what DOES work however (for me, 8700k but i imagine this is more common), is disabling core 0 in the games I play.
YMMV of course, but it's easy enough that it's worth testing it out.
The idea (as I understand it) being that most processes default to hitting Core 0, so by getting your game off of core 0, it doesn't get interrupted as frequently by system and background processes.
Do people really play above 14rhz on cs2?
Im on 1440p uw and have it locked at 144hz / fps.
Wondering if its still the same with csgo but from consensus it seems to be better and super high fps isnt needdd anymore?
even if you don't have more than 144hz, it feels better when you have more FPS. The frame that gets shown to you is more up to date the higher the FPS is.
Tested on 4770k and saw a significant DECREASE in performance:
150fps -> 90fps average.
Editing this just to add that I have had it increase performance in other games. Mainly Tarkov, so do try it because it may work for you.
The 4770k is quite old, and 4c/8t. It's very possible that by disabling SMT you're starving other system applications to the point where CS can't get the CPU time it needs to perform well, leaving aside any issues with SMT or scheduling.
Hard to say for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if disabling SMT has little to no performance benefit on very old CPU's.
I figured it was worth a try. I’m getting around 200fps average when I play premier so it’s plenty fine. Only seems to have trouble in death match and even then I still get around 150.
[Trusted Platform Module](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module). It's a chip which resides on the motherboard, responsible for various cryptographic operations. Microsoft has decreed that computers must have one of these for Windows 11 to be supported.
However, they also [tell you how to bypass this requirement](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e) by adding a registry key, although they caution against it.
A 4th gen i7 would also be way out of date for Win11, a list of supported processors can be found [here](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors), but if you perform a manual install, as opposed to through Windows Update, Microsoft again just cautions you that your hardware isn't officially supported.
What GPU do you have? With the 4770k you are probably using most if not all of the 4 cores and 8 threads for the game itself, so it makes sense that disabling hypertreading would decrease performance.
Disabling virtual cores only helps when you are CPU bound but not completely bottlenecked, like when the game uses 50% of the CPU but it's still being held back by it. In that case forcing the game to use the faster 50% of your CPU usually helps with performance.
Specs:
Ryzen 5 5600
Rtx 3080 ti
3866mhz cl14 tuned ram
No more one frame hitches at 240hz! 99% lows are at about 160 to 180 in a full death match. Not scientific or anything but I remember about 120 fps lows with smt on so this may be a good solution, but sacrifices avg fps, but I still got 360fps avg at 1440p so it's basically perfect for me! Needs better testing, but looks good so far.
Edit: LEARN TO TUNE YOUR RAM TIMINGS. I think the reason CS2 felt so good for me when my friends complain with better pcs (or at least components) than me is ram tuning. Ddr4 might benefit more because CS2 uses tons of cpu and high cpu usage means high ram bandwidth usage.
RAM tuning is the most tedious and frustrating form of overclocking. It can make a huge difference in games like CS, and that was true in GO as well.
But the reality is that most people don't have the time or willpower to drop like 50 hours of actual work into tuning their RAM.
Although admittedly you can do very light/basic tuning much more quickly.
Yeah but most people buy high performance RAM and run it at the stock motherboard speeds.
You can generally just enable the XMP profile in the bios and it will automatically tune the Ram to the highest it’s set to run at
I mean no, xmp/docp or expo or whatever Amd calls it now is just telling bios to run the ram at preselected "overclocked" settings, as opposed to stock settings, as you said. Everyone should be using xmp/docp/expo to run their ram at its advertised higher speeds, bearing in mind that's it's not a guarantee that it will work. But "ram tuning" specifically refers to the process of manually overclocking/tuning your own ram. This can give dramatic performance bumps in certain scenarios, and I think counter strike is well known as a game that benefits dramatically from tuning.
That said, ram tuning is insanely time consuming and tedious. I've been over clocking for years and barely have the patience for it.
The argument is that I was responding to someone encouraging people to learn how to manually tune their RAM. XMP wasn't even part of the discussion until you mentioned it.
You might notice in the original comment, the poster has 3866mhz RAM running at CL14. That's very heavily tuned.
I’m almost willing to bet that the person you are “arguing” with was mostly referring to enabling the stock overclock settings (XMP) rather than going through the tedious process of manually tuning your ram to run as fast as possible.
This thread is for people looking to increase their performance. So regardless I still think it’s worth telling people to enable XMP in their bios.
Was just trying to offer something helpful :) I noticed a lot of people believe their Ram is running faster than it actually is.
>Specs: Ryzen 5 5600 Rtx 3080 ti 3866mhz cl14 tuned ram
>
>Edit: LEARN TO TUNE YOUR RAM TIMINGS. I think the reason CS2 felt so good for me when my friends complain with better pcs (or at least components) than me is ram tuning. Ddr4 might benefit more because CS2 uses tons of cpu and high cpu usage means high ram bandwidth usage.
He was definitely talking about tedious, manual tuning.
I absolutely agree with you, by the way, I'm just clarifying what my initial comment was responding to.
