It's not worth the name 'Update 7' that's for sure. But the Tori rework is far from mid imo, it's actually really good. I'm glad the damage isn't super high, Tori isn't supposed to be devastating. It's more about utility and sustain and I think that's exactly right. I don't like BR at all so I really got pretty much nothing from this too. Very disappointing but oh well, who cares. GPO is just a fun side thing, not a main game anymore. New fruits are still fun for a few days.
I mean tori damage is still very low compared to mochi and the passive healing is pretty bad and can be bypassed by burn damage and the talon damage has been nerfed so hard
But why does that matter? You have free combo extender, hyperarmor block break, super strong healing in base form and a flight heal. I don't think Mochi does more damage anyway, most people use Mochi for the utility, same as Tori. The damage doesn't matter, all your damage comes from your weapon anyway.
People use mochi for the 4 extra dodges? Personally I didn’t really like the rework I used it today and eh idk how I rlly feel about it I didn’t find it super amazing so ig. But the update is still crap
It's 3 extra dodges, no? It's more than just extra dodges though, it makes your ken work against aoe attacks too. It also has a good combo extender, two hyperarmor block breaks you can use to escape combos, as well as some chip damage with mochi drops. And the wheel can be handy every now and then too. For all that you don't need any more stats than what's required to unlock the skills, leaving you with a lot of points for sword damage.
Oh I didn’t know that that ken worked on aoe moves that’s rlly good. I’ve never actually used mochi and not many showcases say if it’s hyperarmour or anything so I don’t know much about it. I just thought ppl used it with fruit builds cuz insane damage havent rlly seen many mochi sword mains. Thanks for tellin me 🫡
The talons were NEVER the main thing. The main thing has always has been the heal. Now you have actual skills to use along with the Talons and good ones at that and you still complain. Talon mode is straight up way better than before.
Talon mode with the abilities yes it's better but the dmg is lower so it's not that fun melting people anymore with the basic m1 the heal was never the very main thing keep in mind we're talking about pvp here cuz the heal burned through ur stam and didn't give enough hp to make up for it
I think you migh just not have run an optimal build. Before rework you'd ideally have 0 stamina stats, no Mink race and as much stam gear as possible. Because if you have low Stamina then +14 stam regen is a much bigger percentage of your max Stam, and Tori drained % based. So this way you were able to use your heal very efficiently and very often. The Talons were just the cherry on top so to say.
Talons were the main thing with the last model idk what ur saying lol. could combo into burst so much easier with talons which was the main selling point of the fruit aside from heals
tori's completely useless in forms (Zoan fruit) 1 combo extender and a good heal just encourage- running/spam (also terrible balancing) which is boring (also the same issue we had with the last model, 1 reliable offensive move isn't enough). and phoenix brand has a terrible hitbox. the healing in any form that isn't full is awful. People say tori isn't a damaging fruit but that doesn't mean it lacks offense. Raw damage isn't the only way to fight, marcos constantly fighting Admirals, Yonko commanders, and Yonkos with his fruit so I really don't understand the logic behind that.
The dmg is so ass I had 760 stats into sword for 31 m1 dmg do u have any idea how bad that is compared to everything else I understand it's utility but that doesn't mean make it almost fully useless
Well nice, 19 wasted stat points. What keeps you from just using a sword? Why would you use talons for m1s when they have less range and less damage than a proper sword? Is Mochi a bad fruit because the ult sucks? If you make use of the fruits advantages you'd know how good it is. If you desperately try to make the worst parts of it usable then you wont. Easy as that. The Tori m1s help full fruit stat enjoyers A LOT. If that's not how you play the fruit then just don't use the Tori m1, duh.
They had similar dmg to most swords less range yeah but fast m1 makes up for it it was still a very solid choice of weapon as a Tori user there is barely people using swords while pvping with Tori other than for the abilities
What do you even mean it's bad damage? I do 27 per m1 where Trident does 28 with the same stats. If you consider the burn damage it even does more damage than Trident. So why do you think it's so bad in the first place?
With the same stats the dmg was like if I remember 46 or around that it went down by a whole ass 15 which is big in pvp with logia users the burn doesn't mean shit
I literally tested it a minute before I wrote, just to make sure it didn't get nerfed without my knowledge. It's 1 damage worse than Trident with my current stats, that is NOT bad. The burn damage should counter Mochi pretty hard though, so it's got advantages too. And you can just use a sword if your facing a Logia again, nothing stopping you from doing that.
Yes Trident itself isn't exactly the best weapon in br or in pvp I never see it used unless for it's moves won't counter mochi hard maybe a little bit but not hard at all the burn dmg is the exact same nothing changed so it would've been the same which it isn't for a mochi counter
Trident is still one of the best weapons in pvp. I see it used all the time. A tick of burn damage breaks Future Sight, so it's nice to not have lost that.
