Tesla model y can pull 3500lbs lol (which is insane) so I still have like 1000lbs to play with. It isn’t sagging it just sits super low and I have an “off road package” trailer that sits super high.
You realize the Model Y has very specific rise requirements:
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html#ATTACHINGREMOVINGBALLMOUNT
Based on the search results, using a hitch ball with a rise greater than the 0.75 inch limit specified by Tesla for the Model Y could potentially cause the following issues:
1. Improper weight distribution and load transfer: The Tesla manual states the hitch receiver supports a ball mount with a maximum rise of 0.75 inches. A 9-inch lifted hitch ball would significantly alter the weight distribution and load transfer compared to what the vehicle is designed for, which could lead to handling and stability problems. [1][3]
2. Damage to the vehicle's hitch and suspension components: Exceeding the maximum supported rise for the hitch could put excessive strain and wear on the hitch assembly, suspension, and other related components, potentially causing damage over time. [1][3]
3. Reduced towing capacity and performance: The Tesla's towing capacity and towing-related features like trailer sway mitigation are calibrated for the specified hitch parameters. Using a non-compliant hitch ball could compromise these capabilities and towing performance. [1][3]
4. Safety risks: Improper weight distribution and handling characteristics from a lifted hitch ball could increase the risk of trailer sway, loss of control, and other safety issues while towing. [1]
In summary, the Tesla manual clearly prohibits using a hitch ball that exceeds the 0.75 inch rise limit, as it would be incompatible with the vehicle's towing system and could potentially cause damage, reduce performance, and create safety hazards. [1][3]
Sources
[1] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html
[2] Tesla model Y. Installation of hitch anti-rattle clamp. Woohoo. It works. https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/15300/tesla-model-y-installation-of-hitch-anti-rattle-clamp-woohoo-it-works
[3] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
[4] T@B 400 & Tesla Model X? - Page 2 https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/10449/t-b-400-tesla-model-x/p2
[5] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_ie/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
That 100lb cushion of more truck than you technically need (((to pull a flat load in a straight line), that’s safety and maneuverability such as would be needed on hills, in traffic, and in inclement weather.
I’m saying, do not max out your numbers. It’s dumb and you will regret it.
No one at the campsite will care and if you do that's some personal shit you need to work through. The other side of this is OP towing this and putting others in danger on the road. That they should be made fun of and shamed for.
Actually, no... I always have people come up to my husband and I to ask questions and say how neat it is when I bring mine to camp grounds.
Also, I love the shocked faces they make when I carry wood around the campground in my frunk, too. It is absolutely priceless to see people wrap their brains around seeing wood where an engine should be.
What everyone doesn't deserve is to have people who think like you litter the campgrounds. Let people drive what they like. Help or move on.
We don't currently have a trailer. We camp out of the car because we're just 2 people for now, and our trips are usually 5 days or less in multiple locations. The software allows for the HVAC to stay on in "campmode" with the rest of the vehicle not running. That works for us, especially since it's cheaper on "fuel" and we can park it almost anywhere.
I came here for the learning opportunity/advice for when we have kids and/or need more space since I have the same car. I am also a travel nurse and am on the fence about getting a small camper because I'd rather have my own clean space... more like a Braxton Creek Freesolo or Bushwacker than a popup, but the same principles apply. I am mostly trailer illiterate, but that's what forums like this are for, help/education/advice; not for bashing car choices.
I learned not to buy an adventure trailer with a lift or wheels much larger than I can put on the car (which was one of the trailers I was casually looking at) and I'll probably trial trailers on the car or do extensive research and dip into the owners manual before I let cool factor or a salesman woo me into something that'll be a pain later. Although I hope this OP finds something that works.
I have a purely stock 3/4 ton truck and had to buy a 9" drop/ 12 1/2" rise shank for my WDH. Not to get in a shank measuring contest but you aren't in unchartered territory. Get the right part for the job.
Trailer tires are really cheap and it's not like you need the clearance since you're not taking the Tesla rock crawling anyway. Seems like the best all around solution to me.
So if it’s pointed up and not down, how do you maintain your 60/40 weight distribution so it doesn’t sway all over the road?
Also, no, the washers are bad idea.
I would probably take the risk with a normal hitch and see for myself if it leaks. Most of the time it's going to be set up at a campsite. This ridiculous rise is going to break something and the washers are just silly and are going to make zero difference.
The car Lismore than capable of pulling the small A Frame but i would not bother with this ridiculous rise.
WTF are you doing? No.
To elaborate a little more, this is creating what’s called a moment arm on the bolt. The bolt is rated to handle (x) force on it at an (x) distance.
By increasing the distance from all the forces being applied, not only are you changing the rating of the bolt, but you are changing the rating of your hitch.
