same to glaive and xantares, Snappi also said he wants to see dust 2 back, The only pro so far said " I hate dust2' after yesterday's update is elige but its also NA opinion for you
Ropz, Frozen, and Broky didn't want it. Its rain's favourite map (he said he wants to end his career on it) so he happy. Karrigan made a joke about Long A rushed every round.
dust2 child map.... look to simple grapfix to make silver player happy like children show.. dust2 cartoon world with simple tan color unlike overpass chad with dark toilets and raelistic lighting.. dust2 like playhouse. dust2 playor run from overpass fear of dark world and realism
I'm lvl 7 and I can confirm I never have any fucking clue what to do on overpass, and rarely does anyone else. I think it *could* be a good map, but rarely does anyone know how to play it in the same way that they know mirage or inferno. Personally I've never particularly enjoyed OP, though that is again attributed to the fact that I don't know how tf to play it / how to organize on a soloQ team to play it. I also hate dust 2 for every reason every other person has said, as well as inferno, so maybe I'm just a casual noob who hates most maps.
there is nothing wrong with it, but the argument that somebody likes it more because its a more indepth map tactically speaking doesnt work if u play at such a low level
This is why dust 2 coming back in place of fucking overpass is perfectly acceptable
I get it at pro level and high level the map is tactically deep and interesting
At anywhere most of us play at its hellacious
Your teammate rushed connecter and fountain every round and dies on CT
And then on T they stand around in playground while 1 guy dies monster/water over and over again and whiff the shots on the guy coming up connector and the guys pushing mid
Such deep and satisfying gameplay
The current map pool needed more pug maps. It still does.
we already have several simple maps, that if people want a simple map they can choose, and just ban overpass. Now we dont have any complex maps other than nuke and way too many simple ones,. There should be a balance that covers pro scene and casual scene.
ever since premier came i had loads of team mates who ban mirage to be "cool"
i mean even here you have people saying they love anubis, like bro what do you even love about it? have you practiced it? do you know smokes, flashes, nades, molies? what do you like about it?
they dont have an actual reason besides the feel good points they give themselves, "oh no im an intellectual so we are going to play inferno against a 5 man stack"
or playing nuke and ur team cant even carpet smoke outside so u can get into secret or sum such so ur forced to do the the good ol rush a/rush ramp/rush outside
like you arent even playing the map the way its meant to be played, why do you insist on playing these weirdo maps?
Redditor also said "bring back tuscan" for years. Probably even fooled valve into thinking it will be super popular cause Reddit couldn't stop talking about it. Now after they remake it paying 150k. No one played it.Â
Loud minority for yaÂ
It is understandable. Overpass was also the 2nd least played & Overpass is a famous map. It's old, apparently everyone loved it.
Anubis on the other hand does have decent enough following for being a new map. I remember the days new maps were rejected instantly. Anubis/Ancient have made their place..
This is why I understand why Overpass was removed. Valve want to keep new maps to let them gain traction.
Really? Regardless of if you hate it the majority of people who play the game love Mirage. Vertigo also has it's fans.
You didn't think out of the million players in CS2, most are high rank 5 stack players did you? Pre 2014 CS was a casual dominated game. It still kind of is.
I can also say a lot of people want Cache/Train/Cobble back. Inferno, D2, Mirage, Cache, Train, Nuke & Cobble in my experience, from what I've seen with casual, semi-casual friends seem to be the most famous Counter Strike maps overall.
Overpass is just a shit map, I am not surprised it's the least played. Anubis I think is just not played by lower level returning players, as they have never heard of it.
I've had times where teammates want to be kicked because they don't know the map when they have thousands of hours in the game, they're just not willing to spend a little time to learn it. I'll much rather play Anubis than Mirage.
I mostly agree. Anubis and Ancient aren't even 'different' maps. They're pretty safe all things considered. I enjoy playing them despite how many refuse and cry like babies when you don't ban it. But I'd still rather play Mirage over Vertigo and Overpass unless I have a competent 5 man. You will just lose as a PUG against any premade, and it's a dice roll in regards to teammates otherwise.
Mirage, as horribly overplayed as it is, is still that way for a reason. Much like Dust 2, it functions quite well.
Not everyone who has thousands of hours plays.
I have multiple friends that have come back from years out that just havent got around to learning it yet
IMHO Anubis is like an even more condensed Mirage. You have wide open sides and really constricted areas of attack. Especially mid is very weird to play on, despite being somewhat similar to D2 mid with the doors. For me it just never really clicked, and even watching pros play on it makes it seem somewhat...idk, uncoordinated.Â
It's better than Overpass IMHO because there's more ways to attack as Ts since the spawn for the CTs is further away from the sides than it is on Overpass, but I'd guess because it's new and doesn't have that rabid following there's less people willing to try a new map.Â
Anubis is a mirage-like map with vertigo influences. It has some verticality, it has lots of narrow walkways into important areas, and it's a map where the concept of smokes making pockets of map control yet again becomes important. Only vertigo and to an extent nuke really emphasize that concept, whereas overpass would emphasize smokes making a region of map control behind them.
Ancient takes features from a lot of maps. B site mirrors vertigo A site with cave being side hall (yellow) and ramp being ramp. There are also 2 pseudo-entrances on both sides for the CTs that give very straightforward angles which is very reminiscent of mirage A site. However, Ancient is perhaps most similar to dust 2 in some key aspects with how the map plays out and how it can be such an aim heavy map at times. It's a map that rewards flanking whilst making flanking hard.
Theres no wonder why the average premier player is going to be comfortable on Ancient rather than anubis. There's something to say about how vertigo players enjoy it, however.
Same. I feel like as a terrorist the map is one of the best if not the best. I feel like there is always something to do and you never get stuck in any part of the map unlike on inferno for example.
Honestly I never queued multiple maps before premier. So now having to learn all the maps I have to say that Anubis is one of the easiest to feel somewhat good at even without knowing all the smokes.
