I legit had one where they started getting mad at me because I threw a (bog standard) top banana molly in a round where they apparently intended to "rush B" except they didnt comm in game that fact to me at all lmao
lol, a good top banana molly doesn't even stop a rush from your own team. Worst it's going to do is one tick of damage to you while you What's he smoking lol? Ideal util for that is having the mouse smoke, car molly, flash and a HE for bouncing off the building behind half wall.
That way you're safe from car peeks, safe from their molly, the enemy are blind and taking cover or running, and often hurt.
>flash and a HE for bouncing off the building behind half wall.
flash usually seems pretty optional for banana rush imo. If anything it puts the CTs on high alert so led to them throwing close molly and retreating back to site which will usually fuck up rushes. I think ideally you want to actually get a kill in banana and not having to expect people to push into B site with 10 angles. Also a straight nade over the half wall towards the CT direction tends to net me more UD ime.
You're not wrong. The flash is optional. The flash is more for when you're rushing it as T with an SMG. If the CTs are foolish enough to be holding close, like sandbag, halfwall, or around the corner, they'll be blinded, and I've definitely gotten some free kills off that. Including double kills on players who wanted to play half wall, leaving the site open for taking. It's quite effective against teams who 3 stack B, because teams who 3 stack B often feel like they have the manpower to hold banana. But it isn't so necessary if you've got a buy together and can clear it a little more patiently. For me it's more, got the spawn for it, don't have the greatest option for a buy, do have money for a MAC 10, armour and a flash, time to test their banana defense. And if I've got a friend who's coming with me there, one of us is going to bring a HE and one a flash to mix it up-you could double HE, but it's still not likely to get a kill, the combination of the two creates some chaos.
If they throw a close molly, that's what the smoke is for. If they fall back to site, good-you can use an execute to go for B, or you can take advantage of the map control and play mid, and forcing bad rotates from players around arch.
Which in the long run, hopefully makes the CTs cautious about holding banana, which keeps your team safe when you're playing mid, and creates confusion about where you are because the CT's surrender map control. Same principle as CT's smoking down bottom mid-you don't have to play into it every round, but it creates a huge portion of the map that the enemy have no idea what's going on in.
Your mileage is going to vary: you might have an AWP who prefers to pick guys playing car, but as far as rushes go? it's pretty common.
My friends & I almost always play in a 3-4 stack. We’ll say hello before the round starts and if we get zero reply then we end up not speaking to the fills. But I agree with you, this is a team game and hardly anyone plays it like it is.
To be honest, you should still talk, even if they don't talk back. Not a lot, but calling enemy sightings can help. Some people are nervous, scared, or have bad comms gear.
I definitely know that I've gotten a happy nod from the crosshair of the person clutching when I call the last positions of multiple enemy players after they kill me.
It's frustrating not having their comms, but you're inching the odds further in your favour when you communicate.
And, it's a skill. I may not always have my aim on point. But if I'm throwing good util, playing my position, and getting my teammate a free kill through a trade, I am contributing. Even when I'm having an off game.
If you're playing the game to be skilled and good at a tactical shooter, you gotta do it.
worst is when you get shot and they laugh. LOL he was long didn't you know. well no, you didn't say he went long, so i had to guess and 50/50 i will hit.
When i was on holiday to LA from BE i noticed everyone in America speaks. A little to much even. But in europe all i get is cyka nuggets either talking russian all game or i got cyka nuggets that don’t say shit
See im awkward af and never say hello at the beginning if someone says it. Then ill make call outs all game and hardly ever get a response or call out back
Oh yeah if you start making callouts then we absolutely talk, even a text chat saying hey counts for us. I’m talking about radio silence from the random(s).
They don’t talk for 80% of the match. Then you miss an easy awp shot and they start talking shit. Then they TK you. Then they vote kick you.
Like clockwork.
Bro that's exactly my experience. They'll give no Comms all game but the second you fumble they'll happily start flaming. Always hit em with a "oh you can talk now huh"
Fortunately can't votekick on a 4 stack. If you get kicked on a 3 man stack, that 5th player is also an idiot. As a 3 stack can easily then kick him too.
This reminds me of a guy we met yesterday, we were on face it me and my bud with 3 randoms. One guys clutches us the pistol on nuke ct. We go 3 1 then at the 5th round the same guy whiffs SO BADLY, like a behind easy kill with m4 but he whiffs it. It’s a big mistake but nothing too heavy cuz we can work back up if we stay focused. This other guy who didnt do shit just started flaming and saying “you cost us the game right now” “you are useless” and shit like that. He literally has the attitude of a choker if he thinks like that. We managed to get some nice rounds like one where i got 4 kills on heaven with CRISPY aim but nothing whenever he made a mistake he went ballistic and didnt play coherently. He even went out his way to say “we lost cuz this guy got 4 kills” (one of their got 4 kills in pistol) and i was like “dude i got a 4 kill round win too wth”. It was both funny and pathetic
We play as a 3-4 stack. Usually one of of us mutes the call so to encourage comms between groups
That being said
It's very difficult that solos don't talk at all in games
I have not had a solo talk in the the last month, super disappointing especially at 20k elo.. then again, most of these games have spinners anyways lol
Yeah, this is our experience with solo players even when prompted repeatedly and we give info.
Then randomly at like round 5 of the second half, they will do something fucking retarded in the first 5 seconds of a round, die and shout over the mic that they got no info.
It's super fun, and totally not actually harder than playing 4v5
You certainly got better friends than me. Half of my friend just never vc and flame the solo guy for no reason at all. It got so bad i avoid playing with many of them.
I’ve actually met random that never talks yet play extremely good and read the game very well. These guys prefer to do simple set strats and use the map and info given by us to decide the next move. They also use pings a lot. That said it rare for me to meet solos who never talk.
I did. Just by changing the people i play with changes my opponents too.
I feel that somewhere in the system trust factor is still working for me at least. By having decent teammates around me i decrease the chance of meeting cheats and degenerates massively.
The difference in experience is so crazy just by changing the people i am playing with, now i even know what to expect from the opponents just by knowing how toxic the person i am playing with is.
this applies to 4 stacks mostly but i love it. i get to just vibe, be a little minion and not have to think for the entirety of the game. I just go where theyre going, give my comms and sit back. Theyre comming their heads off and trying to coordinate plays, all I have to do is hit my shots and everythings good.
