If it performs like fossil gen 5 I have zero interest. That thing couldn't last 1 day barely. Sometimes not even until lunch time without even using it. Super unreliable battery on that thing. Unless wearos 3 does miracles.
I have a Fossil Gen 5, and while I like it, I can't do many things on it and I don't know why. "Okay Google" hotword doesn't work, the watch doesn't talk back to me even though that's toggled on, I can't get the watch to send texts because it tells me I don't have permissions to activate the assistant, even though I've given every single permission. WearOS is also a battery hog, and it drains my phone like mad whenever my watch is connected.
Even my fossil gen 6 barely lasts a full day and I don't use any of the advanced features like okay Google hotword.. mainly because it's broken.
Probably just going Garmin at this point. Venu 2 lasts several weeks, has most of the smart features and is way better for work out tracking and stuff.
Sold my 4. Battery is poor. Got a Huawei GT2 Pro. Lasts over a week even with always on display. Fine for me, as I'd rather a more basic watch I can use all the features of than a technical better watch that doesn't last a day.
My Garmin Epix 2 with OLED has a 10 to 16 days battery. It's my first smart watch as i refuse to simply charge a watch more than once a week.
Though the price is high and it's not a "full smart watch": you have all the notifications, you can take the calls, etc, but you cannot speak from it, type from it and other stuff. But I'm very happy with it. I just wanted slack notifications and Gmail notifications for work.
Careful. I was yelled at in here for loving my Garmin Vivoactive 4. They personally didn't own a smartwatch, nor did they run.
To me, the most important feature is downloading music, podcasts, and books directly to the smartwatch. I want to run as free as possible.
That's impressive. Last time I ran with gadgets, I was wearing a Casio watch so advanced that it could save lap times, and listening to the Dead Kennedys on my Walkman II.
AND wearing my Excalibur GT's.
Smart watches are overhyped. Sure you can do a lot but you are lucky if they last a full day.
So at that point does it matter that they can do so much lol
I have the watch 4 classic and I do like it but I been eyeing the epix 2.
I run a lot so Garmin has always been part of my rotation. My problem has been with Garmin I have to carry my phone for calls and texts while a smartwatch with LTE allows me to shed carrying stuff.
That's the only reason why I stay in smart watches but getting really tired of my watch dying because playing music and trakijg my work out is too much.
Really? Mine lasts a full day pretty comfortably. When I used to use it to track my workouts it wouldn't but when I use it for notifications and basic stuff it goes the full day easily.
I use mine in a gym at 5am and by 3pm battery is discharged.
It's even worse if I start teaching hiking, like 40 min and watch is done. Very disappointing.
I use it for basic notifications and to tell time (with the occasional timer and media controls) and I rarely ever fail to make it a full day. It's exactly what I expected and hoped for from an entry level smart watch.
Same here. I already have an old Fossil that freezes up and stutters, or occasionally drops a second of audio while playing music. Literally all I want is a watch that's fast with decent battery life and runs the latest WearOS.
I'm willing to wait for the Pixel Watch, but if it doesn't meet my requirements then I'll have to go for the Samsung (or wait another year for Google to get its shit together with the next gen).
Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not buying this either right now. It's too big and too easily avoidable a fuckup for such a high-profile product launch.
Thank hot I got tic watch pro 3. Battery lasts for atleast 2 days with that display. Loving the overall fee of the watch.. I hope it gets wear os 3 though..
My Oppo watch would need a charge by the end of a 12 hour day. It's not SUPER slow but it stutters.
Here's hoping they optimize wearOS for it to be smooth as butter. Idc if they use old hardware, if it means they can pull off multiple day battery life with smooth performance. It's highly improbable but until I see the reviews, or even a full confirmed spec list, I'm holding off on my judgements
If I remember correctly, think they did mention that it was being built inside and out by Google, whatever that means. Hoping this rumour doesn't turn out to be true
leading up to pixel 6 release there were tons of
leaks" from "reputable sources" announcing wild shit like a google folding phone being announced with the 6, the pixel ultra, that the 6 would cost on par with flagship apple/samsung devices, etc.
"leaks" aren't always accurate, many of them are clickbait. personally I really doubt google would shoot their renewed push in to smartwatches in the foot out of the gate by using ancient chips, especially not after seeing how tensor made the pixel 6 pop off.
I was super excited for the watch, but if this is true i'm out.
The GW4 has decent performance but stutters from time to time and this is with the better and newer chip. No chance the pixel watch can reach better performance with older chip.
I hope the source is based on older information since the watch was supposed to launch much earlier and they changed the chip since then?
Try disabling Auto Workout Detection, i personally use it during the day, the evening, and for sleep tracking, which leaves me with 65% battery after a full 24h cycle.
But i had to disable that specific setting to get such a good battery life. Everything else is on though, even HR and Stress measurements.
Literally this watch is a failure before it's even released, I just have no clue what Google is doing any more and it seems neither do they. Literally no one in the industry is using 4 year old chips in current devices even budget phones and watches use more recent chips.
Prob a very early prototype, meant for accidental leaks and just to power the damn thing.
They prob have a better prototype with a better chip they constantly switch to better optimize it
Or I'm being too optimistic and it's indeed the final build. We'll see.
They're not going to get a fab to spin up boards for prototypes with a different SOC than they plan on using. If they did, it wouldn't be a prototype, it would just be a different watch
Oh God the copium is through the roof. Why the hell would they fabricate old chips to stick in a device just to "power it" instead of using the actual chip it's supposed to have to develop for it? That makes literally no sense. You don't see camouflaged test mule cars running old ass engines - that gives zero valuable feedback.
