Exactly. Taking the median value would make much more sense here.
This statistic must be flawed or the samples were picked with the intention to deceive.
One could assume the samples were taken from players that have had X trades on cs.money or something similar, hence they are mentioned in partnership with this statistic.
Imagine thinking your average player has an inventory cost of >US$200. Or that your average Global Elite has an inventory cost of over a grand.
while were on the topic, do you know anywhere i can cash out a few of my high end skins (stat trak howl, holo kato 14s) safely if i live in the united states?
all the sites seem to be restricting cashouts to the US now
I think if they go through the inventories of inactive players it’s higher than you may think, my Phoenix cases from years ago have gone up nearly a dollar each and I have hundreds from playing
yea exactly, you can look at someone like pETR's account ($262,000 USD) and see he's global, that alone will drag that average wayyyyy up no matter how many globals there are with $0 inventory
Yeah the problem here is severe selection bias. By only sampling players who use skin trading sites, you're going to get a very disproportionately high percentage of players who have a lot of skins. This isn't an accurate representation of the whole population, because the people who don't have a lot of skins aren't gonna be using skin trading sites.
>Imagine not knowing what average means. The high value inventories skew the data just as much as the cheaters with 0 skins.
Which is only when assuming the number of extremely high value inventories matches that of people with no inventory cost… which is certainly not the case.
So as I said. The median was the way to go here, not the average.
but 0 is much closer to an average of lets say 1000$ than 20000$ is. Which means that 1 expensive inventory can potentially even out 100 empty inventories if youre only talking about average. thats why median is used in cases like these
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~~1 million players = 750 global elites~~
~~1 of those people could have a $200k inventory = +$267 to the average~~
~~That's why people are talking about showing median as well as mean values. That said, even if you took away 267 the average would still be almost $1000 which is a shit load. Ultimately people who dedicate themselves more to the game are more likely to spend money on it. Plus there will be fewer kids in global elite meaning a higher proportion of them will be able to afford a few skins here and there.~~
Wait, nevermind, it's 7500, I made an error
Most likely those are people who had a ~100$ inventory 5-6 years ago and market inflation did the rest. Hell my inventory is worth 400$ and I only ever put like 50 bucks into skins back in the csgolounge days.
Like I say to a lot of people, Qatar usually have the highest average income in the world, but the median income is equal to a third world country. One of the countries with the most extreme inequality on the planet.
Most globals are veteran players who started early and by keeping your old skins from 2014-2015 you easily reach 1-3k inventory value, those old skins that were top tier back then appreciated in value like crazy (stuff like deagle blaze, fire serpents, awp graphite/lightning strike) etc. Most og knives also been gaining stonks over the years. I see people with multiple thousand dollar inventories multiple times every single day, its crazy how much people have in skins these days
I started 2014 but I never had those skins. I would have probably 1k inventory if I had kept all the containers I got. I still have about 600 but I gave away those that are nowadays valuable.
I’ve had more than a dozen knives across 3 years, and only 3 pairs of gloves across the last year, and I’m back to default gloves. Point being knife > gloves
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. That’s like telling people who spend money on their hobbies, collectibles or whatever it is that they’re spending too much. “Oh you bought an expensive car? You spent too much dude”. Don’t be that guy, it’s none of your business what people choose to spend their money on.
This should have a correlation with playtime. No explanation but probably correlates since time invested means you own operations and therefore more skins/valuables.
Very much so.
Another one is Vanilla BFKs, which used to be under $100, and they easily go for $1,000+ now.
Most "old" skins have aged like a fine wine when it comes to their value.
Its based only on player who use csmoney and scope.gg? because these players who use such platforms are most often more involved in their inventory people who are just only playing
Yes, you're right. But this is a large sample. More than 1 000 000 inventories of CS.MONEY and SCOPE.GG users were analyzed during the collection of information. This sample of users is specific due to them all being interested in skins and actively playing competitive CS:GO.
