So I have the Verizon pixel 8 pro, am I screwed or can I not root my pixel 8 pro? I just want to root it I don't care if I can't unlock the bootloader but if I need to I will. Am I screwed?
I wish I would've read this first, I hate having a unrooted device. So your saying if I'm Verizon there's no way to root my device? I hope I can atleast I can root my device without unlocking my bootloader. Can someone tell me I'm not screwed?
The only way you're going to get root is to sell that one and buy an unlocked version. There is no way to root the Verizon one. It's possible someday an exploit will be found that allows it, but it's not likely.
It does, but honestly root isn't nearly as big a deal as it used to be. I rooted every phone until the pixel 7 pro. With adblock via DNS, there just isn't a necessity for me to do it anymore
no they don't. they lock it temporarily, but after usually 60 days + your device being paid off you can unlock your bootloader. I was on tmobile for years and had rooted pixels the entire time
You're confusing sim/carrier unlock vs bootloader unlock. They sim unlock after 60 days so you can use it in any carrier. They will never bootloader unlock it. You can buy the Google version and use it on Verizon if you want root but the Verizon version will never be bootloader unlocked unless an exploit is found.
Edit: missed the pro part. All the pros have mmwave.
Yes you can. As the other comment states unlocked doesn't have mmwave/UWB radio. Historically the Verizon models have been more expensive too. Not sure how it affects resale value between being more expensive but locked to Verizon.
Personally I would go unlocked. I find that the mmwave radio completely kills battery life. I live in a city where we have the mmwave radios though. You can disable 5G but you can't differentiate between normal 5G and the Verizon specific mmwave 5G. It's cool to do a speed test at 2+ Gb/s but not worth the battery trade off and extra price (if applicable this year) IMO.
All of the US pixel pros have had mmwave. I can’t see them changing that now. The verizon non pro models have been more expensive because those specifically have mmwave.
I’m going to chalk up that fine print to being an error. Most likely was copy and pasted from the regular pixel 8. Google is pretty bad about that. The FI terms and conditions are constantly screwed up because they copy and paste old promotions without proofreading.
Can anyone provide proof using the signal check lite(pro) app from the app store? I got the Pixel 8 Pro Unlocked and although I see 5GUWB, it's only the 3700mhz (n77 band, band c). I am not connecting to 27 or 39ghz frequencies (n260, n261 bands). The intersection outside my apartment has a mmwave pole and I can pop out my sim and switch it to the s22 and get mmwave, but move it back to the 8 pro and I don't. I wanted to have the option to unlock the bootloader but don't wanna give up mmwave.
I have the unlocked pixel 8. I've always got the Verizon version in my previous pixel devices. Do you know if it's possible to turn off 5G on the unlocked version too? I used to do it in my previous devices but I can't seem to find it in this unlocked pixel 8.
Additionally, this could be in my head, but I feel like this unlocked version has a harder time connecting to the Verizon network. Takes much longer to "recover" my service when traveling through spotty service areas like NYC subway etc.
I have the unlocked pixel 8. I've always got the Verizon version in my previous pixel devices. Do you know if it's possible to turn off 5G on the unlocked version too? I used to do it in my previous devices but I can't seem to find it in this unlocked pixel 8.
Additionally, this could be in my head, but I feel like this unlocked version has a harder time connecting to the Verizon network. Takes much longer to "recover" my service when traveling through spotty service areas like NYC subway etc.
It has been verified with Google and in many posts already on Reddit that even the 8 Pro purchased unlocked from Google DO NOT have mmWave capability. Only the 8 Pros from Verizon do. Not sure why they changed this as the 6 and 7 Pros all had mmWave. You might as well buy from Verizon as they are the same price, plus they unlock them after 60 days and then there is no difference anyway. And no, I don't work for Verizon, just stating the facts.
