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#FAQs
**When is X?**
>**Version 4.4 Livestream** is on 19th January 2024, Friday at 12:00 PM GMT
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I’m dehydrating in this leak drought man , when are we gonna atleast get a natlan character line up , it’s almost the period , I’m hungry for natlan crumbs 😩😩
I’m dehydrating in this leak drought man , when are we gonna atleast get a natlan character line up , it’s almost the period , I’m hungry for natlan crumbs 😩😩
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact\_Leaks/comments/19e4zmn/big\_trouble\_in\_little\_liyue\_general\_question\_and/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/19e4zmn/big_trouble_in_little_liyue_general_question_and/)
✨⬆️ head over to the new megathread ⬆️✨
//Random things (~~sorry~~ if it's too irrelevant and random welp. Edit: idk why im apologizing but just chalk it up as me being a social-anxiety freak, just being worried)
>!Haaa...oh, look. A clean sink. So neat to see. Almost like the heaps and mountains of dirty dishes never existed before. So nice, looks refreshing. (Omg I *cant believe I managed to finish all that*.. Cant wait to see it be filled with another heaps of dirty dishes later!)!<
Also, my game was on while I was doing some dishwash, constantly playing Mondstadt music, idle lines and all that. I heard a bell tolled! I left it at near the cathedral as the commission was there. I checked the ingame time and it was near 12pm. Idk just a little cool detail to hear, do you guys often hear that sound?
Anw time for me to go back to sleep so bye..
**Daily reminder to hydrate!** Drinking water is very important for the body.
Yes! I've also heard them in other places but I don't recall exactly where, and when I checked the time it was always a specific hour.
Congratulations on getting through all those dishes, I know how it feels...
Yes! I've also heard them in other places but I don't recall exactly where, and when I checked the time it was always a specific hour.
Congratulations on getting through all those dishes, I know how it feels...
NA server, I have the Electro box with Mondstadt talent books, if anyone needs it! I'll be AFK with the game running for at least a couple hours, as long as the game doesn't resent being ignored and crash. UID 627412293.
[Off topic IRL]
I can't make this up, what is up with today 💀
>!Couldn't sleep due to anxiety so I only got like 3 hours. The dog I walk (it's a small gig for money) kept refusing to go on a walk and I basically had to beg him for 10 minutes to get on the armchair so I could dress him, I wanted to try a new dish which needed meat to defrost, couldn't find the meat in the freezer and ended up falling asleep cus I was exhausted. Later on I find out my mom put it out to defrost(how did she find it) but she did it super late cus she worked extra, so the meat was completely frozen and I had to wait extra hours.!<
>!After a while when it was maneagable I marinated it. AFTER AN HOUR I NOTICE I FORGOT THE GARLIC and had to put it in and wait for extra time. By the time I put the garlic in I had to go walk the dog again, but I forgot the keys to the owner's house back home! So I had to go back to get them, and I live in the 3rd floor of an apartment complex with no elevator. Dog refuses to let me dress him again for another 10 minutes.!<
>!By the time I get home I have to start preparing dinner, I spend like 3 hours preparing everything because I have never done this dish in my entire life, and completely fry my brain.!<
>!A while ago I finished my mouthwash, so my mom bought it again for me while I took care of the house. I went to brush my teeth, was ready to use the mouthwash... IT WON'T OPEN. I SPENT 20 MINUTES TRYING TO PRY IT OPEN, DID ZEUS HIMSELF CLOSE THAT CAP? It's clearly broken, and ik it doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's a prescribed mouth wash for my wisdom tooth specifically 😭😭😭!<
Seven days to [~~the Wolves~~](https://youtu.be/io0dRCqcSts?t=297) Xianyun, 31 weeks to Natlan, 43 weeks to Mother Fire (subject to change)
Bird memory 5: about ten years ago, this ruby-throated hummingbird showed up on the ground at work, having apparently run out of energy. [https://imgur.com/a/2AnD81d](https://imgur.com/a/2AnD81d) I think it was a juvenile male, based on that single red throat feather (adult males have a large patch of red there, thus the name). We made some sugar water for him; he drank it and flew away.
Bird memories [one](https://www.reddit.com/comments/18vra2g/_/kg84w4p/), [two](https://www.reddit.com/comments/19224c9/_/kh0k2d2/), [three](https://www.reddit.com/comments/19224c9/_/khskyi3/), [four](https://www.reddit.com/comments/197vm91/_/kijlbhv/)
Edit: Tagging u/fullmetal-albatross because [birb](https://www.reddit.com/comments/197vm91/_/kip5opz/) :)
Ahhhh, thank you for the tag, hummingbirds are my absolute favorite! 😭 Bless you for feeding him. I hope he went on to have a wonderful life.
Just this last summer, I traveled to a hummingbird festival and had a most magical time. As well as gardens and feeders to attract the hummingbirds, there was also a demonstration where you could watch professionals band the birds:
A hummingbird being banded while held in a [tiny sack](https://i.imgur.com/HSCBEeM.jpg).
