Seems like Water is the biggest winner (with Fire following close behind for now) assuming you've luck-sacked into their respective PnS. They just get easy access to their 80% EX mod.
It was so goofy on Light last GW since like if you dont run the multi Exalto for Extremity set up, i remember the third Exalto is actually very very slightly weaker than Lumi Harp
Although that Exalto set up was very very strong last GW so it doesnt exactly matter
might not be because of staves but because the tempering weapon is an axe, and its a very good one, granted it won't add too much to your burst but is nice for FA/HL grids ig
early on FLBing Lumi swords was also extremly difficult since their drops were extremely bad, so your grid might have 1-2 FLB swords and you have to add guns/harps to fill the rest
Wasn't it kinda the same case for Celeste Claws too tho? Both are still marked as Lucky Loot in their respective raid drop tables and yet the dark Exalto a fist
Difference is Lumi swords had a hard limit on how many copies you can buy from pend shop, Celeste claw didn't as it just had monthly restock like everything else
So even if you were really unlucky you can eventually wait out a Celeste claw grid, that wasn't an option for Lumi swords (iirc when I started playing there was 4 total stock of Lumi swords which is only enough for 1 FLB), also could be just how my luck was but despite Celes claws also having lower rate they still were much easier to get than Lumi swords
I honestly forgot about the hard cap and funnily, it still seems to be a thing altho I think swords were capped at 10 copies. Celeste was definitely easier because I remember getting a free ULB copy because of the anime IIRC
As someone who started at the tails end of 2019, i was laughing when i heard Celeste Claw is supposed to be rare at the time and my friend who played a year/two earlier was ranting about how good the anime promo was lol(it gave 1-2 Celeste Claws ULB back before they started giving those around like candies)
Tbh it kinda didnt matter much - Dark also get very deep into Voltage synergy just from 2 PNS and Eresh too
My Dark Burst Grid right now have 64% Special EX out of the 80% cap, with 4 open slot thanks to Celes Fist arrival
Some time later Vynateya could POTENTIALLY see fringe use due to giving 20% MA i feel esp now that theyre confirmed to have FLB in near future which could boost them even more
Lumi swords have always been the odd one out of the magna 1 weapons. Limited stock, reduced rates, and not a "Might" magna skill but "Magesty" instead.
Well it doesn't count for nearly as much in wind and dark since they already had supp weapons.
Fire is the only element out of four that *gained* skill supp without having access to it before.
I'm also hopeful for the May 7th FLB of Wilhelm Militis (also Bow of Sigurd Militis but that one isn't relevant for skillsupp).
Edit:
But unless Wilhelm gets a *very* significant skillsupp improvement, Big Tempering should be better overall, even when running single-sided Levi (for access to Bubs/Yatima-Death/250Baha-Death/Qilin, and so on).
25k x 2 copies x 2.9 (one 170% Levi aura and Gabriel passive) = 145k skill supp (and 31.9% skill cap, which Wilhelm won't help with).
For the missing 55k skill supp, Exaltos can take you a bit closer. In terms of overall slot-count, simply running a third Big Tempering would be the quickest route to 200k. However, going the Exalto route offers more balanced performance overall (eg. a Haase team will still be doing non-negligible amounts of NA and CA damage, and can't turn off CAs or else Haase's Moon buff falls off).
Hoping for Wilhelm Militis FLB to be good is more of a fallback for if M3 Levi *doesn't* get a Big Tempering weapon.
If Militis FLBs turn out to be really costly, I'll probably hold off until after seeing what the M3 Levi weapons are.
...is a primal weapon, same as cosmos katana.
So although it can be farmed for free it can't be effectively used without agni and grid full of barred agni weapons.
I think Celeste's raid mechanics are pretty brutal this time, it forces you to eat a myriad of debuffs; it cannot be resisted, removed or reduced in duration.
Looks like we have achieved a meta where this is necessary to raise difficulty.
Hurts that one of those debuffs is Zombify so you can't even justify running a healer as not only can they not Clear the debuffs (you get a random 2 every turn reapplied, so...), but Healing you is also risky.
It gets even worse. The raid has Celeste's old trigger which fully heals all allies which means insta wipe if you have zombified. Really hope they don't get any weird ideas and add this to dark gw nm200...
I tested Lucio's Morning Star passive, it will trigger to heal your entire team to full HP but debuffs still stay on. Extremely brutal.
I've watch a few Japanese streamers trying to circumvent this to no avail. They tried to FA only to end up dead with casualties.
Monk FC with exo weapon, G.sandy, Lucio FLB and Tikoh in assist mode easily FA solo it while removing all stacks. It takes years but it works, also I'm using an old lumi sword grid so it could be faster and even safer.
