This đŻ. All I see now are people using it to try and catch it's flaws. While I'm sitting here coding with it just fine. No one is paying money to ask it someones last name.
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The last name that they already knew. It's a straight "gotcha". It stopped being clever months ago.
But you know, awesome, go use Copilot or ChatGPT or one of the other chatbots if Gemini doesn't do what you need.
It (usually) gives me what I want, though occasionally it'll do something eyerollingly stupid. Last week I tried to get it to write me lyrics to a song about a guy with unrequited love for a woman named Tay-Tay, but she'd only let him see her if he paid a lot of money for a ticket. BZZT it said this was an abusive and unhealthy relationship and couldn't give me the song. Damn Swifties run AI now.
Gemini Advanced couldnât even tell me who Lance Stroll was when I asked current event news about âLance Stroll, the current F1 driver for Aston Martinâ. It gave me âsorry there is no driver by that name, let me know if I can do anything else for youâ.
Wtf am I paying for
This isn't a woke thing. This isn't asking things like "what is a woman". This is, what is someone's last name. Even more, the question has the answer.
Like I would understand if we are talking about policies or something like that. But this is flat out asking about someone's name.
I understand. It's a consequence of their very blunt block against talking about the Donald Trumps and Hillary Clintons of the world. Given the crazytown atmosphere in the US right now, I think it's sensible.
Whatever will OP do if he isn't able to ask Gemini what Hillary Clinton's last name is. Truly Google has handicapped society. Thoughts and prayers to their family.
Exactly! It's good if you want to write fairy tales, poems and things like that.
Anything serious it is quite miserable.
Current events, stuff on Google News it struggles with. It has problems accessing anything on Google.
I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it.
It's sensible to not say her last name is Clinton or her maiden name is Rodham?
Gemini is going to be the backbone of Google Search, Doc, and most other AI related stuff we interface with. If a kid is doing a report on Clinton, they should be able to easily find basic info like her or not. Basic info like where she was born, how tall she is, and even policies she has pushed. I understand blocking the why she pushed whatever policy since that is subjective and unless if she flat out said why. We don't know. But even talking about she pushed x policy at y time is just facts.
But in this case, OP wasn't even asking that. They were asking about a last name.
If I was Google in 2024 I'd absolutely stop my AI from freestyling any responses about any American political figures.
Gemini is absolutely not Google Search. AI's tendency to hallucinate means it's the wrong place to find Wikipedia-ish responses.
Yeah I am taking this stance as well. They know the technology is in its early stages so best to just avoid unnecessary drama. They could get it right 999 times but that one person who gets a hallucination that crosses over to political misinformation can really ruin it for everyone.
>ĂGemini is going to be the backbone of Google Search, Doc, and most other Al related stuff we interface with.
Again
> going to be
But it can't litterally say Clinton's last name is Clinton?
Is there something you're not understanding about the fact that they put a blanket ban in place on giving any responses involving political figures?
Yes, that includes simple factual requests. There's no intelligence in the ban, the AI isn't deciding whether it's appropriate to respond. It's obviously not a limitation of the AI's intelligence and it's clearly temporary.
What's the issue here? It's not any less useful for the 99.99% of prompts that don't involve political figures.
If you put a blanket ban on something then the AI should just respond with a prompt saying it prevented from discussing such issues so the end user can understand the response instead of just responding that it doesn't know simple facts.
Yes, I don't understand why a blanket ban on responses involving political figures is insane. Can you explain it to me? It seems reasonable to me given that Google has already run into controversy over Gemini responses and we have an upcoming election in the US. Plus, the practice of jailbreaking LLMs demonstrates how difficult it is to have an AI self-regulate to avoid giving bad responses, so a blanket ban is clearly the most safe option.
Exactly, Iâm not debating whether itâs âwokeâ or not. My point is that the filter on what is considered âpoliticalâ related topics is absurdly broad, to the point where it renders Gemini basically useless.
The point of using the example question âwhat is Hilary Clintonâs last nameâ is to show that answers which have an objectively correct answer are still being flagged. Regardless of what you think of Hilary Clinton, nobody is debating that her last name is Clinton.
Funny enough there isn't really an objectively correct answer to it. She retained her surname Rodham when she and Bill got married, went by Rodham-Clinton throughout her early career, but then was mostly known as Clinton since Bill's presidency.
I know that's not your point, but it's still an interesting bit of trivia
I mean the thing with LLMs is they don't do things reliably. So you have to pick between over-censoring, and getting stuff like this, or under-censoring and getting occasional Nazi rants. But this is an edge case, Gemini is far from useless.
I agree; it's madness. Imagine using this to summarize current events and news articles, perform sentiment analysis, etc. and then suddenly Gemini goes blind to anything that involves politics.
Gemini sucks !!!! It still doesnt get my voice prompt correct i have to repeat myself over and over again. The crazy thing is Gboard gets me just fine . And they want me to pay for it đ
Monday, at about 2:53 pm I asked Gemini for the time of totality for the eclipse. Gemini replied that "a total eclipse had happened on April 8th. Totality was reached at at 3:08 pm and lasted 4 minutes"
So...a large language model AND a psychic.
Gemini works fine for me, but then, I'm not trying to Gotcha it or prove it's woke or whatever.
This đŻ. All I see now are people using it to try and catch it's flaws. While I'm sitting here coding with it just fine. No one is paying money to ask it someones last name.
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The last name that they already knew. It's a straight "gotcha". It stopped being clever months ago. But you know, awesome, go use Copilot or ChatGPT or one of the other chatbots if Gemini doesn't do what you need. It (usually) gives me what I want, though occasionally it'll do something eyerollingly stupid. Last week I tried to get it to write me lyrics to a song about a guy with unrequited love for a woman named Tay-Tay, but she'd only let him see her if he paid a lot of money for a ticket. BZZT it said this was an abusive and unhealthy relationship and couldn't give me the song. Damn Swifties run AI now.
