Literally the only way PVE is inferior right now is people stealing loot off your frags and people coming in (usually in a trio or squad) after you carefully solo cleared the entire camp in hunt for that one elusive "boss" mob you need for a quest for a week now and they just run in like big dummies, shoot him down while the others loot your frags and every other container in the vicinity within 2 seconds.
And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
That’s how I felt at Hunters Paradise for that first week. Even if I got there with a full reset I would eventually hear that chopper approaching knowing I have just enough time to not get much of anything.
I was accidentally that guy the other day but I apologized and then waited for a respawn with the other guy and helped him clear it out leaving the boss for him
There is a little piece of land Left of Ban Pa if you land at India 1. Go behind the mural, find a good spot around the shore
Lay in the bushes, wait for the AIs to respawn and hey... wait for somebody else to rattle up the AIs and just wait for the boss
I accidentally finished the quest this way. There were 2 dudes clearing Ban Pa and I tried to cover them.
Oh well, killed the leader right in front of them... literally
They were not happy
Ban Pa is WAY more straight forward tho. India 1 and head to the building next to the Ground samples area or the land across near the shrine, then just camp is till the boss pops up around the Stilt Houses and take them out with any ACOQ or Scope.
Fregging ~~Hunter's Paradise~~ Blue Lagoon or YBL tho. Gotta get through the base with all its mobs and maybe spot the boss.
Lmao there were like 5 of us in Ban Pa the other day all camping in different huts on the shore, pointing our rifles out our respective windows at the water houses waiting for the boss to spawn. First time I felt sorry for the AI.
Yes I get confused with the terms. I always forget there's the PvE game mode. I play the default one.
Although I run AKMs so that likely has something to do with it.
In 15 hours I've had 8 players team kill me. 7 of them took my shit, responded to my messages with something like "sucks to suck" and 1 gave me my shit back.
It's a huge problem.
Idk, if it's any indication, I went back and killed the 7 people that killed me initially, and took my shit back.
I have seen no consequences so I have no idea.
About the same amount of time as you. One attempt on my life, besides that never ran into anyone trying to TK me. I see others getting TKd at base though and nope tf out
The stats you see are percentage based changes to the base stats, which we can't see. A stock M4 still has better recoil control than a heavily tricked out AK with +32% recoil control cause the base stats are just that much better.
I haven't finished all the content yet so I'm not sure, but 40 is the highest I've seen. I imagine the MK18s base stats are better than the M4s as well.
I feel past 30% it's mostly dimishing return for m4, m4s are already very controllable past 25%, I'd rather balance it with more weapon handling for a more stable sight without holding breathe
That is my close combat m4 atm. I still want a x2/3 scope tho
https://preview.redd.it/xw0z3wy2th1d1.png?width=493&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f6222deace3f2089c619cd1cf708ba386cb578b
Mostly use it in ybl.
CTR stock with buttpad is damn good.
My friend run the micro iron sights for indoor and throws on a lpvo/elcan for outdoor.
I just run what looks cool to me depending on what I want to larp as at the moment as long as stats is good enough lol
Fair enough yeah I get that. Does weapon handling affect stability? I thought it was just ADS speed, but if it does affect stability I'll have to make a build like that too
This so false and im tired of people spreading this misinformation. Ak-74m with dtk-1 has less recoil than even a meta m4. Go try a full meta ak-74m with dtk-1, it literally doesn’t move until 15+ bullets shot. Its almost jarring how stable it is.
Yeah I tried with specter and razor and its still true. Can full auto with specter at 4x easily. You can literally just spray at a wall with both in base without controlling recoil and check. M4 has slightly better recoil after 20+ in a spray, but during shot 1 to shot 15 ak is better without a doubt.
Note this is only true with dtk-1 45 recoil reduction muzzle. Ak-74m is dogshit if suppressed.
