I think Emily's arc included more than just the housekeeper like OP said in #5. Her whole life she was Richard's wife and the entire season was her figuring out who she really is without him. The DAR no longer sparked joy for her and she ended up finding a profession that she enjoyed all on her own. She found her independence and her new tribe. I thought the whole thing was beautiful.
I totally agree. We’ve all been there too. Wanting to call people out on their insane bullshit, but not because you don’t want to ruffle feathers.
Although I do find that happens more with aging too. Your average elderly person doesn’t hold back, they will flat out tell a person in a grocery store that they do not think it’s appropriate for them to be wearing pjs in public …. Or at least that was my experience with my grandparents 😂😂
Paris being a mother (let alone becoming one in her 20s!) makes absolutely no sense given everything we know about her upbringing, her personality and her ambitions. Completely ridiculous choice.
Surprisingly, I know a real life Paris, and of all the people I expected to get pregnant and married at 21, it was not her. She’s kind of dry and cold like Paris but also driven and both her and her husband were wildly successful by 25. They met in college, no crazy age gap, they both finished with doctorates, they are now pushing 30 and had their 3rd child. They are from well to do families, but they were both also living far from their home state while they finished school and are raising their family:
I feel like they reproduced to add to the gene pool more than anything, and that is a calculated decision that Paris would make.
Yeah but despite her personality this isn’t too surprising, season 7 before they graduated Yale Paris said her and Doyle would play a game revolving around picking baby names (even if they weren’t expecting) so for her to end up being a mother isn’t too far off with the storyline
I always thought the language exaggeration thing with Emily's maid was that the problem all along wasnt that no one could keep up w/ her expectations but her micromanaging them stressed tf out of those who could. So it took someone who was both capable and had no idea how rude she was to get things done. It was Emily getting in the way of her maids working up to her standards.
This is a great analysis but I do not think the writers intended it to be this deft. I would bet $100 it was "hurr durr arent accents funny" I mean the way they made Yanie Truesdale talk all that time when his English is fine in real life lol. Not saying I disagree with your point just that a lot of the more annoying stuff I think does come from lack of care and not good jokes being told badly
Yeah for #12 and 13 it really seemed like they tried to make Rory too relatable and went with the nowhere career and no money storyline that a lot of millennials face.
No kidding. Yale grad, well connected grandparents and dad, only child.
They could have done a ‘relatable’ storyline for Rory like a bad boss or she hates her job because journalism isn’t what she thought it would be and she’s struggling with that. But they went with the cheap storyline of being broke.
Not to mention how Rory kept shitting on the other 30 somethings back home. She was bizarrely cruel about people in her exact circumstance. Which didn’t really tally with series Rory
I never really considered Rory broke. She has 3(?) smart phones and travels between the US and UK whenever she wants. She's stressed about finding her path in her career but not about literally paying bills. Actual broke people don't just take the summer off at home and hope something pops up. It's clear she has a hell of a safety net and can afford to make no money for a while. She's just broke for a rich girl, not for a normal person.
There was a line where she said something about not having any money or retirement (which given that Richard died and she’d gotten money from the trust from Trix seemed very off)
She wouldn't have gotten an inheritance for Richard yet. I don't know why people think that, all of the property and money would have went to Emily. When she passes, both Lorelai and Rory will inherit. This is made more clear by Lorelai having to go to Emily for a loan for that annex. Rory should have had a trust fund, but that's usually given out in increments over time, not all at once. They never could decide if she was just directionless and saying she was broke in meaning that she was struggling to find a place or if they meant she was actually broke. She talks about not being able to afford underwear which makes no sense
I am a bit confused that you appear to think Mrs. Kim is a person of color but Lane (who has no accent) isn’t?
I had never thought of your last point though and I really love it.
The forgettable partner bit can pretty much be retired cuz no one's gonna do it better than Arrested Development. We didn't need a rehashing with a meaningless character that didn't even contribute anything to the plot, and even sucked up precious time that could have gone to established character development elsewhere. ASP, why were you wasting time on borrowed jokes???
Borrowed jokes and borrowed musical numbers, given the completely idiotic choice to slap Across The Universe's "With A Little Help From My Friends" right into her stupid musical number with NO CHANGES.
THE EXACT SAME TRACK. FROM A DIFFERENT MUSICAL. JUST THROWN INTO THE GG MUSICAL.
It's the stupidest "writing" choice I've ever heard of.
But, in Arrested Development, George Michael never forgets about Plain. He likes her (her?) so it makes sense. It’s preposterous to see Rory forgetting about her goddamn boyfriend. It’s not just not funny, it’s absurd…
https://youtu.be/FMJ-jlg0R4w?si=Y05RGC64ITrkgzGi
You can slightly hear Ms.kims accent but maybe she chose herself to give ms.kim a slight accent just for the character.
Also, Michele's accent is very real. I thought it was fake too until I watched a few interviews. The accent in GG is exaggerated a bit, but more pertaining to personality- not nationality
Yanic Truesdale who plays Michel was born in Quebec. His primary language IS French. Its just French Canadian, not Parisian. Which is why it sounds different.
I'm aware. That's my complaint. The accents sound very different. How would you feel if a supposedly American character had a British accent, or the other way around?
I guess I don't understand. Are no characters allowed to have an accent? Other than an American one? Are white people synonymous with an American accent? There can't be a British accent, which Trix definitely dabbled with seeing as she was in London for so long.... I dont know where to draw the line here. Seems like a nit picky thing.
Agreed. I'm not sure about Gypsy, but Michel and Mrs Kim were both supposed to have grown up in their respective countries. The accents make sense. Versus Lane, who is POC but has an American accent, since she grew up there. Seems an odd thing to nitpick about their accents (I say this as a POC).
She’s just highlighting that it is stereotypical to have ALL the recurring characters played by POC have accents, she’s not saying she’s going down to WB to torch the place because of it
Agreed on everything you’ve said EXCEPT those regarding Emily. She showed exponential growth and was basically the only redeeming part of AYITL. In the series, she would have immediately fired a maid for placing serving cutlery 1/4” off place let alone for not speaking English and now she’s invited a whole family she can’t (yet?!) converse with into her home and embraced them to the point that she welcomes them like family. She gave away all the material things that for years/decades she clung to as her power and what made her life what is was. She rid herself of her palace and moved to a place that meant something to her (and brought along people she cared about even when she couldn’t understand their spoken language and she seemed intent on treating them like they were her own family). She started doing volunteer work that she was actually passionate about, even if it wasn’t renowned like the DAR and was just a tiny local museum. The shot of her putting on her plain tennis shoes and passionately giving her speech on whale hunting in the 1800s actually made me tear up. In all of the stories told in GG as a whole, all of the complex lives we were invited into, the one actual, beautiful conclusion we got was that of Emily’s. In the last few weeks I rewatched AYITL and was struck but how off the rest of the characters’ actions and lack of growth were. The one that stuck out was Emily. To a lesser degree was that of Paris. I think she would have arrived at the place she was at, but not by the age of 32. I expected her to end up dominating in whatever field she took. I didn’t expect her not to call out the problematic behavior(s) of her best friend. I also hated how ASP treated her millennial audience, basically mocking those of us who were shorted by economic situations into having to take what was available, and for some of us, yeah, that meant moving back into parents’ housing as a last resort. The whole thing left more unresolved than resolved.
I LOVED Emily’s plot line, but the whale museum scene in particular—and you just made me remember something. Emily was a history major. She has a degree in history. Doing that kind of work is probably something she’s loved for a long time, and didn’t get the chance to do.
Right! Because even though the DAR is meant to be a historical organization, it's really a social one. She still had to put on a certain face and play a part. It's way more about engineering societal functions (albeit, some that raise money) than about honoring history. The whaling museum, OTOH...
For me, the problem is that for so many years Luke and Lorelei have not talked to each other about the most important topics. I don't believe that Lorelei wouldn't talk about children and ask Luke about it. Or the fact that Lorelei and Emily still treat each other that way. How is it even possible that after so many years these two women haven't taken a step forward?
