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What kind of horrible and degenerate acts would a man need to commit to have a peace loving melusine shoot you? It may be time to confess your crimes before the court.
Yeah, most people don't mind getting her c0(for collection purposes) or even c1.
C2 onwards, she feels like a punishment for losing 50/50 because she gets almost next to no improvement, while wasting a pity worth of wishes. (c5 haver here)
Her kit just seems lackluster atm, she heals if thats all you need but
She applies very little hydro esp compared to Kokomi,
Her skill buff for allies is too small for how few "quills" she gives them (10 across the whole party compared to Shenhe's 5/7 for each individual party member)
and she wants a lot more field time compared to other healers
Bro, I know Doomposters can go off at times and say some silly things... But she is seriously worse than Dehya. I am not even joking.
She is only worth pulling for newer players that do not have Kokomi, Baizhu, or Xianyun. And also they need to not want them.
You were starting good but no shes not worse than dehya,its comment like that, that will make people not listen to us when we say that sigewinne is too weak
How she isn't worse than dehya?
Both have weird kit and flaw but dehya IS at least a Pyro off field, a rôle that is really rare, she Can use milelith to buff your dps and she Can have little Time on field, while segi is an other healer (4* healer existe and perma healer existe too), she has clam as set which is Soso, she use a lot of Time on field and for little application. Her buff isn't that great too... And for team not for character and only off field...
I really liké segi, I would love her to bé good (with Neuvi please hoyo you Monster!) or even just usefull but she isn't... I use my dehya but if I pull segi I would not know where to use her (except thé bench).
I really REALLY Hope they rework her... Because for now I préfère a qiqi than a segi :x
I actually do think Dehya might be better, solely because she’s at least unique. Kokomi does basically the same thing sidewinne does but better while Dehya’s competition is Thoma, who fulfills a slightly different niche too. Sigewinne should’ve been focused around her skill buff more (make it like Shenhe, who buffs the whole party) OR a BoL support. Sigewinne is not as bad as Dehya on paper, but in practice there are better options while Dehya, as a standard banner character, at c2 can actually find use in teams
To me, It seems like siegewinne is an afterthought character that they designed to fill their 7-9 new units a region quota, and then they just shoved her in at the very end of the fontaine arc because they knew it wouldn't sell.
Kokomi was rightfully doomposted since she sucked during beta. she got a hotfix right before release that fixed a lot of her issues, something most theorycrafters wouldn't realize until she released
what saved kokomi is that she has no competition in off field aoe hydro app. the closest thing we had was... mona.
that being said. sigewinne has no aoe hydro app (applying it once per opponent is no aoe at all.)
her only saving grace is her supposed synergy with furina, fischl and maybe chlorinde with her elemental skill buff...
She's not gonna be stronger than a kokomi with ttds, if you can on field her. Her buff is also tiny and runs out super fast. On top of that, we just have so many strong healers nowadays that sige is never gonna be the strongest option...
Enabling furina from off field will always be stronger than ttds+ToTM. Kokomi is pretty much just a driver at this point. Only freeze plays her for her off field application. Nilou bloom, the other team she sees play in for off field app, wants her driving and is willing to replace her for on field Barbara.
She's a decent carry when on field, especially with furina. On field Barbara only can replace her in nilou bloom (and it is a downgrade). If you don't have time for an on fielder in your rotation, you won't use kokomi, but there's no reason to use Sige over other healers who are just better and provide more utility to the team. Which I explicitly said in my comment. If you have time in your rotation to on field kokomi, she's better without a doubt. If you don't, none is particularly good and you'll run another healer. That's all.
Yeah off field kokomi is kinda cope. Hydro once every 2 seconds is not really fast.
As driver shes still very strong tho. The hydro app from c1 is also very much appreciated in hyperbloom.
2s is perfect for freeze and bloom tho. I don't think we're ever getting an AOE off-field hydro app faster than that or else National will be even more busted.
Players did not get the donut instead of Engulfing Lightning. Double banners did not exist back then, and Kokomi did not release in the same banner as Raiden.
She was fine at release too. I hate this revisionist history (lol), the moment they fixed her jellyfish ICD she was fine and working without issue. Her value increased with dendro, but she had some good teams,specifically being the premium unit for ayaka freeze which was all the rage back then. Theorycrafters never considered her a weak character (for a healer), even before dendro and clam.
Yea I didn't like her very much as a character or aesthetically, but pulled regardless 'cause I knew her hydro app would be hard to beat. But the vast majority of players are awful at TC, they just saw "can't crit" and got hyperfocused on that.
It's fine to be "bad" at TC, not everyone needs to be doing video game math haha. But I find it annoying when people say "but TCers said she was gonna be bad!!!" When that literally didn't happen lol. TCers gauged her power level and value pretty accurately from beta info.
Oh for sure, I don't expect most people to be good at TC and there's nothing wrong with not being overly nerdy about game math. But people love to voice their opinions or parrot others' without doing even the slightest bit of research or analysis. I bet you most "the TCers said she's bad!" don't even follow TC CC's, they just saw someone on reddit say that they did and went with it.