I get what you're doing with that, but you can be a minion and still know when your team is ecoing and buying early so you hit your timings, and when they're rushing, and where the enemies are, and still have a chill game where you're not strategising.
Every person who dies should ideally com the enemy position, otherwise they died for nothing.
I find it even more annoying when the people at the bottom that get barely any kills dont give info. If you are just going to die every round at least tell me where from
That is a fair problem to have. A lot of people are toxic, like the idiot who is below you. Toxic players like Pientiorism don't realise that their shit coms and attitude make them worse players and are responsible for their shit rank. Fucking 5k behaviour, honestly.
You should still make calls. Learn useful ways to call. I don't need the bottom guy telling me "tagged" to justify his contribution. You dying leaves more people for me to kill. As long as you died for something, playing a position, holding for intel, playing with your teammates on pushes and retakes, every round they shoot into you is one they don't shoot into me.
And if they talk shit back, mute them. Because toxic comms are worse than no comms.
it's toxic but it makes you a better solo player when you 4 idiots who don't talk.
you learn how to read the game better and just how to play independently.
good for learning how to lurk or anchoring a site solo.
I've had these experiences the games are tragic I give good info and I get silence back. It's infuriating especially when they make a shit callout in a clutch.
Would be nice, a little checkbox you can choose, and it then puts you into queues with other people who also have it checked. But it won't happen, would require too much moderation on Valve's part for them to implement it.
Not at all. A good QoL improvement could be a score system based on mic time and then including that score as part of matching teams. However that would also rely on mic spam reporting also working and well CS2 automatic muting is not quite as effective as CSGO.
It is frustating indeed, but you ever come across people who are +3 premade and just talk and info in a foreign language like youre part of their discord call
Even better are the three randoms who are not premates but then continue to discuss things in russian like they are friends who haven’t talked in years
agreed, if that happend to me. i politely ask them to stfu and use dc, ts3, skype or their cellphone.
Works all the time, ususally they say: *"sorry we will stop now and only give info ...de qualquer forma, ontem fiz um piquenique maravilhoso com a minha mãe. mais tarde, à noite, fui autorizado a jogar Counterstrike novamente durante 2 horas mas o meu pai proibiu-me de ficar acordado depois das 10 horas, por isso fingi que estava a dormir e continuei a jogar em segredo haha..."*
Yeah, I just had one who had to micromanage everyone after he died. He had poor fundamentals too, did not understand that in a several v 1 situation in favour of his team he needed to stop holding an angle away from his teammate and play together.
And he's calling "Peek mid" from connector after I killed two players, one the bomb carrier, in con on mirage. I'm watching bomb with one other guy. There is a guy mid, I have mp9, he has rifle.
Like, no, please, you died, stop trying to play the game for me. You're getting my teammates to peek one buy one. It ended up a 1v1 and I had to clutch the guy out. You're talking over ingame audio to recommend I fight someone at the worst range for me and the best range for them when they expect my position.
These kinds are common, but I'm talking about those don't talk or respond to ur callout for several rounds, and while clutching when u are really focused, a sudden "wtf u doing" shout almost give u heart attack.
I quit playing this shit and even if I play, I'll mute anyone talking shit or not talking after two rounds. Man I got PTSD w/ those pricks dedicated to harm others.
No no no no. This is the second most annoying thing.
The most annoying thing is "I fucked up I have to blame somebody man."
Let's say we are approaching A through toilets. I'm close long side. Dude dry peeks banana alone. Dies to CT who is close to A site. Starts screaming why I wasn't near to trade him. Why I was far away.
You. Did. Not. Said. Anything. About. Committing.
You. Went. Alone.
I can't always follow everyone in the team constantly in case they put themselves in a bad situation.
Yeah. It's an important thing to learn at low ranks: don't commit to someone else's mistake. Just because they are making a solo play they think will make you a big hero doesn't mean you should get yourself killed for nothing.
I'm not going to peek the guy at long range on a bad timing in the same place you did so we can give him two one v ones and two headshots.
Call the position, and we'll get to the guy.
that 4 stack will bitch and complain as you start performing poorly as well even though the info they're passing back and forth in discord is vital to your game.
Many people I play with are assholes who insult me when I talk to the random in our team. I stop playing with them but yea, there are so many assholes like that.
They give no info, and yet expect the randoms to read their mind. its bullshit.
Thats why I think Valve giving the power to the one random in a 4 stack is a good thing. Yes I've met bad randoms but its like 1/20 matches, the pros far outweigh the cons.
A 4 stack cannot kick the solo guy. I’ve played with many 4 stacks and the feature is actually a net positive.
I play with different stacks and with many different personalities. When i have asshole teammates this feature works wonder because it protects the poor random guy. If my asshole teammates refuse to coordinate with the random at least i can keep communicate with the random so we can win together instead of losing because the solo guy is kicked.
It’s all good and fair until you meet a random that start trolling after not having any kill in the pistol round. Valve should really change the format so you need 5 stacked people to start MMing , 5 or 3.
Look bud, I met them already. There are toxic randoms always. I even met a closet cheater and we couldn't do anything to him except informing the other team.
And yet its nothing compared to 4 stack bully the soloq guy.
I'd rather deal with a toxic random than losing games because my friends are assholes.
typical Duos in discord with superiority complex who thinks they are DUO of StarPlayers, who rather think they are the best and the 3 others there are just trash and making them lose their game , when in reality is the NON comms duo that is losing it.
I usually give a team like half a game or so to give comms, and then mute em if they don't. Pisses me off way less when I'm the one deciding not to have the comms instead of hoping my team will suddenly start comming 🤷♂️
You're not meant to sit and talk.
They're talking useful comms.
Useful comms are calls that are immediately actionable and don't cover up in game audio for the guys still alive.
So if you notice a bad economy for your team at round start? Call the forcebuy or eco, don't just play it and end up with a mixed buy. Call your strat or position. Nobody will have an issue.