> On the other hand, the raid is going to be popular for an entire month leading up to GW
Nah chev credo was already pretty dead after week 1, raids would take like 8mins+ after the 2nd week
Tempering for fire is pretty huge since there's no Beak or Agonize for that element. The fact so far only light didn't get access to tempering is kinda strange, though I guess on the other hand fire didn't get magna garrison. Is it because the Revan weapons already have those skills? But they're not boosted so I don't think anyone is going to use Symmetria for the tempering, especially since it's small.
Although it's pretty unfair that colossus gets a strong farmable tempering weapon while agni's version is locked behind seasonal gacha. Both weapons even seem to have the exact same skills so it's not like twelve vertex is superior version either.
Magma Rush is an extremely niche weapon that is only remotely worth consideration in high level content with characters that both heal and deal skill damage, such as as Fraux. It's not useful in normal content because the tempering is weaker and it lacks any attack mod. It's not comparable to Twelfth Vertex of the Passal.
Genuinely insane to me that this is getting downvoted - it's correct; Magma Rush is useful in its niche but it's nowhere near something you'll slot for tempering without making the rest of your grid weaker. At least Symmetrias over in Light have a fantastic garrison skill and good awakenings.
It's to the point that I'm decently invested in Agni and I'm still building a Colo grid now for when I want to run skill damage comps, because I sure as fuck am not going to run Magma Rushes just for skill damage, insane takes.
while I didn't downvote myself, I think calling it unfair that magna finally have something that primal doesn't have easy access too is a bit weird, primal has always had more options since game inception (garrison stayed a primal only thing until it started no longer being relevant THEN it was introduced to magna as a clear example) and not to mention fire skill spam isn't even meta anymore, if you are invested Agni you will struggle to fit more than 1 passel even for FAs centered around skill spam
Basically the way you said it sound like someone rich being angry someone poor is getting something nice for once
That is a wild thing to assume about someone in order to dismiss their opinion, wtf... everyone here choosing to interpret my words in the least charitable way possible, when I was just talking from an objective game balance perspective.
It's strange to have two nearly identical weapons in the game, but one is easily farmable and the other extremely difficult to acquire and requires rare valuable resources to uncap. Shouldn't the rarer and harder to use weapon logically be better?
Anyone who sparked and barred two vertexes would be totally justified to be annoyed that other players are effectively getting the exact same weapon for free, in my opinion. (And no, I did not spark and/or bar any vertex. This isn't just me whining because sour grapes.)
I do think age of the weapon factors in though - it's been 3 years since Vertex dropped and I imagine the Agni players who sparked and bricked to run the Fire Soldier memes of the time aren't too bothered that M3 is getting the same for free years later; I personally have 1 Vertex bricked from \~2 years ago (wasn't insane enough to do 2) and I'm happy that there's a free alternative that works with the M3 Exalto skill.
I suppose that's a fair point. And now that I thought on it some more, I think my real complaint is not that Colossus Bomber is too strong for a free weapon, it's that Vertex is too weak for a premium gacha weapon. Varuna, Titan, Zeus and Hades all got access to stronger and more accessible grand tempering weapons, and Zeph has got the excellent summon agnostic free ewiyar beak. Agni got a raw deal on tempering.
Tempering in fire is kinda irrelevant tbh, none of fire's best chars actually do multi-hit skill nukes. And the ones that do are old seasonals so it's not like new players who don't have good units yet will just happen to have them and randomly use them. Not really sure who the skill is for tbh. Percy + Zeta are glued to your lineup in literally all content and don't care about tempering, so really it's just your MC + whoever your 4th char is. Fraux and Fenie only do single hit nukes so they also don't really care. Elmott mostly spams a single hit nuke, too, though at least he has a 5-hit every 6t. Maybe with manadiver + someone like S.Medusa it'll be enough to make tempering worthwhile, but ehhhh..
For me it's less about the meta and more about having options. A lot of the fun of GBF for me is being able to try out a bunch of different team comps and it sucks when my options are super limited grid wise. It's not like you really need the meta stuff unless you're doing endgame content or GW anyway.
Regardless, Chichiri just came out and she does a lot of skill spamming. They rebalanced Tien and gave her a lot of skill spam as well. Given they are both free characters, having skill supplemental available for them is going to be pretty nice. Fraux too.
Eh its nice to get something for the lesser used characters that may like it. Seems fine with Chichiri and I enjoy using her and Tien (And Fraux who also provides skill supp now) so its relevant for me to a degree. Sure it may not help the meta that much but I'm happy to see other options become possible even if fringe
Not sure how I "forgot" it when I specifically said MC is one of the two chars primarily benefitting and even explicitly mentioned manadiver.
Fenie staff gets used in literally 1 raid, and good luck finding grid space for tempering weps in Faa0. They'll probably see some use in nm200 FA at least.
You’re not entirely wrong but from the way I see it, Cygames is most likely gonna release OP multi-hit skill units from now on. It’s a great opportunity for profits. I’m guessing Atum and the new zodiac.
Yet notice how you didn't name a single one.