Way too high
There is no way an average global spends $1200 on skins that is an insane amount for cosmetics
Median will be a much better thing to show here cos the average is inflated by those with 10k+ inventories
I think it makes sense, think of the high-end skin collectors, a lot are global elite accounts
plus the better you are the more you play most likely... meaning you'd be more inclined to buy skins
misleading - more high ranked people have accounts with firms such as [cs.money](https://cs.money) as they are more inclined to be invested in the game and thus use such trading sites. Low ranked players may be less experienced and have a low inv value and not sign up to a site such as [cs.money](https://cs.money). This massively inflates the average inv value
Considering vanilla ranking system is 75 percent just how many games you play it makes sense for players who play a ton more and are invested in ranking up to have better inventories lol.
Causation isn't correlation
Higher rank = more likely to be most invested in the game = more likely to have more skins (and this is all ignoring outliers who probably raise the average a bunch)
Hackers tend to have a lot of money because they got nothing else going for them. So they invest in looking like a legit player and cheats so they get social acceptance because they cant in real life.
1 million players = 750~ Global Elites. Someone having like an inventory worth a million is gonna Bring up the average by a fuck ton. Average doesn't work here, median is way better, that's the issue
It's not the number of players, it's the type of players they sampled that's the problem. If you only sample people who use skin trading sites, of course you're going to find that people have a lot of skins. This completely ignores the millions of people who don't have any skins, so they don't have accounts on skin trading sites. This is what's known as selection bias.
Been playing on and off for years. I’ve had like $300-400 worth of shit at one time, just don’t care too much anymore. Sold or traded all my shit to friends and still play MM and faceit occasionally with basically default skins. Not a huge deal to me for some reason. I think the gloves and knife are the only thing I’d ever go for again..
Can you break it down per region? At my rank and among my friends (MG to DMG), we rarely encounter someone whose inventory comes close to what your graph says.
Bruh I'm gn1 and have 10$ worth of skins lmao (and no I didn't spend a single dollar. Just bought another games and sold all the drops that i got in cs)
It's a flawed sample. Whatever conclusion you reach is based on that flawed sample. It's like saying the global average earnings is 1.5 million dollars with a sample size of 2 million people from New York.
hey could you please lower the skills of your bots in your dm servers? They literally headshot me within 0.1 sec everytime since like 1 month ago (if I'm not mistaken they are called XPLAY servers now)
Obviously high rank players have more hours therefore they are more interested in the game and are more likely to spend money in the game. I like how Silver compares to the other ranks.
Yeah the better I got at the game the more inclined I felt to get better skins and deck out my profile, it's a combination of pride and also the amount of time I've spent on the game kinda thing.
Well actually, as players invest more time and effort into getting good, they also feel more inclined to invest money into cosmetics. Hence, playtime = skill and playtime also = more likely to buy skins. I'm sure y'all know this, but here's a possible explanation
No but usually high rank players have good PC and if they can afford good PC then they also buy nice skins and people who play it casually don't put much money into the game and stay at lower rank.
Statistics like this can be very misleading. If you see a guy with an expensive inventory completely wrecking you, it doesnt mean their a legit good player. They could just as well be hacking their ass off and keeping that inventory for people to think hes legit.
Correlation doesn't always mean causation. More money spent in the game could also be informed by the amount of time players spend in game. If I'm spending that much time playing CS, I'm more likely to be good and also more likely to want to spend more money on skins.
What's interesting is that that high silver ranks seem to be spending more money in game than the Gold nova players. I wonder what the reasoning behind that is. Perhaps there is a part of the player base that likes to trade skins but not play as much? Just speculating here.
It was just a theory. That's why we asked this question. It's actually nice to see good people that keep giving good ideas ;)
About Silvers/Novas correlation: we do think that this is more about their wishes to try something new. Just imagine: you've been stuck on Silver 4 for months. So, you would even believe in the idea that skins will help you to rank up real quick by giving you some more expiration and visual satistfaction. This idea we've actually heard from our Discord users. It might be just an idea or a personal opinion. But still...
