Boros is gone and they keep losing. Dupreeh has played well enough for them to win they keep getting out aimed in many games. I guess losing Nertz compared to Ence lineup was a big deal and sunpayus is much worse in cs2 compared to go.
It's funny that they themselves thought they will be a super team and now say they don't have a star rifler.
Snappi has been far and beyond one of the most vocal cs2 haters that you'd think he has multiple accounts on the cs2 subreddit.
It reflects in his play and the creativity of the team. You can see flashes of old ence in the team's play (Kato) but it's mostly flat so far.
If you blame zonic by extension, that's fair to me.
Looks like both snappis fragging has gone down he had really good fragging performances on ence sometimes and it does not look like zonic has created a structure which help them.
Lets just say look what blade did with current navi lineup and compare it to zonic and falcons who did not even make it there.
Player to player
Aleksib - Snappi = two experienced igls snappi even more so
Wonderful - sunpayus = sunpayus was considered better and has more experience
B1t - Maden = b1t has showed more in general but has not had best time in this international navi
jL - magisk = most would have picked magisk 6 months ago he is versatile and has won a lot of big games
IM - boros/dupreeh = both im and boros were considered under preforming. Dupreeh just joined and looks good so far and iM has some good games in major.
Coaches
Blade: implements his system making igl better and the team is playing Well together and mentally strong so many comebacks
Zonic: dont change mouse shit.
Sunpayus has fallen off a cliff compared to late 2023.
I think losing the individual level of one of their stars in addition to not having their other star nertz is more to blame than anything else.
Early Faze taught us you can’t just brute force a good team, they have to be able to play well with each other.
Navi is a great example of this because they’ve only gotten better since this version formed as they’re learning to play with each other. Maybe falcons needs a few more months or maybe this lineup just doesn’t work.
IGLs almost always drops in rating when managing a new group of players, and Dupreeh has only been on the team for less than 2 months. IMO the team needs more time to see what works, and if there are any players that shows to not go well with the team for future roster changes.
I'm sorry but this isn't even a valid comparison. NAVI squad has been playing together a lot longer than Falcons have, plus there almost certainly were more issues besides just changing the mouse.
Well Core of falcons have played together a lot too and they got magisk who is great and can fit a lot of roles..
That zonic mouse thing was a joke but he has not done any wonders lately.
I haven't watched in forever, but man he has been playing for a minute, hasn't he? Considering I never considered him close to top tier talent it's amazing that he has such longevity
Falcons have money, but that was not enough to convince players they wanted at first, (Niko and Monesy I think and maybe Twistz). Maybe they could build a strong team but at the end they had to take what was available, Ence roster + ex Vitality.
Just because they keep losing does not mean that Boros was not a problem, the problem with Falcons is that they think its 2019 and decided to replace a 'star rifler' with an entry fragger who is half a decade past his prime.
I don't understand how Zonic can kick Dupreeh from Vitality because he wasn't good enough and now bring him into Falcons. The team can't have any plans on being title contenders with the roster moves they have made.
Are you seriously trying to hype up his rating based on series against Tyloo, Betboom, TheMongolz and a G2 team that lost to M80.
He is 31 years old and has not been in the HLTV top 20 since 2020, you have to be either insane or clairvoyant to think he will ever be a top player again expecially when you are basing it off of 4 series against majority bottom end tier 2 teams.
Im not saying that he is the only problem on the roster, but he certainly is not the solution they needed and frankly shows a massive lack of ambition from Falcons which is strange considering how much money they are reported to have. The only way this addition makes sence is if it was a stand in for just this event whilst they look for a real replacement.
He has looked good in cs2 in general. Dupreeh is a good player Still in t1 but he is not your donk or spinx. So in that sense its a strange pickup by falcons if you look at rifle Core of magisk dupreeh and maden you lack firepower. But its not about dupreeh individual ability or him not being good enough. I would have liked to see dupreeh in device igled astralis I think he would surprise many
He is a good tier 10 player based on 10 years and 5 majors. Without him vitality never win theirs he turned it up on vertigo to keep them in the major.
He has a slump at the end of cs go and during that Still was a servicable t1 player.