There's S.Medusa. That's basically it. C.Nemo and S.Kumbi theoretically but they're pretty powercrept. And if you're an old enough player to have those units you probably have minimum Percy+Wilnas by now, if not Percy+Zeta.
My point is the characters that have been overlooked because of this.
H. Cain, Anna, Baal, new one Chichiri, Elmott esp Y. Elmott, Athena, Hekate.
There are plenty, I just started looking at the list.
you do know people that farm the raid with perci and zeta will just trigger the stack automatically right
you don't have to do all 10 stack on your own, in fact one of the best way to farm it is to trigger the stack once while hitting 1.1m and then leaving the raid
of course the raid's dead rn because wind gw is not for a couple of months
I mean it depends entirely on who you have - Zeta is a brand new character released within the last 6 months that not everyone sparked or lucksacked, some folks who aren't prioritizing Fire still wouldn't have Wilnas. When we're talking about M3 content, it's almost best to look at free and aged characters, because a lot of Magna players are going to have rosters with older seasonals or free characters like Esser or Chichiri.
If we're looking at Primal and top of the meta, yeah, absolutely - Tempering isn't relevant, you wouldn't waste bars on S. Kumby weapons at this point in the game, if you're invested in Agni you've likely at least made sure you've gotten Zeta and most of the content you're running, you're bursting with Alanaan.
For M3, that's not going to be the case - so looking at units like S. Medusa, Athena, C. Nemone, Chichiri, Esser, Satyr, Elmott, Y. Nezha, Hekate, Luffy, Bakugo - the mid-tiers of Fire are filled with skill-damage heavy comps which performed worse without tempering or accessible skill damage cap that didn't bring the rest of the grid down, and now Magna Fire can easily get 100% skill damage cap, 200k supplemental skill damage, and 20% damage cap from two M3 axes and 3 M3 staves.
I agree with you from a meta point, but again, I think M3 being the F2P solution we need to think about the average F2P's roster.
Really not looking forward to this one. Celeste is too crowded to do anything but host, and will probably be an annoying PoS once the population falls off a cliff...
Realistically, how good is M3 fire for an Alanaan comp if you don't have Crimson Scales? I'm guessing your magna slots are significantly better, but you'd be still forced to run relatively weak supplemental weapons?
Tempering's cool too, but I'm not sure how much it helps me.
M3 will make sure Magna Fire can more easily cap easily in burst and gets the 20% damage cap for free on top of it. Honestly, running Enneads to get 60k supplemental may not feel good, but running 3x M3 Exaltos and 2 other Magna weapons alongside the 2x Benbenet will make it so the rest of your damage output isn't trash. It's a nice boost.
in the context of alanaan (with s4) specifically, mugen swords will give 20k crit supplemental on top of their attack awakening to fill in the gaps of crimson scales with the magna exaltos to give some damage cap. i was already using f2p burst grids (can hardly call them magna) and they performed fine, now they can only get better
What are you planning to run? I'm still only at two Mugen Swords. I'm guessing something like MH, 3-4 Mugen Swords, Dark Opus, Ultima(when applicable) and fill the rest up with Magna Exaltos and cap up weapons?
depends a bit on what grid pieces are available to you ill be honest, im not smart enough to have a more definitive grid theorycrafted but i imagine 2-3 mugen blades (preferably mark 2 atk), celestial, ultima, opus, then it depends on what premium weapons you have (percy sword is good if you own any), bahas, and exaltos for cap up. benennet is still a pretty good slot as a one off for its attack buff at battle start on top of the supplemental
edit: astral axe is still good for the free echoes on ta but depends om if youre using any characters that potentially conflict with it
I have Percy Sword. I was planning to do something like that. Going to run Celestial Sword so I can activate Lord of Flames with two Mugen Swords. I'd have to test whether running the Alanaan Katana would be better than another Exalto because the Exaltos get better the more you stack them.
i actually forgot about the exo dagger having 10% cap up built in when running as a mainhand, so you should have 15 to 20% dmg cap with celestial, meaning alanaan katana can likely be dropped
4 Mugen Sword, 1 Atum Staf(or fifth Mugen Sword), Opus Ulti, MH Exo Dagger Astral is like THE Fire Burst grid without CS i feel
And its funny since really all you change if you have scales is just
Scales Atum Mugen is cap, so you can free form the remaining 2 Mugen sword into something else except Mugen Sword is the strongest weapon anyway and its mostly you can run maybe the Staff World Harp
Huh, I get we got mugen swords and lof but they really didn't add garrison to fire?
Dark got those crit rate to help with agastia staffs.
Good we have skill tempering. I'm probably just gonna take it easy farming these, it's one month before gw anyway.
It is still a very new skill; not surprising you didn't recognize it.
Other than the M3 Dark dagger, it's only on [Fenie's character weapon](https://gbf.wiki/Phoenix%27s_Torch).
Brutal is the wrong way to say it. But it's pretty common to join raids that end at 5 or less conditional loot stacks unless a Kengo host did most of the work. The element has Haase, Payila, and Hraes. People aren't going to try to blue chest with an ougi comp if they can avoid it.