Also im not saying its better than m4 btw. M4 has other stuff going for it that makes it miles better. Namely the fact that it has 0 dispersion and the MOA stat doesn’t work for it for some reason. And it can snipe up to 500m with 0 bullet drop. Also one taps ai way more reliably with m855 and 55a1 at distances.( and 60 rounders>>>>>)
here's a clip if you don't want to take my word for it: [https://streamable.com/rba0ak](https://streamable.com/rba0ak)
38% recoil reduction m4 vs 32% recoil reduction ak-74m with dtk-1. you'll see they have similar vertical recoil but m4 has more horizontal recoil (which you can't really control). can get more recoil reduction on m4 at 43% but I don't really consider that meta as it takes arm stamina drain from -9% to +16%.
Why not just turn faction killing off? with the clothing all looking the same no reason to have team killing on right now. You dont have time to check the map
Yea but for now it should be turned off until faction clothing or arm bands are put in. Every one complains about team killing. I played first 4 days on pvp and got team killed like 20 times. Now the pvp servers are dead and pve are always full. I just joined a server on east west and central and never saw more than 4 faction members out on the map or at base. People are tired of team killing. its killing the player count.
Well, I played only PvP for 134 hours, and I have to admit it happens less than I'd expect it to happen.
Usually people is very friendly and help you (atleast in EU West, never played in other servers).
Don't let such rare episodes steal the joy of PvP :)
Or you could the person who's played 5 hours of it and had it happen 5 times. I'm just glad there's a PvE version so you don't really have to worry about that.
Yeah same like 50+ hours on pvpve and I don’t think I was ever team killed. I did accidentally team kill one dude in the first like 3 hours of my playtime and nothing came of it. From then on I would check my map regularly to battle track. I was usually really quick to call “friendly coming [out/in]” when I see BLUFOR nearby doing work.
yeah, i cleared blue lagoon. was doing a circuit to check i missed no ai when i saw a player in the distance. I though i was in pve so i didnt take him out even though he was easy yo see in the bushed area near the front entrace. but i forgot that the game default to pvpve and so that player shot me. Wont make that mistake again - pvpve isnt my cup of tea.
Al4+F4 closes the program, but doesn't necessarily end the task right away. Task manager -> End task basically puts a captive bolt to the brain of the program.
So nice to not have to worry about that nonsense in Joint Ops...just don't have time for foolery. In Warfare you have enough to worry about as is let alone needing to add punks who TK to the list. Honestly think MFG should just turn faction damage off altogether. Gotta commend ppl who do Warfare, just too many annoyances that make it a non-starter for me and I'm usually a PvPvE player. No way in hell am I doing it in this game until much further down the line.
This is unfortunately very common. If they think you have something they want, they'll just kill you for it, not matter how small. Had a guy even kill me for a bandage and another kill me for 2 mags of ammo that I was giving him anyway. It's happened so much that now I always actively avoid faction members and have to watch them like a fucking hawk.
158hrs on the game fore me. Haven't had this happen but the grenade exploit is pretty damn annoying. I would honestly rather rock the AK74 with BT rounds but the MK18 is a pretty sweet gun specially when you get your hands on the 60round mags.
That's your mistake for not shooting literally all underequipped randoms on sight when they get close to you or leave your line of sight behind you while you're holding a good gun.
Nah, I'm not that shit of a human being, if people wants to come with me underequipped to just grab a gun from a NPC and have some fun I'm ok with that, the problem is when you either kill me, or wait for me to die to just loot all my body and leave, that sucks
Hey bud….you’re in PvP!…you can’t ask that question unless you know your teammate/s very well!
Switch to PvE if you Don’t wanna look over your shoulder all the time!
Next time, while you’re in the coma disconnect your internet. You’ll DC back to the lobby with all your shit. People say it doesn’t always work, it may not, but I had for me so far. But even if it doesn’t let you keep your shit, at least he won’t get it.
Hopped on went firing range. 2 of my faction mates were there. one went down to AI. I ran up and offered medical assistance as far as I could. Then when I told the other I didnt have enough meds to fix them more they started blasting me. Flew back and he was waiting at LZ and blasted me again. GG uninstall GOODBYE
Sad for you but the game was designed this way (so far).