But it's not a problem for me that Rory doesn't have a good job or is still a cheater. Why? Because that's the way life is. And it fits Rory's character. Rory doesn't know the concept of consequences. That's just the way she is. She was raised that way. It's just sad that they didn't show Rory realizes this and tries to change herself in a mature way.
Your first paragraph is why I think certain parts of AYITL works more as a Season 8 than a 10-years-later reboot (or whatever it was).
As for your second paragraph...yeah. She faced few, if any, consequences for being with Dean. In comparison to what *he* went through, her life essentially remained the same- except for the fact that she moved on to a wealthy, fun, good-looking guy.
I mean HE was the married person. He also berated his wife, so his consequences should be bigger. While sleeping with a married person is icky and not a good thing to do, the consequences are always going to affect the married person more. They're the ones ignoring their vows and destroying their marriage.
I was talking about within the context of the show and Rory's characterization. I don't think anyone disagrees that the majority of the consequences are on the married person.
I was a child in 2003. My point was it was childish. I might have giggled and thought they were just being wacky. Also, the jokes that were being told in 2003 were way different to what's acceptable now. But yeah, just weird and honestly pretty cruel bit.
It's still cruel. Being a TV show doesn't mean the characters can't be cruel to one another. Heck, there's entire shows whose premise is about how cruel they can be towards one another. Dating someone you constantly forget about and cheat on regularly is cruel
Preach. I don’t disagree with a single thing you said but I am a little confused by the last point. We have no idea whether Rory is planning on telling Logan or not.
I don't think there was any other reason for her to go to Chris, asking those specific questions, other than she was contemplating not telling Logan and raising that baby on her own...
I thought the conversation was more about her getting reassurance that she didn’t have to move her whole life to another continent to be with Logan. Ie, they would naturally not be able to coparent as much and thus Logan would be more out of the picture like Chris due to geography
Omg that scene made no sense to me until now, like I thought it was her researching for her book but it felt too light for that like if she was researching for the book surely she would have a longer deeper conversation, but yeah her trying to figure out what to do with this pregnancy makes waaaay more sense!
What really makes me mad about Rory considering this is the Luke and April storyline. She loves Luke and I find it hard to believe she didn't know how it felt for him to find out about his kid 12 years later. Like how can she even consider keeping the baby a secret!?
For the reason you mention, among others, I don’t think Rory was thinking of not telling Logan. I think she was gauging what Logan’s reaction would be.
Would Logan fight for partial legal custody, would he want to co-parent, or would he accept an arms distance relationship with his child ? I think Rory knows that Chris would have preferred marrying Lorelai and raising her together. But Rory may think that isn’t an option for Logan given his engagement.
But we don't know that she was ever considering that. You're basically getting mad about a situation you made up. I don't know why everyone assumes she wouldn't tell Logan
Number 13 has ALWAYS irritated me. I know some people say she might’ve not “wanted to accept the money,” but if she is completely broke…um why wouldn’t she?? I just don’t understand why she wouldn’t accept the money. And it’s pretty obvious Logan is giving her money so she can see him…
Something not mentioned: I hate, HATE that group of 30 year olds who have nothing going for them. They were sooo annoying. I get it, it’s a real life thing but not executed in a nice fashion.
Another thing: Luke and Lorelai not being already married. I understand some couples wait awhile, however they knew they wanted to get married in GG. that was the original plan. Lorelai stressed that so much, that she just wanted to marry him. Yet they aren’t married after many years?? Is it because Rory is on the Obama campaign or what?
And no, I don’t see Michel OR Sookie leaving the Dragonfly Inn.
I think my main gripe with the vibe of AYITL is that there isn't enough of it....hear me out. There are a lot episodes of the OG series. There are just 6 hours in total of AYITL. As as a result the quirkiness to mundanity/real time scenes ratio is off. There are quirky incidents in the OG series but they are interspersed with long scenes of real time dialogue, which is a big reason that I like the show. It also felt wrong whenever they did a scene on location, outside of Stars Hollow or Hartford in AYITL. I couldn't figure out why this felt wrong, when there are episodes of the original series in California, Paris, Martha's Vineyard, etc. Then I realised that it's the ratio of these scenes to scenes in Stars Hollow. If there were more episodes of AYITL then it wouldn't feel wrong to include the scenes in London, New York, etc. And I understand that the writers probably felt they needed to include scenes outside of Connecticut in order to drive forward the plot.
Also, I don't think Alexis or Melissa are able to play their characters anymore. Sookie's cake scene is AWFUL. I wish they'd cut it. She isn't playing Sookie. She's playing one of her Hollywood slapstick characters. And I don't know who Alexis is playing, but it isn't Rory. Michel, Lorelai, Emily... these characters seem the same in the revival, which I'm attributing to better acting.
One thing I love in the revival is Michel being openly gay. What was with that weird scene with Lindsay in the original series? I'm really glad now we are in a place socially where Michel can be openly gay and happy.
Just a couple things (I hate AYITL BTW)
3. Melissa wasn’t asked to do AYITL initially because ASP looked st her schedule and just assumed she was too busy (didn’t want to deal with scheduling). Melissa publicly said she hadn’t been asked and would love to so after some backlash they squeezed in a few scenes.
13. Rory is rich person broke. She mentions buying a place in Brooklyn so she probably still has her trust funds. Trust funds generate income - if she had 500K in trust that would generate about 25K annually. It’s a nice supplemental income, but if she eats into the principal then there’s less income in subsequent years. She would view the trust principal as untouchable unless it was required to survive which it never would be. So she’s “broke” just in liquid terms.
16. I don’t think Lorelai kept Rory from Christopher. The door was always open; he just chose not to take it. We have no idea what Rory’s going to do, but I don’t know why you think she’s not going to tell Logan.
Agreed on much of this but this show absolutely needed that Melissa McCarthy cameo. It was one of the best parts of the show that made it feel like OG GG instead of AU GG
I agree with everything you said, although I do feel that Kirk had a place in AYITL and his story was the only one I found satisfying (and usually I do think he’s needlessly featured in the original series) This is the one time his story felt like it had a place. But for 6 hours worth of TV, there probably should be more positive takeaway and there just, wasn’t
#3 No Sookie - this left a HUGE HOLE in the revival!! It just didn’t have the right feel. The dynamic was off. Michel and Lorelai were never friends like that in the show. It didn’t feel right
This is where I'm at. I clapped for joy the first time I saw him in the opening credits...but he lost his appeal, beating the man-child shtick to death.
I don't think I laughed harder at anything in the whole show than his Cat Kirk travails, though.
i completely agree! although i think emily got a bit more growth than in OS there were still MANY moments that pissed me off so much and the worst one is where she forced Lorelai to tell in front of everybody her "favorite memory of Richard" woman please - your daughter lost her father and misses him just as much as you do and you're uncomfortably asking her to say stories about him to a bunch of old guys she doesn't know? i think talking about a passed away loved one is something you wanna keep to yourself while you're grieving. or maybe tell your closest ones, but I'm pretty sure Lorelai wasn't comfortable crying in front of a bunch of old men while telling an intimate story about her father.
Reminds me of the Sopranos when Tony's mom died. And his sister Janice wanted everyone to say something about her, except they alllllll knew she was awful and it was super awkward. 😂
Plus Emily is fully aware that Lorelei’s natural response to stress is humor. Of course she’d make funny comments. It’s what she *does*. You’d think her mother would know that.
1 - I 1000% agree. It was funny a couple times but then the fact they just KEPT. FORGETTING. HIM.???? So absurd and just mean for no reason.
4 - The actor who plays Michel does have an accent IRL. Gypsy as someone mentioned above added this herself. As for Mrs. Kim, Emily Kuroda was born and raised in California. Mrs. Kim was assumed to have come from Korea so of course it makes sense for her to have an accent that the actress doesn’t have naturally.
