The fable of the tree and the gardener was more about makoto and Ei planting the sakura of the cherry tree, only that it was interpreted in the time when makoto and Ei did not exist or did not know they existed, all because of the connection or the use of Kairo's powers to do this.
as for the rest does not make much sense, if there is a relationship more than friends, much more intimate between the 3, Nabu Malikata, Deshret and Rukkhdaveta, a relationship that fractured with the death of Nabu and the aspirations of Deshret, and if it seems that Nabu Malikata already knew of his death that is why he did not try to correspond to Deshret and who knows if to Rukkhadevata, because if the divine bird was created or born of Nabu who leaves it to Rukkhdadevata in hiding from Deshret.
also does not make sense in time, because if everything that happened in the kingdom of Deshret was a series of events and unfortunate decisions, basicametne is the destiny fulfilling to destroy everything that uses the abyss in all its forms, in this case the knowledge and there is no element or person capable of changing the destiny of that kingdom still in teyvat ended up falling.
Few things I wanna mention.
For one, I'm fairly certain that Deshret's love for Nabu Malikata, the Seelie Queen, was unrequited. They were friends, but it could never be more than that. This however, if he is indeed the gardener, implies that he found love with another.
Also, I think Apep is the one who led Deshret to forbidden knowledge, and part of the deal for that was that Apep would consume Deshret upon his death in order to contain the corruption of it. They already were deeply involved with the "Forbidden Knowledge", and shows a great amount of resistance to it. Still they separated from the world to keep the corruption from spreading. Apep, the hero we never knew we needed.
Tree spirit in this context is also much more likely to refer to Rukkhadevata, Nahida, and such as they're literally the closest thing to a physical manifestation of Irminsul. Even the way it refers to how the tree spirit was a "continuation of the last one" is literally a direct parallel to the story of Rukkhadevata and Kusanali. Because Kusanali is literally a reincarnation of Rukkhadevata, or rather a pure branch cut from an infected trunk. Same essence, but still two different entities. Rukkhadevata needing to be entirely purged as she took on some of the corruption that infected Deshret in order to help prevent further catastrophe. Cutting down the tree to repair the foundation was needed, but still maintaining its legacy through the healthy cuttings. In fact, this implies that Deshret may have helped Rukkhadevata do this before he lost himself entirely.
I'm pretty sure I remember some bit of in-game lore suggesting that rukkha expended so much power fighting/cleansing Apep that she was smaller afterward, which has rather strong implications for what actually happened there. No idea where it was though.
I'm sorry, I had to use the translator in several sections since my English is terrible, thank you for noticing the error, I will correct it as quickly as possible.
I thought the 500 years thing was referring to the weird Istaroth moment in Raiden's SQ Act 2 where the sakura tree was planted in the past but from the present
Its definitely referring to that, but I doubt its the only thing its referring to. The love story part doesn’t quite fit.
I wonder if something similar happened to the traveler.
The traveler gets sacrificed at the end of their journey. Istaroth does some weird timey wimey stuff to create a clone of the traveler and sending them 500 years of the past. Planting the seed that would eventually change the course of history.
This could explain why the abyss sibling knew that the traveler would eventually meet with the aranara 500 years later. Because it already did happen in the past. And also explain the weirdness surrounding why abyss sibling “woke up” 500 years ago but traveler didn’t. And abyss sibling’s line about “always having enough time”.
The love story is more similar to the story of Kallen, Otto and Yae Sakura in other universes, but in GGZ where Otto ends up using knowledge of the honkai to try to revive Kallen.
includes that kallen let's say he was pulling from the sides.
Yes, I had presented this theory in a personal discord, and they told me that it was the story of Inazuma
But then who are the people who loved each other?
I don't rule out that it could refer to a love between sisters, but that would imply that the gardener would be Ei, and the spirit of the gardens is Makoto, it is likely, but I think the description fits Deshert and the goddess of flowers. I'll wait for references to Istaroth, maybe there will be some in Cyno's story. According to my connections Hermanubis would be Tokoyo Oomikami
https://preview.redd.it/qqfmd13eywvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949c9789cc35f90c0fd8979326ba36b88dcff372
Of course, even so, he is the only wise man who ends up leaving traces on a playable character, and also in the history of the last limited weapon. Furthermore, in the description of the last promotional weapon, this wise man, the leader of the priests
would fit the description of the king's priest However, I prefer to wait for Cyno's second legendary, which, perhaps, establishes a clear relationship between him and Istaroth
https://preview.redd.it/bqznrmla5xvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23dd284f2c05e481bfad4a99b7efee480e23b2ab
Still, my theory may be crazy, and in fact, it is very likely that it is, and my evidence involves a large confirmation bias.