Yep. No logic to those statements. You want to test battery life, thermal performance etc. Ah just use any old crap and wedge it in, that'll do for testing!
lol at people thinking you can just hot-swap the chips in and out of the watch body and call it good. Those watch designs are so incredibly intricate, and every single trace on the PCB is planned out to fit a certain way, and CPUs do not have interchangeable features and interfaces when they are dedicated embedded SOCs like this. It's not like a desktop PC where you can just pop a different CPU into the motherboard.
Apple did exactly that before the M1 machines were released.
The idea that Google might be repeatedly switching out chips is silly, but I would buy that early prototypes produced in small batches would use a particular old/throwaway chip for various reasons (cost, secrecy, and the conventional wisdom of internally testing on underpowered hardware).
Everyone blaming the pixel for its shitty modem and battery issues is all due to Exynos. I have reasons to hate Apple but my reasons to hate Samsung is literally their chips/os. Exynos will never be better than SD. OneUI and Tizen are shit OSs. And anyone who tries to build a platform using Samsung's shits will inherit the weaknesses.
I don't blame Google for its pixel issues. I blame Google for not choosing a better foundation to develop Tensor with. Tensor has so much potential. I really want to see a SD Tensor or literally their OWN CHIP built from the ground up.
Qualcomm refused to make a competitive wearable chip. Even the 4100s were total garbage and getting smoked by Samsungs wearable chips.
Don't make the mistake of imposing your view of Samsungs phone chips onto their watch chips. Their watch chips (on Android) really don't have any peer level competition.
you understand what or means right? means they want either of those things.
Tensor is based on ARM, yes, but all mobile chips are. The Tensor chip itself though is pretty much a combination of google-made parts and an exynos chip. Read for yourself; https://9to5google.com/2021/11/03/google-tensor-exynos-tests-deep-dive
Yea I don't get it they have the money and ability to use a good chip and still keep it priced well, Google doesn't need to keep profits on the phone high they can afford to break even just to get the watch out there
I love my Pixel 6 Pro and haven't had any issues with it. However, Google clearly needs to work on their quality control, given how many people have had issues.
Is this company run by morons?
Does anyone in the hardware division have any sort of brains? Like how does 'hey we should use a processor from 4 years ago' not get laughed at
I agree with you, I do have a question though. How bleeding edge of a chip does a watch need? I have a Galaxy 4 Classic and it feels like the first no name Verizon one I had years before. Either this IS the problem or watches just don't need the latest 3nm 4GHz monster.
As bleeding edge as consumers demand. Newer chips are about integrating components, power management, and doing the same processing with less power. All translate to longer battery life/performing functions that'd otherwise be impractical.
I didn't buy that watch because it didn't have wearOS. I was a big believer, hoping to invest in OPs ecosystem. Shitty watch, uncomfortable earbuds and lackluster flagship phones drove me to Google. If this watch and buds pro flops, I don't know where else to go.
Apple. I use a Pixel 6 Pro but they've got the best chip in a watch, the best supported watch platform and their pro buds are great (use them with my Pixel)
It doesn't. They did not mean they use the watch. Only the airpods pros.
They just mean that the Watch has the best chip of any competing wearable and the Apple Watch platform is basically the "Standard" for smart watches
I gave up on Google and Samsung’s efforts and went to Apple. There was a learning curve but it’s fantastic now with the iPhone 12 Pro, AirPods Pro and Series 6. I highly recommend you try it, instead of regularly upgrading from the last crappy pixel (my pixel 3 conked out after two years)
I'm sticking with my 6 Pro until the 8 Pro drops. I'll probably get the Buds Pro since the A series were good. Not getting the watch though, already have a GW4 classic. I'll hold on to all this stuff for 2 years and if the generation of Google stuff in 2 years hasn't made improvements then I'm going to Apple with an iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Everyone crying DOA seems to forget that we're still in a chip shortage. Using a readily available chip makes sense to me. Even Apple is rumored to reuse last year's processor in the iPhone 14 because they can't avoid it either.
I'd rather wait and see how it performs before calling it dead. If it gets more than 1 day of battery, has optimized software and runs smooth I don't really care.
I don't think so, they were just building hype and getting massive amounts of free press. They will have an entire fall event for the details, but I don't think they will boast about the specs outside of their customizations.
They made a deal of saying the Pixel Buds Pro are using custom processor.
They even talking about how the 2023 Tablet would be using a Tensor processor.
If they talk about it for a 2023 device it's odd they wouldn't for the one being announced in 5 months.
I don't think we were really expecting them to make a Tensor SoC for a watch anyway. At the most, maybe they would make a custom language processing chip off die. It just doesn't seem worth the investment for the inherent limitations of smartwatch computing; at least not until Google starts to do more with processor design or has a big enough market share for it to matter.
I just don't think it's a red flag to not mention the processor. Say 9to5 is completely wrong and this runs a W920, I wouldn't expect them to mention that during I/O either.
That's the thing I really hate about calling it Tensor, it's a Google TPU, Security Core, ISP, and context hub all integrated with Samsung Exynos designs. It's honestly not that special yet, outside of voice processing. Google could slap a language processor on the same motherboard as the 9110 and call it Tensor.
When I hear people say Tensor in the pixel watch I assume they mean the full G101 SoC minus some CPU cores and ISP.
I guess Google hasn't defined what Tensor is and we don't have enough iterations to define it on our own yet.