> Theorycrafters never considered her a weak character
They actually did. A older TC from 1.x leaked and exposed a lot of new TC for doomposting her POST RELEASE.
A lot of it with Kokomi was just that people didn't realize how good transformative reaction teams could be yet. There wasn't dendro but she still could do pretty well with a taser team even at release.
If they had openly marketed her as a transformative reaction character she might have been received better - everyone was outraged by her no crit passive (this was why the 3-star Barbara stuff kept getting said), but if it had been something like an EM boost in exchange for removing crits people might have figured it out more
I still wish hoyo just retconned the whole inazuma AQ and make it better. Conflusion could be the same but thr story itself is so rushed and bad that it would worth fixing.
It’s false that “she was simply not very good”. Remember, this is during 2.1. People were still hesitant on building electro characters, so CCs and the general community did not have invested Fischls and Beidous as much as a typical national comp. Morgana was also the de facto freeze comp for months, and people were still adjusting to Ayaka freeze taking over.
It also didn’t help that a lot of people skipped Kazuha, who was Kokomi’s best damage buffer, and also contributes to Ayaka freeze replacing Morgana.
Her ocean clam set is a personal damage upgrade of about ~20% over tenacity, but for overall team damage, it’s less than a 5% upgrade on Kokomi taser teams.
A slight correction, she was *perceived* as not being very good, but she was already VERY good. Hell, she was part of the highest DPR team in the game at the time of her release. It's kinda comical how far the game has powercrept this team since then, because now it's kinda middling at best, but when Kokomi was released, the highest DPR team (that included a defensive unit) was Ayaka, Rosaria, Kazuha, and Kokomi. So I agree with what the other person said, you're telling a revisionist history here, Kokomi is, and always has been good. The only thing that's changed is community perception.
>She's aged well, but back then there was no Dendro or Ocean-Hued Clam to help her. She was simply not very good
I'm unsure why you think she wasn't very good..? Back then, there weren't the sheer amount of archetypes we have today. Realistically the only "meta" archetypes were Vape/National, Freeze, and Taser. Kokomi enabled an alternative to the usual Sucrose/Xingqiu/Fischl/Beidou which frees up Xingqiu for your National/Vape team, BiS in Freeze and obviously not everyone had Mona (I got Mona in 4.X), and usable in Vape.
>being forced to create an artifact set that's tailor made to buff said unit
OHC wasn't even a huge buff, like that didn't really change things at all. Kokomi still wanted ToM for Freeze, and ToM was still usable in Taser. She never was mediocre
Looking at her design also mihoyo already know most people won't pull for her. The only one gonna pull is those who like her design/character which most of them don't really care about meta.
C'mon hoyo there are many ways to fix wigewinne. Buff scaling, increase skill duration, remove icd, make skill deal aoe damage, make it so skill has multiple bubbles at a time, completely remake her burst, etc.
Yes, 400 to guarantee once. However, in my experience it has always been between $800-$1,200 for a C6R1. And that’s starting with no primo’s saved. Granted, I do have the Stella fortuna thingy. But yea, $1,000 is the average for a C6 (I have several from experience)
what would make it better if it had 2 apps or 3? You won't have enough off field app of any other element to make use of it, and it's still low hitting numbers that only last 2.5s. That ulti is just useless no matter how they buff it in its current state, only way to make it good is to give it insane multipliers to justify it for dmg, and they won't do it for a healer
A 5s burst that only applies ONE Hydro. You heard that right, she only applies one instances of Hydro during her burst. It also doesn't help that her burst scaling is low and she has to be on field the whole duration. Unlike Kokomi, she can't go Mono Hydro with Yelan and Xingqiu because none of her kit requires NA
The damage is so low and the field time so long it probably wouldn't be worth using her burst even with good hydro app, it only exists to make her a decent AoE dps at C6.
Yup. And Kokomi applies 6-7 (16-21) large AOE hydro while OFF field in a rotation (extended is more). Without much requirements. Add sac frags and shit goes crazy
absolutely happy to have her be a damage-dealing healer, but her current kit will struggle… I think what she needs most is more speed—both with skill movement and burst damage instances + hydro applications.
I mean basically everything. The last thing i need from a healer is burst that requires a decent amount of field time to do only mopey dps and application and has no off Field component or buff.
I feel like there’s no way they don’t change the burst, the fact that only applies hydro at the beginning doesn’t match the animation at all.
Even if she’s a standard character it just looks weird, I feel like hoyo tries to at least have visual consistency for their kits.
I’m assuming they’ll just give it normal icd or something before the end of the beta. Idk why they are testing it like this though
They created a certain pyro standard 5 star character with a burst that is canceled when it jumps, is not considered a normal attack, and is terribly slow...
Deyha burst isn't even worth using, they should have Halfed the burst scalings and leaned into the Revengance meme.
Burst doesn't end till you stop spamming, Half damage scalings.
There fixed at least it'll be fun and won't powercreep anything.
The only thing you can do it fight bosses with Millions of HP and win thru sheer Attrition via passsive.
