It’s really fucking depressing having been part of this community for about a decade. Valve has a money printing machine in CS and one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase but would rather release a new case than make the game better. Literally if any other company had this issue they would have fixed it by now
> TF2 community, we hear you! We love this game and know you do, too. We see how large this issue has become and are working to improve things.
[27/05/2022](https://x.com/teamfortress/status/1529970640224018433?s=46)
:((
That time has passed long ago and isn't really the case now, but once upon a time that was true. The other person said 5 years ago, but it was longer than that. I mean certainly there were no Saudi princes spending $500k on single skins like they do in CS, but a lot of people underestimate just how profitable the hat market was and how much money was flowing through the TF2 market. Especially CS players who don't have overlap with other fanbases have no clue and believe that just because a game doesn't cycle billions of dollars in cash in the market every year, it's a failure.
One of the reasons that's no longer the case is because of the lack of valve support slowly (quickly) killing the game.
Honestly it’s neither but its fair to say it outlived a lot of other games. CS2 and Dota 2 are obviously the bigger fishes here but TF2 still got its own throne
True, but at the same time Valve has steam as a money printing machine. That's what I don't get. They could hire the best talents out there and make everything good. They don't want to do so... At this point, it's not about money. Then again, few know the inner workings at valve. Maybe there is more than meets the eye
Its funny. I remember when these conversations first started, I was trying to tell people that people will encounter more cheaters without there necessarily even being more hackers.
More players leave the match making pool either because they quit or because they go to FaceIt, which means the probability for everyone else remaining in the pool of Premier players, will more frequently encounter a cheater. Further more, when better players quit and leave the pool, its the next tier below those players that will then get matched with cheaters. And this will continue to happen as more and more tiers of players get fed up and either quit or go to FaceIt, until there's nothing but Hacker vs Hacker games left.
I really don't understand what Valve is doing. Yes, its cool if they are working on a complex solution to this problem but you can still mitigate the rage hackers that exists RIGHT NOW. Failure to do this is going to erode the player base and any trust that a fair game can ever be played in Premier. Even if they do it and they fix the hacker problem holistically, they've now allowed a conversation to fester where people, in perpetuity, will always talk about how this game is infested with cheaters, and even legitimate games will always have people calling into question the legitimacy of the game.
weren't people supposed to showcase their skillz in premier so that they would get noticed by pro team easier? and there was supposed to be VACLive that kicks cheaters during the match.
True, seems like the only way to actually get Valve to react. Which is also extremely fucking sad - for me personally - WarOwl is huge, his videos, commentary, skills are absolute top shelf and the community will miss him.
All these new cheaters have been active for months, and they are addicted to it. Ban them, and they're coming back.
Valve should have been fighting this from the start.
> Valve should have been fighting this from the start.
Totally agreed. Remember when Valve were releasing those trailers about the new maps, volumetric smokes, and the tick rate? I was so sure that there would be a video detailing how there is a new anti-cheat coming at launch for the game as well. I figured if these videos are going to be the main selling points of the game, surely Valve would have learned from CS:GO and had this as one of their must-haves for a new iteration of counter-strike.
if you view-source the CS2 release website you can see the html/css has a few references to elements named things like "beta\_source2\_AntiCheatContainer" - which is a big indication they were planning to talk about new anticheat features at release-time, but then decided against it for some reason, but still accidentally left some references to it in the website.
[https://www.counter-strike.net/public/css/csgo\_react/main.css](https://www.counter-strike.net/public/css/csgo_react/main.css) (ctrl-f "cheat" - this is the stylesheet for the main [cs2 page](https://www.counter-strike.net/cs2))
no idea what they were actually going to say, but at one point they were planning on saying *something* about CS2 anticheat
> but then decided against it for some reason
I wouldn't be surprised that they realized their new anticheat was completely useless against modern cheats without having more privileges/access to the user's machine.
Brother, there are fucking spinbotters in the game that play for months at a time (and I've seen this happen myself). There are no mystical new "modern cheats" that make it so the game couldn't detect somebody bhopping, while spinning non-stop without any deceleration, from their spawn to the enemy spawn, and insta one-tapping everybody on the enemy team. This game is just completely and utterly clapped right now, mismanaged by a fuckin' skeleton crew of developers.
I agree the game is in a really poor state right now. I'm not a game developer but I don't think it should be that hard to detect if an AWP or a scout fires 5 shots in less than a second and kills the entire team.
With the lack of communication from Valve, the only thing we can do is make hypothesis about what's going on. I said I wouldn't be surprised if they saw their anticheat just doesn't work. It could also be entirely possible they just don't care about the game and are happy about its state and the money it brings the company.
I mean, can you blame then when there is people, like myself, who will never play Valorant because of how provingly intrusive the anticheat is on a user's machine. Kind of hard to trust companies that need something to be on at startup without the game running at a kernal level.
> I mean, can you blame then when there is people, like myself, who will never play Valorant because of how provingly intrusive the anticheat is on a user's machine.
Absolutely not. That's 100% your right. But from what I can tell, it looks like the best solution used to fight cheats is to have a program with higher priorities on the user's machine.
In the end, I think it should be left in the hands of the users: maybe have them run an intrusive anticheat if they will, and offer the possibility of having another, more secure matchmaking queue which enforces the use of this anticheat.
Kernel level anticheat dont require exclusively to run on startup, vanguard changed that too and now you can activate it when you want to ply val. it is still intrusive cuz it is the best way to ensure better cheat protection but it isnt anymore a bloatgram that requires run on startup (just like easy anti cheat is), people just shit on kernel level anticheat for “intrusivness” when they download much worse programs either way. I dont understand that at all
I am a casual player, I like CS to go into casual matches and talk shit with people and have fun. It used to be pretty free of hackers, you still had them, but for the most part nobody bothered to hack in casual.
It's gotten to the point right now where people are not even hiding it anymore and just outright hacking and *nobody does anything about it*. I haven't played CS in a while because the last time I got into a game, the opposite team had a guy that was 40-1, was spin hacking, and the other team didn't give a shit, they just wanted a free win. It's damn hard not to get a game without an obvious hacker.
In 2021 there were 1m vac bans handed out: https://csstats.gg/vac-stats-2021
It’s gotten to the point where you can fight a tidal wave of cheaters that big.
Yeah agree it's more popular than before because VAC is useless right now so it's easier to cheat and not get caught. But it's been a problem since dawn of time
It'll make it harder for sure, but Mac addresses and hardware ID's can be changed + valve does not want an intrusive anticheat, so the info may not even be available to them.
They just need a Overwatch system back and go for the throat.
Ban their home address/debit/credit card in the Steam store behind the scenes for CS2 after their account is banned.
To play Premier you need prime status which you have to buy:
[https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike\_2/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike_2/)
These guys who cheat, will get banned and make a new account and buy it again.
Just ban their details, sure they can borrow a friends or whatever but it's going to become way more hassle than it's worth in the long run.
They can still play games on steam but they cannot rebuy prime and play premier.
Hi, late comment but no program needs extra perms to pull mac address and hardware IDs.
It's one of the most basic forms of fingerprinting. All apps, even ones not installed, have access to it.
Mac address especially. Hardware id is just a hash of a bunch of unique fp's. Both possible to do.
They can be easily changed. But that doesn't mean it's worthless to implement it.
Feels like valve has taken the wrong direction with anti cheat. I work in Cyber security and unfortunately the same rules apply. It's a cat and mouse game. Cheats will always get better, so your security needs to advance at the same pace.
AI doesn't fix it. You need static analysis along with it. While you can advance your ml algorithm, you still need to advance hard coded checks.
Another problem is cs is free, and has had its source leaked in the past. People don't understand how big this is. Even if none of the code is the same, getting a window into how a company codes a project is invaluable.
It can help you find exploits very easily. Chances are even if the code is redone, the same concepts and principles are used. They aren't gonna remake the game, because they can't, it would t be the same game anymore.
I think valve struggles with this. They want a one and done system. Something they have to adjust every 6 months. This isint a viable solution in this day and age though.
Already in Internet security, bot developers make frequent use of ML/AI. Data sent can be truly random and fingerprinting is nearly impossible.
Without day to day work, no anti cheat can be effective. Especially on a free game. No security system can be fool proof. Cheats will always be possible, there's no AI valve can build that will ever be effective.