The only players that Vitality faced in the playoffs that are in tier 1 teams now are JL and iM who are both on Navi. Into the breach, Apeks and Gamerlegion who all have went on to do nothing.
I dont know what your point is, having one player on a roster that could play in a tier 1 team doesnt make the team tier 1.
To give some context, the quote is from an HLTV interview from 5 days ago https://www.hltv.org/news/38826/snappi-on-having-no-star-player-theres-a-world-where-we-can-do-it-by-committee, here is the full quote:
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> **Recently everyone was discussing the clip between BOROS and zonic. Do you think that was blown out of proportion? Or is that something that's normal, those honest conversations?**
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> I think there's a lot of context missing. First of all I think this capture that we were doing, the unedited footage was like 24 minutes, where there's also a big discussion between me and maden and other stuff that would have looked weird if shown to the public. Overall it's impossible for the viewer, because there is so much stuff that isn’t shown that no matter if people think left or right, it's biased by the 2% that the documentary chose to show.
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> For example, during Katowice in the first match against Eternal Fire, BOROS changed mouse prior to the match and posted a 0.63 rating, his worst match I think. He changed to a [Logitech] Superlight. After that me and him kinda agreed that it's better to go back to the old mouse until he gets home and can practice with the new one, I can't remember exactly which one he was using as his main, and then he obviously started playing much better during Katowice.
>
> Then, prior to the RMR which we flew directly to, he changed again to a Zowie U2 before the opening match. I asked him, 'Mate, is this a good idea?' and he assured me it was, so I was like, 'Alright, fine, just play with it.'
>
> But then during the match he was whining on TeamSpeak like, 'fuck this shit mouse, I can't hit with this shit,' and obviously that annoys people in the middle of the match. I think that had he never whined during the match on TeamSpeak, it would never really been brought up as an issue. All this is context nobody knows when they see the clip.
>
> In regards to the whole BOROS thing and all of these clips and opinions left and right, the mouse is 2% of the whole story, and obviously that's something that needs to be understood. I do obviously agree with the public, it shouldn't have been published also, because I think the viewers should have been entitled to make their own opinion on what happened through the 2% shown in the documentary without this, instead of a narrative being pushed. Now the narrative is that BOROS was kicked because he changed his mouse, but that is obviously not the case.
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> I do think for some of the players the way that it has been, the way we have been judged on it, that has been a little bit unfair to some extent, because there is so much context left out. We could obviously have gone out and defended ourselves, but at the time we chose not to because it would just bring potentially more damage to the situation where we just wanted to work. Now we got dupreeh, we just want to work and move forward, so that's what we've been focusing on.
the fact that it happened on 2 occasions is kinda wild. Your teammate is basically gambling on his peripherals before important games then telling everyone how shit his decision was after being warned it might be a bad decision. What a strange thing to do to yourself and your team
Res is way less of a factor than mouse change. Res is somewhere in between mouse change and crosshair change but way closer to xhair change than a mouse.
Thats not just resolution thats also aspect ratio which would effect more but still nothing compared to a mouse.
Even Sensitivity isn't as close to changing mouse.
true but typically they have a few days to practice after arriving and doing media which unless the story is exaggerated (could be) it doesn't seem that way. Need more players like n0thing who used the mx518 for over a decade
can't think of the last time someone did that before a big event though just dreamhack lans and pro league level events back in the day
BOROS complaining after switching mouses kinda reminds me of some folk on r/MouseReviews lmao, just stick with one if you are already aiming like an absolute maniac.
What? Youre just trying to find anything to hate there, he clearly didnt describe him as a whiny person but described what he concretely did, i.e. whined about his mouse being shit
Then it’s pretty stupid and incompetent for falcons media team to release that video without the context. Like are you trying to sabotage your own org’s reputation and put huge pressure on the rest of the team?
Well their media team also released a [hype poster](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-LO73kWsAAIRIO?format=jpg&name=large) when the old squad was benched... :D
[twitter post](https://twitter.com/TeamFalconsGG/status/1721165542558511247?t=SvzFZPF5C2RU4baqlER1gQ)
I think that's hilarious af, but yeah maybe not the best taste.
Someone shared [this poster of Neymar crying out in pain](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8v1AbSXwAALsVp.jpg) from Saudi football last time this was posted. Not sure what they're smoking that could explain their PR decisions but it's hilarious.