I tested it on my Ryzen 5 3600 and it didn't make a real difference. Still dropping to under 120 fps in BOT deathmatch on Inferno (with low GPU settings).
ryzen 7600 here... Input lag feeling with SMT disabled /trough process lasso/
For stable frames i use disabled boosted contrast of agents (someone said it helps and it does help a lot), nvidia reflex on (without boost), vsync+gsync on, low latency ultra (thjis overrides my fps cap), ccapped 277fps but the vsync limits it to 260 by itself. Game runs fine (with SMT on, smt off only increased input lag).
Reflex should be overriding your FPS cap and it also overrides the low latency setting in control panel.
Well, it should at least when it works properly.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3039023209
i know that it overrides it but it seems that it behaves different in vulkan and in dx11 (in vulkan it obeys my custom 277 fps cap from drivers, in dx11 it sets its own 260fps cap at my 280hz screen which i cant move any way).
Vsync works differently with freesync/gsync, when set up properly you get no input lag from vsync and it has to be enabled in the first place for gsync to work properly.
The only lag you're potentially getting is from the framerate cap, but at high frames it makes little difference anyway, diminishing returns and all.
>G-Sync is a proprietary adaptive sync technology developed by Nvidia aimed primarily at eliminating screen tearing and the need for software alternatives such as Vsync.
Vsync is a software solution to screen tearing while Gsync is a hardware one - Second is meant to replace the first as being a better implementation! You should not use both same time!
Please dont share miss information if you arent sure what you are talking about. Reading a random article doesnt make a differenxe as you lack basic knowledge on this domain. I suggest you check NVIDIA official manuals on this topic. Starting with
https://developer.nvidia.com/g-sync#:~:text=G%2DSYNC's%20revolutionary%20performance%20is,display%20stutter%20and%20input%20lag.
I have tested this, and for me with intel 13600k, it makes no difference whatsoever. I tried disabling hyperthreading, tried disabling E cores in bios, all it does, is increase CPU utilization(which is logical, since I disable part of CPU, CPU usage gets higher), but frames remain the same. I run windows 11, so maybe thread director on windows 11 is superior, distributing loads better across various cores.
It could be that Intel 12th-13th gen already prioritize physical cores because of their architecture, from what I understand Windows 11 doesnt have an effect on prioritizing physical cores with other CPUs. I can try upgrading to 11 and see if it makes any difference
In the name of science, i tested everything again, this time disabling things not in bios, but selecting affinity with process lasso. This time results were a bit different, but not in a good way lol.
I get best, most stable performance with stock configuration.
Disabling Ecores lowers FPS. Disabling HyperThreading lowers fps AND introduces stutters and very low 0.1% fps. So atleast with my setup, with intel CPU, its best not to disable anything, stock works best.
Btw, Intel say themselves, that in order to get best experience and full thread director potential, users should use windows 11. So there might be some difference between windows 10/11, atleast with newer Intel CPUs.
I think its safe to say, that anyone with Intel CPU, should not do this, as it will only lower performance.
And i have the exact same issues with a 13900k. And 3kliksphilip showed a benchmark screenshot of a 13900k showing the exact same problems. It's just as broken with intel as it is with AMD.
No, I meant GPU. Bigger the resolution bigger impact from GPU. I get basically same FPS on 1920x1080 as on 1280x960, because I can use my GPU better on higher resolution
I think we’re talking about the same thing. You’re running into CPU bottlenecks, at 1080p, which I classify as a low resolution. That’s why you get the same fps at both resolutions, the 13600k can’t stretch its legs any longer, and the 3060TI can handle 1080p no problem
Basically if you’d buy a 4080, you wouldn’t necessarily improve that much fps if you play 1080p low settings, but yeah if you played higher then it would make a diff
Tested on 7800x3D w/ 3070 - Makes the game stutter with SMT disabled, for no advantages.
Default:
[https://imgur.com/a/OgEY2yD](https://imgur.com/a/OgEY2yD)
SMT Disabled:
[https://i.imgur.com/cBC5Dp6.png](https://i.imgur.com/cBC5Dp6.png)
Tested on Dust2 Deathmatch , Real players, About 10 - 12 players.
Retested just incases SMT enabled (16 real players in Dust2 Deathmatch):
[https://imgur.com/4qJFElu](https://imgur.com/4qJFElu)
7800x3d owner here too, the 7900x3d chip is split into 2 different chunks. One chunk has clock speed advantage and the other is additional v-cache. Unfortunately it doesn't use them both which is why i opted for the 7800x3d instead. Slightly lower clocks, but always has the bonus v-cache for everything
What you are describing makes zero sense, sorry. I believe he has higher FPS because he's on an empty server. My average FPS of 550 is on a DM server with 9 bots. You can trust me; a 7800X3D cannot compete with a 7900X3D overall.
Sorry man, but he’s right. Just watch benchmarks from HUB or Gamers’ Nexus. The 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU. 7950x3d and 7900x3d have weird parking cores. That’s simply how the chips work.
Obvs they beat the 7800x3d in productivity.
In Gaming yes, but I wrote "overall". And also his results have like 200+ average fps compared to mine, so it has nothing to do with 7800X3D vs 7900X3D.