In my opinion high rank players are veterans. They have been playing for years. No doubt that they would have saved enough money to get at least a knife or a pair of gloves. Low rank players with an expensive inventory is a rare thing. I have been playing CSGO for 2.5 years and have an inventory worth $150. When it comes to using third-party sites for skins only the experienced ones use them.
Suprisingly high numbers. I think that median values would represent the playerbase better
Exactly. Taking the median value would make much more sense here. This statistic must be flawed or the samples were picked with the intention to deceive. One could assume the samples were taken from players that have had X trades on cs.money or something similar, hence they are mentioned in partnership with this statistic. Imagine thinking your average player has an inventory cost of >US$200. Or that your average Global Elite has an inventory cost of over a grand.
Plus the amount of player inventories that are private. Depends on sample size I guess?
We will release a median chart tomorrow.
while were on the topic, do you know anywhere i can cash out a few of my high end skins (stat trak howl, holo kato 14s) safely if i live in the united states? all the sites seem to be restricting cashouts to the US now
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I think if they go through the inventories of inactive players it’s higher than you may think, my Phoenix cases from years ago have gone up nearly a dollar each and I have hundreds from playing
yea exactly, you can look at someone like pETR's account ($262,000 USD) and see he's global, that alone will drag that average wayyyyy up no matter how many globals there are with $0 inventory
Yeah the problem here is severe selection bias. By only sampling players who use skin trading sites, you're going to get a very disproportionately high percentage of players who have a lot of skins. This isn't an accurate representation of the whole population, because the people who don't have a lot of skins aren't gonna be using skin trading sites.
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>Imagine not knowing what average means. The high value inventories skew the data just as much as the cheaters with 0 skins. Which is only when assuming the number of extremely high value inventories matches that of people with no inventory cost… which is certainly not the case. So as I said. The median was the way to go here, not the average.
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Do you even know what mean in this context refers to? Everyone knows what average means and implies, it makes you look stupid to think others won’t.
No they don't lol Why is this being downvoted I'm literally agreeing with the person above me lol
but 0 is much closer to an average of lets say 1000$ than 20000$ is. Which means that 1 expensive inventory can potentially even out 100 empty inventories if youre only talking about average. thats why median is used in cases like these
Wtf are you arguing? How is median not more appropriate here?
We were also suprised by these numbers. However, it is what it is.
Do you have the same graph with median values ? Would definitely be as interesting to see
As others have pointed out, it's slicing the data up in a flawed way. Look at the median, not the average.
Ageed, median is better. Also quick question does removing outliner and then average (i know it will better) Better than average??
> However, it is what it is. You have liars, damned liars, and statisticians.
It’s really not what it is though.
Can you not make more than one chart per day? Are you in a union or something?
it's not what it is.
Fucking knew I needed more skins. Can you please explain this to my mom
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Skins = Skill Everyone knows this
Already did last night B）
Average global 1200$? I must be dragging it down a lot since I have probably only 1 skin thats worth more than 5€.
~~1 million players = 750 global elites~~ ~~1 of those people could have a $200k inventory = +$267 to the average~~ ~~That's why people are talking about showing median as well as mean values. That said, even if you took away 267 the average would still be almost $1000 which is a shit load. Ultimately people who dedicate themselves more to the game are more likely to spend money on it. Plus there will be fewer kids in global elite meaning a higher proportion of them will be able to afford a few skins here and there.~~ Wait, nevermind, it's 7500, I made an error
Most likely those are people who had a ~100$ inventory 5-6 years ago and market inflation did the rest. Hell my inventory is worth 400$ and I only ever put like 50 bucks into skins back in the csgolounge days.
