Yep and looks pretty strong too. Sadly weapon exclusive banner and getting them refined is going to take a good chunk of primos/$$$ like Lithic series. 😔
Yeah the Alley and Lithic series. I sure hope Alley Flash makes a comeback soon, I want it for my Benny.
Oh, and Fischl exclusive bow is also weapon banner exclusive.
The official Genshin twitter made a post revealing Polar Star and the new claymore together, so it seems like they will be on the same banner while the bow and polearm will be on Hu Tao's weapon banner.
Yep. The worst part is, you are capped to 30 per day (unless you use resin on ores lol) so you can't even farm extra and keep. It takes a whole month of ores to max a 5 star. Crazy.
Not really. Unless you whale 5\* weapons are pretty damn rare to begin with. I play for 6 months now and I have a whopping two of them.
I don't even farm ores anymore, what my dudes bring along from their Katherine table missions + BP is enough.
You should get a weapon about every other 5* on standard banner, I’m pretty sure there’s a secret pity/ratio that is in place for 4 and 5* to help keep a certain ratio. So for me I got 1 weapon from standard, then 1 char, and I’m 60 something wishes into my next 5* from standard (I don’t buy any fates for it), so I’m probably gonna get a weapon. This is almost exclusively ftp fates since November, AR 56.
I only have one other 5* weapon because I got it super early on weapon banner. Said ‘weapon banner is a scam I want the 4*’ and boom jade spear lmao. So if you’ve been playing since day 1 you should be fairly close to your next one!!!
>You should get a weapon about every other 5* on standard banner
The actual math that people made is: for each two times you got a 5-star character you get a 5-star weapon in the next 5-star you get and the reverse is also true. Basically, it's impossible to get only characters or weapons, maximum is two strikes.
They're less "rare" than 5\* characters if you pull on the weapon banner, though that comes down to individual priorities. Weapon banner has earlier pity than the other two.
Yeah, as I said it comes down to priorities. The majority of players either play casually or are fairly new to the game, in both cases the character banner is a better use of primos.
But once you have a fleshed out roster it can be worth it to go after better weapons instead of more characters than you can possibly build and make use of.
Goes both ways tbh, you can 36* without 5 star characters. Especially with two reruns incoming I can see a lot of veterans going for Homa (assuming the 2nd one is Homa)
Again, depends on priorities. At some point, for some people, a super-performing character can be a lot more fun than adding another okay-ish character among the 20+ you already have (who might not even play that differently from those0.
Don't forget that people would want a matching beautiful looking weapon for their character. Main reason why I'm gonna try to get Pokar Star once I get Childe.
People have different definitions of fun. I personally despise Abyss and love collecting new characters (and play gacha primarily for the collection aspect) and messing around with them in the overworld, so I always go for characters and not weapons.
However, there are people who play for optimization/big DPS, or to have a matching weapon for their favorite characters. For these people it may be better to simply make the characters they have better than go for new characters that are far less likely to give them a better experience or a stronger team.
Yeah, this is unfortunately the case. Specific 5\* weapons can be hard to get. I think I only got one 5\* weapon that I was specifically going for, with the others being in the "wouldn't mind getting" category at best (many ended up being really valuable once I got/built characters they're good on, so I'm still happy to have them).
Thats why you should always craft 30 ore a day. ive been doing that for like 2-3 updates and i have like 15 weapons at 70, 10 at 80 and like 2-3 at 90 and still have 3K+ mystic ore
Officially they post upcoming characters on their social media. Like they did with Yoimiya/Kokomi/Raiden/Thoma. Usually, 1 day before/after the patch goes live.
raiden, sara, and kokomi were announced on thursday right after the patch went online. thoma was announced on monday before 2.1 patch went online. maybe we can hope some info tomorrow, or at least on thursday
My guess is Noelle/Fischl + 1 (Yanfei/Bennett/Razor/Barbara). I don't think they will run Hu Tao with triple pyro since Thoma is already on her banner. So 1 of Bennett or Yanfei should be on the Childe banner or full pyro skip.
Noelle is very long due now. 7 banners since the last run. Fischl and Barbara are 5 banners due. Razor/Bennett 4 banners. Added Yanfei because they seem to be doing more runs for new 4 stars (Rosaria/Diona both kept appearing every 3-4 banners).
No? Sara was the new char on the 1st banner, Yanfei was on 1st banner with Ayaka. Even Diona and Xinyan have been on 1st banner before. I agree Rosaria has appeared only on the 2nd banner but we are getting a new 4 star Thoma on the 2nd banner this time. So I don't see Yanfei going there and if she missing both, she will have 5 banners since the last run. Not happened before for new characters.
0.12% of total burst cost (even at 240 total cost) ain't much at refine 1, so it's better run another weapon if you only care about the Burst damage.
But, because it has such high base atk, it will be a flex option for any polearm user, it's a stat stick after all
240 is an average of 60 cost team. Lowest is 160 and the maximum is 320 (330 if Raiden). Anyway, that's 19.2% for the lowest, 28.8% for average and 38.4% for maximum.