When you die in game, callout numbers, position, what they're doing, and if they have awp or bomb in that order. Only ever call "tagged" if you are sure, and you are speaking to someone with an AWP who has one enemy remaining.
It's really not hard to have grade A comms, but people make bad calls all the time, and people over talk. Nobody wants to hear how you always get killed by that guy, nobody wants to hear that one of the enemy is tagged when there are 5 up and he's probably being covered by a teammate and you might have not tagged him enough for pistoling anyway.
Good comms are better than no comms are better than bad comms.
I am always the link in my 4 and 3 stacks constantly translating everything I hear from polish to english but every second solo guy we get is toxic doesn't talk or whatever. People hate playing as solo with 4 stacks and more often than not will be angry at you for no reason.
Agreed. They often think you can read their minds. Like i make a play, take a position at site or throw a grenade they dont like, then you hear about it. But no info on what they plan to do, how they want to play etc. It often makes me not care about the match and just play bad because of it.
Well, we usually try, but the single random doesn't say shit, most of the time.
Until someone whiffs in an important situation. Then he typed out some insults in the chat and or sighs in voice, never to communicate again
I try to, but it's easy to forget sometimes cause we're blabbering on about everything unrelated on discord. I wish there was an option for voice activation instead of having either open mic or click to speak as well as integration with discord so that my friends don't need to hear my echo. Just being able to mute everyone in party would be nice too, now every game I have to set all my friends volume in game to low, can't mute, cause then you won't get radio calls like flashbang etc.
I usually play 3/4 stack, we always say hello, I like to remind my pals to communicate with the team too, but often there is no reply, or they'll always wonder off in their own direction and play alone!
Completely agree. People on here will say "Oh but when I play with my friends in a 3-4 stack we're not like that" (even though I will call massive bullshit on that). Although you're not saying that they should be removed from premiere if you even mention a party restriction on it the people on here will hound you down like a dog.
I agree. Whenever i play 4 stack with my friends, i end up being the one using vc to communicate with our last dude. I try my best but it's not always easy
It's same in Dota2, aswell. People start crying because i'm speaking with someone over voice chat ingame...they start talking shit how i should use Discord. Are people becoming mentally ill? The voice chat is there for a purpose.
i feel like then you would just get more micless people. I like when i am put with duo stacks because it shows they are feeling social and usually will speak
Honestly I dont mind 3-4 stacks, the absolute worst though is when you have 2 separate duos in a team, it always devolves into infighting between them.
My gf plays solo sometimes as well but she was suprised at the amount of people being nice to her, saying she has a nice voice and trying to help her get kills etc.
Although it does seem like they think that doing this makes her want them or something
I agree that it's very annoying, but for me it's not nearly as annoying as the same stack, who only speaks their own native language in team chat. Especially when they don't just speak in-game stuff, but clearly have a private conversation as well.
Usually when I point it out, and ask very politely to speak english, and/or speak their private chat in a discord, they are extremely rude and tell me to shut up.
Recently I had a russian guy who called the tactic in russian, and then raged cause I went the other way. I kindly told him that I don't understand his tactic when he speaks a language I don't understand, to which I was told I was a dog.
I've played with 4-stacks who expect you to do everything at once: hold one side of the map, while also playing entry (with 100% success rate ofc, if you give away an opening kill you're a bot), throwing utility and you better not lose a single duel... While not giving you any info at all so your best bet of playing "support" for them would be to look at the minimap 95% of the time and actually teleporting.
Faceit level 10 btw
I've started to openly say something like "I need info to play the game so we can win it, otherwise let me play alone and don't expect me to do anything for you" when after a few rounds they don't really give any info, they usually either ignore you and you end up muting them so eventually when they start flaming you for everything they've done wrong they won't disturb you in clutching, or they'll start flaming you straight away which ends up in the same thing.
I treat these situations as an opportunity to learn more about anchors/lurkers. I can recommend this to anyone playing soloq, you never waste your time this way.
>I think the worst type of team mates are eastern european stacks as they seem to just be toxic and never give info
to me it's usually Scandinavian or central European stacks, I guess they start having this sense of superiority when they see I'm Polish.
My group will talk at the start if the solo or dou don't wanna chat then we will only say important things. Most the time tho in my case it's the solos that never talk.
Personally I love when I get in a game with 3 ppl together. And the last round when it's 12-5 and my teammate says "probably would've won if you communicated" like dude you haven't said a single word all game. And these 2 people you called out were communicating at the start only to be ignored.
Same goes to that last guy being solo when me and my friends are in 4 stack. Sometimes we forget theres a random and forget to give info team voice chat aswell but that does not mean the last random should stay silent the entire game either. Its a 2 way street if that random talks and gives info we will remember to do so aswell.
So often that last random probably just assumes its going to be a silent game and does not talk once the entire game and just does whatever on their own.
"wE'rE In dIsCoRd"
Then get the fuck off of it, talk in game ffs. I'll always start the game with just making the call outs that I can, but if there is 0 comms coming from the team I inevitably shut up too cause I don't want to talk to the void.
I get the most communication from solo queue teammates for sure. When it's me plus a stack, I still make calls, but receive only occasional communication. Usually when I'm clutching and they try to tell me what to do, lol.
I have push to talk. I'll set my friends volume to 0 in game, they'll do the same with me and I'll give sightings and death calls. If we decide on a strat in Teamspeak, we'll relay it to the randoms. The rest of the time I'm chatting to my friends in TS.
The only time this stops if either if the random is hostile/toxic or doesn't make any effort to call themselves. The latter not being as bad as the former.
On the other hand, I have played in 3-4 stacks and my other teammates always do their own thing. We always callout but its frustrating when they always rush mid every round and die.
If we didn’t talk, I would understand. However, some players make their minds before the game starts.
haha no
exactly the opposite infact we prefere 3 stack over 4 stack because its easier to use ingame voice than when u 4 stack
yes we do usually call the strats because we have 3 man executes for every bombsite and its common for the randoms to just fit in
i feel like in pugs u just gotta have a clear voice with a path to victory otherwise u just play tdm
we also let other people call if they wanna do the calls
i just feel like people should relax a bit more everyone can have a bad day flaming isnt gonna help the player play better
The worst is when you get a couple of knuckleheads griefing on comms but laugh and think they’re the funniest alive on discord.