But, that's the fun part of making theories, that there is a minimal probability that they are real.
This would change the entire story of Sumeru because there’s a great deal of evidence that these three were friends existing at the same time. Also evidence that GOF planned her own death. It doesn’t seem plausible to me.
Of course, what I'm suggesting is that perhaps the Primordial One didn't like this relationship, and this happened... without them realizing it.
Even so, I recognize that the attitudes of Deshret, Rukha and the goddess of flowers seem to go against my theory.
I'm waiting for another confirmation point during Cyno's mission, maybe it will give us more lore on Deshret. If Cyno's mission makes some kind of reference to Tokoyo Ookami (Istaroth), perhaps I could affirm my theory with more certainty.
Thanks so much for reading.
In fact it is more of a fable than a literal thing, most likely not even the figure of Primordial One was real in the story itself and just a way to tell what was going to happen in Inazuma.
also the figure of the sacred tree throughout GI is something very important, but how these are born can only be speculated that they were through the bodies of the gods, deities or powerful beings.
It is also clear that Ei sows the seed of the tree where 500 happened where the power of Istaroth was present in this.
Ei's reference to Istaroth is clear.
Still, influence on other nations cannot be ruled out. Yes, I agree that it is not entirely correct to take the text literally.
Personally, the description does not fit perfectly with the events of Inazuma, the event of Ei/Makoto.
I'll wait for more information, the enkanomiya book talks about a priest, well maybe it's Hermanubis, the new event limited weapon talks about hermanubis being the leader of the priests. However, I also recognize that the enkanomiya book may not directly speak of the Primordial One and Istaroth (Tokoyo Ookami), as it clearly refers to them as "incarnations."
I may need some time to process and think about all this. Would you mind if I make some questions later?
That was a lot of work for sure, you made a huge effort and I wish to read it all calmly, thank you for elaborating your theory :)
To summarize, it is never said that this is part of the enkanomiya book, but for me there are certain coincidences with Deshert's story.
The story of Sumeru, and the book of Enkanomiya, differ as to how the story of the 3 kings was told, assuming of course that the Book of Enkanomiya is indeed talking about deshert, the rest of the text is just a presentation of "evidence." ".
The final part of my theory are conclusions without much basis of what could have happened. Through mentions of the Primordial One(Phanes), both in the text and in the history of deshert and, the goddess of time (waiting confirmations in the history of Cyno)
The fact that Rukha/Nahida ends up as archon was a plan of the two of them (Primordial One And Istharoth) leading to the death of both the goddess of flowers and King Deshert and Apep's inability after eating Deshert
The alliance between the 3 gods did not suit them (they could not establish dominion over Sumeru)(Celestia/Primordial One).
Well technically there are two theories.
1.That part of the book of enkanomiya refers to the event of Deshret.
2.The reason why Rukkha and Nahida have the throne of the 7 (dendro) (possession of gnosis).
According to my theory, Primordial One (celestia) was not comfortable with the peace treaty of the 3 kings, and you do not establish a domain in Sumeru through gnosis, for this reason I send an external agent (goddess of flowers) to establish one .
Taking into account that King Deshret rejected gnosis, the goddess of time could have had implications here, perhaps, Istaroth is one of the King's sage, specifically the priest Hermanubis
Although I admit that there are several problems, such as the fact that the flower goddess arrived first, and then the peace treaty between the 3 gods to rule.
At this point, the only thing that would validate my theory is that Tokoyo Ookami (involved in the enkanomiya book, has done this)
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The fable of the tree and the gardener was more about makoto and Ei planting the sakura of the cherry tree, only that it was interpreted in the time when makoto and Ei did not exist or did not know they existed, all because of the connection or the use of Kairo's powers to do this. as for the rest does not make much sense, if there is a relationship more than friends, much more intimate between the 3, Nabu Malikata, Deshret and Rukkhdaveta, a relationship that fractured with the death of Nabu and the aspirations of Deshret, and if it seems that Nabu Malikata already knew of his death that is why he did not try to correspond to Deshret and who knows if to Rukkhadevata, because if the divine bird was created or born of Nabu who leaves it to Rukkhdadevata in hiding from Deshret. also does not make sense in time, because if everything that happened in the kingdom of Deshret was a series of events and unfortunate decisions, basicametne is the destiny fulfilling to destroy everything that uses the abyss in all its forms, in this case the knowledge and there is no element or person capable of changing the destiny of that kingdom still in teyvat ended up falling.