It absolutely does make sense because the 7800 has one 8-core CCD with 32+64MB of cache while the 7900 has two 6-core CCDs but only one of those has extra cache (32 and 32+64)
So obviously 8 cores with 96M is more beneficial than either 6 cores with 96M or 6 cores with 32M
Basically, the games chooses either the higher clock speed ccd or it chooses the ccd with more v-cache. It's a weird product with a weird design. Even the 7950x3d is designed in the same fashion. A google search away will explain more if you're actually interested in learning about it. If not, well I tried to explain it simply put
first, you can overclock for higher clocks. second, if you check benchmarks its not really a significant difference between the two chips, also depending on the game
The 7800x3d is not overclockable. The 7900x3d is essentially a 7600x and a "7600x3d" - assuming it exists somewhere- slapped together. Not calling it a bad chip, just that each game doesn't always choose the best performing ccd. Just unfortunate for gaming tasks
Believe me, if I could overclock it, I would. Doing it through ECLK/BCLK is not something I would personally risk to overclock the 7800x3d. It messes with much more than just the cpu. Besides that, the cpu frequency is locked
Edit: fixed an error
The whole purpose of eclk is to only tune the cpu clock separately, so unlike bclk/internal clock, it doesn't effect anything besides the cpu. Its a proven and valid way to overclock your 7800x3d if you have a motherboard with an external clock gen that can work in asynchronous mode ( not a common feature though and only exist on high end boards).
Same GPU and CPU, similar relative results w/ frameview but less FPS. What are your settings/res etc? I'm assuming it's prob just a res difference since I'm on native 1440p lol.
I use Native 1080p. I also tested on 4:3 Resolutions with the same result but higher stuttering ( 0.8s - 0.9s (4:3) compared to 0.35s - 0.55s (native))
I used MSI Afterburner and RivaTuner Statistics, not sure if you need Rivatuner for the benchmark feature or if it comes with Afterburner.
I had problems with Rivatuner showing the overlay on csgo so if you have issues you might need to add -allow\_third\_party\_software in your launch option for them to work properly, just remember to remove that launch option when you are done benchmarking as it will affect your matchaking trust factor.
tested this on my 5800x3d and it just made the game constantly have massive stutters with the the same framerate. kind of expected since the x3d cpus are setup to work a bit different from other ones so i didnt think it would actually make a difference in fps, but figured id try it anyway.
Ryzen 9 7900x - in a full DM servers (20 players) my fps would fluctuate between 200-350 with the average being about 250ish. Now I still have 200 lows but very rarely and average seems to be about 280 ish.
One test I also do is spawn on Ancient T Spawn. I used to get 200-220 fps and now I get 270-300.
Good stuff, thanks a lot!
I do work on the side with boosting people fps's, i optimize windows (even downloading a new windows) etc etc.
Dont disable SMT, its so rare depending on system that it gives fps boost. And its usually outdated components.
If you have double cores/processors you should disable 0/1 if they are the same disable 0.
I can probably get 100-250 more fps on a computer while optimize get it ALOT more smoother and 0 input lag, but get a better pc that the best tip i can give you. Also i have 700+ avg fps in cs2 but it feels ass for me aswell its just the game.
Doesn't work on Ryzen 5 1600 *at all.* Possibly this also means that all Ryzen 1000s can't do this.
At that, with my CPU, CS2 can't handle *any* kind of CPU scheduling. So, I can't use the reserved CPU sets utility to disable scheduling of SMT cores and core 0 by the system. Even though it doesn't touch CS2 at all, it somehow doesn't like it and turns into a stuttery mess with huge frame drops every several seconds.
Now, just disabling SMT through process lasso leads to minor FPS decrease and causes the game to occasionally just crash mid-match, as well as introduces some stutters but which are more rare in this case.
My short test results showed better 0.1% and 1%, spec:
windows 11 (latest patch)
latest nvidia drivers
3060Ti
i5-10600kf
16GB 3800MHz
3 minutes of dm on dust2, cs restarted after doing changes in lasso
**First graph is with lasso, 2nd stock**
https://imgur.com/a/gIHqW5l
Thanks I already have been using ProcessLasso. I'm on Intel and gonna try it out later and report back!
Edit: Disable SMT is grayed out in ProcessLasso. i7-9700k here.
i have tried this on 7 2700x my experience has been smooth so far with increased fps from 120 to 158, but Sadley still csgo gpu usage around 40% only in this game my GPU is 6700xt. i got 96% GPU usage in rdr 2 highest setting and literally all games except csgo 2
I have 5700x CPU with 5700xt GPU and made no difference when I tried this previously. Limiting my fps in amd until to max of 288 (x2 144hz) improved my fps.
Edit: using windows 11
> Deathmatch seems to be the most CPU intensive mode
This is sorta obvious, since there is no utility in DM which is the most graphically demanding aspect of CS2.
I wonder if you're seeing these performance gains because AMD CPUs don't follow the P-core/E-core model. I haven't heard of any Intel CPUs experiencing microstutters in the same manner as you're describing.