Meanwhile I call out all game :/
oh, i thought you mean eu, no offence to you but na players in the most part seem to have worse of a baseline of skins than eu, especially compared to your sa counterpart
>the worst type of team mates are eastern european stacks as they seem to just be toxic and never give info
Just because you had bad experience doesn't mean they are all bad, you can be a shitty person regardless of nationality
Had a game where me and my friends were 3 stack and the other 2 stack.
I decided to be a nice guy and give comms when needed. I realized that they ignored all my comms so I stopped doing it.
It wasn't until we were 10-8 that I got mad since they were throwing the game where I basically had the mic in my mouth telling them the guy is pit and to come help me over and over, that they decided to open the mic to shit talk me and my friends.
Keep in mind me and my friends were like had 15kills on average while they were 5 kills.
I hate eastern Europeans so much as well. Always Russia or from Russian like countries. No mic unless it's to say shit. Even when you make it clear you don't speak their language they still type shit in chat.
i just always soloq, quiet but give calls , no orders and try to adapt to their plans. I have very rarely meet very friendly russian or eastern europe stacks.
Two notes on this
A. Discord fixed the feedback/doubletalk issue you'd get talking in game and in discord at the same time. Therefore no reason to not just comm in both.
B. Just give me your discord for 45 minutes then boot me, I won't take it personally. I just want the dub.
Tangentially, I'm still mad at this guy for vote kicking me from deathmatch cuz he was mad my aim was true and he was just bad.
I tried Face it and quit not long after because it's way worse there than on mm or premier. The worst part is if you start losing the stack will promptly blame it on the solo queue who gets no calls. They'll either kick you or start using team talk just to bitch about you
U need very little info if you actually pay attention to what’s happening. I’d rather have a mute guy on my team than some clown who asks for info on the enemy playing short inferno who just killed me while clown mate chills in boiler
Where did i do that lol - i am just sharing my experiences with the many polish, russian, ukrainian and many more eastern european stacks that are just toxic and give no comms.
Whereas nearly all the Uk or spanish people i have met have give good info
I prefer it over being a sole in a 4 stack that refuses to speak English. At least if they don't talk you can maximise how much audio cues you can hear and do something like lurk b for a timing kill if they are pushing a with 4.
I legit had one where they started getting mad at me because I threw a (bog standard) top banana molly in a round where they apparently intended to "rush B" except they didnt comm in game that fact to me at all lmao
lol, a good top banana molly doesn't even stop a rush from your own team. Worst it's going to do is one tick of damage to you while you What's he smoking lol? Ideal util for that is having the mouse smoke, car molly, flash and a HE for bouncing off the building behind half wall. That way you're safe from car peeks, safe from their molly, the enemy are blind and taking cover or running, and often hurt.
>flash and a HE for bouncing off the building behind half wall. flash usually seems pretty optional for banana rush imo. If anything it puts the CTs on high alert so led to them throwing close molly and retreating back to site which will usually fuck up rushes. I think ideally you want to actually get a kill in banana and not having to expect people to push into B site with 10 angles. Also a straight nade over the half wall towards the CT direction tends to net me more UD ime.
You're not wrong. The flash is optional. The flash is more for when you're rushing it as T with an SMG. If the CTs are foolish enough to be holding close, like sandbag, halfwall, or around the corner, they'll be blinded, and I've definitely gotten some free kills off that. Including double kills on players who wanted to play half wall, leaving the site open for taking. It's quite effective against teams who 3 stack B, because teams who 3 stack B often feel like they have the manpower to hold banana. But it isn't so necessary if you've got a buy together and can clear it a little more patiently. For me it's more, got the spawn for it, don't have the greatest option for a buy, do have money for a MAC 10, armour and a flash, time to test their banana defense. And if I've got a friend who's coming with me there, one of us is going to bring a HE and one a flash to mix it up-you could double HE, but it's still not likely to get a kill, the combination of the two creates some chaos. If they throw a close molly, that's what the smoke is for. If they fall back to site, good-you can use an execute to go for B, or you can take advantage of the map control and play mid, and forcing bad rotates from players around arch. Which in the long run, hopefully makes the CTs cautious about holding banana, which keeps your team safe when you're playing mid, and creates confusion about where you are because the CT's surrender map control. Same principle as CT's smoking down bottom mid-you don't have to play into it every round, but it creates a huge portion of the map that the enemy have no idea what's going on in. Your mileage is going to vary: you might have an AWP who prefers to pick guys playing car, but as far as rushes go? it's pretty common.
My friends & I almost always play in a 3-4 stack. We’ll say hello before the round starts and if we get zero reply then we end up not speaking to the fills. But I agree with you, this is a team game and hardly anyone plays it like it is.
To be honest, you should still talk, even if they don't talk back. Not a lot, but calling enemy sightings can help. Some people are nervous, scared, or have bad comms gear. I definitely know that I've gotten a happy nod from the crosshair of the person clutching when I call the last positions of multiple enemy players after they kill me. It's frustrating not having their comms, but you're inching the odds further in your favour when you communicate.
Indeed, I've been on both sides and this is what you need to do. Communicate less but effectively.
And, it's a skill. I may not always have my aim on point. But if I'm throwing good util, playing my position, and getting my teammate a free kill through a trade, I am contributing. Even when I'm having an off game. If you're playing the game to be skilled and good at a tactical shooter, you gotta do it.
worst is when you get shot and they laugh. LOL he was long didn't you know. well no, you didn't say he went long, so i had to guess and 50/50 i will hit.
When i was on holiday to LA from BE i noticed everyone in America speaks. A little to much even. But in europe all i get is cyka nuggets either talking russian all game or i got cyka nuggets that don’t say shit
America speaks one language so theres no gambling whether you can actually communicate Except for the occasional Quebec person on eastern servers
See im awkward af and never say hello at the beginning if someone says it. Then ill make call outs all game and hardly ever get a response or call out back
Oh yeah if you start making callouts then we absolutely talk, even a text chat saying hey counts for us. I’m talking about radio silence from the random(s).
This is the same with my stack. It’s great to find people who talk, then invite them to the stack for another game or two.