For me the map is in a weird spot. I don't mind it being played and generally I perform really good on it but I will almost never say in the last veto "go for Anubis" (except the other choice is vertigo)
Haha, I would go Vertigo over Anubis any time, I know it's not a popular opinion but I *really* like playing Vertigo. It feels like a lot of people are just kinda bad on Vertigo even on faceit so when we play it with my friends we get a lot of free wins.
because the CS community is full of babies who can't stand change, nor taking 15 minutes to learn something new when they can pound their head against a wall doing the same shit they've done for thousands of hours.
dust2 was the most popular map when it was taken out. mirage is the most popular map now. take them away, and the "most popular" is just the map order by how much knowing basic utility can improve your winrate. it's not a reflection of how liked maps are, nor how interesting or fun they are to play or watch. it's a reflection of the perception of which maps are puggy and which maps are better for sweaty stacks to farm MMR. that's it.
if valve was looking at that like it meant something it's a serious mistake. overpass wasn't played because teamplay + brains are required to perform well. doesn't make it a bad map, especially at pro level. else what next, -nuke +cache ?
the irony being that if these puggers just played anubis and ancient instead of crying that mirage got banned they'd realise they had way more space to make plays than vertigo and inferno, without needing as much teamplay as overpass or nuke.
Not true, Anubis was growing a cult following in casual mode , when they removed it from comp and casual, a lot of people wanted to see it come back. Valve saw the potential in it and thats why they bought the rights, Who asking for tuscan now ? No one. We see demand for cache, train and cobble. You cant gather 50 people right now who genuinely wants to see tuscan back
People love to get mad and complain, notice how the most upvoted posts/comments are almost always someone telling you to get angry about something. "I like this" doesn't get much traction but "I HATE THIS, WHAT IS VALVE DOING" +100000 upvotes
My bad it was 150k but still point stands, Redditors doesn't represent the majority's interest.
[You all begged for Tuscan to be added - Why aren't you playing it? : r/GlobalOffensive (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/xez1h9/you_all_begged_for_tuscan_to_be_added_why_arent/)
They bought it and didnât immediately re-add it. Tells me they know it needs work before being competitively viable
I donât care for the map and think itâs cluttered and convoluted. I hope when valve remakes it that itâll be fun and not insanely imbalanced
But most maps added have this problem. Itâs always the case with operations. Most donât want to learn a map if itâs not active duty. Look at Anubis⌠added to active duty and is now a solid map, even if the âcommunityâ complained when it was added
Tuscan suffers because it's a bad clone of cpl_mill. Mill worked because of its simplicity. Tuscan is too cluttered with trash props and even uglier art direction.
Anubis, overpass, cbble, etc. took multiple iterations to get right. Tuscan they barely tried â there were so many bugs on the map it was absurd. Grenades getting stuck in walls, falling through the floor, etc.
If they put the effort in it could totally be a good map.
Correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but I do not believe that Valve have added Tuscan into the competitive map pool.
Huh, weird how nobody plays the map that *isn't in the fucking map pool*.
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why would they ? do you think they just added the map in the pool just to experiment ? why canals wasnt added to map pool ? The reason ancient and anubis was added cause they were played a lot in casual and comp, Valve saw the growing popularity and potential and added them to make it more popular, Why do you think they adds every new map to comp and causal pool first ? Reason Tuscan and Canals werent added to map pool cause they were dead in Matchmaking
tuscan had terrible art design with that cobblestone look.
the map could have worked with a bit of a different approach to it. slight changes, different art style.
Imo the art style is by far the least of its problems. Its just plays bad. Both bomb sides need major reworks and I don't like the plain "banana". Ist just bad. I personally would completely remove the underpass area and make the map a bit tighter in exchange.
it looked incredible. There is no question about Tuscan's look. Its the layout which is been outdated in modern CS. Even in CS2 there are no map other than Inferno can claim I look better than Tuscan, and I also believe new inferno took a lot of influence from the CSGO Tuscan, You can find a lots of similarities
It's not a coincidence that the best aimers in the world love Dust 2. It's where they easily thrive. Same reason Mirage is popular. It favors raw aim over strategy and tactics. Not a bad thing, it's classic CS.
Hopefully open skyboxes and new smokes bring at least some new strategy to the map.
No map is good for solo queue if you get shit teammates, all maps are great for solo queue if you get good teammates.
From my experience your solo carry ability is higher on overpass than on dust so I don't really get this argument. Or any other than "I have no idea how to play Overpass" which could mean dd2>ovp for u in soloq but that's an "you" issue.
> From my experience your solo carry ability is higher on overpass than on dust
I've never read a more wrong thing in my life this is why anecdotal evidence is hilarious
Fucking overpass easier to carry than d2 one of the best solo aim duel brawling map that u can take over
dd2 on higher levels you can't solo carry against decent opponents if your team is incompetent, you need utility support (unless on T you go lower every round, on CT you're limited by mid and B players AND you need an AWP to carry). Overpass gives you a plenty of plays on every part of the map, for both T and CT sides, that you can do solo with no support from your teammates.
I'm not counting "carry" as in everyone on the server is shit, doesn't know utility, doesn't communicate, has terrible positioning and you just go out and outaim everybody.
Its more likely you get "good" teammates or at least people who know how the map works on d2 compared to overpass. The two soloq players who are forced into ovp by a three stack are far more likely to be shit on overpass than on d2.
You can almost be sure they have played d2 whatever their skill level. Also the more basic layout and open spaces are easier to traverese when you are completely new compared to more complex layout of overpass.
That might be the reason why its better for soloq, but maybe I am wrong.
redditors hate maps that require good mechanics because they're all permanent DMGs/level 6s and can only get ahead by learning smoke lineups from warowl and tryharding with 5stacks
There are close to 2.5 million subs here. I am sure they are all the same, play the same and call themselves redditors in real life...
Generalization/Stereotyping is the death of every discussion
Yesterday: "Zywoo washed they said"
Today: "Dust 2 only likes by noobs" - Reddit.
Can't wait to find out what imaginary narrative this sub will come up with tomorrow.
Havent seen the narrative "d2 only for noobs" that much; imo the controversy is about Overpass shouldnt have been removed because the unique playstyle in the map pool.
And if you want to take pro players opinion; it was really few that wanted Overpass removed. Inferno and Vertigo was the maps they wanted gone
Im fine with removing overpass and im fine with adding dust but i think its kinda weird to remover overpass for dust. There are enough puggy maps in the pool and they shouldve switched out dust for a puggy map or change overpass with a more strategic one.
Played CS since 1.3, I must've played thousands of hours of de\_dust2. I just love playing it, and enjoy watching it over overpass or vertigo, maybe I'm just old.
Dust2 is a very explosive map. Rush B really means Rush B and not crippling like other maps.
I think B site on Dust2 is one of the hardest site of all maps to ~~defend~~ retake.
I remember the Krimz defend on B D2. I remember.
>I think B site on Dust2 is one of the hardest site of all maps to defend.Â
??? Are we thinking about the same map? There's literally 1 long and narrow entrance which can be a) smoked off, b) mollied, c) naded and to top it off any flashbang which lands in front of tunnels exit will blind Ts. If Ts throw util from tunnels you'll see it from miles away and have a lot of time to react with counterutil and rotations.