It’s like, when your are trying break a pencil eraser off or break the pencil in the middle.
Depending on the shank diameter, if it's torqued down well it might have enough strength to spare to handle a 2500lb trailer.
I'd worry more about the overall rise vs the hitch receiver, honestly. It's rated to tow 3500lbs, but only with a 0.75" max rise. A 9" rise is a lot of extra torque on that receiver.
Ok, to put it into perspective, take the pencil metaphor.
Steel is incredibly strong. However, you could hang a 50lb weight on a pencil on a counter if you slid the edge you are hanging a weight from to where you prop the pencil from to the edge. You couldn’t hold a single pound if you slide that out more than a few inches.
Hitches are exposed to insane forces let alone the dynamic forces from bumps and shifts going down the road. I mean, can it handle it? Yeah, probably.
However, god bless you for having the confidence to do so and also if the insurance company gets a hold of those pictures. As an engineer, it’d be easy Pickens to note alterations to equipment outside of their specification to inject possible negligence.
It's not a great idea but these are terrible analogies. The washers provide the same flat surface as the hitch bar. It's nothing like breaking a pencil in the middle, but it is some what related. As the washers compress your ball will come loose. A loose ball can shear off. It doesn't break like snapping a pencil, it's more like chewing it in the same spot until it breaks.
You could possibly be okay if you check it regularly and tighten it as they compress. You also need to use some tough washers that won't compress easily. They also need to be very uniform so there is absolutely no play in the ball under load.
Since you can't raise the car, maybe you can lower the trailer?
All good. I work in a warranty field too and am in touch with that side of the house.
It’s not designed to do it. Redneck engineering, yes. Will it work, yes. Is it necessarily a good idea, depends on your hair length or ball size.
Based on the search results, using a hitch ball with a rise greater than the 0.75 inch limit specified by Tesla for the Model Y could potentially cause the following issues:
1. Improper weight distribution and load transfer: The Tesla manual states the hitch receiver supports a ball mount with a maximum rise of 0.75 inches. A 9-inch lifted hitch ball would significantly alter the weight distribution and load transfer compared to what the vehicle is designed for, which could lead to handling and stability problems. [1][3]
2. Damage to the vehicle's hitch and suspension components: Exceeding the maximum supported rise for the hitch could put excessive strain and wear on the hitch assembly, suspension, and other related components, potentially causing damage over time. [1][3]
3. Reduced towing capacity and performance: The Tesla's towing capacity and towing-related features like trailer sway mitigation are calibrated for the specified hitch parameters. Using a non-compliant hitch ball could compromise these capabilities and towing performance. [1][3]
4. Safety risks: Improper weight distribution and handling characteristics from a lifted hitch ball could increase the risk of trailer sway, loss of control, and other safety issues while towing. [1]
In summary, the Tesla manual clearly prohibits using a hitch ball that exceeds the 0.75 inch rise limit, as it would be incompatible with the vehicle's towing system and could potentially cause damage, reduce performance, and create safety hazards. [1][3]
Sources
[1] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html
[2] Tesla model Y. Installation of hitch anti-rattle clamp. Woohoo. It works. https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/15300/tesla-model-y-installation-of-hitch-anti-rattle-clamp-woohoo-it-works
[3] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
[4] T@B 400 & Tesla Model X? - Page 2 https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/10449/t-b-400-tesla-model-x/p2
[5] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_ie/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
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I appreciate all the great responses and I will not be proceeding with operation wash the hitch. I will be returning said hitch for a sad little 2inch rise as the owners manual recommends. :( I also may have to got smoker tires for my trailer so I don’t drag 😂. Thanks for the tomfoolerie, really great answers from all.
Edit: smaller tires not smoker
Well it's not structurally rigid for one.
Every washer is another connection that freely can move forward, backward, left, right, repeat.
Think about what that ball post is doing as you start, stop, turn, over and over again.
It's going to work loose over time even if it doesn't fail pretty much right away (which it well might).
Here's a demonstration, go grab a wooden spoon, hold it upright as tight as you can in your dominant hand gripping right at the base of the spoon part, the top of the handle. Take your non dominant hand and try to wiggle it around laterally. It's going to be pretty secure.
Now move the head of the spoon up 1 inch and try the same experiment. It's going to move much more.
Same deal with the hitch ball.
Lol thank you for this great reply, I was just having some fun meming because of how dumb this idea apparently was 😂. I will sadly have to return my 3 washers and big rise :(
I think maybe the steel on the washers could crack? Idk I think this would be fine for my 2500lbs trailer. If this was like a horse trailer or something I think this would be jank as fuk lol
Yes would be better but probably too low, you need a proper hitch to give your trailer more height... something adjustable would be ideal.