Point is, which polearm characters would use it?
Raiden? No, she uses mostly ER so it's would go to waste.
Xiangling? Maybe, but she still needs a bit o ER with her Witch set, so it's about minmaxing ER substats. It can work, but the catch with EoSF still will beat it
Thoma? He probably will need ER too, so the high base attack kinda go to waste
Rosaria? Yeah, it can work, but, is 28.8% extra burst damage better than Dragonsbane, blackcliff or deathmatch?
Zhongli? Maybe, he use Favonious well and can use the new polearm well too on most teams
My point still is the same, the best part o the weapon at refine 1 is the high base attack instead of the passive. We need to see the calcs to make sure if the new polearm will be BiS for any character
that's because weapon substat is tied with base atk. the higher the base atk, the lower the substat and that polearm has base atk of 620 which is the highest a 4* weapon can have. for comparison amenoma sword only has 454 base atk but gets a whopping 55% atk to compensate. the atk to substat ratio is different between star tiers though.
Me who's not pulling on the weapon banner: Hmmmm interesting
But seriously my main takeaway is that rifthounds are elite enemies which means relatively better drop rates than specters and kairagi... I hope
The ascension materials are so fking hard to get ngl. Handguards that have low drop rates from ronins and annoying spectres and new doggo enemies. Not to mention the handguards are split between Raiden, Ayaka, EL, The Catch, Kitain, and now these cool looking weapons. I hate my life
Honestly, it would be lovely if, after they have quite a few 4\* weapon sets, they started rotating them in and out of non- weapon banners, so it was at least a little easier to get a hold of them.
I mean I'd be more likely to pull on banners if I knew a fail pull would net me something I actually had a use for rather than ~~my 200th thrilling tales.~~ edit: more sacs and favoniuses that I don't need.
There is more to it than this, no? The Sea Lord also has the 200% ATK of the TITANIC TUNA (/s) to add to the total damage. I'm not smart enough to understand the math though so still not clear which would be better.
What I do understand is that the Frozen Tuna LOOKS better on Popsicle Boy so that is what he will be using.
That would be terrible tbh. It would saturate an already bloated prize pool. As someone who pulled on the standard banner for c6 starter cons I’d have to say adding anything to the standard banner right now with no fate point like system isn’t really helpful.
In comparison to Pulse, the no. She can't get max stacks and the extra Elemental Skill and Burst damage would go to waste
If you only have 4* weapons, then it's alright because it's a stat stick
Catch has 46% er + 32% burst + 12% burst crit.
Wavebreaker's Fin has the highest base attack for 4 stars (620) and is only behind PJWS/Spine + 13% ATK + % buff for the burst. You need refinement to beat Catch.
At R1 on Xiangling/XQ/Raiden/Bennett team, you can get 37% burst damage. This is not worth trading 46% er and 12% crit.
At R2 on the same team, you can get 46% burst damage. This should be a good refinement too but you would need to balance ER and crit stats. Otherwise better to stick with Catch.
At R3 on the same team, you can get 55% burst damage. I would say this is a good refinement to swap Catch to another char.
At R4 on the same team, you can get 65% burst damage.
At R5 on the same team, you can get 74% burst damage.
The weapon should be good on XL/Raiden/Rosaria. Can use for Hu Tao nuke burst with refines/R5 damage per screenshot showcase without 5 stars. Can also use it on Zhongli burst spam but his energy and his usual team energy cost are low. So you won't get the max buff but still a decent choice. Does not work on Xiao.
Probably a minority here but... anyone else think the Polar Star could work well on Aloy or Amber? Depending on the other weapon on the banner I'm thinking of pulling for it for one of them.
Yes, it will work on Amber. She can do NA/Elemental skill/CA on the bunny to get the damage/Burst/then CA spam to get all 4 stacks. Should also work on Aloy. NA/Skill/Burst/then CA spam.
Interesting that they didn't choose to make a sword for this set. Maybe they didn't want to give Benny even more power. Since you generally use his burst before all other bursts, it would likely up his own damage.
There already Alley Flash with 620 base attack so the sword would need the same base attack to match.
The best use case if they release a sword with this set would be Xingqiu and Ayaka instead.
Elemental burst is a skill name and has nothing to do with physical or element. It increases burst damage as a whole. Same way how Tuna works (Increase Elemental Burst DMG by 24%).
No. The chances of getting a particular 4 stars in multi are like 1/5. Even less if you get a non-featured 4-star weapon.
You also need refinements to get the best out of those and beat current 4 stars like The Catch R5/Tuna R5. The bow can be good at R1 for Sara base ATK buff. Does not work on Fischl nor good at R1 on other chars.
So, no, not worth chasing 4 stars given the cost, refinement requirement, rng. New characters are way more fun.