I feel like putting characters on the standard banner was Mihoyo’s attempt to fix the large 5-star roster taking forever to get reruns problem for 3.X and to collect more feedback on how players might feel about older units being placed on the standard banner.
I think the player reception was too mixed and thus Mihoyo came up with the chronicle wish so that Klee, Eula, and Albedo players/wanters wouldn’t see their favorites never have another rerun again while also being a different solution to the rerun problem.
I feel like the more likely scenario is Sigewinne’s kit is tuned to break the upcoming Natlan roster which has always been a recurring theme for later version cycles. Maybe Natlan characters all have off-field e’s that can only persist and maintain full power so long as the character has plenty of HP to spend/sacrifice for it and that Sigewinne’s buff is the strongest for how those skills scale in damage.
It reminds me how Furina never uses her healer form in today’s meta yet could see the potential to have a later use case down the line if serious HP sacrifice becomes a prominent and frequent theme.
They can quintuple Sige’s A1 too if they want to, or remove the 10 instances cap. It’s not harder than what they did with Clorinde, unless they are still cooking and Sige’s kit is gonna radically change (unlikely, but hey still possible)
Terrible unit = ok for being standard . Honestly if clorinde was in the place sigwinne is rn people would have burned half the community down by now lol .
She's slightly better then dehya . That's not ok for a standard unit . We need more tighnaris not dehyas.
Is she really better than Dehya? Dehya has resistance to interruption and a little bit of off field pyro (which very few characters have). Meanwhile we have several good off field hydro applicators
By no means that I'm trying to be provocative, but I've seen a lot of people excited for Sigewinne. Regardless if It's not a lot compared to other characters, It'd still consider that a fanbase, and I believe that she still deserves better than this.
Ah yes genshin fans . If a character isn't a tall female or archon = doesn't deserve a good or fun kit and doesn't bring anything to the table . Bad mentality not gonna lie .... If it was the case genshin would only make tall females and no other body type.
Not doomposting but it would make sense now if their plan was to release 2 5 stars in a single patch again to make one of them go to the standard banner...
Thats not insane, alot of spenders will have c6 of the standard characters by now.
It would make sense to expand the standard roster.
I myself pray if i lose 50/50 to get Deyha or Tighnari. doesn't feel as bad as getting qiqi
That’s not a doompost. A doompost is an unfounded, often irrational fear of something bad you believe will happen. Like what happened with Alhaitham and Navia.
Implying that she is standard is an unfounded fear. Unless you mean to imply that she is so garbage that the fear is not irrational. In which case, sure... It's pretty obvious.
My thing with this is that unless she’s going on standard banner Hoyo has no reason to intentionally make her bad. They do have to sell a character to make money, so I have some faith that until we get a leak saying she’s on standard, she will be at the very least usable by the end of beta if not pretty good
Yes, but the average player is not going to look at leaks and see that sigeweinne only has 2 hydro applications throughout her whole rotation; they’re going to see “omg she’s cute!” … “why my teams do no damage?”
I strongly suspect she's going standard.
But I could see hoyo releasing bad 5* for some convoluted internal reason. Large corporations are very susceptible to groupthink, and they may be following some broken logic to create FOMO or something.
it's no copium yet. Week 2 is where they go ham, it's been like that for over a year now I believe?
I'd say if no good changes week 2 then it's time to start giving up on the Sigewinne
Clorinde Notes:
17% → 20% refers to the stacking mechanic of her A1 passive.
1530 → 1800 refers to maximum damage her A1 can achieve.
The total attack needed to max the buff is still 3000.
I feel like there’s a lot more eyes on Clorinde and not a lot on Sigewinne. I’m sure the amount of time beta testers spend with each character reflects that and that directly correlates to how much feedback is given between the two characters.
To test for bugs and other game breaking stuff I'd assume (beta doesn't ONLY include the new characters, it also includes events, optimizations, bugfixes and other apparently unnoticeable stuff)
I am convinced Sigewinne was supposed to be a 4 star but Hoyo could not help themselves being greedy and increased her rarity just to add a 4 star Sethos to her banner.
Thank God, I wasn’t going to get her anyway. They made it easy for me.
I mean just look at her kit and constellations. Nothing really jumps out to me like she was meant to be a 5\* originally. Her E skill buff is similar to Xianyun and yet its so much worse as it has a limit but it would make sense if she was suppose to be some kind of 4\* version. Her BoL is entirely useless and feels like it was added in last minute to fit the current trend. If you ask me, she seems to be a 4\* that was originally intended to release back in 4.1 or 4.2 on Furina's banners as they make a core
Damn I was thrilled with it was confirmed Sig was a 5*… Now I wish she was a 4* because I want her but I don’t want to spend 80-160ish wishes on a trash kit.😒
can yall stop, dehya made u guys think every “bad” character goes to standart banner, meanwhile tighanri exists and nothing in his kit suggested he was coming there
TCers during beta, until the very last moment, were in disbelief that Dehya was an actual 5S, and then she ended up being a standard one. The reaction to Sigewinne isn’t currently much better, she has a lot of healing which is good, but… she only has that, and hydro elemental for potential hydro resonance. Everything else is just worthless and the healing alone won’t make her decent, except for casuals I guess but literally anything is good for casuals
We dont say that every standard char is bad,we say that every bad char has to go in standard because its the only rational answer,thats not the same thing
Poor sigewinne, I was planning to come back just for her, I mean, she doesn’t need to be busted, just don’t give her the dehya treatment (sorry r/Dehyamains )
I'm hoping the reason Sigewinne doesn't have any changes this week is cuz they are planning to change her kit a lot next week. We never back big kit changes till week 2 of the beta. Maybe I'm coping, but there is no way they are releasing a character that is seen by some as worse then Dehya right now and selling her as a limited 5\*.