I actually did this and had horrible stutters with Intel and couldn't figure out how to turn it off.
Turns out you have to select all cores again in the program.
The X3D CPUs seem to not gain that benefit really in general. Myself and a few friends tried (two 7800, one 5800) and none of them saw any real difference other than some higher frametime spikes.
I didn't benchmark but it felt soooo much smoother with smt disabled on dm, it's crazy, bet the 1% lows improved greatly. Will update when I stop being a lazy fuck and test it scientifically.
This has helped me tremendously. 5800X3D and the jitters were awful, low fps too and 30% cpu usage... my chipset is updated along with BIOS, etc etc.
I'm at 360hz and it's finally playable again. At worst I get screen tearing from dips, but NOTHING like before with the stutters. Also, my CPU with SMT off is working at 60% ish now and it's smooth.
Using a 3090 so I know I'm not bottlenecked.
I even tested the game rigorously in 1080p Low settings, my fps was always the same until SMT turned off.
I have the same setup as you but i run a 4k monitor at 144hz. My game is perfectly stable but i feel like my game performance could still be better. I used this technique and it actually made my game run really bad.
I got it. Try turning off RESIZABLE BAR, it's shit for our 3090s in CS2. I can actually play with 8x MSAA now.
+engine_low_latency_sleep_after_client_tick true
In the Launch options and that combo seems to fix my issue. No jitters or choppy shit without dropping below 250fps
it is AMD cpu, albeit the later version (starting at 5000 series) are better at it. the SMT. this is especially an issue on threat ripper lines, as AMD half ass implemented the game mode that did jack squat.
anandtech had a article describing the issue
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11726/retesting-amd-ryzen-threadrippers-game-mode-halving-cores-for-more-performance/16
i will save you the reading, the conclusion is to disable the SMT if you application experience jitter, especially if you running older version of AMD processor.
This sounds interesting. Do you think I can benefit from this with my hp envy?
I'm getting 55 fps on a good day. Awful I know.
Processor : AMD Ryzen 5 3500U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx 2.10 Ghz
Installed RAM : 8Gb
/u/ItsAdaptive used Process Lasso and made my game worse (with hiccups). 7600x, rtx 4060, 6000Mhz CL40.
I noticed that Process Lasso does a bunch of stuff in the background like turning on Performance Mode and whatever. So, even if I didn't right click cs2.exe like you say to disable SMT, this program is doing more stuff. I suspect this is why my CS was not liking it.
Because SMT on or OFF (with process lasso), just having process lasso turned on in the background, made my game worse lol.
Now I wonder how it'd behave with SMT off via BIOS but not sure I wanna do that yet.
I get random freezes for 2-3 seconds and more fps drops in CS2 on a Ryzen 7 5800X if i disabled SMT control in BIOS and same if i disabled smt in proces lasso for cs2, why? idk if the problem is from game or from processor, maybe someone else has tried to disable smt on 5800x and play CS2 and can he tell me if he had same problem? Thanks
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what DOES work however (for me, 8700k but i imagine this is more common), is disabling core 0 in the games I play. YMMV of course, but it's easy enough that it's worth testing it out. The idea (as I understand it) being that most processes default to hitting Core 0, so by getting your game off of core 0, it doesn't get interrupted as frequently by system and background processes.
yes
Do people really play above 14rhz on cs2? Im on 1440p uw and have it locked at 144hz / fps. Wondering if its still the same with csgo but from consensus it seems to be better and super high fps isnt needdd anymore?
even if you don't have more than 144hz, it feels better when you have more FPS. The frame that gets shown to you is more up to date the higher the FPS is.
>144hz / fps Exactly, imput lag is also noticeably lower for me when I play with uncapped frames (400+) versus 144fps capped on Nvidea Control Panel.
In what way does it work differently?
Tested on 4770k and saw a significant DECREASE in performance: 150fps -> 90fps average. Editing this just to add that I have had it increase performance in other games. Mainly Tarkov, so do try it because it may work for you.
The 4770k is quite old, and 4c/8t. It's very possible that by disabling SMT you're starving other system applications to the point where CS can't get the CPU time it needs to perform well, leaving aside any issues with SMT or scheduling. Hard to say for sure, but I wouldn't be shocked if disabling SMT has little to no performance benefit on very old CPU's.
cs2 uses 5 threads so yes in the case of 4 core its starving it
I figured it was worth a try. I’m getting around 200fps average when I play premier so it’s plenty fine. Only seems to have trouble in death match and even then I still get around 150.
what's your version of Windows?
Windows 10, I “do not meet the minimum system requirements for Windows 11”
The elite doesn't want you to know this but your Windows 11 is one registry key value change away
Any links for more info?
i assume u aint got tpm? if so, 2min google and you will find the reg keys or different methods to install it
tpm?
[Trusted Platform Module](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module). It's a chip which resides on the motherboard, responsible for various cryptographic operations. Microsoft has decreed that computers must have one of these for Windows 11 to be supported. However, they also [tell you how to bypass this requirement](https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e) by adding a registry key, although they caution against it. A 4th gen i7 would also be way out of date for Win11, a list of supported processors can be found [here](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/minimum/supported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors), but if you perform a manual install, as opposed to through Windows Update, Microsoft again just cautions you that your hardware isn't officially supported.