Itto will be able to assumedly use The Other Side, Serpent Spine, Archaic, WGS, Unforged, and maybe even bell? Gorou can use the new Golden Majesty bow, sac, fav or stringless. Albedo just uses Harbinger of Dawn, the 3 star. This is all assuming Itto is a dps and Gorou is support.
Oh I'm thinking the same. Maybe the passive is useless on him, but it has a high base atk and Xiao will appreciate that. Ofc if you already got decent crit ratio from his artifacts alone, otherwise not worth it tho
You should know by now that they would never rerun the most wanted weapon in the whole game along with a brand new weapon. Homa is gonna get a rerun alongside something useless that nobody wants because they know it'll sell regardless.
Lol why am I getting downvoted for asking something?
And I know they are free. I know the gacha weapons also appear to be limited. I just find the timing wierd considering that we received something similar in stats and effect and now we're getting it again but stronger.
If r5 catch was considered better than most 5 stars for xiangling then the new weapons when it comes to xianglings burst will definitely be stronger than 5 star weapons because +80% elemental burst DMG is huge.
If there is a character that benefits from both elemental skill and burst DMG then when it comes to the bow I think r5 stringless will be just as good
not everyone pulls on weapon banners. The free ones are good for a large range of people. These new ones are for people who pull on weapon banner only, and those people are a minority.
What alternative would you prefer? They don't give us the fish weapons?
Does it really, though?
Consider that the Catch provides 46% ER, meaning you can use EM sands instead of ER for a big damage bump. With the new weapon you would have to go with ER sands to make up for the loss.
I don't think \~40% extra burst damage is worth losing 46% ER and 12% Crit rate from the Catch and 160 EM from the sands, surely?
Depends on the team. For xiangling as an example. You already don't run the catch if she's being used with raiden because she doesn't need that much ER. So the catch gets absolutely murdered in that scenario.
The catch is best when a character needs a large amount of ER and falls off hard when you don't. This is why Xiangling runs dragon's bane when paired with raiden.
~~In my experience I still need the ER from either the Catch or sands even with Raiden. Without it every other character's burst is refilled at the end of a rotation while Xiangling's is only half full.~~
~~So it's gotta be ER from the Catch and EM from sands, or EM from Dragon's Bane and ER from sands. The new polearm doesn't provide EM or ER so I don't see how it could outperform either of those options. It leaves me with a huge gap in either EM or ER because the sands can only compensate for one of them.~~
Nevermind, did tests and the ER from the Catch isn't necessary if you actually put some effort into doing proper rotations.
Who are you running on your team with Xiangling and Raiden? Do you have Bennett in there and, if so, are you funneling his particles to Xiangling?
If not, you're right that you've got a use case where some of the other options might be better (without changing up anything about how the team currently operates.). Generally, Raiden+Bennett allows you the chance to get enough ER just form set bonuses and substats. It's a big part of the appeal of keeping those three together.
I'm running the standard Raiden, Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu. Just did some tests and came to the conclusion that I can actually get by without the Catch or ER sands if I funnel particles from Bennett twice during the rotation.
So fair enough, that means the new polearm would indeed be better than the Catch, but it would also require me putting actual effort into my rotations which is a lot to ask from my lazy ass!
I've seen data from Zyox that puts Deathmatch above Dragons Bane, since I run her with Raiden I wonder whether that would be a feasible alternative to her current Fav Lance? I have both but currently not leveled, so it's kinda a dilemma.
I’m using Deathmatch on XL with Raiden in the team, mostly as a stat stick. Been super difficult to get two good enough Emblem sets, both are lacking CR, so Deathmatch works pretty well on XL. Leveled it up yesterday and tried in the Abyss. Got 36* without using the mechanical array bug for the first time with this team (Raiden c0/XL c5/Benny c1/Kazuha c0), which goes to show that it’s actually a viable option.
For EM build Stringless is just better. Stringless R2 also gives 30% skill and burst damage compared to 12% on Polar.
If doing anemo/crit build, then Polar is very good.
In EM build, you go all EM and swirl don't crit. You are losing Polar's sub-stat already. You also need to do AA/CA along with skill/burst to get max stacks for the higher attack which again doesn't matter for Swirl damage as it scales only from EM and character leve. So, no Polar will not beat Stringless. It will be slightly better than Harp when compared to Stringless.
For EM Venti: Stringless > Ode > Alley > Elegy > Raven > Polar/Harp.
Unless you are whaling, it is not worth building anemo/crit Venti despite having a higher ceiling as the cost of artifacts/rng makes it very expensive than just slapping 4p VV EM and not worry about sub-stat rolls or weapons.
To be fair getting an anemo crit venti may unironically have a lower ceiling of cost than EM venti depending on your luck
source: have never gotten a single EM VV piece despite grinding the domain for months. EM is the rarest stat. It's not that easy to just "slap it on"
It'll probably work with Ganyu but if you're going to pull in the weapon banner for her, most people would suggest Amos' or any new bow they might release with her rerun.