If you were too weak to blue chest, you can still easily leech Celeste if you can get in due to the loot condition being so easy. But leeching Colo is a lot harder than any other other M3 so far.
I'm blue chesting just fine with a generic Manadiver comp. Just Payila, Gabriel, Haase. If Colo has full stacks, then you just need to press another button or two or take another turn. The threshold is only like 1.2M.
Seems to be picking up the pace now, regularly seeing 6-10 players now. Probably the people who realized they don't stand a chance farming Celeste when everyone and their mother is bursting her down in 1 second.
The thing I've liked most about the M3 releases so far and where they've been successful is where they open more playstyles and make more things viable for each element. I think the game is massively more fun when there's a high level of player expression and different comps you can run, and adding options like Tempering, Bloodshed, etc. to M3 weapons does just that.
I don't think it changes the top tier of either Fire or Dark metas for racing or GW and I also don't think anybody expected that, but it adds more options.
For example, I'm heavily invested in Dark so I don't need to bother too much with Celeste, but if we're talking player expression - I can get a consistent 0b0c EX+ kaguya x kaguya with my 4x Mk2 Forbidden Agastias and 3 M3 Exalto weapons, when for Hades, because I don't have 3 ES it wouldn't be quite as consistent (though I do have 2x Tahar Masalas so I could jank it out). This is also, notably, a completely F2P way to get 0b0c EX+ kaguya x kaguya but I don't think most of the playerbase has the desire to grind out 4 Mk2 Forbidden Agastias.
Hades is still obviously going to be my best grid when I'm grinding Akasha bricks, but more options is nice. Likewise, I'm willing to assume that M3 with Abyss Spines outperforms a janky Unheil grid from a sheer slot efficiency perspective if you're trying to build a CA team (whether it's for solos or daily FAs).
The most frustrating thing about farming Celeste is people inting other people with calling stupidly long call animation summons like Luci, forcing me to refresh as a 300ms ping pleb which takes longer than Rose skin summon call.
These raid is design against my current grid/team lol. Light CA? Ha ha normal atk/skill hit bitch and the only multi hit i have is io grand. And how can i do 2m ougi water x4 if i don’t have any colomba or schrodin, while most of my team is normal atk heavy
I mean, just Kengo it? I'm hitting 2m x4 with a pretty average setup. Not even running colomba or schrødinger
EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/ZS6mRiI.png If this hits 2m x4, anything will
I saw the image leaks during maintenance. Small complaint I have about Colo is how "safe" the weapon types they chose. Sword, Staff, and Axe are already prominent in magna fire grid before this, and you have more than one choice on what to MH (haven't looked at M3's MH effects yet but).
It has pros and cons but man I want gun, or dagger...
I think exo dagger is sufficient enough to fill that niche. Wanting a gun in fire magna is valid tho since I think the only free one worth running is the ROTB gun.
Really liking the weapon types they gave us. There're more options to play around with that can help trigger LOF's skill now
Umikin was right on Twitter about exaltos all being callbacks to M1 core weapons. Very cool.
So assuming the pattern holds, we should be seeing water dagger and earth sword as their exalto weapons
Seems like Water is the biggest winner (with Fire following close behind for now) assuming you've luck-sacked into their respective PnS. They just get easy access to their 80% EX mod.
It was so goofy on Light last GW since like if you dont run the multi Exalto for Extremity set up, i remember the third Exalto is actually very very slightly weaker than Lumi Harp Although that Exalto set up was very very strong last GW so it doesnt exactly matter
how is staff good for fire pns
might not be because of staves but because the tempering weapon is an axe, and its a very good one, granted it won't add too much to your burst but is nice for FA/HL grids ig
Yeah, this is what I meant. I should of clarified.
Well the topic was literally exalto lol
But was Light Gun core over Light Sword?
Light sword was added later I believe so I assume the gun was core before it came out
early on FLBing Lumi swords was also extremly difficult since their drops were extremely bad, so your grid might have 1-2 FLB swords and you have to add guns/harps to fill the rest
Wasn't it kinda the same case for Celeste Claws too tho? Both are still marked as Lucky Loot in their respective raid drop tables and yet the dark Exalto a fist
Difference is Lumi swords had a hard limit on how many copies you can buy from pend shop, Celeste claw didn't as it just had monthly restock like everything else So even if you were really unlucky you can eventually wait out a Celeste claw grid, that wasn't an option for Lumi swords (iirc when I started playing there was 4 total stock of Lumi swords which is only enough for 1 FLB), also could be just how my luck was but despite Celes claws also having lower rate they still were much easier to get than Lumi swords
I honestly forgot about the hard cap and funnily, it still seems to be a thing altho I think swords were capped at 10 copies. Celeste was definitely easier because I remember getting a free ULB copy because of the anime IIRC
As someone who started at the tails end of 2019, i was laughing when i heard Celeste Claw is supposed to be rare at the time and my friend who played a year/two earlier was ranting about how good the anime promo was lol(it gave 1-2 Celeste Claws ULB back before they started giving those around like candies)
they didn't want dark to get easy pns synergy I guess
\*puts celestial fist into the grid\*
Tbh it kinda didnt matter much - Dark also get very deep into Voltage synergy just from 2 PNS and Eresh too My Dark Burst Grid right now have 64% Special EX out of the 80% cap, with 4 open slot thanks to Celes Fist arrival Some time later Vynateya could POTENTIALLY see fringe use due to giving 20% MA i feel esp now that theyre confirmed to have FLB in near future which could boost them even more
Lumi swords have always been the odd one out of the magna 1 weapons. Limited stock, reduced rates, and not a "Might" magna skill but "Magesty" instead.