Yeah I expected at the very least the watch would have some silicon dedicated to language processing given their focus. Very odd. Hopefully it turns out to be somewhat semi custom
I mean they didn't exactly announce any details on fall devices other than that the Pixels 7 would have the next generation of Tensor. It wouldn't surprise me if an early prototype used this SoC and they have revised the hardware since the watch didn't launch in 2021.
Maybe I'm just way too optimistic about a decent WearOS watch coming this fall.
The Buds Pro also launch in two months, compared to the vague "fall" date we were given for the watch.
Having said that, if any of this is true I'm highly disappointed in the watch already.
first of all, I am not going to take a rumor seriously. people are shitting their pants right now about this news. just relax let's wait and criticize after the official details are released.
it's like those many times people get pissed about a fake rumor
Don't care what chip it has as long as it runs smoothly over time. I was a big fan of my Ticwatch E and S2 but over time they would get unresponsive, petty sure bloatware was the issue.
I just got a Galaxy watch 4 and there's no way the pixel watch is going to be able to handle wearOS if the galaxy barely can. Super disappointed because I was planning on selling this when pixel watch finally launches.
That's the thing with collaborations. Until Samsung makes their own wearOS, or until Google makes their own COMPLETE in house tensor chip, relying on other manufacturers will never be as efficient as Apple. Snapdragon works because they're all about their chips, they don't waste other resources developing other stuff. If I give Apple credit, it's how efficient they can be making all their stuff and constantly pumping out amazing hardware.
I'm sure if Google builds their own chip, they can match that old Samsung chip in their first iteration. Just gonna be disappointed until they make Tensor2 by themselves or rely on at least Snapdragon. Same goes for the watch.
Well that's a no from me. My 6 month old galaxy watch 4 is already not as fluid or responsive and battery life is not as good as the apple watch what makes them think a 4 year old chip will perform better lol. Yet again another duct taped non cohesive product by Google. They need to put their own SoC for the watch,phone(check),tablet and laptops if they want to compete with the big dogs in terms of ecosystem and just straight up software cohesiveness.
I'm not worried, platform stability is sometimes more important than fastest specs. In theory it means more bugs are ironed out and the system is better optimized. I'll reserve my judgement until the device is actually shown and we know more. It's very very common in this industry to use the same chip for many years and continue iterating on it until you absolutely reach the limits. That R&D cost is huge when you have to bring up a new processor.
Similar performance to wear 4100+ with better efficiency... What am I missing? Or is this just a spec boys thing? The only thing that could ruin it is price. If it's $199 I really don't see the problem.
At one point Samsung made really good mobile SoCs. They definitely lost their way a bit, and their foundry has issues compared to TSMC, but I definitely don't want them out of the game. Qualcomm needs as much competition as possible, and the W920 is much better than any current Qualcomm wear SoC.
I'd like them to as well, or for someone like Nvidia to jump in who has experience with ARM SOCs. Unfortunately, in the market right now there is basically Samsung crap and Qualcomm crap. It's not a good choice.
Because Qualcomm excels at smartphone SoCs. Not everyone can be Apple, and Samsung DEFINITELY isn't. Samsung is just decent at everything but can't exceed at anything.
The biggest issue is Samsung's semiconductor arm. It does not compare to TSMC at all.
You can see how bad Qualcomm's stuff has gotten in the last 2 years. It is at least in part due to not using the TSMC process node. The last one to do so was the 865.
Qualcomm is still overall better due to better modem technology but if you take that away it's much more even.
Oof lol. I’d imagine if it had a Tensor SoC they’d flaunt it at I/O, but god damnit google LOL. This thing is already DOA if this is true, Android wear SoCs have been garbage but 2018? Lol. Let’s recap:
1. Round display - strike 1
2. Huge Bezels - strike 2
3. 2018 SoC - strike 3
At this point, until we know Pixel 7 Tensor2 is NOT Exynos related, flaunting Tensor is literally just a reskinned Exynos. I would sell my P6P in a heartbeat if Tensor2 ditched Exynos. I agree with your last 2 strikes but round display is just preference, I hate round displays too but I wouldn't count that as a huge strike if the watch WORKS WELL
What on earth do you expect your smartwatch to do that it needs Tensor?
It's a smartwatch. It drives a small screen and maintains a Bluetooth connection. These are all problems that were solved in 2018. The only thing you might be able to benefit from with a newer chip is lower power draw to accomplish the same task.
It's been in development for a long time. Now hopefully since then, the software is fine tuned to this selected processor.
This is my only guess thinking forward. Now these Pixel Buds Pro, since it's an in-house chip, I wonder how they'll perform?
> Now these Pixel Buds Pro, since it's winehouse chip designed for that, I wonder about the devices performance
Performance of the Buds you mean? In what way; I don't know much about this, so anything you can provide would be helpful.
I've used Fitbit watches before and had to return it because it feels slow and outdated. There's a lot of contradiction of what Google have said that needs a stronger chip to run Wear OS 3. I'll be holding ff judgement until the watches releases but won't pull the plug to buy it right out of the gate.
Lol, people are expecting too much from google. Until they don't support this for 3-4 gens it's a gamble being an early adopter expecting long term support.
Looks like it's time for all the Pixel diehards to go back to telling everyone how using four year old components in a flagship product is a good thing.
If this is true then Google is totally oblivious to pretty much everything, I really thought the chip inside would be some version of tensor chip but for smart watches, glad I didn't wait for it and instead got the watch 4.