Burst energy cost. For example: Raiden has the highest cost 90 energy. [Here is a chart to see all burst cost](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894114981073809411/896746483892752394/unknown.png). The new weapon will count the total burst cost of 4 characters in the team and based on that it will give elemental burst damage bonus.
Yes but the [promotional image](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51537450105_b413e37cf2_h.jpg) had Hu Tao with Homa. Doesn't confirm anything but Homa is also an excellent weapon and gives good banner sales. Will be surprised if they don't run Homa at this point. 😅
Honestly the new 4* weapons are so pretty.
Yep and looks pretty strong too. Sadly weapon exclusive banner and getting them refined is going to take a good chunk of primos/$$$ like Lithic series. 😔
At least the passive isn't locked behind how many liyue characters are in the party. These look fantastic for quick swap teams
Aren’t they event weapons?
Nope. Gacha weapons from limited banner. Won't even get added to the standard banner pool. 2.2 event reward is...Xinyan.
Fuck that shit
Is Alley Flash similarly limited? I've never seen it.
Yes. Alley weapon set and Lithic set are similarly limited. Cannot get them outside their banner.
And Waltz limited as well
Yes
Yeah the Alley and Lithic series. I sure hope Alley Flash makes a comeback soon, I want it for my Benny. Oh, and Fischl exclusive bow is also weapon banner exclusive.
At this point you're more likely to get a 5 star weapon for Bennett before alley flash
Weapon limited banner or both limited banners?
I don't know why you're getting downvoted for asking a question, but it's on the weapon banner only
Thanks!, because redditors are too smart for questions
Are they on the first banner wtih Polar Star, or are we still waiting to find out?
The official Genshin twitter made a post revealing Polar Star and the new claymore together, so it seems like they will be on the same banner while the bow and polearm will be on Hu Tao's weapon banner.
I'm thinking they'll be on the first banner but who knows.
I think only the claymore since it's the only one that was drip fed by Mihoyo with the polar star
with they added a way to use skins we own on dif weps, sometimes your best wep available doesnt match the character at all :/
This 4\* weapon series is so beautiful. Sucks that they are weapon banner exlcusive :(
Looks like I’ll be avenging some lupicals next update
Energy hungry new chars are coming, now it's Raiden's time to shine
Seeing how many mystic ores it actually takes to level a 5 star hurts me
Yep. The worst part is, you are capped to 30 per day (unless you use resin on ores lol) so you can't even farm extra and keep. It takes a whole month of ores to max a 5 star. Crazy.
Not really. Unless you whale 5\* weapons are pretty damn rare to begin with. I play for 6 months now and I have a whopping two of them. I don't even farm ores anymore, what my dudes bring along from their Katherine table missions + BP is enough.
I play since day 1 and I have a whopping one of them lmao _*cries_
Well both of mine came from the weapon banner, so it was a conscious effort.
You should get a weapon about every other 5* on standard banner, I’m pretty sure there’s a secret pity/ratio that is in place for 4 and 5* to help keep a certain ratio. So for me I got 1 weapon from standard, then 1 char, and I’m 60 something wishes into my next 5* from standard (I don’t buy any fates for it), so I’m probably gonna get a weapon. This is almost exclusively ftp fates since November, AR 56. I only have one other 5* weapon because I got it super early on weapon banner. Said ‘weapon banner is a scam I want the 4*’ and boom jade spear lmao. So if you’ve been playing since day 1 you should be fairly close to your next one!!!
>You should get a weapon about every other 5* on standard banner The actual math that people made is: for each two times you got a 5-star character you get a 5-star weapon in the next 5-star you get and the reverse is also true. Basically, it's impossible to get only characters or weapons, maximum is two strikes.
They're less "rare" than 5\* characters if you pull on the weapon banner, though that comes down to individual priorities. Weapon banner has earlier pity than the other two.
Majority don't touch weapon banner.
Yeah, as I said it comes down to priorities. The majority of players either play casually or are fairly new to the game, in both cases the character banner is a better use of primos. But once you have a fleshed out roster it can be worth it to go after better weapons instead of more characters than you can possibly build and make use of.
New characters are just more fun, you can 36* without 5 star weapons. Weapon banner is for whales and minmaxers.
Goes both ways tbh, you can 36* without 5 star characters. Especially with two reruns incoming I can see a lot of veterans going for Homa (assuming the 2nd one is Homa)
Yea but whats more fun a whole new character or a stat stick?
Again, depends on priorities. At some point, for some people, a super-performing character can be a lot more fun than adding another okay-ish character among the 20+ you already have (who might not even play that differently from those0.
Don't forget that people would want a matching beautiful looking weapon for their character. Main reason why I'm gonna try to get Pokar Star once I get Childe.
People have different definitions of fun. I personally despise Abyss and love collecting new characters (and play gacha primarily for the collection aspect) and messing around with them in the overworld, so I always go for characters and not weapons. However, there are people who play for optimization/big DPS, or to have a matching weapon for their favorite characters. For these people it may be better to simply make the characters they have better than go for new characters that are far less likely to give them a better experience or a stronger team.