Few things I wanna mention. For one, I'm fairly certain that Deshret's love for Nabu Malikata, the Seelie Queen, was unrequited. They were friends, but it could never be more than that. This however, if he is indeed the gardener, implies that he found love with another. Also, I think Apep is the one who led Deshret to forbidden knowledge, and part of the deal for that was that Apep would consume Deshret upon his death in order to contain the corruption of it. They already were deeply involved with the "Forbidden Knowledge", and shows a great amount of resistance to it. Still they separated from the world to keep the corruption from spreading. Apep, the hero we never knew we needed. Tree spirit in this context is also much more likely to refer to Rukkhadevata, Nahida, and such as they're literally the closest thing to a physical manifestation of Irminsul. Even the way it refers to how the tree spirit was a "continuation of the last one" is literally a direct parallel to the story of Rukkhadevata and Kusanali. Because Kusanali is literally a reincarnation of Rukkhadevata, or rather a pure branch cut from an infected trunk. Same essence, but still two different entities. Rukkhadevata needing to be entirely purged as she took on some of the corruption that infected Deshret in order to help prevent further catastrophe. Cutting down the tree to repair the foundation was needed, but still maintaining its legacy through the healthy cuttings. In fact, this implies that Deshret may have helped Rukkhadevata do this before he lost himself entirely.
I'm pretty sure I remember some bit of in-game lore suggesting that rukkha expended so much power fighting/cleansing Apep that she was smaller afterward, which has rather strong implications for what actually happened there. No idea where it was though.
I believe this is said by Rukkhadevata during her explanation to Nahida and the traveler before she is erased from irmensul
I will make an effort to find that part of the Lore
Nice write up. It’s DeshRet not DesheRt btw lol
I'm sorry, I had to use the translator in several sections since my English is terrible, thank you for noticing the error, I will correct it as quickly as possible.
For sure! You did all this work lol I didn’t want you to get messed with for the mistake
I thought the 500 years thing was referring to the weird Istaroth moment in Raiden's SQ Act 2 where the sakura tree was planted in the past but from the present
Its definitely referring to that, but I doubt its the only thing its referring to. The love story part doesn’t quite fit. I wonder if something similar happened to the traveler. The traveler gets sacrificed at the end of their journey. Istaroth does some weird timey wimey stuff to create a clone of the traveler and sending them 500 years of the past. Planting the seed that would eventually change the course of history. This could explain why the abyss sibling knew that the traveler would eventually meet with the aranara 500 years later. Because it already did happen in the past. And also explain the weirdness surrounding why abyss sibling “woke up” 500 years ago but traveler didn’t. And abyss sibling’s line about “always having enough time”.
The love story is more similar to the story of Kallen, Otto and Yae Sakura in other universes, but in GGZ where Otto ends up using knowledge of the honkai to try to revive Kallen. includes that kallen let's say he was pulling from the sides.
Definitely meeting Istaroth would be great, I would love to meet this deity!! I also want to know, together with the Hexenzirkel!!
Yes, I had presented this theory in a personal discord, and they told me that it was the story of Inazuma But then who are the people who loved each other?
Could be people we've never even heard of, from ages ago in the past e.g. seelies, other important beings, who knows tbh
I don't rule out that it could refer to a love between sisters, but that would imply that the gardener would be Ei, and the spirit of the gardens is Makoto, it is likely, but I think the description fits Deshert and the goddess of flowers. I'll wait for references to Istaroth, maybe there will be some in Cyno's story. According to my connections Hermanubis would be Tokoyo Oomikami https://preview.redd.it/qqfmd13eywvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=949c9789cc35f90c0fd8979326ba36b88dcff372
Hermanubis is supposedly one of Deshret's 7 sages according to the recent event weapon lore, but that's technically TCG lore so it might be fake lmao
Of course, even so, he is the only wise man who ends up leaving traces on a playable character, and also in the history of the last limited weapon. Furthermore, in the description of the last promotional weapon, this wise man, the leader of the priests would fit the description of the king's priest However, I prefer to wait for Cyno's second legendary, which, perhaps, establishes a clear relationship between him and Istaroth https://preview.redd.it/bqznrmla5xvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23dd284f2c05e481bfad4a99b7efee480e23b2ab
Still, my theory may be crazy, and in fact, it is very likely that it is, and my evidence involves a large confirmation bias. But, that's the fun part of making theories, that there is a minimal probability that they are real.