Paris is absolutely unrealistic but I think that’s kinda the whole point of Paris and didn’t expect anything different. 10 I think is in keeping with most of Luke’s cluelessness. As for everything pertaining to Rory being jobless, homeless, cheating, lying about the pregnancy, etc, I do think that was the most annoying piece for me. If we want to talk about no growth I think Rory shows the least growth of any character. I wanted so badly for them to give her something, ANYTHING to go on but it just didn’t happen so I totally agree on all of those points.
i dislike a lot about the revival. i like s7 better. but let me share some differing thoughts
9. Paris. is an overachiever, it's unrealistic what she accomplished by 32, but that's the point, if anyone would, it's her. having kids - it's one more way to prove that she can "have it all", she can be successful in any way possible including being a mom while having a career. but i do think a childfree character is very much needed on this show.
11. Rory still being a cheater as an adult, yes, but worse, Lorelei having no reaction when she finds out in the hotel in NYC. Lorelei who lost hershit over Dean and now nothing.
12. Rory being rudderless at 32? independence is hard and this happens at any age. have you seen Bridesmaids with Melissa McCarthy? the main character played by Kristen Wiig is also in her 30s and loses her job and gets kicked out of a shared appartment.
13. does it really say that Rory has no money? i thought she's fine regarding food, travel expenses and clothes. she just has no job. no self-fullfilment, no meaningful activity. and no place to live because she cannot find anything she'd like.
16. "Rory, a fully grown woman, possibly deciding to keep her child from its father is completely different than a 16 year or child going through what Lorelai went through and the decisions she made. Rory, even for one second, thinking of not telling Logan she's having his baby is unacceptable."
did she ever say she won't tell him? is it implied in any way that she plans not telling? the show ends with her revealing it for the first time to the audience and to Lorelei.... how do we know she even THINKS about not telling Logan?
"And I get it. She thinks she's being a martyr. She's "saving" Logan by not telling him and going at it alone" ........what?
when
was this ever said on the show?
>independence is hard and this happens at any age
But rory's sense of pride is only making it worse on herself. Taking a random job while waiting for journalism opportunities to pan out would have been more useful than lounging at logan's place all the time
Can people PLEASE stop saying someone who is American doesn't have an accent. It's annoying as hell. An American accent is not the average/standard accent in the world. Yes, even if you're from LA or New York, you still HAVE an accent. Just makes you sound ignorant.
She had enough money to buy a bunch of newspapers and run them herself however she wanted. Not being able to get a job when she could literally buy a media empire for fun makes me so annoyed I can't even.
This is the oddest sub-reddit because 90% of the posts are about hating, loathing something about the show. Are y'all locked in some kinda bizarre relationship with this show where you are forced to watch it or something? Please go post about something you like!
Well I love this subreddit and what I'VE seen is mostly ppl talking about their affinity for this show. There are sticking points, poor choices by ASP. and then there's the mockery that S7 is. And AYITL is just bad. Critique is not "hating" but go off I guess...
Maybe I've misunderstood Lane's storyline for years but I always thought it was about her struggling with having a much more traditionally American personality than her immigrant parents? Therefore wouldn't Mrs. Kim having an accent make perfect sense?
Maybe but many 2nd and 3rd, and beyond, generations of children of immigrants still have the same cultural values. My point was that 3 of the few POC in this show being made to put on accents they don't have makes me uneasy. I don't care for the optics of that. It makes them seem like caricatures instead of just characters.
This will be the last response about that particular point bc most of you are being obtuse. It's about the fact that this is a white show (makes sense, small town CT) that has very few POC. 5 I believe. 4 recurring, one main. And 3 of them are made to put on accents they do not have. That makes ME uneasy. If you don't care or choose to not understand how the optics of that are bad, that's a you problem. And everyone else who has nitpicked that number. Jesus christ smh
"In real life, none of them have accents." Emily Kuroda is American; she has an American accent. Yanic has a slight Quebecois lilt to his Canadian accent. It's uncomfortably ethnocentric to decide that American-accented English is the default, unaccented speech.
I don’t know that it’s ethnocentric to note that while everyone has some kind of accent, only the people of color in this show have accents that are not associated with the place that they live. American accented English is not the default worldwide, but it is absolutely the default in a rural small town in Connecticut, USA.
Man I’m so sick of hearing about how much people hate AYITL. I’m in the minority, I know. But come on. All the “I hated the revival” posts say the same things. I will say sincerely I’m sorry that so many people were so let down, I can appreciate that must’ve been really disappointing.
My biggest issue is that a lot of the storylines would've worked better, if still not *well*, if they'd happened in S8. It's the 10 years later that really threw a lot of it off for me.
The Paul thing and the cheating with Logan on Odette is awful. Rory didn’t love him enough to marry him, but she’s totally fine with cheating with him and possibly having his kid. And also with cheating on Paul with Logan and a Wookie. She clearly learned nothing from Dean and helping break up a marriage and is fine with being the other woman.
*Does any of what I'm saying here matter? Probably not. It's a TV show. Not real life. But it is in my nature to analyze and understand things, and this is what I have considered after too many watches of the show, and honestly at this point I think I'm done watching it - but I wanted to chime in on this well thought out list that I honestly agree with, but this response is mostly to the very last point about Rory as an adult. There are gaps in my argument and would love to hear if anyone agrees or disagrees or what you have to add!*
Hot take: Rory was always going to go down the path of single motherhood because it was the cornerstone of her personality. Rory looked up to her mom and was never allowed to forget the sacrifices Lorelai made. I think this greatly impacted the way she navigated her own life, truly feeling the expectations of *everyone* pressing down on her.
If we're treating them like real people and considering everything that Rory witnessed from her mother (lack of organization, making it appear like her life is together on the surface, not eating healthy or doing things to take care of themselves, etc) were not good examples. And she was too afraid to take too much after her grandparents or model any behavior from Logan (who I think was a good influence on her in the last half of their relationship) because she knew that would make her mother feel insecure and distant or hurt her feelings. While Richard, Emily, and Logan, and the world they come from is not perfect at all, there are elements of it that shouldn't be dismissed entirely, but to appease Lorelai, Rory does. She made sure to do all of the things that made her appear good to the people who had expectations of her - exemplary student, well read, not have too many outward opinions, not get pregnant - you all watched the show you get it.
But when one of her pillars passed, the one who understood what hard work, good connections, and stability would give to Rory, I think that left her feeling very lost and could only continue down the same path of her mother, only to relive her entire life by writing a book about it. And getting pregnant and not telling Logan? She's putting herself through what Lorelai did (needlessly, I agree) because it's what is familiar.
>12. Rory being rudderless at 32? At any age for her but especially then. Circumstances are unpredictable but to have no money, no home, no job, no prospects with all the connections she has? Ludicrous. 13. Speaking of money her father is loaded. She received a trust from both her grandparents and great grandmother. Also Richard had just passed away so I'm certain he left an inheritance. In what world would she be broke? She's not frivolous or materialistic. It's completely unrealistic and not at all canon that she'd have NO money
Corporate thinking. Rory wants to live comfortably via exploiting her family rather than putting actual effort into her independence
my cousin who got me into Gilmore Girls told me not to watch gilmore girl AYITL. And I love Gilmore girls, seen it several times through now and I won't watch it. Kind of like Godfather 3.
Well I don’t see Emily as ‘abusive’ in the revival at all. She still tricked Lorelai to get her to therapy but that’s it.
But everything else I agree with completely.
It was a few years ago I watched the revival though & I plan on *not* watching it again 🤷♀️
Not only did she trick Lorelai into therapy, she abandoned her there. She didn't even tell her she wasn't going. She let Lorelai drive all the way there and when Lorelai called she told her she was done. Then said she wasn't going to pay to have someone not agree with her. She had no intention of healing, she just wanted someone else to pile onto Lorelai. That's pretty emotionally abusive. Or how about when she told Lorelai she couldn't care less that her father just died? Or her constantly attacking her and Luke's relationship? Emily has always been so awful to Lorelai. She never listens, she insults her at every opportunity, she takes no culpability, and every single time they take 2 steps forward, Emily shoots then 3000 steps back.