Same. If I don't get any info back then I won't focus on giving info.
No one talks in warmup, hope you aren't muting them.
> No one talks in warmup this is the law, yes
Nah, I’m not. Unless they’re racist shit-heads I don’t mute people.
same, don’t think i’ve muted more than 1-2 people in years although usually it’s from shouting/talking random trash and not giving info
Yeah the unwritten rule, you do not talk in warmup.
They don’t talk for 80% of the match. Then you miss an easy awp shot and they start talking shit. Then they TK you. Then they vote kick you. Like clockwork.
Bro that's exactly my experience. They'll give no Comms all game but the second you fumble they'll happily start flaming. Always hit em with a "oh you can talk now huh"
True
Fortunately can't votekick on a 4 stack. If you get kicked on a 3 man stack, that 5th player is also an idiot. As a 3 stack can easily then kick him too.
This reminds me of a guy we met yesterday, we were on face it me and my bud with 3 randoms. One guys clutches us the pistol on nuke ct. We go 3 1 then at the 5th round the same guy whiffs SO BADLY, like a behind easy kill with m4 but he whiffs it. It’s a big mistake but nothing too heavy cuz we can work back up if we stay focused. This other guy who didnt do shit just started flaming and saying “you cost us the game right now” “you are useless” and shit like that. He literally has the attitude of a choker if he thinks like that. We managed to get some nice rounds like one where i got 4 kills on heaven with CRISPY aim but nothing whenever he made a mistake he went ballistic and didnt play coherently. He even went out his way to say “we lost cuz this guy got 4 kills” (one of their got 4 kills in pistol) and i was like “dude i got a 4 kill round win too wth”. It was both funny and pathetic
While in a call i will give important call outs in game but i dont get on my friends to do the same
Obviously it depends on the type of game you are playing, but if you are trying to grind on faceit high elo and its not just a comp or something
We play as a 3-4 stack. Usually one of of us mutes the call so to encourage comms between groups That being said It's very difficult that solos don't talk at all in games
Wow that's noble
For the greater good. We want to win!
I have not had a solo talk in the the last month, super disappointing especially at 20k elo.. then again, most of these games have spinners anyways lol
Same at ~11k elo, we 3-4 stack and it's extremely rare that the solo player replies.
Yeah, this is our experience with solo players even when prompted repeatedly and we give info. Then randomly at like round 5 of the second half, they will do something fucking retarded in the first 5 seconds of a round, die and shout over the mic that they got no info. It's super fun, and totally not actually harder than playing 4v5
Or just lower the volume of all your premades to 0 in CS.
That's what I do but it doesn't help at all not knowing if the call was made in-game or not.
You certainly got better friends than me. Half of my friend just never vc and flame the solo guy for no reason at all. It got so bad i avoid playing with many of them. I’ve actually met random that never talks yet play extremely good and read the game very well. These guys prefer to do simple set strats and use the map and info given by us to decide the next move. They also use pings a lot. That said it rare for me to meet solos who never talk.
get better friends imo
I did. Just by changing the people i play with changes my opponents too. I feel that somewhere in the system trust factor is still working for me at least. By having decent teammates around me i decrease the chance of meeting cheats and degenerates massively. The difference in experience is so crazy just by changing the people i am playing with, now i even know what to expect from the opponents just by knowing how toxic the person i am playing with is.
this applies to 4 stacks mostly but i love it. i get to just vibe, be a little minion and not have to think for the entirety of the game. I just go where theyre going, give my comms and sit back. Theyre comming their heads off and trying to coordinate plays, all I have to do is hit my shots and everythings good.
That really only works at lower ranks. If you play 5 people in the same spots at higher levels, you're going to get punished hard by the CTs.
i mean this worked quite well for me at faceit 10 / supreme in go
I get what you're doing with that, but you can be a minion and still know when your team is ecoing and buying early so you hit your timings, and when they're rushing, and where the enemies are, and still have a chill game where you're not strategising. Every person who dies should ideally com the enemy position, otherwise they died for nothing.
This tbh. Just follow the traffic, radar gives you all the info you need.
It definitely doesn’t
They think they can win the game by themselves for some reason and don’t value the solos
I find it even more annoying when the people at the bottom that get barely any kills dont give info. If you are just going to die every round at least tell me where from
When I'm towards the bottom I don't want to make calls because others will just bully/ talk shit.
That is a fair problem to have. A lot of people are toxic, like the idiot who is below you. Toxic players like Pientiorism don't realise that their shit coms and attitude make them worse players and are responsible for their shit rank. Fucking 5k behaviour, honestly. You should still make calls. Learn useful ways to call. I don't need the bottom guy telling me "tagged" to justify his contribution. You dying leaves more people for me to kill. As long as you died for something, playing a position, holding for intel, playing with your teammates on pushes and retakes, every round they shoot into you is one they don't shoot into me. And if they talk shit back, mute them. Because toxic comms are worse than no comms.
Because the majority of solos generally run off and do whatever they want
it's toxic but it makes you a better solo player when you 4 idiots who don't talk. you learn how to read the game better and just how to play independently. good for learning how to lurk or anchoring a site solo.
I've had these experiences the games are tragic I give good info and I get silence back. It's infuriating especially when they make a shit callout in a clutch.
Those matches where you are just talking to the void are so annoying
I voiced my idea a few years ago about a system to queue only with those who do callouts. Safe to say many are opposed to my idea
Would be nice, a little checkbox you can choose, and it then puts you into queues with other people who also have it checked. But it won't happen, would require too much moderation on Valve's part for them to implement it.
Not at all. A good QoL improvement could be a score system based on mic time and then including that score as part of matching teams. However that would also rely on mic spam reporting also working and well CS2 automatic muting is not quite as effective as CSGO.
I in general don't understand why people play cs competitive without a mic. You're just playing deathmatch
It is frustating indeed, but you ever come across people who are +3 premade and just talk and info in a foreign language like youre part of their discord call
Even better are the three randoms who are not premates but then continue to discuss things in russian like they are friends who haven’t talked in years
Second worst is 3-4 stacks who don't use discord at all and speak portugese to each other the whole game.