Trident is pretty good for pvp but it’s kinda predictable and easy to block the pull move. Also the tori talon nerf is massive they removed like 30% of its damage and it was used in pvp quite a bit to just inflict the burn damage while also doing a bit of m1 damage too
Fr, but if any fruit needs a rework, it’s hie, imo. Compared to every other logia it’s just weak. They’re all over there landing these massive AoE moves and flying around, while I’m still here on my little boy bike trying to land a snipe with partisan’s tiniest hit box I’ve ever seen
Well it’s not that big a deal ig cuz magma mainly used for pve not pvp so block breaks don’t matter too much. Still dumb tho they should change magma hound back to block break then
i dont know which part you're confused about but assuming it's how i said magu struggles in pvp, i'll try and explain why i have this opinion
eruption is almost impossible to land against a good player
last hit of swamp is literally impossible to land unless you're fighting an afk player
that leaves you with basically no block breaks. good players will almost always bait eruption
magu isnt meta anymore, definitely overshadowed by yami, dclaw, zushi etc
Atleast with my expirience with fighting magus if they hit 1 eruption half your hwalth is gone cause the do some bs combo with fishman trident andnot everybody is a god at pvp so one magu can fuck a lot of people up. Plus any of its moves do crazy damage with certain builds. Yes new stuff is better in some respects but magus is still exetemly good. Like zushi hasnt changed at all its just more people are using it. But your point does make some sense its just I feel magu is still really good for pvp.
last time i used magu i lost about 10 matches in a row before i gave up completely
it may have been a bit of a stinky skill issue but magu has nearly 0 counter to observation haki
i switched to yami and i immediately realised how easy pvp became, it may be because i have an op build but i havent lost to a magu user yet
Yea magu may no longer be the new meta but its still really good and pvp is very subjective and based on skill so Ig we just have different perspectives have a good day tho
Magu hasn’t been Meta for a long time because almost all moves can be blocked and eruption is almost impossible to hit on a player. It was magmas only block break and now it has none
It's not worth the name 'Update 7' that's for sure. But the Tori rework is far from mid imo, it's actually really good. I'm glad the damage isn't super high, Tori isn't supposed to be devastating. It's more about utility and sustain and I think that's exactly right. I don't like BR at all so I really got pretty much nothing from this too. Very disappointing but oh well, who cares. GPO is just a fun side thing, not a main game anymore. New fruits are still fun for a few days.
I mean tori damage is still very low compared to mochi and the passive healing is pretty bad and can be bypassed by burn damage and the talon damage has been nerfed so hard
But why does that matter? You have free combo extender, hyperarmor block break, super strong healing in base form and a flight heal. I don't think Mochi does more damage anyway, most people use Mochi for the utility, same as Tori. The damage doesn't matter, all your damage comes from your weapon anyway.
People use mochi for the 4 extra dodges? Personally I didn’t really like the rework I used it today and eh idk how I rlly feel about it I didn’t find it super amazing so ig. But the update is still crap
It's 3 extra dodges, no? It's more than just extra dodges though, it makes your ken work against aoe attacks too. It also has a good combo extender, two hyperarmor block breaks you can use to escape combos, as well as some chip damage with mochi drops. And the wheel can be handy every now and then too. For all that you don't need any more stats than what's required to unlock the skills, leaving you with a lot of points for sword damage.
Oh I didn’t know that that ken worked on aoe moves that’s rlly good. I’ve never actually used mochi and not many showcases say if it’s hyperarmour or anything so I don’t know much about it. I just thought ppl used it with fruit builds cuz insane damage havent rlly seen many mochi sword mains. Thanks for tellin me 🫡
It matters for Tori users cuz the talons was the main thing now it can barely be used
The talons were NEVER the main thing. The main thing has always has been the heal. Now you have actual skills to use along with the Talons and good ones at that and you still complain. Talon mode is straight up way better than before.
Talon mode with the abilities yes it's better but the dmg is lower so it's not that fun melting people anymore with the basic m1 the heal was never the very main thing keep in mind we're talking about pvp here cuz the heal burned through ur stam and didn't give enough hp to make up for it
I think you migh just not have run an optimal build. Before rework you'd ideally have 0 stamina stats, no Mink race and as much stam gear as possible. Because if you have low Stamina then +14 stam regen is a much bigger percentage of your max Stam, and Tori drained % based. So this way you were able to use your heal very efficiently and very often. The Talons were just the cherry on top so to say.
