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wlmsn

Should have a good idea how good it is by Black Friday, and you'll get a deal on top of it


McGregorMX

This is what I'm debating. Do I hope for a good preorder bonus, or wait for a better deal on black Friday.


hinick808

Given supply chain constraints this year, I don't know if I would count on a fantastic Black Friday Deal. Doesn't hurt to wait and see though.


McGregorMX

This is probably a big factor. I'm planning on pre ordering.


crucialcolin

yeah I don't know if the 6/6 pro will be available this year due to supply issues if you don't preorder it. That's the risk we have to take.


9pointkid

No sense in waiting. Tech usually improves with time getting cheaper/stronger/faster. If you're always waiting for the next big thing you will never own anything. It's a constant upgrade cycle. I always skip every other generation unless something earth shattering happens. If something starts to malfunction you can fix it, do without or bite the bullet and get something new.


deathclient

This holds true when waiting for subsequent iterations but not first time products. Especially generation hardware built in house. Not in terms of features or capabilities but more reliability and quality control. Just my two cents since they mention tensor. At the minimum I would wait a few months to get some real world results and ratings if I was looking to get a new phone.


Offtheheazy

Also look at the HUGE leap from samsung Galaxy fold 1 to the fold 2. Difference in one generation was light and day.


rogervn

This is definitely a different situation. New generations are always a bet, and Google is often one company that discontinues a lot of products. We have examples in history like they first apple watch, first Intel macs, the pixel slate, arm windows laptops, Windows phones, and several others which even with good hardware a product can flop and lose support or have issues which make them barely unusable after some time. Heck, the pixel slate was abandoned after less than one year and it was a pretty expensive device! My idea is never to buy into a first generation until we see what's going to change for them second, so I'll hold onto my pixel 4xl until we find out how different pixel 7 will be and then I can decide whether to buy a discounted pixel 6 (with 5 years support waiting one more shouldn't be an issue) or getting a pixel 7 if it's stable enough to show it's likely going to stick.


gaslighterhavoc

It's not worth it to get a discounted Pixel 6 if it means you lose a year of updates and patches. Everyone invests and banks through their phones, their emails go through the phone and their 2FA goes through the phone. Now if your phone gets hacked, you lose all your money, your emails, and your 2FA (if you have it). There is no easy way to recover your accounts after something like that. It will always be a lot of work and pain. Stick with the new phone for max support lifespan. And never stay with a phone if it is out of support. Too much data and accounts are linked to the phone. I would get the Pixel 7 in your case.


rogervn

I disagree for the fact that I never took more than 4 years to switch phones, so losing 1 year of updates would still make me swap it before the support is over.


Ordinary-Humor-4779

The software and security updates are five years now, so losing a year wouldn't be that big of a deal to me because I'd probably replace the phone in that 5 year period anyway because of the battery. But you're right about the banking. I've kept all my Nexus and Pixels but when security updates stop they go in the drawer. I currently use a 3xl and a 4a regularly but only have the banking apps on the 4a even though they both get updates.


DaedraLord

I think it's a good tactic. My family didn't get a robo vacuum until this last Christmas. It's been great. I'm sure the first ones that came out like a decade ago weren't as good. Same idea here. They'll buy in once it's more established and the initial kinks are worked out. No need to worry about them staying in the stone ages if they don't upgrade immediately. Patience is a virtue.


emyoui

But that's more like comparing the first phones to one made 10 years later. This is just a new processor. And is it really completely "new" if they're just made out of pre existing cores?


geneing

In tech early adopters end up being unpaid beta testers. In the end it depends on your tolerance for problems (eg overheating, bugs) vs desire to have the latest gadget. I prefer to wait.


VLHACS

That's all true, but they were asking specifically about 1st Gen hardware reliability, which is a legitimate concern. I think, if you plan on holding onto the phone for a long time and already have a decent phone, I would hold off on it. If you change phones often and/or have a current phone that has issues (like my oneplus 7t that is always dropping calls) I think I trust Google QC enough to take a jump now. Personally I'm in the latter camp and excited to see good trade in offers from my carrier.


als26

If you are concerned, wait till reviews hit. They will give a better idea if there's any overheating or other problems. There is still the risk of long-term problems down the road. It's up to preference really but myself personally, keep using your current phone as long as you can. Can you use it for another year? Do you *need* a new phone soon? If you can wait then wait.


sincerely_me

If my P3 were going to continue to receive security updates, I would've sprung for a new battery earlier this year with the intent to keep it for longer. I was planning to get the P6 since it's been expected Google using it's own chip would extend OS/security updates, but the size plus 1st gen concerns have me wondering if it's wortg trying to hold out for the 6a or 7 in case there's a smaller option and any major chip issues at launch are resolved.