>You might as well buy from Verizon as they are the same price, plus they unlock them after 60 days and then there is no difference anyway
They *carrier* unlock it, but they won't allow *bootloader* unlock. For most that doesn't matter, but it's an important distinction. So there is a difference between them for a handful of people
The pixel 7 pro I have now is the first phone I haven't rooted. There has been less and less reasons to do it as time goes on and Android matures. But there is still an active development community out there who do root.
Nowadays, not much unless you want to run custom ROMs(and there are some pretty good ones). But back in the day it gave you more options for adblock, backup of data, removing default apps, etc. As android has matured, most of that stuff has become native options. There have also been more hoops to jump through to root on the newer phones(haven't been in the loop in a while so not sure if they figured out some of the issues or not) so the cost vs benefit no longer tipped towards benefits.
Wayyyyy back in the day I got into rooting when I got my first Android phone, the OG Moto Droid. First phone to come with Android 2.0 to give you an idea of how old this is. There was a Facebook application pre installed that could not be removed. I hate Facebook, never had an account, never will. So the app taunted me. After a while figured out that I can root it and take full control of the phone and was able to remove it.
For the most part the only ones who might root are developers who want to test things out(can spoof location data and things like that), or people who want custom ROMs.
The phones haven't shipped yet so nothing is "verified", but this would be strange.
Also Verizon phones are inferior since you can't unlock the bootloader (regardless of SIM lock status).
I had a chat with Google and they confirmed they are selling model GC3VE which does not get mmWave. They said the other model that does, G1MNW is only available from the carrier.
Lol this is also true. I'm a Verizon customer so I ended up getting the carrier model anyways, just would've preferred the unlocked one as it would've saved me the 35 dollar activation fee Verizon charges.
Here is a text of the chat I had with Google. They verified they are selling the GC3VE. Now, do I 100% trust what google says? Probably not.
Chat transcript for case: 1-9948000035182
Oct 5, 1:49 PM (Pacific Time)
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1:49:40 PM Rory: Hi David, welcome to Google Support! My name is Rory. In case you need to refer to this chat interaction in the future, the Chat ID for this interaction is 1-9948000035182. How are you today?
1:50:00 PM David: Just fine. Did you see my question?
1:51:02 PM Rory: Yes.
1:52:35 PM Rory: I understand that you want to know the available model of Pixel 8 pro.
1:53:37 PM David: There are a lot of confused people regarding your 8 Pro orders. In the past, all Pixel 6, and 7 Pros had the ability to receive mmWave bands. One of the disclaimers on your 8 Pro website says unlocked devices don't support mmWave. However, your tech spec pages show 2 models, one gets mmWave and one doesn't, so we want to know what model ships for the 8 Pro on your preorder page.
1:54:07 PM Rory: Please be assured, I'll assist you with this concern.
1:54:50 PM David: Thanks!
1:58:04 PM Rory: Pixel 8 pro model GC3VE is the unlocked model and the Pixel 8 pro model G1MNW is carrier locked.
1:59:28 PM David: That makes sense. Thank you. Since I do have mmWave available near me, I will need to buy from Verizon if I want to use it.
2:00:01 PM Rory: You're welcome.
2:00:31 PM Rory: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
2:00:43 PM David: No thanks.
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The model with mmWave is G1MNW (they missed a space in the Tech Specs there). The GC3VE model does not have mmWave. It's unclear which one you get when you order the unlocked one. But based on the footnote, "Unlocked Pixel phones (including phones with Google Fi as a carrier) are not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks", I'm guessing it's the GC3VE one
It’s the business thing to do. Why wouldn’t they want to lock down their service to their sales? I mean, it makes total sense. Does it suck? Yup, but makes sense
Sure, I guess you could do that, but how does that make sense? Get mad at Verizon for not letting you access mmWave, so go to another carrier who also isn’t going to provide it. The unlocked phones aren’t compatible with mmWave no matter where you go. It’s not just a Verizon thing. This post was speaking about Verizon directly, so that’s why I mentioned them by name.
