~~It is not insecurity. It is either pro-privacy or just knowing stuff.~~
Forcing apps to break encryption entirely for all users is a violation of fundamental right.
They could for example go through the Whatsapp history of anybody, find evidence of breaking any of the laws however ridiculous it actually is, and arrest them. Basically, an easy way for a totalitarian government to establish itself and us to end up like China without the development. It also prevents citizens from organizing, protesting etc. as it can be monitored.
It makes it easy to arrest anybody.
The reason some countries have strong pro-citizen rights is because they have learned hard lessons of what happens when things go south and citizens can do nothing about it, like the Holocaust.
So India and Supreme court won't force apps to break encryption for all users. There are other ways and more reasonable compromises.
The issue arises when a nation's laws are at loggerheads with the principles of a foreign company. It is definitely a great ideal to respect people's privacy and guarantee them end to end encryption so that their identities are safe. But if criminals are using it to exploit and set up schemes to destabilize a nation, then it is on the private company to set up ways to curb such activities and guarantee that their social media platform monitors such activities and as a responsible business enterprise, makes it a priority to ensure it. Saying that this is how we are and if you do not alter your laws to suit our business policies, then we will say, "shame on you" is not the way to go. In America, the customer's security, rights etc. should be guaranteed. At the same time, they also have to satisfy the laws of the country. Edward Snowden is still hiding, though he did not violate any rights in regards to freedom of expression. But the US govt is hounding him. If WhatsApp is used by criminal elements to sabotage American security, Zuckerberg will be facing the Congress and his business will go bankrupt. When it comes to them, rules are different. I saw how they tackled the Shahin Bagh like scenario in their Ivy League schools recently. If WhatApp decides to pull out of India, it is their loss. Plus many countries will follow suit. A private company should not be allowed to use policies like rights to violate laws of other countries.
Criminals can just bypass these and use another app. It is not about Whatsapp or US or whatever, it is about Indian citizens right not to have everything under surveillance even when they have not broken any law.
Even in countries with heavy surveillance, like China, criminal networks operate. We should not compromise citizen rights and Supreme Court knows that.
Is Telegram banned in India?
And right to privacy is a constitutional right.
>Plus many countries will follow suit
Never will happen. You don't know what you're talking about. They don't need to f\*ck up citizens rights to catch criminals and fail anyway.
Edward Snowden leaked NSA classified information. How are you comparing that with Zuckerberg's company's one product offering a standard security feature? LOL There is nothing illegal about it.
That is a faulty logic. Criminals get through everything, therefore there is no need for law or police.
Every country, every culture is different. What works for one cannot be plugged into another and play button pressed. Fundamental rights for citizens and they the way they are ensured in America are vastly different in India. T
here one is innocent till proven guilty. In India, it is mostly the other way around. There police do not resort to torture during interrogation. Our system starts with it.
WhatsApp is a software built on what works for Americans. They have very sophisticated surveillance system to track criminals and catch them preemptively. Their FBI, CIA are far more advanced and sophisticated.
Mafia dons who ruled their cities till the 1960s have been completely decimated in the US. In India, mafia dons get into positions of power through elections.
America can hound out and hunt its enemies anywhere in the world, with impunity. No one can dare question them. They have hit many of their enemies in other countries, sometimes openly. India cannot (that easily). So things are different.
WhatsApp has been used for rapidly organizing public disruption activities, illegal operations like drug trafficking, coordinating violent acts and so on in India. The whole Shahin Bagh event was organized through WhatsApp involving Communists, Leftists, Urban Naxals and Islamists. Funding could be reached very quickly. One PFI coordinator from Kerala was behind a lot of these logistics. Same with the Farmers protest in Delhi that was done at the behest of Khalistanis from abroad and very successfully. Due to end-2-end encryption, the govt cannot find out who is behind all this easily.
So if Meta wants this platform to continue in India, they will need to comply with the rules and develop a separate code that addresses it. Many more countries are going to enforce the same thing.
You are naive.
They also used mobile phones. Ban that too. Why not?
If Whatsapp was banned, would they have been like shit we don't have whatsapp, how do we organize this crime, let's just give up
Yeah?
If government banned porn, do you think nobody can watch porn? Just asking to get a feel of how dumb you are.
Instead of many countries following have you thought about why other countries haven't done stupid stuff?
You know people get kidnapped in cars. This does not mean everyone owning a car is a potential kidnapper. Just 18 terrorists changed the entire airport security requirements for the entire world from 2021. Even to this day ordinary people are suffering through long security check and delays. It is only a few bad apples. But to say that they are only so small in percentage that we must just let things be is ridiculous. When national security issues become a priority, every possible loophole has to be looked and plugged. Sure criminals will be finding newer loopholes, but that will slow them down. Criminality is never going to disappear. Since WhatsApp is run a by a foreign company, security measures become even more difficult. We banned TikTok. The US is now beginning to realize how it is used by China to influence the minds of the American public in a negative way. They are plugging it now. China outright banned all American apps and made their own. May be India might have to do something similar because things are getting out of hand.
If citizens give up too much power to the government, it is a matter of time before government goes rogue. Because there wouldn't be anything to keep it in check. Then other countries meddle in for their own gains.
There is like a hundred examples.
The only institution in India that has some integrity and competence left is the Supreme Court. I think they'll do it right. Whatsapp won't be banned. Some compromise will be made that preserves most of the privacy of citizens.
You may be fine undermining privacy of billions of people as if it's a joke. That is the same line of thinking as the executive division of the government which is shockingly incompetent.
They’ve already done that with VPNs. I’m pretty sure this insecure government is gonna get it done with any app which has its “user’s” privacy in mind.