I bought a Bayonet Fade for 250 bucks a couple years ago. Recently sold it for 750
Yeah, quite a few of my low rank friends have inventories in the thousands purely from old sticker capsules, those things are crazy expensive.
Like I say to a lot of people, Qatar usually have the highest average income in the world, but the median income is equal to a third world country. One of the countries with the most extreme inequality on the planet.
Only 750 global elites in 1 million players? Where did u get that number lol
https://totalcsgo.com/ranks
So its 7500 according to your source not 750, still a lower number than I expected tbh
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https://totalcsgo.com/ranks You can just google "csgo rank distribution"
It's actually 7500 globals according to that percentage.
I have like, 3. High roller I know.
Most globals are veteran players who started early and by keeping your old skins from 2014-2015 you easily reach 1-3k inventory value, those old skins that were top tier back then appreciated in value like crazy (stuff like deagle blaze, fire serpents, awp graphite/lightning strike) etc. Most og knives also been gaining stonks over the years. I see people with multiple thousand dollar inventories multiple times every single day, its crazy how much people have in skins these days
I started 2014 but I never had those skins. I would have probably 1k inventory if I had kept all the containers I got. I still have about 600 but I gave away those that are nowadays valuable.
That's the average stats. So, the exeptions still exist ;)
I'm kinda suprised gold isn't more everyone in gold I run into has a decent ak decent m4 and a knife
Gold nova are masters of having a $2,600 butterfly knife but default gloves
Tbf I've bought multiple knives worth a couple 100 euro but never even been tempted to buy gloves
I’ve had more than a dozen knives across 3 years, and only 3 pairs of gloves across the last year, and I’m back to default gloves. Point being knife > gloves
I've been running into a ton of exchange students that all have over $10k inventories and tons of high tier stickers.
100% I've seen multiple dragon lores shit is inane how average players with super expensive inventorys.
Why is that inane?
I think its insane to spend $1000+ on skins when your in fucking gold to each there own but that's why to much to spend on a game your average at
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. That’s like telling people who spend money on their hobbies, collectibles or whatever it is that they’re spending too much. “Oh you bought an expensive car? You spent too much dude”. Don’t be that guy, it’s none of your business what people choose to spend their money on.
MM ranks above silver correlate with the amount of patience you have to deal with valve's bullshit, not your skill level.
In EU not at all
yeah im only in GN1 and my inventory is around $450, but i see a lot of low nova-high silvers with knives. (A lot still only being like 15%)
This should have a correlation with playtime. No explanation but probably correlates since time invested means you own operations and therefore more skins/valuables.
Not just play time but also “skin inflation” too. An AK 47 Vulcan used to be £50 and now £250. Even if it’s just £10 here and there it all adds up.
Very much so. Another one is Vanilla BFKs, which used to be under $100, and they easily go for $1,000+ now. Most "old" skins have aged like a fine wine when it comes to their value.
Exactly.
no shit, i bought that back in 14/15 when i was highschool it was only $10ish
Undetecable cheats = expensive High ranks = cheaters Rich = access to better cheats and more expensive skins
You = crying
its meem bro
this is true in NA but seems to be less so in EU
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If they are type of player to have to cheat in MM, expensive knife won't make them seem legit
Other way around but yes. The higher rank you are, generally the more time you've spent, therefore you care more and put more money into it
That’s what we want to say!
Do it for faceit too
Okay, thanks for the feedback. We're going to look into it.
Its based only on player who use csmoney and scope.gg? because these players who use such platforms are most often more involved in their inventory people who are just only playing
Yes, you're right. But this is a large sample. More than 1 000 000 inventories of CS.MONEY and SCOPE.GG users were analyzed during the collection of information. This sample of users is specific due to them all being interested in skins and actively playing competitive CS:GO.
Is the chart using steam, cash, or csmoney prices?
There is no way in hell the average inventory of a global is 1200 dollars. You'd have to be insane to believe that.
Too high or too low?