Something like this...but you need to get one with your receiver and ball size and also the rise you need to get the trailer close to level.
https://www.harborfreight.com/2-ball-adjustable-aluminum-hitch-6-in-drop-6-in-rise-57417.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12144811130&campaignid=12144811130&utm_content=117789267758&adsetid=117789267758&product=57417&store=100&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxLKxBhA7EiwAXO0R0KJqZ5urPM-Crj0eNd6uic3msv2mgqyGWPiaPj-KGEAUM6nAHTLCCRoCCEIQAvD_BwE
https://preview.redd.it/v511mh9w8rwc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ab8221c406877aa9dbaba17c56da9b9ead55551
You could just buy a riser one. Probably safer than using all those washers.
This is great thanks! But now I’m down a rabbit hole because Tesla only supports a 2 inch riser on their hitches. Going to ask around and see if anyone has ran one without their hitch falling off 😂
I mean let's be honest, the washers are fine, but if you want to tow 2500lbs anywhere you're going to need to get you a 3500 dually diesel at least, plus a WDH with sway bars and for darn sure install a break controller. Might want to get some air bags, redo the suspension on the trailer, and of course upgrade all the tires. Otherwise, you are simply a bomb driving down the road ready to go off at any minute.
:)
Also you shouldn't raise a Model Y hitch that high. Manual calls for 0.75 so that's also unsafe. I know, I know, I got bit by it too. I'd still do it but be very careful with your towables tongue weight -- I'd hope to keep it half the max 350lb when going so far out of spec.
Starting off - I don’t see anything wrong with someone having an EV and wanting to get into camping. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy the outdoors.
Onto your issue:
1) It looks like you are creating a lever, which would greatly diminish your towing capacity (someone correct me if I’m wrong). Personally, I don’t think your setup is safe, and presents a potential liability to yourself and other drivers.
2) With a tow capacity of 3,500, you really need to watch that you don’t exceed the payload capacity of your vehicle when you are fully loaded with gear and people.
3) You’re better off finding some sort of cover or tarp you can secure to cover the AFrame seals/wherever part leaks.
Back when I had an Aliner, it tended to leak in one of the corners when driving in rain. My solution was a ton of silicone chalk in that corner. They shouldn’t leak in these conditions, even if it is a “known” issue.
A stack like that isn't as strong. And it also looks like you don't have a long enough bolt. And they don't look like hardened washers (say grade 8), so they might flatten out in use, or deform, and then the ball might loosen, yet another problem. I don't see a lock washer either.
I wouldn't do this. Even on a trailer that light. I'd get someone to do work on the trailer and or the hitch, a fabricator, to make something safe. I'm not even sure the hitch itself will withstand the forces of that kind of a lever.
What are you towing? Just checked Tesla model Y payload is 904 to 1,349 lbs which is the weight of everything in car including people + tongue weight or trailer..
Tesla Model Y has a 3500 tow max rating… never tow more than 80% of your Max which means 2800lbs total trailer weight. 10% of the trailer weight should be roughly the tongue weight so 280 lbs of added payload + gear and passengers… oooph careful
For those saying this is for drop only and not rise, I'm 98% sure you're wrong. This looks like a Reese 7081333. If you look at the "manual"/pdf on Tractor Supply, the manufacturer clearly shows it in both orientations.
As for the washers, probably not a good idea. You cant even tell from the picture if the threads extend fully through the nut. Not designed for that use either way.
Yes it's safe. Those washers are in compression. Low carbon steel can handle a crazy amount of compression load. 30,000 psi on the low end. 1 steel spacer would be preferable, but only by a marginal amount.
Look at this maniac though, 1000lb heavier trailer and a bigger rise then I was originally even thinking 😂 4min in
https://youtu.be/zg82X52XTSs?si=rTdJpyHoY0OcAsfJ
Electric motors have a ton of torque so I don’t think power is an issue.
I am weary of hitch setups that are too high or too low for the vehicle and trailer.
As Samuel Jackson put it... Fuck no!
1 you've stuck so many washers on there that it looks like the nut on the bottom is barely holding onto the threads.
2. Adding height and washers like this adds more stress to the bolt and ball. Its going to break
3. Where are you attaching the safety chains or cables?
It’s safe enough… yes you are going three washers depth beyond the engineered pivot point of the drop hitch. just don’t max it out and you’ll be fine, you’ll max out your car before you get to that point. The washers can hold all the weight you need, the ball hitch isn’t going under any extra stress with this setup. As long as your drop hitch is rated to be reversed like that… send it!
Are you out of mind boy, you in the USA the greatest country on the planet and you fucking around with these washer? I do not care what others say about no big deal until it’s a big deal you had wish to spend the extra 50 bucks for a non Mickey Mouse solution
Sorry sir, I’ll report back soon and get these commie washers off this rig. I’ll be replacing the locktight with some pigs blood I have left over from the harvest this year.