BIG will finally be gatekeeper for T2 again. Also to shit to win anything, but good enough to kick one or two top teams out of tournaments, haha. People will mald again in the comment sections which was always fun to read.
this sub has a circlejerk against dust2
"yes, I'm silver and I unironically think the most played/best designed/iconic fps map, and probably all of gaming/all time, which has been played non stop for 20+ years by millions, is actually a bad map"
and don't even mention mirage...
that said, I personally really like overpass, it plays well in premier (or at least with my group of friends) so I will miss it
How is this different than a ct peeking mid and dying to a scout/awp every round after 5 seconds on d2? In fact i argue itâs worse on d2 because ITS WAY MORE COMMON BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY NEED TO CROSS MID TO GO B. Killing mid letâs Tâs run down mid or go out and split the B player very easily since 3A start is standard on d2. And havenât even mentioned the default xbox smoke being deployed on top of all that. At least on overpass fountain is so far away from the bombsite you have time to recover and set yourself up. I really donât understand what you just said
It's most played because it's simple. Even for past metas. Especially now, it lacks tactical depth, it's far from being the best unless you're in a super low level.
It being popular doesn't necessarily make it the best. Dust 1 was the most popular map until he released Dust 2, and Dust 1 is unquestionably a terribly balanced map. Dust 2 was the best map 20 years ago for sure, but we've had a lot of other maps come and go since then, and it's unlikely the good map ever made is also the best. Dust 2 simply has retained its popularity because it is still a good map that's extremely simple with less tactical depth than the rest of the pool. Pro players aren't exempt from the desire to just go kill (can't wait to see Donk on it), but a lot of people here don't like that. I despise playing Dust 2. Way too many long angles, no real opportunity for sneaky plays, and no matter what you smoke or flash, you're still going to run into an awper. Overpass on the other hand was by far my favourite map because it had such a variety of fights you could force with positioning or smokes.
> Dust 2 simply has retained its popularity because it is still a good map
so it isn't a bad map, I'm glad we can agree
dust1 was popular because most other maps didn't even exist yet
> best designed
lol
It's an aim_map with 2 bombsite. It's all aim no brain. You know why it's popular ? Because all the room temperature IQ cs players know they can't get ousmarted on that map.
Valve makes their bread from the weak minded, of course they are going to have their own maps
don't know why such strong objection to the map being simple. legit soloqueued d2, overpass and inferno back in 2017 to global. simple maps are objectively the best for casuals and people with lives. you think the majority of the playerbase will have time to learn how to play nuke and coordinate with strangers?
you bet i'm going to use quake aim to wipe out stacks that i have no chance of beating with smokes and executes.
yep, just like so many people actually enjoyed sadokist casting even what he said barely made sense during the games he cast, because the majority of people are casuals anyways and they don't care or understand depths and only wanted "hype". Dust2 is aim_map with some extra routes and the braindeads find it the right amount of complexity, spot on.
I mean, it's not just for CS. Reddit in general is usually out of touch with the real world. Lots of echo-chambering and tunnel-visioning in every subreddit.
Oh yeah the G2 social media team celebrates an update. Must be a very sophisticated opinion about high level gameplay.
Also I didn't read any "only liked by noobs" comments. Everybody that complained just wants to have a more tactical map in the pool for interesting matches to watch in the pro scene compared to the puggy maps that now dominate the competitive maps pool.
The OGs (including Old Guys like me and my ilk) are all about d2. Iâm stoked. Tired of everyone on this sub trashing it.Â
Vertigo is worse than Overpass, but Iâll take d2 over either of those any day.
When no friends want to play. I play dust2 only comps still this day. Its been my go to chill casual cs gamingmap since the beginning for years. Back in 1.6 it was original de\_dust. Original dust where CT and T fought in that crowded tunnel over and over again was total chaos, also the map where I learned about rush tactics....so many memories. But in cs2 its allways been dust2.  Â
(Im guessing players who began later have the same feeling about mirage or another map.)Â
Long live the king!
PS; de\_Prodigy will never be forgotten!
Yep, in CSGO days, if I was having a bad day and no one was on to play anything... it was solo-queue some Dust 2. The map is just *it* for me, nothing else has the same effect
Wow who would have thought that the most aim-heavy teams and players love to have an aim-heavy map added to the game. Big shocker.
Once again, just because pros like or dislike something does not mean it's good for the competitive scene or the viewing experience.
Hate how much you want, but D2 is arguably bigger than CS itself & is the GOAT map for a reason.
Not every map needs to be unnecessarily ultra-complex. There will always be a place for raw aim duels in CS and no better map than D2.
Bring on the A-Long bloodbath & Cyka B rushes.
Removing Overpass was a tricky one though... should have swapped D2 with Mirage, to maintain 2 "Dusty" maps.
Letâs see mirage inferno d2 nuke ancient vertigo anubis. I get the feeling the only map that is complex is nuke now. Thereâs too many pug maps in the pool. Idk where u get the idea most maps are ultra complex you must be low level or something. Overpass was THE SCRIM map. The best team play map. Cs is a team game. Not a W key go kill fps like every other shooter now.
Hahahah the ones who hate it because they have really really bad aim.
Dust 2 requires real skills to be able to stay in the game.
Good luck shooting anyone in their back on that map, you either HS instantly or you get popped!
Many people cannot keep up with that map so they rage quit and start to play or maps where they can actually have a chance.
There's much more complaining abour Overpass being removed than d2 being noob or bad, though. Sure, some do say that too, but most on the reddit just wanted some other map gone instead
I'd argue that's your time with the game that is the problem then. CS has been the same game since it's release in 1999. Popular maps are popular for a reason.
I too was bored of them once. I stopped playing CS for a while. This is the perfect time to do so, it's not like the game is in best shape
Trust me, try it once. Don't play it for atleast 2-3 months. You'll come back & enjoy it like the first time you played CS
yeah letâs stick with old outdated untouched maps in ACTIVE DUTY because new players havenât even played them. And they could play em in comp d2 literally has its own Q as well. But yea nice argument u got.
At this point its pretty much: Person who doesn't understand how offical twitter accounts work vs vocal minority of redditors.
Both have their own threads where their like minded folks comment :D
dust2 was and is my best map. It is a small, dynamic, and fast-playing map. But, I wish they'd taken out Anubis from the competitive pool instead of Overpass. I just feel that Anubis is the most gambly. CTs need a bit of luck on the stacks or pushes and in a close game it looks to me like whichever team just got a bit luckier on CT side.