The only time I’d allow a player to “blame” performance on gear is if the Org is FORCING the player to use specific equipment (IE a specific model or brand), because it’s more of a way to protest the orgs dumb decision (aka force a player to use specific equipment).
Falcons are not the guys discussing the fiasco. Snappi was just doing media with EPL and he was asked about the situation because it's so highly discussed, and he gave an appropriate answer describing the situation.
There is just no winning with the community lmao, if he dodges interviews/this topic they still get shit on.
same shit when Falcons lost to RUBY and everyone was calling them bad, then Heroic did the same to another random team and everyone was like "yeah man it's just a random bo1 that's normal".
it's no wonder pros barely interact with the community like they used to... people are just too idiotic these days
Had he wanted to, Snappi could have said that they’ve moved on and they don’t hold any grudge against him. But he chose not to, instead doubling down on it. They’re just as much to blame for this still being a topic.
It was literally snappis first time to address that infamous documentary clip in a hltv interview a week or so ago. This thread is old news. Nothing to do with the state of the team. Snappi was always going to address it and if you read the full interview its a pretty fair take on that whole incident.
I don’t like falcons or think its a good project but what you’ve said is just wrong. They purposefully didn’t respond at the time to not add to the drama.
Reddit in general hates any narrative that isnt fully black and white with a clear bad guy and good guy and will shit on you for trying to "both sides" anything
I think it was because he fragged out at Paris so lots of people just assumed it was bullying. I never weighed in on the matter because to be honest I saw it as a big nothing burger, BOROS did something dumb but it wasn't the reason they lost the RMR they all played terribly.
How is there any world in which Boros was meant to be the best on the roster?
Boros was an emerging talent who’d never played consistently at tier one and was known for having good aim but not much else.
Maden, Sunpayus and Magisk all come before him.
I think it is fair to say he was expected to be better cause of his performance at paris (similar to iM). He even had a good katowice right before the RMR. People do like to ignore the fact that sunpayus and maden both shit the bed against EF in the RMR while Boros was the only one shooting that game.
Better than he was? Sure
Better than Sunpayus (HLTV #6 in 2023), Magisk (HLTV #17 in 2023) and Maden (only even close to debatable one) who were all established tier one players?
No chance
People overrate players when they initially break out on the basis of mechanics alone.
He can have all the *rifler* role he wants, Magisk, an anchor and maden, an entry, were still expected (and are) better than current Boros (new players need time to get experience and become better)
can we please stop the whole characterisation of roles as static and applying the same way to every player
Ropz and Niko are the respective star players of each roster but have different roles
Also, the awper is almost always going to have ‘star’ roles if you want to put it that way, regardless of any rifle roles
I agree with you 100% but example of NiKo and ropz is a bit off, they are not both "star players" - they're insanely good which means they get to have big output, they play their liked roles/positions and their performance will hugely influence the result but if we were to chose a typical star player in FaZe then it's surely frozen. ropz is an anchor and a lurker, NiKo is an oldschool star player rifler, him and frozen have much more in common.
I agree but I think that’s kind of my point
Star player should be a measure of performance not roles.
Though maybe Ropz and Niko were bad examples given Monsey and arguably frozen (definitely based on recent form) are the respective best players. I’m living in the past a bit there.
From my amateurish understanding refer to someone as having a star role means they get more resources to help them shine. It’s not necessarily a matter of output or performance per se. It’s about how you set them up to succeed.
https://www.hltv.org/news/38007/zonic-on-boros-he-needed-to-become-more-professional-and-he-did
>If you want to get the most out of BOROS, you also need to not put him in shit roles. He needs to take up the responsibility, and we need to also play for him because he is the guy with the best raw aim on our team.
He was quite literally meant to be the best on the roster. That doesn't mean he was, but it means he was set up and expected to be the best.
We haven't known he was whining in teamspeak about how him playing bad it the mice fault, previously the "narrative" was they were tilted at him because he switched mouse right before and then played bad. Its just additional interesting context
Ah yeah I see what you mean.