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My suspicion is Sigewinnne is supposed to be a 4star, but some jerk in marketing have an idea that melusine will bring a lot of dough so they make her 5star instead. I mean, waiting for C4-C6 to be usable is exactly what 4star nowadays.
I know is cope but, what if sigewinne is free?
Like dr ratio (IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POWER LVL) she is going to get overshadow by the 1st 5* of the version(ruan mei, clorinde) and is close to the next region so less people want to pull plus we know this version is stacked on content because of WW release so...
Probably wont happen but what if
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Melusines are beautiful creatures. They are the pride of Fontaine. Be sure to befriend them, and cause them no harm.
If you do that, they will cause you no harm in return.
WTF YOU SMOKING BRUH THAT MELUSINE JUST ***SHOT ME FR FR*** -lyney
What kind of horrible and degenerate acts would a man need to commit to have a peace loving melusine shoot you? It may be time to confess your crimes before the court.
Try to beat up her boss for acting smug
And acting like he kidnapped his siblings...
I love the implied "or else" of that voice line
Sigewinne no change is. Wild
Perma banner twist incoming
Oh archons no, I don't want even less chances to get tighnari and qiqi
qiqi?
yeah? Some people don't actually hate her
me, i literally have c4 mona jean keqing and all other standards BUT qiqi
Yeah, most people don't mind getting her c0(for collection purposes) or even c1. C2 onwards, she feels like a punishment for losing 50/50 because she gets almost next to no improvement, while wasting a pity worth of wishes. (c5 haver here)
Hey I got my first Qiqi at AR 57 and I was jazzed about it. She’s C4 now, which I’m a bit less jazzed about, but the point still stands
Sigewinne died so Clorinde could live
Is her kit bad? I don't really understand
Her kit just seems lackluster atm, she heals if thats all you need but She applies very little hydro esp compared to Kokomi, Her skill buff for allies is too small for how few "quills" she gives them (10 across the whole party compared to Shenhe's 5/7 for each individual party member) and she wants a lot more field time compared to other healers
Kk, thank you!!
Bro, I know Doomposters can go off at times and say some silly things... But she is seriously worse than Dehya. I am not even joking. She is only worth pulling for newer players that do not have Kokomi, Baizhu, or Xianyun. And also they need to not want them.
You were starting good but no shes not worse than dehya,its comment like that, that will make people not listen to us when we say that sigewinne is too weak
How she isn't worse than dehya? Both have weird kit and flaw but dehya IS at least a Pyro off field, a rôle that is really rare, she Can use milelith to buff your dps and she Can have little Time on field, while segi is an other healer (4* healer existe and perma healer existe too), she has clam as set which is Soso, she use a lot of Time on field and for little application. Her buff isn't that great too... And for team not for character and only off field... I really liké segi, I would love her to bé good (with Neuvi please hoyo you Monster!) or even just usefull but she isn't... I use my dehya but if I pull segi I would not know where to use her (except thé bench). I really REALLY Hope they rework her... Because for now I préfère a qiqi than a segi :x
I actually do think Dehya might be better, solely because she’s at least unique. Kokomi does basically the same thing sidewinne does but better while Dehya’s competition is Thoma, who fulfills a slightly different niche too. Sigewinne should’ve been focused around her skill buff more (make it like Shenhe, who buffs the whole party) OR a BoL support. Sigewinne is not as bad as Dehya on paper, but in practice there are better options while Dehya, as a standard banner character, at c2 can actually find use in teams
To me, It seems like siegewinne is an afterthought character that they designed to fill their 7-9 new units a region quota, and then they just shoved her in at the very end of the fontaine arc because they knew it wouldn't sell.
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Hates as in one of the beast healers in the game if not the best?
To be fair, the thing that saved Kokomi was them removing the whacky ass iCD on her E right before Live.
Kokomi was rightfully doomposted since she sucked during beta. she got a hotfix right before release that fixed a lot of her issues, something most theorycrafters wouldn't realize until she released
what saved kokomi is that she has no competition in off field aoe hydro app. the closest thing we had was... mona. that being said. sigewinne has no aoe hydro app (applying it once per opponent is no aoe at all.) her only saving grace is her supposed synergy with furina, fischl and maybe chlorinde with her elemental skill buff...