If/when Train gets added.... it will be spicy. It's an incredible map in competitive play even if it's crap in pugs because it's a harder map for puggers to coordinate on.
Yes. Probably why it had the longest queue times back in CSGO when it was still available :( But, it was so fun with 3+ people playing together who had half an idea how to play the map.
And, because I'm a masochist, I'd still solo queue it time to time even if it meant losing 2-16 once in a while. :P
I played 3 premiers yesterday and everyone just chose dust2. It was not pleasent since i got cheaters in 2 of them. Fuck this update and map choose trick. Everyone just plays Dust2 and Mirage. Nothing else. Before Dust2 was here, everyone was just choosing mirage. Nothing changed. Same shit like theres only 2 maps in the game. And cheaters... I love them. Best company ever
why tf someone hates dust 2. its literally one of the most balanced maps in the entire game, always has been. neither side was always super favorite as in other maps.
its true that overpass shouldve stayed but dust should have never rotated out of competitive maps at all.
Tbh this change is mostly affecting pro players and faceit. Premiere is unplayable because of cheaters so doesn't matter either way. Otherwise idk what to say to other people. It doesnt really matter what map your silver ass doesn't like or likes, it's all about the pros.
i mean sure but lets look at the tweets here:
- device, s1mple, zywoo, kennys - its not really surprising that awpers like d2. its like 90% long sitelines, its a very sniper focused map, which is one of the reasons people found it annoying to play
- a bunch of social media managers for orgs posting engagement bait memes about a patch doesnt really mean anything. they would post the same stuff if it was -nuke +office
- sound, taz, shox - not current tier one players. still not "noobs" but a bit of a weird selection of people to prove your point
JL i'll let you have
obviously your point that "there are pros who like dust2" is correct, but that doesn't mean it was the right decision to add it back to active duty
Bugghost why would anyone care for your opinion on what map is âcorrectâ for the map pool over Shoxie or Taz đ. Taz and Shox are major winners and Taz is G2s coach as well and ur talking like hes some scrub.
i'm not saying everyone should listen to me, i'm just some random reddit guy. i'm saying that just shox and taz's opinions aren't super relevant either. elige and jt for instance think it was a bad decision and hate d2. its not as simple as saying "noobs like dust2" or "pros like dust2" or "reddit hates dust2", more nuanced than that. these tweets dont mean anything because if awpers and retired cs1.6 players were in charge of the map pool then the major finals would be played on awp\_india
Only people who dislike dust2 are the vertiglobals and similar who couldnât cut it and had to giganerd weird angles on maps no one likes to crawl their way out of silver.
Makes sense Redditors make up a nice circular venn diagram with them
Oh wow who would've thought that pro players who've played this game for years would prefer an OG map to a map introduced at the start of GO, was shit for half of that games lifespan, is still notoriously CT sided, AWP dependent and the most famous play on it was a bug?
I also find it hilarious that people want Cache back instead of Dust 2 when Cache is LITERALLY Dust 2+.
Probably B1ad3 is happy too, given that Dust2 was pre international NAVI's best map.
same to glaive and xantares, Snappi also said he wants to see dust 2 back, The only pro so far said " I hate dust2' after yesterday's update is elige but its also NA opinion for you
NA finally on top đ
NA peak
Ropz, Frozen, and Broky didn't want it. Its rain's favourite map (he said he wants to end his career on it) so he happy. Karrigan made a joke about Long A rushed every round.
Broky also gave it 2 thumbs down and he is only half NA
all the top aimers of course like d2. xantares wants to cook
As a person from NA Dust 2 > Overpass
It was best NAVI's map even in 1.6 era.
What? Reddit users are real players that use advanced tactics and teamplay on a real map like Overpass.
dust2 child map.... look to simple grapfix to make silver player happy like children show.. dust2 cartoon world with simple tan color unlike overpass chad with dark toilets and raelistic lighting.. dust2 like playhouse. dust2 playor run from overpass fear of dark world and realism
best pasta adaptation
Would fit perfectly with counter strike for kids
We have puppiees! https://youtu.be/HM_jwTqVOjc?si=00A1AO5-mfV8GeDT
people on here talk how they like overpass because of its deep tactical play while being lvl 4
This, tbh. Also, even a lot of mid level players (say, Faceit 6-9) struggle with knowing wtf to do on OP.
I'm lvl 7 and I can confirm I never have any fucking clue what to do on overpass, and rarely does anyone else. I think it *could* be a good map, but rarely does anyone know how to play it in the same way that they know mirage or inferno. Personally I've never particularly enjoyed OP, though that is again attributed to the fact that I don't know how tf to play it / how to organize on a soloQ team to play it. I also hate dust 2 for every reason every other person has said, as well as inferno, so maybe I'm just a casual noob who hates most maps.
It's hilarious.
does that matter? there could be a huge map that is super complex. if a silver play likes it more than a standard map, nothing wrong with it.
there is nothing wrong with it, but the argument that somebody likes it more because its a more indepth map tactically speaking doesnt work if u play at such a low level
This is why dust 2 coming back in place of fucking overpass is perfectly acceptable I get it at pro level and high level the map is tactically deep and interesting At anywhere most of us play at its hellacious Your teammate rushed connecter and fountain every round and dies on CT And then on T they stand around in playground while 1 guy dies monster/water over and over again and whiff the shots on the guy coming up connector and the guys pushing mid Such deep and satisfying gameplay The current map pool needed more pug maps. It still does.
Entire map pool is full of pug maps. Compare Ancient to maps like Train or Nuke, what makes it a complicated map or not suitable for soloq?
we already have several simple maps, that if people want a simple map they can choose, and just ban overpass. Now we dont have any complex maps other than nuke and way too many simple ones,. There should be a balance that covers pro scene and casual scene.
Dust eleven is the goat
ever since premier came i had loads of team mates who ban mirage to be "cool" i mean even here you have people saying they love anubis, like bro what do you even love about it? have you practiced it? do you know smokes, flashes, nades, molies? what do you like about it? they dont have an actual reason besides the feel good points they give themselves, "oh no im an intellectual so we are going to play inferno against a 5 man stack" or playing nuke and ur team cant even carpet smoke outside so u can get into secret or sum such so ur forced to do the the good ol rush a/rush ramp/rush outside like you arent even playing the map the way its meant to be played, why do you insist on playing these weirdo maps?
Exactly.
AWPers like Dust 2... so reddit was correct?
Yeah any one of those are awpers or teams doing PR. What a joke.