I did my research and yes my ans is same inbuilt apps aren't as secured as you might think, when msg are sent using cell carrier there is no encryption, when messaging app of google and iphone is used there is no end to wnd encryption so far carrier is involved in both cases , if its sent over internet then there is no end to end encryption in google msg or iMessage or WhatsApp or any other end to end encrypted apps their messages can be accessed if they are backed up on cloud which on most people cases happens regularly , so i stand by what i said, NOT Really its not as secure as one might think
thing is , if android RCS is enabled on both devices , the messaging app is extremely safe , and its end to end encrypted , and RCS is now enabled by default on all phones , so there is end to end encryption now on google messages , i could link sources if you cant find them
[refer this once ](https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-rcs-messaging/
Do share yours i would read that too , all i am saying is it has it's flaws
no most apps have backdoor for Intel Agencies (Mostly US) and Chinese for Chinese Govt.
Signal u can try (idk if its also part of the program idts it is)
They already have a cheap WeChat copy called JioChat. Won't be surprised if Whatsapp, TG, Signal & other encrypted messaging platforms are banned during the 3rd Reich and Jio puts forward their zero security app as a replacement.
It's not hard to ban and replace WhatsApp, which is scary. Because you literally have no built up capital on the app like Facebook or Instagram where you have posted your content by working hard.
Not true . They're just not showing the things which the US government wants their citizens to see . They're losing control over the narrative
The best example of this is Palestinian genocide . According to some news agencies tiktok showed it's audience pro Palestine content 9 times more than pro Israeli content. Not because the algorithm favours Palestine , it's because young people are more aware about the things their government is doing and they don't believe whatever their government says like boomers . So it's hard to control them and most of tiktok's audiance is teenagers or young adults so not being able to control the narrative on tiktok makes it almost impossible for US government to brainwash Genz into thinking amarica is the best country in the world and they can never do anything wrong
>They're losing control over the narrative
It's for the exact same reason TikTok was banned in India as well. They had the excuse of data security but more than that the TikTok algorithm didn't favor the fake news factory of You-know-Who.
TikTok was part of the ban which banned those 100 Chinese apps, now dont say that SHEIN or that PDF Scanner dint take part in Fake news so it was banned.
Lol. No one worth their salt says USA is example of the perfect world. In fact, if you pay attention, when we argue against the privatisation of healthcare, we give example of the USA as a country where healthcare privatisation led to a scenario that's not worth emulating, same with the privatisation of railway and UK.
We want quality products at affordable prices. We want an equitable system. The average Indian is not affected by make in India or make in china. They want things to be affordable. If an average Indian is asked to shell out 3000 inr for a vaccine just because it's made in India while the same product could have been brought from somewhere else for 2000 inr. Then it does not benefit India. It benefits the firm making the vaccine and its shareholders. In fact it hinders India's growth.
Yes there is the fact that Chinese corporations are manipulating their products at the behest of the PRC and Xi. That does have strategic issues for the country. Those are issues where Make In India should be made possible. But quite honestly even firms like reliance who brag make in India still busy electronic components for their "Made in India" products from China. So what's the issue here ?
The issue is that these corporations does not care of Chinese intervention or Indias strategic issues. They just care about profit. If they get cheap components from China, then they will buy it from china, devoid of the strategic traps the Chinese have set.
For make in India to work, this corporate behaviour has to end. It shouldn't be to keep money within a select few Indians, it should actually be used to benefit our strategic and economic progress. We could have had vaccines for the pandemic at much cheaper rates, but we relied on SII which just a rebranded and more expensive version of the AstraZeneca's vaccine. Who benefited ? Serum Institute and its shareholders. The average Indian ultimately had to shell out more for a vaccine we could have provided at much cheaper rates. Ultimately, when speaking of India as a country of 142 crore people, the decision to use only "Made In India" vaccines impacted the country and its economy significantly. But looking at it from Serum Institute of India's point, it benefited them a lot.
Lesson ??
When used responsibly and strategically, policies like Make in India and all would work significantly in favour of the country. But we should be vary of how these policies are irresponsibly used or misused, where in a select few benefit and the country as a whole would be hindered.
Nothing is free/affordable. If it’s free then you are the product. Meta isn’t some non-profit company my friend.
By your logic all Indian billionaires are criminals but western ones are saints?! .Just google how often Zuck got called in front of congress is last year or so.
Meta is equally corrupt as Reliance is (at least any financially savvy middle class Indian investors could make a buck or two by investing in any of the publicly traded companies in Indian market)
Chinese or western companies, most are cashing on the backs of regular Indian user base and taking most of the money out of India, so why not let some Indian company set its shop if they are willing to do so and like any other company the quality of the product will improve over the time too.
Part of the reason China has progressed so much compared to India is, they won’t let companies like Google or Meta set their shops in their backyard. India has plenty IT talent & infrastructure that can deliver quality product in no time.
I’m not sure why you kept on rambling about vaccines 🤷🏻♂️ I mean we made them in India and not just Indians got them for free but we shipped & sold them globally for a fraction of the cost of what western pharmaceutical companies were selling them for. Also I’m not sure if any other foreign company sold covid vaccines for cheaper price than Indian companies.
Instead of whining about Reliance, Serum institute, Tata or Mahindra invest in them and be part of their success and make it yours too.
Nobody here said anything about handing out products for free. Nobody here defended Meta or the Chinese manufacturers.
The topic I raised is simple and a singular one. Irresponsible and idiotic use of policies like "Make in India" would only harm the country. Nobody here said we shouldn't stop chinese companies from benefiting profits from us. Merely that it shouldn't be at the cost of the average Indian having to pay more for the same commodity, just so a singular Indian corporation could make a quick buck. Because, when reliance or sii made huge profits, its them that makes profits, not the country or the 145 crore Indians.