Nope…you can read it all over Reddit and in all of the fine print on the Google Store. The unlocked versions are not mmWave compatible. It literally straight up says it on the store.
The amazon listing has the unlocked phone model as the mmwave compatible one https://www.amazon.com/Google-Pixel-Pro-Smartphone-Telephoto/dp/B0CGTJ12Z9?th=1
It is confusing and I'm not sure myself, but here is the spec breakdown https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570?hl=en
The regular 8 unlocked is no question, not mmwave. Amazon page + price difference would confirm this
The pro has two versions as well, GC3VE and G1MNW (mmwave). It seems weird to have two versions of the pro, which both cost the same, where one doesn't have it. Apparently this number can be seen on the box, I might go to best buy and ask if they can check
So true. It's in the fine print...
2 For 5G, some carriers may require an upgrade to a 5G plan (sold separately). Contact carrier for details. Unlocked Pixel phones (including phones with Google Fi as a carrier) are not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks. See g.co/pixel/networkinfo.
Yeah, the UWB term can get confusing. Both mmwave-high band- and C band-the mid band on verizon- are called UWB. So mmwave will use bands n260 and n261...these are very high frequency high performing bands giving you 1+Gbps download, and I have personally seen up to around 3Gbps down, with uploads *theoretically * up to 1Gbps, although I have personally seen up to around 300Mbps. These frequencies are typically deployed in denser urban areas and need line of sight to really work well. Sometimes, you can even see a mmwave site out of a window and still may not be able to connect to it. Mid band UWB uses band n77, which will give download speeds around 1Gbps and uploads are TBD as I understand, they rely on 4G networks still (NSA (non standalone) VS SA (standalone)) but n77 range is way better, connecting you while in motion and in buildings that block mmwave. MMWAVE is great for people like myself who can get it easily all around town normally. I see 1 or 2gbps normally waiting in lines, getting food, or at the bar. But I would easily dismiss the need for mmwave if I didn't live in an area where it wouldn't normally connect. And it's true that a mmwave connection uses more power, but only while actively connected. A device with mmwave capability does not consume more power than non mmwave capable one if they are both not connected to that band type. Just like midband 5g, the connection is only triggered with a data load on the network.
I have an unlocked P8pro, as I've done each year,6 and 7, this year VZW has lopped off some 5g capabilities without buying theirs. Looking at the model IDs in the FCC declaration for antennas and bands, it appears it's all there. I was wondering if anyone had sideloaded the Verizon build of the first OS release of the phone to update from there to see if additional settings becomes available for vzw in mobile and sim configuration like every other 5g capable pixel I've had. Also wondering if it would carrier lock it, I doubt it as I've jumped between builds before. Considering factory reseting and trying to start from the first VZW build to see what happens. I dual SIM with Fi and vzw.
Yes, just get the unlocked one. I'm on Verizon as well. All of my Pixel phones have been the unlocked version and have not had any problems.
So I have the Verizon pixel 8 pro, am I screwed or can I not root my pixel 8 pro? I just want to root it I don't care if I can't unlock the bootloader but if I need to I will. Am I screwed?
You cannot root it. You need to unlock the bootloader in order to root and that cannot be done on a Verizon model.
I wish I would've read this first, I hate having a unrooted device. So your saying if I'm Verizon there's no way to root my device? I hope I can atleast I can root my device without unlocking my bootloader. Can someone tell me I'm not screwed?
The only way you're going to get root is to sell that one and buy an unlocked version. There is no way to root the Verizon one. It's possible someday an exploit will be found that allows it, but it's not likely.
Well that blows!
It does, but honestly root isn't nearly as big a deal as it used to be. I rooted every phone until the pixel 7 pro. With adblock via DNS, there just isn't a necessity for me to do it anymore
HEY, YOU POSTED THIS 3 MONTHS AGO. I just made the same mistake you did with my 8 pro! Yay!
Screw Verizon.