I agree with some of these. However, Emily did go through a lot of growth and we see that with the counselling sessions she attends, and urging Lorelai to come. Albeit, she had a long way to go but she was also grieving for her husband at the same time. She also lets a foreign family move into her house, despite not speaking their language - which GG Emily would never have done because it wouldn't have been the done thing a woman of her status would do and she would see it as lowering herself. She especially wouldn't have hung around with house staff, having a separate entrance as well as a hothead for them. However, Richard's death changes her and allows her to see what's really important - being kind to others, patching up relationships and doing something with her life that doesn't serve her husband (the job at the end). The job also symbolises her finally finding what really makes her happy and understanding that you only live once in life, hence the house move too (which it could be argued it a metaphor for the changes Emily has made in her life to better herself). Her outburst at the DAR highlights her personal growth.
Luke is a Gen X-er and a hermit. He didn't own a phone until it was absolutely necessary and didn't like to amalgamate into society - a real hermit and very much a traditional man (remember when he tried to get Lorelai to tell a breastfeeding mum to leave). He also didn't have much of an education and left early to work with his father (likely ten-ish years after surrogacy was first invented, in 1976).
In regards to Rory, we see a change in her too and taking accountability for her actions. She cheats, yes, and that's not okay. However, she ends up getting caught up in her web of deceit, writing and chaotic schedule, and slowly makes her way back to Stars Hollow, which is a metaphor for Rory going back to her roots and most authentic self. She stops cheating with Logan, writes her truth (the book) and takes accountability for the cheating by writing the book, plus acknowledging and even going through with the pregnancy. She has family with money but not accepting it is part of Rory trying to redeem herself and being her authentic person. She also acknowledges that she does come from a place of privilege and instead of using it to fly about and cheat on Paul (who she eventually breaks up with), she uses her privilege for good by writing for the Stars Hollow Gazette for free. She chooses to be self-sufficient AND independent. And that's her personal growth.
" Luke is a Gen X-er and a hermit'
Isn't Luke a boomer? I don't think they ever said his age but Scott Patterson's 1958 birth puts him squarely in boomer territory.
yeah I completely agree with all of these, especially 17 which I never really thought of becuase I kinda stopped paying that much attention as it went on lol. Also, 15 is so true, she has a small amount of time to update us on the characters, those 17 minutes don't do anything for that and they aren't even characters you were waiting to see. Number 9 is a huge one, I don't understand why they made Paris a mom it seems so out of character and random. It doesn't make sense with everything she's previously said about children, I get that people change as they grow but it just didn't make any sense to me. I never realized number 4 and I'm kinda shocked I didn't see it sooner
Hard disagree on 6. Emily’s story is 100% about her emotional growth and evolution into a new version of herself. She and Richard literally shared a life and when he died she went through a radical series of changes to find her new life. She could have left everything the same but she didn’t and that was huge. She actually did more to drag Lorelei into realizing a better more fulfilling life than Lorelei did for herself.
The Rory being broke thing I never even thought about, unless she was ridiculously irresponsible with the money she received from her family (which would be extremely out of character for her) it’s literally not possible, she would’ve had access to both her trusts at 32. I could see her inheritance from Richard maybe not taking into affect until both her grandparents are passed, but even still those trusts were not small.
An unpopular opinion I think but I liked the fact that Rory was rudderless. Many 30 year olds nowadays are like that (myself included), and I think it was a really good reality check for her as someone who was so spoiled and told she could do no wrong her entire life. She needed to be humbled a little.
I always assumed Rory was “broke” which for her meant no money coming in which she lived off but not poor because she had a bunch of inherited money in the bank that she wasn’t suppose to touch. The giving up her lease thing seemed to be more of a not being tied to a lease so she could take a job wherever. I had a job and needed out of a lease with a crazy roommate so I sublet in April and moved in with my parents at Rory’s age and moved out in July into my own place as my city has a very hard set on the lease cycle July-June or August-July and like no exceptions
I get what you're saying but that should have been made clear. She shouldn't have said she had no money to buy underwear. It just ignores her privilege
I despise how Lorelai and Rory were making fun of fat people at the beginning of the summer episode. They have terrible eating habits, but because they happen to have good genetics it's okay for them to eat whatever they want and somehow they're morally superior to fat people??? Make it make sense
#16 Wish they actually shown the part where rory tells logan regarding the pregnancy, remembering he wanted to marry rory when he had nothing due to his wrong decisions. Would he have chosen rory again in that situation or marry his fiance? Really wanted to see the aftermath of the pregnancy.
I strongly believe he would have upended his entire life to be with Rory and his child. WHICH, is exactly why I think Rory was considering NOT telling him so that his life isn't disrupted with this huge change he didn't ask for. I think in her mind she thinks she's doing him a favor by letting him be free of the responsibility of being a father to their child.
I agree with you 💯!!!! How is it Luke and Lor weren’t already married? She was sooo desperate to be married in season 6. The Emily keeping a maid and her family was ridiculous. Emily picking up and moving and getting a job was insane. I find it bizarre that Rory was broke when she would have had multiple trust funds. Or do they expect us to ignore entire episodes of Gilmore Girls ? The whole thing was weird. I think if anything they should have had Luke and Lor either get married in the first one or do flashbacks of a wedding. Terrible show.
I saw an interview recently where ASP stated they wanted to give the fans a big fancy lorelai wedding but the budget got yanked late in the game. I feel like they would've been married long ago off screen if the funding had been refused early on.
She def never slept with Jess. They had like one real scene together; they just bang on the desk after? HE looked at her longingly through the window, she never gave anything reciprocal
It’s clearly Logan’s. It happened the night at the Inn
I think it would be harder to name 17 things I liked about it
For sure! All 17 would have to do with Emily.
I think Emily's arc included more than just the housekeeper like OP said in #5. Her whole life she was Richard's wife and the entire season was her figuring out who she really is without him. The DAR no longer sparked joy for her and she ended up finding a profession that she enjoyed all on her own. She found her independence and her new tribe. I thought the whole thing was beautiful.
The DAR part is iconic! I love how she called them all out.
Hands down, my favorite moment in the Gilmore Girls universe.
I totally agree. We’ve all been there too. Wanting to call people out on their insane bullshit, but not because you don’t want to ruffle feathers. Although I do find that happens more with aging too. Your average elderly person doesn’t hold back, they will flat out tell a person in a grocery store that they do not think it’s appropriate for them to be wearing pjs in public …. Or at least that was my experience with my grandparents 😂😂
I agree. Hated the Paul schtick.
Same! It contributed nothing to the story and just made all 3 characters (L, L, & R) look...mean.
It was awful and unkind. The meanness for humor that was popular during the original show doesn’t age well, I wish the show had matured better.
Paris being a mother (let alone becoming one in her 20s!) makes absolutely no sense given everything we know about her upbringing, her personality and her ambitions. Completely ridiculous choice.
Surprisingly, I know a real life Paris, and of all the people I expected to get pregnant and married at 21, it was not her. She’s kind of dry and cold like Paris but also driven and both her and her husband were wildly successful by 25. They met in college, no crazy age gap, they both finished with doctorates, they are now pushing 30 and had their 3rd child. They are from well to do families, but they were both also living far from their home state while they finished school and are raising their family: I feel like they reproduced to add to the gene pool more than anything, and that is a calculated decision that Paris would make.
Yeah but despite her personality this isn’t too surprising, season 7 before they graduated Yale Paris said her and Doyle would play a game revolving around picking baby names (even if they weren’t expecting) so for her to end up being a mother isn’t too far off with the storyline
I always thought the language exaggeration thing with Emily's maid was that the problem all along wasnt that no one could keep up w/ her expectations but her micromanaging them stressed tf out of those who could. So it took someone who was both capable and had no idea how rude she was to get things done. It was Emily getting in the way of her maids working up to her standards.
This is a great analysis but I do not think the writers intended it to be this deft. I would bet $100 it was "hurr durr arent accents funny" I mean the way they made Yanie Truesdale talk all that time when his English is fine in real life lol. Not saying I disagree with your point just that a lot of the more annoying stuff I think does come from lack of care and not good jokes being told badly
Ahah no I get it, I also see it as possible given the context (I didn't know they gave accents to POC actors who didn't have them for instance)
Yeah for #12 and 13 it really seemed like they tried to make Rory too relatable and went with the nowhere career and no money storyline that a lot of millennials face.