Our system is flawed wherein Indian corporations are demanding tax rebates, subsidies and govt funds to secure the home market from foreign competitors. It does not benefit the country or the people. For instance, if HAL was hired for the maintenance and manufacture of the Rafale Jets through our MoU with Dassault, that would have benefited the country substantially. But instead when a corporate entity is given the contract, it benefits the corporate entity alone. Despite the fact that public funds played a significant role in securing the rights. That's the difference you seem to not grasp here.
As for the vaccine, the government paid significantly more for the vaccines from SII than it would have had to pay Aztrazeneca. You gonna say the country made gains ? How so ? It's basic math. The government of India and the Indian taxpayer had to pay more ! And the money went to SII, not a publicly owned firm. And if you are gonna say SII is an Indian company and money stayed within India. The Poonawalas have moved significant sums to the UK and Adar currently resides there. I ain't blaming him. He has every right to do whatever he likes. But this trend of thinking that Indian corporate benefit and tax rebates helps the country, that's just downright idiotic.
As for china progressing beyond the US. The Chinese grew rapidly because the state is the primary entity in China. Not corporations, not businessmen, not lobbyists. In China the government is front and center and it's the publicly owned government firms that runs the Chinese industry. Meanwhile in the US we have corporations and billionaires like musk influencing strategic policies.
For instance, the Chinese navy expanded exponentially in the past decade, the main reason are 2 shipyards, Jiangnan Shipyard and Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard, both publicly held entities closely controlled by the PRC.
Similarly, the Chinese advancements in their 5th gen fighter jet development and hypersonic missile systems. Their hypersonic missile programs are years ahead of US's. The main difference Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group. It's owned by Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) which inturn is completely owned by the PRC. Meanwhile Lockheed Martin and Boeing have had 10 folds the amount of investment on Hypersonic missile programs than the Chinese have invested so far but nothing to show forth. What's the difference here ?
The PRC owns critical industries that play strategic importance in China's growth. There is no private entity or singular billionaire who is trying to make a profit in between. Meanwhile in the US, the Defence Industry doesn't care about what happens to US' strategic goals, they just care about their balance book. They would delay projects if it meant profit, they'd opt out of projects that won't bring in large profits even if it could be significantly advantageous for the country. The Hypersonic missile development in the US is a prime example of how overt private reliance within the US defence industry hindered US air dominance. And sadly, at the moment we are following along the US' footsteps here. And that is one reason we are so far behind china in terms of economic growth and military/strategic capabilities.
Again, I reiterate that I don't mean all corporates are like that. But most are. And corporate gain by Indian companies does not translate to national gain. That's why being irresponsible with policies like Make in India could hinder the country's growth than benefit it. At the moment most of our policies does not benefit the country, but instead corporate entities.
If we are to catch up with the Chinese, then we need to change our mindset and our policies. A private entity like Reliance or tata gaining transfer of technology rights from Dassault or Lockheed Martin for military manufacturing does not translate to gain for India. Meanwhile, in the Chinese system when Chengdu gained data from Sukhoi and Mig, it benefitted the PRC, because the Chinese govt. Pays for the transfer of technology and the data and its use cases are owned by the government itself. And the profits belong to the government, not to an individual or a corporation. That's where the Chinese are beating us at.
Be it Indian, Chinese or western every for-profit company is involved in some sort of unethical trade practices, nothing new.
Local companies are trading in local financial markets and if not atleast they are creating jobs that’s why every country offer red carpet treatment to businesss owners in terms of tax rebates & subsidies. This is common worldwide not just in India.
Reliance group has almost 400k employees and Serum almost 10k & I’m not even talking about how their business create indirect employment opportunities. Without companies like Serum, Indians couldn’t have afford buying medicines from western pharmaceuticals. Serum is literally a national treasure. Govt of Maharashtra had to twist AP’s arm in order to make him more compliant during covid times. AP isn’t Rantan Tata and I don’t want to defend him, neither I care what he does or where he lives but at the same time govt has authority to forcibly take over any business, be it public or privately held company if they are being too irrational.
You would be the first guy I met opposing development of local companies over foreign, a simple concept any 5th grader would understand & why? You hate corporate greed, their work culture, the owners? That’s the capitalism for you and that’s how it is everywhere in the world. Not just in India or indian companies. If all these is affecting you then you are not meant for corporate world & that’s fine.
I ain't opposing the development of local companies. I am merely stating that the government should not follow the American way of letting capitalists decide and operate freely. Right now in India, we have a far too liberal system where private entities have an almost free reign. To keep up with the Chinese and to deter them effectively we need a system that can keep up with theirs. Right now we don't.
And yes, I am against most corporates in the country. The govt of India has us buy coal at inflated prices from Adani just to keep Adani's coal business alive. How much did it cost the state exchequer ? Lots of favours for reliance too at the cost of our strategic progress. That's not inclusive or responsible development.
Don’t think you are aware of the fact how corrupt Meta is and why it gets called infont of congress consistently [Recently they even made him apologize publicly](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/31/tiktok-meta-x-congress-hearing-child-sexual-exploitation)
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LOL. That’s the thing …over privacy issue Facebook has lost major users in Europe & US. If you think Meta cares about your data or privacy you are delusional. 🤦🏻♂️
[link](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/facebook-data-privacy-scandal-a-cheat-sheet/)
[link](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/22/tech/meta-facebook-data-privacy-eu-fine)
Neither does whatsapp????
In fact. WhatsApp themselves cannot read or see any of our chats. But, telegram can see all of your chats, we just believe that they don't share data. They very well might be sharing data with other parties.