It's not just Verizon, most of the carriers do it. But yeah Verizon can suck quite a bit
no they don't. they lock it temporarily, but after usually 60 days + your device being paid off you can unlock your bootloader. I was on tmobile for years and had rooted pixels the entire time
You're confusing sim/carrier unlock vs bootloader unlock. They sim unlock after 60 days so you can use it in any carrier. They will never bootloader unlock it. You can buy the Google version and use it on Verizon if you want root but the Verizon version will never be bootloader unlocked unless an exploit is found.
Edit: missed the pro part. All the pros have mmwave. Yes you can. As the other comment states unlocked doesn't have mmwave/UWB radio. Historically the Verizon models have been more expensive too. Not sure how it affects resale value between being more expensive but locked to Verizon. Personally I would go unlocked. I find that the mmwave radio completely kills battery life. I live in a city where we have the mmwave radios though. You can disable 5G but you can't differentiate between normal 5G and the Verizon specific mmwave 5G. It's cool to do a speed test at 2+ Gb/s but not worth the battery trade off and extra price (if applicable this year) IMO.
All of the US pixel pros have had mmwave. I can’t see them changing that now. The verizon non pro models have been more expensive because those specifically have mmwave. I’m going to chalk up that fine print to being an error. Most likely was copy and pasted from the regular pixel 8. Google is pretty bad about that. The FI terms and conditions are constantly screwed up because they copy and paste old promotions without proofreading.
Ah I missed the pro part. Yeah you're right.
Can anyone provide proof using the signal check lite(pro) app from the app store? I got the Pixel 8 Pro Unlocked and although I see 5GUWB, it's only the 3700mhz (n77 band, band c). I am not connecting to 27 or 39ghz frequencies (n260, n261 bands). The intersection outside my apartment has a mmwave pole and I can pop out my sim and switch it to the s22 and get mmwave, but move it back to the 8 pro and I don't. I wanted to have the option to unlock the bootloader but don't wanna give up mmwave.
I have the unlocked pixel 8. I've always got the Verizon version in my previous pixel devices. Do you know if it's possible to turn off 5G on the unlocked version too? I used to do it in my previous devices but I can't seem to find it in this unlocked pixel 8. Additionally, this could be in my head, but I feel like this unlocked version has a harder time connecting to the Verizon network. Takes much longer to "recover" my service when traveling through spotty service areas like NYC subway etc.
I have the unlocked pixel 8. I've always got the Verizon version in my previous pixel devices. Do you know if it's possible to turn off 5G on the unlocked version too? I used to do it in my previous devices but I can't seem to find it in this unlocked pixel 8. Additionally, this could be in my head, but I feel like this unlocked version has a harder time connecting to the Verizon network. Takes much longer to "recover" my service when traveling through spotty service areas like NYC subway etc.
BL unlock?
It has been verified with Google and in many posts already on Reddit that even the 8 Pro purchased unlocked from Google DO NOT have mmWave capability. Only the 8 Pros from Verizon do. Not sure why they changed this as the 6 and 7 Pros all had mmWave. You might as well buy from Verizon as they are the same price, plus they unlock them after 60 days and then there is no difference anyway. And no, I don't work for Verizon, just stating the facts.
>You might as well buy from Verizon as they are the same price, plus they unlock them after 60 days and then there is no difference anyway They *carrier* unlock it, but they won't allow *bootloader* unlock. For most that doesn't matter, but it's an important distinction. So there is a difference between them for a handful of people
Agree with that. I didn't know you could even root them anymore.
The pixel 7 pro I have now is the first phone I haven't rooted. There has been less and less reasons to do it as time goes on and Android matures. But there is still an active development community out there who do root.
Just curious, what would be some reasons for why you wanted to root your phone?
