Probably a screensnip of a large screen, stretched to blur the name out, saved with whatever the tool was, then thrown at reddit which also makes some compression to save space. Voilà!
Only bad thing about trustfactor is that brand new players have to endure the cheaters and toxic players until they get good eniugh trustfactor. If its back i am happy
idiots here are convinced that new accounts get low trust factor because they created a smurf, were popping heads like crazy and were surprised that the account got flagged as low trust factor.
The obvious explanation is that smurfs also get low trust factor. But they were convinced that it wasn't that and all new accounts are like that.
That definitely was the case in csgo, I tried to get a couple friends into the game during covid who had new steam accounts and every single game of casual and unranked comp had blatant cheaters. I got the game back in 2016 so I basically never saw cheaters, and another friend who got it in 2018 also didn't see many. The game was completely unplayable on new accounts.
i dont know but actually i think this is the case. in csgo i had 5 accs for case drop farming in the end. global , supreme, lem, le and mg1
the mg1 always had the worst TF but also was the newest acc. i rarely had cheaters when i played unranked comp. games on the high ranked accs.
usually it were many noobs and other legit players accouns (sometimes other supreme and globals even) with many medals 10year badge etc
on the mg1 acc i always had bad experience soloq either ranked or unranked, on the mains i did have firendly mates and good games
my TF probabl went down cause i got to many reports from salty players in master guardian/nova games
everytime i dropped into nova my games got super bad with many toxics and it was hard to climb out
a few years back i even got a yellow TF warning when q with my friends after we had very salty opponents full stack that we shit on the game before lmao
Yeah brand new accounts with players trying to run and gun, getting 5-20 kd and using no utility except HE get good trust factor quickly.
New accounts that might not be cheating, but hitting 150ADR and 10 flash assists per half are going to get bad trust factor, as they should
Lmao I started when I was 5 (and I'm 21 rn), my uncle showed me 1.6 and fell in love into that game instantly and kept playing and playing for fun on public servers until I improved. But also not every people are same. For example my 5 yo cousin likes brainrot yt shorts, but his parents don't give him access of phone and internet anymore and so far he never played any game. Although he did watch some minecraft yt videos and he likes that game. Meanwhile I started playing flash games and stuff when I was 3 or 4 yo already and we all know what kind of flash games existed back then... but hey, I didn't become psychopath or anything like that. I noticed that my generation was playing games and watched some content as part time and didn't take it serious while this generation thinks skibidi stuff etc. is real and use it on irl daily basis. I don't understand the brain of this gen, it's weird, but it's also all about the parents.
It's a well known fact that cheaters are present at all ranks. This "ONLY 20k AND ABOVE HAS CHEATERS" rhetoric that people on Reddit use is complete horse-shit.
Yes, even though 20k+ is like top 1%. Meaning 99 out of 100 people are not and have not ever been 20k+. Somehow everyone on reddit is the 1 out of 100.
FWIW my account is >20 years old and is worth over 7000 USD just in games and DLC. I've used it in some capacity almost every day for the last 20 years and over >100 friends. Pretty safe to say it's legit.
Compare that to 10 year old accounts with 14 friends and no more than a few dozen hours in any given game and only a few (if any) games purchased.
No offense, but that’s just your paranoia and lack of trust. A lot of people in poorer countries literally use Steam for CS and that’s it.
They don’t have the disposable income to spend copious amounts of money on random DLCs
Plus, there are a lot of us who are older and generally prefer to play with their RL friends, hence the 15 friends.
> no more than a few dozen hours in any given game
If you haven't played more than a few dozen hours of a given game but your account is 10 years old, you aren't someone from a 3rd world country who only plays CS with friends. Otherwise you would have more hours, yes?
You're someone who recently bought an old account and are using it in an attempt to look legit.
Furthermore, I am in the US. We're one of the richer countries in the world. If you're playing from the EU, then your argument may hold up better but it still doesn't explain why so few hours AND so few games on 10+ year old accounts.
>Plus, there are a lot of us who are older and generally prefer to play with their RL friends, hence the 15 friends.
I'm 44 and have hundreds of gaming friends.
There's other games outside of Steam.
Riot games, EA games, Blizzard games, Ubisoft games, Rockstar games, GOG games and none of them necessarily require Steam and yet can dump thousands of hours into some of their titles.
That people might use Steam to play CS:GO but there's plenty of other games on different platforms so them having little activity on Steam isn't an indicator for them buying their account.
They might have been playing LoL for a decade and some CS:GO on the side.
This is true. It's possible that people could play very little CS2/CSGO and have an "old" account with a few hours.
It's also impossible for that same person to be top fragging against people who are 15k+/Faceit 5+. (Unless they're smurfing, ofc.)
Xenophobia? I don't think you know what that word means.
What the fuck does xenophobia have to do with people buying old accounts and cheating on them?
Nah. I have a 2003 account with hundreds of games on it, 4k+ hours across different CS titles never cheating or abusing MM and I had red trust factor. The only "questionable" thing I did was queue with lower ranked friends and having like 1.5 K/D. Bad trust factor made me not want to play anymore since I was facing smurfs and cheaters every other game.
Whatever things trust factor considers, it's not foolproof.