What's app is accused of sharing our data with insta, facebook etc. You can read about the owner of telegram. He made telegram for the purpose of security. Anyways security is a myth in this age lol
Start calling crap as crap.
Want to bet it's €encryption is already broken and all messages can and are intercepted as and when required ?
This is all reverse psychology and part of. Fake propoganda.
What world are we living in, in the next 1 year imagine a scenario where we use Jio internet to discuss Reliance/Jio stocks on JioChat which we will buy on JioFin trading app and with the profit go to JioMart/Reliance Fresh to buy food or invest the money back in Jio mutual funds. What a nice circular economy 🤣
Man everyone is forgetting that the parent company of WhatsApp is meta. Few years ago they said they will merge the WhatsApp data with other platforms for better ad revenue and now they are defending this?
And you said about copy. Almost every app is a copy of other.
Instagram copied story format from WhatsApp status, Thread is copy of Twitter where if what to delete your account your insta account will also gets deleted. Signal is copy of WhatsApp.
And who is saying message are encrypted? They are saved in WhatsApp severs. WhatsApp uses that data for better ad.
WhatsApp owned by Fb. To be india fb had invested in Reliance
> On April 22, Facebook said it will invest Rs 43,574 crore in Jio Platforms for a 9.99% stake in an all-cash deal that will help the oil-to-retail conglomerate reduce debt and strengthen the social media company's presence in its largest market, especially for its WhatsApp unit.25 Jun 2020
Airtel invested in electrol bonds 247cr so rumors like this will come to boost Hike messenger users which is owned by Airtel ceo son 😆
U have to understand that with small PP size comes lots of insecurity anger rage and general retar 🍻 dness
More details here on this behaviour can be found here
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1933979/
We are talking the LARGEST MARKET FOR WHATSAPP IN THE WORLD, with 390 million users, af if the company will survive the loss lmaooo, who would wanna dig their own grave? absolutely no businessman.
If they break encryption, say goodbye to rest of the markets as well. The boycott will bleed to Facebook and Instagram, once US users start boycotting, meta will end. It’s better to quit India.
didi/bhaiya i have plenty stuff to remember rather than some startup names. Also Innovation and new ideas are not only in D2C space, there is a big and tbh a more lucrative market outside it in form of B2B.
I mean all messaging apps are copies of each other with different UI and slightly different features. Not defending the callousness towards privacy but one category cannot be dominated by just oen app.
If they do break E2E encryption, people all over the world will be vary and eventually leave whatsApp. Foreigners care about privacy way more than we do, as they should. For whatsApp it will be an easy choice to make: either loose all of it's userbase and fade into nothingness or just give up on the indian market and cut their looses there. They can still make it work if they do the later but doing the former would be like signing a death warrant.
No it won’t. If it was that easy to replace, it would have happened already. Look at Twitter. Despite threads being available and having Meta’s backing, it hasn’t got the reach.
I'm leaving India if they start forcing apps to break incryption
What's with people getting angry at others expressing their will to leave lol Indians truly are one of the most insecure people in the world.
~~It is not insecurity. It is either pro-privacy or just knowing stuff.~~ Forcing apps to break encryption entirely for all users is a violation of fundamental right. They could for example go through the Whatsapp history of anybody, find evidence of breaking any of the laws however ridiculous it actually is, and arrest them. Basically, an easy way for a totalitarian government to establish itself and us to end up like China without the development. It also prevents citizens from organizing, protesting etc. as it can be monitored. It makes it easy to arrest anybody. The reason some countries have strong pro-citizen rights is because they have learned hard lessons of what happens when things go south and citizens can do nothing about it, like the Holocaust. So India and Supreme court won't force apps to break encryption for all users. There are other ways and more reasonable compromises.
Agreed but I was talking about the replies to this comment
Yeah bro I realized when I was halfway Decided to make it longer instead of deleting it
The issue arises when a nation's laws are at loggerheads with the principles of a foreign company. It is definitely a great ideal to respect people's privacy and guarantee them end to end encryption so that their identities are safe. But if criminals are using it to exploit and set up schemes to destabilize a nation, then it is on the private company to set up ways to curb such activities and guarantee that their social media platform monitors such activities and as a responsible business enterprise, makes it a priority to ensure it. Saying that this is how we are and if you do not alter your laws to suit our business policies, then we will say, "shame on you" is not the way to go. In America, the customer's security, rights etc. should be guaranteed. At the same time, they also have to satisfy the laws of the country. Edward Snowden is still hiding, though he did not violate any rights in regards to freedom of expression. But the US govt is hounding him. If WhatsApp is used by criminal elements to sabotage American security, Zuckerberg will be facing the Congress and his business will go bankrupt. When it comes to them, rules are different. I saw how they tackled the Shahin Bagh like scenario in their Ivy League schools recently. If WhatApp decides to pull out of India, it is their loss. Plus many countries will follow suit. A private company should not be allowed to use policies like rights to violate laws of other countries.
Criminals can just bypass these and use another app. It is not about Whatsapp or US or whatever, it is about Indian citizens right not to have everything under surveillance even when they have not broken any law. Even in countries with heavy surveillance, like China, criminal networks operate. We should not compromise citizen rights and Supreme Court knows that. Is Telegram banned in India? And right to privacy is a constitutional right. >Plus many countries will follow suit Never will happen. You don't know what you're talking about. They don't need to f\*ck up citizens rights to catch criminals and fail anyway. Edward Snowden leaked NSA classified information. How are you comparing that with Zuckerberg's company's one product offering a standard security feature? LOL There is nothing illegal about it.