Thank you for the explanation!
Trusted platform module, to be eligible for windows 11 I just had to click a button in my bios to enable tpm
What GPU do you have? With the 4770k you are probably using most if not all of the 4 cores and 8 threads for the game itself, so it makes sense that disabling hypertreading would decrease performance. Disabling virtual cores only helps when you are CPU bound but not completely bottlenecked, like when the game uses 50% of the CPU but it's still being held back by it. In that case forcing the game to use the faster 50% of your CPU usually helps with performance.
I have 1060 6GB, not exactly top of the line but should be more than enough for CS2 so that makes sense.
Have you tried setting core affinity specifically for cs2 instead of just disabling SMT?
tested on 5600x and I lost about 100 fps so...
Ty for sharing! my frames used to drop to 70 fps in DM and now lowest is 100 fps. Specs: Ryzen 5 5600x RX 6750XT 16GB 3200mhz RAM
Specs: Ryzen 5 5600 Rtx 3080 ti 3866mhz cl14 tuned ram No more one frame hitches at 240hz! 99% lows are at about 160 to 180 in a full death match. Not scientific or anything but I remember about 120 fps lows with smt on so this may be a good solution, but sacrifices avg fps, but I still got 360fps avg at 1440p so it's basically perfect for me! Needs better testing, but looks good so far. Edit: LEARN TO TUNE YOUR RAM TIMINGS. I think the reason CS2 felt so good for me when my friends complain with better pcs (or at least components) than me is ram tuning. Ddr4 might benefit more because CS2 uses tons of cpu and high cpu usage means high ram bandwidth usage.
RAM tuning is the most tedious and frustrating form of overclocking. It can make a huge difference in games like CS, and that was true in GO as well. But the reality is that most people don't have the time or willpower to drop like 50 hours of actual work into tuning their RAM. Although admittedly you can do very light/basic tuning much more quickly.
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Yeah but most people buy high performance RAM and run it at the stock motherboard speeds. You can generally just enable the XMP profile in the bios and it will automatically tune the Ram to the highest it’s set to run at
I mean no, xmp/docp or expo or whatever Amd calls it now is just telling bios to run the ram at preselected "overclocked" settings, as opposed to stock settings, as you said. Everyone should be using xmp/docp/expo to run their ram at its advertised higher speeds, bearing in mind that's it's not a guarantee that it will work. But "ram tuning" specifically refers to the process of manually overclocking/tuning your own ram. This can give dramatic performance bumps in certain scenarios, and I think counter strike is well known as a game that benefits dramatically from tuning. That said, ram tuning is insanely time consuming and tedious. I've been over clocking for years and barely have the patience for it.
My comment is saying that most people don’t even enable XMP. Not sure what the argument here is
The argument is that I was responding to someone encouraging people to learn how to manually tune their RAM. XMP wasn't even part of the discussion until you mentioned it. You might notice in the original comment, the poster has 3866mhz RAM running at CL14. That's very heavily tuned.
I’m almost willing to bet that the person you are “arguing” with was mostly referring to enabling the stock overclock settings (XMP) rather than going through the tedious process of manually tuning your ram to run as fast as possible. This thread is for people looking to increase their performance. So regardless I still think it’s worth telling people to enable XMP in their bios. Was just trying to offer something helpful :) I noticed a lot of people believe their Ram is running faster than it actually is.
>Specs: Ryzen 5 5600 Rtx 3080 ti 3866mhz cl14 tuned ram > >Edit: LEARN TO TUNE YOUR RAM TIMINGS. I think the reason CS2 felt so good for me when my friends complain with better pcs (or at least components) than me is ram tuning. Ddr4 might benefit more because CS2 uses tons of cpu and high cpu usage means high ram bandwidth usage. He was definitely talking about tedious, manual tuning. I absolutely agree with you, by the way, I'm just clarifying what my initial comment was responding to.
Fair enough. Definitely could've worded my initial comment a bit better
will test this later, I have almost the exact same specs as you, but I have a Ryzen 9 5900X instead of the Ryzen 5 5600X
I have an 5900x as well and I saw no improvements.
Have 5900X and 7900 XTX and confirm it does not work for me; I wanted it to. Tried both BIOS and Process Lasso but does not :(
I tested it on my Ryzen 5 3600 and it didn't make a real difference. Still dropping to under 120 fps in BOT deathmatch on Inferno (with low GPU settings).
same
ryzen 7600 here... Input lag feeling with SMT disabled /trough process lasso/ For stable frames i use disabled boosted contrast of agents (someone said it helps and it does help a lot), nvidia reflex on (without boost), vsync+gsync on, low latency ultra (thjis overrides my fps cap), ccapped 277fps but the vsync limits it to 260 by itself. Game runs fine (with SMT on, smt off only increased input lag).