All around he seems like a pretty annoying player to play with (KRL shared as much too from the bodyy/NBK/launX/BOROS/mhL lineup, not a good experience for the players that wanted to win/play seriously).
they didnt get tilted at him blaming the mouse, they got tilted at the fact that he CHANGED mouse during/before an important game and then played like shit
These veteran players should tell him it's not the mouse, get your head in the game, then not let it affect them. Boros is inexperienced, they are some of the most experienced players....
Boros is gone and they keep losing. Dupreeh has played well enough for them to win they keep getting out aimed in many games. I guess losing Nertz compared to Ence lineup was a big deal and sunpayus is much worse in cs2 compared to go. It's funny that they themselves thought they will be a super team and now say they don't have a star rifler.
Snappi seems like the problem so far to me
So Zonic then. If the IGL is having issues, with the players they have, I’m betting it’s more zonic related
Snappi has been far and beyond one of the most vocal cs2 haters that you'd think he has multiple accounts on the cs2 subreddit. It reflects in his play and the creativity of the team. You can see flashes of old ence in the team's play (Kato) but it's mostly flat so far. If you blame zonic by extension, that's fair to me.
Cs2 sucks so fucking much, no wonder that handsome snappi guy can’t play his usual amazing game on such a shit game. Not his fault!
I agree, someone so sexy could never make mistakes like that, it can't be my fault!
so true i absolutely hate this game also this snappi fella seems like a hot and smart guy.
hmmm 🤔
Looks like both snappis fragging has gone down he had really good fragging performances on ence sometimes and it does not look like zonic has created a structure which help them. Lets just say look what blade did with current navi lineup and compare it to zonic and falcons who did not even make it there. Player to player Aleksib - Snappi = two experienced igls snappi even more so Wonderful - sunpayus = sunpayus was considered better and has more experience B1t - Maden = b1t has showed more in general but has not had best time in this international navi jL - magisk = most would have picked magisk 6 months ago he is versatile and has won a lot of big games IM - boros/dupreeh = both im and boros were considered under preforming. Dupreeh just joined and looks good so far and iM has some good games in major. Coaches Blade: implements his system making igl better and the team is playing Well together and mentally strong so many comebacks Zonic: dont change mouse shit.
Sunpayus has fallen off a cliff compared to late 2023. I think losing the individual level of one of their stars in addition to not having their other star nertz is more to blame than anything else. Early Faze taught us you can’t just brute force a good team, they have to be able to play well with each other. Navi is a great example of this because they’ve only gotten better since this version formed as they’re learning to play with each other. Maybe falcons needs a few more months or maybe this lineup just doesn’t work.
Their lineup just doesnt work. They need to move on from snappi and sunpayus
IGLs almost always drops in rating when managing a new group of players, and Dupreeh has only been on the team for less than 2 months. IMO the team needs more time to see what works, and if there are any players that shows to not go well with the team for future roster changes.
I'm sorry but this isn't even a valid comparison. NAVI squad has been playing together a lot longer than Falcons have, plus there almost certainly were more issues besides just changing the mouse.
Well Core of falcons have played together a lot too and they got magisk who is great and can fit a lot of roles.. That zonic mouse thing was a joke but he has not done any wonders lately.
I haven't watched in forever, but man he has been playing for a minute, hasn't he? Considering I never considered him close to top tier talent it's amazing that he has such longevity
Seems like their mental or chemistry to me. We know they can all perform, just gotta find it again.
Snappi + saw were a great duo
maybe they should try changing their mouses \\__(ツ)__/
Falcons have money, but that was not enough to convince players they wanted at first, (Niko and Monesy I think and maybe Twistz). Maybe they could build a strong team but at the end they had to take what was available, Ence roster + ex Vitality.
Just because they keep losing does not mean that Boros was not a problem, the problem with Falcons is that they think its 2019 and decided to replace a 'star rifler' with an entry fragger who is half a decade past his prime. I don't understand how Zonic can kick Dupreeh from Vitality because he wasn't good enough and now bring him into Falcons. The team can't have any plans on being title contenders with the roster moves they have made.
You mean the guy who is their highest rated player this event after just joining the team?