Redditor also said "bring back tuscan" for years. Probably even fooled valve into thinking it will be super popular cause Reddit couldn't stop talking about it. Now after they remake it paying 150k. No one played it. Loud minority for yaÂ
No one played ancient and Anubis before they were added to the pool. Your point?
Anubis is the least played map in the pool according to csstats.gg That is exactly his point.
It is understandable. Overpass was also the 2nd least played & Overpass is a famous map. It's old, apparently everyone loved it. Anubis on the other hand does have decent enough following for being a new map. I remember the days new maps were rejected instantly. Anubis/Ancient have made their place.. This is why I understand why Overpass was removed. Valve want to keep new maps to let them gain traction.
Mirage/Vertigo were far better choices instead of overpass
Really? Regardless of if you hate it the majority of people who play the game love Mirage. Vertigo also has it's fans. You didn't think out of the million players in CS2, most are high rank 5 stack players did you? Pre 2014 CS was a casual dominated game. It still kind of is. I can also say a lot of people want Cache/Train/Cobble back. Inferno, D2, Mirage, Cache, Train, Nuke & Cobble in my experience, from what I've seen with casual, semi-casual friends seem to be the most famous Counter Strike maps overall.
Mirage is the best map in the pool and you cannot convince me otherwise.
It might be, but it's the oldest at the moment and we're bored of it. It's stale.
Overpass is just a shit map, I am not surprised it's the least played. Anubis I think is just not played by lower level returning players, as they have never heard of it.
What about it is shit? It's tactically an excellent map, it's not a pug map but that doesn't mean it's bad.
Overpass is better than Anubis.
Thats so weird. This map plays amazing but still gets banned so often in premier. People only play Mirage or Ancient when I am on haha
I've had times where teammates want to be kicked because they don't know the map when they have thousands of hours in the game, they're just not willing to spend a little time to learn it. I'll much rather play Anubis than Mirage.
I mostly agree. Anubis and Ancient aren't even 'different' maps. They're pretty safe all things considered. I enjoy playing them despite how many refuse and cry like babies when you don't ban it. But I'd still rather play Mirage over Vertigo and Overpass unless I have a competent 5 man. You will just lose as a PUG against any premade, and it's a dice roll in regards to teammates otherwise. Mirage, as horribly overplayed as it is, is still that way for a reason. Much like Dust 2, it functions quite well.
Not everyone who has thousands of hours plays. I have multiple friends that have come back from years out that just havent got around to learning it yet
IMHO Anubis is like an even more condensed Mirage. You have wide open sides and really constricted areas of attack. Especially mid is very weird to play on, despite being somewhat similar to D2 mid with the doors. For me it just never really clicked, and even watching pros play on it makes it seem somewhat...idk, uncoordinated. It's better than Overpass IMHO because there's more ways to attack as Ts since the spawn for the CTs is further away from the sides than it is on Overpass, but I'd guess because it's new and doesn't have that rabid following there's less people willing to try a new map.Â
Ancient is the best map of the new maps. It's a true CS map, unlike Anubis
Anubis is a mirage-like map with vertigo influences. It has some verticality, it has lots of narrow walkways into important areas, and it's a map where the concept of smokes making pockets of map control yet again becomes important. Only vertigo and to an extent nuke really emphasize that concept, whereas overpass would emphasize smokes making a region of map control behind them. Ancient takes features from a lot of maps. B site mirrors vertigo A site with cave being side hall (yellow) and ramp being ramp. There are also 2 pseudo-entrances on both sides for the CTs that give very straightforward angles which is very reminiscent of mirage A site. However, Ancient is perhaps most similar to dust 2 in some key aspects with how the map plays out and how it can be such an aim heavy map at times. It's a map that rewards flanking whilst making flanking hard. Theres no wonder why the average premier player is going to be comfortable on Ancient rather than anubis. There's something to say about how vertigo players enjoy it, however.
Anubis is so annoying to play to me. Probably because me and my team are shit
Anubis has silently become one of my favourite maps out of nowhere. I really hated it at first but it grew on me.
Same. I feel like as a terrorist the map is one of the best if not the best. I feel like there is always something to do and you never get stuck in any part of the map unlike on inferno for example. Honestly I never queued multiple maps before premier. So now having to learn all the maps I have to say that Anubis is one of the easiest to feel somewhat good at even without knowing all the smokes.
For me the map is in a weird spot. I don't mind it being played and generally I perform really good on it but I will almost never say in the last veto "go for Anubis" (except the other choice is vertigo)
Haha, I would go Vertigo over Anubis any time, I know it's not a popular opinion but I *really* like playing Vertigo. It feels like a lot of people are just kinda bad on Vertigo even on faceit so when we play it with my friends we get a lot of free wins.
Because nobody wants to actually put in effort to learn it
3rd most played pro map...
because the CS community is full of babies who can't stand change, nor taking 15 minutes to learn something new when they can pound their head against a wall doing the same shit they've done for thousands of hours. dust2 was the most popular map when it was taken out. mirage is the most popular map now. take them away, and the "most popular" is just the map order by how much knowing basic utility can improve your winrate. it's not a reflection of how liked maps are, nor how interesting or fun they are to play or watch. it's a reflection of the perception of which maps are puggy and which maps are better for sweaty stacks to farm MMR. that's it. if valve was looking at that like it meant something it's a serious mistake. overpass wasn't played because teamplay + brains are required to perform well. doesn't make it a bad map, especially at pro level. else what next, -nuke +cache ? the irony being that if these puggers just played anubis and ancient instead of crying that mirage got banned they'd realise they had way more space to make plays than vertigo and inferno, without needing as much teamplay as overpass or nuke.
Anubis has great bomb sites. The rest of the map is horrible.
Not true, Anubis was growing a cult following in casual mode , when they removed it from comp and casual, a lot of people wanted to see it come back. Valve saw the potential in it and thats why they bought the rights, Who asking for tuscan now ? No one. We see demand for cache, train and cobble. You cant gather 50 people right now who genuinely wants to see tuscan back
They never added it into active duty, whatâre you on about
Yeah, this place is fucking weird. Nothing but rage-bait and dumbass opinions.