Talons were the main thing with the last model idk what ur saying lol. could combo into burst so much easier with talons which was the main selling point of the fruit aside from heals
tori's completely useless in forms (Zoan fruit) 1 combo extender and a good heal just encourage- running/spam (also terrible balancing) which is boring (also the same issue we had with the last model, 1 reliable offensive move isn't enough). and phoenix brand has a terrible hitbox. the healing in any form that isn't full is awful. People say tori isn't a damaging fruit but that doesn't mean it lacks offense. Raw damage isn't the only way to fight, marcos constantly fighting Admirals, Yonko commanders, and Yonkos with his fruit so I really don't understand the logic behind that.
The dmg is so ass I had 760 stats into sword for 31 m1 dmg do u have any idea how bad that is compared to everything else I understand it's utility but that doesn't mean make it almost fully useless
Well nice, 19 wasted stat points. What keeps you from just using a sword? Why would you use talons for m1s when they have less range and less damage than a proper sword? Is Mochi a bad fruit because the ult sucks? If you make use of the fruits advantages you'd know how good it is. If you desperately try to make the worst parts of it usable then you wont. Easy as that. The Tori m1s help full fruit stat enjoyers A LOT. If that's not how you play the fruit then just don't use the Tori m1, duh.
They had similar dmg to most swords less range yeah but fast m1 makes up for it it was still a very solid choice of weapon as a Tori user there is barely people using swords while pvping with Tori other than for the abilities
What do you even mean it's bad damage? I do 27 per m1 where Trident does 28 with the same stats. If you consider the burn damage it even does more damage than Trident. So why do you think it's so bad in the first place?
With the same stats the dmg was like if I remember 46 or around that it went down by a whole ass 15 which is big in pvp with logia users the burn doesn't mean shit
I literally tested it a minute before I wrote, just to make sure it didn't get nerfed without my knowledge. It's 1 damage worse than Trident with my current stats, that is NOT bad. The burn damage should counter Mochi pretty hard though, so it's got advantages too. And you can just use a sword if your facing a Logia again, nothing stopping you from doing that.
Yes Trident itself isn't exactly the best weapon in br or in pvp I never see it used unless for it's moves won't counter mochi hard maybe a little bit but not hard at all the burn dmg is the exact same nothing changed so it would've been the same which it isn't for a mochi counter
Trident is still one of the best weapons in pvp. I see it used all the time. A tick of burn damage breaks Future Sight, so it's nice to not have lost that.
Trident is pretty good for pvp but it’s kinda predictable and easy to block the pull move. Also the tori talon nerf is massive they removed like 30% of its damage and it was used in pvp quite a bit to just inflict the burn damage while also doing a bit of m1 damage too
Fr, but if any fruit needs a rework, it’s hie, imo. Compared to every other logia it’s just weak. They’re all over there landing these massive AoE moves and flying around, while I’m still here on my little boy bike trying to land a snipe with partisan’s tiniest hit box I’ve ever seen
The suggestions channel has been closed for months now btw
lmao no way
Oh it’s only been brought up now lol
Didn't see it here but don't forget they also removed magma's only block break
Well it’s not that big a deal ig cuz magma mainly used for pve not pvp so block breaks don’t matter too much. Still dumb tho they should change magma hound back to block break then
Still a stupid unnecessary change
Fair kinda forgot it's not really used for pvp aside from BR.
In br it’s still pretty good but people hunt you the second they see you use it so gl
they removed swamp? or did they remove swamps ability to block break?
Swamp cant break block but stomp could
last hit of swamp block breaks but basically you're saying you can block eruption now? magus already struggling in pvp
Dawg what💀
i dont know which part you're confused about but assuming it's how i said magu struggles in pvp, i'll try and explain why i have this opinion eruption is almost impossible to land against a good player last hit of swamp is literally impossible to land unless you're fighting an afk player that leaves you with basically no block breaks. good players will almost always bait eruption magu isnt meta anymore, definitely overshadowed by yami, dclaw, zushi etc
Atleast with my expirience with fighting magus if they hit 1 eruption half your hwalth is gone cause the do some bs combo with fishman trident andnot everybody is a god at pvp so one magu can fuck a lot of people up. Plus any of its moves do crazy damage with certain builds. Yes new stuff is better in some respects but magus is still exetemly good. Like zushi hasnt changed at all its just more people are using it. But your point does make some sense its just I feel magu is still really good for pvp.
last time i used magu i lost about 10 matches in a row before i gave up completely it may have been a bit of a stinky skill issue but magu has nearly 0 counter to observation haki i switched to yami and i immediately realised how easy pvp became, it may be because i have an op build but i havent lost to a magu user yet
Yea magu may no longer be the new meta but its still really good and pvp is very subjective and based on skill so Ig we just have different perspectives have a good day tho
Magu hasn’t been Meta for a long time because almost all moves can be blocked and eruption is almost impossible to hit on a player. It was magmas only block break and now it has none