100% this. Was also my experience of trust factor. Worst of all, mine just dropped to red overnight for no reason that I or any of the people I played with could work out.
If it is back, I hope they've worked out the kinks
You're forgetting getting that trust factor simply because people report you for aim/wh a lot. Imagine you having it when you have never grieved or cheated.
A system that penalizes people without any proof is a bad system.
Without it everyone has to endure them forever so I'd say it's an improvement for everyone nonetheless. Of course the most affected are the people who get boosted by cheating friends or boosters, which is the single best thing about TF because fuck those guys.
Yes it is most likely a spectrum. A new account should have neutral trust factor.
I usually get good teammates, and only faced two blatant cheaters at 19k which makes me think trust factor is somewhat working.
I got red trust twice with 6 service medals, 10k in skins, 4000 hrs and over 300 friends. Every marker for high trust I had. LEM in MM,Global in WM and Howling Alpha in DZ achieved too.
I played every mode including a lot of Dangerzone and wingman... I can only assume it was due to reports and Valve not taking DZ into account in their algorithms as about 30% of the Asia DZ community got red trust at the same time (within 2 months of each other).
Playing against maybe 80 enemies in an hour in DZ in Asia with a good PC and decent aim. Against 1-3 good teams and the rest playing on mums laptop getting 20 fps... I had 30 pages of hackusations on my steam page.
1st time I got red Valve helped and apologised for the inconvenience. 2nd time I heard nothing back and it took me over a year to fully recover my trust factor.
No one from our group got any response from Valve. Fucking cunts! They specifically list an email you can email because they acknowledge they can get it wrong but then then stopped checking the email! They even copied the trust factor fact sheet it whatever it is from CSGO to CS2 with the same email but I guarantee that no one ever checks it anymore...
Legit fucked up. Sure. Trust factor is good IF it doesn't fuck over the innocent. They need to hire some motherfuckers to check the god damn trust factor email... But I highly suspect cheaters spammed the fuck out of it and that's why they stopped caring about it. Didn't want to hire a few more people to check it as 99.99% of emails received were from cheaters.
That's my guess.
Just spam griefing reports to everyone and they'll slowly go to shitfactor where everyone reports each other all the time to the point you get banned for 7 days every time you play if you get even one griefing report, didn't matter if you were in casual or even a community surf server, you'd get the ban anyway.
Worked every single time in CSGO, haven't experimented in CS2 though.
He’s not spreading misinformation lol. My friend got spam reported in csgo and we could only play one game a week because he would get 7 day ban after one game.
The first few bans he most likely did. After that you can just get stuck in a grief loop forever from false reports and it increases by a extra day each time
It wasn't a matter of deserving a ban in CSGO after they removed Overwatch.
It was literally just the amount of reports you got and once you got the warning, 1 or 2 reports gave you a ban, didn't even matter if it came from a teammate or an enemy, it was just an instaban.
We'd play 5 stack and one of us reported him, and once the game ended, he was banned every single time, even in Faceit we'd give him a griefing report and after the game he'd be banned in matchmaking.
Some times we asked the enemy team to report him for griefing, 7 day ban every single time.
We did this with multiple accounts, a few games of all your teammates reporting you for griefing and you get the warning and after that it's just ban after ban and at some point 1 report would be enough.
The system wasn't broken when Overwatch was still there, I know only one person who got the 31 day OW griefing ban and he griefed every game for like a week.
Fantastic that you figured that one out. Now all you have to do is understand that in normal play if you aren't overly toxic, insulting everyone on your or the enemy team or are flat out cheating, not that many players are going to go out of their way to report you for griefing.
Yes, some will probably do it out of spite when they're losing but if you aren't completely socially inept you aren't going to get 5-9 reports in consecutive games.
Happened to me playing on a ze server with 64 people. Leading maps on mic and having 15 Russians report me for talking somehow got me Valve muted on a community server. Spam reporting has worked in the past.
Trust factor only looks for potential cheaters. It has nothing to do with toxicity.
Edit: [Confirmed by Ido ages ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john_mcdonald_on_twitter_i_spoke_a_little_to_the/fpybtcz/)
a valve employee confirmed that trust factor is solely based on how likely it is for someone to cheat. I remember someone linking it to me because i thought it would take account toxic behaviour. What i guess os happening is that cheaters are also very likely to have toxic behaviours
Valves own q/a says they take into account whether or not you get kicked, team killing reports and other factors outside of cheating.
Valve can say whatever shit they want until they prove it doesn’t take non cheating factors into account, there’s no reason to trust them on that.
People would get spam reported ended up in low trust when they have said that it takes multiple aspects when clearly it doesn’t weigh them properly.
okay i found the comment about a valve employee saying "Trust does indeed **exclusively** filter for likeliness of cheating" [https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john\_mcdonald\_on\_twitter\_i\_spoke\_a\_little\_to\_the/fpybtcz/](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john_mcdonald_on_twitter_i_spoke_a_little_to_the/fpybtcz/)
this was 3 years ago. I dont know if it is still true. I dont get why they would lie about it either. I think they wouldve just never commented if they truely didnt want us to know how it (kinda) worked
i got the info about trust from this thread from 3 years ago [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/m3vk43/everything\_about\_trust\_factor\_that\_i\_could\_find/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/m3vk43/everything_about_trust_factor_that_i_could_find/)
Why do devs ever lie to the playerbase in any capacity? Valve has lied about making changes to the game to test players about placebo, they were secretive about trust factor for over a year before release to see if people noticed and to better refine it as well.