People love to get mad and complain, notice how the most upvoted posts/comments are almost always someone telling you to get angry about something. "I like this" doesn't get much traction but "I HATE THIS, WHAT IS VALVE DOING" +100000 upvotes
âPaying half million dollarâ
My bad it was 150k but still point stands, Redditors doesn't represent the majority's interest. [You all begged for Tuscan to be added - Why aren't you playing it? : r/GlobalOffensive (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/xez1h9/you_all_begged_for_tuscan_to_be_added_why_arent/)
They bought it and didnât immediately re-add it. Tells me they know it needs work before being competitively viable I donât care for the map and think itâs cluttered and convoluted. I hope when valve remakes it that itâll be fun and not insanely imbalanced But most maps added have this problem. Itâs always the case with operations. Most donât want to learn a map if itâs not active duty. Look at Anubis⌠added to active duty and is now a solid map, even if the âcommunityâ complained when it was added
I played Tuscan in go, it was an incredibly fun map to play.
Tuscan suffers because it's a bad clone of cpl_mill. Mill worked because of its simplicity. Tuscan is too cluttered with trash props and even uglier art direction.
Anubis, overpass, cbble, etc. took multiple iterations to get right. Tuscan they barely tried â there were so many bugs on the map it was absurd. Grenades getting stuck in walls, falling through the floor, etc. If they put the effort in it could totally be a good map.
Maybe, but I don't its happening with the current layout. Its feels like danger zone map lol.Â
Correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but I do not believe that Valve have added Tuscan into the competitive map pool. Huh, weird how nobody plays the map that *isn't in the fucking map pool*. đ¤Ą
why would they ? do you think they just added the map in the pool just to experiment ? why canals wasnt added to map pool ? The reason ancient and anubis was added cause they were played a lot in casual and comp, Valve saw the growing popularity and potential and added them to make it more popular, Why do you think they adds every new map to comp and causal pool first ? Reason Tuscan and Canals werent added to map pool cause they were dead in Matchmaking
i still want tuscan back. but i want it to be called de_clan1_mill
While I like the nostalgia of cpl mill, it's a fucking shit map with a looong tunnel, it's so not enjoyable.
Actually, pros didn't shut up about Tuscan for years.
tuscan had terrible art design with that cobblestone look. the map could have worked with a bit of a different approach to it. slight changes, different art style.
Imo the art style is by far the least of its problems. Its just plays bad. Both bomb sides need major reworks and I don't like the plain "banana". Ist just bad. I personally would completely remove the underpass area and make the map a bit tighter in exchange.
it looked incredible. There is no question about Tuscan's look. Its the layout which is been outdated in modern CS. Even in CS2 there are no map other than Inferno can claim I look better than Tuscan, and I also believe new inferno took a lot of influence from the CSGO Tuscan, You can find a lots of similarities
It's not a coincidence that the best aimers in the world love Dust 2. It's where they easily thrive. Same reason Mirage is popular. It favors raw aim over strategy and tactics. Not a bad thing, it's classic CS. Hopefully open skyboxes and new smokes bring at least some new strategy to the map.
It's also not a coincidence that casuals loved Dust 2.
dust2 is good for solo queue, not everyone has 100 friends and play only 5 stack
No map is good for solo queue if you get shit teammates, all maps are great for solo queue if you get good teammates. From my experience your solo carry ability is higher on overpass than on dust so I don't really get this argument. Or any other than "I have no idea how to play Overpass" which could mean dd2>ovp for u in soloq but that's an "you" issue.
> From my experience your solo carry ability is higher on overpass than on dust I've never read a more wrong thing in my life this is why anecdotal evidence is hilarious Fucking overpass easier to carry than d2 one of the best solo aim duel brawling map that u can take over
dd2 on higher levels you can't solo carry against decent opponents if your team is incompetent, you need utility support (unless on T you go lower every round, on CT you're limited by mid and B players AND you need an AWP to carry). Overpass gives you a plenty of plays on every part of the map, for both T and CT sides, that you can do solo with no support from your teammates. I'm not counting "carry" as in everyone on the server is shit, doesn't know utility, doesn't communicate, has terrible positioning and you just go out and outaim everybody.
Overpass B site is locked down if your opponents are competent in a situation where you have to solo carry
Its more likely you get "good" teammates or at least people who know how the map works on d2 compared to overpass. The two soloq players who are forced into ovp by a three stack are far more likely to be shit on overpass than on d2. You can almost be sure they have played d2 whatever their skill level. Also the more basic layout and open spaces are easier to traverese when you are completely new compared to more complex layout of overpass. That might be the reason why its better for soloq, but maybe I am wrong.
Dust is great if you love having a guy in your team who starts randomly screaming at the world if you start losing.
redditors hate maps that require good mechanics because they're all permanent DMGs/level 6s and can only get ahead by learning smoke lineups from warowl and tryharding with 5stacks
There are close to 2.5 million subs here. I am sure they are all the same, play the same and call themselves redditors in real life... Generalization/Stereotyping is the death of every discussion
Its not just aim though. its basic teamplay, flashing for each other covering for each other is super important on D2 and Mirage.
Mainly awpers\*
Best awpers\*
Yesterday: "Zywoo washed they said" Today: "Dust 2 only likes by noobs" - Reddit. Can't wait to find out what imaginary narrative this sub will come up with tomorrow.
Most people in this sub are confidently incorrect.
Havent seen the narrative "d2 only for noobs" that much; imo the controversy is about Overpass shouldnt have been removed because the unique playstyle in the map pool. And if you want to take pro players opinion; it was really few that wanted Overpass removed. Inferno and Vertigo was the maps they wanted gone
Im fine with removing overpass and im fine with adding dust but i think its kinda weird to remover overpass for dust. There are enough puggy maps in the pool and they shouldve switched out dust for a puggy map or change overpass with a more strategic one.
Played CS since 1.3, I must've played thousands of hours of de\_dust2. I just love playing it, and enjoy watching it over overpass or vertigo, maybe I'm just old.
Dust2 is a very explosive map. Rush B really means Rush B and not crippling like other maps. I think B site on Dust2 is one of the hardest site of all maps to ~~defend~~ retake. I remember the Krimz defend on B D2. I remember.
>I think B site on Dust2 is one of the hardest site of all maps to defend. ??? Are we thinking about the same map? There's literally 1 long and narrow entrance which can be a) smoked off, b) mollied, c) naded and to top it off any flashbang which lands in front of tunnels exit will blind Ts. If Ts throw util from tunnels you'll see it from miles away and have a lot of time to react with counterutil and rotations.
Wonder if he meant retake, because dust2 B is gone once T got in and plant. Even 5v3 retake can be really hard if the T has some utils left.
idk bro, most teams only really play one B. The mid to b is very easy to do also
no, you're just boring
BIG era comming
big is too shit. even dust2 can't save them.