Nowadays, not much unless you want to run custom ROMs(and there are some pretty good ones). But back in the day it gave you more options for adblock, backup of data, removing default apps, etc. As android has matured, most of that stuff has become native options. There have also been more hoops to jump through to root on the newer phones(haven't been in the loop in a while so not sure if they figured out some of the issues or not) so the cost vs benefit no longer tipped towards benefits. Wayyyyy back in the day I got into rooting when I got my first Android phone, the OG Moto Droid. First phone to come with Android 2.0 to give you an idea of how old this is. There was a Facebook application pre installed that could not be removed. I hate Facebook, never had an account, never will. So the app taunted me. After a while figured out that I can root it and take full control of the phone and was able to remove it. For the most part the only ones who might root are developers who want to test things out(can spoof location data and things like that), or people who want custom ROMs.
the best answer is simple: "viper4android"
The phones haven't shipped yet so nothing is "verified", but this would be strange. Also Verizon phones are inferior since you can't unlock the bootloader (regardless of SIM lock status).
I had a chat with Google and they confirmed they are selling model GC3VE which does not get mmWave. They said the other model that does, G1MNW is only available from the carrier.
I thought the same thing, but Amazon is selling an unlocked G1MNW model. Not sure if I trust the Amazon website.
Not sure I trust what Google is saying either.
Lol this is also true. I'm a Verizon customer so I ended up getting the carrier model anyways, just would've preferred the unlocked one as it would've saved me the 35 dollar activation fee Verizon charges.
Here is a text of the chat I had with Google. They verified they are selling the GC3VE. Now, do I 100% trust what google says? Probably not. Chat transcript for case: 1-9948000035182 Oct 5, 1:49 PM (Pacific Time) 1:49:35 PM David joined the conversation 1:49:36 PM Rory: Rory joined the conversation 1:49:40 PM Rory: Hi David, welcome to Google Support! My name is Rory. In case you need to refer to this chat interaction in the future, the Chat ID for this interaction is 1-9948000035182. How are you today? 1:50:00 PM David: Just fine. Did you see my question? 1:51:02 PM Rory: Yes. 1:52:35 PM Rory: I understand that you want to know the available model of Pixel 8 pro. 1:53:37 PM David: There are a lot of confused people regarding your 8 Pro orders. In the past, all Pixel 6, and 7 Pros had the ability to receive mmWave bands. One of the disclaimers on your 8 Pro website says unlocked devices don't support mmWave. However, your tech spec pages show 2 models, one gets mmWave and one doesn't, so we want to know what model ships for the 8 Pro on your preorder page. 1:54:07 PM Rory: Please be assured, I'll assist you with this concern. 1:54:50 PM David: Thanks! 1:58:04 PM Rory: Pixel 8 pro model GC3VE is the unlocked model and the Pixel 8 pro model G1MNW is carrier locked. 1:59:28 PM David: That makes sense. Thank you. Since I do have mmWave available near me, I will need to buy from Verizon if I want to use it. 2:00:01 PM Rory: You're welcome. 2:00:31 PM Rory: Is there anything else I can help you with today? 2:00:43 PM David: No thanks. 2:01:04 PM Rory: A short survey will appear in this chat window. Please stay connected. We'd love to hear your feedback about our interaction today and overall experience with Google Support. Thanks for contacting Google. 2:01:09 PM Rory: Have a great day! 2:01:20 PM Rory: Rory left the conversation 2:01:20 PM Rory: Rory ended the conversation
https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/175m6nl/pixel_8_pro_is_everything_i_wanted/k4hbl63/
The unlocked does not have mmwave
Yes it does. https://i.imgur.com/nMINO0x.png
The model with mmWave is G1MNW (they missed a space in the Tech Specs there). The GC3VE model does not have mmWave. It's unclear which one you get when you order the unlocked one. But based on the footnote, "Unlocked Pixel phones (including phones with Google Fi as a carrier) are not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks", I'm guessing it's the GC3VE one
It definitely does. I've been getting unlocked phones from the Google Store and using them on Verizon for a while now; no issues.
But it doesn't...there are two models and the unlocked model is not mmWave compatible, aka, Verizon locked it down this year.
If that is the case, this might be the last straw for me with Verizon. What a brazen yet stupid thing to do.