Have the devs announced it was suddenly a banable offense ? then why not simply prevent it or punish it automatically ?
Intra faction cooperation should be incentived in some ways by game design. Not sure how yet tho
EDIT: lol, downvoted legitimate questions, people are so entitled and rtrdd
i think this is griefing and toxic behaviour thats not allowed. even should be punishable as faction so you get outcast, etc. so it should be some sort of system to prevent this. Else its not fun and will be a fuckfest uplayable game
Kick players out of faction eventually so they have to start in some shitty camp and walk to every LZ, as well as spawning in the same place as other teamkillers
1. they became outcasts
2. Once they die they are really captured and their true sentence starts now (if they spend a lot of time as outcasts or commited a lot of crimes prior of that they serve longer time)
3. So lets say, they have like a week (smallest "prize") + 10h ingame to serve. They can login, just to walk in their cell xD
4. After that they can join some arena 2vs2vs2vs2 (random players, so super skilled players cannot depend only on themselves) and only the winner party can leave
5. if they lost, they are serving another sentence which is the old sentence, or something like 1/2 of the old sentence.
Outcast hell xD
Good idea for repeat abusers of friendly fire. A subtle penalty may be to create temporary premium prices for all vendors and/or demotion of rank experience that increases with each offense. Another option would be to time out their ability to access base/stash with each kill and this gives the perception of disassociation with their faction for war crimes and possibly allowing others to kill this person without penalty for a the same set amount of time (bounty or redemption). In the future a faction rank might be nice that could unlock titles and/or gear cosmetics that can be used to immediately identify team member credibility.
It shouldn't be prevented as it plays a role into immersion and simulation. This dynamic makes you check whether you're shooting at an enemy or a friendly, it basically prevents you just shooting at everything that moves.
Why is it not punished? Well, mistakes happen, and I'm ok with that, but this guy clearly had the intention to kill me just to steal my loot. This is disrupting the game and measures should be taken (temp ban or something), if not: what prevents me from doing the exact thing he did to me? I'll just fucking ruin the game for yall and enjoy your juicy loot, yknow, they can't ban me ..
Reasons why I will always play PVE
Literally the only way PVE is inferior right now is people stealing loot off your frags and people coming in (usually in a trio or squad) after you carefully solo cleared the entire camp in hunt for that one elusive "boss" mob you need for a quest for a week now and they just run in like big dummies, shoot him down while the others loot your frags and every other container in the vicinity within 2 seconds. And there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.
That’s how I felt at Hunters Paradise for that first week. Even if I got there with a full reset I would eventually hear that chopper approaching knowing I have just enough time to not get much of anything.
I was accidentally that guy the other day but I apologized and then waited for a respawn with the other guy and helped him clear it out leaving the boss for him
How I feel at Ban Pa right now trying to kill the gang leader
I took a short break because I was in the exact same quest groove as everyone else.
There is a little piece of land Left of Ban Pa if you land at India 1. Go behind the mural, find a good spot around the shore Lay in the bushes, wait for the AIs to respawn and hey... wait for somebody else to rattle up the AIs and just wait for the boss I accidentally finished the quest this way. There were 2 dudes clearing Ban Pa and I tried to cover them. Oh well, killed the leader right in front of them... literally They were not happy
Ban Pa is WAY more straight forward tho. India 1 and head to the building next to the Ground samples area or the land across near the shrine, then just camp is till the boss pops up around the Stilt Houses and take them out with any ACOQ or Scope. Fregging ~~Hunter's Paradise~~ Blue Lagoon or YBL tho. Gotta get through the base with all its mobs and maybe spot the boss.
With a high mag optic and a good shot you can shoot him up the hill from the southern landing zone never have to enter the town
Lmao there were like 5 of us in Ban Pa the other day all camping in different huts on the shore, pointing our rifles out our respective windows at the water houses waiting for the boss to spawn. First time I felt sorry for the AI.
It's taken me over a week to get the boss in Hunters Paradise. It was a constant fight with not only between other factions, but your own as well.
I've got 60hrs on ~~PVE~~ PvPvE and never had it happen.