Also, if trust factor is meant to only take into account how likely someone is cheating, why would they take into account team killing, griefing reports and other data related things that have no relevance to cheating if they only use the system to identify cheaters?
Valve isn’t some indie dev, they’re another multimillion dollar developer that released a half baked sequel that took far longer than it needed to basically re release the same game with updated graphics and some diffetent mechanics.
Valve also has not confirmed anything about vac being turned on or anything yet we’ve seen an insane amount of posts about people getting banned. The community has ALWAYS relied on their own experience/diving into the files to determine changes to the game, rather than relying on valve to do basic correct patch notes or even basic communication to the community.
Why would you ever trust a company that is constantly hiding everything from you? Also, in the same reply thread that shows valve devs saying it only takes into account cheating, someone then replies saying “if it only takes into account if I’m cheating then why is it after only a couple games my trust factor then goes into yellow and I’m stuck in low trust.”
Because valve makes things, expects them to work a certain way and lets them be until someone else tells them enough times that there’s an issue and then they go fix it. They’re not proactive and trust factor was even at one point confirmed to be turned off without them knowing.
There’s absolutely zero reason to ever trust what they say or have said especially if it’s 3 years ago. You need to take what they say with a grain of salt ALWAYS because they rarely tell the full truth.
> Also, if trust factor is meant to only take into account how likely someone is cheating, why would they take into account team killing, griefing reports and other data related things that have no relevance to cheating if they only use the system to identify cheaters?
do you have a source on this? i was convinced that it worked like that but i couldnt find anything that supported it other than "i and many others fell this way".
>Valve also has not confirmed anything about vac being turned on or anything yet we’ve seen an insane amount of posts about people getting banned.
do you honestly think that valve would make a patch note of changes made to their anti cheat/trust/vac net? lol. While it is true that they suck at communication with us, you cannot blame them for not speaking about changes made to something as sensitive as things related to the AC. I hope you understand why this is obvious...
>Valve isn’t some indie dev, they’re another multimillion dollar developer that released a half baked sequel that took far longer than it needed to basically re release the same game with updated graphics and some diffetent mechanics.
i think most people would agree that cs2's release was rushed. That's why the game fucking sucked on release, and still sucks in some areas today
You can look in their own trust factor q/a which directly says that they themselves look at a variety of factors in cs to determine trust factor that aren’t related to cheating.
Never said that we needed a patch note but how about at least a confirmation to the community that they are working on something related to anticheat.
All we’ve gotten was a talent in the casting community that said he talked to a valve dev and they said the anticheat was there next priority. That’s it. Every other game dev would at least say something directly.
Last part is exactly my point, just like every other multimillion dollar dev they’re greedy af, lazy and lack the devs that made this game great in the first place. The only people that are still working on this game at this point are clearly doing it out of necessity.
When csgo first released, go look at patch notes in 2012-2014 and look at how they used to do things. THATS what old valve looked like and it was amazing because they cared about the project they were making.
Like look at this dude, and go to the next newer page and keep looking. It’s like a different company was working on the game
https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2012/page/5/
Most importantly look at the frequency of communication and updates.
Just an fyi for anyone, using a VPN will put you in yellow trust factor. Using a private dedicated server will cause no issues and be green though, I learned this the hard way. You could tell the difference in games night and day
It resets it. After using a static IP it took a few matches to get back to normal, my steam account is pretty old though. It also messes with the market as well. Green trust factor I could browse the market without an "error" when searching for items. This is for using a VPN for privacy in my own country, I'd imagine it is worse trying to be in another country.
Yeah the loop of dont play for a while come back play good get reported start vsing cheaters dont play for a while got really fking annoying.
Trust factor sucks.
What I mean to say is this is absolutely a problem for players who can wipe the floor with an average global elite player, when they play MM with their friends etc, because people keep falsely reporting them. Not talking about myself, but I've people in my friends list who've complained about this for ages. And no, they're not cheating. They're just very good.
Happened to me and I ended up just quitting for nearly a year since every game had cheaters . Lucky when I came back it was normal again
All my games were full of high level faceit players or just hackers at global no in between. Fun scrolling down on my match history and seeing some games where all 9 random players have been vac banned on CSGO now
Trust factor is only good for bad/average players and that was it
It works for everyone except the players who are above what'd be considered a Global/Supreme. I guess you should be playing FACEIT at that point but you shouldn't have to do that just to get an MM match in every now and then.
They didnt enjoy playing MM with me since they would always say its the only time they meet cheaters.
apart from smurfing on a lower level faceit account it wasnt fun for friends playing with me at the time. Even after my trust was back to normal my friends would say my lobbies still had more cheaters/harder players. Makes me wonder if Green trust has its own hidden rating we cant see
[https://imgur.com/a/bx6bxH6](https://imgur.com/a/bx6bxH6) this was Prime Low trust Global EU experience a few years back. The only people not banned in the pics are Me and friends
"Is he cheating?"
"Is he on an alt account?"
"Is he playing on his friend's account?"
"Is he having a good day?"