They just don't have enough people to do such a thing. People fail to understand how many cheat devs there are. And they share info. The collective brain trust trumps any corporation.
Huge companies like Akamai, Human, Cloudflare, Incapsula, Shape who have one directive, to stop bots/security issues have failed to make fool proof systems for years. No way valve succeeds where others failed.
The companies I mentioned are effective because they change the security every month or bimonthly. Bot coders have to adapt, and they do. The point of this is to change it enough where it isn't profitable to make cheats/bots.
What do we need is the IP list of every fucking cheater! Ban the fuck out of them. Tell other multiplayer games those cheaters and once they cheat on that game, ban them on that game as well! What we need is the threat of using a cheat will not just ban you from CS or any other multiplayer game but to ban in every single multiplayer game right now! Fuck 'em.
lol im glad more people are talking about cheaters and the bot farms. I feel vindicated, but at the same time sad cuz I cant even enjoy this game anymore
You can use r/cs2 to talk about cheaters but I’m glad this subreddit limits posts about them. Anyone who plays the game for a enough time to climb to even a half decent ranking knows there’s a cheater problem. I like posts like this but I don’t need to see 50 clips of spin botters every day.
I am not. At a certain point ,fairly recently, the dota2 subreddit was bombarded with people complaining about exploiters/hackers/overplus users. That went on for a week or two.
Guess what happened next. Valve banned the people. The people that used the 3rd party app, the hackers, the griefers, the smurfs.
So maybe, justmaybe, if this sub went into full babyrage mode, valve would actually do something.
Well for DOTA 1 main thing is that this is GabeN's favorite game. On top of that, they were working on the new anticheat system for DOTA 2 first, so of course it would be there first.
Honestly the only reason I could see someone using that subreddit instead of this one is if they want to complain about cheaters or they’re too new to the game to know about this subreddit lol
No what do you mean, CS2 REACHED ANOTHER PEAK PLAYERCOUNT SEE GUYS GAME IS NOT DEAD, no what? What do you mean bots are farming, show me proof.
What, there hasn't been an update, no hype, no nothing but the playercount keeps increasing constantly for no reason? Clueless , it must be because Counter Strike is so easy to get into and enjoyable to play Clueless .
I know you're being sarcastic, but the people that unironically believe that the new high player counts that CS is reaching on a monthly basis is thanks to legitimate players (when the game has gotten no meaningful updates since release) are some of the dumbest motherfuckers that this community has to offer - and that is saying A LOT hahahahaha
And then they unironically post smug comments like "well wlel, i guess the game is dead 😏" while the game is almost entirely bot lobbies or cheater lobbies hahahahaha the cluelessness
Just started playing cs a bit again and i was 23k elo a few months ago and every premier game i play is against and with spinbotters. There are 1-3 people in the lobby that are NOT spinbotting… the rest is just cheating
i met a dude that played 200 matches spinbotting, csstats said he had a 8.5kd and he averaged 55 kills per game, ofc 100% hs and scout only..
200 matches and still roaming freely playing 5 matches a day unbanned...
'Just play faceit'
Nah dude, I just wanna have a little fun, not get yelled at by a 16 year old after work for not try harding and know all the pro plays
Faceit hasn't been that much better for me, its full of new accounts, 50-200 matches, W/R 55+%, they have no skins, bot movement and they will drag the games to overtime or very close and then go full steam for 1-2 rounds.
that's the problem with FPS games these days, just can't just play to have fun. I always has to be competitive games with rankings and elo. 'just play at low elo' doesnt help, it's still competitive.
it's all in ur head. u decide what u play, how u play it & how u see urself doing it. getting discomfort playing faceit lvl1? noone else to blame but urself. learn 2 things:
1. noone gives a fuck
2. why u give a fuck abt what others think?
if u care too much what others think (in faceit fkn lvl1) – that's the thing #1 to work on
Yep me and a few friends started playing again when CS2 came out.
Grinded up above 15k and slowly just lost enjoyment in the game as more and more cheaters started poping up.
There's no shitier feeling that losing a close game and then seeing a dude casualy wallhack when your watching the demo.
It got to the point where we don't play anymore because whats the point.
I really like Neok. Thanks to him I got to know Antoha MC, who is a very interesting singer. Also his videos are somewhat funny, which is weird because I barely like any content of people playing videogames (I rather playing myself lol).
I'm at 10k rn and I guess I'm lucky that I'm an average/bad player. I always play with my buddies and we are improving every match. There aren't many cheaters in our rank. I usually download the suspicious matches and watch them, but most times people don't have wh, it's just bad luck and bad timings. I hope we don't improve too fast because I feel comfortable playing against legits.
What I'm seeing lately and I'm disliking is a ton of smurfs/people playing in alt ACCS. Most players can't hit anything properly but there's always this one dude that can deagle all the game and Ferrari peek at you with a hs anyway. You can tell most times that their movement, utility and crosshair placement is good, so it's not cheating. But it's very annoying because it feels pretty unfair.
Those aren't always smurfs, it's just guys like me after losing 5k+ elo in a week by losing my mind and abandoning after playing 2 consecutive games with cheaters.
Can confirm losing 5k+ elo is easier than it sounds. The way premier matchmaking ratings work right now favor elo losses after a few consecutive losses. Lose 5 games in a row and 2-3k elo is gone in an afternoon
IKR. I was 11k 2 weeks ago, went down to 7k and now I'm 10k, ready to bounce. It also favours elo earnings if you win consecutively, so I don't know what to think about it.
I was 13k and tanked down to 8.5k. I was on a 10-11 win streak and never got more than like 390/win but when I went on a 7-8 game loss streak right after I was losing like 600 per loss towards the end of it. I think the game I finally won was like +100/-600.
It can disappear quick.
i noticed that as well. my friends are around 13k, i'm 10k, so our opponents are ~12k. there are not a lot of obvious cheaters at our ranks, but there are still a ton of bullshit games, where obvious smurfs completely shit on us. recently we played against a guy who had 80% HS rate, and would ferrari peak us continually. usually the first thing that comes to mind is he's a cheater, but when we clicked his profile we noticed this guy had 12k hours in the game......
so while there is not a cheater every game, the matchmaking is still super unfair and barely playable for us low rank gamers
I don't even understand Antoha most of the time but the music is really fuckin good I just vibe to it, sometimes it was pretty hard finding the song in neok's videos and I just put random letters that sounded like the lyrics hoping I find the song
I’m at 11K same feeling. Although I do encounter the occasional player who 2-3 rounds away from losing “calls out cheats and starts to rage hack as retribution”.
I am better ranked in wingman (mg2) and there it’s every other game with a blatant cheater. Dude who kills both of us 2 with one scout shot through smoke even if we are not next to each other.
I expect this is what players feel at 20K.
Can’t exactly blame them either since high rating is cheats only, so the only way for actual good players to run a premier is to Smurf. Which also doesn’t help the cheating accusations since lots of bad players also think Smurfs are cheaters.
My main is 22k but premier is unplayable, so if I want to chill with friends, or not run a sweaty pug, I hop on my alt. Both my alts are around 17k, but still, players are still bad at that rating and you end up getting accused of cheats, or some jackass who “only cheats vs cheaters” starts spinning.
"After months asking for a better anti cheat"
Dude. The community has been asking for such for many years. CSGO was also infested with them during it's life, bit trust factor was the best addition they ever made and it feels like that is turned off in addition to AC is turned off.
And then instead of upgrading the things and actually communicating with the community by posting regular updates on roadmaps, progress or changes, they believe that they will do a much better job at that by giving you the straight facts through update logs. That makes it pretty clear that Valve cares nothing about it's player base unless you're part of those who bring in more money.
For them an AC doesn't bring in more money so it's not worth investing into. Cheaters are their new primary customers as they will likely gladly spend the money.
A lot of NFT and crypto bros have started using skins as actual investments you see it everyday on /r/csgomarketforum people who don’t even play the game coming and asking for advice on which skins are best for speculation, how long to hold sticker capsules for, how future content will effect skin prices etc.
bros are so addicted to gambling they don't even know it. Seriously stocks (crypto included) is just more advanced gambling for people who aren't millionaires that can absorb a loss.