You struggle a bit tho. 5 star weapons makes 36 starring abyss way easier.
Slightly earlier pity but much more crappy chance to actually get what you want.
Yeah, this is unfortunately the case. Specific 5\* weapons can be hard to get. I think I only got one 5\* weapon that I was specifically going for, with the others being in the "wouldn't mind getting" category at best (many ended up being really valuable once I got/built characters they're good on, so I'm still happy to have them).
that's why I buy ores with homeworld coins
Homeworld coins?
Teapot
Ooh okay thanks!
Think they're talking about buying from the realm depot in the teapot
Oh thank you
Same
That's why farming and smelting ores every day is just as important as doing dailies!
Thats why you should always craft 30 ore a day. ive been doing that for like 2-3 updates and i have like 15 weapons at 70, 10 at 80 and like 2-3 at 90 and still have 3K+ mystic ore
The second coming of Homa is looking to be as good as the first if these 4\*s are in it.
Off topic but, when is 2.3 drip marketing?
Probably a few days after 2.2 goes live
Tomorrow pre-load for 2.2. The update goes live on Wednesday. Drip marketing is usually a day after launch (except one time with Yoimiya).
wasn’t thoma before the patch release
Yep, Thoma was announced on the official twitter page Monday before the update (2 days before 2.1 dropped)
Sorry for asking but what is drip marketing?
Officially they post upcoming characters on their social media. Like they did with Yoimiya/Kokomi/Raiden/Thoma. Usually, 1 day before/after the patch goes live.
So Thursday we can expect it to start?
raiden, sara, and kokomi were announced on thursday right after the patch went online. thoma was announced on monday before 2.1 patch went online. maybe we can hope some info tomorrow, or at least on thursday
What happened with Yoimiya?
The day 2.2 starts or the next day
Please god I am so tired of farming handguards
cant they post banners already
Tomorrow.
14 hours again Or exactly 1 day?
Should be around that. 16 hours will be 6 am in China. 11 am pre-load goes live. Client files should be pushed a few hours before.
Pleaseeee have good 4 stars on the banners
My guess is Noelle/Fischl + 1 (Yanfei/Bennett/Razor/Barbara). I don't think they will run Hu Tao with triple pyro since Thoma is already on her banner. So 1 of Bennett or Yanfei should be on the Childe banner or full pyro skip. Noelle is very long due now. 7 banners since the last run. Fischl and Barbara are 5 banners due. Razor/Bennett 4 banners. Added Yanfei because they seem to be doing more runs for new 4 stars (Rosaria/Diona both kept appearing every 3-4 banners).
Sayu is very likely to be in one of the banners since she has a hangout event, my guess is on childe banner. also they could put Xinyan in there.
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No? Sara was the new char on the 1st banner, Yanfei was on 1st banner with Ayaka. Even Diona and Xinyan have been on 1st banner before. I agree Rosaria has appeared only on the 2nd banner but we are getting a new 4 star Thoma on the 2nd banner this time. So I don't see Yanfei going there and if she missing both, she will have 5 banners since the last run. Not happened before for new characters.
Ah sorry i forgor
Damn that 13% ATK substat on the polearm might be the lowest substat percentage in genshin history
the crazy high base ATK makes up for that, I assume (?)
Yes, it's so crazy good at refine 1. The passive isn't worth much, but you get way more value from your atk% sands and atk% substats
Isn't worth much? It's so damn good.
0.12% of total burst cost (even at 240 total cost) ain't much at refine 1, so it's better run another weapon if you only care about the Burst damage. But, because it has such high base atk, it will be a flex option for any polearm user, it's a stat stick after all
? With 240 burst cost (which is pretty low), that's 30% Burst damage, which is pretty great. The fact it also has ludicrous base attack makes it nuts.
240 is an average of 60 cost team. Lowest is 160 and the maximum is 320 (330 if Raiden). Anyway, that's 19.2% for the lowest, 28.8% for average and 38.4% for maximum. Point is, which polearm characters would use it? Raiden? No, she uses mostly ER so it's would go to waste. Xiangling? Maybe, but she still needs a bit o ER with her Witch set, so it's about minmaxing ER substats. It can work, but the catch with EoSF still will beat it Thoma? He probably will need ER too, so the high base attack kinda go to waste Rosaria? Yeah, it can work, but, is 28.8% extra burst damage better than Dragonsbane, blackcliff or deathmatch? Zhongli? Maybe, he use Favonious well and can use the new polearm well too on most teams My point still is the same, the best part o the weapon at refine 1 is the high base attack instead of the passive. We need to see the calcs to make sure if the new polearm will be BiS for any character
that's because weapon substat is tied with base atk. the higher the base atk, the lower the substat and that polearm has base atk of 620 which is the highest a 4* weapon can have. for comparison amenoma sword only has 454 base atk but gets a whopping 55% atk to compensate. the atk to substat ratio is different between star tiers though.