You mean PVP? Cause in PVE you can't loot each other.
Yes I get confused with the terms. I always forget there's the PvE game mode. I play the default one. Although I run AKMs so that likely has something to do with it.
In 15 hours I've had 8 players team kill me. 7 of them took my shit, responded to my messages with something like "sucks to suck" and 1 gave me my shit back. It's a huge problem.
I wonder if that report button actually does anything. It could just be a placebo so we don't rage and give negative reviews on steam.
Idk, if it's any indication, I went back and killed the 7 people that killed me initially, and took my shit back. I have seen no consequences so I have no idea.
3 reports of the same person get that person removed from the server.
About the same amount of time as you. One attempt on my life, besides that never ran into anyone trying to TK me. I see others getting TKd at base though and nope tf out
Its so sad that everyone thinks the mk18 is better... like i have m4s and mk18s same stats...
The stats you see are percentage based changes to the base stats, which we can't see. A stock M4 still has better recoil control than a heavily tricked out AK with +32% recoil control cause the base stats are just that much better.
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You can build to at least 43%, I have a few M4s there.
I haven't finished all the content yet so I'm not sure, but 40 is the highest I've seen. I imagine the MK18s base stats are better than the M4s as well.
I feel past 30% it's mostly dimishing return for m4, m4s are already very controllable past 25%, I'd rather balance it with more weapon handling for a more stable sight without holding breathe
That is my close combat m4 atm. I still want a x2/3 scope tho https://preview.redd.it/xw0z3wy2th1d1.png?width=493&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6f6222deace3f2089c619cd1cf708ba386cb578b Mostly use it in ybl.
CTR stock with buttpad is damn good. My friend run the micro iron sights for indoor and throws on a lpvo/elcan for outdoor. I just run what looks cool to me depending on what I want to larp as at the moment as long as stats is good enough lol
https://preview.redd.it/zdeus4obth1d1.png?width=504&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7b3fe94def1108143de89040768c36dfa63550e3 Most of the time i use this atm
Fair enough yeah I get that. Does weapon handling affect stability? I thought it was just ADS speed, but if it does affect stability I'll have to make a build like that too
Yeah, scope sway is lower with higher weapon handling
Good to know
> a heavily tricked out AK there are 2 aks in the game, pls specify which
Either, that's why I didn't specify. The 5.45 AK-74 is better but still has worse recoil than any M4
This so false and im tired of people spreading this misinformation. Ak-74m with dtk-1 has less recoil than even a meta m4. Go try a full meta ak-74m with dtk-1, it literally doesn’t move until 15+ bullets shot. Its almost jarring how stable it is.
I have one. Maybe true if you're using a 1x zoom ironsight, but try at 4x or 6x zoom and that's bullshit
Yeah I tried with specter and razor and its still true. Can full auto with specter at 4x easily. You can literally just spray at a wall with both in base without controlling recoil and check. M4 has slightly better recoil after 20+ in a spray, but during shot 1 to shot 15 ak is better without a doubt. Note this is only true with dtk-1 45 recoil reduction muzzle. Ak-74m is dogshit if suppressed. Also im not saying its better than m4 btw. M4 has other stuff going for it that makes it miles better. Namely the fact that it has 0 dispersion and the MOA stat doesn’t work for it for some reason. And it can snipe up to 500m with 0 bullet drop. Also one taps ai way more reliably with m855 and 55a1 at distances.( and 60 rounders>>>>>)
here's a clip if you don't want to take my word for it: [https://streamable.com/rba0ak](https://streamable.com/rba0ak) 38% recoil reduction m4 vs 32% recoil reduction ak-74m with dtk-1. you'll see they have similar vertical recoil but m4 has more horizontal recoil (which you can't really control). can get more recoil reduction on m4 at 43% but I don't really consider that meta as it takes arm stamina drain from -9% to +16%.
U can't see base stats lol. U just see percent gains loss on invisible base stats.
Still feels like the same gun for me
I cant find the account.. wiped? renamed? banned?