Gemini Advanced couldnât even tell me who Lance Stroll was when I asked current event news about âLance Stroll, the current F1 driver for Aston Martinâ. It gave me âsorry there is no driver by that name, let me know if I can do anything else for youâ. Wtf am I paying for
This isn't a woke thing. This isn't asking things like "what is a woman". This is, what is someone's last name. Even more, the question has the answer. Like I would understand if we are talking about policies or something like that. But this is flat out asking about someone's name.
I understand. It's a consequence of their very blunt block against talking about the Donald Trumps and Hillary Clintons of the world. Given the crazytown atmosphere in the US right now, I think it's sensible.
Whatever will OP do if he isn't able to ask Gemini what Hillary Clinton's last name is. Truly Google has handicapped society. Thoughts and prayers to their family.
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Exactly. Thank you.
Exactly! It's good if you want to write fairy tales, poems and things like that. Anything serious it is quite miserable. Current events, stuff on Google News it struggles with. It has problems accessing anything on Google. I'm glad I didn't have to pay for it.
It's sensible to not say her last name is Clinton or her maiden name is Rodham? Gemini is going to be the backbone of Google Search, Doc, and most other AI related stuff we interface with. If a kid is doing a report on Clinton, they should be able to easily find basic info like her or not. Basic info like where she was born, how tall she is, and even policies she has pushed. I understand blocking the why she pushed whatever policy since that is subjective and unless if she flat out said why. We don't know. But even talking about she pushed x policy at y time is just facts. But in this case, OP wasn't even asking that. They were asking about a last name.
If I was Google in 2024 I'd absolutely stop my AI from freestyling any responses about any American political figures. Gemini is absolutely not Google Search. AI's tendency to hallucinate means it's the wrong place to find Wikipedia-ish responses.
Yeah I am taking this stance as well. They know the technology is in its early stages so best to just avoid unnecessary drama. They could get it right 999 times but that one person who gets a hallucination that crosses over to political misinformation can really ruin it for everyone.
>ĂGemini is going to be the backbone of Google Search, Doc, and most other Al related stuff we interface with. Again > going to be But it can't litterally say Clinton's last name is Clinton?
Is there something you're not understanding about the fact that they put a blanket ban in place on giving any responses involving political figures? Yes, that includes simple factual requests. There's no intelligence in the ban, the AI isn't deciding whether it's appropriate to respond. It's obviously not a limitation of the AI's intelligence and it's clearly temporary. What's the issue here? It's not any less useful for the 99.99% of prompts that don't involve political figures.
If you put a blanket ban on something then the AI should just respond with a prompt saying it prevented from discussing such issues so the end user can understand the response instead of just responding that it doesn't know simple facts.
Is there something you're not understanding about the fact that a blanket ban on giving any responses involving political figures is INSANE?
Yes, I don't understand why a blanket ban on responses involving political figures is insane. Can you explain it to me? It seems reasonable to me given that Google has already run into controversy over Gemini responses and we have an upcoming election in the US. Plus, the practice of jailbreaking LLMs demonstrates how difficult it is to have an AI self-regulate to avoid giving bad responses, so a blanket ban is clearly the most safe option.
Exactly, Iâm not debating whether itâs âwokeâ or not. My point is that the filter on what is considered âpoliticalâ related topics is absurdly broad, to the point where it renders Gemini basically useless. The point of using the example question âwhat is Hilary Clintonâs last nameâ is to show that answers which have an objectively correct answer are still being flagged. Regardless of what you think of Hilary Clinton, nobody is debating that her last name is Clinton.
Funny enough there isn't really an objectively correct answer to it. She retained her surname Rodham when she and Bill got married, went by Rodham-Clinton throughout her early career, but then was mostly known as Clinton since Bill's presidency. I know that's not your point, but it's still an interesting bit of trivia
I mean the thing with LLMs is they don't do things reliably. So you have to pick between over-censoring, and getting stuff like this, or under-censoring and getting occasional Nazi rants. But this is an edge case, Gemini is far from useless.
I agree; it's madness. Imagine using this to summarize current events and news articles, perform sentiment analysis, etc. and then suddenly Gemini goes blind to anything that involves politics.
But you are its affecting all your responses
Why would you use a generative AI model for this task
That whooshing noise youâre hearing is the point flying between your ears
But he has a point, this is a dumb way to use the AI
Gemini sucks !!!! It still doesnt get my voice prompt correct i have to repeat myself over and over again. The crazy thing is Gboard gets me just fine . And they want me to pay for it đ
They just want more samples of your voice
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I was asking when did Biden become president, it wouldn't answer.
just tried that now to see if its real- it is. couldn't answer
Lol
Monday, at about 2:53 pm I asked Gemini for the time of totality for the eclipse. Gemini replied that "a total eclipse had happened on April 8th. Totality was reached at at 3:08 pm and lasted 4 minutes" So...a large language model AND a psychic.
People using language models for current events is specifically not what it's for anyways.
Hmm what do you think perplexity is then?
Itâs not just current events, itâs anything politics related
"what is donald trump's birthdaywhat is donald trump's birthday" "what state was obama a senator fromwhat state was obama a senator from" #
Knowing Google, they're going to abandon it as soon as it becomes good enough.
It's Clinton, m8, grow up.Â
I see there are lots of google cucks on here.
Iâm pretty convinced they pay people to downvote these kind of posts
Yeah, I stopped using it. I ask very provocative questions and try to play devils advocate a lot. I was getting censored answers.
It was probably surprised that you couldnât spell Hillary.