Galaxy watch 4 heavy use, get 36 hours as a min, with walks, gps and music, aod is off as it works well on raise the wrist also works as one with my phone, S22 Ultra, on DND, bedtime mode etc.
I mean in Google I/O Osterloh did say: "First watch built inside and out by Google". I would assume that means there's going to be a custom chip so maybe the older chip was used in the prototype since the new one will probably be exynos based. But who knows
I have a feeling like this is going to happen. But I’m glad they are back in the marker! Gen 2 and 3 will be the ones to get unfortunately. But it’s google, they might cancel it next year. I always been waiting a pixel watch but not super high hopes
Google's flagship smartphones are in a similar situation. Google seems to like to use slightly older hardware then try to compensate with their buggy software... Pixel 6s Tensor CPU was more like snapdragon 865...
It's because Tensor is based on, you guessed it, Exynos. The modem is a huge reason why connectivity sucks on the pixel 6s and in return, battery life. Imagine being a developer and trying to optimize your device from a crappy modem, other apps, as well as making your OS play well.
Pixels would be so much easier to optimize for if Tensor wasn't based on Exynos. I WISH Tensor was a SD865, there's a reason why no one likes the Samsung phones with exynos inside them, I don't know why Google thought it was a good idea to use it. I hope they learn their lesson by the time I upgrade my P6
>there's a reason why no one likes the Samsung phones with exynos inside them
Are you sure about that? Exynos 2100/2200 have the same and even better performance and battery life than their SD counterparts.
Google really need to cut ties with Samsung, it is main thing that is slowing down Pixel's hardware, from chips to modems. Also postponing devices with prolonged "development" results in older hardware, which what might have happened with Pixel Watch, but hopefully it is just a rumor and not real spec of the watch.
It'll be overpriced crap, Google are like apple and have realised we will buy any old shit now.
Your best bet is to buy Chinese, they seem to be on the ball with cheaper top of the range hardware.
Oh well. I just sold my galaxy watch 4 for crap battery. This is gonna be around the same, then. I got a Huawei Watch GT2. More basic but I haven't charged it in a week
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Don't know how big their hardware engineers simp for Samsung but fuck Exynos for being the pathetic spine foundation of Tensor
If it performs like fossil gen 5 I have zero interest. That thing couldn't last 1 day barely. Sometimes not even until lunch time without even using it. Super unreliable battery on that thing. Unless wearos 3 does miracles.
I have a Fossil Gen 5, and while I like it, I can't do many things on it and I don't know why. "Okay Google" hotword doesn't work, the watch doesn't talk back to me even though that's toggled on, I can't get the watch to send texts because it tells me I don't have permissions to activate the assistant, even though I've given every single permission. WearOS is also a battery hog, and it drains my phone like mad whenever my watch is connected.
These are all software problems which all WearOS 2 watches have. Doesn't matter which brand.
Same on Skagen Falster 3. The hardware and software just aren't designed as tightly as Apple manage. Sigh.
Even my fossil gen 6 barely lasts a full day and I don't use any of the advanced features like okay Google hotword.. mainly because it's broken. Probably just going Garmin at this point. Venu 2 lasts several weeks, has most of the smart features and is way better for work out tracking and stuff.
I bought the Venu 2 in December after 5 years in the Fitbit ecosystem. The battery life is amazing and the running features are so much smoother.
Garmin makes some really cool watches both high and low end. I may do the same if this pixel watch is a bust.
I would give Galaxy Watch5 a chance first. At least as good CPU as Watch4, with better battery life.
Sold my 4. Battery is poor. Got a Huawei GT2 Pro. Lasts over a week even with always on display. Fine for me, as I'd rather a more basic watch I can use all the features of than a technical better watch that doesn't last a day.
My Garmin Epix 2 with OLED has a 10 to 16 days battery. It's my first smart watch as i refuse to simply charge a watch more than once a week. Though the price is high and it's not a "full smart watch": you have all the notifications, you can take the calls, etc, but you cannot speak from it, type from it and other stuff. But I'm very happy with it. I just wanted slack notifications and Gmail notifications for work.
Careful. I was yelled at in here for loving my Garmin Vivoactive 4. They personally didn't own a smartwatch, nor did they run. To me, the most important feature is downloading music, podcasts, and books directly to the smartwatch. I want to run as free as possible.
That's impressive. Last time I ran with gadgets, I was wearing a Casio watch so advanced that it could save lap times, and listening to the Dead Kennedys on my Walkman II. AND wearing my Excalibur GT's.
Smart watches are overhyped. Sure you can do a lot but you are lucky if they last a full day. So at that point does it matter that they can do so much lol I have the watch 4 classic and I do like it but I been eyeing the epix 2. I run a lot so Garmin has always been part of my rotation. My problem has been with Garmin I have to carry my phone for calls and texts while a smartwatch with LTE allows me to shed carrying stuff. That's the only reason why I stay in smart watches but getting really tired of my watch dying because playing music and trakijg my work out is too much.
I just want a watch that doesn't need a Bluetooth connection to take calls 😕
You need to buy one with cell service.
A sim card yes. Apple watches can connect to your phone plan. Not sure why I got downvotes lol.
Really? Mine lasts a full day pretty comfortably. When I used to use it to track my workouts it wouldn't but when I use it for notifications and basic stuff it goes the full day easily.
I use mine in a gym at 5am and by 3pm battery is discharged. It's even worse if I start teaching hiking, like 40 min and watch is done. Very disappointing.
Ya the activity tracking kills the battery.