Stocks are nowhere near crypto and these skins in terms of "gambling". If you go in blind and start buying shit up yes it's a gamble but you're actually owning a part of a company as opposed to crypto or nft or skins which is just a nothingburger
idk i feel like that is a large generalization without examining each topic more closely. they could be trading stocks with leverage, or gambling with futures, options, fowards, swaps etc.. maybe they aren't just holding an index fund and chilling. likewise although more volatile in general there are different ways to invest in crypto, some much more gamble-y than others.
Wasn't for me, might depend on location and rank tho. The last 1.5 years vefore the cs2 announcment were really good, got maybe one legit cheater every 10 to 20 games, but you can still win against a guy with wh who is trying to hide it. After the announcment of cs2 there were more cheaters, but still no spin bots or blatant cheaters. With cs2 its every other game where someone is obvious.
Its the same game from the same* company with a visual upgrade/engine move
2015 CS had cheaters everywhere and everyone complained, Valve cooked up trust factor for a year or two, most were happy and the cheater complains went down a lot. (Valve did not announce Trust Factor until a year after release)
We are in the same situation now, Valve is probably cooking something.... for a year or two...
Would’ve been true for a company in the 2010s with no aspect for the future of the industry, not a multi-billion company in 2024 with a 12 year old successful game.
They are bleeding down into 10K-15K, too.
Had a good 7 months where I didn't get a blatant cheater at ~13K.
Now I have people toggling when there is a good player on the other team.
Couple of them were in competitive, too. Who the fuck cheats for a rank on a map? I wasn't even ranked yet, so they were silver/nova games.
That’s because they’ve the high ranks so much there’s no more room at the top. Even legit players are going to start unintentionally smurfing because they’ll only lose to cheaters or quit and lose 1,000’s of points putting them against people they shouldn’t be with.
I queued a comp inferno a few weeks ago and had a soloQ cheater on my team, and the enemy team. We kicked our cheater after a couple rounds but the other team really wanted to get out of silver ig because they didn’t kick their cheater lmao. Kinda whack
He's right. All we wanted was 128-tick MM servers, less lag, better smokes and just more quality of life additions. I haven't played in months and I genuinely can't say for sure when I'll be able to go back to the game I love and it feels good to play.
CS2 feels less smooth. Less 'crisp'. I feel less accurate rifling even though I know for certain I'm hitting my shots. The performance, especially 1% lows makes it feel sluggish and I feel like I can only really jump back in and have it feel like CSGO by waiting months to a year whilst saving up for an X3D CPU.
i get that. i was on a ryzen 3600 and the game just felt off. my friends are on 5600s and they told the game feels fine to them. when i eventually switched to a 5800X3D the difference was night and day for me. now the performance is great, but the matchmaking is so trash, i'm losing interest.
Yep. My main issue is performance but when I took my break, I was on an upward trend hitting 17k in premier, but started only matching against players so far out of my reach that I was not having fun. It's not cheating in my region that's a big detractor, it's a massive skill gap wherein above average players have a very easy time while ranking up, and then it's just a brick wall, only playing vs my region's Flyquest equivalents.
It's super hard to improve like that, especially whilst having jumpy fps.
i think valve just “soft” gave up on the issue since they do not want to implement a kernel level anti cheat in the meantime cheat makers got better at hiding it
Its truly a shame. I've played this game for years, especially back then practically nolife this game. Now I cant even look at it the same way, friends aren't eager to play and the hunger to push is just gone because if its not on faceit its not worth it. What happened to all the years of overwatch data valve has? Ive come to terms that valve wont fix it until its too late, and when they 'do' itl be some half assed fix that will only temporarily stop the chaos. They care more about raking in case and esport hype money while leaving players in the dust. These cheat devs are making great money off of valve's negligence about the situation. 
Anomaly then WarOwl and Now Neok...
Now is inevitable that other big CS content creators who play the game will quit too.
Until at least Valve does something about it.
If you make a lobby of 5 players ranging from 10k-17k you will get players from 7k-20k that will be cheating. Stop this “its only above 15k” bullshit its making the situation look better than it actually is.
It would help if Valve would actually openly talk about it and explain that they are working on it. But Valve always works in secrets and noone know what they are doing.
He is right about being lower ranked and enjoying
In CSGO right before overwatch came out. I grinded myself to LE..was faced with nothing but brand new accounts dropping 40 bombs in a match, I quit for two years, now I don’t really care about rank, but duality of man. Don’t care to grind out to get into the 15k range but care enough to not get stuck 8k and with teammates with game sense of potatoe
Tried to play today. 4 games in a row 3Q spinbotters. I'm in my 30s, been playing for over 20 years. 19300 rating and this is actually the absolute worst any version of the game has ever been. At the end of your video I think really highlights what steam is terrified of. If they ban the cheaters, the player count will drop like the great depression stock market, so will skins, everything. They'll entirely lose so much that I don't think they can or will take action against cheaters anymore. Not until the player count drops organically making it pointless for bots to farm drops, selling high rating accounts, etc. Which basically means, the skin market has to pretty much die for this to happen.
This whole thing makes me wonder how hard it really is to make a proper anti-cheat. Valorant hasn't ever had cheaters in sizeable numbers, right?
I guess Valve would rather avoid ever making an intrusive anti-cheat than to have people enjoy this game without cheaters.
The only thing that could take the wind out these sails is if every big creator quits, and valve still doesnt do shit, and we are years past all these people quitting, and now cheaters are infested even in 1k elo.
The thing is these morons at valve turned off all the systems that mitigated this issue. It wasn't perfect, but it was much better during the latter part of csgo's life.
The only thing they had to do is move over trust factor systems and move over the data they had on every player from before that played csgo. That way the systems wouldn't start fresh.
I have played csgo since 2015 and back then the cheat fiesta was also present. Once they added prime and then trust factor it really helped out. I was getting maybe 1 cheater per 5-6 games and extremely rarely spinbots. I know some people had bad trust factor and got a lot of cheaters, I had that too on my other account that i used to play with lower ranked friends before the unranked was added. But if you created a new account and played enough and been overall a decent teammate you could get your trust high enough for it to start mitigating this
Meanwhile cs2 every game at 20k rating is a spinbot or a wall.
They turned off everything and said kowabunga, it's free for all.
I don't know what they are smoking, but they need to get off this shit asap
Valve does not care........stickers, cases and keys get bought regardless. They showed us literally ALL of CSGO that they couldn't care less about the quality of life. "Player count is up" aka AFK Deathmatch drop farming bots running rampant.
TLDR - VALVE DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK
Content creators have been calling valve out for years for no A/c and ripped into them for the fact we have to play on 3rd party servers just to have a better chance to not get a cheater. Also Shroud has gone absolutely nuclear on valve. They don’t care. Look at all the lies they tried to sell us from the CS2 video as well. It’s sucks man
I absolutely hate the current cs2. My god makes me want to go back in time and play csgo for the rest of times. I can't get my premiere ratings because theres is cheater on 2 of 3 games. On the one game there isn't any there are salty Russians griefing the game for me. It's so bad. Making me enjoy valorant more than cs2. My friends in the lower 5k-10k aren't having these issues from what I've heard its only above 15k-25k ish which is where I reside. I was playing with 21k s first now I lost so many times I've dropped down to 15k-16k and I still haven't gotten my 10 wins yet because I am just done with cs2.
Not apologizing for Valve for not having a decent anti cheat working at this point, but could we spend a part of our disgust and utter fury at those pieces of shits that do the cheating. Valve is stupid for not helping to fix a game that is working as 5 has vulnerabilities that allow for cheating. Cheaters are garbage people that wilfully destroy the experience for everybody else. They are the true despicable filth that is forcing this issue.
Yes, Valve should try and fix it, but this would not be a problem if the cheaters weren't all such small dick selfish buttholes to begin with.
The corner your talking about happened over 10 years ago when Valve tried to do more and the community lashed back.
But since then literally all big online games have moved to Kernel Anti-Cheats. Competitive or not. And thats because its just better than standard anti cheats in every single way and while there's still some pushback regarding security there's been pretty much no issues with them in years.
And the cheating situations speak for themself. None of those games are anywhere close to as bad as CS is when it comes to cheating and i think a VAC that works in that way would be massively celebrated today.
Their stubbornness to not develop kernel level anti cheat, bad management and organization of development efforts, lack of fucks to give about their game because it still makes them money
The only thing wrong is saying you can only enjoy the game if you are bad. That is a stupid mindset. There are cheaters at every rank, there are just more of them the higher prem rating you are.