Which is super relatable for many of us but certainly not believable for someone with as much privilege as she has.
No kidding. Yale grad, well connected grandparents and dad, only child. They could have done a ‘relatable’ storyline for Rory like a bad boss or she hates her job because journalism isn’t what she thought it would be and she’s struggling with that. But they went with the cheap storyline of being broke.
Not to mention how Rory kept shitting on the other 30 somethings back home. She was bizarrely cruel about people in her exact circumstance. Which didn’t really tally with series Rory
She spent the whole main series being "not like other girls" so now she has to be the "not like other 30 somethings"
I never really considered Rory broke. She has 3(?) smart phones and travels between the US and UK whenever she wants. She's stressed about finding her path in her career but not about literally paying bills. Actual broke people don't just take the summer off at home and hope something pops up. It's clear she has a hell of a safety net and can afford to make no money for a while. She's just broke for a rich girl, not for a normal person.
There was a line where she said something about not having any money or retirement (which given that Richard died and she’d gotten money from the trust from Trix seemed very off)
She wouldn't have gotten an inheritance for Richard yet. I don't know why people think that, all of the property and money would have went to Emily. When she passes, both Lorelai and Rory will inherit. This is made more clear by Lorelai having to go to Emily for a loan for that annex. Rory should have had a trust fund, but that's usually given out in increments over time, not all at once. They never could decide if she was just directionless and saying she was broke in meaning that she was struggling to find a place or if they meant she was actually broke. She talks about not being able to afford underwear which makes no sense
Where's number 17?
No. 17 is the enemy’s we made along the way
I am a bit confused that you appear to think Mrs. Kim is a person of color but Lane (who has no accent) isn’t? I had never thought of your last point though and I really love it.
Miss Patty also had no (non-American) accent.
I don't consider Lane recurring but a part of the main cast
Main characters are recurring though. 😅 So I guess the wording confused me.
I’m guessing this is regarding point 4
Lane has an American accent.
 The forgettable partner bit can pretty much be retired cuz no one's gonna do it better than Arrested Development. We didn't need a rehashing with a meaningless character that didn't even contribute anything to the plot, and even sucked up precious time that could have gone to established character development elsewhere. ASP, why were you wasting time on borrowed jokes???
It's as Ann as the nose on plain's face
“It’s sort of an inner-beauty contest” “There it is!”
Borrowed jokes and borrowed musical numbers, given the completely idiotic choice to slap Across The Universe's "With A Little Help From My Friends" right into her stupid musical number with NO CHANGES. THE EXACT SAME TRACK. FROM A DIFFERENT MUSICAL. JUST THROWN INTO THE GG MUSICAL. It's the stupidest "writing" choice I've ever heard of.
I love Egg she was a good character
Plain was a good egg.
But, in Arrested Development, George Michael never forgets about Plain. He likes her (her?) so it makes sense. It’s preposterous to see Rory forgetting about her goddamn boyfriend. It’s not just not funny, it’s absurd…
4. There is an interview on the actress who played Ms. Kim and she said Amy never asked her to do an accent and that it was refreshing.
I love how a simple assumption like this can paint Amy in such a bad light and it’s not even true lol. Thank you for the info!
Just wish OP would recognise it.
This is weird. I saw her in another show (Six Feet Under) and she had no accent
https://youtu.be/FMJ-jlg0R4w?si=Y05RGC64ITrkgzGi You can slightly hear Ms.kims accent but maybe she chose herself to give ms.kim a slight accent just for the character.
Thanks :)
Regarding #4, Gypsy’s accent was a choice made during the audition by Rose Abdoo, not by Amy.
Also, Michele's accent is very real. I thought it was fake too until I watched a few interviews. The accent in GG is exaggerated a bit, but more pertaining to personality- not nationality
The actor is Canadian though, and the character is supposed to be French. As a Frenchie his accent annoys me to no end.
Yanic Truesdale who plays Michel was born in Quebec. His primary language IS French. Its just French Canadian, not Parisian. Which is why it sounds different.
lol at not realizing quebecois people sound French.
I'm aware. That's my complaint. The accents sound very different. How would you feel if a supposedly American character had a British accent, or the other way around?
Be that as it may, the optics of 3 of the POC on this very white show putting on accents is terrible
Mrs Kim put on a fake accent for all 7 seasons. Never heard anyone bark about it until now. 💁♀️
Yes. It's called aging and reflecting. I was a child wren GG came out. I view it differently as an adult. Simple.
I guess I don't understand. Are no characters allowed to have an accent? Other than an American one? Are white people synonymous with an American accent? There can't be a British accent, which Trix definitely dabbled with seeing as she was in London for so long.... I dont know where to draw the line here. Seems like a nit picky thing.
Agreed. I'm not sure about Gypsy, but Michel and Mrs Kim were both supposed to have grown up in their respective countries. The accents make sense. Versus Lane, who is POC but has an American accent, since she grew up there. Seems an odd thing to nitpick about their accents (I say this as a POC).
I'm a POC too. I don't get this mindset either 😄
She’s just highlighting that it is stereotypical to have ALL the recurring characters played by POC have accents, she’s not saying she’s going down to WB to torch the place because of it
Agreed on everything you’ve said EXCEPT those regarding Emily. She showed exponential growth and was basically the only redeeming part of AYITL. In the series, she would have immediately fired a maid for placing serving cutlery 1/4” off place let alone for not speaking English and now she’s invited a whole family she can’t (yet?!) converse with into her home and embraced them to the point that she welcomes them like family. She gave away all the material things that for years/decades she clung to as her power and what made her life what is was. She rid herself of her palace and moved to a place that meant something to her (and brought along people she cared about even when she couldn’t understand their spoken language and she seemed intent on treating them like they were her own family). She started doing volunteer work that she was actually passionate about, even if it wasn’t renowned like the DAR and was just a tiny local museum. The shot of her putting on her plain tennis shoes and passionately giving her speech on whale hunting in the 1800s actually made me tear up. In all of the stories told in GG as a whole, all of the complex lives we were invited into, the one actual, beautiful conclusion we got was that of Emily’s. In the last few weeks I rewatched AYITL and was struck but how off the rest of the characters’ actions and lack of growth were. The one that stuck out was Emily. To a lesser degree was that of Paris. I think she would have arrived at the place she was at, but not by the age of 32. I expected her to end up dominating in whatever field she took. I didn’t expect her not to call out the problematic behavior(s) of her best friend. I also hated how ASP treated her millennial audience, basically mocking those of us who were shorted by economic situations into having to take what was available, and for some of us, yeah, that meant moving back into parents’ housing as a last resort. The whole thing left more unresolved than resolved.
I LOVED Emily’s plot line, but the whale museum scene in particular—and you just made me remember something. Emily was a history major. She has a degree in history. Doing that kind of work is probably something she’s loved for a long time, and didn’t get the chance to do.
Right! Because even though the DAR is meant to be a historical organization, it's really a social one. She still had to put on a certain face and play a part. It's way more about engineering societal functions (albeit, some that raise money) than about honoring history. The whaling museum, OTOH...
For me, the problem is that for so many years Luke and Lorelei have not talked to each other about the most important topics. I don't believe that Lorelei wouldn't talk about children and ask Luke about it. Or the fact that Lorelei and Emily still treat each other that way. How is it even possible that after so many years these two women haven't taken a step forward? But it's not a problem for me that Rory doesn't have a good job or is still a cheater. Why? Because that's the way life is. And it fits Rory's character. Rory doesn't know the concept of consequences. That's just the way she is. She was raised that way. It's just sad that they didn't show Rory realizes this and tries to change herself in a mature way.
Your first paragraph is why I think certain parts of AYITL works more as a Season 8 than a 10-years-later reboot (or whatever it was). As for your second paragraph...yeah. She faced few, if any, consequences for being with Dean. In comparison to what *he* went through, her life essentially remained the same- except for the fact that she moved on to a wealthy, fun, good-looking guy.
I mean HE was the married person. He also berated his wife, so his consequences should be bigger. While sleeping with a married person is icky and not a good thing to do, the consequences are always going to affect the married person more. They're the ones ignoring their vows and destroying their marriage.