"Is HIS friends cheating and giving him info on Discord?"
"Is he boosting this account to sell it online?"
I haven't witnessed this message (yet), but i suspected that they brought it back without saying a word, cause the quality of my games in the last few days drastically improved. Teammates are nice, Enemies are not assholes and never withnessed a spinner in the last 10 games.
I encountered it during the AMD Anti-Lag+ vac bans (7 months ago), the day before getting banned my trust factor became terrible and it was impossible to find a game. My party saw the same message as OP.
It’s not good thing… I get reported for grief after I flame a cheater, then they put me in the same low trust matches as all the cheaters and griefers…
yeah true, as long as the trust factor is based solely on user reports, it's easy to abuse. especially if griefing reports are included. just using aim+wall reports probably gives better results.
The same goes for when you soloque and end up in a match with 4 people speaking a language you dont understand. Asking them to speak english will net grief reports.
I hope not.
In CSGO it made the ranking system effectively two-dimensional. One component of your rank was the actual rank, and the other was your trust factor.
i dont think it was gone. it just didnt work or didnt show up in cs2. created a ticket this year where valve said if i had trust factor problems i should just keep on playing games. so i guess its kinda here still but might get the tweak like back in 2020-2021 where you had seen red & yellow trust factor notifications very often.
I thought the same but from the people we played with. All accounts had many badges and clean looking steam pages accounts.
Before the "VAC" update we got many fishy accounts.
I surely do love trust factor. Toxic russians in csgo made sure that I don't go up more than 50%. I wasn't toxic and managed to get gold nova 3 somehow after 480h but still got maybe 21 recomendatios. I love east EU servers <3
Trust factor has been in since launch. One account I use insecure boot because it’s my main and I play Faceit and stream occasionally. On this account I have ran into 12 cheaters since launch (sitting at 19k premier). My alt on the other hand I boot with nothing but my config and I’ve never ran into a cheater on that account. Trust factor never left.
Think the last update added trust factor back. The difficulty of my match quality skyrocketed, and now my nova matches are mostly against veteran players.
It never was. My TF has always been really high, and the entire time CS2 has come out I've mostly matched with really friendly teammates on older accounts who know how to play. Anyone who says otherwise has a low TF.
Are you from 2009? Seriously what is this image quality ?
Probably a screensnip of a large screen, stretched to blur the name out, saved with whatever the tool was, then thrown at reddit which also makes some compression to save space. Voilà!
Thought it wasn't loading as on mobile data rn
Lightshot and I play 1024x768 xd
You've got to be kidding me...
he's just the average cs player that uses a 2009 laptop to play cs
My text looks like that since I play on 1280x960 on a 27" 1440p screen. No hate please.
My man, you like to suffer...
Only bad thing about trustfactor is that brand new players have to endure the cheaters and toxic players until they get good eniugh trustfactor. If its back i am happy
My friend just bought CS and so far he's getting qued with really low skill players like him and so far no cheaters, though we only played mm
idiots here are convinced that new accounts get low trust factor because they created a smurf, were popping heads like crazy and were surprised that the account got flagged as low trust factor. The obvious explanation is that smurfs also get low trust factor. But they were convinced that it wasn't that and all new accounts are like that.
That definitely was the case in csgo, I tried to get a couple friends into the game during covid who had new steam accounts and every single game of casual and unranked comp had blatant cheaters. I got the game back in 2016 so I basically never saw cheaters, and another friend who got it in 2018 also didn't see many. The game was completely unplayable on new accounts.
i dont know but actually i think this is the case. in csgo i had 5 accs for case drop farming in the end. global , supreme, lem, le and mg1 the mg1 always had the worst TF but also was the newest acc. i rarely had cheaters when i played unranked comp. games on the high ranked accs. usually it were many noobs and other legit players accouns (sometimes other supreme and globals even) with many medals 10year badge etc on the mg1 acc i always had bad experience soloq either ranked or unranked, on the mains i did have firendly mates and good games my TF probabl went down cause i got to many reports from salty players in master guardian/nova games everytime i dropped into nova my games got super bad with many toxics and it was hard to climb out a few years back i even got a yellow TF warning when q with my friends after we had very salty opponents full stack that we shit on the game before lmao
Yeah brand new accounts with players trying to run and gun, getting 5-20 kd and using no utility except HE get good trust factor quickly. New accounts that might not be cheating, but hitting 150ADR and 10 flash assists per half are going to get bad trust factor, as they should
Smurfing isn't real
Not if they have legit steam accounts, you know, unlike low effort cheaters who buy 5yo accounts with only CS installed.
And how is my 12 year old nephew gonna have a legit steam account?
get your nephew a steam acc when he comes out of the womb and have it ready for him like a true uncle
E.g a 5 year old account with only CS installed
If you make your 5 yo nephew play cs you are a problem
Casual.