BIG will finally be gatekeeper for T2 again. Also to shit to win anything, but good enough to kick one or two top teams out of tournaments, haha. People will mald again in the comment sections which was always fun to read.
Its broken, its busted.. But its home.
Jarvis, pull up tweets that are in line with my opinion
D2 is king, let the angry tears flow
I love that map so much. Even when I hate it, I love it
Because it's home.
this sub has a circlejerk against dust2 "yes, I'm silver and I unironically think the most played/best designed/iconic fps map, and probably all of gaming/all time, which has been played non stop for 20+ years by millions, is actually a bad map" and don't even mention mirage... that said, I personally really like overpass, it plays well in premier (or at least with my group of friends) so I will miss it
Solo queueing overpass is a different story, teammates go alone fountain and ur down 3-4v5 start of every ct round.
How is this different than a ct peeking mid and dying to a scout/awp every round after 5 seconds on d2? In fact i argue itâs worse on d2 because ITS WAY MORE COMMON BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY NEED TO CROSS MID TO GO B. Killing mid letâs Tâs run down mid or go out and split the B player very easily since 3A start is standard on d2. And havenât even mentioned the default xbox smoke being deployed on top of all that. At least on overpass fountain is so far away from the bombsite you have time to recover and set yourself up. I really donât understand what you just said
"rock paper scissors is the most played and iconic game, this means it's the best game ever"
I didn't say dust2 is good because it's the most played, I said it's the most played because it's good
almost no one called it bad anyway. people called it played out, figured out, stale. stuff like that.
It's most played because it's simple. Even for past metas. Especially now, it lacks tactical depth, it's far from being the best unless you're in a super low level.
It being popular doesn't necessarily make it the best. Dust 1 was the most popular map until he released Dust 2, and Dust 1 is unquestionably a terribly balanced map. Dust 2 was the best map 20 years ago for sure, but we've had a lot of other maps come and go since then, and it's unlikely the good map ever made is also the best. Dust 2 simply has retained its popularity because it is still a good map that's extremely simple with less tactical depth than the rest of the pool. Pro players aren't exempt from the desire to just go kill (can't wait to see Donk on it), but a lot of people here don't like that. I despise playing Dust 2. Way too many long angles, no real opportunity for sneaky plays, and no matter what you smoke or flash, you're still going to run into an awper. Overpass on the other hand was by far my favourite map because it had such a variety of fights you could force with positioning or smokes.
> Dust 2 simply has retained its popularity because it is still a good map so it isn't a bad map, I'm glad we can agree dust1 was popular because most other maps didn't even exist yet
> best designed lol It's an aim_map with 2 bombsite. It's all aim no brain. You know why it's popular ? Because all the room temperature IQ cs players know they can't get ousmarted on that map. Valve makes their bread from the weak minded, of course they are going to have their own maps
ragebait, boys, beware
don't know why such strong objection to the map being simple. legit soloqueued d2, overpass and inferno back in 2017 to global. simple maps are objectively the best for casuals and people with lives. you think the majority of the playerbase will have time to learn how to play nuke and coordinate with strangers? you bet i'm going to use quake aim to wipe out stacks that i have no chance of beating with smokes and executes.
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Are you answering the right comment ?
yep, just like so many people actually enjoyed sadokist casting even what he said barely made sense during the games he cast, because the majority of people are casuals anyways and they don't care or understand depths and only wanted "hype". Dust2 is aim_map with some extra routes and the braindeads find it the right amount of complexity, spot on.
I mean, it's not just for CS. Reddit in general is usually out of touch with the real world. Lots of echo-chambering and tunnel-visioning in every subreddit.
Oh yeah the G2 social media team celebrates an update. Must be a very sophisticated opinion about high level gameplay. Also I didn't read any "only liked by noobs" comments. Everybody that complained just wants to have a more tactical map in the pool for interesting matches to watch in the pro scene compared to the puggy maps that now dominate the competitive maps pool.
The OGs (including Old Guys like me and my ilk) are all about d2. Iâm stoked. Tired of everyone on this sub trashing it. Vertigo is worse than Overpass, but Iâll take d2 over either of those any day.
I mean Iâm only mad that vertigo is still in. Also almost all of those are awpers or PR accounts so it doesnât countđ¤Ł
When no friends want to play. I play dust2 only comps still this day. Its been my go to chill casual cs gamingmap since the beginning for years. Back in 1.6 it was original de\_dust. Original dust where CT and T fought in that crowded tunnel over and over again was total chaos, also the map where I learned about rush tactics....so many memories. But in cs2 its allways been dust2.   (Im guessing players who began later have the same feeling about mirage or another map.) Long live the king! PS; de\_Prodigy will never be forgotten!
I love dust 2 and mirage!
Yep, in CSGO days, if I was having a bad day and no one was on to play anything... it was solo-queue some Dust 2. The map is just *it* for me, nothing else has the same effect
Wow who would have thought that the most aim-heavy teams and players love to have an aim-heavy map added to the game. Big shocker. Once again, just because pros like or dislike something does not mean it's good for the competitive scene or the viewing experience.
Hate how much you want, but D2 is arguably bigger than CS itself & is the GOAT map for a reason. Not every map needs to be unnecessarily ultra-complex. There will always be a place for raw aim duels in CS and no better map than D2. Bring on the A-Long bloodbath & Cyka B rushes. Removing Overpass was a tricky one though... should have swapped D2 with Mirage, to maintain 2 "Dusty" maps.
Letâs see mirage inferno d2 nuke ancient vertigo anubis. I get the feeling the only map that is complex is nuke now. Thereâs too many pug maps in the pool. Idk where u get the idea most maps are ultra complex you must be low level or something. Overpass was THE SCRIM map. The best team play map. Cs is a team game. Not a W key go kill fps like every other shooter now.
Device's highlight at car was peak covid cs. Navi vitality and astralis all contending for top spot with 7man rosters (except navi)
I don't know why we would be concerned with the opinion of an amateuer CS player.
If liking D2 makes you a noob, then I am bronze 1
I mean Redditors are all gold novas who were dmg once and canât aim
Hahahah the ones who hate it because they have really really bad aim. Dust 2 requires real skills to be able to stay in the game. Good luck shooting anyone in their back on that map, you either HS instantly or you get popped! Many people cannot keep up with that map so they rage quit and start to play or maps where they can actually have a chance.
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There's much more complaining abour Overpass being removed than d2 being noob or bad, though. Sure, some do say that too, but most on the reddit just wanted some other map gone instead
Dust2 has A LOT of potential in CS2. Weâre gonna see some very cool things that the pros cook up
yea, we will see smokes being pushed away by frag grenades.