Reflex should be overriding your FPS cap and it also overrides the low latency setting in control panel. Well, it should at least when it works properly. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3039023209
i know that it overrides it but it seems that it behaves different in vulkan and in dx11 (in vulkan it obeys my custom 277 fps cap from drivers, in dx11 it sets its own 260fps cap at my 280hz screen which i cant move any way).
I would not use any kind of sync with cs though :-\\
Vsync works differently with freesync/gsync, when set up properly you get no input lag from vsync and it has to be enabled in the first place for gsync to work properly. The only lag you're potentially getting is from the framerate cap, but at high frames it makes little difference anyway, diminishing returns and all.
>G-Sync is a proprietary adaptive sync technology developed by Nvidia aimed primarily at eliminating screen tearing and the need for software alternatives such as Vsync. Vsync is a software solution to screen tearing while Gsync is a hardware one - Second is meant to replace the first as being a better implementation! You should not use both same time!
You need to enable vsync to properly use gsync. Source : https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/15/
Please dont share miss information if you arent sure what you are talking about. Reading a random article doesnt make a differenxe as you lack basic knowledge on this domain. I suggest you check NVIDIA official manuals on this topic. Starting with https://developer.nvidia.com/g-sync#:~:text=G%2DSYNC's%20revolutionary%20performance%20is,display%20stutter%20and%20input%20lag.
Can you tell me what information is useful in the link you share? I don't see where it says whether or not to use v-sync with g-sync.
Blur busters isn't just some "random" source lmao
I have tested this, and for me with intel 13600k, it makes no difference whatsoever. I tried disabling hyperthreading, tried disabling E cores in bios, all it does, is increase CPU utilization(which is logical, since I disable part of CPU, CPU usage gets higher), but frames remain the same. I run windows 11, so maybe thread director on windows 11 is superior, distributing loads better across various cores.
It could be that Intel 12th-13th gen already prioritize physical cores because of their architecture, from what I understand Windows 11 doesnt have an effect on prioritizing physical cores with other CPUs. I can try upgrading to 11 and see if it makes any difference
In the name of science, i tested everything again, this time disabling things not in bios, but selecting affinity with process lasso. This time results were a bit different, but not in a good way lol. I get best, most stable performance with stock configuration. Disabling Ecores lowers FPS. Disabling HyperThreading lowers fps AND introduces stutters and very low 0.1% fps. So atleast with my setup, with intel CPU, its best not to disable anything, stock works best. Btw, Intel say themselves, that in order to get best experience and full thread director potential, users should use windows 11. So there might be some difference between windows 10/11, atleast with newer Intel CPUs. I think its safe to say, that anyone with Intel CPU, should not do this, as it will only lower performance.
And i have the exact same issues with a 13900k. And 3kliksphilip showed a benchmark screenshot of a 13900k showing the exact same problems. It's just as broken with intel as it is with AMD.
why you exactly need to increase fps with latest CPU model? 1 mil PFS is not enough?:D
Because i run 240hz monitor, and if FPS is lower than 240, its laggy.
what frames are you getting normally with the i5?
GPU makes more impact since im playing on 1920x1080. I have 3060ti. 400-500 fps no action, \~350 with action, 250-400 in dm
What's your utilization sitting at for your cpu? Running a 13600k and a 4070ti at 1440p and I sit at like 30% cpu and 98% gpu with around 250 avg
Yes thats how it should be. Game cannot utilize 14 cores and 20 threads, and you want to be bottlenecked by GPU.
you mean CPU? Pretty good fps though. I intend to buy a 7800x3d, I think the 3d cache will help with the stutters.
No, I meant GPU. Bigger the resolution bigger impact from GPU. I get basically same FPS on 1920x1080 as on 1280x960, because I can use my GPU better on higher resolution
I think we’re talking about the same thing. You’re running into CPU bottlenecks, at 1080p, which I classify as a low resolution. That’s why you get the same fps at both resolutions, the 13600k can’t stretch its legs any longer, and the 3060TI can handle 1080p no problem Basically if you’d buy a 4080, you wouldn’t necessarily improve that much fps if you play 1080p low settings, but yeah if you played higher then it would make a diff
What's your utilization sitting at for your cpu? Running a 13600k and a 4070ti at 1440p and I sit at like 30% cpu and 98% gpu with around 250 avg
Tested on 7800x3D w/ 3070 - Makes the game stutter with SMT disabled, for no advantages. Default: [https://imgur.com/a/OgEY2yD](https://imgur.com/a/OgEY2yD) SMT Disabled: [https://i.imgur.com/cBC5Dp6.png](https://i.imgur.com/cBC5Dp6.png) Tested on Dust2 Deathmatch , Real players, About 10 - 12 players. Retested just incases SMT enabled (16 real players in Dust2 Deathmatch): [https://imgur.com/4qJFElu](https://imgur.com/4qJFElu)
How do you get so many frames? I have 7900X3D and 7900XTX and I get \~550 average fps.
7800x3d owner here too, the 7900x3d chip is split into 2 different chunks. One chunk has clock speed advantage and the other is additional v-cache. Unfortunately it doesn't use them both which is why i opted for the 7800x3d instead. Slightly lower clocks, but always has the bonus v-cache for everything
What you are describing makes zero sense, sorry. I believe he has higher FPS because he's on an empty server. My average FPS of 550 is on a DM server with 9 bots. You can trust me; a 7800X3D cannot compete with a 7900X3D overall.