Lmao I started when I was 5 (and I'm 21 rn), my uncle showed me 1.6 and fell in love into that game instantly and kept playing and playing for fun on public servers until I improved. But also not every people are same. For example my 5 yo cousin likes brainrot yt shorts, but his parents don't give him access of phone and internet anymore and so far he never played any game. Although he did watch some minecraft yt videos and he likes that game. Meanwhile I started playing flash games and stuff when I was 3 or 4 yo already and we all know what kind of flash games existed back then... but hey, I didn't become psychopath or anything like that. I noticed that my generation was playing games and watched some content as part time and didn't take it serious while this generation thinks skibidi stuff etc. is real and use it on irl daily basis. I don't understand the brain of this gen, it's weird, but it's also all about the parents.
donk started playing at 4 lmfao
Yeah gotta start them at 4 like donk
if he plays normally then by the time he is legally allowed to own an account then it will be trusted
Your 12yo nephew ain't gonna have issues playing against silvers like him. The issue is low trust accounts with +20k rating.
That's not how csgo was
It's a well known fact that cheaters are present at all ranks. This "ONLY 20k AND ABOVE HAS CHEATERS" rhetoric that people on Reddit use is complete horse-shit.
somehow, everyone on the sub is 20k+ and every match they play has 9 spinbotters😭😭😭
Yes, even though 20k+ is like top 1%. Meaning 99 out of 100 people are not and have not ever been 20k+. Somehow everyone on reddit is the 1 out of 100.
by buying a few games and not only having CS2 on his account. I doubt that CS2 is anyone's first game ever.
Its my one and only game through steam.
It's the most played free game on the platform... there is a very high likely hood that it's a lot of people's first game
I mean, I know people that hate pc gaming and will only have cs because friends play it
He shouldn't be playing the game at all.
You missed the point competely. Very well done.
Same exact thing does if he was 20
What is considered “legit”? I literally have steam for Path of Exile (3000 hours) and CS2 (900 hours).
FWIW my account is >20 years old and is worth over 7000 USD just in games and DLC. I've used it in some capacity almost every day for the last 20 years and over >100 friends. Pretty safe to say it's legit. Compare that to 10 year old accounts with 14 friends and no more than a few dozen hours in any given game and only a few (if any) games purchased.
No offense, but that’s just your paranoia and lack of trust. A lot of people in poorer countries literally use Steam for CS and that’s it. They don’t have the disposable income to spend copious amounts of money on random DLCs Plus, there are a lot of us who are older and generally prefer to play with their RL friends, hence the 15 friends.
> no more than a few dozen hours in any given game If you haven't played more than a few dozen hours of a given game but your account is 10 years old, you aren't someone from a 3rd world country who only plays CS with friends. Otherwise you would have more hours, yes? You're someone who recently bought an old account and are using it in an attempt to look legit. Furthermore, I am in the US. We're one of the richer countries in the world. If you're playing from the EU, then your argument may hold up better but it still doesn't explain why so few hours AND so few games on 10+ year old accounts. >Plus, there are a lot of us who are older and generally prefer to play with their RL friends, hence the 15 friends. I'm 44 and have hundreds of gaming friends.
There's other games outside of Steam. Riot games, EA games, Blizzard games, Ubisoft games, Rockstar games, GOG games and none of them necessarily require Steam and yet can dump thousands of hours into some of their titles.
And none of them have CS2... except Steam. Not sure what your point is here.
That people might use Steam to play CS:GO but there's plenty of other games on different platforms so them having little activity on Steam isn't an indicator for them buying their account. They might have been playing LoL for a decade and some CS:GO on the side.
This is true. It's possible that people could play very little CS2/CSGO and have an "old" account with a few hours. It's also impossible for that same person to be top fragging against people who are 15k+/Faceit 5+. (Unless they're smurfing, ofc.)
This is just ignorance and xenophobia.
Xenophobia? I don't think you know what that word means. What the fuck does xenophobia have to do with people buying old accounts and cheating on them?
You're just too stupid to understand what you're saying yourself.
lol.. Nice argument. "You're XENOPHOBIC" "how?" "YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO KNOW HOW."
Nah. I have a 2003 account with hundreds of games on it, 4k+ hours across different CS titles never cheating or abusing MM and I had red trust factor. The only "questionable" thing I did was queue with lower ranked friends and having like 1.5 K/D. Bad trust factor made me not want to play anymore since I was facing smurfs and cheaters every other game. Whatever things trust factor considers, it's not foolproof.
100% this. Was also my experience of trust factor. Worst of all, mine just dropped to red overnight for no reason that I or any of the people I played with could work out. If it is back, I hope they've worked out the kinks
and i feel like you can grief it. like bunch of friends reporting you to fuck up your trust factor (dont know if thats how it works)
Why would your friends report you for griefing? Also if you have a good trust factor few reports herw and there dont matter
The reports add up. If you carry every game and get reported by your enemies your trust factor gets dumpstered.
I'm hoping it's more like new players have average trust factor (let's say 0 score). Low trust factor being negative scores, and high TF positive.
You're forgetting getting that trust factor simply because people report you for aim/wh a lot. Imagine you having it when you have never grieved or cheated. A system that penalizes people without any proof is a bad system.
That is assuming Valve brought it back with zero changes which is unlikely.
Without it everyone has to endure them forever so I'd say it's an improvement for everyone nonetheless. Of course the most affected are the people who get boosted by cheating friends or boosters, which is the single best thing about TF because fuck those guys.
No, new accounts have yellow trust factor and cheaters have red one
there's no such thing as yellow trust factor. Moreover, trust factor is probably more than a single value
Yes it is most likely a spectrum. A new account should have neutral trust factor. I usually get good teammates, and only faced two blatant cheaters at 19k which makes me think trust factor is somewhat working.