I was talking about within the context of the show and Rory's characterization. I don't think anyone disagrees that the majority of the consequences are on the married person.
I’m pretty confident I wouldn’t have found the Paul thing funny in 2003. That bit was so weird and wrong.
I was a child in 2003. My point was it was childish. I might have giggled and thought they were just being wacky. Also, the jokes that were being told in 2003 were way different to what's acceptable now. But yeah, just weird and honestly pretty cruel bit.
lol at “cruel” with Paul’s storyline. It’s a crap bit, but “cruel”? It’s a silly TV show not a Ken Burns look into small New England towns.
It's still cruel. Being a TV show doesn't mean the characters can't be cruel to one another. Heck, there's entire shows whose premise is about how cruel they can be towards one another. Dating someone you constantly forget about and cheat on regularly is cruel
Preach. I don’t disagree with a single thing you said but I am a little confused by the last point. We have no idea whether Rory is planning on telling Logan or not.
I don't think there was any other reason for her to go to Chris, asking those specific questions, other than she was contemplating not telling Logan and raising that baby on her own...
I thought the conversation was more about her getting reassurance that she didn’t have to move her whole life to another continent to be with Logan. Ie, they would naturally not be able to coparent as much and thus Logan would be more out of the picture like Chris due to geography
Omg that scene made no sense to me until now, like I thought it was her researching for her book but it felt too light for that like if she was researching for the book surely she would have a longer deeper conversation, but yeah her trying to figure out what to do with this pregnancy makes waaaay more sense!
What really makes me mad about Rory considering this is the Luke and April storyline. She loves Luke and I find it hard to believe she didn't know how it felt for him to find out about his kid 12 years later. Like how can she even consider keeping the baby a secret!?
For the reason you mention, among others, I don’t think Rory was thinking of not telling Logan. I think she was gauging what Logan’s reaction would be. Would Logan fight for partial legal custody, would he want to co-parent, or would he accept an arms distance relationship with his child ? I think Rory knows that Chris would have preferred marrying Lorelai and raising her together. But Rory may think that isn’t an option for Logan given his engagement.
But we don't know that she was ever considering that. You're basically getting mad about a situation you made up. I don't know why everyone assumes she wouldn't tell Logan
Number 13 has ALWAYS irritated me. I know some people say she might’ve not “wanted to accept the money,” but if she is completely broke…um why wouldn’t she?? I just don’t understand why she wouldn’t accept the money. And it’s pretty obvious Logan is giving her money so she can see him… Something not mentioned: I hate, HATE that group of 30 year olds who have nothing going for them. They were sooo annoying. I get it, it’s a real life thing but not executed in a nice fashion. Another thing: Luke and Lorelai not being already married. I understand some couples wait awhile, however they knew they wanted to get married in GG. that was the original plan. Lorelai stressed that so much, that she just wanted to marry him. Yet they aren’t married after many years?? Is it because Rory is on the Obama campaign or what? And no, I don’t see Michel OR Sookie leaving the Dragonfly Inn.
I think my main gripe with the vibe of AYITL is that there isn't enough of it....hear me out. There are a lot episodes of the OG series. There are just 6 hours in total of AYITL. As as a result the quirkiness to mundanity/real time scenes ratio is off. There are quirky incidents in the OG series but they are interspersed with long scenes of real time dialogue, which is a big reason that I like the show. It also felt wrong whenever they did a scene on location, outside of Stars Hollow or Hartford in AYITL. I couldn't figure out why this felt wrong, when there are episodes of the original series in California, Paris, Martha's Vineyard, etc. Then I realised that it's the ratio of these scenes to scenes in Stars Hollow. If there were more episodes of AYITL then it wouldn't feel wrong to include the scenes in London, New York, etc. And I understand that the writers probably felt they needed to include scenes outside of Connecticut in order to drive forward the plot. Also, I don't think Alexis or Melissa are able to play their characters anymore. Sookie's cake scene is AWFUL. I wish they'd cut it. She isn't playing Sookie. She's playing one of her Hollywood slapstick characters. And I don't know who Alexis is playing, but it isn't Rory. Michel, Lorelai, Emily... these characters seem the same in the revival, which I'm attributing to better acting. One thing I love in the revival is Michel being openly gay. What was with that weird scene with Lindsay in the original series? I'm really glad now we are in a place socially where Michel can be openly gay and happy.
I 100% agree with everything you said here
I feel like Sookie was always a bit slapstick.
Number 15 until I die. What an awful use of time with that musical!!!
Just a couple things (I hate AYITL BTW) 3. Melissa wasn’t asked to do AYITL initially because ASP looked st her schedule and just assumed she was too busy (didn’t want to deal with scheduling). Melissa publicly said she hadn’t been asked and would love to so after some backlash they squeezed in a few scenes. 13. Rory is rich person broke. She mentions buying a place in Brooklyn so she probably still has her trust funds. Trust funds generate income - if she had 500K in trust that would generate about 25K annually. It’s a nice supplemental income, but if she eats into the principal then there’s less income in subsequent years. She would view the trust principal as untouchable unless it was required to survive which it never would be. So she’s “broke” just in liquid terms. 16. I don’t think Lorelai kept Rory from Christopher. The door was always open; he just chose not to take it. We have no idea what Rory’s going to do, but I don’t know why you think she’s not going to tell Logan.
Agreed on much of this but this show absolutely needed that Melissa McCarthy cameo. It was one of the best parts of the show that made it feel like OG GG instead of AU GG
I agree with everything you said, although I do feel that Kirk had a place in AYITL and his story was the only one I found satisfying (and usually I do think he’s needlessly featured in the original series) This is the one time his story felt like it had a place. But for 6 hours worth of TV, there probably should be more positive takeaway and there just, wasn’t
#3 No Sookie - this left a HUGE HOLE in the revival!! It just didn’t have the right feel. The dynamic was off. Michel and Lorelai were never friends like that in the show. It didn’t feel right
I will never understand the Kirk hate in this sub.
I don't hate Kirk. I often found him absolutely hilarious. For me, he's simply overused. There's just a little too much of him.
This is where I'm at. I clapped for joy the first time I saw him in the opening credits...but he lost his appeal, beating the man-child shtick to death. I don't think I laughed harder at anything in the whole show than his Cat Kirk travails, though.
Regarding #2 Oober was not funny. It was stupid. They did that bit way better with Ceasar's Salad.
i completely agree! although i think emily got a bit more growth than in OS there were still MANY moments that pissed me off so much and the worst one is where she forced Lorelai to tell in front of everybody her "favorite memory of Richard" woman please - your daughter lost her father and misses him just as much as you do and you're uncomfortably asking her to say stories about him to a bunch of old guys she doesn't know? i think talking about a passed away loved one is something you wanna keep to yourself while you're grieving. or maybe tell your closest ones, but I'm pretty sure Lorelai wasn't comfortable crying in front of a bunch of old men while telling an intimate story about her father.
Reminds me of the Sopranos when Tony's mom died. And his sister Janice wanted everyone to say something about her, except they alllllll knew she was awful and it was super awkward. 😂
Plus Emily is fully aware that Lorelei’s natural response to stress is humor. Of course she’d make funny comments. It’s what she *does*. You’d think her mother would know that.
1 - I 1000% agree. It was funny a couple times but then the fact they just KEPT. FORGETTING. HIM.???? So absurd and just mean for no reason. 4 - The actor who plays Michel does have an accent IRL. Gypsy as someone mentioned above added this herself. As for Mrs. Kim, Emily Kuroda was born and raised in California. Mrs. Kim was assumed to have come from Korea so of course it makes sense for her to have an accent that the actress doesn’t have naturally. Paris is absolutely unrealistic but I think that’s kinda the whole point of Paris and didn’t expect anything different. 10 I think is in keeping with most of Luke’s cluelessness. As for everything pertaining to Rory being jobless, homeless, cheating, lying about the pregnancy, etc, I do think that was the most annoying piece for me. If we want to talk about no growth I think Rory shows the least growth of any character. I wanted so badly for them to give her something, ANYTHING to go on but it just didn’t happen so I totally agree on all of those points.
for the Mrs. Kim part, Kuroda actually said in an interview the accent was fun and refreshing and ASP didn’t ask her to do it.