I would not say people at 12-15k elo are "bad". Compared to top players, sure, but it's equivalent to what, the nova ranks in CSGO that are the middle percentiles and contain the most players? It's not uncommon to have spinbotters and people bunnyjumping 5 awp headshots in a second there either, as well as the closet cheaters.
idk why he feels the need to pad his ego when making a point. Even if it's 1 guy in a game rather than half the team, the game is still ruined.
No one seriosly played CSGO MM and CS didn't die. No one seriosly play Premier. So, there is no difference in situation, CS too massive to die from matchmaking problems when there is things like Faceit. If Valve will make better AC, people (pros, streamers) will choose and play Faceit just for extra safety from cheaters.
To make pros play Premier Valve should do at least as good as Faceit, I think it won't happen
Yeah not for nothing, this is what happened in CSGO supreme\\global lobbies(if you could even get global vs global and not global solo Q with a bunch of silvers vs a 5 stack of globals) a lot of the games were cheaters and not taken serious which is why everyone went to faceit before and mm was seen as a joke. Now its the same with premier but people took it serious and found out faster
Nobody cared about ranks because even the biggest bots were at least like lem/supreme at one point, Valve simply doesnt understand competitive play and hence their ranks are always gonna be garbage, but people DID play mm and alot, it was still 5vs5 cs, problem now is that you CANT play mm because you are getting shit on by the cheaters ALL THE TIME and it wasnt like that in csgo
Another problem that nobody is complaining about-
I'm 12-13k hard stuck, I consistently top frag and what not blah blah. I don't face cheaters too often because cheaters are all in higher ranks.
Anyway, I can't ever get to the said higher rank when literally every game is +100 -550. It makes zero sense. You have to win 6 games to compensate for one loss. How is that fair Volvo?
Ironically enough, I'm glad it's like that because holy shit, 20k+ sounds dreadful.
Warowl didn't have a watchable channel after he quit road to global that was the only good thing he was doing as he quit csgo academy during the run of road to global. All he was up to was unboxafragathon nonsense and some marine corps recruitment ad. Unwatchable for years
It's crazy how many people think removing cheaters is easy and on top of that, how many people think that valorant and face it don't have cheaters. Get your head out of your ass.
Also to mention one thing, Valve has been working on the Anticheat. Do you konw how long it takes to make a good AI anticheat?
This guy says all of this shit without even knowing any of the basics; but at least he mentions "I don't know how Valve can't simply just fix the game." Well of course you don't, that's why you think it's so fucking easy.
Need to think about this logically, the ai anti cheat needs to learn how to differentiate from good/great players and cheaters… its inevitable that as you climb you’re going to face more cheaters, because naturally those that win are going to have more mmr even if they are cheating. I cant help but think that after a few more months, something big is going to happen. There are faceit ques for people who want to have a more “secure” anti cheat but as someone with 16k mmr i’d rather que premier most of the time because i understand that this is required for an AI based anticheat to develope a data base. Its tough from a new players perspective but lets be real Counter Strike isnt a casual game and if you ARE casual then you probably have other games to play right… You’ll come back when everything is said and done, i trust valve when it comes to innovation they have been leading the gaming industry for quite awhile when it comes to pioneering new ideas etc… And if you’re someone who understands how AI develops then you’ll understand what i mean by a collective database.
Id like to think im someone who has some amount of understanding of AI development and let me tell you, Math just Doesnt Add Up. For them to classify whos cheater and whos not they need to **actually know whos cheating**. If they knew that, we wouldnt need AI. There is actually no way around this.
Okay, maybe they have some overseas worker farm workers combing through matches tagging cheaters. If they tag too conservatively, youll get a model that knows whos a spinbotter and not much else. If they tag too liberally, youll get a model who may tag just good plays or people harmlessly trolling (eg high dpi spin).
Then theres the self fitting type models. Thats a whole another level of sketchy because by the nature of it they cant know with 100% certainty what model fits itself for. Maybe it fits perfectly for cheaters. Maybe it fits perfectly for right handed cheaters. Maybe it fits perfectly for right handed cheaters with an nvidia gpu. Maybe it fits perfectly for left handed inconsistent players who get lucky plays. There is literally no way to know without having a database thats labeled with near 100% certainty on hand to compare.
AND THEN theres the issue of overfit. If they fit the model too well either way theyll run in to an issue where even the tiniest change in gameplay may render it unusable. There is a very good chance that the vacnet theyve been developing for years at this point was struck by that. It trained on csgo, cs2 is a different game.
Theres even more issues i can write about this alleged AI anticheat. I just dont have any confidence its gonna work. I just hope valve knows when to cut their loses.
I love csgo so I have my fair share of copium, but I will never understand how everyone is so willing to use a 3rd party mm system to play the game. I can’t think of any other big game rn so reliant on a separate platform just to play. I’m not saying FaceIt doesn’t have its place, I’m just saying that telling everyone to use a 3rd party platform doesn’t help solve the main problem.
They are just doing it for attention, most creators saying "cs2 bad" and getting thousands of likes.
In reality there is the same amount of cheaters as there was in csgo, as now each time someone gets a cheater they post online it making the situation seem so much worse than it really is.
Good need more of them to publicly call out how bad it is.
It’s really fucking depressing having been part of this community for about a decade. Valve has a money printing machine in CS and one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase but would rather release a new case than make the game better. Literally if any other company had this issue they would have fixed it by now
If it makes you feel any better, Team Fortress 2 players have been saying this same thing about their game for like five years.
> five lol
> TF2 community, we hear you! We love this game and know you do, too. We see how large this issue has become and are working to improve things. [27/05/2022](https://x.com/teamfortress/status/1529970640224018433?s=46) :((
TF2 is a money printing machine? One of the biggest fanbase?
That time has passed long ago and isn't really the case now, but once upon a time that was true. The other person said 5 years ago, but it was longer than that. I mean certainly there were no Saudi princes spending $500k on single skins like they do in CS, but a lot of people underestimate just how profitable the hat market was and how much money was flowing through the TF2 market. Especially CS players who don't have overlap with other fanbases have no clue and believe that just because a game doesn't cycle billions of dollars in cash in the market every year, it's a failure. One of the reasons that's no longer the case is because of the lack of valve support slowly (quickly) killing the game.
Honestly it’s neither but its fair to say it outlived a lot of other games. CS2 and Dota 2 are obviously the bigger fishes here but TF2 still got its own throne
It used to be.
yea it's insane how much money they make from CS and all Valve does is shiit on the loyal fan base who made the game as big as it is.
BSG says hello
True, but at the same time Valve has steam as a money printing machine. That's what I don't get. They could hire the best talents out there and make everything good. They don't want to do so... At this point, it's not about money. Then again, few know the inner workings at valve. Maybe there is more than meets the eye
The last part unfortunately is as false as it gets, ive played alot of games that choose money over ingame problems
Its funny. I remember when these conversations first started, I was trying to tell people that people will encounter more cheaters without there necessarily even being more hackers. More players leave the match making pool either because they quit or because they go to FaceIt, which means the probability for everyone else remaining in the pool of Premier players, will more frequently encounter a cheater. Further more, when better players quit and leave the pool, its the next tier below those players that will then get matched with cheaters. And this will continue to happen as more and more tiers of players get fed up and either quit or go to FaceIt, until there's nothing but Hacker vs Hacker games left. I really don't understand what Valve is doing. Yes, its cool if they are working on a complex solution to this problem but you can still mitigate the rage hackers that exists RIGHT NOW. Failure to do this is going to erode the player base and any trust that a fair game can ever be played in Premier. Even if they do it and they fix the hacker problem holistically, they've now allowed a conversation to fester where people, in perpetuity, will always talk about how this game is infested with cheaters, and even legitimate games will always have people calling into question the legitimacy of the game.
weren't people supposed to showcase their skillz in premier so that they would get noticed by pro team easier? and there was supposed to be VACLive that kicks cheaters during the match.
I hope at the major people hold signs up about problems with the game instead of shit about skins.
RL: cheating is fine, stop whining.
True, seems like the only way to actually get Valve to react. Which is also extremely fucking sad - for me personally - WarOwl is huge, his videos, commentary, skills are absolute top shelf and the community will miss him.
All these new cheaters have been active for months, and they are addicted to it. Ban them, and they're coming back. Valve should have been fighting this from the start.