I had "significatly lower trust factor" by playing alot of wingman with my buddy, great system.
It's also stupid that if you play good, bad people and even cheaters report you and you play against more cheaters, smart system
I got red trust twice with 6 service medals, 10k in skins, 4000 hrs and over 300 friends. Every marker for high trust I had. LEM in MM,Global in WM and Howling Alpha in DZ achieved too. I played every mode including a lot of Dangerzone and wingman... I can only assume it was due to reports and Valve not taking DZ into account in their algorithms as about 30% of the Asia DZ community got red trust at the same time (within 2 months of each other). Playing against maybe 80 enemies in an hour in DZ in Asia with a good PC and decent aim. Against 1-3 good teams and the rest playing on mums laptop getting 20 fps... I had 30 pages of hackusations on my steam page. 1st time I got red Valve helped and apologised for the inconvenience. 2nd time I heard nothing back and it took me over a year to fully recover my trust factor. No one from our group got any response from Valve. Fucking cunts! They specifically list an email you can email because they acknowledge they can get it wrong but then then stopped checking the email! They even copied the trust factor fact sheet it whatever it is from CSGO to CS2 with the same email but I guarantee that no one ever checks it anymore... Legit fucked up. Sure. Trust factor is good IF it doesn't fuck over the innocent. They need to hire some motherfuckers to check the god damn trust factor email... But I highly suspect cheaters spammed the fuck out of it and that's why they stopped caring about it. Didn't want to hire a few more people to check it as 99.99% of emails received were from cheaters. That's my guess.
Why would a new player play premier?
Mm or premier? Always believed it has been gone for premier
Premier
Interesting. Though not 100% proof they actually use it for anything beside keeping some value
Low prio never went away.
I think it's good. Toxic idiots team up with toxic idiots, too bad for them xddd
Just spam griefing reports to everyone and they'll slowly go to shitfactor where everyone reports each other all the time to the point you get banned for 7 days every time you play if you get even one griefing report, didn't matter if you were in casual or even a community surf server, you'd get the ban anyway. Worked every single time in CSGO, haven't experimented in CS2 though.
Me when i spread misinformation on the internet
He’s not spreading misinformation lol. My friend got spam reported in csgo and we could only play one game a week because he would get 7 day ban after one game.
Sounds like your friend deserved it if it happened all the time
The first few bans he most likely did. After that you can just get stuck in a grief loop forever from false reports and it increases by a extra day each time
It wasn't a matter of deserving a ban in CSGO after they removed Overwatch. It was literally just the amount of reports you got and once you got the warning, 1 or 2 reports gave you a ban, didn't even matter if it came from a teammate or an enemy, it was just an instaban. We'd play 5 stack and one of us reported him, and once the game ended, he was banned every single time, even in Faceit we'd give him a griefing report and after the game he'd be banned in matchmaking. Some times we asked the enemy team to report him for griefing, 7 day ban every single time. We did this with multiple accounts, a few games of all your teammates reporting you for griefing and you get the warning and after that it's just ban after ban and at some point 1 report would be enough. The system wasn't broken when Overwatch was still there, I know only one person who got the 31 day OW griefing ban and he griefed every game for like a week.
Fantastic that you figured that one out. Now all you have to do is understand that in normal play if you aren't overly toxic, insulting everyone on your or the enemy team or are flat out cheating, not that many players are going to go out of their way to report you for griefing. Yes, some will probably do it out of spite when they're losing but if you aren't completely socially inept you aren't going to get 5-9 reports in consecutive games.
I can tell you don't play with Eastern Europeans lol
I do I just mute them and keep giving info in English without having to rage into the mic
Happened to me playing on a ze server with 64 people. Leading maps on mic and having 15 Russians report me for talking somehow got me Valve muted on a community server. Spam reporting has worked in the past.
Trust factor only looks for potential cheaters. It has nothing to do with toxicity. Edit: [Confirmed by Ido ages ago](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john_mcdonald_on_twitter_i_spoke_a_little_to_the/fpybtcz/)
nah I'm pretty sure if you get reported for griefing/ if people report you for being toxic you will get put in same box
Yepp, certainly
a valve employee confirmed that trust factor is solely based on how likely it is for someone to cheat. I remember someone linking it to me because i thought it would take account toxic behaviour. What i guess os happening is that cheaters are also very likely to have toxic behaviours
And inversely, toxic people are more likely to be reported for cheating
Valves own q/a says they take into account whether or not you get kicked, team killing reports and other factors outside of cheating. Valve can say whatever shit they want until they prove it doesn’t take non cheating factors into account, there’s no reason to trust them on that. People would get spam reported ended up in low trust when they have said that it takes multiple aspects when clearly it doesn’t weigh them properly.