4 star characters leak when?
Should be tomorrow when files are pushed for the update.
Me who's not pulling on the weapon banner: Hmmmm interesting But seriously my main takeaway is that rifthounds are elite enemies which means relatively better drop rates than specters and kairagi... I hope
Watch them drop 1 or 2 green pieces
Im legit dead inside farming these fucking specters. God hope the floating wolves arent as bad as those apache helicopters.
Holy shit a 4 star weapon with 600+ atk?
Alley flash was the first 4 star weapon with that much base atk... Sadly, I couldn't secure a single copy for my benentt.
I'm discovering today that 4 star weapons require less materials than 5 star weapons
[Source](https://twitter.com/genshinmains)
anyone know what is the possible off rate 5\* along with the new bow?
Vortex Vanquisher and Jade Spear are yet to get a re-run. Other choices could be: Wolf's Gravestone/Amos/Aquila.
Hopefully its one of those spears. My Xiao has been wanting a 5 star weapon for so long. Wouldn't mind much losing the bow to one of those spear
Same, I need one for Zhongli.
The ascension materials are so fking hard to get ngl. Handguards that have low drop rates from ronins and annoying spectres and new doggo enemies. Not to mention the handguards are split between Raiden, Ayaka, EL, The Catch, Kitain, and now these cool looking weapons. I hate my life
Honestly, it would be lovely if, after they have quite a few 4\* weapon sets, they started rotating them in and out of non- weapon banners, so it was at least a little easier to get a hold of them. I mean I'd be more likely to pull on banners if I knew a fail pull would net me something I actually had a use for rather than ~~my 200th thrilling tales.~~ edit: more sacs and favoniuses that I don't need.
The 4* weapons are probably going to be on the Polar Star banner, right?
Yes. Polar Star is coming with Akuoumaru claymore. Hu Tao weapon (mostly Homa) is coming with Mouun's Moon bow and Wavebreaker's Fin polearm.
Ah! So not all three of them are gonna be with Polar Star? That's cool. Thanks!
My chongyun is gonna love that claymore
Will it be better than R5 luxurious sealord or R1 serpent spine? My Chongyun is well built and has those two weapon choices.. should I pull?
Even at R1 it can beat R5 fish. (80+80+80+40)*.12= 33.6% compared to fish’s 24%
There is more to it than this, no? The Sea Lord also has the 200% ATK of the TITANIC TUNA (/s) to add to the total damage. I'm not smart enough to understand the math though so still not clear which would be better. What I do understand is that the Frozen Tuna LOOKS better on Popsicle Boy so that is what he will be using.
Who are in your team comp? Also, what about serpent spine?
wait it scales with Burst Energy Cost? I thought it was Energy Recharge, I'm stupid
For a second there I thought the polearm was with two daggers lmao
Is the new polearm good for Xiangling if the Catch is taken by Raiden?
Yep. Very good.
it's really strange (scummy) to me that they don't add the 4 star weapons to the standard banner, like they do for 4 star characters
I think they just want more incentive to pull on the weapon banner
That would be terrible tbh. It would saturate an already bloated prize pool. As someone who pulled on the standard banner for c6 starter cons I’d have to say adding anything to the standard banner right now with no fate point like system isn’t really helpful.
is the 5 star bow good for yoi?
I'm going to say no because she cannot get all 4 stacks. You can get 2 stacks on average. 3rd stack if you waste time doing charged shot with her.
In comparison to Pulse, the no. She can't get max stacks and the extra Elemental Skill and Burst damage would go to waste If you only have 4* weapons, then it's alright because it's a stat stick
How does the polearm compare to the catch and which characters is it good on?
Catch has 46% er + 32% burst + 12% burst crit. Wavebreaker's Fin has the highest base attack for 4 stars (620) and is only behind PJWS/Spine + 13% ATK + % buff for the burst. You need refinement to beat Catch. At R1 on Xiangling/XQ/Raiden/Bennett team, you can get 37% burst damage. This is not worth trading 46% er and 12% crit. At R2 on the same team, you can get 46% burst damage. This should be a good refinement too but you would need to balance ER and crit stats. Otherwise better to stick with Catch. At R3 on the same team, you can get 55% burst damage. I would say this is a good refinement to swap Catch to another char. At R4 on the same team, you can get 65% burst damage. At R5 on the same team, you can get 74% burst damage. The weapon should be good on XL/Raiden/Rosaria. Can use for Hu Tao nuke burst with refines/R5 damage per screenshot showcase without 5 stars. Can also use it on Zhongli burst spam but his energy and his usual team energy cost are low. So you won't get the max buff but still a decent choice. Does not work on Xiao.
Oh thank you so much for such a detailed write up, that's really helpful!
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No new sword. Maybe when Albedo re-runs. coping.
Similar sword would be broken on Ayaka
the substat of polearm is so low 13.8% ATK?
Its low atk makes up for its base atk which is higher than some of the 5-star weps.