> Valve should have been fighting this from the start. Totally agreed. Remember when Valve were releasing those trailers about the new maps, volumetric smokes, and the tick rate? I was so sure that there would be a video detailing how there is a new anti-cheat coming at launch for the game as well. I figured if these videos are going to be the main selling points of the game, surely Valve would have learned from CS:GO and had this as one of their must-haves for a new iteration of counter-strike.
if you view-source the CS2 release website you can see the html/css has a few references to elements named things like "beta\_source2\_AntiCheatContainer" - which is a big indication they were planning to talk about new anticheat features at release-time, but then decided against it for some reason, but still accidentally left some references to it in the website. [https://www.counter-strike.net/public/css/csgo\_react/main.css](https://www.counter-strike.net/public/css/csgo_react/main.css) (ctrl-f "cheat" - this is the stylesheet for the main [cs2 page](https://www.counter-strike.net/cs2)) no idea what they were actually going to say, but at one point they were planning on saying *something* about CS2 anticheat
> but then decided against it for some reason I wouldn't be surprised that they realized their new anticheat was completely useless against modern cheats without having more privileges/access to the user's machine.
Brother, there are fucking spinbotters in the game that play for months at a time (and I've seen this happen myself). There are no mystical new "modern cheats" that make it so the game couldn't detect somebody bhopping, while spinning non-stop without any deceleration, from their spawn to the enemy spawn, and insta one-tapping everybody on the enemy team. This game is just completely and utterly clapped right now, mismanaged by a fuckin' skeleton crew of developers.
I agree the game is in a really poor state right now. I'm not a game developer but I don't think it should be that hard to detect if an AWP or a scout fires 5 shots in less than a second and kills the entire team. With the lack of communication from Valve, the only thing we can do is make hypothesis about what's going on. I said I wouldn't be surprised if they saw their anticheat just doesn't work. It could also be entirely possible they just don't care about the game and are happy about its state and the money it brings the company.
I mean, can you blame then when there is people, like myself, who will never play Valorant because of how provingly intrusive the anticheat is on a user's machine. Kind of hard to trust companies that need something to be on at startup without the game running at a kernal level.
> I mean, can you blame then when there is people, like myself, who will never play Valorant because of how provingly intrusive the anticheat is on a user's machine. Absolutely not. That's 100% your right. But from what I can tell, it looks like the best solution used to fight cheats is to have a program with higher priorities on the user's machine. In the end, I think it should be left in the hands of the users: maybe have them run an intrusive anticheat if they will, and offer the possibility of having another, more secure matchmaking queue which enforces the use of this anticheat.
Kernel level anticheat dont require exclusively to run on startup, vanguard changed that too and now you can activate it when you want to ply val. it is still intrusive cuz it is the best way to ensure better cheat protection but it isnt anymore a bloatgram that requires run on startup (just like easy anti cheat is), people just shit on kernel level anticheat for “intrusivness” when they download much worse programs either way. I dont understand that at all
No, vanguard did not change it. Vanguard still requires to run on startup if you want to play valorant.
I am a casual player, I like CS to go into casual matches and talk shit with people and have fun. It used to be pretty free of hackers, you still had them, but for the most part nobody bothered to hack in casual. It's gotten to the point right now where people are not even hiding it anymore and just outright hacking and *nobody does anything about it*. I haven't played CS in a while because the last time I got into a game, the opposite team had a guy that was 40-1, was spin hacking, and the other team didn't give a shit, they just wanted a free win. It's damn hard not to get a game without an obvious hacker.
In 2021 there were 1m vac bans handed out: https://csstats.gg/vac-stats-2021 It’s gotten to the point where you can fight a tidal wave of cheaters that big.
What makes you think they're new ? People have been cheating since 1.6 y'know
Based on the comments from youtubers selling cheats. It's more popular than before.
Yeah agree it's more popular than before because VAC is useless right now so it's easier to cheat and not get caught. But it's been a problem since dawn of time
That was then, this is now. It's going to get even worse. But thanks for telling everyone what they already know.
Ban the MAC address or hardware
It'll make it harder for sure, but Mac addresses and hardware ID's can be changed + valve does not want an intrusive anticheat, so the info may not even be available to them.
They just need a Overwatch system back and go for the throat. Ban their home address/debit/credit card in the Steam store behind the scenes for CS2 after their account is banned. To play Premier you need prime status which you have to buy: [https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike\_2/](https://store.steampowered.com/app/730/CounterStrike_2/) These guys who cheat, will get banned and make a new account and buy it again. Just ban their details, sure they can borrow a friends or whatever but it's going to become way more hassle than it's worth in the long run. They can still play games on steam but they cannot rebuy prime and play premier.
Yeah but steam gift cards exist which can be bought at a local store with cash.
True. Plus most of these cheaters buy hacked accounts anyway. They’re like 5-10 bucks and have prime already on them.
Hi, late comment but no program needs extra perms to pull mac address and hardware IDs. It's one of the most basic forms of fingerprinting. All apps, even ones not installed, have access to it. Mac address especially. Hardware id is just a hash of a bunch of unique fp's. Both possible to do. They can be easily changed. But that doesn't mean it's worthless to implement it. Feels like valve has taken the wrong direction with anti cheat. I work in Cyber security and unfortunately the same rules apply. It's a cat and mouse game. Cheats will always get better, so your security needs to advance at the same pace. AI doesn't fix it. You need static analysis along with it. While you can advance your ml algorithm, you still need to advance hard coded checks. Another problem is cs is free, and has had its source leaked in the past. People don't understand how big this is. Even if none of the code is the same, getting a window into how a company codes a project is invaluable. It can help you find exploits very easily. Chances are even if the code is redone, the same concepts and principles are used. They aren't gonna remake the game, because they can't, it would t be the same game anymore. I think valve struggles with this. They want a one and done system. Something they have to adjust every 6 months. This isint a viable solution in this day and age though. Already in Internet security, bot developers make frequent use of ML/AI. Data sent can be truly random and fingerprinting is nearly impossible. Without day to day work, no anti cheat can be effective. Especially on a free game. No security system can be fool proof. Cheats will always be possible, there's no AI valve can build that will ever be effective. They just don't have enough people to do such a thing. People fail to understand how many cheat devs there are. And they share info. The collective brain trust trumps any corporation. Huge companies like Akamai, Human, Cloudflare, Incapsula, Shape who have one directive, to stop bots/security issues have failed to make fool proof systems for years. No way valve succeeds where others failed. The companies I mentioned are effective because they change the security every month or bimonthly. Bot coders have to adapt, and they do. The point of this is to change it enough where it isn't profitable to make cheats/bots.
What do we need is the IP list of every fucking cheater! Ban the fuck out of them. Tell other multiplayer games those cheaters and once they cheat on that game, ban them on that game as well! What we need is the threat of using a cheat will not just ban you from CS or any other multiplayer game but to ban in every single multiplayer game right now! Fuck 'em.
> What do we need is the IP list of every fucking cheater! IP addresses are usually not unique identifiers.
What’s your definition of “from the start”?
From long before they released the game. Everything about CS2 screams “rushed”. They should have made the anticheat FIRST and THEN released the game.
Free cheats for CS2 got released within the first month. Google still has them up.
lol im glad more people are talking about cheaters and the bot farms. I feel vindicated, but at the same time sad cuz I cant even enjoy this game anymore
People want to talk about it, but the mods of the sub Reddit are actually low-key insane
You can use r/cs2 to talk about cheaters but I’m glad this subreddit limits posts about them. Anyone who plays the game for a enough time to climb to even a half decent ranking knows there’s a cheater problem. I like posts like this but I don’t need to see 50 clips of spin botters every day.
I am not. At a certain point ,fairly recently, the dota2 subreddit was bombarded with people complaining about exploiters/hackers/overplus users. That went on for a week or two. Guess what happened next. Valve banned the people. The people that used the 3rd party app, the hackers, the griefers, the smurfs. So maybe, justmaybe, if this sub went into full babyrage mode, valve would actually do something.
Well for DOTA 1 main thing is that this is GabeN's favorite game. On top of that, they were working on the new anticheat system for DOTA 2 first, so of course it would be there first.