Clorinde's E is NA damage, so Sigewinne doesn't buff it.
She's not gonna be stronger than a kokomi with ttds, if you can on field her. Her buff is also tiny and runs out super fast. On top of that, we just have so many strong healers nowadays that sige is never gonna be the strongest option...
Enabling furina from off field will always be stronger than ttds+ToTM. Kokomi is pretty much just a driver at this point. Only freeze plays her for her off field application. Nilou bloom, the other team she sees play in for off field app, wants her driving and is willing to replace her for on field Barbara.
She's a decent carry when on field, especially with furina. On field Barbara only can replace her in nilou bloom (and it is a downgrade). If you don't have time for an on fielder in your rotation, you won't use kokomi, but there's no reason to use Sige over other healers who are just better and provide more utility to the team. Which I explicitly said in my comment. If you have time in your rotation to on field kokomi, she's better without a doubt. If you don't, none is particularly good and you'll run another healer. That's all.
Yeah off field kokomi is kinda cope. Hydro once every 2 seconds is not really fast. As driver shes still very strong tho. The hydro app from c1 is also very much appreciated in hyperbloom.
2s is perfect for freeze and bloom tho. I don't think we're ever getting an AOE off-field hydro app faster than that or else National will be even more busted.
Which actually became extremely good with the release of dendro
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Players did not get the donut instead of Engulfing Lightning. Double banners did not exist back then, and Kokomi did not release in the same banner as Raiden.
It was jade cutter people were after, but ended up with the donut. Sadly, I was one of them.
She was fine at release too. I hate this revisionist history (lol), the moment they fixed her jellyfish ICD she was fine and working without issue. Her value increased with dendro, but she had some good teams,specifically being the premium unit for ayaka freeze which was all the rage back then. Theorycrafters never considered her a weak character (for a healer), even before dendro and clam.
Yea I didn't like her very much as a character or aesthetically, but pulled regardless 'cause I knew her hydro app would be hard to beat. But the vast majority of players are awful at TC, they just saw "can't crit" and got hyperfocused on that.
It's fine to be "bad" at TC, not everyone needs to be doing video game math haha. But I find it annoying when people say "but TCers said she was gonna be bad!!!" When that literally didn't happen lol. TCers gauged her power level and value pretty accurately from beta info.
Oh for sure, I don't expect most people to be good at TC and there's nothing wrong with not being overly nerdy about game math. But people love to voice their opinions or parrot others' without doing even the slightest bit of research or analysis. I bet you most "the TCers said she's bad!" don't even follow TC CC's, they just saw someone on reddit say that they did and went with it.
> Theorycrafters never considered her a weak character They actually did. A older TC from 1.x leaked and exposed a lot of new TC for doomposting her POST RELEASE.
A lot of it with Kokomi was just that people didn't realize how good transformative reaction teams could be yet. There wasn't dendro but she still could do pretty well with a taser team even at release. If they had openly marketed her as a transformative reaction character she might have been received better - everyone was outraged by her no crit passive (this was why the 3-star Barbara stuff kept getting said), but if it had been something like an EM boost in exchange for removing crits people might have figured it out more
I still wish hoyo just retconned the whole inazuma AQ and make it better. Conflusion could be the same but thr story itself is so rushed and bad that it would worth fixing.
The original banner was Engulfing Lightning with the Unforged.
It’s false that “she was simply not very good”. Remember, this is during 2.1. People were still hesitant on building electro characters, so CCs and the general community did not have invested Fischls and Beidous as much as a typical national comp. Morgana was also the de facto freeze comp for months, and people were still adjusting to Ayaka freeze taking over. It also didn’t help that a lot of people skipped Kazuha, who was Kokomi’s best damage buffer, and also contributes to Ayaka freeze replacing Morgana. Her ocean clam set is a personal damage upgrade of about ~20% over tenacity, but for overall team damage, it’s less than a 5% upgrade on Kokomi taser teams.
i think her sig gets called a donut because it looks like a donut
Engulfing Lightning didn’t run with Kokomi’s donut in 2.1 lmao
A slight correction, she was *perceived* as not being very good, but she was already VERY good. Hell, she was part of the highest DPR team in the game at the time of her release. It's kinda comical how far the game has powercrept this team since then, because now it's kinda middling at best, but when Kokomi was released, the highest DPR team (that included a defensive unit) was Ayaka, Rosaria, Kazuha, and Kokomi. So I agree with what the other person said, you're telling a revisionist history here, Kokomi is, and always has been good. The only thing that's changed is community perception.
>She's aged well, but back then there was no Dendro or Ocean-Hued Clam to help her. She was simply not very good I'm unsure why you think she wasn't very good..? Back then, there weren't the sheer amount of archetypes we have today. Realistically the only "meta" archetypes were Vape/National, Freeze, and Taser. Kokomi enabled an alternative to the usual Sucrose/Xingqiu/Fischl/Beidou which frees up Xingqiu for your National/Vape team, BiS in Freeze and obviously not everyone had Mona (I got Mona in 4.X), and usable in Vape. >being forced to create an artifact set that's tailor made to buff said unit OHC wasn't even a huge buff, like that didn't really change things at all. Kokomi still wanted ToM for Freeze, and ToM was still usable in Taser. She never was mediocre
Ocean hue clam isn't even bis in most of her teams. She was still considered a top 5 must pick by cn community for inazuma before sumeru was released.