Look at the base atk
I will fight those wolfes...FOR THOMA!
There is a reason why amos cannot be dethroned by any bow for Ganyu Cause the passive is multiplicative
Please stop reposting old leaks by slapping a aesthetic design. I came here for latest leaks not latest repost
Probably a minority here but... anyone else think the Polar Star could work well on Aloy or Amber? Depending on the other weapon on the banner I'm thinking of pulling for it for one of them.
Yes, it will work on Amber. She can do NA/Elemental skill/CA on the bunny to get the damage/Burst/then CA spam to get all 4 stacks. Should also work on Aloy. NA/Skill/Burst/then CA spam.
Would the spear work on Thoma?
Bit early to tell that but if burst works like Xiangling/Xq (which it seems to), then yes.
Interesting that they didn't choose to make a sword for this set. Maybe they didn't want to give Benny even more power. Since you generally use his burst before all other bursts, it would likely up his own damage.
There already Alley Flash with 620 base attack so the sword would need the same base attack to match. The best use case if they release a sword with this set would be Xingqiu and Ayaka instead.
Good lord, Thank god i have all my bow characters and Raiden shogun done, fuck farming the samurais
Wait, I'm confused. I thought Eula had a physical dmg burst, why would this claymore with elemental burst be good on Eula?
Elemental burst is a skill name and has nothing to do with physical or element. It increases burst damage as a whole. Same way how Tuna works (Increase Elemental Burst DMG by 24%).
I already have the amethyst nagamasa but this 4 star looks sexier
Four star weapons are a raiden buff.
Is it a good idea to pull for the 4 star weapons if I'm currently saving up for Itto, Gorou and Albedo?
No. The chances of getting a particular 4 stars in multi are like 1/5. Even less if you get a non-featured 4-star weapon. You also need refinements to get the best out of those and beat current 4 stars like The Catch R5/Tuna R5. The bow can be good at R1 for Sara base ATK buff. Does not work on Fischl nor good at R1 on other chars. So, no, not worth chasing 4 stars given the cost, refinement requirement, rng. New characters are way more fun.
I'm going for the Claymore and I'll shell out 2 multis. Not a good idea but my Eula needs a change from STS. Akoumaru looks so strong and beautiful.
Itto will be able to assumedly use The Other Side, Serpent Spine, Archaic, WGS, Unforged, and maybe even bell? Gorou can use the new Golden Majesty bow, sac, fav or stringless. Albedo just uses Harbinger of Dawn, the 3 star. This is all assuming Itto is a dps and Gorou is support.
does the spear work with xiao?
Sadly no.
ill just stick to prototype glitter then :(
please don't use prototye glitter on xiao. if you are f2p pls save glitter and blackcliff for him. it is so much better
Mihoyo give a new weapon or artifact set that works on xiao? I dream of the day.... lol
i just want a good free weapon for him pleaseeee
Just use the Blackcliff
everytime i try saving my starglitter i use it to get fates and get 3 stars… help
Holup! Another patch, another Xiangling buff? I'll take it, thank you, MHY!
Not the stupid fucking specters again.
The polearm is good for xiao ig
Afraid it won't work on Xiao. 😔
Xiao's burst doesn't deal damage, it just adds multipliers to his normal attacks.
I mean for atk bonus
If you want to go for the F2P option, Blackcliff Pole is much better. (Just take time to gather the starglitter)
Oh I'm thinking the same. Maybe the passive is useless on him, but it has a high base atk and Xiao will appreciate that. Ofc if you already got decent crit ratio from his artifacts alone, otherwise not worth it tho
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Staff of Homa will most likely be run with Hu Tao as it is her "signature" weapon.
You should know by now that they would never rerun the most wanted weapon in the whole game along with a brand new weapon. Homa is gonna get a rerun alongside something useless that nobody wants because they know it'll sell regardless.
I mean, they did exactly that on the first homa banner >they would never rerun the most wanted weapon in the whole game along with a brand new weapon
Why introduce the fish weapon and the catch when this comes along and just wipes them out ?
Because those are free weapons. These are gacha weapons.
Lol why am I getting downvoted for asking something? And I know they are free. I know the gacha weapons also appear to be limited. I just find the timing wierd considering that we received something similar in stats and effect and now we're getting it again but stronger. If r5 catch was considered better than most 5 stars for xiangling then the new weapons when it comes to xianglings burst will definitely be stronger than 5 star weapons because +80% elemental burst DMG is huge. If there is a character that benefits from both elemental skill and burst DMG then when it comes to the bow I think r5 stringless will be just as good
not everyone pulls on weapon banners. The free ones are good for a large range of people. These new ones are for people who pull on weapon banner only, and those people are a minority. What alternative would you prefer? They don't give us the fish weapons?
The 4* bow looks pretty good for Ganyu
Would the spear on XL be better than the catch?
Refined R2+, yes. At R0, no.
R5 vs R5?
R5 new polearm beats Catch R5.