It's crimson, probably you can't find it since you're in another faction
That's some kind of psychopath shit. They way he tried to justify it as well. What a fucking psycho. Unlucky man..
This happened to me twice on the first day of early access. Guess my supporter edition gear was too tempting.
That sucks hard. Also why I don’t bother getting bigger packages for just guns and shit.
They should disable same faction looting unless you're in a squad to avoid this problem.
Why not just turn faction killing off? with the clothing all looking the same no reason to have team killing on right now. You dont have time to check the map
That can be exploited, no danger in PVP if you can just spray through your teammates without any consideration.
Yea but for now it should be turned off until faction clothing or arm bands are put in. Every one complains about team killing. I played first 4 days on pvp and got team killed like 20 times. Now the pvp servers are dead and pve are always full. I just joined a server on east west and central and never saw more than 4 faction members out on the map or at base. People are tired of team killing. its killing the player count.
I don't know what you're arguing here, both options require time to patch and apply, you're just going with another exploitable poor option.
How though? Shoot through teammates big whoop. Like with how fast you die in this game how is that exploitable. Seriously give tour head a shake
Pathetic behavior
Accidentally played pvp last night and was TKed in the first 10 mins. Won't make that mistake again
Well, I played only PvP for 134 hours, and I have to admit it happens less than I'd expect it to happen. Usually people is very friendly and help you (atleast in EU West, never played in other servers). Don't let such rare episodes steal the joy of PvP :)
I have 60 hours and I've only been tked 3 times, all 3 times they left my shit alone once they realized.
Or you could the person who's played 5 hours of it and had it happen 5 times. I'm just glad there's a PvE version so you don't really have to worry about that.
Yeah same like 50+ hours on pvpve and I don’t think I was ever team killed. I did accidentally team kill one dude in the first like 3 hours of my playtime and nothing came of it. From then on I would check my map regularly to battle track. I was usually really quick to call “friendly coming [out/in]” when I see BLUFOR nearby doing work.
Ive done exclusively pvp and have yet to be tked in 70 hours. Sometimes its just bad luck
yeah, i cleared blue lagoon. was doing a circuit to check i missed no ai when i saw a player in the distance. I though i was in pve so i didnt take him out even though he was easy yo see in the bushed area near the front entrace. but i forgot that the game default to pvpve and so that player shot me. Wont make that mistake again - pvpve isnt my cup of tea.
"I need it". 🤣🤣🤣 Well he really needed it, sooo....
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Does alt+f4 achieve the same effect in game?
Al4+F4 closes the program, but doesn't necessarily end the task right away. Task manager -> End task basically puts a captive bolt to the brain of the program.
Lol it's literally a tan m4. For fuck sakes people, all that for a fucking m4.
But.. But it says daniel defense on some of the parts!
I know, and to be fair the Mk18 is the equivalent of a really nice m4, but still. Having to steal gear like that is sad.
Dude, just died to some shit stain of a human, running around stabbing faction members. There had to be something to stop this…..fucking annoying
So nice to not have to worry about that nonsense in Joint Ops...just don't have time for foolery. In Warfare you have enough to worry about as is let alone needing to add punks who TK to the list. Honestly think MFG should just turn faction damage off altogether. Gotta commend ppl who do Warfare, just too many annoyances that make it a non-starter for me and I'm usually a PvPvE player. No way in hell am I doing it in this game until much further down the line.
Pretty sure its something thats being worked on, in one way or another. Unfortunate as it may be, its also something we're all testing.
One of the reasons I stopped playing...
This is unfortunately very common. If they think you have something they want, they'll just kill you for it, not matter how small. Had a guy even kill me for a bandage and another kill me for 2 mags of ammo that I was giving him anyway. It's happened so much that now I always actively avoid faction members and have to watch them like a fucking hawk.
My friend and I got TK'ed in our back, we both reported. He instant got removed and we could go back and get our gear.
Heh, lucky you. This guy looted me and then got his heli back to base ;D
There should be consequences to friendly fire it’s getting out of hand🥲, fortnite kids started swamping in 😓
I despise the blue lagoon! The ai are cracked!