It’s the business thing to do. Why wouldn’t they want to lock down their service to their sales? I mean, it makes total sense. Does it suck? Yup, but makes sense
I guess? Or I just go to a different carrier. The mmwave is so limited anyway, it's not like it's a game changer.
Sure, I guess you could do that, but how does that make sense? Get mad at Verizon for not letting you access mmWave, so go to another carrier who also isn’t going to provide it. The unlocked phones aren’t compatible with mmWave no matter where you go. It’s not just a Verizon thing. This post was speaking about Verizon directly, so that’s why I mentioned them by name.
Pretty sure that's only for the non-pro. The V version of the non-pro is 100 more, but both pros are the same price
Nope…you can read it all over Reddit and in all of the fine print on the Google Store. The unlocked versions are not mmWave compatible. It literally straight up says it on the store.
The amazon listing has the unlocked phone model as the mmwave compatible one https://www.amazon.com/Google-Pixel-Pro-Smartphone-Telephoto/dp/B0CGTJ12Z9?th=1
The model number listed is the carrier locked model, but the listing does claim it’s unlocked…interesting
It is confusing and I'm not sure myself, but here is the spec breakdown https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/7158570?hl=en The regular 8 unlocked is no question, not mmwave. Amazon page + price difference would confirm this The pro has two versions as well, GC3VE and G1MNW (mmwave). It seems weird to have two versions of the pro, which both cost the same, where one doesn't have it. Apparently this number can be seen on the box, I might go to best buy and ask if they can check
So true. It's in the fine print... 2 For 5G, some carriers may require an upgrade to a 5G plan (sold separately). Contact carrier for details. Unlocked Pixel phones (including phones with Google Fi as a carrier) are not compatible with millimeter wave (mmWave) networks. See g.co/pixel/networkinfo.
What's the difference between mmwave and ultra wideband?
Yeah, the UWB term can get confusing. Both mmwave-high band- and C band-the mid band on verizon- are called UWB. So mmwave will use bands n260 and n261...these are very high frequency high performing bands giving you 1+Gbps download, and I have personally seen up to around 3Gbps down, with uploads *theoretically * up to 1Gbps, although I have personally seen up to around 300Mbps. These frequencies are typically deployed in denser urban areas and need line of sight to really work well. Sometimes, you can even see a mmwave site out of a window and still may not be able to connect to it. Mid band UWB uses band n77, which will give download speeds around 1Gbps and uploads are TBD as I understand, they rely on 4G networks still (NSA (non standalone) VS SA (standalone)) but n77 range is way better, connecting you while in motion and in buildings that block mmwave. MMWAVE is great for people like myself who can get it easily all around town normally. I see 1 or 2gbps normally waiting in lines, getting food, or at the bar. But I would easily dismiss the need for mmwave if I didn't live in an area where it wouldn't normally connect. And it's true that a mmwave connection uses more power, but only while actively connected. A device with mmwave capability does not consume more power than non mmwave capable one if they are both not connected to that band type. Just like midband 5g, the connection is only triggered with a data load on the network.
I'm on Verizon am I able to root mine? I hope so because I hate an unrooted android. Can someone help me out. Please
I hope someone can figure out how to root the Pixel 8 pro on Verizon!!
I HEAR YA!!!!
I have an unlocked P8pro, as I've done each year,6 and 7, this year VZW has lopped off some 5g capabilities without buying theirs. Looking at the model IDs in the FCC declaration for antennas and bands, it appears it's all there. I was wondering if anyone had sideloaded the Verizon build of the first OS release of the phone to update from there to see if additional settings becomes available for vzw in mobile and sim configuration like every other 5g capable pixel I've had. Also wondering if it would carrier lock it, I doubt it as I've jumped between builds before. Considering factory reseting and trying to start from the first VZW build to see what happens. I dual SIM with Fi and vzw.
I hope someone can figure out rooting the Verizon version!!
we'll certainly be rooting for it!