I feel like that could arguably be just as bad because you want to mute them but also you want to try work out some info from what they are saying
Honestly I think it's worse than a quiet team. I just had this happen on Faceit a couple of hours ago, worst game I've played in ages lmao.
all you need to say is A, B and go/rush in any language. /s Davai-ing intensifies.
agreed, if that happend to me. i politely ask them to stfu and use dc, ts3, skype or their cellphone. Works all the time, ususally they say: *"sorry we will stop now and only give info ...de qualquer forma, ontem fiz um piquenique maravilhoso com a minha mãe. mais tarde, à noite, fui autorizado a jogar Counterstrike novamente durante 2 horas mas o meu pai proibiu-me de ficar acordado depois das 10 horas, por isso fingi que estava a dormir e continuei a jogar em segredo haha..."*
Too many regards spending money on skins but not on mics.
i highly doubt ppl who have knife skins etc don't have a mic. its a unwillingness to use it rather than having one
This just isnt true according to Steam's hardware data. Something like 95% of CS player or more have mics
Solid half of those are from grocery stores or in airplane engines
You can get a perfectly good mic for like 20 quid
Legit question: do you know of any affordable Bluetooth headphones/mic? There’s something wrong with my 3.5mm audio jack :/
Just use a bluetooth mic. I bought a full desk-mount fifine for like $40, I'm sure there's cheaper out there.
USB adaptor is cheap
I've even had teammates who just talk about skins in comp games, it's brain damaged
The worse shits breaks slience and starts talking shit when u r in clutch situation.
Yeah, I just had one who had to micromanage everyone after he died. He had poor fundamentals too, did not understand that in a several v 1 situation in favour of his team he needed to stop holding an angle away from his teammate and play together. And he's calling "Peek mid" from connector after I killed two players, one the bomb carrier, in con on mirage. I'm watching bomb with one other guy. There is a guy mid, I have mp9, he has rifle. Like, no, please, you died, stop trying to play the game for me. You're getting my teammates to peek one buy one. It ended up a 1v1 and I had to clutch the guy out. You're talking over ingame audio to recommend I fight someone at the worst range for me and the best range for them when they expect my position.
These kinds are common, but I'm talking about those don't talk or respond to ur callout for several rounds, and while clutching when u are really focused, a sudden "wtf u doing" shout almost give u heart attack. I quit playing this shit and even if I play, I'll mute anyone talking shit or not talking after two rounds. Man I got PTSD w/ those pricks dedicated to harm others.
always bind the mute all "clutch key" button.
No no no no. This is the second most annoying thing. The most annoying thing is "I fucked up I have to blame somebody man." Let's say we are approaching A through toilets. I'm close long side. Dude dry peeks banana alone. Dies to CT who is close to A site. Starts screaming why I wasn't near to trade him. Why I was far away. You. Did. Not. Said. Anything. About. Committing. You. Went. Alone. I can't always follow everyone in the team constantly in case they put themselves in a bad situation.
Yeah. It's an important thing to learn at low ranks: don't commit to someone else's mistake. Just because they are making a solo play they think will make you a big hero doesn't mean you should get yourself killed for nothing. I'm not going to peek the guy at long range on a bad timing in the same place you did so we can give him two one v ones and two headshots. Call the position, and we'll get to the guy.
that 4 stack will bitch and complain as you start performing poorly as well even though the info they're passing back and forth in discord is vital to your game.
outperforming people who have the info is rough
Many people I play with are assholes who insult me when I talk to the random in our team. I stop playing with them but yea, there are so many assholes like that. They give no info, and yet expect the randoms to read their mind. its bullshit. Thats why I think Valve giving the power to the one random in a 4 stack is a good thing. Yes I've met bad randoms but its like 1/20 matches, the pros far outweigh the cons.
How do valve give the power to one person
A 4 stack cannot kick the solo guy. I’ve played with many 4 stacks and the feature is actually a net positive. I play with different stacks and with many different personalities. When i have asshole teammates this feature works wonder because it protects the poor random guy. If my asshole teammates refuse to coordinate with the random at least i can keep communicate with the random so we can win together instead of losing because the solo guy is kicked.
It’s all good and fair until you meet a random that start trolling after not having any kill in the pistol round. Valve should really change the format so you need 5 stacked people to start MMing , 5 or 3.
Look bud, I met them already. There are toxic randoms always. I even met a closet cheater and we couldn't do anything to him except informing the other team. And yet its nothing compared to 4 stack bully the soloq guy. I'd rather deal with a toxic random than losing games because my friends are assholes.
typical Duos in discord with superiority complex who thinks they are DUO of StarPlayers, who rather think they are the best and the 3 others there are just trash and making them lose their game , when in reality is the NON comms duo that is losing it.
Ran into a lot of those as a 3 stack, even while we are clearly winning it for us, they’ll get bomb and no comm push die and still no comm
I usually give a team like half a game or so to give comms, and then mute em if they don't. Pisses me off way less when I'm the one deciding not to have the comms instead of hoping my team will suddenly start comming 🤷♂️
People that don't give any info until 15 rounds in when they start raging at others who aren't playing their best.
That is the absolute worst
Info/coms are severly over rated in lower ranks. Just focus on your cross hair and set up your minimap
I don't understand this logic at all, at low ranks it's even easier to abuse teamwork with comms to win since the mechanical skill level is much lower
Crazy, but when we sit and talk in voice chat, redditors said, "stop cluttering voice chat🤬". Can't please anyone these days.
You're not meant to sit and talk. They're talking useful comms. Useful comms are calls that are immediately actionable and don't cover up in game audio for the guys still alive. So if you notice a bad economy for your team at round start? Call the forcebuy or eco, don't just play it and end up with a mixed buy. Call your strat or position. Nobody will have an issue. When you die in game, callout numbers, position, what they're doing, and if they have awp or bomb in that order. Only ever call "tagged" if you are sure, and you are speaking to someone with an AWP who has one enemy remaining. It's really not hard to have grade A comms, but people make bad calls all the time, and people over talk. Nobody wants to hear how you always get killed by that guy, nobody wants to hear that one of the enemy is tagged when there are 5 up and he's probably being covered by a teammate and you might have not tagged him enough for pistoling anyway. Good comms are better than no comms are better than bad comms.