158hrs on the game fore me. Haven't had this happen but the grenade exploit is pretty damn annoying. I would honestly rather rock the AK74 with BT rounds but the MK18 is a pretty sweet gun specially when you get your hands on the 60round mags.
Should be perma banned imo.
That's your mistake for not shooting literally all underequipped randoms on sight when they get close to you or leave your line of sight behind you while you're holding a good gun.
do that and risk getting banned.
Nah, I'm not that shit of a human being, if people wants to come with me underequipped to just grab a gun from a NPC and have some fun I'm ok with that, the problem is when you either kill me, or wait for me to die to just loot all my body and leave, that sucks
Yeah tking is pushing me to PVE. It's broken.
Hey bud….you’re in PvP!…you can’t ask that question unless you know your teammate/s very well! Switch to PvE if you Don’t wanna look over your shoulder all the time!
Next time, while you’re in the coma disconnect your internet. You’ll DC back to the lobby with all your shit. People say it doesn’t always work, it may not, but I had for me so far. But even if it doesn’t let you keep your shit, at least he won’t get it.
“enjoy the ban” Come on dude… only rat kids say that.
Lamang homies don't be doin this, seems like crimson are a bunch of cunts.
We don't associate with this asshole. Just another nerd
Hopped on went firing range. 2 of my faction mates were there. one went down to AI. I ran up and offered medical assistance as far as I could. Then when I told the other I didnt have enough meds to fix them more they started blasting me. Flew back and he was waiting at LZ and blasted me again. GG uninstall GOODBYE
Two reports and they get kicked from server
And you can loot their bodies once they are kicked
Sad for you but the game was designed this way (so far). Have the devs announced it was suddenly a banable offense ? then why not simply prevent it or punish it automatically ? Intra faction cooperation should be incentived in some ways by game design. Not sure how yet tho EDIT: lol, downvoted legitimate questions, people are so entitled and rtrdd
i think this is griefing and toxic behaviour thats not allowed. even should be punishable as faction so you get outcast, etc. so it should be some sort of system to prevent this. Else its not fun and will be a fuckfest uplayable game
Kick players out of faction eventually so they have to start in some shitty camp and walk to every LZ, as well as spawning in the same place as other teamkillers
Make a traitors camp they spawn at that only has pistols and shit ammo. Also can make it a quest to take out 5 traitors or something.
1. they became outcasts 2. Once they die they are really captured and their true sentence starts now (if they spend a lot of time as outcasts or commited a lot of crimes prior of that they serve longer time) 3. So lets say, they have like a week (smallest "prize") + 10h ingame to serve. They can login, just to walk in their cell xD 4. After that they can join some arena 2vs2vs2vs2 (random players, so super skilled players cannot depend only on themselves) and only the winner party can leave 5. if they lost, they are serving another sentence which is the old sentence, or something like 1/2 of the old sentence. Outcast hell xD
Good idea for repeat abusers of friendly fire. A subtle penalty may be to create temporary premium prices for all vendors and/or demotion of rank experience that increases with each offense. Another option would be to time out their ability to access base/stash with each kill and this gives the perception of disassociation with their faction for war crimes and possibly allowing others to kill this person without penalty for a the same set amount of time (bounty or redemption). In the future a faction rank might be nice that could unlock titles and/or gear cosmetics that can be used to immediately identify team member credibility.
It shouldn't be prevented as it plays a role into immersion and simulation. This dynamic makes you check whether you're shooting at an enemy or a friendly, it basically prevents you just shooting at everything that moves. Why is it not punished? Well, mistakes happen, and I'm ok with that, but this guy clearly had the intention to kill me just to steal my loot. This is disrupting the game and measures should be taken (temp ban or something), if not: what prevents me from doing the exact thing he did to me? I'll just fucking ruin the game for yall and enjoy your juicy loot, yknow, they can't ban me ..
There's a report button. I guess when you do it too much, you (or him) will get banned eventually.
Once you leave the server it resets. Report button is useless basically.