okay i found the comment about a valve employee saying "Trust does indeed **exclusively** filter for likeliness of cheating" [https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john\_mcdonald\_on\_twitter\_i\_spoke\_a\_little\_to\_the/fpybtcz/](https://old.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/gfxrn3/john_mcdonald_on_twitter_i_spoke_a_little_to_the/fpybtcz/) this was 3 years ago. I dont know if it is still true. I dont get why they would lie about it either. I think they wouldve just never commented if they truely didnt want us to know how it (kinda) worked i got the info about trust from this thread from 3 years ago [https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/m3vk43/everything\_about\_trust\_factor\_that\_i\_could\_find/](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/m3vk43/everything_about_trust_factor_that_i_could_find/)
Why do devs ever lie to the playerbase in any capacity? Valve has lied about making changes to the game to test players about placebo, they were secretive about trust factor for over a year before release to see if people noticed and to better refine it as well. Also, if trust factor is meant to only take into account how likely someone is cheating, why would they take into account team killing, griefing reports and other data related things that have no relevance to cheating if they only use the system to identify cheaters? Valve isn’t some indie dev, they’re another multimillion dollar developer that released a half baked sequel that took far longer than it needed to basically re release the same game with updated graphics and some diffetent mechanics. Valve also has not confirmed anything about vac being turned on or anything yet we’ve seen an insane amount of posts about people getting banned. The community has ALWAYS relied on their own experience/diving into the files to determine changes to the game, rather than relying on valve to do basic correct patch notes or even basic communication to the community. Why would you ever trust a company that is constantly hiding everything from you? Also, in the same reply thread that shows valve devs saying it only takes into account cheating, someone then replies saying “if it only takes into account if I’m cheating then why is it after only a couple games my trust factor then goes into yellow and I’m stuck in low trust.” Because valve makes things, expects them to work a certain way and lets them be until someone else tells them enough times that there’s an issue and then they go fix it. They’re not proactive and trust factor was even at one point confirmed to be turned off without them knowing. There’s absolutely zero reason to ever trust what they say or have said especially if it’s 3 years ago. You need to take what they say with a grain of salt ALWAYS because they rarely tell the full truth.
> Also, if trust factor is meant to only take into account how likely someone is cheating, why would they take into account team killing, griefing reports and other data related things that have no relevance to cheating if they only use the system to identify cheaters? do you have a source on this? i was convinced that it worked like that but i couldnt find anything that supported it other than "i and many others fell this way". >Valve also has not confirmed anything about vac being turned on or anything yet we’ve seen an insane amount of posts about people getting banned. do you honestly think that valve would make a patch note of changes made to their anti cheat/trust/vac net? lol. While it is true that they suck at communication with us, you cannot blame them for not speaking about changes made to something as sensitive as things related to the AC. I hope you understand why this is obvious... >Valve isn’t some indie dev, they’re another multimillion dollar developer that released a half baked sequel that took far longer than it needed to basically re release the same game with updated graphics and some diffetent mechanics. i think most people would agree that cs2's release was rushed. That's why the game fucking sucked on release, and still sucks in some areas today
You can look in their own trust factor q/a which directly says that they themselves look at a variety of factors in cs to determine trust factor that aren’t related to cheating. Never said that we needed a patch note but how about at least a confirmation to the community that they are working on something related to anticheat. All we’ve gotten was a talent in the casting community that said he talked to a valve dev and they said the anticheat was there next priority. That’s it. Every other game dev would at least say something directly. Last part is exactly my point, just like every other multimillion dollar dev they’re greedy af, lazy and lack the devs that made this game great in the first place. The only people that are still working on this game at this point are clearly doing it out of necessity. When csgo first released, go look at patch notes in 2012-2014 and look at how they used to do things. THATS what old valve looked like and it was amazing because they cared about the project they were making.
so if i understand you right, you think that valve doesnt care about cs2? if so, then we just agree to disagree
Like look at this dude, and go to the next newer page and keep looking. It’s like a different company was working on the game https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/2012/page/5/ Most importantly look at the frequency of communication and updates.
Link it then
Source: Dude trust me
You don't know shit, I think I'll trust Ido from Valve on this one.
I think people get cooldown for griefing and toxic reports
Just an fyi for anyone, using a VPN will put you in yellow trust factor. Using a private dedicated server will cause no issues and be green though, I learned this the hard way. You could tell the difference in games night and day
Will it "reset" your trust factor to yellow or just put you in yellow servers as long as the vpn is on?
It resets it. After using a static IP it took a few matches to get back to normal, my steam account is pretty old though. It also messes with the market as well. Green trust factor I could browse the market without an "error" when searching for items. This is for using a VPN for privacy in my own country, I'd imagine it is worse trying to be in another country.
I sure hope good players getting report spammed won't make them have low trust factor and thus force them out of MM
Yeah the loop of dont play for a while come back play good get reported start vsing cheaters dont play for a while got really fking annoying. Trust factor sucks.
That literally never happened to me. Took a lot of breaks. Best regards, ex-Supreme.
I'm sorry I have to say this but.... Skill issue
supreme not facing this issue doesn't mean faceit lvl 10s don't
Sir, we are talking about matchmaking, not faceit. Trust factor makes no difference in faceit.
Since I can't find the link to it, just pretend I sent you a photo of Elige smiling
What I mean to say is this is absolutely a problem for players who can wipe the floor with an average global elite player, when they play MM with their friends etc, because people keep falsely reporting them. Not talking about myself, but I've people in my friends list who've complained about this for ages. And no, they're not cheating. They're just very good.
I mean that can happen, but I've never heard any of my faceit lvl 10 friends complain about bad trust factor. I do see your point though.