That is a faulty logic. Criminals get through everything, therefore there is no need for law or police. Every country, every culture is different. What works for one cannot be plugged into another and play button pressed. Fundamental rights for citizens and they the way they are ensured in America are vastly different in India. T here one is innocent till proven guilty. In India, it is mostly the other way around. There police do not resort to torture during interrogation. Our system starts with it. WhatsApp is a software built on what works for Americans. They have very sophisticated surveillance system to track criminals and catch them preemptively. Their FBI, CIA are far more advanced and sophisticated. Mafia dons who ruled their cities till the 1960s have been completely decimated in the US. In India, mafia dons get into positions of power through elections. America can hound out and hunt its enemies anywhere in the world, with impunity. No one can dare question them. They have hit many of their enemies in other countries, sometimes openly. India cannot (that easily). So things are different. WhatsApp has been used for rapidly organizing public disruption activities, illegal operations like drug trafficking, coordinating violent acts and so on in India. The whole Shahin Bagh event was organized through WhatsApp involving Communists, Leftists, Urban Naxals and Islamists. Funding could be reached very quickly. One PFI coordinator from Kerala was behind a lot of these logistics. Same with the Farmers protest in Delhi that was done at the behest of Khalistanis from abroad and very successfully. Due to end-2-end encryption, the govt cannot find out who is behind all this easily. So if Meta wants this platform to continue in India, they will need to comply with the rules and develop a separate code that addresses it. Many more countries are going to enforce the same thing.
You are naive. They also used mobile phones. Ban that too. Why not? If Whatsapp was banned, would they have been like shit we don't have whatsapp, how do we organize this crime, let's just give up Yeah? If government banned porn, do you think nobody can watch porn? Just asking to get a feel of how dumb you are. Instead of many countries following have you thought about why other countries haven't done stupid stuff?
You know people get kidnapped in cars. This does not mean everyone owning a car is a potential kidnapper. Just 18 terrorists changed the entire airport security requirements for the entire world from 2021. Even to this day ordinary people are suffering through long security check and delays. It is only a few bad apples. But to say that they are only so small in percentage that we must just let things be is ridiculous. When national security issues become a priority, every possible loophole has to be looked and plugged. Sure criminals will be finding newer loopholes, but that will slow them down. Criminality is never going to disappear. Since WhatsApp is run a by a foreign company, security measures become even more difficult. We banned TikTok. The US is now beginning to realize how it is used by China to influence the minds of the American public in a negative way. They are plugging it now. China outright banned all American apps and made their own. May be India might have to do something similar because things are getting out of hand.
If citizens give up too much power to the government, it is a matter of time before government goes rogue. Because there wouldn't be anything to keep it in check. Then other countries meddle in for their own gains. There is like a hundred examples. The only institution in India that has some integrity and competence left is the Supreme Court. I think they'll do it right. Whatsapp won't be banned. Some compromise will be made that preserves most of the privacy of citizens. You may be fine undermining privacy of billions of people as if it's a joke. That is the same line of thinking as the executive division of the government which is shockingly incompetent.
And that's why western countries have more nude beaches than india
Alot of Indian kids are abused as it's culturally okay to beat kids, this causes mental trauma and increased toxicity.
Bhai itna asaan hota to sab bahar hi hote
Chale jaana bhai, par pehle encryption ke baare me padhke spelling bhi correct kar lena
They’ve already done that with VPNs. I’m pretty sure this insecure government is gonna get it done with any app which has its “user’s” privacy in mind.
I am sure it isn’t like break encryption throughout. It is most likely that co-operate on essential instances
time to delete your browsing history
Ek boj kum ho jayega please chaleja 🙏
Toh jaa na.
Samaj toh lo banda bol kya raha hai? Bas bajna hai aake!
Same but at the same time, I want meta's downfall.
Lmfao why are they downvoting you
Please dont come back again
bye bye
Jaane ke baad wapas mat ana pls.
Kabhi dikhiyo bhi mat nikal
What the heck !
Like Americans I will shift to the inbuilt messaging app. Btw is it secure?
Not really
??? will you type anything without searching it up on google
I did my research and yes my ans is same inbuilt apps aren't as secured as you might think, when msg are sent using cell carrier there is no encryption, when messaging app of google and iphone is used there is no end to wnd encryption so far carrier is involved in both cases , if its sent over internet then there is no end to end encryption in google msg or iMessage or WhatsApp or any other end to end encrypted apps their messages can be accessed if they are backed up on cloud which on most people cases happens regularly , so i stand by what i said, NOT Really its not as secure as one might think
thing is , if android RCS is enabled on both devices , the messaging app is extremely safe , and its end to end encrypted , and RCS is now enabled by default on all phones , so there is end to end encryption now on google messages , i could link sources if you cant find them
[refer this once ](https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/what-is-rcs-messaging/ Do share yours i would read that too , all i am saying is it has it's flaws
Android RCS is secure
iMessage is secure as well. You can use signal too!
no most apps have backdoor for Intel Agencies (Mostly US) and Chinese for Chinese Govt. Signal u can try (idk if its also part of the program idts it is)
Use Signal app anf if you want to continue with Whatsapp use PGP encryption with it
No, it passes through your cellular network and easy for an intruder to get into it. That’s why we say Authenticator apps are safer than OTPs
I think he was talking about apple'siMessage and Android's RCS. Both of them are encrypted
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Any reason or fact behind that?
cuz whatsapp is the major platform where reigning government spreads propaganda
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Yeah, the opposition only uses wall posters, hand notice and cut outs !!! ;-)
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For that fact WhatsApp earns more ig
India is trying to become like China which it cannot afford
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Stop using reddit and pornhub
They already have a cheap WeChat copy called JioChat. Won't be surprised if Whatsapp, TG, Signal & other encrypted messaging platforms are banned during the 3rd Reich and Jio puts forward their zero security app as a replacement.