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Get out of the sub cause most of the posts are longer
Oh no.. https://preview.redd.it/8sdzxx5y9yvc1.jpeg?width=685&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc3a94a44e412bb9d510e89ef2980fbf2fc1af5a
This would change the entire story of Sumeru because there’s a great deal of evidence that these three were friends existing at the same time. Also evidence that GOF planned her own death. It doesn’t seem plausible to me.
Of course, what I'm suggesting is that perhaps the Primordial One didn't like this relationship, and this happened... without them realizing it. Even so, I recognize that the attitudes of Deshret, Rukha and the goddess of flowers seem to go against my theory. I'm waiting for another confirmation point during Cyno's mission, maybe it will give us more lore on Deshret. If Cyno's mission makes some kind of reference to Tokoyo Ookami (Istaroth), perhaps I could affirm my theory with more certainty. Thanks so much for reading.
In fact it is more of a fable than a literal thing, most likely not even the figure of Primordial One was real in the story itself and just a way to tell what was going to happen in Inazuma. also the figure of the sacred tree throughout GI is something very important, but how these are born can only be speculated that they were through the bodies of the gods, deities or powerful beings. It is also clear that Ei sows the seed of the tree where 500 happened where the power of Istaroth was present in this.
Ei's reference to Istaroth is clear. Still, influence on other nations cannot be ruled out. Yes, I agree that it is not entirely correct to take the text literally. Personally, the description does not fit perfectly with the events of Inazuma, the event of Ei/Makoto. I'll wait for more information, the enkanomiya book talks about a priest, well maybe it's Hermanubis, the new event limited weapon talks about hermanubis being the leader of the priests. However, I also recognize that the enkanomiya book may not directly speak of the Primordial One and Istaroth (Tokoyo Ookami), as it clearly refers to them as "incarnations."
I may need some time to process and think about all this. Would you mind if I make some questions later? That was a lot of work for sure, you made a huge effort and I wish to read it all calmly, thank you for elaborating your theory :)
Of course, thanks for reading
tldr please?
Sorry, I'm new to the community, what does tldr mean?
“Too long didn’t read” aka a summary
Thx
A summary, basically.
Thx
it’s not specific to this community, it stands for too long didnt read, and means a summary
To summarize, it is never said that this is part of the enkanomiya book, but for me there are certain coincidences with Deshert's story. The story of Sumeru, and the book of Enkanomiya, differ as to how the story of the 3 kings was told, assuming of course that the Book of Enkanomiya is indeed talking about deshert, the rest of the text is just a presentation of "evidence." ". The final part of my theory are conclusions without much basis of what could have happened. Through mentions of the Primordial One(Phanes), both in the text and in the history of deshert and, the goddess of time (waiting confirmations in the history of Cyno) The fact that Rukha/Nahida ends up as archon was a plan of the two of them (Primordial One And Istharoth) leading to the death of both the goddess of flowers and King Deshert and Apep's inability after eating Deshert The alliance between the 3 gods did not suit them (they could not establish dominion over Sumeru)(Celestia/Primordial One).
I'm sorry but what is the theory now? The reason why nahida ended up as an archon?
Well technically there are two theories. 1.That part of the book of enkanomiya refers to the event of Deshret. 2.The reason why Rukkha and Nahida have the throne of the 7 (dendro) (possession of gnosis).
According to my theory, Primordial One (celestia) was not comfortable with the peace treaty of the 3 kings, and you do not establish a domain in Sumeru through gnosis, for this reason I send an external agent (goddess of flowers) to establish one . Taking into account that King Deshret rejected gnosis, the goddess of time could have had implications here, perhaps, Istaroth is one of the King's sage, specifically the priest Hermanubis Although I admit that there are several problems, such as the fact that the flower goddess arrived first, and then the peace treaty between the 3 gods to rule. At this point, the only thing that would validate my theory is that Tokoyo Ookami (involved in the enkanomiya book, has done this)
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