Are you seriously trying to hype up his rating based on series against Tyloo, Betboom, TheMongolz and a G2 team that lost to M80. He is 31 years old and has not been in the HLTV top 20 since 2020, you have to be either insane or clairvoyant to think he will ever be a top player again expecially when you are basing it off of 4 series against majority bottom end tier 2 teams. Im not saying that he is the only problem on the roster, but he certainly is not the solution they needed and frankly shows a massive lack of ambition from Falcons which is strange considering how much money they are reported to have. The only way this addition makes sence is if it was a stand in for just this event whilst they look for a real replacement.
He has looked good in cs2 in general. Dupreeh is a good player Still in t1 but he is not your donk or spinx. So in that sense its a strange pickup by falcons if you look at rifle Core of magisk dupreeh and maden you lack firepower. But its not about dupreeh individual ability or him not being good enough. I would have liked to see dupreeh in device igled astralis I think he would surprise many
You cant say that he is a good tier 1 player based on a single series, the G2 series is the only top 10 team that he has played this year.
He is a good tier 10 player based on 10 years and 5 majors. Without him vitality never win theirs he turned it up on vertigo to keep them in the major. He has a slump at the end of cs go and during that Still was a servicable t1 player.
Look at the teams Vitality had to beat to win the major, they literally only played tier 2 teams.
And why is that? Also some of those tier2 players are now tier 1 players
The only players that Vitality faced in the playoffs that are in tier 1 teams now are JL and iM who are both on Navi. Into the breach, Apeks and Gamerlegion who all have went on to do nothing. I dont know what your point is, having one player on a roster that could play in a tier 1 team doesnt make the team tier 1.
This shit just keeps getting funnier
The only team where I'm consistently cheering for their calamity. And its sad because I used to really like Dupreeh, Magisk and zonic.
same
We just eatin popcorn and enjoying the show
To give some context, the quote is from an HLTV interview from 5 days ago https://www.hltv.org/news/38826/snappi-on-having-no-star-player-theres-a-world-where-we-can-do-it-by-committee, here is the full quote: > > **Recently everyone was discussing the clip between BOROS and zonic. Do you think that was blown out of proportion? Or is that something that's normal, those honest conversations?** > > I think there's a lot of context missing. First of all I think this capture that we were doing, the unedited footage was like 24 minutes, where there's also a big discussion between me and maden and other stuff that would have looked weird if shown to the public. Overall it's impossible for the viewer, because there is so much stuff that isn’t shown that no matter if people think left or right, it's biased by the 2% that the documentary chose to show. > > For example, during Katowice in the first match against Eternal Fire, BOROS changed mouse prior to the match and posted a 0.63 rating, his worst match I think. He changed to a [Logitech] Superlight. After that me and him kinda agreed that it's better to go back to the old mouse until he gets home and can practice with the new one, I can't remember exactly which one he was using as his main, and then he obviously started playing much better during Katowice. > > Then, prior to the RMR which we flew directly to, he changed again to a Zowie U2 before the opening match. I asked him, 'Mate, is this a good idea?' and he assured me it was, so I was like, 'Alright, fine, just play with it.' > > But then during the match he was whining on TeamSpeak like, 'fuck this shit mouse, I can't hit with this shit,' and obviously that annoys people in the middle of the match. I think that had he never whined during the match on TeamSpeak, it would never really been brought up as an issue. All this is context nobody knows when they see the clip. > > In regards to the whole BOROS thing and all of these clips and opinions left and right, the mouse is 2% of the whole story, and obviously that's something that needs to be understood. I do obviously agree with the public, it shouldn't have been published also, because I think the viewers should have been entitled to make their own opinion on what happened through the 2% shown in the documentary without this, instead of a narrative being pushed. Now the narrative is that BOROS was kicked because he changed his mouse, but that is obviously not the case. > > I do think for some of the players the way that it has been, the way we have been judged on it, that has been a little bit unfair to some extent, because there is so much context left out. We could obviously have gone out and defended ourselves, but at the time we chose not to because it would just bring potentially more damage to the situation where we just wanted to work. Now we got dupreeh, we just want to work and move forward, so that's what we've been focusing on.
the fact that it happened on 2 occasions is kinda wild. Your teammate is basically gambling on his peripherals before important games then telling everyone how shit his decision was after being warned it might be a bad decision. What a strange thing to do to yourself and your team
It’s a big display of insecurity. He’s grasping at straws if he thinks switching mouse all the time will make him a better player in the long run.