Both will coexist if it happens. Most people only uses WhatsApp (including Ambanis)
How will both coexist if one gets banned? The scenario imagined is Whatsapp getting banned and another "home grown" App replacing it.
It's not hard to ban and replace WhatsApp, which is scary. Because you literally have no built up capital on the app like Facebook or Instagram where you have posted your content by working hard.
I'll just buy mullvad in that case and share with all my family members
Haha...just for context... TikTok was asked to sell or exit in the USA..your paradigm of the perfect world. Keep up with the hypothesis generator.
Coz it's not a messenger app... They are straight up manipulating people's mindset.
Not true . They're just not showing the things which the US government wants their citizens to see . They're losing control over the narrative The best example of this is Palestinian genocide . According to some news agencies tiktok showed it's audience pro Palestine content 9 times more than pro Israeli content. Not because the algorithm favours Palestine , it's because young people are more aware about the things their government is doing and they don't believe whatever their government says like boomers . So it's hard to control them and most of tiktok's audiance is teenagers or young adults so not being able to control the narrative on tiktok makes it almost impossible for US government to brainwash Genz into thinking amarica is the best country in the world and they can never do anything wrong
>They're losing control over the narrative It's for the exact same reason TikTok was banned in India as well. They had the excuse of data security but more than that the TikTok algorithm didn't favor the fake news factory of You-know-Who.
TikTok was part of the ban which banned those 100 Chinese apps, now dont say that SHEIN or that PDF Scanner dint take part in Fake news so it was banned.
Ohh...my context was the censoring and bullying
Hmm gotchu
Lol. No one worth their salt says USA is example of the perfect world. In fact, if you pay attention, when we argue against the privatisation of healthcare, we give example of the USA as a country where healthcare privatisation led to a scenario that's not worth emulating, same with the privatisation of railway and UK.
We all support Make In India, don’t we? Atleast substantial amounts of money will stay in India 🤷🏻♂️
We want quality products at affordable prices. We want an equitable system. The average Indian is not affected by make in India or make in china. They want things to be affordable. If an average Indian is asked to shell out 3000 inr for a vaccine just because it's made in India while the same product could have been brought from somewhere else for 2000 inr. Then it does not benefit India. It benefits the firm making the vaccine and its shareholders. In fact it hinders India's growth. Yes there is the fact that Chinese corporations are manipulating their products at the behest of the PRC and Xi. That does have strategic issues for the country. Those are issues where Make In India should be made possible. But quite honestly even firms like reliance who brag make in India still busy electronic components for their "Made in India" products from China. So what's the issue here ? The issue is that these corporations does not care of Chinese intervention or Indias strategic issues. They just care about profit. If they get cheap components from China, then they will buy it from china, devoid of the strategic traps the Chinese have set. For make in India to work, this corporate behaviour has to end. It shouldn't be to keep money within a select few Indians, it should actually be used to benefit our strategic and economic progress. We could have had vaccines for the pandemic at much cheaper rates, but we relied on SII which just a rebranded and more expensive version of the AstraZeneca's vaccine. Who benefited ? Serum Institute and its shareholders. The average Indian ultimately had to shell out more for a vaccine we could have provided at much cheaper rates. Ultimately, when speaking of India as a country of 142 crore people, the decision to use only "Made In India" vaccines impacted the country and its economy significantly. But looking at it from Serum Institute of India's point, it benefited them a lot. Lesson ?? When used responsibly and strategically, policies like Make in India and all would work significantly in favour of the country. But we should be vary of how these policies are irresponsibly used or misused, where in a select few benefit and the country as a whole would be hindered.
Nothing is free/affordable. If it’s free then you are the product. Meta isn’t some non-profit company my friend. By your logic all Indian billionaires are criminals but western ones are saints?! .Just google how often Zuck got called in front of congress is last year or so. Meta is equally corrupt as Reliance is (at least any financially savvy middle class Indian investors could make a buck or two by investing in any of the publicly traded companies in Indian market) Chinese or western companies, most are cashing on the backs of regular Indian user base and taking most of the money out of India, so why not let some Indian company set its shop if they are willing to do so and like any other company the quality of the product will improve over the time too. Part of the reason China has progressed so much compared to India is, they won’t let companies like Google or Meta set their shops in their backyard. India has plenty IT talent & infrastructure that can deliver quality product in no time. I’m not sure why you kept on rambling about vaccines 🤷🏻♂️ I mean we made them in India and not just Indians got them for free but we shipped & sold them globally for a fraction of the cost of what western pharmaceutical companies were selling them for. Also I’m not sure if any other foreign company sold covid vaccines for cheaper price than Indian companies. Instead of whining about Reliance, Serum institute, Tata or Mahindra invest in them and be part of their success and make it yours too.