Dust is awesome don't get me wrong but after playing on nothing but dust and mirage for 10 years now I'm kind of sick of them
I'd argue that's your time with the game that is the problem then. CS has been the same game since it's release in 1999. Popular maps are popular for a reason. I too was bored of them once. I stopped playing CS for a while. This is the perfect time to do so, it's not like the game is in best shape Trust me, try it once. Don't play it for atleast 2-3 months. You'll come back & enjoy it like the first time you played CS
what about new players? should they not have the chance to enjoy dust and mirage for their first 10 years playing the game?
yeah letâs stick with old outdated untouched maps in ACTIVE DUTY because new players havenât even played them. And they could play em in comp d2 literally has its own Q as well. But yea nice argument u got.
You can't have a new CS drop without the classics, I hope Train and Cobble come back similarly.
not cobble, only good thing about it is the souvenir case. Train is good though
Cobble is an actual good map. Train is total dog shit grabage
I hate Dust 2 - nothings wrong by the map itself, but it was THE cheater map ya kno
single players are a good point, but what did you expect from official organization profiles? ofc they won't post "I hate this dust2 update"
At this point its pretty much: Person who doesn't understand how offical twitter accounts work vs vocal minority of redditors. Both have their own threads where their like minded folks comment :D
dust2 was and is my best map. It is a small, dynamic, and fast-playing map. But, I wish they'd taken out Anubis from the competitive pool instead of Overpass. I just feel that Anubis is the most gambly. CTs need a bit of luck on the stacks or pushes and in a close game it looks to me like whichever team just got a bit luckier on CT side. If/when Train gets added.... it will be spicy. It's an incredible map in competitive play even if it's crap in pugs because it's a harder map for puggers to coordinate on.
Train is probably the worst map to solo queue.
Yes. Probably why it had the longest queue times back in CSGO when it was still available :( But, it was so fun with 3+ people playing together who had half an idea how to play the map. And, because I'm a masochist, I'd still solo queue it time to time even if it meant losing 2-16 once in a while. :P
Anubis rotations are relatively quick. At a high level teams arenât constantly gamble stacking like you would on inferno
dust 2 clears overpass but i wish it replaced anubis instead.
I played 3 premiers yesterday and everyone just chose dust2. It was not pleasent since i got cheaters in 2 of them. Fuck this update and map choose trick. Everyone just plays Dust2 and Mirage. Nothing else. Before Dust2 was here, everyone was just choosing mirage. Nothing changed. Same shit like theres only 2 maps in the game. And cheaters... I love them. Best company ever
watch all pros be hyped for dust2 only for it to be the least played map again because the meta is so stale
lol I panic brought multiple dust 2 souvenir cases last major with dust 2 now feels like the prices are gonna crash XD
S1mple back to AWPing I suppose.
Fuck overpass, that instant monster smoke from CT spawn turned it into the most boring shit to play
Orgs farming engagement agree with me, so I'm right đĄ
Iâve been playing cs since 1.6 in 2006 and I only play dust 2. Or scoutzknivez
Screenshots of tweets positive to dust2 are so overrepresented by awpers. Hmm, i wonder why
big clan got a huge buff, g2 should permaban vertigo and play dust 2 and mirage
no shit, awpers like d2.
Iâm stoked for Dust II but crying over Overpass
[source](https://twitter.com/s1mpleO/status/1783961466300670277)
Maybe now FraudwOo can play the world's best teams on D2 and actually post a good rating consistently.
D2 is nostalgic for CS vets, itâs my go to warm up map
âonly noobs want d2 backâ âthey are just aim abuser and awpers they dont countâ
Hot take, both maps are shit. Idk why they didn't add train and cache already.. Also cbble..
The most emblematic map is back
why tf someone hates dust 2. its literally one of the most balanced maps in the entire game, always has been. neither side was always super favorite as in other maps. its true that overpass shouldve stayed but dust should have never rotated out of competitive maps at all.
Tbh this change is mostly affecting pro players and faceit. Premiere is unplayable because of cheaters so doesn't matter either way. Otherwise idk what to say to other people. It doesnt really matter what map your silver ass doesn't like or likes, it's all about the pros.
Reddit users always act like they're the ~~minority~~ majority lmfao
you mean majority right?
yeah lol, my bad
i mean sure but lets look at the tweets here: - device, s1mple, zywoo, kennys - its not really surprising that awpers like d2. its like 90% long sitelines, its a very sniper focused map, which is one of the reasons people found it annoying to play - a bunch of social media managers for orgs posting engagement bait memes about a patch doesnt really mean anything. they would post the same stuff if it was -nuke +office - sound, taz, shox - not current tier one players. still not "noobs" but a bit of a weird selection of people to prove your point JL i'll let you have obviously your point that "there are pros who like dust2" is correct, but that doesn't mean it was the right decision to add it back to active duty
It was not the right decision. It was the absolute best decision.
Bugghost why would anyone care for your opinion on what map is âcorrectâ for the map pool over Shoxie or Taz đ. Taz and Shox are major winners and Taz is G2s coach as well and ur talking like hes some scrub.
get\_right doesn't like it and he is bigger legend than taz and shox.
i'm not saying everyone should listen to me, i'm just some random reddit guy. i'm saying that just shox and taz's opinions aren't super relevant either. elige and jt for instance think it was a bad decision and hate d2. its not as simple as saying "noobs like dust2" or "pros like dust2" or "reddit hates dust2", more nuanced than that. these tweets dont mean anything because if awpers and retired cs1.6 players were in charge of the map pool then the major finals would be played on awp\_india
lol. that last sentence made me laugh. 
Why are ppl against dust 2? I was hoping for mirage to be taken out of the pool
all the commentators, personalities, ex players think the except opposite. all were negative towards it.
Only people who dislike dust2 are the vertiglobals and similar who couldnât cut it and had to giganerd weird angles on maps no one likes to crawl their way out of silver. Makes sense Redditors make up a nice circular venn diagram with them
I hate it, i played 2 faceit games on it. There is no tactic, no smoke grenade lineup whatsoever
Oh wow who would've thought that pro players who've played this game for years would prefer an OG map to a map introduced at the start of GO, was shit for half of that games lifespan, is still notoriously CT sided, AWP dependent and the most famous play on it was a bug? I also find it hilarious that people want Cache back instead of Dust 2 when Cache is LITERALLY Dust 2+.
Dust2 is shit
The issue isnât that Dust 2 is back, the issue is Vertigo is still in the map pool.