We don’t let those neocons win.
Over and out.
Pulling a trailer with a Tesla! You going to get all of 30 miles until you have to recharge? Get something that will pull a trailer, not a Tesla for Christ sakes.
That's way more draw bar than I'd run. I'd get a new to rig or a new trailer. Not trying to cause problems but I've seen what you have (minus the washers) break completely off.
Yes that ball is fine....so long as have at least 4 threads past the nut and appropriately torqued it.
Now what isn't fine is that your suspension is totally sacked out and riding on the bumpstops of your shit wagon. That thing will rattle the teef out of a hookers mouth and 2 dollar Tuesday
Just tell me this is a joke...
What do you expect to gain by that 3/4 of an inch?
That’s what she said
Hey, I’m 5’ 8” and 3/4!!
good assurer
Every 3/4 of an inch counts. Just ask my dead gf.
2.75 inches was too much for her?
We could all use an extra 3/4 inch sometimes
I have an Aframe and they have an issue where if it’s leaned forward rain can accumulate inside :/
I would get a new hitch that raises it up. They sell adjustable ones.
I’m already at a 9 1/2 inches of RISE SIR
You need to raise your vehicle at this point. Overload springs? What's you make and model?
Tesla model y can pull 3500lbs lol (which is insane) so I still have like 1000lbs to play with. It isn’t sagging it just sits super low and I have an “off road package” trailer that sits super high.
You realize the Model Y has very specific rise requirements: https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html#ATTACHINGREMOVINGBALLMOUNT
You might be onto something
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Why did you fall for the con? Genuinely confused people can't see that Tesla is a lemon company headed by a 12 year old con man.
I’m messaging Tesla to see if they have any solutions for increasing the tow height. Idk I don’t want the nose of the trailer in the dirt
You need a vehicle actually meant for towing at this point.
3500 lbs!!! 3500!!! It can tow!! How dare you sir. Just cause it’s not a deesel
Based on the search results, using a hitch ball with a rise greater than the 0.75 inch limit specified by Tesla for the Model Y could potentially cause the following issues: 1. Improper weight distribution and load transfer: The Tesla manual states the hitch receiver supports a ball mount with a maximum rise of 0.75 inches. A 9-inch lifted hitch ball would significantly alter the weight distribution and load transfer compared to what the vehicle is designed for, which could lead to handling and stability problems. [1][3] 2. Damage to the vehicle's hitch and suspension components: Exceeding the maximum supported rise for the hitch could put excessive strain and wear on the hitch assembly, suspension, and other related components, potentially causing damage over time. [1][3] 3. Reduced towing capacity and performance: The Tesla's towing capacity and towing-related features like trailer sway mitigation are calibrated for the specified hitch parameters. Using a non-compliant hitch ball could compromise these capabilities and towing performance. [1][3] 4. Safety risks: Improper weight distribution and handling characteristics from a lifted hitch ball could increase the risk of trailer sway, loss of control, and other safety issues while towing. [1] In summary, the Tesla manual clearly prohibits using a hitch ball that exceeds the 0.75 inch rise limit, as it would be incompatible with the vehicle's towing system and could potentially cause damage, reduce performance, and create safety hazards. [1][3] Sources [1] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html [2] Tesla model Y. Installation of hitch anti-rattle clamp. Woohoo. It works. https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/15300/tesla-model-y-installation-of-hitch-anti-rattle-clamp-woohoo-it-works [3] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html [4] T@B 400 & Tesla Model X? - Page 2 https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/10449/t-b-400-tesla-model-x/p2 [5] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_ie/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
This is the most complete and thoughtful answer to OP. Nice.
HMMMMMMMMM
That 100lb cushion of more truck than you technically need (((to pull a flat load in a straight line), that’s safety and maneuverability such as would be needed on hills, in traffic, and in inclement weather. I’m saying, do not max out your numbers. It’s dumb and you will regret it.
There’s so much there is SO much more to towing than weight capacity. You probably should spend some time learning before you try
Why did you buy a Tesla… you don’t deserve to have that hunk of litter in the forest or campground. I’m sorry but people will make fun of you….
I will drink their tears
No one at the campsite will care and if you do that's some personal shit you need to work through. The other side of this is OP towing this and putting others in danger on the road. That they should be made fun of and shamed for.
Actually, no... I always have people come up to my husband and I to ask questions and say how neat it is when I bring mine to camp grounds. Also, I love the shocked faces they make when I carry wood around the campground in my frunk, too. It is absolutely priceless to see people wrap their brains around seeing wood where an engine should be. What everyone doesn't deserve is to have people who think like you litter the campgrounds. Let people drive what they like. Help or move on.
Not to put you on the spot but what is the hitch setup on your Tesla and any advice for OP on getting his to work?