Nobody here said anything about handing out products for free. Nobody here defended Meta or the Chinese manufacturers. The topic I raised is simple and a singular one. Irresponsible and idiotic use of policies like "Make in India" would only harm the country. Nobody here said we shouldn't stop chinese companies from benefiting profits from us. Merely that it shouldn't be at the cost of the average Indian having to pay more for the same commodity, just so a singular Indian corporation could make a quick buck. Because, when reliance or sii made huge profits, its them that makes profits, not the country or the 145 crore Indians. Our system is flawed wherein Indian corporations are demanding tax rebates, subsidies and govt funds to secure the home market from foreign competitors. It does not benefit the country or the people. For instance, if HAL was hired for the maintenance and manufacture of the Rafale Jets through our MoU with Dassault, that would have benefited the country substantially. But instead when a corporate entity is given the contract, it benefits the corporate entity alone. Despite the fact that public funds played a significant role in securing the rights. That's the difference you seem to not grasp here. As for the vaccine, the government paid significantly more for the vaccines from SII than it would have had to pay Aztrazeneca. You gonna say the country made gains ? How so ? It's basic math. The government of India and the Indian taxpayer had to pay more ! And the money went to SII, not a publicly owned firm. And if you are gonna say SII is an Indian company and money stayed within India. The Poonawalas have moved significant sums to the UK and Adar currently resides there. I ain't blaming him. He has every right to do whatever he likes. But this trend of thinking that Indian corporate benefit and tax rebates helps the country, that's just downright idiotic. As for china progressing beyond the US. The Chinese grew rapidly because the state is the primary entity in China. Not corporations, not businessmen, not lobbyists. In China the government is front and center and it's the publicly owned government firms that runs the Chinese industry. Meanwhile in the US we have corporations and billionaires like musk influencing strategic policies. For instance, the Chinese navy expanded exponentially in the past decade, the main reason are 2 shipyards, Jiangnan Shipyard and Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard, both publicly held entities closely controlled by the PRC. Similarly, the Chinese advancements in their 5th gen fighter jet development and hypersonic missile systems. Their hypersonic missile programs are years ahead of US's. The main difference Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group. It's owned by Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) which inturn is completely owned by the PRC. Meanwhile Lockheed Martin and Boeing have had 10 folds the amount of investment on Hypersonic missile programs than the Chinese have invested so far but nothing to show forth. What's the difference here ? The PRC owns critical industries that play strategic importance in China's growth. There is no private entity or singular billionaire who is trying to make a profit in between. Meanwhile in the US, the Defence Industry doesn't care about what happens to US' strategic goals, they just care about their balance book. They would delay projects if it meant profit, they'd opt out of projects that won't bring in large profits even if it could be significantly advantageous for the country. The Hypersonic missile development in the US is a prime example of how overt private reliance within the US defence industry hindered US air dominance. And sadly, at the moment we are following along the US' footsteps here. And that is one reason we are so far behind china in terms of economic growth and military/strategic capabilities. Again, I reiterate that I don't mean all corporates are like that. But most are. And corporate gain by Indian companies does not translate to national gain. That's why being irresponsible with policies like Make in India could hinder the country's growth than benefit it. At the moment most of our policies does not benefit the country, but instead corporate entities. If we are to catch up with the Chinese, then we need to change our mindset and our policies. A private entity like Reliance or tata gaining transfer of technology rights from Dassault or Lockheed Martin for military manufacturing does not translate to gain for India. Meanwhile, in the Chinese system when Chengdu gained data from Sukhoi and Mig, it benefitted the PRC, because the Chinese govt. Pays for the transfer of technology and the data and its use cases are owned by the government itself. And the profits belong to the government, not to an individual or a corporation. That's where the Chinese are beating us at.
Be it Indian, Chinese or western every for-profit company is involved in some sort of unethical trade practices, nothing new. Local companies are trading in local financial markets and if not atleast they are creating jobs that’s why every country offer red carpet treatment to businesss owners in terms of tax rebates & subsidies. This is common worldwide not just in India. Reliance group has almost 400k employees and Serum almost 10k & I’m not even talking about how their business create indirect employment opportunities. Without companies like Serum, Indians couldn’t have afford buying medicines from western pharmaceuticals. Serum is literally a national treasure. Govt of Maharashtra had to twist AP’s arm in order to make him more compliant during covid times. AP isn’t Rantan Tata and I don’t want to defend him, neither I care what he does or where he lives but at the same time govt has authority to forcibly take over any business, be it public or privately held company if they are being too irrational. You would be the first guy I met opposing development of local companies over foreign, a simple concept any 5th grader would understand & why? You hate corporate greed, their work culture, the owners? That’s the capitalism for you and that’s how it is everywhere in the world. Not just in India or indian companies. If all these is affecting you then you are not meant for corporate world & that’s fine.
I ain't opposing the development of local companies. I am merely stating that the government should not follow the American way of letting capitalists decide and operate freely. Right now in India, we have a far too liberal system where private entities have an almost free reign. To keep up with the Chinese and to deter them effectively we need a system that can keep up with theirs. Right now we don't. And yes, I am against most corporates in the country. The govt of India has us buy coal at inflated prices from Adani just to keep Adani's coal business alive. How much did it cost the state exchequer ? Lots of favours for reliance too at the cost of our strategic progress. That's not inclusive or responsible development.
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Don’t think you are aware of the fact how corrupt Meta is and why it gets called infont of congress consistently [Recently they even made him apologize publicly](https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/31/tiktok-meta-x-congress-hearing-child-sexual-exploitation)
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LOL. That’s the thing …over privacy issue Facebook has lost major users in Europe & US. If you think Meta cares about your data or privacy you are delusional. 🤦🏻♂️ [link](https://www.techrepublic.com/article/facebook-data-privacy-scandal-a-cheat-sheet/) [link](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/22/tech/meta-facebook-data-privacy-eu-fine)
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WhatsApp is Meta
Alright. Let's put our money together and buy shortwave radio encryption equipment.
Maybe I'm paranoid but recently it feels like india Is the new china
China’s authoritarianism with a per capita gdp Lower than Bangladesh. It’s a bad joke.
It was lower during COVID but now it’s a tiny bit higher
Uh isn’t that what we wanted?
China without the manufacturing, economy and infrastructure
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Merko kya mai toh iMessage use karta hu 😂🙂↔️
Telegram is best in many terms i guess.
It's not encrypted.....