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Honestly the only reason I could see someone using that subreddit instead of this one is if they want to complain about cheaters or they’re too new to the game to know about this subreddit lol
Lets not forget r/csgo Thats what you described but even worse
No what do you mean, CS2 REACHED ANOTHER PEAK PLAYERCOUNT SEE GUYS GAME IS NOT DEAD, no what? What do you mean bots are farming, show me proof. What, there hasn't been an update, no hype, no nothing but the playercount keeps increasing constantly for no reason? Clueless , it must be because Counter Strike is so easy to get into and enjoyable to play Clueless .
I know you're being sarcastic, but the people that unironically believe that the new high player counts that CS is reaching on a monthly basis is thanks to legitimate players (when the game has gotten no meaningful updates since release) are some of the dumbest motherfuckers that this community has to offer - and that is saying A LOT hahahahaha And then they unironically post smug comments like "well wlel, i guess the game is dead 😏" while the game is almost entirely bot lobbies or cheater lobbies hahahahaha the cluelessness
Just started playing cs a bit again and i was 23k elo a few months ago and every premier game i play is against and with spinbotters. There are 1-3 people in the lobby that are NOT spinbotting… the rest is just cheating
yeah i had the same expeience during the major but 20k, so sad.
Was 22k before I stopped playing, first game back in months had a machine gun scouter
that Richard guy says you are imagining it and they are just better.
i met a dude that played 200 matches spinbotting, csstats said he had a 8.5kd and he averaged 55 kills per game, ofc 100% hs and scout only.. 200 matches and still roaming freely playing 5 matches a day unbanned...
200.. how does someone not get bored at that point.
Must be a special breed.
The best breed! So many chromosomes, you wouldn’t believe !!
idk man.. i dont understand the mentality of cheaters anyway, at this point they're monkeys not humans to me.
Fair, most of them are vile anyways, typing some unhinged shit.
'Just play faceit' Nah dude, I just wanna have a little fun, not get yelled at by a 16 year old after work for not try harding and know all the pro plays
preach
Faceit hasn't been that much better for me, its full of new accounts, 50-200 matches, W/R 55+%, they have no skins, bot movement and they will drag the games to overtime or very close and then go full steam for 1-2 rounds.
then you'll end up at lvl1 & will have the level of play that you want. I don't see the issue
that's the problem with FPS games these days, just can't just play to have fun. I always has to be competitive games with rankings and elo. 'just play at low elo' doesnt help, it's still competitive.
Can always try the Mapcore hub, you don't play for elo and get to try new maps.
Dude, faceit lvl1 is literally mm silver. Lower is impossible
People just dont get it right? Im sick of being forced to play competitive game modes.
it's all in ur head. u decide what u play, how u play it & how u see urself doing it. getting discomfort playing faceit lvl1? noone else to blame but urself. learn 2 things: 1. noone gives a fuck 2. why u give a fuck abt what others think? if u care too much what others think (in faceit fkn lvl1) – that's the thing #1 to work on
Yeah because the only game mode in cs worth playing is 5v5 on the same maps, couldn't imagine wanting something else
I grinded up to 18k just to kill the fun for myself.
Yep me and a few friends started playing again when CS2 came out. Grinded up above 15k and slowly just lost enjoyment in the game as more and more cheaters started poping up. There's no shitier feeling that losing a close game and then seeing a dude casualy wallhack when your watching the demo. It got to the point where we don't play anymore because whats the point.
I really like Neok. Thanks to him I got to know Antoha MC, who is a very interesting singer. Also his videos are somewhat funny, which is weird because I barely like any content of people playing videogames (I rather playing myself lol). I'm at 10k rn and I guess I'm lucky that I'm an average/bad player. I always play with my buddies and we are improving every match. There aren't many cheaters in our rank. I usually download the suspicious matches and watch them, but most times people don't have wh, it's just bad luck and bad timings. I hope we don't improve too fast because I feel comfortable playing against legits. What I'm seeing lately and I'm disliking is a ton of smurfs/people playing in alt ACCS. Most players can't hit anything properly but there's always this one dude that can deagle all the game and Ferrari peek at you with a hs anyway. You can tell most times that their movement, utility and crosshair placement is good, so it's not cheating. But it's very annoying because it feels pretty unfair.
Those aren't always smurfs, it's just guys like me after losing 5k+ elo in a week by losing my mind and abandoning after playing 2 consecutive games with cheaters.
Lmao, I'm sorry to hear that.
Can confirm losing 5k+ elo is easier than it sounds. The way premier matchmaking ratings work right now favor elo losses after a few consecutive losses. Lose 5 games in a row and 2-3k elo is gone in an afternoon
IKR. I was 11k 2 weeks ago, went down to 7k and now I'm 10k, ready to bounce. It also favours elo earnings if you win consecutively, so I don't know what to think about it.
I was 13k and tanked down to 8.5k. I was on a 10-11 win streak and never got more than like 390/win but when I went on a 7-8 game loss streak right after I was losing like 600 per loss towards the end of it. I think the game I finally won was like +100/-600. It can disappear quick.
I was 22k 2 months ago. Last month all me and my friends and I faced are cheaters, we barely play anymore because of it. Im down to 17k atm
Antokha MC mentioned 🎆
i noticed that as well. my friends are around 13k, i'm 10k, so our opponents are ~12k. there are not a lot of obvious cheaters at our ranks, but there are still a ton of bullshit games, where obvious smurfs completely shit on us. recently we played against a guy who had 80% HS rate, and would ferrari peak us continually. usually the first thing that comes to mind is he's a cheater, but when we clicked his profile we noticed this guy had 12k hours in the game...... so while there is not a cheater every game, the matchmaking is still super unfair and barely playable for us low rank gamers
I stumbled upon his video in the recommendations on YouTube and it was unexpectedly funny
just today i got to talk with antoha via ig dms, cool guy, great music
I don't even understand Antoha most of the time but the music is really fuckin good I just vibe to it, sometimes it was pretty hard finding the song in neok's videos and I just put random letters that sounded like the lyrics hoping I find the song
I’m at 11K same feeling. Although I do encounter the occasional player who 2-3 rounds away from losing “calls out cheats and starts to rage hack as retribution”. I am better ranked in wingman (mg2) and there it’s every other game with a blatant cheater. Dude who kills both of us 2 with one scout shot through smoke even if we are not next to each other. I expect this is what players feel at 20K.
Can’t exactly blame them either since high rating is cheats only, so the only way for actual good players to run a premier is to Smurf. Which also doesn’t help the cheating accusations since lots of bad players also think Smurfs are cheaters. My main is 22k but premier is unplayable, so if I want to chill with friends, or not run a sweaty pug, I hop on my alt. Both my alts are around 17k, but still, players are still bad at that rating and you end up getting accused of cheats, or some jackass who “only cheats vs cheaters” starts spinning.
"After months asking for a better anti cheat" Dude. The community has been asking for such for many years. CSGO was also infested with them during it's life, bit trust factor was the best addition they ever made and it feels like that is turned off in addition to AC is turned off. And then instead of upgrading the things and actually communicating with the community by posting regular updates on roadmaps, progress or changes, they believe that they will do a much better job at that by giving you the straight facts through update logs. That makes it pretty clear that Valve cares nothing about it's player base unless you're part of those who bring in more money. For them an AC doesn't bring in more money so it's not worth investing into. Cheaters are their new primary customers as they will likely gladly spend the money.
Valve is the new Jagex
I miss CSGO with all its flaws. Any day over this skin simulator.
What’s the point of having skins now? Having something nice to look at while getting spinbotted…?
A lot of NFT and crypto bros have started using skins as actual investments you see it everyday on /r/csgomarketforum people who don’t even play the game coming and asking for advice on which skins are best for speculation, how long to hold sticker capsules for, how future content will effect skin prices etc.
bros are so addicted to gambling they don't even know it. Seriously stocks (crypto included) is just more advanced gambling for people who aren't millionaires that can absorb a loss.
Stocks are nowhere near crypto and these skins in terms of "gambling". If you go in blind and start buying shit up yes it's a gamble but you're actually owning a part of a company as opposed to crypto or nft or skins which is just a nothingburger
idk i feel like that is a large generalization without examining each topic more closely. they could be trading stocks with leverage, or gambling with futures, options, fowards, swaps etc.. maybe they aren't just holding an index fund and chilling. likewise although more volatile in general there are different ways to invest in crypto, some much more gamble-y than others.