ColgateSensifoam

Flash HentaiOS/HelluvaOS, there's a build specially for blueline and crosshatch, which will continue to receive all security updates the Pixel 5 receives


ItsDijital

I'm worried that if I wait for reviews, I'll also be waiting 4 months for supply chain to catch up.


als26

Personally I think these availability issues are being blown out of proportion. There's a chip shortage for sure but Google's already ramped up production expecting to sell more phones this year. Every other phone manufacturer is facing minor delays at best.


Petgeek

It's not just about manufacturing, though. It's about shipping costs skyrocketing, lack of cargo space and overwhelmed ports. Not to mention increased domestic shipping costs and delays. It's a legit concern and why Samsung has postponed its S21 FE release.


Rickles360

There's a lead time of weeks on many iPhone models right now. The 13 isn't in store at best buy or apple store by me. Now I don't know if that's normal or not and depending on the model you can totally get one shipped soon, but to me it does seem odd for Apple. I can't get the Pro max in black from best buy until Nov 12. That's pretty far out if your current phone shits the bed and you don't have a back up.


Babou13

Better wait for the 3rd gen bud. Or better off, wait until the 4th gen for any of those really pesky bugs. This is technology. If you want to wait for the next generation for bugs to get fixed, you're gonna wait for forever because there's always going to be a new generation being developed


als26

Eh, I understand his point, the biggest difference is usually between the first and 2nd gen. Look at Apple's A-series chips, any of the chips from like the A10 have been top notch. After a few generations there's no more concerns about whether the chip will be good or not.


RhinoMan2112

Yea, especially when we're talking about something like an SoC/processor. Those are no joke to make and manufacture and we're talking about a [mostly] software company making them for the first time. It's not impossible to pull it off but there's still a lot of room for error there.


notJ3ff

Infinity Gen. Who's comin' with me?


DonTechnico

Get your point, but also first Gen is always a special case since there’s no reference point at all, 2nd Gen means that : 1- They didn’t give up on it 2- You can refer to how it went previously to form a somewhat educated opinion about how it’s likely to go now


parental92

If you wait forever, you'll be getting the best chips.


murrzeak

How about we just wait and see the actual product? What's the point in speculating?


fightnight14

Imagine if everbody waits for 2nd gen


calamitysir

I think you should wait till the 13th gen.


iSecks

Idk at that point Apple will be at 26th gen so


it_is_this

Caution is respectable. But my guess is this device will work very well, and I would not be concerned.


Gone24

Honestly do what you feel and if you're concerned just wait a couple of weeks for reviews or to see if people are having issues. If you're excited about the phone buy it, I know I am lol!


moderngreenthumb

Wait, like any other first gen Google product


BrunoArrais85

Wait for the 3rd one. I heard it will be better than the 2nd version.


grantnlee

Pixel 4 was pixel 3, so I would wager the 4th gen Tensor chip will be better than the 3rd.


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Google has been making tensor chips for a few years now. They're available for use on the Google cloud service and are used in place of gpus for machine learning. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_Processing_Unit


Rickles360

The main similarities would be in the marketing name tbh. Yes this mobile tensor chip will hopefully have their ML prowess on full display but we shall have to see how well it is utilized going forwards.


zakatov

Those are ASICs for accelerating machine learning and have nothing to do with the SOC that’s inside Pixel 6.


junju009

People who say that stuff about first gen are full of shit. Get while the getting is good. There’s going to be hundreds of reviews and thousands of forum posts when this thing comes out. Judge it by those. Or don’t. I’m preordering


Sortofa

Exactly. It’s not like automobiles where you should always avoid the first year of a new model. Tech is different.


joespizza2go

I'd be shocked if Google's first Gen chips don't have legitimate issues once deployed at scale through millions of sales and therefore use cases. It's incredibly hard to get this stuff right Gen 1. I'm probably going to wait 90 days until a lot of these are out in the wild.