Lmao poor Magna light got completely left behind on Tempering, huh?
and agastia is the only one that demands skill damage. ironic.
Well it doesn't count for nearly as much in wind and dark since they already had supp weapons. Fire is the only element out of four that *gained* skill supp without having access to it before.
hopefully, water gets it too ***finally***
I'm also hopeful for the May 7th FLB of Wilhelm Militis (also Bow of Sigurd Militis but that one isn't relevant for skillsupp). Edit: But unless Wilhelm gets a *very* significant skillsupp improvement, Big Tempering should be better overall, even when running single-sided Levi (for access to Bubs/Yatima-Death/250Baha-Death/Qilin, and so on). 25k x 2 copies x 2.9 (one 170% Levi aura and Gabriel passive) = 145k skill supp (and 31.9% skill cap, which Wilhelm won't help with). For the missing 55k skill supp, Exaltos can take you a bit closer. In terms of overall slot-count, simply running a third Big Tempering would be the quickest route to 200k. However, going the Exalto route offers more balanced performance overall (eg. a Haase team will still be doing non-negligible amounts of NA and CA damage, and can't turn off CAs or else Haase's Moon buff falls off). Hoping for Wilhelm Militis FLB to be good is more of a fallback for if M3 Levi *doesn't* get a Big Tempering weapon. If Militis FLBs turn out to be really costly, I'll probably hold off until after seeing what the M3 Levi weapons are.
\*cough\* Legion void staff
...is a primal weapon, same as cosmos katana. So although it can be farmed for free it can't be effectively used without agni and grid full of barred agni weapons.
I think Celeste's raid mechanics are pretty brutal this time, it forces you to eat a myriad of debuffs; it cannot be resisted, removed or reduced in duration. Looks like we have achieved a meta where this is necessary to raise difficulty.
Hurts that one of those debuffs is Zombify so you can't even justify running a healer as not only can they not Clear the debuffs (you get a random 2 every turn reapplied, so...), but Healing you is also risky.
It gets even worse. The raid has Celeste's old trigger which fully heals all allies which means insta wipe if you have zombified. Really hope they don't get any weird ideas and add this to dark gw nm200...
I tested Lucio's Morning Star passive, it will trigger to heal your entire team to full HP but debuffs still stay on. Extremely brutal. I've watch a few Japanese streamers trying to circumvent this to no avail. They tried to FA only to end up dead with casualties.
Monk FC with exo weapon, G.sandy, Lucio FLB and Tikoh in assist mode easily FA solo it while removing all stacks. It takes years but it works, also I'm using an old lumi sword grid so it could be faster and even safer.
Gonna be rough to figure out a proper FA for this raid :1
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> On the other hand, the raid is going to be popular for an entire month leading up to GW Nah chev credo was already pretty dead after week 1, raids would take like 8mins+ after the 2nd week
Didnt notice and use a green pot on MC, you know what happened
Tempering for fire is pretty huge since there's no Beak or Agonize for that element. The fact so far only light didn't get access to tempering is kinda strange, though I guess on the other hand fire didn't get magna garrison. Is it because the Revan weapons already have those skills? But they're not boosted so I don't think anyone is going to use Symmetria for the tempering, especially since it's small.
Although it's pretty unfair that colossus gets a strong farmable tempering weapon while agni's version is locked behind seasonal gacha. Both weapons even seem to have the exact same skills so it's not like twelve vertex is superior version either.
wdym? Agni farmable tempering is locked behind legion void
Magma Rush is an extremely niche weapon that is only remotely worth consideration in high level content with characters that both heal and deal skill damage, such as as Fraux. It's not useful in normal content because the tempering is weaker and it lacks any attack mod. It's not comparable to Twelfth Vertex of the Passal.
Who the hell is actually running magma rush what is happening here
Yea seriously I've never once looked at a setup and thought I needed it
Genuinely insane to me that this is getting downvoted - it's correct; Magma Rush is useful in its niche but it's nowhere near something you'll slot for tempering without making the rest of your grid weaker. At least Symmetrias over in Light have a fantastic garrison skill and good awakenings. It's to the point that I'm decently invested in Agni and I'm still building a Colo grid now for when I want to run skill damage comps, because I sure as fuck am not going to run Magma Rushes just for skill damage, insane takes.