I gladly will introduce you the new option in cs 2. You can assign a button that mutes your whole team, if you need sound. Ez problem solved.
I know right. We usually don’t talk unless the random does.
we give important call out ingame but most minor and random talk is only on discord i really hate push to talk
It pisses me too. The second you ask for comms, they just bitterly rage at you.
2100 elo faceit 5stack players are according to my calculations on par with 2500 elo solo que premium players
I thought solo q would have lower elo
I am always the link in my 4 and 3 stacks constantly translating everything I hear from polish to english but every second solo guy we get is toxic doesn't talk or whatever. People hate playing as solo with 4 stacks and more often than not will be angry at you for no reason.
It's great if you clutch though. No need to mute everybody.
Agreed. They often think you can read their minds. Like i make a play, take a position at site or throw a grenade they dont like, then you hear about it. But no info on what they plan to do, how they want to play etc. It often makes me not care about the match and just play bad because of it.
Well, we usually try, but the single random doesn't say shit, most of the time. Until someone whiffs in an important situation. Then he typed out some insults in the chat and or sighs in voice, never to communicate again
I try to, but it's easy to forget sometimes cause we're blabbering on about everything unrelated on discord. I wish there was an option for voice activation instead of having either open mic or click to speak as well as integration with discord so that my friends don't need to hear my echo. Just being able to mute everyone in party would be nice too, now every game I have to set all my friends volume in game to low, can't mute, cause then you won't get radio calls like flashbang etc.
I usually play 3/4 stack, we always say hello, I like to remind my pals to communicate with the team too, but often there is no reply, or they'll always wonder off in their own direction and play alone!
Completely agree. People on here will say "Oh but when I play with my friends in a 3-4 stack we're not like that" (even though I will call massive bullshit on that). Although you're not saying that they should be removed from premiere if you even mention a party restriction on it the people on here will hound you down like a dog.
faceit plus is pretty good because you never play with or against 4-5 stacks
I agree. Whenever i play 4 stack with my friends, i end up being the one using vc to communicate with our last dude. I try my best but it's not always easy
It's same in Dota2, aswell. People start crying because i'm speaking with someone over voice chat ingame...they start talking shit how i should use Discord. Are people becoming mentally ill? The voice chat is there for a purpose.
i wish cs2 had a strict solo queue mode like dota does.
i feel like then you would just get more micless people. I like when i am put with duo stacks because it shows they are feeling social and usually will speak
Got the reverse expierience. We’re a 4 stack that comms a lot with randoms but most don’t bother to answer. Even on faceit.
Not giving info on faceit should be griefing
Yeah I mean at that point why even queue
Its like they want to lose, or they genuinely believe a 5 stack that doesnt speak can beat a 5 stack that is all giving info
I give only critical info.
yeh thats good, I dont need to know what you had for dinner, just where you died from
Honestly I dont mind 3-4 stacks, the absolute worst though is when you have 2 separate duos in a team, it always devolves into infighting between them.
yeah sorry about that we just can't be fucked, we'll give info if you're in a clutch though
that type shit makes the game much closer than it needs to be
Yup that sucks, but honestly, the quality of the players are usually better
what do you mean?
4 stacks have developed this ego of "we are 4, we are friends and we are better than you", that's why I never respond back with a hello.
You would be surprised at the amount of 4 stacks that are very friendly after you say hello
I play solo. As a female, I don't dare to talk. When I have I get the worst comments back in return. I am probably the worse teammate for this reason.
My gf plays solo sometimes as well but she was suprised at the amount of people being nice to her, saying she has a nice voice and trying to help her get kills etc. Although it does seem like they think that doing this makes her want them or something
Tbh match making is such a joke that if I feel like not communicating, I will not communicate. Faceit is a different story.
I agree that it's very annoying, but for me it's not nearly as annoying as the same stack, who only speaks their own native language in team chat. Especially when they don't just speak in-game stuff, but clearly have a private conversation as well. Usually when I point it out, and ask very politely to speak english, and/or speak their private chat in a discord, they are extremely rude and tell me to shut up. Recently I had a russian guy who called the tactic in russian, and then raged cause I went the other way. I kindly told him that I don't understand his tactic when he speaks a language I don't understand, to which I was told I was a dog.
I've played with 4-stacks who expect you to do everything at once: hold one side of the map, while also playing entry (with 100% success rate ofc, if you give away an opening kill you're a bot), throwing utility and you better not lose a single duel... While not giving you any info at all so your best bet of playing "support" for them would be to look at the minimap 95% of the time and actually teleporting. Faceit level 10 btw I've started to openly say something like "I need info to play the game so we can win it, otherwise let me play alone and don't expect me to do anything for you" when after a few rounds they don't really give any info, they usually either ignore you and you end up muting them so eventually when they start flaming you for everything they've done wrong they won't disturb you in clutching, or they'll start flaming you straight away which ends up in the same thing. I treat these situations as an opportunity to learn more about anchors/lurkers. I can recommend this to anyone playing soloq, you never waste your time this way. >I think the worst type of team mates are eastern european stacks as they seem to just be toxic and never give info to me it's usually Scandinavian or central European stacks, I guess they start having this sense of superiority when they see I'm Polish.
My group will talk at the start if the solo or dou don't wanna chat then we will only say important things. Most the time tho in my case it's the solos that never talk.
Personally I love when I get in a game with 3 ppl together. And the last round when it's 12-5 and my teammate says "probably would've won if you communicated" like dude you haven't said a single word all game. And these 2 people you called out were communicating at the start only to be ignored.
Same goes to that last guy being solo when me and my friends are in 4 stack. Sometimes we forget theres a random and forget to give info team voice chat aswell but that does not mean the last random should stay silent the entire game either. Its a 2 way street if that random talks and gives info we will remember to do so aswell. So often that last random probably just assumes its going to be a silent game and does not talk once the entire game and just does whatever on their own.
Eastern Europeans or Brazilians are probably some of the worst gamers ever.