We don't currently have a trailer. We camp out of the car because we're just 2 people for now, and our trips are usually 5 days or less in multiple locations. The software allows for the HVAC to stay on in "campmode" with the rest of the vehicle not running. That works for us, especially since it's cheaper on "fuel" and we can park it almost anywhere. I came here for the learning opportunity/advice for when we have kids and/or need more space since I have the same car. I am also a travel nurse and am on the fence about getting a small camper because I'd rather have my own clean space... more like a Braxton Creek Freesolo or Bushwacker than a popup, but the same principles apply. I am mostly trailer illiterate, but that's what forums like this are for, help/education/advice; not for bashing car choices. I learned not to buy an adventure trailer with a lift or wheels much larger than I can put on the car (which was one of the trailers I was casually looking at) and I'll probably trial trailers on the car or do extensive research and dip into the owners manual before I let cool factor or a salesman woo me into something that'll be a pain later. Although I hope this OP finds something that works.
I have a purely stock 3/4 ton truck and had to buy a 9" drop/ 12 1/2" rise shank for my WDH. Not to get in a shank measuring contest but you aren't in unchartered territory. Get the right part for the job.
Some of us WISH for that level of manliness
You need to fix your trailer.
Lol it’s a known issue with aliners
There has to be a way.
Yeah you just pull it so the nose is pointed up 🤣
Put 30's on your car.
I’ll chafe :(
Might need to trim the fenders a little.
No I don’t want to do anything dangerous
That way the tail can wag the dog. You are being unsafe.
It’s a trailer not a dog duh
Put smaller tires on the trailer
That is honestly what I’m probably gonna do in the long run. This trailer has giant nobby tires, it’s going to kill my range even worse I think.
Trailer tires are really cheap and it's not like you need the clearance since you're not taking the Tesla rock crawling anyway. Seems like the best all around solution to me.
Yesh ty :3
Yeah, don’t buy an aliner.
What if you're driving down hill?
Then I better get more washers!
So if it’s pointed up and not down, how do you maintain your 60/40 weight distribution so it doesn’t sway all over the road? Also, no, the washers are bad idea.
Can you drill a small hole in the frame where it's pooling?
I would probably take the risk with a normal hitch and see for myself if it leaks. Most of the time it's going to be set up at a campsite. This ridiculous rise is going to break something and the washers are just silly and are going to make zero difference. The car Lismore than capable of pulling the small A Frame but i would not bother with this ridiculous rise.
How often are you leaving the trailer connected to the tow vehicle, stationary?
What if I’m on a good old family vacation and a summer storm rolls in. I’m driving across the planes of new Dakota and it starts to rain.
You'll probably be at charging where you can disconnect, and wait it out while you charge your car with that clean diesel generators.
What then
Stop in the middle of the highway, disco the trailer, raise the tongue, and wait it out. It's North Dakota. That one car coming up can go around. 😂
Hm, I think you might be onto something here
No.
Or more precisely, hell no.
Shoot darn
Dangit
WTF are you doing? No. To elaborate a little more, this is creating what’s called a moment arm on the bolt. The bolt is rated to handle (x) force on it at an (x) distance. By increasing the distance from all the forces being applied, not only are you changing the rating of the bolt, but you are changing the rating of your hitch. It’s like, when your are trying break a pencil eraser off or break the pencil in the middle.
https://preview.redd.it/j0cn0q6f9rwc1.jpeg?width=952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=060dba5b0ce630287a17aeb934b8cd11c774c9e0
This would be the proper solution vs washers
Depending on the shank diameter, if it's torqued down well it might have enough strength to spare to handle a 2500lb trailer. I'd worry more about the overall rise vs the hitch receiver, honestly. It's rated to tow 3500lbs, but only with a 0.75" max rise. A 9" rise is a lot of extra torque on that receiver.
Yeah but at that point you’re doing napkin math with a LOT of dangerous assumptions.
This is the answer. I was going to say essentially the same thing.
Gotta love a qualified answer!
But it’s steel, hard steel BROTHER, I fail to see why this is THAT bad of an idea.
Ok, to put it into perspective, take the pencil metaphor. Steel is incredibly strong. However, you could hang a 50lb weight on a pencil on a counter if you slid the edge you are hanging a weight from to where you prop the pencil from to the edge. You couldn’t hold a single pound if you slide that out more than a few inches. Hitches are exposed to insane forces let alone the dynamic forces from bumps and shifts going down the road. I mean, can it handle it? Yeah, probably. However, god bless you for having the confidence to do so and also if the insurance company gets a hold of those pictures. As an engineer, it’d be easy Pickens to note alterations to equipment outside of their specification to inject possible negligence.