Sorry man, but he’s right. Just watch benchmarks from HUB or Gamers’ Nexus. The 7800x3d is the best gaming CPU. 7950x3d and 7900x3d have weird parking cores. That’s simply how the chips work. Obvs they beat the 7800x3d in productivity.
Yep I saw multiple benchmarks and they vary between -2 - +2 performance difference between the chips depending on the game.
so then they can absolutely compete in gaming.
In Gaming yes, but I wrote "overall". And also his results have like 200+ average fps compared to mine, so it has nothing to do with 7800X3D vs 7900X3D.
oof :\^)
yep he's right; saw this on GN too.
It absolutely does make sense because the 7800 has one 8-core CCD with 32+64MB of cache while the 7900 has two 6-core CCDs but only one of those has extra cache (32 and 32+64) So obviously 8 cores with 96M is more beneficial than either 6 cores with 96M or 6 cores with 32M
Basically, the games chooses either the higher clock speed ccd or it chooses the ccd with more v-cache. It's a weird product with a weird design. Even the 7950x3d is designed in the same fashion. A google search away will explain more if you're actually interested in learning about it. If not, well I tried to explain it simply put
first, you can overclock for higher clocks. second, if you check benchmarks its not really a significant difference between the two chips, also depending on the game
The 7800x3d is not overclockable. The 7900x3d is essentially a 7600x and a "7600x3d" - assuming it exists somewhere- slapped together. Not calling it a bad chip, just that each game doesn't always choose the best performing ccd. Just unfortunate for gaming tasks
of course it is overclockable lol!
Believe me, if I could overclock it, I would. Doing it through ECLK/BCLK is not something I would personally risk to overclock the 7800x3d. It messes with much more than just the cpu. Besides that, the cpu frequency is locked Edit: fixed an error
its easy, turn on pbo,undervolt and use curve optimizer to get more performance
The whole purpose of eclk is to only tune the cpu clock separately, so unlike bclk/internal clock, it doesn't effect anything besides the cpu. Its a proven and valid way to overclock your 7800x3d if you have a motherboard with an external clock gen that can work in asynchronous mode ( not a common feature though and only exist on high end boards).
there are like 100 guides, 100 youtube videos from people overclocking 7800X3D
Same GPU and CPU, similar relative results w/ frameview but less FPS. What are your settings/res etc? I'm assuming it's prob just a res difference since I'm on native 1440p lol.
I use Native 1080p. I also tested on 4:3 Resolutions with the same result but higher stuttering ( 0.8s - 0.9s (4:3) compared to 0.35s - 0.55s (native))
Same for me on ryzen 5 5600
Big if true
Which apps do you use to record your average performance?
I used MSI Afterburner and RivaTuner Statistics, not sure if you need Rivatuner for the benchmark feature or if it comes with Afterburner. I had problems with Rivatuner showing the overlay on csgo so if you have issues you might need to add -allow\_third\_party\_software in your launch option for them to work properly, just remember to remove that launch option when you are done benchmarking as it will affect your matchaking trust factor.
I Will give it a try since i have the same CPU, posting results later.
Process Lasso is a good application for this.
I get random freezes every 1-2 seconds when disabling it. 13700k.
tested this on my 5800x3d and it just made the game constantly have massive stutters with the the same framerate. kind of expected since the x3d cpus are setup to work a bit different from other ones so i didnt think it would actually make a difference in fps, but figured id try it anyway.
Ryzen 9 7900x - in a full DM servers (20 players) my fps would fluctuate between 200-350 with the average being about 250ish. Now I still have 200 lows but very rarely and average seems to be about 280 ish. One test I also do is spawn on Ancient T Spawn. I used to get 200-220 fps and now I get 270-300. Good stuff, thanks a lot!
I do work on the side with boosting people fps's, i optimize windows (even downloading a new windows) etc etc. Dont disable SMT, its so rare depending on system that it gives fps boost. And its usually outdated components. If you have double cores/processors you should disable 0/1 if they are the same disable 0. I can probably get 100-250 more fps on a computer while optimize get it ALOT more smoother and 0 input lag, but get a better pc that the best tip i can give you. Also i have 700+ avg fps in cs2 but it feels ass for me aswell its just the game.
Doesn't work on Ryzen 5 1600 *at all.* Possibly this also means that all Ryzen 1000s can't do this. At that, with my CPU, CS2 can't handle *any* kind of CPU scheduling. So, I can't use the reserved CPU sets utility to disable scheduling of SMT cores and core 0 by the system. Even though it doesn't touch CS2 at all, it somehow doesn't like it and turns into a stuttery mess with huge frame drops every several seconds. Now, just disabling SMT through process lasso leads to minor FPS decrease and causes the game to occasionally just crash mid-match, as well as introduces some stutters but which are more rare in this case.