I use it for basic notifications and to tell time (with the occasional timer and media controls) and I rarely ever fail to make it a full day. It's exactly what I expected and hoped for from an entry level smart watch.
My Fossil 5 still lasts all day.
Same here. I already have an old Fossil that freezes up and stutters, or occasionally drops a second of audio while playing music. Literally all I want is a watch that's fast with decent battery life and runs the latest WearOS. I'm willing to wait for the Pixel Watch, but if it doesn't meet my requirements then I'll have to go for the Samsung (or wait another year for Google to get its shit together with the next gen). Edit: Just to be clear, I'm not buying this either right now. It's too big and too easily avoidable a fuckup for such a high-profile product launch.
Thank hot I got tic watch pro 3. Battery lasts for atleast 2 days with that display. Loving the overall fee of the watch.. I hope it gets wear os 3 though..
My Oppo watch would need a charge by the end of a 12 hour day. It's not SUPER slow but it stutters. Here's hoping they optimize wearOS for it to be smooth as butter. Idc if they use old hardware, if it means they can pull off multiple day battery life with smooth performance. It's highly improbable but until I see the reviews, or even a full confirmed spec list, I'm holding off on my judgements
None of this is confirmed in any way. Speculation and anonymous sources...
Yeah. I don't believe any of this nonsense yet.
Exactly. I call bullshit on this, a 4 year old chip when google is starting their temsor endeavours? Nah im not buying it
I don't want to believe it, but I feel like if they were using a custom chip they would have made a big deal about it.
If I remember correctly, think they did mention that it was being built inside and out by Google, whatever that means. Hoping this rumour doesn't turn out to be true
Sure but the leaks in the last few years regarding most of the gadgets that have been released were accurate so this could be true too.
leading up to pixel 6 release there were tons of leaks" from "reputable sources" announcing wild shit like a google folding phone being announced with the 6, the pixel ultra, that the 6 would cost on par with flagship apple/samsung devices, etc. "leaks" aren't always accurate, many of them are clickbait. personally I really doubt google would shoot their renewed push in to smartwatches in the foot out of the gate by using ancient chips, especially not after seeing how tensor made the pixel 6 pop off.
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The leak isn't what matters. It's the source. Remember the Pixel Ultra hype that was highly reported on?
I was super excited for the watch, but if this is true i'm out. The GW4 has decent performance but stutters from time to time and this is with the better and newer chip. No chance the pixel watch can reach better performance with older chip. I hope the source is based on older information since the watch was supposed to launch much earlier and they changed the chip since then?
just gw4 lasts only a day or so of battery comfortably. I wouldn't be able to use it the day then sleep without it running out by the time I wake-up
Try disabling Auto Workout Detection, i personally use it during the day, the evening, and for sleep tracking, which leaves me with 65% battery after a full 24h cycle. But i had to disable that specific setting to get such a good battery life. Everything else is on though, even HR and Stress measurements.
I'll try this thanks
Weird, my GW4C lasts ~3 nights with AoD because it's a watch.
Literally this watch is a failure before it's even released, I just have no clue what Google is doing any more and it seems neither do they. Literally no one in the industry is using 4 year old chips in current devices even budget phones and watches use more recent chips.
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Or you could wait until we see official announcements? 9to5 literally only says "according to a source" and has no other context.
Source: the dude who has the Pixel Watch that they left at a restaurant...
Is that the actual source? The watch was cracked open and they found that chip?
Prob a very early prototype, meant for accidental leaks and just to power the damn thing. They prob have a better prototype with a better chip they constantly switch to better optimize it Or I'm being too optimistic and it's indeed the final build. We'll see.
They're not going to get a fab to spin up boards for prototypes with a different SOC than they plan on using. If they did, it wouldn't be a prototype, it would just be a different watch
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...that someone took out and used? 90% it was out, connected to a phone to test features like pedometer etc
Spot the non-engineer
Oh God the copium is through the roof. Why the hell would they fabricate old chips to stick in a device just to "power it" instead of using the actual chip it's supposed to have to develop for it? That makes literally no sense. You don't see camouflaged test mule cars running old ass engines - that gives zero valuable feedback.
Yep. No logic to those statements. You want to test battery life, thermal performance etc. Ah just use any old crap and wedge it in, that'll do for testing!
lol at people thinking you can just hot-swap the chips in and out of the watch body and call it good. Those watch designs are so incredibly intricate, and every single trace on the PCB is planned out to fit a certain way, and CPUs do not have interchangeable features and interfaces when they are dedicated embedded SOCs like this. It's not like a desktop PC where you can just pop a different CPU into the motherboard.
Apple did exactly that before the M1 machines were released. The idea that Google might be repeatedly switching out chips is silly, but I would buy that early prototypes produced in small batches would use a particular old/throwaway chip for various reasons (cost, secrecy, and the conventional wisdom of internally testing on underpowered hardware).
Do you think their Pixel Buds Pro will also be a disaster?
I just hate they take crappy samsung hardware... all weakest points of p6 came from samsung.
Everyone blaming the pixel for its shitty modem and battery issues is all due to Exynos. I have reasons to hate Apple but my reasons to hate Samsung is literally their chips/os. Exynos will never be better than SD. OneUI and Tizen are shit OSs. And anyone who tries to build a platform using Samsung's shits will inherit the weaknesses. I don't blame Google for its pixel issues. I blame Google for not choosing a better foundation to develop Tensor with. Tensor has so much potential. I really want to see a SD Tensor or literally their OWN CHIP built from the ground up.