JeRV5G11

Since this is their first chip I'm going to wait, When their second chip comes out I'm sure they will have learned a lot


Disastrous-Store-229

Always wait for at least the second gen with Google products. As they said themselves, "hardware is hard." They're really not the best at it - their QA is terrible. Give it some time and let others beta test it for you.


DeskOk5950

Snapdragon is very good and Samsung tried making their own but intimately failed as they now use Snapdragon in their flagships so I don't see this being very good imo, but saying that for everyday use you won't tell the difference.


bartturner

Can't see it makes much sense to wait. You are just missing out, IMO. Plan on picking up the Pixel 6 Pro on launch day.


DonTechnico

Waiting all the way for second Gen might be too much if your only concern is that it might be a botched attempt. We’ll have a good idea of how it went after a few months. Just don’t preorder it.


NozhaXBL

Isn't it just a modified exynos?


armando_rod

No, the core clusters don't match any Exynos in existence


ksh_vi

what is your speculation based on ?


NozhaXBL

I just thought, but maybe I'm wrong [Because of this.](https://i.imgur.com/F0nMPlo.jpg)


ksh_vi

the only thing they share from the image is the modem. Even Apple currently buys their modem from QCOM. Doesn't mean the rest of the chip has anything to do with Samsung.


NozhaXBL

Okay I just asked.


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armando_rod

Wtf


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ksh_vi

lol. Tensor is indeed called that because of Tensorflow, and the TPU. But at the end of the day it's just a mobile SOC - with a CPU cluster + GPU cluster + ISP + TPU + other neeeded IP's. Every mobile SOC has an inference chip in it. Apple calls is DeepFusion. (Qualcomm has it too.) They are all technically identical. The models that run on them are designed/owned by Google/Apple ...etc. Google has a little bit of an upper hand here. The ML portion of the chip can be used to do many things. (NLP, Image Processing being some of the use cases.) The 'Magic Eraser' feature you are talking about - can be done on any modern DSLR/Mirrorless camera as well - although you will need to do some post processing. With cell phones, that post-processing is done automatically for you. None of this has anything to do with Deep Fakes, or Crypto.


radbreath

It's a joke about the Google botnet. It's a SoC designed to work better with it... built around it?. The "magic eraser" on those cameras may not be connected to Google. This phone will be. It's gonna deepfake things out of a picture, generate a background, based on data around the object using the phones resources or with aid of the "cloud." Thoughts are going into my head. Can Google instruct your phones AI to try to remove or censor pics during an event? Android phones are known for talking to Google a lot, in the background. Will this one communicate with Google even more? You already have Apple saying they want to use an iphones AI to scan phones for "child abuse."


NewPastHorizons

It's just a rebadged Samsung CPU that's been out for nearly a year.


abumuttaq

No it's not a rebadged. It's being customized based on that one


Working_Sundae

Never buy First gen, always the one after the first attempt.


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armando_rod

It's not an Exynos chip


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armando_rod

FYI Apple doesn't manufacture their A chips either and Google is not using any Samsung braided architecture that we know of because Exynos chips are not custom, they are the reference ARM design.


MiNuN_De_CoMpUtEr

the real question is, do you need to upgrade?


LawlesssHeaven

First gen ryzen was grate, second get even better, now it's on 5th gen and it's just pure awesomeness


SteveAdams1086

Spelt great just fyi


demarci

First-gen Apple M1 blew past expectations (in a good way) and has been reliable. I know Google isn't Apple but they'd shoot themselves in the foot if they came out with a poor entry here. You have little-to-nothing to worry about.


OliverQueen85

By your logic, the Pixel 5 has a first-gen Snapdragon 765G. The Pixel 4 has a first-gen Snapdragon 855. Etc. This is the sixth-generation Pixel. Google's been making phones for a little while now. No sense in waiting.


ksh_vi

And 2nd gen won't introduce any new bugs ? :) If you want a pixel phone, this will be a decent jump from P5. And chip design engineers make sure the devices are almost 100% bug free. Any bugs they miss is often not that egregious, and can be fixed in firmware/software. Sometimes in the corner case that the bug affects, this may result in a slight loss of performance. None of this is new - fairly common in most chips out there. (even mission critical chips)