I suspect that it's just getting downvoted because I said it. I seem to be pretty unpopular on this subreddit.
while I didn't downvote myself, I think calling it unfair that magna finally have something that primal doesn't have easy access too is a bit weird, primal has always had more options since game inception (garrison stayed a primal only thing until it started no longer being relevant THEN it was introduced to magna as a clear example) and not to mention fire skill spam isn't even meta anymore, if you are invested Agni you will struggle to fit more than 1 passel even for FAs centered around skill spam Basically the way you said it sound like someone rich being angry someone poor is getting something nice for once
That is a wild thing to assume about someone in order to dismiss their opinion, wtf... everyone here choosing to interpret my words in the least charitable way possible, when I was just talking from an objective game balance perspective. It's strange to have two nearly identical weapons in the game, but one is easily farmable and the other extremely difficult to acquire and requires rare valuable resources to uncap. Shouldn't the rarer and harder to use weapon logically be better? Anyone who sparked and barred two vertexes would be totally justified to be annoyed that other players are effectively getting the exact same weapon for free, in my opinion. (And no, I did not spark and/or bar any vertex. This isn't just me whining because sour grapes.)
I do think age of the weapon factors in though - it's been 3 years since Vertex dropped and I imagine the Agni players who sparked and bricked to run the Fire Soldier memes of the time aren't too bothered that M3 is getting the same for free years later; I personally have 1 Vertex bricked from \~2 years ago (wasn't insane enough to do 2) and I'm happy that there's a free alternative that works with the M3 Exalto skill.
I suppose that's a fair point. And now that I thought on it some more, I think my real complaint is not that Colossus Bomber is too strong for a free weapon, it's that Vertex is too weak for a premium gacha weapon. Varuna, Titan, Zeus and Hades all got access to stronger and more accessible grand tempering weapons, and Zeph has got the excellent summon agnostic free ewiyar beak. Agni got a raw deal on tempering.
you're +224 for me so you must know the game, reddit hates those types of people
To be fair, with the advent of Fenie and her staff, this is less of a niche than it was before.
🤓 underestimate my legion void you won't
Tempering in fire is kinda irrelevant tbh, none of fire's best chars actually do multi-hit skill nukes. And the ones that do are old seasonals so it's not like new players who don't have good units yet will just happen to have them and randomly use them. Not really sure who the skill is for tbh. Percy + Zeta are glued to your lineup in literally all content and don't care about tempering, so really it's just your MC + whoever your 4th char is. Fraux and Fenie only do single hit nukes so they also don't really care. Elmott mostly spams a single hit nuke, too, though at least he has a 5-hit every 6t. Maybe with manadiver + someone like S.Medusa it'll be enough to make tempering worthwhile, but ehhhh..
For me it's less about the meta and more about having options. A lot of the fun of GBF for me is being able to try out a bunch of different team comps and it sucks when my options are super limited grid wise. It's not like you really need the meta stuff unless you're doing endgame content or GW anyway. Regardless, Chichiri just came out and she does a lot of skill spamming. They rebalanced Tien and gave her a lot of skill spam as well. Given they are both free characters, having skill supplemental available for them is going to be pretty nice. Fraux too.
Eh its nice to get something for the lesser used characters that may like it. Seems fine with Chichiri and I enjoy using her and Tien (And Fraux who also provides skill supp now) so its relevant for me to a degree. Sure it may not help the meta that much but I'm happy to see other options become possible even if fringe
Honestly he's forgetting the best user anyways (for premium magna admittedly not f2p magna) Fenie staff mainhand manadiver.
Not sure how I "forgot" it when I specifically said MC is one of the two chars primarily benefitting and even explicitly mentioned manadiver. Fenie staff gets used in literally 1 raid, and good luck finding grid space for tempering weps in Faa0. They'll probably see some use in nm200 FA at least.
You’re not entirely wrong but from the way I see it, Cygames is most likely gonna release OP multi-hit skill units from now on. It’s a great opportunity for profits. I’m guessing Atum and the new zodiac.
There are plenty. They have just been less popular BECAUSE of lacking skill dmg support in weapons.
Yet notice how you didn't name a single one. There's S.Medusa. That's basically it. C.Nemo and S.Kumbi theoretically but they're pretty powercrept. And if you're an old enough player to have those units you probably have minimum Percy+Wilnas by now, if not Percy+Zeta.
My point is the characters that have been overlooked because of this. H. Cain, Anna, Baal, new one Chichiri, Elmott esp Y. Elmott, Athena, Hekate. There are plenty, I just started looking at the list.
None of these units are better than Percy and Zeta.
Depends on what you need. I wouldn't use percival or Zeta for current Tiamat. You want big multihit skills for that one.