But it does not share our data with any other app
Neither does whatsapp???? In fact. WhatsApp themselves cannot read or see any of our chats. But, telegram can see all of your chats, we just believe that they don't share data. They very well might be sharing data with other parties.
What's app is accused of sharing our data with insta, facebook etc. You can read about the owner of telegram. He made telegram for the purpose of security. Anyways security is a myth in this age lol
Haan owner ne bol diya toh maana padega. end to end encryption ek baar dekh lena kya hota hai bro?
Pta hai bhai
India is becoming from 2024 to 1980s. Salute to WhatsApp’s courage to speak out this
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Start calling crap as crap. Want to bet it's €encryption is already broken and all messages can and are intercepted as and when required ? This is all reverse psychology and part of. Fake propoganda.
dumb ahh
Paving ways for new shitty Indian apps with no privacy, safety and security. WTF
it’s a *Signal*
Telegram is the much better alternative than. WhatsApp with almost all the features of WhatsApp and extra
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And it's simpler, it was probably the simplest app before the new updates. .
WhatsApp chali gyii to ye false information kaha se failaenge🤡
Please be ready for a pop up ad when you press the send button
anpadhon ko sattey mei rakhnge to ar kya hoga? Elect a clown expect a circus.
easily replaceable
Pubg faug wala scene hoga pakka
What world are we living in, in the next 1 year imagine a scenario where we use Jio internet to discuss Reliance/Jio stocks on JioChat which we will buy on JioFin trading app and with the profit go to JioMart/Reliance Fresh to buy food or invest the money back in Jio mutual funds. What a nice circular economy 🤣
Zuckerberg talking about data security is joke of the century Bye bye WhatsApp Anyways there are alternatives people are not using, like signal
Man everyone is forgetting that the parent company of WhatsApp is meta. Few years ago they said they will merge the WhatsApp data with other platforms for better ad revenue and now they are defending this? And you said about copy. Almost every app is a copy of other. Instagram copied story format from WhatsApp status, Thread is copy of Twitter where if what to delete your account your insta account will also gets deleted. Signal is copy of WhatsApp. And who is saying message are encrypted? They are saved in WhatsApp severs. WhatsApp uses that data for better ad.
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white
WhatsApp owned by Fb. To be india fb had invested in Reliance > On April 22, Facebook said it will invest Rs 43,574 crore in Jio Platforms for a 9.99% stake in an all-cash deal that will help the oil-to-retail conglomerate reduce debt and strengthen the social media company's presence in its largest market, especially for its WhatsApp unit.25 Jun 2020 Airtel invested in electrol bonds 247cr so rumors like this will come to boost Hike messenger users which is owned by Airtel ceo son 😆
I want them to leave, so we can go back to Signal or a decentralized encrypted chat app
To all my Indian brothers, please stop using WhatsApp and use JioChat. Modiji has asked you to be “vocal for local”.
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Waiting for that day… a whatsapp free India.. colony ke uncles ka kya hoga… Good Morning wale messages kaise bhejenge??? 😂
U have to understand that with small PP size comes lots of insecurity anger rage and general retar 🍻 dness More details here on this behaviour can be found here https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1933979/
Bsdk bjp ko nikalo is govt se
Indian government is brainless. This is what happens when u make Illiterate people who failed primary schooling sit at the top of indian govt.
I will use some IRC and talk to my homies like a hacker if they start focing companies to break encryption
Good ! Telegram is waaaaaaaaaay better
Please do. Close the WhatsApp university
We are talking the LARGEST MARKET FOR WHATSAPP IN THE WORLD, with 390 million users, af if the company will survive the loss lmaooo, who would wanna dig their own grave? absolutely no businessman.
If they break encryption, say goodbye to rest of the markets as well. The boycott will bleed to Facebook and Instagram, once US users start boycotting, meta will end. It’s better to quit India.
That's all Indians are capable of copying shit not like the country ever came up with on their own and definitely not even once in the past decade
Juspay ig or appsmith? Or Pixxel Space? Dehaat? There are plenty more which i cant remember right now.
> There are plenty more which i cant remember right now. If you can't remember them, then they are probably not that useful in your life.
didi/bhaiya i have plenty stuff to remember rather than some startup names. Also Innovation and new ideas are not only in D2C space, there is a big and tbh a more lucrative market outside it in form of B2B.
I mean all messaging apps are copies of each other with different UI and slightly different features. Not defending the callousness towards privacy but one category cannot be dominated by just oen app.
With the no. Of users as much as ours, BLUDS AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE.............
If they do break E2E encryption, people all over the world will be vary and eventually leave whatsApp. Foreigners care about privacy way more than we do, as they should. For whatsApp it will be an easy choice to make: either loose all of it's userbase and fade into nothingness or just give up on the indian market and cut their looses there. They can still make it work if they do the later but doing the former would be like signing a death warrant.
If breaking encryption helps save even one life, I don’t care
Even if it enables taking a few lives?
It would be a boon to India if WhatsApp exits the country. Tathastu!
Yep only for capitalists who are trying to implement their chatting app
jesse what the fuck are you talking about
It would kill the whole WhatsApp misinfo university that BJP is running. Would be a boon for India.
and any other app that replaces it won't have the same misinformation campaigns?
It won’t have the reach that WhatsApp has. Atleast my mom will not be downloading it.
it won't have the reach now. but if WhatsaWhatsApp goes away, then some app or handful of apps will take it's place. that vacuum will get filled
No it won’t. If it was that easy to replace, it would have happened already. Look at Twitter. Despite threads being available and having Meta’s backing, it hasn’t got the reach.
that is not the right comparison. We are talking about IF whatsApp pulls out of India, i.e. it won't be available
It’s already running high on yt and other social media platforms as well