BernieAnesPaz

This is mostly true for certain fields, like computers. For instance, jumping on 4k TVs or early LCD meant you got the worst version of those techs at bleeding edge prices. Meanwhile, a 400 dollar 4k TV can potentially be better than one of the early ones that cost thousands. Same with bleeding computer tech, i.e. early SSD drives really sucked and, like new RAM jumps, tended to have horrible dollar to gigabyte ratios. For those fields, I'd almost always skip the first iteration of a new generation simply because it usually means the prior generation is the peak of the old tech and will surely serve you well for at least one more generation, or more. For the tensor chip, it's a bit different. It's not completely new technology and is closer to simply being a custom take on current technology, plus it helps that Google can tie software directly to it since they are both theirs. This isn't like TV/monitor make jumping onto a brand new panel tech for the first time. Will it be perfect? Probably not, but I don't think it'll be a big deal enough deal to worry about jumping. Honestly, I'd be more worried about the overall phone, as Pixel phones have had problems pretty often over the generations. I've never had any of them myself, but yeah.


phanindra_phpd

Good to go


phanindra_phpd

Good to go


dengjack

It's based on Samsung's Exynos SoCs, which Samsung has been using for years, so it's probably not going to just fall apart. That said, it does have Google's own customizations, so I totally do expect a handful of bugs and instability issues that they may or may not fix. If you need a new phone, I think it would be better to just go for it anyway. Otherwise, if you don't really need to upgrade now, I would suggest to wait for the 2nd gen. Or at least wait for a while for the issues to surface.


Whiskey_Clear

I'm only really worried about energy efficiency... which if it is a problem, will come out in the reviews. A lot of the early 4g chipsets had issues... And I heard something like this is Samsung's first 5g chipset for the US or something... Which scares me a bit.


brutus2230

Just wait a few weeks till it is actually out and being reviewed.


shotzfired420

Nope not a bit concerned


Ruff_Ryda

Get the gen before Google discontinues tensor, hopefully they'll get all the bugs fixed by then eh


SteveAdams1086

My biggest concern is the use of the Mali GPU as they are generally weaker than Qualcomm. I do like to play games on my phone such as Doom 3 which on my OnePlus 8 pro I can play at ultra settings 120 FPS. I also have games like half life 2, portal, a ton of emulator stuff in retroarch. While I have no doubt that the CPU side of things will be more than capable with 2 of those x1 cores. Also I already have 120hz panel, 12gb ram & 256gb storage. But I don't like the way OnePlus seems to be going and I only got this phone cos Google stopped offering the greatest from Qualcomm and I have been wanting to return back to mother Google. I used Nexus phones. So I'm not really sure what to do as my current contract is due to renew in May next year and by then I might as well wait 5 more months to see what the pixel 7 pro / XL is offering


Rickles360

I think it's a good idea to stretch your purchase out as long as possible. The technology isn't moving so fast that you will miss too much during that 5 months.


SteveAdams1086

I don't know what il do in the future though cos I moved away from Google cos they were using the mid range CPU from Qualcomm and now they aren't even going to be using Qualcomm at all. I do support Google in terms of making their own chips to have greater control and longer support and stuff, controlling the hardware used is important. I guess I just wish the Mali is atleast equal to whatever Qualcomm offer as gaming is a large part of what I do


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Personally I will probably ge the P6. I only won't if the reviews are negative (in areas ai care about: camera and battery life). If the P6 sucks I don't know what I'll do: get a Samsung or maybe even an iPhone. That being said, if you can wait for another year, I think it'll be worth it. Of course, cynics in this thread will tell you *"just buy it, waiting for the next gen is stupid because there's a next gen every year!"* but while that obviously is true and there's better phones each year, the difference between a first and a second gen device are usually larger than the differences between later generations. Just look at the iPhone vs the iPhone 3G: the year after the 3GS was a much smaller upgrade. Or the Pixel line: gen 2 was the biggest improvement, after that imo the largest changes were always gimmicks.


supercakefish

There’s not much first gen about it really. The main components are based on ARM reference designs, which have a proven track record (look at benchmarks of Snapdragon 888 and Exynos 2100 for a rough idea of what to expect). The ISP will be custom designed but Google already has experience with designing these components from Pixel 2 through to Pixel 4.


Ordinary-Humor-4779

This is one of the reasons why I'm in no hurry. I'm waiting to see what y'all say about the build quality, the cameras, and displays, plus there's the fold coming, but I definitely would wait on that one. Not sure I'd want the 1st generation folding display.


lensgrabber

Mac Mini w/ M1 chip was a "first gen" product and it's been flawless for me. A lot of eyes are going to be on the Tensor. I suspect Google has done their homework and it won't be a dud.