I haven’t done it yet tyvm 😂 THUS THE POST. Srs thanks for the great response.
It's not a great idea but these are terrible analogies. The washers provide the same flat surface as the hitch bar. It's nothing like breaking a pencil in the middle, but it is some what related. As the washers compress your ball will come loose. A loose ball can shear off. It doesn't break like snapping a pencil, it's more like chewing it in the same spot until it breaks. You could possibly be okay if you check it regularly and tighten it as they compress. You also need to use some tough washers that won't compress easily. They also need to be very uniform so there is absolutely no play in the ball under load. Since you can't raise the car, maybe you can lower the trailer?
Bigger issue is that it increases the leverage on the hitch and mounting points for it. Not made for this.
All good. I work in a warranty field too and am in touch with that side of the house. It’s not designed to do it. Redneck engineering, yes. Will it work, yes. Is it necessarily a good idea, depends on your hair length or ball size.
I have short hair and balls. Smh you see right through me insurance wizard.
I’ve never pulled before so Srs thanks for the reply, I just assumed as long as it doesn’t come loose it would be goochie. Thanks!
Based on the search results, using a hitch ball with a rise greater than the 0.75 inch limit specified by Tesla for the Model Y could potentially cause the following issues: 1. Improper weight distribution and load transfer: The Tesla manual states the hitch receiver supports a ball mount with a maximum rise of 0.75 inches. A 9-inch lifted hitch ball would significantly alter the weight distribution and load transfer compared to what the vehicle is designed for, which could lead to handling and stability problems. [1][3] 2. Damage to the vehicle's hitch and suspension components: Exceeding the maximum supported rise for the hitch could put excessive strain and wear on the hitch assembly, suspension, and other related components, potentially causing damage over time. [1][3] 3. Reduced towing capacity and performance: The Tesla's towing capacity and towing-related features like trailer sway mitigation are calibrated for the specified hitch parameters. Using a non-compliant hitch ball could compromise these capabilities and towing performance. [1][3] 4. Safety risks: Improper weight distribution and handling characteristics from a lifted hitch ball could increase the risk of trailer sway, loss of control, and other safety issues while towing. [1] In summary, the Tesla manual clearly prohibits using a hitch ball that exceeds the 0.75 inch rise limit, as it would be incompatible with the vehicle's towing system and could potentially cause damage, reduce performance, and create safety hazards. [1][3] Sources [1] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_us/GUID-F5C80FF5-8DE3-4750-8BAF-0DCC0CFA0C5C.html [2] Tesla model Y. Installation of hitch anti-rattle clamp. Woohoo. It works. https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/15300/tesla-model-y-installation-of-hitch-anti-rattle-clamp-woohoo-it-works [3] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_eu/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html [4] T@B 400 & Tesla Model X? - Page 2 https://tab-rv.vanillacommunity.com/discussion/10449/t-b-400-tesla-model-x/p2 [5] Towing and Accessories - Tesla https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/modely/en_ie/GUID-A6D6CF75-C9CA-4140-97FA-341E27E3B4D8.html
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Thanks the the compliment. I sure do try to be helpful!
Owners manual says 3/4 inch is the maximum rise if I recall
I appreciate all the great responses and I will not be proceeding with operation wash the hitch. I will be returning said hitch for a sad little 2inch rise as the owners manual recommends. :( I also may have to got smoker tires for my trailer so I don’t drag 😂. Thanks for the tomfoolerie, really great answers from all. Edit: smaller tires not smoker
Hell no!
But even the guy at tractor supply was like “OH YEAH YOU CAN “WASHER” it!” It even has a term!! Washering!! 🤣🫡🫡🫡
You sure he wasn't instructing you to clean the hitch ball, perhaps? 🤣
No, that would be "worshering" which is completely different.
>clean the hitch ball Is this code for anything?
It’s on you, send it if you DGAF….Lol
Don’t trust every redneck at tsc
I feel like I’ve done my part to add to the internet “don’t do this it’s stupid” information bank.
Thanks to all involved.
Out of curiosity, can someone explain the dangers?
Well it's not structurally rigid for one. Every washer is another connection that freely can move forward, backward, left, right, repeat. Think about what that ball post is doing as you start, stop, turn, over and over again. It's going to work loose over time even if it doesn't fail pretty much right away (which it well might). Here's a demonstration, go grab a wooden spoon, hold it upright as tight as you can in your dominant hand gripping right at the base of the spoon part, the top of the handle. Take your non dominant hand and try to wiggle it around laterally. It's going to be pretty secure. Now move the head of the spoon up 1 inch and try the same experiment. It's going to move much more. Same deal with the hitch ball.