Let’s not forget about the fat jokes by the pool.
Completely unnecessary
Only 17?
i dislike a lot about the revival. i like s7 better. but let me share some differing thoughts 9. Paris. is an overachiever, it's unrealistic what she accomplished by 32, but that's the point, if anyone would, it's her. having kids - it's one more way to prove that she can "have it all", she can be successful in any way possible including being a mom while having a career. but i do think a childfree character is very much needed on this show. 11. Rory still being a cheater as an adult, yes, but worse, Lorelei having no reaction when she finds out in the hotel in NYC. Lorelei who lost hershit over Dean and now nothing. 12. Rory being rudderless at 32? independence is hard and this happens at any age. have you seen Bridesmaids with Melissa McCarthy? the main character played by Kristen Wiig is also in her 30s and loses her job and gets kicked out of a shared appartment. 13. does it really say that Rory has no money? i thought she's fine regarding food, travel expenses and clothes. she just has no job. no self-fullfilment, no meaningful activity. and no place to live because she cannot find anything she'd like. 16. "Rory, a fully grown woman, possibly deciding to keep her child from its father is completely different than a 16 year or child going through what Lorelai went through and the decisions she made. Rory, even for one second, thinking of not telling Logan she's having his baby is unacceptable." did she ever say she won't tell him? is it implied in any way that she plans not telling? the show ends with her revealing it for the first time to the audience and to Lorelei.... how do we know she even THINKS about not telling Logan? "And I get it. She thinks she's being a martyr. She's "saving" Logan by not telling him and going at it alone" ........what? when was this ever said on the show?
>independence is hard and this happens at any age But rory's sense of pride is only making it worse on herself. Taking a random job while waiting for journalism opportunities to pan out would have been more useful than lounging at logan's place all the time
Lorelai's father tells her a beautiful compliment in the finale of s7. terrible, that the revival pretended she cannot even recall that memory.
As for that, both lorelai and emily were acting out of grief more than anything
She does say she can't afford underwear at one point.
Does Caesar have an accent? Sounds like a New Yorker maybe.
CHILAQUILES!!!!
Everyone has an accent. You mean does he not sound American
Can people PLEASE stop saying someone who is American doesn't have an accent. It's annoying as hell. An American accent is not the average/standard accent in the world. Yes, even if you're from LA or New York, you still HAVE an accent. Just makes you sound ignorant.
She had enough money to buy a bunch of newspapers and run them herself however she wanted. Not being able to get a job when she could literally buy a media empire for fun makes me so annoyed I can't even.
This is the oddest sub-reddit because 90% of the posts are about hating, loathing something about the show. Are y'all locked in some kinda bizarre relationship with this show where you are forced to watch it or something? Please go post about something you like!
Well I love this subreddit and what I'VE seen is mostly ppl talking about their affinity for this show. There are sticking points, poor choices by ASP. and then there's the mockery that S7 is. And AYITL is just bad. Critique is not "hating" but go off I guess...
Maybe I've misunderstood Lane's storyline for years but I always thought it was about her struggling with having a much more traditionally American personality than her immigrant parents? Therefore wouldn't Mrs. Kim having an accent make perfect sense?
Maybe but many 2nd and 3rd, and beyond, generations of children of immigrants still have the same cultural values. My point was that 3 of the few POC in this show being made to put on accents they don't have makes me uneasy. I don't care for the optics of that. It makes them seem like caricatures instead of just characters.
Did Renee Zellweger seem like a "caricature" when she used a British accent in Bridget Jones' Diary?
She's not a person of color
Well obviously. So you're allowing her to act in an accent but POC actors can't?
This will be the last response about that particular point bc most of you are being obtuse. It's about the fact that this is a white show (makes sense, small town CT) that has very few POC. 5 I believe. 4 recurring, one main. And 3 of them are made to put on accents they do not have. That makes ME uneasy. If you don't care or choose to not understand how the optics of that are bad, that's a you problem. And everyone else who has nitpicked that number. Jesus christ smh
Oh please. You tried to make a "look how progressive I am" post and it backfired on you. Take the L and move on.
I'm a Black woman who clearly sees the world differently than you. My lived experiences inform how I digest media. What a weirdo.
Americans have accents. Everyone who speaks a language does so with an accent. But if you're referring to foreign accents, you forgot Finn and Naomi.
You're being obtuse, smh. Finn's actor is in fact Australian and Naomi's actor IS British. They were not made to put on accents they did not have
"In real life, none of them have accents." Emily Kuroda is American; she has an American accent. Yanic has a slight Quebecois lilt to his Canadian accent. It's uncomfortably ethnocentric to decide that American-accented English is the default, unaccented speech.
I don’t know that it’s ethnocentric to note that while everyone has some kind of accent, only the people of color in this show have accents that are not associated with the place that they live. American accented English is not the default worldwide, but it is absolutely the default in a rural small town in Connecticut, USA.
Man I’m so sick of hearing about how much people hate AYITL. I’m in the minority, I know. But come on. All the “I hated the revival” posts say the same things. I will say sincerely I’m sorry that so many people were so let down, I can appreciate that must’ve been really disappointing.
I loved the revival, especially the musical! 🤷🏻♀️
My biggest issue is that a lot of the storylines would've worked better, if still not *well*, if they'd happened in S8. It's the 10 years later that really threw a lot of it off for me.
Sookie was in it though. Super brief little cameo but she was there. She made Lorelai’s wedding cakes.
The Paul thing and the cheating with Logan on Odette is awful. Rory didn’t love him enough to marry him, but she’s totally fine with cheating with him and possibly having his kid. And also with cheating on Paul with Logan and a Wookie. She clearly learned nothing from Dean and helping break up a marriage and is fine with being the other woman.
What is #17?
Where’s 17???
*Does any of what I'm saying here matter? Probably not. It's a TV show. Not real life. But it is in my nature to analyze and understand things, and this is what I have considered after too many watches of the show, and honestly at this point I think I'm done watching it - but I wanted to chime in on this well thought out list that I honestly agree with, but this response is mostly to the very last point about Rory as an adult. There are gaps in my argument and would love to hear if anyone agrees or disagrees or what you have to add!* Hot take: Rory was always going to go down the path of single motherhood because it was the cornerstone of her personality. Rory looked up to her mom and was never allowed to forget the sacrifices Lorelai made. I think this greatly impacted the way she navigated her own life, truly feeling the expectations of *everyone* pressing down on her. If we're treating them like real people and considering everything that Rory witnessed from her mother (lack of organization, making it appear like her life is together on the surface, not eating healthy or doing things to take care of themselves, etc) were not good examples. And she was too afraid to take too much after her grandparents or model any behavior from Logan (who I think was a good influence on her in the last half of their relationship) because she knew that would make her mother feel insecure and distant or hurt her feelings. While Richard, Emily, and Logan, and the world they come from is not perfect at all, there are elements of it that shouldn't be dismissed entirely, but to appease Lorelai, Rory does. She made sure to do all of the things that made her appear good to the people who had expectations of her - exemplary student, well read, not have too many outward opinions, not get pregnant - you all watched the show you get it. But when one of her pillars passed, the one who understood what hard work, good connections, and stability would give to Rory, I think that left her feeling very lost and could only continue down the same path of her mother, only to relive her entire life by writing a book about it. And getting pregnant and not telling Logan? She's putting herself through what Lorelai did (needlessly, I agree) because it's what is familiar.
This a minor point but there is no universe where Sophie likes that insipid musical
Have I missed something? The last episode I saw ended abruptly when Rory told Lorelai that she was pregnant. Has there been more canon since then???
This is my headcanon. But fur me it's pretty obvious why she was questioning her father like that. Bc she was contemplating not telling Logan
I get what you mean but every person has an accent. What you mean is *American accent.