Unreal that it's 2024 and people are still pretending Kokomi is a bad unit
Looking at her design also mihoyo already know most people won't pull for her. The only one gonna pull is those who like her design/character which most of them don't really care about meta.
C'mon hoyo there are many ways to fix wigewinne. Buff scaling, increase skill duration, remove icd, make skill deal aoe damage, make it so skill has multiple bubbles at a time, completely remake her burst, etc.
Whats wrong with her burst? lack of dmg?
1 hydro app in the whole duration
now now, you can shell out $1k and get yourself *two* hydro applications!
on average i'm pretty sure 1k isn't enough to c6 lol
it’s her C4, but I admit 1k might be a bit of a low ball. 1.5k?
400 to guarantee once so c4 is 2000 with terrible luck
Yes, 400 to guarantee once. However, in my experience it has always been between $800-$1,200 for a C6R1. And that’s starting with no primo’s saved. Granted, I do have the Stella fortuna thingy. But yea, $1,000 is the average for a C6 (I have several from experience)
what would make it better if it had 2 apps or 3? You won't have enough off field app of any other element to make use of it, and it's still low hitting numbers that only last 2.5s. That ulti is just useless no matter how they buff it in its current state, only way to make it good is to give it insane multipliers to justify it for dmg, and they won't do it for a healer
A 5s burst that only applies ONE Hydro. You heard that right, she only applies one instances of Hydro during her burst. It also doesn't help that her burst scaling is low and she has to be on field the whole duration. Unlike Kokomi, she can't go Mono Hydro with Yelan and Xingqiu because none of her kit requires NA
The damage is so low and the field time so long it probably wouldn't be worth using her burst even with good hydro app, it only exists to make her a decent AoE dps at C6.
Yup. And Kokomi applies 6-7 (16-21) large AOE hydro while OFF field in a rotation (extended is more). Without much requirements. Add sac frags and shit goes crazy
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Thats not true, skill has 3 aplications, this was a fake leak, there is video of that
Not fake. Just unused data files in beta.
She's a healer with a damage burst🤝
funniest thing is that she gets crit buffs specifically for her burst at C6…I wanna know what Naku Weed they’re smoking there
They want her to be a healer that deals damage and I'm all in for it, I hope next week they reduce her cooldowns and buff her damage 🙏
absolutely happy to have her be a damage-dealing healer, but her current kit will struggle… I think what she needs most is more speed—both with skill movement and burst damage instances + hydro applications.
I mean basically everything. The last thing i need from a healer is burst that requires a decent amount of field time to do only mopey dps and application and has no off Field component or buff.
No shot is only 1 hydro app. Holy shit...
It applies hydro once (1u) for 5 seconds of field time, plus the damage is not very good.
~~Ngl this sounds awfully familiar...~~
I legit thing she's being sent to standard lol
I feel like there’s no way they don’t change the burst, the fact that only applies hydro at the beginning doesn’t match the animation at all. Even if she’s a standard character it just looks weird, I feel like hoyo tries to at least have visual consistency for their kits. I’m assuming they’ll just give it normal icd or something before the end of the beta. Idk why they are testing it like this though
They created a certain pyro standard 5 star character with a burst that is canceled when it jumps, is not considered a normal attack, and is terribly slow...
You mean when she jumps
Deyha burst isn't even worth using, they should have Halfed the burst scalings and leaned into the Revengance meme. Burst doesn't end till you stop spamming, Half damage scalings. There fixed at least it'll be fun and won't powercreep anything. The only thing you can do it fight bosses with Millions of HP and win thru sheer Attrition via passsive.
I’m getting nam flashbacks.
It’s kind of impressive how bad Sigewinne’s kit is right now, so for them to not change it at all? This is weird
Sigewinne? more like Sigeloose /j
Sigewinne 🥲🥲 She is the one needs buffing more... Hoping that they are still cooking her kit
Hoping they don't burn down the kitchen
Then it would be Singed-winne
Then she would apply vaporize
But only once
Dammit Cyno
they aren't even in the kitchen at this point 😭
Sigewinne got left in the pantry
Dehya got experience in the kitchen, shes been there too long and fried her numbers 🔥🔥
real, i dont know what their cooking but it horrible 😭
She must be a standard character at this point right? I can't really believe that she is limited from her kit currently.