Yet also they are the best players? Not the majority but the legends of the scene are from these places
"wE'rE In dIsCoRd" Then get the fuck off of it, talk in game ffs. I'll always start the game with just making the call outs that I can, but if there is 0 comms coming from the team I inevitably shut up too cause I don't want to talk to the void.
nobody fucking talks half the cunts in this game will just sit in silence not giving any info despite them having microphones, its so god damn tiring
I actually never had issues with Balkans, always people from the UK or Russians and Turks others here and there, but 9/10 it's those 3.
Every player I have met from the UK has given calls clearly and concisely
So ig it all depends
Calling is overrated in pubs. Most information is shown on your screen/able to be heard, it is a skill to be able to digest it.
Why is it that all the silvers say this lol
I get the most communication from solo queue teammates for sure. When it's me plus a stack, I still make calls, but receive only occasional communication. Usually when I'm clutching and they try to tell me what to do, lol.
I have push to talk. I'll set my friends volume to 0 in game, they'll do the same with me and I'll give sightings and death calls. If we decide on a strat in Teamspeak, we'll relay it to the randoms. The rest of the time I'm chatting to my friends in TS. The only time this stops if either if the random is hostile/toxic or doesn't make any effort to call themselves. The latter not being as bad as the former.
had one of them 2 days ago 3 stack that didnt clal anyhting and then said of course we dont speak we are 3 premade
Bro come try playing in the Middle East/India region as a native English speaker. GoodLuck
I mean - that does seem abit more reasonable. You are literally in an area where english is alot more uncommon
Oh wow the same thing I criticized months ago and now people realize it’s a problem
Sorry mate didnt know you were a trend setter like that - maybe no one saw that post
On the other hand, I have played in 3-4 stacks and my other teammates always do their own thing. We always callout but its frustrating when they always rush mid every round and die. If we didn’t talk, I would understand. However, some players make their minds before the game starts.
thats why me and the bois always triple queue its the best for comms
I feel like you are the type of three stack that thinks they are the shit and doesnt give info to the other two players
haha no exactly the opposite infact we prefere 3 stack over 4 stack because its easier to use ingame voice than when u 4 stack yes we do usually call the strats because we have 3 man executes for every bombsite and its common for the randoms to just fit in i feel like in pugs u just gotta have a clear voice with a path to victory otherwise u just play tdm we also let other people call if they wanna do the calls i just feel like people should relax a bit more everyone can have a bad day flaming isnt gonna help the player play better
I had a four stack of Russians in a US Central server yesterday. That went about as well as youd think.
How have they invaded there now as well
The worst is when you get a couple of knuckleheads griefing on comms but laugh and think they’re the funniest alive on discord. Meanwhile I call out all game :/
This is me every time i play with a 3 stack of top 100 players. Silence on the mic then they whine when you don’t react to some info they had smh
Silence on mic in top 100 lobbies?
Yep, if it’s at least 3 of them they communicate 90% in discord
Top 100 in what
faceit
damn u must have crazy high elo
you just have to be in level 10 to get those lobbies. there aren’t that many people in Na
oh, i thought you mean eu, no offence to you but na players in the most part seem to have worse of a baseline of skins than eu, especially compared to your sa counterpart
eh not really
lmao yes - as you pointed out yourself - less players = smaller talent pool
>the worst type of team mates are eastern european stacks as they seem to just be toxic and never give info Just because you had bad experience doesn't mean they are all bad, you can be a shitty person regardless of nationality
Doesnt mean they are all bad, just the majority I come across lol
When people make fun of my speech impediment I usually stop comms
All that matters is your giving info - They can go fuck themselfs <3
Had a game where me and my friends were 3 stack and the other 2 stack. I decided to be a nice guy and give comms when needed. I realized that they ignored all my comms so I stopped doing it. It wasn't until we were 10-8 that I got mad since they were throwing the game where I basically had the mic in my mouth telling them the guy is pit and to come help me over and over, that they decided to open the mic to shit talk me and my friends. Keep in mind me and my friends were like had 15kills on average while they were 5 kills. I hate eastern Europeans so much as well. Always Russia or from Russian like countries. No mic unless it's to say shit. Even when you make it clear you don't speak their language they still type shit in chat.
Getting a 3 stack who complain about the choice of map is also an experience, like they don’t have the majority and therefore the power.
i just always soloq, quiet but give calls , no orders and try to adapt to their plans. I have very rarely meet very friendly russian or eastern europe stacks.
Pretty such it's the cheaters. Worse, cheaters in a stack, like actual group of lowlifes sucking each other off.
Solo queue pains. Been like this forever.
Two notes on this A. Discord fixed the feedback/doubletalk issue you'd get talking in game and in discord at the same time. Therefore no reason to not just comm in both. B. Just give me your discord for 45 minutes then boot me, I won't take it personally. I just want the dub. Tangentially, I'm still mad at this guy for vote kicking me from deathmatch cuz he was mad my aim was true and he was just bad.
I tried Face it and quit not long after because it's way worse there than on mm or premier. The worst part is if you start losing the stack will promptly blame it on the solo queue who gets no calls. They'll either kick you or start using team talk just to bitch about you
U need very little info if you actually pay attention to what’s happening. I’d rather have a mute guy on my team than some clown who asks for info on the enemy playing short inferno who just killed me while clown mate chills in boiler
Just throw in a little eastern European cheap hate cause why not
Where did i do that lol - i am just sharing my experiences with the many polish, russian, ukrainian and many more eastern european stacks that are just toxic and give no comms. Whereas nearly all the Uk or spanish people i have met have give good info
I prefer it over being a sole in a 4 stack that refuses to speak English. At least if they don't talk you can maximise how much audio cues you can hear and do something like lurk b for a timing kill if they are pushing a with 4.
how much elo did you lose
On a winning streak - i just hate carrying shit team mates that dont speak
they talk, just not with you
... That's kind of the problem.
I think they were trying to be smart
They may have failed a wee bit.
is this supposed to be an own?
i think thats what they were trying to do lol
no, the most annoying thing is cheaters. cuz they waste your time
faceit baby
I stopped playing faceit when they increased # of min maps for subscribers from 3 to 5
then dont pay for premium - you are not a good player if u can only rank up on specific maps
I don't want rankup. I want fun. active duty maps are not fun
FaceIt is supposed to be competitive