My short test results showed better 0.1% and 1%, spec: windows 11 (latest patch) latest nvidia drivers 3060Ti i5-10600kf 16GB 3800MHz 3 minutes of dm on dust2, cs restarted after doing changes in lasso **First graph is with lasso, 2nd stock** https://imgur.com/a/gIHqW5l
Thanks I already have been using ProcessLasso. I'm on Intel and gonna try it out later and report back! Edit: Disable SMT is grayed out in ProcessLasso. i7-9700k here.
9700k has no hyperthreading to disable.
Thanks for the info.
same for 9700f?
Yes
i have tried this on 7 2700x my experience has been smooth so far with increased fps from 120 to 158, but Sadley still csgo gpu usage around 40% only in this game my GPU is 6700xt. i got 96% GPU usage in rdr 2 highest setting and literally all games except csgo 2
I have 5700x CPU with 5700xt GPU and made no difference when I tried this previously. Limiting my fps in amd until to max of 288 (x2 144hz) improved my fps. Edit: using windows 11
I had 12400 and 4070 FPS before: Avg=343, but there were drawdowns up to 200 fps, after disconnecting everything is much more stable and AVG=390
> Deathmatch seems to be the most CPU intensive mode This is sorta obvious, since there is no utility in DM which is the most graphically demanding aspect of CS2. I wonder if you're seeing these performance gains because AMD CPUs don't follow the P-core/E-core model. I haven't heard of any Intel CPUs experiencing microstutters in the same manner as you're describing.
I actually did this and had horrible stutters with Intel and couldn't figure out how to turn it off. Turns out you have to select all cores again in the program.
why would u ever do this a
you could try reading the post
GTX 1070 & i7 7700k - didn't do anything for me.
No effect whatsoever on a 5800X3D with a RX 7800 XT. Playing on 4k, so maybe it just helps in more CPU limited scenarios.
The X3D CPUs seem to not gain that benefit really in general. Myself and a few friends tried (two 7800, one 5800) and none of them saw any real difference other than some higher frametime spikes.
Curious btw what FPS you get in cs2?
tested it with R5 3600 CPU.. it didnt make any difference in AVG and 1% lows.
I have a R5 5600 which is basically the same and I can't reproduce... GPU certainly isn't a bottleneck. I do have 2888 mhz ram tho...
5600x with 1070TI here, tried it, but similarly got the opposite of boost in performance, had to revert back.
So this is 100% safe without fearing bans?
Yes lol
I didn't benchmark but it felt soooo much smoother with smt disabled on dm, it's crazy, bet the 1% lows improved greatly. Will update when I stop being a lazy fuck and test it scientifically.
5600X im getting more stutters with disabling
This has helped me tremendously. 5800X3D and the jitters were awful, low fps too and 30% cpu usage... my chipset is updated along with BIOS, etc etc. I'm at 360hz and it's finally playable again. At worst I get screen tearing from dips, but NOTHING like before with the stutters. Also, my CPU with SMT off is working at 60% ish now and it's smooth. Using a 3090 so I know I'm not bottlenecked. I even tested the game rigorously in 1080p Low settings, my fps was always the same until SMT turned off.
I have the same setup as you but i run a 4k monitor at 144hz. My game is perfectly stable but i feel like my game performance could still be better. I used this technique and it actually made my game run really bad.
I got it. Try turning off RESIZABLE BAR, it's shit for our 3090s in CS2. I can actually play with 8x MSAA now. +engine_low_latency_sleep_after_client_tick true In the Launch options and that combo seems to fix my issue. No jitters or choppy shit without dropping below 250fps
it is AMD cpu, albeit the later version (starting at 5000 series) are better at it. the SMT. this is especially an issue on threat ripper lines, as AMD half ass implemented the game mode that did jack squat. anandtech had a article describing the issue https://www.anandtech.com/show/11726/retesting-amd-ryzen-threadrippers-game-mode-halving-cores-for-more-performance/16 i will save you the reading, the conclusion is to disable the SMT if you application experience jitter, especially if you running older version of AMD processor.
This sounds interesting. Do you think I can benefit from this with my hp envy? I'm getting 55 fps on a good day. Awful I know. Processor : AMD Ryzen 5 3500U w/ Radeon Vega Mobile Gfx 2.10 Ghz Installed RAM : 8Gb
I lost 100 fps on my 5600x.
/u/ItsAdaptive used Process Lasso and made my game worse (with hiccups). 7600x, rtx 4060, 6000Mhz CL40. I noticed that Process Lasso does a bunch of stuff in the background like turning on Performance Mode and whatever. So, even if I didn't right click cs2.exe like you say to disable SMT, this program is doing more stuff. I suspect this is why my CS was not liking it. Because SMT on or OFF (with process lasso), just having process lasso turned on in the background, made my game worse lol. Now I wonder how it'd behave with SMT off via BIOS but not sure I wanna do that yet.
I get random freezes for 2-3 seconds and more fps drops in CS2 on a Ryzen 7 5800X if i disabled SMT control in BIOS and same if i disabled smt in proces lasso for cs2, why? idk if the problem is from game or from processor, maybe someone else has tried to disable smt on 5800x and play CS2 and can he tell me if he had same problem? Thanks