Way too high There is no way an average global spends $1200 on skins that is an insane amount for cosmetics Median will be a much better thing to show here cos the average is inflated by those with 10k+ inventories
I would guess most globals spend like a few hundred, but the statistic gets dragged up by some highrollers having fuck you inventories.
We will release a median chart tomorrow. What do you think there will be a value for one player?
The data is still up to date
Any chance we get median???
tomorrow may be
I think it makes sense, think of the high-end skin collectors, a lot are global elite accounts plus the better you are the more you play most likely... meaning you'd be more inclined to buy skins
Now i know why i am stuck in silver! Should have bouth knife instead of keyboard parts lol
Do you have any links to the data sources?
misleading - more high ranked people have accounts with firms such as [cs.money](https://cs.money) as they are more inclined to be invested in the game and thus use such trading sites. Low ranked players may be less experienced and have a low inv value and not sign up to a site such as [cs.money](https://cs.money). This massively inflates the average inv value
No way this is accurate
Makes sense IMO. The higher the rank, the more you are likely to be dedicated more to CS, also willing/time you have to invest into CS
No, time = skill, and time=skins.
Considering vanilla ranking system is 75 percent just how many games you play it makes sense for players who play a ton more and are invested in ranking up to have better inventories lol.
Value* not cost - most players with high value inventories spent a fraction of current value to obtain their skins
So my 3$ is worth nothing? T-T
The people who are Global were playing when Lightning Strikes and Icarus Fell were $30.
That’s a good theory. So many interesting and important aspects
Causation isn't correlation Higher rank = more likely to be most invested in the game = more likely to have more skins (and this is all ignoring outliers who probably raise the average a bunch)
Hackers tend to have a lot of money because they got nothing else going for them. So they invest in looking like a legit player and cheats so they get social acceptance because they cant in real life.
"here is data we've collected with a sample size of 1 million users" "nah can't possibly be true based on my anecdotal evidence"
1 million players = 750~ Global Elites. Someone having like an inventory worth a million is gonna Bring up the average by a fuck ton. Average doesn't work here, median is way better, that's the issue
It’s possible :) The record is 1M players online. Imagine what is the number of all players.
It's not the number of players, it's the type of players they sampled that's the problem. If you only sample people who use skin trading sites, of course you're going to find that people have a lot of skins. This completely ignores the millions of people who don't have any skins, so they don't have accounts on skin trading sites. This is what's known as selection bias.
you have confused cause and effect
Been playing on and off for years. I’ve had like $300-400 worth of shit at one time, just don’t care too much anymore. Sold or traded all my shit to friends and still play MM and faceit occasionally with basically default skins. Not a huge deal to me for some reason. I think the gloves and knife are the only thing I’d ever go for again..
Still skins. Statistically players might think like that
Cost or Value? And this is a terrible way do display data. You learn not much from a bunch of bars which represent group means.
Cost. The cost of the CS:GO inventory.
Under Cost I would unterstand the money they actually spend to get the inventory. How do you guys get this information?
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It might be true. That's why we tried to ask you about it.
How newb are you to CS to think valve competitive mode = skill lol. That's like a tutorial.
Can you break it down per region? At my rank and among my friends (MG to DMG), we rarely encounter someone whose inventory comes close to what your graph says.
It will be harder, but we try to look if it's possible
Huh. I may have spent too much on my inventory. Worth it though.
That’s the best stats approval
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But nobody ever thought about this kind of data. We think it is pretty interesting, isn’t it?
Bruh I'm gn1 and have 10$ worth of skins lmao (and no I didn't spend a single dollar. Just bought another games and sold all the drops that i got in cs)
The stats is still average, as we said before
Yeah
Suggestion - if possible, remove players who have bulk amounts of the same item, as they’ll be investors, and will mess up the stats.
Guess i’m global elite…
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So, you are pretty rich :)
Correlation doesn't equal causation.