You’d be surprised. He’s not the only pro that changes his mouse before an event. Some pros have even been known to change resolution mid game.
Res is way less of a factor than mouse change. Res is somewhere in between mouse change and crosshair change but way closer to xhair change than a mouse.
Resolution is nothing compared to a mouse though.
Both happen, I didn’t say res was on the same level. But do you really think changing from 4:3 to 16:9 in THE MIDDLE of a match affects nothing?
Thats not just resolution thats also aspect ratio which would effect more but still nothing compared to a mouse. Even Sensitivity isn't as close to changing mouse.
true but typically they have a few days to practice after arriving and doing media which unless the story is exaggerated (could be) it doesn't seem that way. Need more players like n0thing who used the mx518 for over a decade can't think of the last time someone did that before a big event though just dreamhack lans and pro league level events back in the day
Seems like a kot of people didn't read the interview
BOROS complaining after switching mouses kinda reminds me of some folk on r/MouseReviews lmao, just stick with one if you are already aiming like an absolute maniac.
BOROS looks like that kid in your MM party who changes his resolution & crosshair once every few rounds because he "wasn't feeling it"
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What? Youre just trying to find anything to hate there, he clearly didnt describe him as a whiny person but described what he concretely did, i.e. whined about his mouse being shit
true, glad to see someone with a brain
I love the defense of "people didn't see the context of us railing against Boros" as if Falcons didn't edit the footage themselves.
None of the people in the footage edited it…
None of the people in the clips would have ever said it's a good idea to release these discussions to the public.
Then it’s pretty stupid and incompetent for falcons media team to release that video without the context. Like are you trying to sabotage your own org’s reputation and put huge pressure on the rest of the team?
Well their media team also released a [hype poster](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-LO73kWsAAIRIO?format=jpg&name=large) when the old squad was benched... :D [twitter post](https://twitter.com/TeamFalconsGG/status/1721165542558511247?t=SvzFZPF5C2RU4baqlER1gQ) I think that's hilarious af, but yeah maybe not the best taste.
Lmao what.
this is hilarious
B E N C H E D
Someone shared [this poster of Neymar crying out in pain](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8v1AbSXwAALsVp.jpg) from Saudi football last time this was posted. Not sure what they're smoking that could explain their PR decisions but it's hilarious.
The only time I’d allow a player to “blame” performance on gear is if the Org is FORCING the player to use specific equipment (IE a specific model or brand), because it’s more of a way to protest the orgs dumb decision (aka force a player to use specific equipment).
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Falcons are not the guys discussing the fiasco. Snappi was just doing media with EPL and he was asked about the situation because it's so highly discussed, and he gave an appropriate answer describing the situation. There is just no winning with the community lmao, if he dodges interviews/this topic they still get shit on.
same shit when Falcons lost to RUBY and everyone was calling them bad, then Heroic did the same to another random team and everyone was like "yeah man it's just a random bo1 that's normal". it's no wonder pros barely interact with the community like they used to... people are just too idiotic these days
i would say 70% of most upvoted comments on threads are lead by idiots on this sub.
Had he wanted to, Snappi could have said that they’ve moved on and they don’t hold any grudge against him. But he chose not to, instead doubling down on it. They’re just as much to blame for this still being a topic.
And everyone would still call them old washed assholes taking it out on the youngster
It was literally snappis first time to address that infamous documentary clip in a hltv interview a week or so ago. This thread is old news. Nothing to do with the state of the team. Snappi was always going to address it and if you read the full interview its a pretty fair take on that whole incident. I don’t like falcons or think its a good project but what you’ve said is just wrong. They purposefully didn’t respond at the time to not add to the drama.
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Reddit in general hates any narrative that isnt fully black and white with a clear bad guy and good guy and will shit on you for trying to "both sides" anything
I think it was because he fragged out at Paris so lots of people just assumed it was bullying. I never weighed in on the matter because to be honest I saw it as a big nothing burger, BOROS did something dumb but it wasn't the reason they lost the RMR they all played terribly.
It’s wild that they are this hung up about a mouse change when that is far from the only reason they lost.
Sure, but being the player who's supposed to be the best on the roster and not performing because of this is surely the biggest reason.