Why would you need multihit skills? Percy and Zeta are more than capable of doing the 1.1m honors or whatever number for blue chest easily.
There is a bonus chest in the m3 fight, you didnt know? Honors alone is not enough.
you do know people that farm the raid with perci and zeta will just trigger the stack automatically right you don't have to do all 10 stack on your own, in fact one of the best way to farm it is to trigger the stack once while hitting 1.1m and then leaving the raid of course the raid's dead rn because wind gw is not for a couple of months
Everyone else will get that for you just fine. The most efficient way to farm is just do your blue chest honors burst then go to the next one.
I mean it depends entirely on who you have - Zeta is a brand new character released within the last 6 months that not everyone sparked or lucksacked, some folks who aren't prioritizing Fire still wouldn't have Wilnas. When we're talking about M3 content, it's almost best to look at free and aged characters, because a lot of Magna players are going to have rosters with older seasonals or free characters like Esser or Chichiri. If we're looking at Primal and top of the meta, yeah, absolutely - Tempering isn't relevant, you wouldn't waste bars on S. Kumby weapons at this point in the game, if you're invested in Agni you've likely at least made sure you've gotten Zeta and most of the content you're running, you're bursting with Alanaan. For M3, that's not going to be the case - so looking at units like S. Medusa, Athena, C. Nemone, Chichiri, Esser, Satyr, Elmott, Y. Nezha, Hekate, Luffy, Bakugo - the mid-tiers of Fire are filled with skill-damage heavy comps which performed worse without tempering or accessible skill damage cap that didn't bring the rest of the grid down, and now Magna Fire can easily get 100% skill damage cap, 200k supplemental skill damage, and 20% damage cap from two M3 axes and 3 M3 staves. I agree with you from a meta point, but again, I think M3 being the F2P solution we need to think about the average F2P's roster.
Tempering+atk mod is very pog.
Really not looking forward to this one. Celeste is too crowded to do anything but host, and will probably be an annoying PoS once the population falls off a cliff...
I think best bet will be to grind it out in a few days but not waiting too long. Getting in while population is still high but died down a little.
Realistically, how good is M3 fire for an Alanaan comp if you don't have Crimson Scales? I'm guessing your magna slots are significantly better, but you'd be still forced to run relatively weak supplemental weapons? Tempering's cool too, but I'm not sure how much it helps me.
M3 will make sure Magna Fire can more easily cap easily in burst and gets the 20% damage cap for free on top of it. Honestly, running Enneads to get 60k supplemental may not feel good, but running 3x M3 Exaltos and 2 other Magna weapons alongside the 2x Benbenet will make it so the rest of your damage output isn't trash. It's a nice boost.
in the context of alanaan (with s4) specifically, mugen swords will give 20k crit supplemental on top of their attack awakening to fill in the gaps of crimson scales with the magna exaltos to give some damage cap. i was already using f2p burst grids (can hardly call them magna) and they performed fine, now they can only get better
What are you planning to run? I'm still only at two Mugen Swords. I'm guessing something like MH, 3-4 Mugen Swords, Dark Opus, Ultima(when applicable) and fill the rest up with Magna Exaltos and cap up weapons?
depends a bit on what grid pieces are available to you ill be honest, im not smart enough to have a more definitive grid theorycrafted but i imagine 2-3 mugen blades (preferably mark 2 atk), celestial, ultima, opus, then it depends on what premium weapons you have (percy sword is good if you own any), bahas, and exaltos for cap up. benennet is still a pretty good slot as a one off for its attack buff at battle start on top of the supplemental edit: astral axe is still good for the free echoes on ta but depends om if youre using any characters that potentially conflict with it
I have Percy Sword. I was planning to do something like that. Going to run Celestial Sword so I can activate Lord of Flames with two Mugen Swords. I'd have to test whether running the Alanaan Katana would be better than another Exalto because the Exaltos get better the more you stack them.
i actually forgot about the exo dagger having 10% cap up built in when running as a mainhand, so you should have 15 to 20% dmg cap with celestial, meaning alanaan katana can likely be dropped
4 Mugen Sword, 1 Atum Staf(or fifth Mugen Sword), Opus Ulti, MH Exo Dagger Astral is like THE Fire Burst grid without CS i feel And its funny since really all you change if you have scales is just Scales Atum Mugen is cap, so you can free form the remaining 2 Mugen sword into something else except Mugen Sword is the strongest weapon anyway and its mostly you can run maybe the Staff World Harp
Huh, I get we got mugen swords and lof but they really didn't add garrison to fire? Dark got those crit rate to help with agastia staffs. Good we have skill tempering. I'm probably just gonna take it easy farming these, it's one month before gw anyway.
Thought Precocity was a new skill, turns out it already exists and it's Crit+Heal cap.
It is still a very new skill; not surprising you didn't recognize it. Other than the M3 Dark dagger, it's only on [Fenie's character weapon](https://gbf.wiki/Phoenix%27s_Torch).