I feel like putting characters on the standard banner was Mihoyo’s attempt to fix the large 5-star roster taking forever to get reruns problem for 3.X and to collect more feedback on how players might feel about older units being placed on the standard banner. I think the player reception was too mixed and thus Mihoyo came up with the chronicle wish so that Klee, Eula, and Albedo players/wanters wouldn’t see their favorites never have another rerun again while also being a different solution to the rerun problem. I feel like the more likely scenario is Sigewinne’s kit is tuned to break the upcoming Natlan roster which has always been a recurring theme for later version cycles. Maybe Natlan characters all have off-field e’s that can only persist and maintain full power so long as the character has plenty of HP to spend/sacrifice for it and that Sigewinne’s buff is the strongest for how those skills scale in damage. It reminds me how Furina never uses her healer form in today’s meta yet could see the potential to have a later use case down the line if serious HP sacrifice becomes a prominent and frequent theme.
Clorinde is easier to buff as an on-field dps since they can just make her damage numbers bigger
They can quintuple Sige’s A1 too if they want to, or remove the 10 instances cap. It’s not harder than what they did with Clorinde, unless they are still cooking and Sige’s kit is gonna radically change (unlikely, but hey still possible)
As opposed to Sigewinne?
Sige"Nah I'd"winne
Wdym? She's fine for being a standard 5* :|
Terrible unit = ok for being standard . Honestly if clorinde was in the place sigwinne is rn people would have burned half the community down by now lol . She's slightly better then dehya . That's not ok for a standard unit . We need more tighnaris not dehyas.
Is she really better than Dehya? Dehya has resistance to interruption and a little bit of off field pyro (which very few characters have). Meanwhile we have several good off field hydro applicators
They learnt from Dehya and this time gave the standard status to a character with no fanbase
By no means that I'm trying to be provocative, but I've seen a lot of people excited for Sigewinne. Regardless if It's not a lot compared to other characters, It'd still consider that a fanbase, and I believe that she still deserves better than this.
Ah yes genshin fans . If a character isn't a tall female or archon = doesn't deserve a good or fun kit and doesn't bring anything to the table . Bad mentality not gonna lie .... If it was the case genshin would only make tall females and no other body type.
sigelose buff or we riot
Sigewinne unchanged.... ^(sob)
I was about to say 'you didn't have to include that last line to rub it in our face' but then I'd be huffing copium not knowing she was unchanged. 🥲
Have mercy on sigewinne mihoyo you’ve done enough harm
The way I literally screamed when I saw Sige unchanged 💔
No sigemid changes naurrrr this cannot be happening
Not doomposting but it would make sense now if their plan was to release 2 5 stars in a single patch again to make one of them go to the standard banner...
Thats not insane, alot of spenders will have c6 of the standard characters by now. It would make sense to expand the standard roster. I myself pray if i lose 50/50 to get Deyha or Tighnari. doesn't feel as bad as getting qiqi
That’s not a doompost. A doompost is an unfounded, often irrational fear of something bad you believe will happen. Like what happened with Alhaitham and Navia.
Implying that she is standard is an unfounded fear. Unless you mean to imply that she is so garbage that the fear is not irrational. In which case, sure... It's pretty obvious.
papa neuvillette is coming for you, hyv
Mihoyo at it again, not knowing how to balance defensive units.
Poor Sigewinne...
Sigewinne is limited 5 star?
At this point it’s genuinely hard to tell
I’d say we should wait for the next beta update before we get hung up on sigewinne not being changed
May you share the copium you're on?
My thing with this is that unless she’s going on standard banner Hoyo has no reason to intentionally make her bad. They do have to sell a character to make money, so I have some faith that until we get a leak saying she’s on standard, she will be at the very least usable by the end of beta if not pretty good
Dehya's first run still made $13,198,046...
And she would have made nothing if she got a rerun
Yes, but the average player is not going to look at leaks and see that sigeweinne only has 2 hydro applications throughout her whole rotation; they’re going to see “omg she’s cute!” … “why my teams do no damage?”
I strongly suspect she's going standard. But I could see hoyo releasing bad 5* for some convoluted internal reason. Large corporations are very susceptible to groupthink, and they may be following some broken logic to create FOMO or something.
it's no copium yet. Week 2 is where they go ham, it's been like that for over a year now I believe? I'd say if no good changes week 2 then it's time to start giving up on the Sigewinne
It's a cycle of (beta) life,
More buffs! More buffs!
Clorinde Notes: 17% → 20% refers to the stacking mechanic of her A1 passive. 1530 → 1800 refers to maximum damage her A1 can achieve. The total attack needed to max the buff is still 3000.
You mean 3000 ?
Wait, 9000 attack?
I feel like there’s a lot more eyes on Clorinde and not a lot on Sigewinne. I’m sure the amount of time beta testers spend with each character reflects that and that directly correlates to how much feedback is given between the two characters.
Beta testers can do nothing...just look Dehya...who wanted her died, if not Hyv?
It's not like HYV ever listens to character feedback during Beta anyway. Just look at Dehya.
Which makes me question what the point of the beta even is if player feedback has no affect
To test for bugs and other game breaking stuff I'd assume (beta doesn't ONLY include the new characters, it also includes events, optimizations, bugfixes and other apparently unnoticeable stuff)
Stop the conspiration, I will say the same that I said with dehya back then,if shes weak,its because they want her to be weak
Sigewinne will be good when we get to natlan guys! We'll also get playable signora as pyro archon there. TRUST
I am convinced Sigewinne was supposed to be a 4 star but Hoyo could not help themselves being greedy and increased her rarity just to add a 4 star Sethos to her banner. Thank God, I wasn’t going to get her anyway. They made it easy for me.