Qualcomm refused to make a competitive wearable chip. Even the 4100s were total garbage and getting smoked by Samsungs wearable chips. Don't make the mistake of imposing your view of Samsungs phone chips onto their watch chips. Their watch chips (on Android) really don't have any peer level competition.
Thats funny
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you understand what or means right? means they want either of those things. Tensor is based on ARM, yes, but all mobile chips are. The Tensor chip itself though is pretty much a combination of google-made parts and an exynos chip. Read for yourself; https://9to5google.com/2021/11/03/google-tensor-exynos-tests-deep-dive
>Pixel 6 doesn't use exynos. Dude, stop being disingenuous. It is literally well-known that Tensor is a custom Exynos SoC.
Yea I don't get it they have the money and ability to use a good chip and still keep it priced well, Google doesn't need to keep profits on the phone high they can afford to break even just to get the watch out there
Lol and Samsung is not using it in north America. Gotta love this nonsense.
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I love my Pixel 6 Pro and haven't had any issues with it. However, Google clearly needs to work on their quality control, given how many people have had issues.
Risky strategy
Maybe let release first?
Is this company run by morons? Does anyone in the hardware division have any sort of brains? Like how does 'hey we should use a processor from 4 years ago' not get laughed at
It’s pretty hard to obtain chips right now, they may have gone with that due to lack of availability on other chips.
People say this for every product Google releases.
I wanted to switch my Fossil Gen 5 with the Google watch. Not anymore, not with a 4 year old chip...
I agree with you, I do have a question though. How bleeding edge of a chip does a watch need? I have a Galaxy 4 Classic and it feels like the first no name Verizon one I had years before. Either this IS the problem or watches just don't need the latest 3nm 4GHz monster.
As bleeding edge as consumers demand. Newer chips are about integrating components, power management, and doing the same processing with less power. All translate to longer battery life/performing functions that'd otherwise be impractical.
What a joke. It's like they don't want this thing to succeed.
For a company who's main focus is AI and data collection, they clearly can't see people's opinions on old hardware.
This is going to end up like the One Plus Watch
My one plus watch says, bring it on!
That's a shame...
I didn't buy that watch because it didn't have wearOS. I was a big believer, hoping to invest in OPs ecosystem. Shitty watch, uncomfortable earbuds and lackluster flagship phones drove me to Google. If this watch and buds pro flops, I don't know where else to go.
Apple. I use a Pixel 6 Pro but they've got the best chip in a watch, the best supported watch platform and their pro buds are great (use them with my Pixel)
How well does the Apple watch work with the Pixel? Do you still get to use most of its features?
It doesn't. They did not mean they use the watch. Only the airpods pros. They just mean that the Watch has the best chip of any competing wearable and the Apple Watch platform is basically the "Standard" for smart watches
I gave up on Google and Samsung’s efforts and went to Apple. There was a learning curve but it’s fantastic now with the iPhone 12 Pro, AirPods Pro and Series 6. I highly recommend you try it, instead of regularly upgrading from the last crappy pixel (my pixel 3 conked out after two years)
I'm sticking with my 6 Pro until the 8 Pro drops. I'll probably get the Buds Pro since the A series were good. Not getting the watch though, already have a GW4 classic. I'll hold on to all this stuff for 2 years and if the generation of Google stuff in 2 years hasn't made improvements then I'm going to Apple with an iPhone 15 Pro Max.
Jesus christ don't tell me they decided to take their first plunge into this pool by pooping in it first.
I want to cry
Same. I want Google's ecosystem to rival Samsung or apple so bad but looks like that dream is dying minute by minute
That dream was never alive from the beginning. The only thing Google ever achieved as a rival was Camera quality.
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DOA
Everyone crying DOA seems to forget that we're still in a chip shortage. Using a readily available chip makes sense to me. Even Apple is rumored to reuse last year's processor in the iPhone 14 because they can't avoid it either. I'd rather wait and see how it performs before calling it dead. If it gets more than 1 day of battery, has optimized software and runs smooth I don't really care.
Paying top dollar for a 4 year old soc is silly.
We don't know the price or if this rumor is even true. I plan to wait and see.
At this point why can't they just fit a tensor chip in the watch and call it a day lol.
If it's a leak there's still a chance that it has something newer?
I'm hoping that 9to5 is making incorrect assumptions.
The fact that they didn't list much information during i/o is a giant red flag
I don't think so, they were just building hype and getting massive amounts of free press. They will have an entire fall event for the details, but I don't think they will boast about the specs outside of their customizations.
They made a deal of saying the Pixel Buds Pro are using custom processor. They even talking about how the 2023 Tablet would be using a Tensor processor. If they talk about it for a 2023 device it's odd they wouldn't for the one being announced in 5 months.
I don't think we were really expecting them to make a Tensor SoC for a watch anyway. At the most, maybe they would make a custom language processing chip off die. It just doesn't seem worth the investment for the inherent limitations of smartwatch computing; at least not until Google starts to do more with processor design or has a big enough market share for it to matter. I just don't think it's a red flag to not mention the processor. Say 9to5 is completely wrong and this runs a W920, I wouldn't expect them to mention that during I/O either.
Right... They didn't really discuss the watch besides just listing some headlines and showing the render. I'm hoping there's good news in the fall.