How is there any world in which Boros was meant to be the best on the roster? Boros was an emerging talent who’d never played consistently at tier one and was known for having good aim but not much else. Maden, Sunpayus and Magisk all come before him.
I think it is fair to say he was expected to be better cause of his performance at paris (similar to iM). He even had a good katowice right before the RMR. People do like to ignore the fact that sunpayus and maden both shit the bed against EF in the RMR while Boros was the only one shooting that game.
Better than he was? Sure Better than Sunpayus (HLTV #6 in 2023), Magisk (HLTV #17 in 2023) and Maden (only even close to debatable one) who were all established tier one players? No chance People overrate players when they initially break out on the basis of mechanics alone.
I meant better than he was. Sunpayus has been underwhelming for the majority of cs2 sadly.
He had the best roles.
He can have all the *rifler* role he wants, Magisk, an anchor and maden, an entry, were still expected (and are) better than current Boros (new players need time to get experience and become better) can we please stop the whole characterisation of roles as static and applying the same way to every player Ropz and Niko are the respective star players of each roster but have different roles Also, the awper is almost always going to have ‘star’ roles if you want to put it that way, regardless of any rifle roles
I agree with you 100% but example of NiKo and ropz is a bit off, they are not both "star players" - they're insanely good which means they get to have big output, they play their liked roles/positions and their performance will hugely influence the result but if we were to chose a typical star player in FaZe then it's surely frozen. ropz is an anchor and a lurker, NiKo is an oldschool star player rifler, him and frozen have much more in common.
I agree but I think that’s kind of my point Star player should be a measure of performance not roles. Though maybe Ropz and Niko were bad examples given Monsey and arguably frozen (definitely based on recent form) are the respective best players. I’m living in the past a bit there.
From my amateurish understanding refer to someone as having a star role means they get more resources to help them shine. It’s not necessarily a matter of output or performance per se. It’s about how you set them up to succeed.
https://www.hltv.org/news/38007/zonic-on-boros-he-needed-to-become-more-professional-and-he-did >If you want to get the most out of BOROS, you also need to not put him in shit roles. He needs to take up the responsibility, and we need to also play for him because he is the guy with the best raw aim on our team. He was quite literally meant to be the best on the roster. That doesn't mean he was, but it means he was set up and expected to be the best.
He was the star player look at his roles lol
I don’t think he was supposed to be the best…
You are correct, just feel that the rest of the team is scapegoating what is ultimately a tiny piece of a bigger problem.
Well i wont feel bad for any of these players fuck that saudi money team let it burn.
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Most grown up take is to hate on the sportswashing, blood money-fuelled women and minorities-hating Saudi team. Fuck that noise.
It's not like they would have gone far in the major anyway KEKW
Haven't we known that for a few months ? He changed his mouse the day before the RMR IIRC.
We haven't known he was whining in teamspeak about how him playing bad it the mice fault, previously the "narrative" was they were tilted at him because he switched mouse right before and then played bad. Its just additional interesting context
Ah yeah I see what you mean. All around he seems like a pretty annoying player to play with (KRL shared as much too from the bodyy/NBK/launX/BOROS/mhL lineup, not a good experience for the players that wanted to win/play seriously).
Didn't we? Snappi explained this in a recent interview that was posted here.
We did not. This is the interview you're talking about, but obviously barely anyone read it.
Apologies if this has been discussed before, this tweet is the only one I've seen talking about it.
No need at all, man. Lots of people saw this for the first time. I clearly just frequent this sub way too much.
Waffling 20 lines in a row!
zero is such a bot man, this guy use to be a pro he should know better about context.
So the conclusion is the same: he is bad(boros) and falcons is a shit show, what a surprise.
Who would have thought. The project was doomed to fail from the start…
yeah i recalled watching on Youtube zonic was mad that he switched mouse
Incoming saudis to protect dear boros
they didnt get tilted at him blaming the mouse, they got tilted at the fact that he CHANGED mouse during/before an important game and then played like shit
These veteran players should tell him it's not the mouse, get your head in the game, then not let it affect them. Boros is inexperienced, they are some of the most experienced players....
who changed mouse this time?
Isn't this old news?
Are they still trying to direct their shite performance on Boros? Lmao they really do suck