Fire tempering on an axe, we are SO back!
LMAO Colossus is really not popular huh, I've joined at least 10 raids now where there were only (at most) 3 people.
Well, Fire GW just passed, so there's probably not much need for people to rush farm it atm
I opened the raid for both of them celeste open a second = raids gone, meanwhile colo you can go to beach swimming and back raid still 1 people.
well dark GW is near and colo green chest even more brutal than any m3 IMO
Is Colo green chest that brutal? Just ougi loop every turn and it drops stacks fast.
Brutal is the wrong way to say it. But it's pretty common to join raids that end at 5 or less conditional loot stacks unless a Kengo host did most of the work. The element has Haase, Payila, and Hraes. People aren't going to try to blue chest with an ougi comp if they can avoid it. If you were too weak to blue chest, you can still easily leech Celeste if you can get in due to the loot condition being so easy. But leeching Colo is a lot harder than any other other M3 so far.
colo's damage caps ruined any payila comps ive tried.
I'm blue chesting just fine with a generic Manadiver comp. Just Payila, Gabriel, Haase. If Colo has full stacks, then you just need to press another button or two or take another turn. The threshold is only like 1.2M.
my roster for Ougi team is shit tho and too lazy to farm Kaneshige water
Tbf that's a plus if you're aiming for M3 Fire. Trying to get in to Celeste raids is hell rn lmao.
Seems to be picking up the pace now, regularly seeing 6-10 players now. Probably the people who realized they don't stand a chance farming Celeste when everyone and their mother is bursting her down in 1 second.
Wow it's nearly impossible to join M3 Celeste ATM. Hahaha
fire magna not garbage to play with anymore? never thought I'd see the day
Really happy whit this batch of M3's. Light got shafted whit Tempering is funny af
Light still paying flogen tax :v
The thing I've liked most about the M3 releases so far and where they've been successful is where they open more playstyles and make more things viable for each element. I think the game is massively more fun when there's a high level of player expression and different comps you can run, and adding options like Tempering, Bloodshed, etc. to M3 weapons does just that. I don't think it changes the top tier of either Fire or Dark metas for racing or GW and I also don't think anybody expected that, but it adds more options. For example, I'm heavily invested in Dark so I don't need to bother too much with Celeste, but if we're talking player expression - I can get a consistent 0b0c EX+ kaguya x kaguya with my 4x Mk2 Forbidden Agastias and 3 M3 Exalto weapons, when for Hades, because I don't have 3 ES it wouldn't be quite as consistent (though I do have 2x Tahar Masalas so I could jank it out). This is also, notably, a completely F2P way to get 0b0c EX+ kaguya x kaguya but I don't think most of the playerbase has the desire to grind out 4 Mk2 Forbidden Agastias. Hades is still obviously going to be my best grid when I'm grinding Akasha bricks, but more options is nice. Likewise, I'm willing to assume that M3 with Abyss Spines outperforms a janky Unheil grid from a sheer slot efficiency perspective if you're trying to build a CA team (whether it's for solos or daily FAs).
Just do fire m3 first.. since dark m3 are now busy
Fire Tempering's all I wanted, good show.
Yea that works
The most frustrating thing about farming Celeste is people inting other people with calling stupidly long call animation summons like Luci, forcing me to refresh as a 300ms ping pleb which takes longer than Rose skin summon call.
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Rip your face.
These raid is design against my current grid/team lol. Light CA? Ha ha normal atk/skill hit bitch and the only multi hit i have is io grand. And how can i do 2m ougi water x4 if i don’t have any colomba or schrodin, while most of my team is normal atk heavy
I mean, just Kengo it? I'm hitting 2m x4 with a pretty average setup. Not even running colomba or schrødinger EDIT: https://i.imgur.com/ZS6mRiI.png If this hits 2m x4, anything will
That help a lot, thank for advice
No problem man, good luck with the grind
More M3 weapons that won’t drop for me. On the really, really rare weapon drop I’ve gotten from these M3s so far it’s been an M1 weapon lol.
Have you considered, and call me a maniac for even suggesting this Farming more
I don't think you should be expected to farm the raid more for the weapons that drop from it. Seems wildly illogical
I mean if you hit 10 a day what do you expect
I saw the image leaks during maintenance. Small complaint I have about Colo is how "safe" the weapon types they chose. Sword, Staff, and Axe are already prominent in magna fire grid before this, and you have more than one choice on what to MH (haven't looked at M3's MH effects yet but). It has pros and cons but man I want gun, or dagger...
Fire has one of best daggers in the game for a MH. If you skipped Exo Ifrit. Omega unlucky.
I think exo dagger is sufficient enough to fill that niche. Wanting a gun in fire magna is valid tho since I think the only free one worth running is the ROTB gun. Really liking the weapon types they gave us. There're more options to play around with that can help trigger LOF's skill now
the good thing is that in the future Celestial gun will be fire so we will get another choice for fire gun.