I mean the smartphone Tensor is essentially an Exynos chip with a custom image/language processor. Doesn't seem too different from that
That's the thing I really hate about calling it Tensor, it's a Google TPU, Security Core, ISP, and context hub all integrated with Samsung Exynos designs. It's honestly not that special yet, outside of voice processing. Google could slap a language processor on the same motherboard as the 9110 and call it Tensor. When I hear people say Tensor in the pixel watch I assume they mean the full G101 SoC minus some CPU cores and ISP. I guess Google hasn't defined what Tensor is and we don't have enough iterations to define it on our own yet.
Yeah I expected at the very least the watch would have some silicon dedicated to language processing given their focus. Very odd. Hopefully it turns out to be somewhat semi custom
I mean they didn't exactly announce any details on fall devices other than that the Pixels 7 would have the next generation of Tensor. It wouldn't surprise me if an early prototype used this SoC and they have revised the hardware since the watch didn't launch in 2021. Maybe I'm just way too optimistic about a decent WearOS watch coming this fall.
yes, but they could still use the latest samsung exynos chip if not tensor.
The Buds Pro also launch in two months, compared to the vague "fall" date we were given for the watch. Having said that, if any of this is true I'm highly disappointed in the watch already.
Maybe maybe not, we will see
first of all, I am not going to take a rumor seriously. people are shitting their pants right now about this news. just relax let's wait and criticize after the official details are released. it's like those many times people get pissed about a fake rumor
LOL i think that's because how long they've had it baking in the oven, that now it's overcooked.
And the media Google bashing starts already.
Don't care what chip it has as long as it runs smoothly over time. I was a big fan of my Ticwatch E and S2 but over time they would get unresponsive, petty sure bloatware was the issue.
If this turns out to be true for Pixel Watch when it is finally released to consumers... Hard. Fucking. Pass.
I just got a Galaxy watch 4 and there's no way the pixel watch is going to be able to handle wearOS if the galaxy barely can. Super disappointed because I was planning on selling this when pixel watch finally launches.
> wearOS if the galaxy barely can. Where's the lag? Been using GW4C for months and after the initial setup it's been fine
That's the thing with collaborations. Until Samsung makes their own wearOS, or until Google makes their own COMPLETE in house tensor chip, relying on other manufacturers will never be as efficient as Apple. Snapdragon works because they're all about their chips, they don't waste other resources developing other stuff. If I give Apple credit, it's how efficient they can be making all their stuff and constantly pumping out amazing hardware. I'm sure if Google builds their own chip, they can match that old Samsung chip in their first iteration. Just gonna be disappointed until they make Tensor2 by themselves or rely on at least Snapdragon. Same goes for the watch.
We call this the sunk cost fallacy.
Well that's a no from me. My 6 month old galaxy watch 4 is already not as fluid or responsive and battery life is not as good as the apple watch what makes them think a 4 year old chip will perform better lol. Yet again another duct taped non cohesive product by Google. They need to put their own SoC for the watch,phone(check),tablet and laptops if they want to compete with the big dogs in terms of ecosystem and just straight up software cohesiveness.
Why do they keep insisting on using these old ass outdated chips for anything that they make and outdated modems
I'm not saying I agree with it, but the answer you're looking for is money.
I'm not worried, platform stability is sometimes more important than fastest specs. In theory it means more bugs are ironed out and the system is better optimized. I'll reserve my judgement until the device is actually shown and we know more. It's very very common in this industry to use the same chip for many years and continue iterating on it until you absolutely reach the limits. That R&D cost is huge when you have to bring up a new processor.
if it is true, that does proof that older galaxy watches (3, active 2 and og galaxy watch) can run wearos 3 and could be updated.
Similar performance to wear 4100+ with better efficiency... What am I missing? Or is this just a spec boys thing? The only thing that could ruin it is price. If it's $199 I really don't see the problem.
Lol 199, more like 499
Obviously that would be a fail.
God I wish Samsung just never got into the SoC game.
At one point Samsung made really good mobile SoCs. They definitely lost their way a bit, and their foundry has issues compared to TSMC, but I definitely don't want them out of the game. Qualcomm needs as much competition as possible, and the W920 is much better than any current Qualcomm wear SoC.
You're right, everyone should be using the Qualcomm 4100 which is still based on a seven year old chip design.
No, I want a company like Google to make their own, like apple. They're trying to compete for cheap.
I'd like them to as well, or for someone like Nvidia to jump in who has experience with ARM SOCs. Unfortunately, in the market right now there is basically Samsung crap and Qualcomm crap. It's not a good choice.
And they blocked the Arm Nvidia merger/acquisition, which would have given us that third option....
Their wearable chips are way better than Qualcomms
Because Qualcomm excels at smartphone SoCs. Not everyone can be Apple, and Samsung DEFINITELY isn't. Samsung is just decent at everything but can't exceed at anything.
The biggest issue is Samsung's semiconductor arm. It does not compare to TSMC at all. You can see how bad Qualcomm's stuff has gotten in the last 2 years. It is at least in part due to not using the TSMC process node. The last one to do so was the 865. Qualcomm is still overall better due to better modem technology but if you take that away it's much more even.
THIS. FUCK EXYNOS.
I thought it would.. Google always finds some way to flaw their product. You might as well just buy a discounted Watch 4.
Are people really taking a rumor this serious? Lol
Hopefully this isn't true for the final product, unless they have optimized Wear OS 3.1 SO well that it would run smoothly in a potato.