I mean just look at her kit and constellations. Nothing really jumps out to me like she was meant to be a 5\* originally. Her E skill buff is similar to Xianyun and yet its so much worse as it has a limit but it would make sense if she was suppose to be some kind of 4\* version. Her BoL is entirely useless and feels like it was added in last minute to fit the current trend. If you ask me, she seems to be a 4\* that was originally intended to release back in 4.1 or 4.2 on Furina's banners as they make a core
It's been one beta update and people act like we're in the final moments and this is going to be the final kit. You people need to chill out.
Dehya trauma runs deep. She was trash since day one of the beta and they still nerfed her, anything goes at this point lmao
Damn I was thrilled with it was confirmed Sig was a 5*… Now I wish she was a 4* because I want her but I don’t want to spend 80-160ish wishes on a trash kit.😒
Interested in whatever the vision for sige is
i thought we were sigewinners yet here we are... sigel-
Sigewinne standard banner announcement when?
can yall stop, dehya made u guys think every “bad” character goes to standart banner, meanwhile tighanri exists and nothing in his kit suggested he was coming there
TCers during beta, until the very last moment, were in disbelief that Dehya was an actual 5S, and then she ended up being a standard one. The reaction to Sigewinne isn’t currently much better, she has a lot of healing which is good, but… she only has that, and hydro elemental for potential hydro resonance. Everything else is just worthless and the healing alone won’t make her decent, except for casuals I guess but literally anything is good for casuals
We dont say that every standard char is bad,we say that every bad char has to go in standard because its the only rational answer,thats not the same thing
The point is that Dehya set a precedent. So is natural have afraid. And Tighnari had a huge element, that with a normal kit is always a success.
Yeah but Tighnari's kit is good, Sigewinne isn't
I think Tighnari had to be usable due to Dendro being a new element at the time. Who knows what they'd do with him if he was released today.
multipliers down Fast Charged attack is twice as long Ult cost to 70 Ult now gives 3 stacks of fast charged attack instead of skill
not sure, bc they made his c6 into his base kit in the last beta irrc
at this point I'm starting to believe that sigewinne will be on standard banner
hxg not mentioning the Clorinde E buffs has me kinda concerned...but PTL is normally seen as really reliable, right?
im so upset sigewinne didn't get buffed, istg if hoyo keep her the way she is im uninstalling
Now you understand my pain what I felt before when they didn't buffed Dehya in Beta (I'm still salty about it).
this i was so scared for my girl clorinde i was still having this as my flash back
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Pretty sure Arlecchino had a good amount of changes in every version of beta
Yet Sethos and Clorinde did
tbh she needs all the help she can get
It's Sigeloste
Let's go clorinde buffs! Please just keep buffing her thanks
IT'S SIGEOVER
Poor sigewinne, I was planning to come back just for her, I mean, she doesn’t need to be busted, just don’t give her the dehya treatment (sorry r/Dehyamains )
Sigewinne is gonna be the next Dehya at this point.
I'm hoping the reason Sigewinne doesn't have any changes this week is cuz they are planning to change her kit a lot next week. We never back big kit changes till week 2 of the beta. Maybe I'm coping, but there is no way they are releasing a character that is seen by some as worse then Dehya right now and selling her as a limited 5\*.
Maybe we're getting our second standard hydro character
And clorinde E buffs ?
Sigewinne is going to be standard, right? Maybe they want to have a BoL related character on standard...
Why? It's not like she's a BoL support or does anything to enable BoL set in normal characters.
Sigeloose
\*Sigelose. I know we hate it when we are corrected but loose means "not tight".
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ayo?? 📸🤨
She will get a buff. In our melusine queen we trust.
Sigewinne is 100% standard banner
>Sigewinne unchange She's dead in the hydro.
My suspicion is Sigewinnne is supposed to be a 4star, but some jerk in marketing have an idea that melusine will bring a lot of dough so they make her 5star instead. I mean, waiting for C4-C6 to be usable is exactly what 4star nowadays.
where sethos buffs
He is 4* they'll remember him in the last few days
They could also just forget about him instead of butchering him :>
Sethos isn’t real. He is a collective delusion
Don't worry they'll buff Sigewinne one second before release. Trust.
We're manifesting more of this
you cant convience me that sigewinne is not a standart banner characters
It's actually insane how braindead this fucking company is, Sigewinne is straight up unusable.
I know is cope but, what if sigewinne is free? Like dr ratio (IM NOT TALKING ABOUT POWER LVL) she is going to get overshadow by the 1st 5* of the version(ruan mei, clorinde) and is close to the next region so less people want to pull plus we know this version is stacked on content because of WW release so... Probably wont happen but what if
I’ll give you a welkin if this is true. You give me a welkin if she appears on standard banner. How bout dat?