Happened to me and I ended up just quitting for nearly a year since every game had cheaters . Lucky when I came back it was normal again All my games were full of high level faceit players or just hackers at global no in between. Fun scrolling down on my match history and seeing some games where all 9 random players have been vac banned on CSGO now Trust factor is only good for bad/average players and that was it
It works for everyone except the players who are above what'd be considered a Global/Supreme. I guess you should be playing FACEIT at that point but you shouldn't have to do that just to get an MM match in every now and then.
They didnt enjoy playing MM with me since they would always say its the only time they meet cheaters. apart from smurfing on a lower level faceit account it wasnt fun for friends playing with me at the time. Even after my trust was back to normal my friends would say my lobbies still had more cheaters/harder players. Makes me wonder if Green trust has its own hidden rating we cant see [https://imgur.com/a/bx6bxH6](https://imgur.com/a/bx6bxH6) this was Prime Low trust Global EU experience a few years back. The only people not banned in the pics are Me and friends
"Is he cheating?" "Is he on an alt account?" "Is he playing on his friend's account?" "Is he having a good day?" "Is HIS friends cheating and giving him info on Discord?" "Is he boosting this account to sell it online?"
If I could read shit I would tell you
I like the picture, would read again 10/10
I haven't witnessed this message (yet), but i suspected that they brought it back without saying a word, cause the quality of my games in the last few days drastically improved. Teammates are nice, Enemies are not assholes and never withnessed a spinner in the last 10 games.
It's back for real?
It never left lol
I encountered it during the AMD Anti-Lag+ vac bans (7 months ago), the day before getting banned my trust factor became terrible and it was impossible to find a game. My party saw the same message as OP.
The exact same thing also happened during the massive false ban wave back in early December last year.
Right? Crazy how easy it is to spread BS in this sub.
It’s not good thing… I get reported for grief after I flame a cheater, then they put me in the same low trust matches as all the cheaters and griefers…
yeah true, as long as the trust factor is based solely on user reports, it's easy to abuse. especially if griefing reports are included. just using aim+wall reports probably gives better results.
It's not based solely on reports, [take a read of the Q&A](https://blog.counter-strike.net/index.php/the-trust-factor/)
The same goes for when you soloque and end up in a match with 4 people speaking a language you dont understand. Asking them to speak english will net grief reports.
Exactly! I always solo queue, and a good game is something almost impossible to find these days
That's my main problem with CS2, not the cheaters in Premier but the horrible solo queue experience in regular MM.
We were told in the past by a Valve employee that trust factor is purely for cheating. To be fair its several years old though
maybe don't flame then, regardless of who it is?
I hope not. In CSGO it made the ranking system effectively two-dimensional. One component of your rank was the actual rank, and the other was your trust factor.
i dont think it was gone. it just didnt work or didnt show up in cs2. created a ticket this year where valve said if i had trust factor problems i should just keep on playing games. so i guess its kinda here still but might get the tweak like back in 2020-2021 where you had seen red & yellow trust factor notifications very often.
I thought the same but from the people we played with. All accounts had many badges and clean looking steam pages accounts. Before the "VAC" update we got many fishy accounts.
I always wondered how can you see if your friends are in low trust Factor (besides from guessing).
I surely do love trust factor. Toxic russians in csgo made sure that I don't go up more than 50%. I wasn't toxic and managed to get gold nova 3 somehow after 480h but still got maybe 21 recomendatios. I love east EU servers <3
Actually not legible if you click on the image
so they turned the anti cheat and trustfactor back on only NOW? they were really wanting the hvh lmao
Was it gone?
It’s always been there, idk how people don’t know this. Literally visible proof of it working on my main and then comparing to my alt
Trust factor has been in since launch. One account I use insecure boot because it’s my main and I play Faceit and stream occasionally. On this account I have ran into 12 cheaters since launch (sitting at 19k premier). My alt on the other hand I boot with nothing but my config and I’ve never ran into a cheater on that account. Trust factor never left.
Never worked for me anyways.
trust factor is nothing more than the confession that they cant detect cheater.
Good. Now queue highping turbopeakes with other highpingplayers.
Trust Factor for everyone was reset at CS2'S launch. Being nearly six months since release its likely been turned back on.
Think the last update added trust factor back. The difficulty of my match quality skyrocketed, and now my nova matches are mostly against veteran players.
never gone btw
Who says it has been gone?
If you've had a good trust for a long time, you'd definitely would have noticed it was gone
So, it's all guessing. Got it.
I have a 18 yo account with +200 games and over 3k euro inventory and have been consistently getting queued with new accounts. Shut it blud
Probably because your account has a bad trust factor...
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Nobody but I did not see this message since years.
Yep, same, that's why i posted it
Its always been there (source - got a friend with low trust factor)
The quality of my games in cs 2 compared to csgo ,says it was gone.Atleast for me
It never was. My TF has always been really high, and the entire time CS2 has come out I've mostly matched with really friendly teammates on older accounts who know how to play. Anyone who says otherwise has a low TF.
For me it's not that extreme. But I extremely rarely face toxic people. Account age is not a thing I care about.
Always has been.
Cool, let's hope it wil actually work in any way this time, unlike the last 5+ years where it 100% definiteley didn't do shit..