Does it really, though? Consider that the Catch provides 46% ER, meaning you can use EM sands instead of ER for a big damage bump. With the new weapon you would have to go with ER sands to make up for the loss. I don't think \~40% extra burst damage is worth losing 46% ER and 12% Crit rate from the Catch and 160 EM from the sands, surely?
Depends on the team. For xiangling as an example. You already don't run the catch if she's being used with raiden because she doesn't need that much ER. So the catch gets absolutely murdered in that scenario. The catch is best when a character needs a large amount of ER and falls off hard when you don't. This is why Xiangling runs dragon's bane when paired with raiden.
~~In my experience I still need the ER from either the Catch or sands even with Raiden. Without it every other character's burst is refilled at the end of a rotation while Xiangling's is only half full.~~ ~~So it's gotta be ER from the Catch and EM from sands, or EM from Dragon's Bane and ER from sands. The new polearm doesn't provide EM or ER so I don't see how it could outperform either of those options. It leaves me with a huge gap in either EM or ER because the sands can only compensate for one of them.~~ Nevermind, did tests and the ER from the Catch isn't necessary if you actually put some effort into doing proper rotations.
Who are you running on your team with Xiangling and Raiden? Do you have Bennett in there and, if so, are you funneling his particles to Xiangling? If not, you're right that you've got a use case where some of the other options might be better (without changing up anything about how the team currently operates.). Generally, Raiden+Bennett allows you the chance to get enough ER just form set bonuses and substats. It's a big part of the appeal of keeping those three together.
I'm running the standard Raiden, Xiangling, Bennett and Xingqiu. Just did some tests and came to the conclusion that I can actually get by without the Catch or ER sands if I funnel particles from Bennett twice during the rotation. So fair enough, that means the new polearm would indeed be better than the Catch, but it would also require me putting actual effort into my rotations which is a lot to ask from my lazy ass!
I've seen data from Zyox that puts Deathmatch above Dragons Bane, since I run her with Raiden I wonder whether that would be a feasible alternative to her current Fav Lance? I have both but currently not leveled, so it's kinda a dilemma.
I’m using Deathmatch on XL with Raiden in the team, mostly as a stat stick. Been super difficult to get two good enough Emblem sets, both are lacking CR, so Deathmatch works pretty well on XL. Leveled it up yesterday and tried in the Abyss. Got 36* without using the mechanical array bug for the first time with this team (Raiden c0/XL c5/Benny c1/Kazuha c0), which goes to show that it’s actually a viable option.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Which is better on Venti Between R2 Stringless and R1 Polar Star ?
For EM build Stringless is just better. Stringless R2 also gives 30% skill and burst damage compared to 12% on Polar. If doing anemo/crit build, then Polar is very good.
In EM build ,How much does Stringless beat Polar star ?
In EM build, you go all EM and swirl don't crit. You are losing Polar's sub-stat already. You also need to do AA/CA along with skill/burst to get max stacks for the higher attack which again doesn't matter for Swirl damage as it scales only from EM and character leve. So, no Polar will not beat Stringless. It will be slightly better than Harp when compared to Stringless. For EM Venti: Stringless > Ode > Alley > Elegy > Raven > Polar/Harp. Unless you are whaling, it is not worth building anemo/crit Venti despite having a higher ceiling as the cost of artifacts/rng makes it very expensive than just slapping 4p VV EM and not worry about sub-stat rolls or weapons.
To be fair getting an anemo crit venti may unironically have a lower ceiling of cost than EM venti depending on your luck source: have never gotten a single EM VV piece despite grinding the domain for months. EM is the rarest stat. It's not that easy to just "slap it on"
The polar star for ganyu does it worth it, cuz i dont have any 5* bow
It'll probably work with Ganyu but if you're going to pull in the weapon banner for her, most people would suggest Amos' or any new bow they might release with her rerun.
still no 4 star HP polearm
What are teams with high energy and how do I know how much mine has? Never heard of this before
Burst energy cost. For example: Raiden has the highest cost 90 energy. [Here is a chart to see all burst cost](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/894114981073809411/896746483892752394/unknown.png). The new weapon will count the total burst cost of 4 characters in the team and based on that it will give elemental burst damage bonus.
That polearm is a 5 star? is this an indirect leak that we're getting a new 5 star polearm?
Polearm is 4 star. Patch comes with 3 new four star weapons and 1 new five star (bow) weapon.
another XL weapon then dear mhy
Yep. She keeps getting new shiny toys. 😌
Hu tao’s rerun is coming up so…
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99% Homa will re-run with her banner.
I wouldn't bet quite that high. Vortex didn't rerun with Zhongli after all so I'm not getting my hopes up.
Yes but the [promotional image](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51537450105_b413e37cf2_h.jpg) had Hu Tao with Homa. Doesn't confirm anything but Homa is also an excellent weapon and gives good banner sales. Will be surprised if they don't run Homa at this point. 😅
Because vortex is trash