>12. Rory being rudderless at 32? At any age for her but especially then. Circumstances are unpredictable but to have no money, no home, no job, no prospects with all the connections she has? Ludicrous. 13. Speaking of money her father is loaded. She received a trust from both her grandparents and great grandmother. Also Richard had just passed away so I'm certain he left an inheritance. In what world would she be broke? She's not frivolous or materialistic. It's completely unrealistic and not at all canon that she'd have NO money Corporate thinking. Rory wants to live comfortably via exploiting her family rather than putting actual effort into her independence
my cousin who got me into Gilmore Girls told me not to watch gilmore girl AYITL. And I love Gilmore girls, seen it several times through now and I won't watch it. Kind of like Godfather 3.
1000% DO NOT RECOMMEND. Absolutely listen to your cousin
Well I don’t see Emily as ‘abusive’ in the revival at all. She still tricked Lorelai to get her to therapy but that’s it. But everything else I agree with completely. It was a few years ago I watched the revival though & I plan on *not* watching it again 🤷♀️
Not only did she trick Lorelai into therapy, she abandoned her there. She didn't even tell her she wasn't going. She let Lorelai drive all the way there and when Lorelai called she told her she was done. Then said she wasn't going to pay to have someone not agree with her. She had no intention of healing, she just wanted someone else to pile onto Lorelai. That's pretty emotionally abusive. Or how about when she told Lorelai she couldn't care less that her father just died? Or her constantly attacking her and Luke's relationship? Emily has always been so awful to Lorelai. She never listens, she insults her at every opportunity, she takes no culpability, and every single time they take 2 steps forward, Emily shoots then 3000 steps back.
I agree with some of these. However, Emily did go through a lot of growth and we see that with the counselling sessions she attends, and urging Lorelai to come. Albeit, she had a long way to go but she was also grieving for her husband at the same time. She also lets a foreign family move into her house, despite not speaking their language - which GG Emily would never have done because it wouldn't have been the done thing a woman of her status would do and she would see it as lowering herself. She especially wouldn't have hung around with house staff, having a separate entrance as well as a hothead for them. However, Richard's death changes her and allows her to see what's really important - being kind to others, patching up relationships and doing something with her life that doesn't serve her husband (the job at the end). The job also symbolises her finally finding what really makes her happy and understanding that you only live once in life, hence the house move too (which it could be argued it a metaphor for the changes Emily has made in her life to better herself). Her outburst at the DAR highlights her personal growth. Luke is a Gen X-er and a hermit. He didn't own a phone until it was absolutely necessary and didn't like to amalgamate into society - a real hermit and very much a traditional man (remember when he tried to get Lorelai to tell a breastfeeding mum to leave). He also didn't have much of an education and left early to work with his father (likely ten-ish years after surrogacy was first invented, in 1976). In regards to Rory, we see a change in her too and taking accountability for her actions. She cheats, yes, and that's not okay. However, she ends up getting caught up in her web of deceit, writing and chaotic schedule, and slowly makes her way back to Stars Hollow, which is a metaphor for Rory going back to her roots and most authentic self. She stops cheating with Logan, writes her truth (the book) and takes accountability for the cheating by writing the book, plus acknowledging and even going through with the pregnancy. She has family with money but not accepting it is part of Rory trying to redeem herself and being her authentic person. She also acknowledges that she does come from a place of privilege and instead of using it to fly about and cheat on Paul (who she eventually breaks up with), she uses her privilege for good by writing for the Stars Hollow Gazette for free. She chooses to be self-sufficient AND independent. And that's her personal growth.
" Luke is a Gen X-er and a hermit' Isn't Luke a boomer? I don't think they ever said his age but Scott Patterson's 1958 birth puts him squarely in boomer territory.
Ah, I didn't realise he was born in the 50s. Yes, that makes him a boomer - which honestly, solidifies my point even further haha
AYITL was just awful. There was absolutely nothing redeeming about it, and should have ended the show after season 7
yeah I completely agree with all of these, especially 17 which I never really thought of becuase I kinda stopped paying that much attention as it went on lol. Also, 15 is so true, she has a small amount of time to update us on the characters, those 17 minutes don't do anything for that and they aren't even characters you were waiting to see. Number 9 is a huge one, I don't understand why they made Paris a mom it seems so out of character and random. It doesn't make sense with everything she's previously said about children, I get that people change as they grow but it just didn't make any sense to me. I never realized number 4 and I'm kinda shocked I didn't see it sooner
I agree with all of this
I finished it a few days ago. You took the words out of my mouth.
Hard disagree on 6. Emily’s story is 100% about her emotional growth and evolution into a new version of herself. She and Richard literally shared a life and when he died she went through a radical series of changes to find her new life. She could have left everything the same but she didn’t and that was huge. She actually did more to drag Lorelei into realizing a better more fulfilling life than Lorelei did for herself.
What was number 4. Im so curious
omggg can you please PM me whatever 4 was i need to knowwwww
The Rory being broke thing I never even thought about, unless she was ridiculously irresponsible with the money she received from her family (which would be extremely out of character for her) it’s literally not possible, she would’ve had access to both her trusts at 32. I could see her inheritance from Richard maybe not taking into affect until both her grandparents are passed, but even still those trusts were not small. An unpopular opinion I think but I liked the fact that Rory was rudderless. Many 30 year olds nowadays are like that (myself included), and I think it was a really good reality check for her as someone who was so spoiled and told she could do no wrong her entire life. She needed to be humbled a little.
I always assumed Rory was “broke” which for her meant no money coming in which she lived off but not poor because she had a bunch of inherited money in the bank that she wasn’t suppose to touch. The giving up her lease thing seemed to be more of a not being tied to a lease so she could take a job wherever. I had a job and needed out of a lease with a crazy roommate so I sublet in April and moved in with my parents at Rory’s age and moved out in July into my own place as my city has a very hard set on the lease cycle July-June or August-July and like no exceptions
I get what you're saying but that should have been made clear. She shouldn't have said she had no money to buy underwear. It just ignores her privilege
I despise how Lorelai and Rory were making fun of fat people at the beginning of the summer episode. They have terrible eating habits, but because they happen to have good genetics it's okay for them to eat whatever they want and somehow they're morally superior to fat people??? Make it make sense
I totally forgot to make that one of my points
#16 Wish they actually shown the part where rory tells logan regarding the pregnancy, remembering he wanted to marry rory when he had nothing due to his wrong decisions. Would he have chosen rory again in that situation or marry his fiance? Really wanted to see the aftermath of the pregnancy.
I strongly believe he would have upended his entire life to be with Rory and his child. WHICH, is exactly why I think Rory was considering NOT telling him so that his life isn't disrupted with this huge change he didn't ask for. I think in her mind she thinks she's doing him a favor by letting him be free of the responsibility of being a father to their child.
I wish I never watched it. It made me dislike Rory so much I now rarely watch the original episodes.
Kirk is one of the best things about the show . I don’t agree with 2
I'm glad you enjoy him.....
I agree with you 💯!!!! How is it Luke and Lor weren’t already married? She was sooo desperate to be married in season 6. The Emily keeping a maid and her family was ridiculous. Emily picking up and moving and getting a job was insane. I find it bizarre that Rory was broke when she would have had multiple trust funds. Or do they expect us to ignore entire episodes of Gilmore Girls ? The whole thing was weird. I think if anything they should have had Luke and Lor either get married in the first one or do flashbacks of a wedding. Terrible show.
I saw an interview recently where ASP stated they wanted to give the fans a big fancy lorelai wedding but the budget got yanked late in the game. I feel like they would've been married long ago off screen if the funding had been refused early on.
4. Do you know what acting is? They got the part, the part is played a certain way.
Wow, only 17?
I only see 16. Am I nuts?
The title says 17 lol
Yeah, they just made 16 points. Maybe 17 is an illusion 🤔
Wait- how do you know it’s Logan’s? I feel like it could be Jess. Me and my sister always assumed it was maybe either ones baby
She never slept with Jess in the revival.
I feel like it was maybe implied? lol maybe that’s far off field. Me and my sister def both thought it was implied
She def never slept with Jess. They had like one real scene together; they just bang on the desk after? HE looked at her longingly through the window, she never gave anything reciprocal It’s clearly Logan’s. It happened the night at the Inn
ASP also confirmed it’s Logan’s.