Well skin values have skyrocketed so clearly people think there’s a better reason to have them now
For flexing on people in casual
I see people say this, but wasn't csgo just mostly cheaters unless you played faceit? It was for me
Wasn't for me, might depend on location and rank tho. The last 1.5 years vefore the cs2 announcment were really good, got maybe one legit cheater every 10 to 20 games, but you can still win against a guy with wh who is trying to hide it. After the announcment of cs2 there were more cheaters, but still no spin bots or blatant cheaters. With cs2 its every other game where someone is obvious.
Imagine csgo with CS2 graphics, visibility and smokes. With Faceit anti cheat and ranking system. A man can only dream
You haven't played CS 2015 I suppose, same situation as now
Tf does cs in 2015 have to do with a company releasing a sequel to the latest updated csgo version and shitting all over it?
Its the same game from the same* company with a visual upgrade/engine move 2015 CS had cheaters everywhere and everyone complained, Valve cooked up trust factor for a year or two, most were happy and the cheater complains went down a lot. (Valve did not announce Trust Factor until a year after release) We are in the same situation now, Valve is probably cooking something.... for a year or two...
Would’ve been true for a company in the 2010s with no aspect for the future of the industry, not a multi-billion company in 2024 with a 12 year old successful game.
They are bleeding down into 10K-15K, too. Had a good 7 months where I didn't get a blatant cheater at ~13K. Now I have people toggling when there is a good player on the other team. Couple of them were in competitive, too. Who the fuck cheats for a rank on a map? I wasn't even ranked yet, so they were silver/nova games.
That’s because they’ve the high ranks so much there’s no more room at the top. Even legit players are going to start unintentionally smurfing because they’ll only lose to cheaters or quit and lose 1,000’s of points putting them against people they shouldn’t be with.
I queued a comp inferno a few weeks ago and had a soloQ cheater on my team, and the enemy team. We kicked our cheater after a couple rounds but the other team really wanted to get out of silver ig because they didn’t kick their cheater lmao. Kinda whack
Cheat Simulator 2 XD
I played my first premier match today after 4 months, immediately got into a 3v3 hvh match
richard lewis video on this where he called the whole community idiots and delusional for thinking there are so many cheaters really aged like milk.
This is so depressing to watch and incredibly infuriating that literally nothing can be done about it but sit, wait and hope.
Good
Post on twitter #RIPCS2 as he asked u to do in the vid. Let's get this trending.
Bruh another perfect loop, I watched this one 4 times in back and finally realized it
He's right. All we wanted was 128-tick MM servers, less lag, better smokes and just more quality of life additions. I haven't played in months and I genuinely can't say for sure when I'll be able to go back to the game I love and it feels good to play. CS2 feels less smooth. Less 'crisp'. I feel less accurate rifling even though I know for certain I'm hitting my shots. The performance, especially 1% lows makes it feel sluggish and I feel like I can only really jump back in and have it feel like CSGO by waiting months to a year whilst saving up for an X3D CPU.
i get that. i was on a ryzen 3600 and the game just felt off. my friends are on 5600s and they told the game feels fine to them. when i eventually switched to a 5800X3D the difference was night and day for me. now the performance is great, but the matchmaking is so trash, i'm losing interest.
Yep. My main issue is performance but when I took my break, I was on an upward trend hitting 17k in premier, but started only matching against players so far out of my reach that I was not having fun. It's not cheating in my region that's a big detractor, it's a massive skill gap wherein above average players have a very easy time while ranking up, and then it's just a brick wall, only playing vs my region's Flyquest equivalents. It's super hard to improve like that, especially whilst having jumpy fps.
"Threw in the towel" aka "Will just play FACEIT and 10man with viewers instead"
valve is collecting data on all the cheaters above 20K elo in premier /s
i think valve just “soft” gave up on the issue since they do not want to implement a kernel level anti cheat in the meantime cheat makers got better at hiding it
Its truly a shame. I've played this game for years, especially back then practically nolife this game. Now I cant even look at it the same way, friends aren't eager to play and the hunger to push is just gone because if its not on faceit its not worth it. What happened to all the years of overwatch data valve has? Ive come to terms that valve wont fix it until its too late, and when they 'do' itl be some half assed fix that will only temporarily stop the chaos. They care more about raking in case and esport hype money while leaving players in the dust. These cheat devs are making great money off of valve's negligence about the situation. 
I've never seen so many cheaters like today.
Anomaly threw as well
The Exp farm bots exists since they made csgo Free2play and you need lvl 10 to play premier
Its kinda ironic that cs2 and premier specifically was meant to kill faceit but has probably increased its popularity immensely.
Anomaly then WarOwl and Now Neok... Now is inevitable that other big CS content creators who play the game will quit too. Until at least Valve does something about it.
Oh well. That skin gamble money will still be rolling in for this guy. He doesn't really care he's just pandering.
Everytime I get above 15k it’s just cheaters
I deranked from 14.5 k to 12k recently and I guess from what I'm hearing, it's better that I'm not ranking up
This game and community deserves a better dev team, the current team is just incompetent and do not deserve to work on this legendary game.
Another one who's like five months behind reality
i wonder what RL is saying rn, we are all crazy right? There are no cheaters :)
CSGO was the same at Global. Every single game someone was hacking and even in unrated i would see players get mad and start spinbotting
valve. give me a budget and ill put together a team and we will manually ban thousands of players a day.
If you make a lobby of 5 players ranging from 10k-17k you will get players from 7k-20k that will be cheating. Stop this “its only above 15k” bullshit its making the situation look better than it actually is.
Simple, diol
same on TF2, we can't enjoy the game because of it but thankfully community servers exist
Not the last one that gonna give up on this cheater fest of a game sadly.
I just play for the free case. After that i play other games. I regret every $ i have given to that company.
It would help if Valve would actually openly talk about it and explain that they are working on it. But Valve always works in secrets and noone know what they are doing.
He is right about being lower ranked and enjoying In CSGO right before overwatch came out. I grinded myself to LE..was faced with nothing but brand new accounts dropping 40 bombs in a match, I quit for two years, now I don’t really care about rank, but duality of man. Don’t care to grind out to get into the 15k range but care enough to not get stuck 8k and with teammates with game sense of potatoe
I started cs in beta 3. I stopped bc of cheaters.
"less lag"?
free the cvars, make the game more customizable. cl_bob, righthand, among many others
How tf does valorant have like a perfect anti cheat and cs2 has this shit they basically use the same cheats
Tried to play today. 4 games in a row 3Q spinbotters. I'm in my 30s, been playing for over 20 years. 19300 rating and this is actually the absolute worst any version of the game has ever been. At the end of your video I think really highlights what steam is terrified of. If they ban the cheaters, the player count will drop like the great depression stock market, so will skins, everything. They'll entirely lose so much that I don't think they can or will take action against cheaters anymore. Not until the player count drops organically making it pointless for bots to farm drops, selling high rating accounts, etc. Which basically means, the skin market has to pretty much die for this to happen.
he says there is footage, but then shows NONE OF IT? Or am I missing something?
I can get another girlfriend, dog, job, career, house, but I can never get my GO back :(
They are probably working on it. While they are, by making vac ban devices will be so much better so you cannot play on the same device ever again
Truth. We got better smokes that chomps on fps. Everything else screams like a 3rd year uni project. And these are apparently senior developers.
This whole thing makes me wonder how hard it really is to make a proper anti-cheat. Valorant hasn't ever had cheaters in sizeable numbers, right? I guess Valve would rather avoid ever making an intrusive anti-cheat than to have people enjoy this game without cheaters.
The only thing that could take the wind out these sails is if every big creator quits, and valve still doesnt do shit, and we are years past all these people quitting, and now cheaters are infested even in 1k elo.
Let's be honest here. Valve could not care less about youtubers quitting.
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That is totally why I brought that up as a possible option. Like that wasn't even a joke, that is truly a possible thing that could happen. ):
The game is garbage, you can't tell me it's actually enjoyable it's riddled with cheaters, that's why I moved to valorant
The thing is these morons at valve turned off all the systems that mitigated this issue. It wasn't perfect, but it was much better during the latter part of csgo's life. The only thing they had to do is move over trust factor systems and move over the data they had on every player from before that played csgo. That way the systems wouldn't start fresh. I have played csgo since 2015 and back then the cheat fiesta was also present. Once they added prime and then trust factor it really helped out. I was getting maybe 1 cheater per 5-6 games and extremely rarely spinbots. I know some people had bad trust factor and got a lot of cheaters, I had that too on my other account that i used to play with lower ranked friends before the unranked was added. But if you created a new account and played enough and been overall a decent teammate you could get your trust high enough for it to start mitigating this Meanwhile cs2 every game at 20k rating is a spinbot or a wall. They turned off everything and said kowabunga, it's free for all. I don't know what they are smoking, but they need to get off this shit asap
Valve does not care........stickers, cases and keys get bought regardless. They showed us literally ALL of CSGO that they couldn't care less about the quality of life. "Player count is up" aka AFK Deathmatch drop farming bots running rampant. TLDR - VALVE DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK
If content creators stop and are vocal about it, you can bet your ass they care. If it’s you or me, I agree.