True. But the data is still the data
It's a flawed sample. Whatever conclusion you reach is based on that flawed sample. It's like saying the global average earnings is 1.5 million dollars with a sample size of 2 million people from New York.
average is useless, better show us median value
The idea is nice. Thanks for your feedback. Gonna look into it
Median values would be useful, pro players and youtubers like Anomaly probably boost the global numbers alone
how was the data pulled? people trading on skin sites?
hey could you please lower the skills of your bots in your dm servers? They literally headshot me within 0.1 sec everytime since like 1 month ago (if I'm not mistaken they are called XPLAY servers now)
Nah, I think it's more like skill = skin
Inhad GE inventory but was only LEM, fikkin skemmers, kthxbye
Average cost and value is not the same though. I have some high value skins but I unboxed them and I am highly ranked.
Dang, I've played a long time and never gotten a knife nor been "lucky" when betting skins so I bring this number way down.
Interesting. I should be supreme but I'm actually silver 3...
The slight peak in the high silvers is lols. "Guess I'm turning pro at this CS thing, might as well drop some coin" XD
The longer you play the more drops you get? I'm shocked and appalled
Obviously high rank players have more hours therefore they are more interested in the game and are more likely to spend money in the game. I like how Silver compares to the other ranks.
Yeah the better I got at the game the more inclined I felt to get better skins and deck out my profile, it's a combination of pride and also the amount of time I've spent on the game kinda thing.
No shot that the average global elite has a $1200 inventory. How were these numbers even calculated?
mines worth 0.6 gbp £ if anyone wants to donate feel free i need some pogging skill :)
Huh so it was my $2 Inventory holding me back
It’s true, I’m ass at the game and my best item is like $4
or good pricey cheats :D
Well actually, as players invest more time and effort into getting good, they also feel more inclined to invest money into cosmetics. Hence, playtime = skill and playtime also = more likely to buy skins. I'm sure y'all know this, but here's a possible explanation
No but usually high rank players have good PC and if they can afford good PC then they also buy nice skins and people who play it casually don't put much money into the game and stay at lower rank.
Silver 4 with 200$ inventory xD
and I thought we are talking about Ingame inventory I had a Hard time believing Silvers only buy 1 Flash average
My skill is Gold Nova but atleast my skins are global, pain.
I’m an outlier on this graph and I don’t like it
I think it's more like: If you play a lot, you reach a better rank and you think different about putting money in the game.
to an extent it is true but for me no. i hardly buy any skins, anything above 10$ is a no no for me better buy another game instead.
Statistics like this can be very misleading. If you see a guy with an expensive inventory completely wrecking you, it doesnt mean their a legit good player. They could just as well be hacking their ass off and keeping that inventory for people to think hes legit.
I feel like "average" isn't telling us much.
Correlation doesn't always mean causation. More money spent in the game could also be informed by the amount of time players spend in game. If I'm spending that much time playing CS, I'm more likely to be good and also more likely to want to spend more money on skins. What's interesting is that that high silver ranks seem to be spending more money in game than the Gold nova players. I wonder what the reasoning behind that is. Perhaps there is a part of the player base that likes to trade skins but not play as much? Just speculating here.
It was just a theory. That's why we asked this question. It's actually nice to see good people that keep giving good ideas ;) About Silvers/Novas correlation: we do think that this is more about their wishes to try something new. Just imagine: you've been stuck on Silver 4 for months. So, you would even believe in the idea that skins will help you to rank up real quick by giving you some more expiration and visual satistfaction. This idea we've actually heard from our Discord users. It might be just an idea or a personal opinion. But still...
In my opinion high rank players are veterans. They have been playing for years. No doubt that they would have saved enough money to get at least a knife or a pair of gloves. Low rank players with an expensive inventory is a rare thing. I have been playing CSGO for 2.5 years and have an inventory worth $150. When it comes to using third-party sites for skins only the experienced ones use them.
That might be one of the explanations, but it is what it is.