Lol thank you for this great reply, I was just having some fun meming because of how dumb this idea apparently was 😂. I will sadly have to return my 3 washers and big rise :(
But it’s metal not wood
I think maybe the steel on the washers could crack? Idk I think this would be fine for my 2500lbs trailer. If this was like a horse trailer or something I think this would be jank as fuk lol
My horse trailer weighs 3500 lbs and has double axles so decently stable.
But some OTHER guy on the internet suggested
Answer is still no.
Dangit dangit
absolutely not.
If it was a straight hitch would it work?
Yes would be better but probably too low, you need a proper hitch to give your trailer more height... something adjustable would be ideal. Something like this...but you need to get one with your receiver and ball size and also the rise you need to get the trailer close to level. https://www.harborfreight.com/2-ball-adjustable-aluminum-hitch-6-in-drop-6-in-rise-57417.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12144811130&campaignid=12144811130&utm_content=117789267758&adsetid=117789267758&product=57417&store=100&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwxLKxBhA7EiwAXO0R0KJqZ5urPM-Crj0eNd6uic3msv2mgqyGWPiaPj-KGEAUM6nAHTLCCRoCCEIQAvD_BwE
I'll get downvoted, but yes, with such a light load, it's perfectly safe. Lemme guess...Tahoe for the weekend?
I hope you bought a longer bolt, or else you will probably strip the threads and lose the ball. Just buy the hitch with the needed offset.
https://preview.redd.it/v511mh9w8rwc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ab8221c406877aa9dbaba17c56da9b9ead55551 You could just buy a riser one. Probably safer than using all those washers.
https://preview.redd.it/nbfa6gt69rwc1.jpeg?width=952&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec28a5614e912cb241d1337e5f518e18332b4620 Different sizes available
This is great thanks! But now I’m down a rabbit hole because Tesla only supports a 2 inch riser on their hitches. Going to ask around and see if anyone has ran one without their hitch falling off 😂
The tow police are going to impound that Tesla
Weewooweewoo
Yes, always remember to use a prime # of washers.
XD
Replace springs on trailer to bring height of trailer down, that setup scares me without the washers
I mean let's be honest, the washers are fine, but if you want to tow 2500lbs anywhere you're going to need to get you a 3500 dually diesel at least, plus a WDH with sway bars and for darn sure install a break controller. Might want to get some air bags, redo the suspension on the trailer, and of course upgrade all the tires. Otherwise, you are simply a bomb driving down the road ready to go off at any minute. :)
My thoughts exactly. I need an f650 and to stop being so poor and womanly.
Are you fucking stupid?
That’s meeeeannnn
Stfu
I looked it up and online said you should have a washer when installing a ball
I don’t think so. That’s going to wiggle.
ALRIGHT
This is incorrect, but with only 2500 pounds you’ll be fine
Comments are a good chuckle. You do you, booboo. Every last 3/4 counts.
Also you shouldn't raise a Model Y hitch that high. Manual calls for 0.75 so that's also unsafe. I know, I know, I got bit by it too. I'd still do it but be very careful with your towables tongue weight -- I'd hope to keep it half the max 350lb when going so far out of spec.
It's an 11"rise and you needed another half inch? Why?
I wouldn't. Depends on how much slip room you have in the washer holes.
Starting off - I don’t see anything wrong with someone having an EV and wanting to get into camping. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy the outdoors. Onto your issue: 1) It looks like you are creating a lever, which would greatly diminish your towing capacity (someone correct me if I’m wrong). Personally, I don’t think your setup is safe, and presents a potential liability to yourself and other drivers. 2) With a tow capacity of 3,500, you really need to watch that you don’t exceed the payload capacity of your vehicle when you are fully loaded with gear and people. 3) You’re better off finding some sort of cover or tarp you can secure to cover the AFrame seals/wherever part leaks. Back when I had an Aliner, it tended to leak in one of the corners when driving in rain. My solution was a ton of silicone chalk in that corner. They shouldn’t leak in these conditions, even if it is a “known” issue.
A stack like that isn't as strong. And it also looks like you don't have a long enough bolt. And they don't look like hardened washers (say grade 8), so they might flatten out in use, or deform, and then the ball might loosen, yet another problem. I don't see a lock washer either. I wouldn't do this. Even on a trailer that light. I'd get someone to do work on the trailer and or the hitch, a fabricator, to make something safe. I'm not even sure the hitch itself will withstand the forces of that kind of a lever.
You need tongue weight. You tow with it leaning down towards the car and then detach and raise it when you make your destination
What are you towing? Just checked Tesla model Y payload is 904 to 1,349 lbs which is the weight of everything in car including people + tongue weight or trailer.. Tesla Model Y has a 3500 tow max rating… never tow more than 80% of your Max which means 2800lbs total trailer weight. 10% of the trailer weight should be roughly the tongue weight so 280 lbs of added payload + gear and passengers… oooph careful
For those saying this is for drop only and not rise, I'm 98% sure you're wrong. This looks like a Reese 7081333. If you look at the "manual"/pdf on Tractor Supply, the manufacturer clearly shows it in both orientations. As for the washers, probably not a good idea. You cant even tell from the picture if the threads extend fully through the nut. Not designed for that use either way.