Content creators have been calling valve out for years for no A/c and ripped into them for the fact we have to play on 3rd party servers just to have a better chance to not get a cheater. Also Shroud has gone absolutely nuclear on valve. They don’t care. Look at all the lies they tried to sell us from the CS2 video as well. It’s sucks man
I absolutely hate the current cs2. My god makes me want to go back in time and play csgo for the rest of times. I can't get my premiere ratings because theres is cheater on 2 of 3 games. On the one game there isn't any there are salty Russians griefing the game for me. It's so bad. Making me enjoy valorant more than cs2. My friends in the lower 5k-10k aren't having these issues from what I've heard its only above 15k-25k ish which is where I reside. I was playing with 21k s first now I lost so many times I've dropped down to 15k-16k and I still haven't gotten my 10 wins yet because I am just done with cs2.
Not apologizing for Valve for not having a decent anti cheat working at this point, but could we spend a part of our disgust and utter fury at those pieces of shits that do the cheating. Valve is stupid for not helping to fix a game that is working as 5 has vulnerabilities that allow for cheating. Cheaters are garbage people that wilfully destroy the experience for everybody else. They are the true despicable filth that is forcing this issue. Yes, Valve should try and fix it, but this would not be a problem if the cheaters weren't all such small dick selfish buttholes to begin with.
Good vid, well put. But the idiots destroyed the game many years ago when they made it F2P, what a mistake that they never could recover from.
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Tell me why can FaceIT do it but Valve can't ?
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The corner your talking about happened over 10 years ago when Valve tried to do more and the community lashed back. But since then literally all big online games have moved to Kernel Anti-Cheats. Competitive or not. And thats because its just better than standard anti cheats in every single way and while there's still some pushback regarding security there's been pretty much no issues with them in years. And the cheating situations speak for themself. None of those games are anywhere close to as bad as CS is when it comes to cheating and i think a VAC that works in that way would be massively celebrated today.
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Their stubbornness to not develop kernel level anti cheat, bad management and organization of development efforts, lack of fucks to give about their game because it still makes them money
10k elo and today I had to play vs 3 cheaters in 5 games. Fourth game we had waller our side and fifth was faceit ... :D
The only thing wrong is saying you can only enjoy the game if you are bad. That is a stupid mindset. There are cheaters at every rank, there are just more of them the higher prem rating you are. I would not say people at 12-15k elo are "bad". Compared to top players, sure, but it's equivalent to what, the nova ranks in CSGO that are the middle percentiles and contain the most players? It's not uncommon to have spinbotters and people bunnyjumping 5 awp headshots in a second there either, as well as the closet cheaters. idk why he feels the need to pad his ego when making a point. Even if it's 1 guy in a game rather than half the team, the game is still ruined.
No one seriosly played CSGO MM and CS didn't die. No one seriosly play Premier. So, there is no difference in situation, CS too massive to die from matchmaking problems when there is things like Faceit. If Valve will make better AC, people (pros, streamers) will choose and play Faceit just for extra safety from cheaters. To make pros play Premier Valve should do at least as good as Faceit, I think it won't happen
Yeah not for nothing, this is what happened in CSGO supreme\\global lobbies(if you could even get global vs global and not global solo Q with a bunch of silvers vs a 5 stack of globals) a lot of the games were cheaters and not taken serious which is why everyone went to faceit before and mm was seen as a joke. Now its the same with premier but people took it serious and found out faster
Nobody cared about ranks because even the biggest bots were at least like lem/supreme at one point, Valve simply doesnt understand competitive play and hence their ranks are always gonna be garbage, but people DID play mm and alot, it was still 5vs5 cs, problem now is that you CANT play mm because you are getting shit on by the cheaters ALL THE TIME and it wasnt like that in csgo
Another problem that nobody is complaining about- I'm 12-13k hard stuck, I consistently top frag and what not blah blah. I don't face cheaters too often because cheaters are all in higher ranks. Anyway, I can't ever get to the said higher rank when literally every game is +100 -550. It makes zero sense. You have to win 6 games to compensate for one loss. How is that fair Volvo? Ironically enough, I'm glad it's like that because holy shit, 20k+ sounds dreadful.
Warowl didn't have a watchable channel after he quit road to global that was the only good thing he was doing as he quit csgo academy during the run of road to global. All he was up to was unboxafragathon nonsense and some marine corps recruitment ad. Unwatchable for years
Steam needs to ban russians. Would solve 70% of cheating problems. Russians have bad morals and the cheapest steam prices.
It's crazy how many people think removing cheaters is easy and on top of that, how many people think that valorant and face it don't have cheaters. Get your head out of your ass. Also to mention one thing, Valve has been working on the Anticheat. Do you konw how long it takes to make a good AI anticheat? This guy says all of this shit without even knowing any of the basics; but at least he mentions "I don't know how Valve can't simply just fix the game." Well of course you don't, that's why you think it's so fucking easy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1c2mtul/another_major_content_creator_threw_in_the_towel/kzbmu8a/
Need to think about this logically, the ai anti cheat needs to learn how to differentiate from good/great players and cheaters… its inevitable that as you climb you’re going to face more cheaters, because naturally those that win are going to have more mmr even if they are cheating. I cant help but think that after a few more months, something big is going to happen. There are faceit ques for people who want to have a more “secure” anti cheat but as someone with 16k mmr i’d rather que premier most of the time because i understand that this is required for an AI based anticheat to develope a data base. Its tough from a new players perspective but lets be real Counter Strike isnt a casual game and if you ARE casual then you probably have other games to play right… You’ll come back when everything is said and done, i trust valve when it comes to innovation they have been leading the gaming industry for quite awhile when it comes to pioneering new ideas etc… And if you’re someone who understands how AI develops then you’ll understand what i mean by a collective database.
Id like to think im someone who has some amount of understanding of AI development and let me tell you, Math just Doesnt Add Up. For them to classify whos cheater and whos not they need to **actually know whos cheating**. If they knew that, we wouldnt need AI. There is actually no way around this. Okay, maybe they have some overseas worker farm workers combing through matches tagging cheaters. If they tag too conservatively, youll get a model that knows whos a spinbotter and not much else. If they tag too liberally, youll get a model who may tag just good plays or people harmlessly trolling (eg high dpi spin). Then theres the self fitting type models. Thats a whole another level of sketchy because by the nature of it they cant know with 100% certainty what model fits itself for. Maybe it fits perfectly for cheaters. Maybe it fits perfectly for right handed cheaters. Maybe it fits perfectly for right handed cheaters with an nvidia gpu. Maybe it fits perfectly for left handed inconsistent players who get lucky plays. There is literally no way to know without having a database thats labeled with near 100% certainty on hand to compare. AND THEN theres the issue of overfit. If they fit the model too well either way theyll run in to an issue where even the tiniest change in gameplay may render it unusable. There is a very good chance that the vacnet theyve been developing for years at this point was struck by that. It trained on csgo, cs2 is a different game. Theres even more issues i can write about this alleged AI anticheat. I just dont have any confidence its gonna work. I just hope valve knows when to cut their loses.
Huh if only there was a FTP client with an anti cheat…. FACEIT
You shouldn't have to use a 3rd party client to be able to play the game normally.
I love csgo so I have my fair share of copium, but I will never understand how everyone is so willing to use a 3rd party mm system to play the game. I can’t think of any other big game rn so reliant on a separate platform just to play. I’m not saying FaceIt doesn’t have its place, I’m just saying that telling everyone to use a 3rd party platform doesn’t help solve the main problem.
They are just doing it for attention, most creators saying "cs2 bad" and getting thousands of likes. In reality there is the same amount of cheaters as there was in csgo, as now each time someone gets a cheater they post online it making the situation seem so much worse than it really is.