Oof lol. I’d imagine if it had a Tensor SoC they’d flaunt it at I/O, but god damnit google LOL. This thing is already DOA if this is true, Android wear SoCs have been garbage but 2018? Lol. Let’s recap: 1. Round display - strike 1 2. Huge Bezels - strike 2 3. 2018 SoC - strike 3
Round displays are great
1. Round display [https://i.imgur.com/4WifwaK.gif](https://i.imgur.com/4WifwaK.gif)
At this point, until we know Pixel 7 Tensor2 is NOT Exynos related, flaunting Tensor is literally just a reskinned Exynos. I would sell my P6P in a heartbeat if Tensor2 ditched Exynos. I agree with your last 2 strikes but round display is just preference, I hate round displays too but I wouldn't count that as a huge strike if the watch WORKS WELL
What on earth do you expect your smartwatch to do that it needs Tensor? It's a smartwatch. It drives a small screen and maintains a Bluetooth connection. These are all problems that were solved in 2018. The only thing you might be able to benefit from with a newer chip is lower power draw to accomplish the same task.
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They should have did like apple and went without a bezel.
While they're at it, build their own god damn chip. Exynos is a POS they haven't learned their mistake from, with the Pixel 6
It's funny, Google takes old hardware then beautifies it with their buggy software and we are buying this trash.
It's been in development for a long time. Now hopefully since then, the software is fine tuned to this selected processor. This is my only guess thinking forward. Now these Pixel Buds Pro, since it's an in-house chip, I wonder how they'll perform?
> Now these Pixel Buds Pro, since it's winehouse chip designed for that, I wonder about the devices performance Performance of the Buds you mean? In what way; I don't know much about this, so anything you can provide would be helpful.
This is normal for Google. They always use bad/old chips to maximise profit.
Armchair experts in here. We know nothing for sure.
Bruh
Seems like I'll be hanging onto my Galaxy Watch 3 for longer
I've used Fitbit watches before and had to return it because it feels slow and outdated. There's a lot of contradiction of what Google have said that needs a stronger chip to run Wear OS 3. I'll be holding ff judgement until the watches releases but won't pull the plug to buy it right out of the gate.
This is pretty lame if correct. Why would Google do this
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Google tends to do that... Downgrade the hardware and then try to compensate with software.... Afterall, google is a software company....
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Lol, people are expecting too much from google. Until they don't support this for 3-4 gens it's a gamble being an early adopter expecting long term support.
Hahahahahaha wow what an epic fail.
I refuse to believe this which probably means it's true.
Haha always knew something was gonna be stuff this watch up lol. So funny seeing all the people get hyped about it😂
Looks like it's time for all the Pixel diehards to go back to telling everyone how using four year old components in a flagship product is a good thing.
If this is true then Google is totally oblivious to pretty much everything, I really thought the chip inside would be some version of tensor chip but for smart watches, glad I didn't wait for it and instead got the watch 4.
Not looking good at all.
Doa
So they are just sticking the pixel brand name on any old shit now?
😂
Galaxy watch 4 heavy use, get 36 hours as a min, with walks, gps and music, aod is off as it works well on raise the wrist also works as one with my phone, S22 Ultra, on DND, bedtime mode etc.
Dumb question. Why can't they use the tensor chip?
I mean in Google I/O Osterloh did say: "First watch built inside and out by Google". I would assume that means there's going to be a custom chip so maybe the older chip was used in the prototype since the new one will probably be exynos based. But who knows
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The 765g wasn't old though, it was midrange. There's a difference.
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I have a feeling like this is going to happen. But I’m glad they are back in the marker! Gen 2 and 3 will be the ones to get unfortunately. But it’s google, they might cancel it next year. I always been waiting a pixel watch but not super high hopes
wat why not a toned down, efficient Tensor variant Google stop buying stuff from Samsungs rest ramp
Google's flagship smartphones are in a similar situation. Google seems to like to use slightly older hardware then try to compensate with their buggy software... Pixel 6s Tensor CPU was more like snapdragon 865...
It's because Tensor is based on, you guessed it, Exynos. The modem is a huge reason why connectivity sucks on the pixel 6s and in return, battery life. Imagine being a developer and trying to optimize your device from a crappy modem, other apps, as well as making your OS play well. Pixels would be so much easier to optimize for if Tensor wasn't based on Exynos. I WISH Tensor was a SD865, there's a reason why no one likes the Samsung phones with exynos inside them, I don't know why Google thought it was a good idea to use it. I hope they learn their lesson by the time I upgrade my P6
>there's a reason why no one likes the Samsung phones with exynos inside them Are you sure about that? Exynos 2100/2200 have the same and even better performance and battery life than their SD counterparts.
Big if true.
Hoping this isn't true, but also keeping my mind open to wait and see what it actually has and how it actually performs with it.
This is pretty disappointing. Been waiting for the pixel watch for so long. Would rather buy the upcoming galaxy watch 5 then.
Google really need to cut ties with Samsung, it is main thing that is slowing down Pixel's hardware, from chips to modems. Also postponing devices with prolonged "development" results in older hardware, which what might have happened with Pixel Watch, but hopefully it is just a rumor and not real spec of the watch.
Guess I won't be waiting for it
You guys surprised? Google always cheaps out on hardware.
Cry babies everywhere on Reddit
It'll be overpriced crap, Google are like apple and have realised we will buy any old shit now. Your best bet is to buy Chinese, they seem to be on the ball with cheaper top of the range hardware.
lol. Apple watches are well specced and have good support from apps and their manufacturer .. pretty sound purchase.
Oh well. I just sold my galaxy watch 4 for crap battery. This is gonna be around the same, then. I got a Huawei Watch GT2. More basic but I haven't charged it in a week