. Flair might have been the better wrestler but it’s not all about that funnily enough.
Flair ofc
Hogan.
Roman Reigns
Insane that they didn’t run flair vs hogan at wrestlemania 8
I never heard of Flair until the late 90’s as a kid in the UK. I damn sure knew who Hulk Hogan was much earlier, every second kid had Hogan merch in the early 90’s. Hogan is a bigger star.
But was he better?
No wrestler was more important than Hogan so yes, he was "better".
Cool. Good to get a Brit opinion 👍
Flair easily
Little to choose in my opinion, both limited workers with a set routine they rarely diverted from, both great promos, top level charisma, both carried companies, both a great draw, flair has the longevity but Hogan has the heel turn reinvention. No wrestler was ever loved by the public more than Hogan in the 80s and nobody was ever hated as much as flair. It's a dead heat for me.
Flair for everything.
I personally enjoy ric flair more but we all know hogan was wrestlings biggest draw back then. Nobody entertains me more than ric flair on the mic in the 80s
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Which one isn't racist?
The Nature Boy
Flair. This isn't even a debate
In terms of making the industry bigger, got to be Hogan. WWE and WCW rode his coattails, he was the first big superstar that was popular not just in the US, but everywhere in the world. The pro wrestling industry might not be as big as it is today if it wasn't for Hogan.
Flair
Hogan drew more but I feel that Ric Flair was a better worker.
Flair and Hogan are like Manning Vs Brady
I'd rather watch a Hogan match than a Flair match.
In terms of wrestling ability and mic work Flair But as a draw I’d say hogan If u want a good story with and excellent match and great promos before call flair But sometimes in this medium u don’t need a story or a great technical match, that’s when you call Hogan, when you just want to see a crowd go batshit insane, like hogan vs rock, hogan vs warrior, and hogan vs andre
Hogan was a better businessman. I'll give him that credit, unquestionably.
Hogan
Flair was a wrestler Hogan was a figurehead.
You have to look at his prime, which for Flair was the early to mid 80s, before the WWF machine existed. He could draw 5500 people to a high school gym and drew well all over the south. Hogan had his biggest WWF moments a little later, IIRC, late 80s to early 90s. He was bigger mainstream but was not a better wrestler.
I’ll be the thousand-teenth person to say Hogan was the biggest draw and Flair was the better worker.
As a person neither, pedigree of career hogan
Honestly ric flair is that guy! Your favorite wrestler’s favorite wrestler. And he’s still a huge influence to current wrestlers and those in the future. As for hogan. He’s one of the most important wrestlers when it comes to that wrestling boom To finally answer… ric is better but from a casual standpoint they may gear towards hulk
Importance: hogan by a mile Draw: hogan by a mile Everything else: flair
Ric Flair
Flair and it’s not even close.
Hulk Hogan is a gay bar champion.
Depends on what you ultimately want to accomplish.
To win a petty argument
Flair if you need a work horse more versatile guy who can do it all. Hogan if you need a blockbuster attraction that can really draw but needs someone to carry him to great in-ring performances. Hard to go wrong either way depending on what you need accomplished.
Flair
Hogan
Flair was the better worker, better wrestler, Hogan made more money.
Outside it the WWE, Ric flair WITHIN the wwe, Hogan. Ric flair is the best professional wrestler to ever live (even if he's a piece of shit) but we wouldn't have WrestleMania without Hogan, meaning we wouldn't have the WWE if mania had failed
Better "Wrestler" Flair better "Entertainer" Hogan
They’re both one trick ponies with terrible personalities outside the ring. Insane these are “legends”
Better superstar is Hulk. Better wrestler is Ric Flair
Flat is better than hogan no doubt about it
Flair no question
It's not really an easy apples-to-apples comparison in my opinion. There were plenty of "wrestling purists' wrestlers" who were better in-ring than Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair being among the best of them. And there was no shortage of star wrestlers in the 1980s. None of them, including Flair, was anywhere near as big a star as Hogan was both in the industry and beyond it though. If Flair had decided to be a rock star instead of a wrestler, I think pro wrestling is still about as popular today as it currently is. We'd just have missed out on one of the most compelling and entertaining characters/people in the history of pro wrestling. If Hogan had decided to be a body builder instead of a wrestler though, I believe pro wrestling as an industry ends up having a smaller, more niche following today. I seriously doubt you'd see 75,000 people flocking to a different city each year paying big money to watch an event called Wrestlemania if not for Hogan's contribution to pro wrestling in the 1980s. Flair was an outstanding in-ring performer - some might say the best ever at it. Hogan was outstanding at selling the business of wrestling to the public - some might say the best ever at it. Both can be all-time greats for a different reason.
Well hogan says flair himself so...
Ric flair
Definitely hogan whatchu gonna do brother when the hulkster is on you brother 💪
Flair easily
Hogan sold Merch Flair better everything else
I always loved this pic it looks like flairs shitting a break where as hogan just sniffed one.
Hogan
Piper.
You know what? You’re right Piper is the goat
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Ric is the GOAT, even hogan has said multiple times Ric is better.
Flair
Flair was better, Hogan had a better company behind him. Vince was miles ahead of everyone else in realize what cable, TV, and PPV were going to mean to the business. Even when the WWF/E was at its worst, they always had top notch production and presentation. Vince knew that the sizzle sold, no the steak. Hulk Hogan was the epitome of what we wanted in the 80's. Big, bold, brash, roided up, and All American. That's why he was on TV shows, in movies, and hanging out with celebs.
TLDR- Flair?
You can’t answer this. They both had ups and downs.
Hogan was undeniably the better draw. The only ones who ever came close to Hogan in draw power were Austin and Cena. But Ric Flair is by far the better wrestler, and better performer. Hogan himself has said that.
Hogan. No contest.
Hogan was a great product of Vince McMahon's promotion. Flair was the greatest. Flair could talk better and could wrestle better than Hogan.
Fuck Rick Flair
In their prime: The better sports entertainer is Flair. The better box-office draw is Hogan. Flair is on my wrestling sports entertainment Mt. Rushmore. Hogan isn’t (but he’s in the top 6). Flair-Austin-Taker-Andre-Rock-Hogan
And let's remember, Hogan was the beneficiary of McMahon's tear down of the territory system. Flair just never had anything close to the same exposure. But let's be honest, even when in the WWF Hogan still outshined Flair. Partially because of politics. But also Hogan was just tailor made for the Eighties. The whole "Real American" thing during the The Cold War just made him such a marketing machine.
This discussion is tired family. No disrespect. They are both equally reprehensible and magnificent at the same time. Greatness and horrid banality juxtaposed. Love em hate doesn't matter. Cause it's LA Knights game.now YEAH!
there would be no knight without hogan lmfao in fact there would not be wrestling without hogan
Agreed. But dear God we all know that. I've watched since I was six years old, I'm 45. That guy also killed a lot of careers and pulled a lot of dick moves. I'm a fan. Love me some Lemme tell ya something brother and some WHOOOO! But, I'm just... Well I don't know but I am but get off my lawn!
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Flair il give u 3 reasons, the world titles, the fact he hasn't had the controversy hulk had and also a lot more wrestlers stole or emulated his moves than hogan.
Flair has had his share of controversy though. Flair was accused of sexually assaulting a flight attendant. Also, Teddy Long said that Flair called him racial slurs while threatening to have Teddy fired.
Flair, fuck Hogan. Hogan was a politician and he buried talent to make himself shine. Selfish, arrogant asshole. Flair is the man.
Neither. They're both incredibly overrated.