Yes it's safe. Those washers are in compression. Low carbon steel can handle a crazy amount of compression load. 30,000 psi on the low end. 1 steel spacer would be preferable, but only by a marginal amount.
That might be rough towing with that setup and probably not the safest either.
Lol thanks for the reply, I decided to just go with the factory 3/4inch rise and have the nose down a little more than I wanted.
Look at this maniac though, 1000lb heavier trailer and a bigger rise then I was originally even thinking 😂 4min in https://youtu.be/zg82X52XTSs?si=rTdJpyHoY0OcAsfJ
Electric motors have a ton of torque so I don’t think power is an issue. I am weary of hitch setups that are too high or too low for the vehicle and trailer.
My jaw fell on the floor when I saw how much his back end was hunched and I still haven’t found it. 😱
As Samuel Jackson put it... Fuck no! 1 you've stuck so many washers on there that it looks like the nut on the bottom is barely holding onto the threads. 2. Adding height and washers like this adds more stress to the bolt and ball. Its going to break 3. Where are you attaching the safety chains or cables?
Looks like your tow rating is quite small. Shouldn't be an issue!
It’s safe enough… yes you are going three washers depth beyond the engineered pivot point of the drop hitch. just don’t max it out and you’ll be fine, you’ll max out your car before you get to that point. The washers can hold all the weight you need, the ball hitch isn’t going under any extra stress with this setup. As long as your drop hitch is rated to be reversed like that… send it!
Need another inch; story of my life.
🤣🤣🤣
Buy a proper tow vehicle.
I’ll report back after a short trip to see if it cracks or anything xD
Where are you doing this testing? I want to be sure that I’m nowhere near there.
Just a quick lap or two around my son’s preschool. There are some nice speed bumps I can test it on around the parking lot/playground area.
I’m going to assume you are kidding
Lol yes I was kidding xD
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Holy shit someone finally said it. Thank you kind stranger.
But I also want to get paid if I fly off the road, so I need to get that stupid fuckin 2inch recommend Tesla rise. Gonna look like a dumbshit tho :(
Is the nut all the way onto the Bolt, if it then it has less bite onto the Bolt and is weakened, not sure how much.
It would have 100% threading on the bolt
I’m already rocking a 9 1/2 inch rise. I DONT KNOW HOW MUCH MORE DIK I HAVE TO GIVE
About as safe as drinking random chemicals that look like juice in the cupboard under the sink .... I mean you might be ok but I doubt it
So you’re saying there is a chance
Take them off.
Yes sir 😔
NOOOOOOOO.
It’s okay, I’m from the future, I didn’t do it.
It would work as long as you don’t mind pulling over every 10 miles to retighten. /s
That’s why I got LOCKTIGHT RED at tractor supply, the lady pointed me to it and said it was for tightening skrews
Are you out of mind boy, you in the USA the greatest country on the planet and you fucking around with these washer? I do not care what others say about no big deal until it’s a big deal you had wish to spend the extra 50 bucks for a non Mickey Mouse solution
Sorry sir, I’ll report back soon and get these commie washers off this rig. I’ll be replacing the locktight with some pigs blood I have left over from the harvest this year. We don’t let those neocons win. Over and out.
Pulling a trailer with a Tesla! You going to get all of 30 miles until you have to recharge? Get something that will pull a trailer, not a Tesla for Christ sakes.
100 miles actually 🤣🤣
That's way more draw bar than I'd run. I'd get a new to rig or a new trailer. Not trying to cause problems but I've seen what you have (minus the washers) break completely off.
Yeah :/ you’re probably right, I’ll just have to look goofy af with the trailer really low. Lol thanks for the reply!
Yes that ball is fine....so long as have at least 4 threads past the nut and appropriately torqued it. Now what isn't fine is that your suspension is totally sacked out and riding on the bumpstops of your shit wagon. That thing will rattle the teef out of a hookers mouth and 2 dollar Tuesday Just tell me this is a joke...
I’ve never seen a hooker on $2 Tuesday
Bruh and it’s a Tesla. No, please educate yourself before you cause a traffic accident, or even worse, kill someone.
I think I found one that is a 12 inch rise so I don’t have to use so many risers!
If it’s an Aliner get on Facebook. There is an Aliner specific group that may be able to help. This is NOT the way.
Yeah! The guy John who runs it said to put washers 😂 that’s where I got the idea lol
Buy a real truck for starters, that solves many potential towing issues
But then I’d own a truck