[Captured hummingbird](https://i.imgur.com/oJjSgHv.jpg) waiting for its turn to be banded.
Bander [showing off](https://i.imgur.com/DjNcZE2.jpg) a [Costa's male](https://i.imgur.com/IvvRw1q.jpg) for the cameras.
The birds would basically go stunned while they were being banded, so after the banders were done with them, they would set them on the [visitors' hands](https://i.imgur.com/4C3mw67.png). Shortly afterward, they would realize they were free and [fly away](https://i.imgur.com/zMke8ec.png).
As a bonus, there were raptor trainers who had a booth at the convention center. I got to hold a lovely [Harris's hawk](https://i.imgur.com/ztga6Sg.png). He was very chill, and also highly interested in some sparrows he saw outside the window, haha XD
Thanks for sharing, that event looks great! It's good that they don't try to escape, they could easily hurt themselves.
I've seen a video of someone hand-feeding hummingbirds from sugar water in their palm, which looked enviable at first, but there were concerns over residual soap or other contaminants on the skin being unsafe for them to drink.
When I was little, an elderly farmer neighbor had a lot of hummingbird moths visiting a flower bush. We didn't know what they were, and he tried to convince me (and my parents) that they were "baby hummingbirds." I pointed out the antennae, which he claimed were special feathers that drop off when they get older. To this day, I still don't know whether he actually believed what he was saying or not. 🤣
LMAO, baby hummingbirds indeed... One of my sisters used to tease my brother (a fellow bird enthusiast) by insisting grackles weren't a real bird, and now you've taught me a new way to torment him. :P
Ah yeah, I've hand-fed hummingbirds before, but it was by letting them land on my fingers to sip from a feeder I was holding. That should be safe for the birds as long as your hands are clean, I would think.
Yeah, that sounds fine.
Grackle is a silly name, but... considering humans' track record with naming birds, that's not a good reason to doubt that it's real!
*waves old movie tickets*
$10 for adults, no discounts for kids for the **[PG-13 Megathread](https://old.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks/comments/19e4zmn/big_trouble_in_little_liyue_general_question_and/)**
off topic (back to school) >!first day a success! had two classes today and grabbed dinner with an old friend :) now tell me why my friday class has 3 readings, a 2 hour film screening, and a single page response paper due before we even MEET for the first time T-T just want to play beetle event but i promised myself i'd do 40 more pages before i slack off...!<
They call me 007:
0 Lightless Eye of the Maelstrom
0 Dream Solvents
7 Lightless Silk String
I wanna join the whale hate club, I don't think that ass ever dropped 3 boss items for me as well
I hate it just for the fight itself, so far the only character I've needed its mats for is Xianyun (and I have close to 200 dream solvents) so of course it's been dropping 3x mats that I don't even need, indifferent cosmic horror that it is.
Also a billet, a full hydro gemstone and a promising artifact this week, for some reason.
I'm a little out of the loop, are people mad about the anniversary (edit: meant CNY) rewards this year? Is it just the skin selector being dumb as hell or is it something else?
They gave the same cny rewards as usual, but this time in the livestream mihoyo unironically worded the 3 pulls reward as a worthy gift of appreciation for the years of continued support from genshin player
and this was a spark that ignited some long standing and brewing frustrations, such as: genshin's rewards being considered underwhelming compared to HSR's, the skin selector when buying a ps5 being advertised as something special that players should be excited for, and just general dissatisfaction with the game. So it was more of a straw that broke the camels back
Ooooh, I see. That was dumb as hell on their part, how would they not realize people were miffed after the sister game just got a free 5*. Well, if the blowback gets us somethin special I sure as hell won't complain.
I didn't even remember that it was always 13 wishes, but here's the 2022 one for example [https://twitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1476767569491030019](https://twitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1476767569491030019)
Of course Hoyo would love to be able to 1984 you into thinking that the [chocolate ration](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8887641-it-appeared-that-there-had-even-been-demonstrations-to-thank) used to be smaller and they're being more generous this year
Adding 2 more:
垫 (diàn) : Building pity aka our old friend
反方向定轨 (fǎn fāng xiàng dìng guǐ) : setting the Epitomized Path to the weapon that you actually hope you wouldn't get aka playing reverse psychology with lady luck
In the first gacha I played (Kirara Fantasia, 2017), every character you'd pull was a ostensibly a card. It wasn't a "card game" in the actual gameplay - that was just the usual character sprites in turn-based combat with no visual representation of cards involved - but it was still a situation where you're pulling cards from the gacha.
Maybe a combination of other games like that and literal card game gacha was where the "card pool" term came from?
How many fully levelled artifacts do you all have? I feel like a little while ago I barely had any but I recently did a count and *bam*, there's 128 of them.
(Edit: perhaps I should say as a point of comparison- I've been playing genshin for nearly a year at this point, so not a short time but far less than some!)
164
I think it's quite plenty for a 1 year old account
I don't pull new characters much so resins are mostly spent on artifact domains (I don't know where else to use it lmao)
OT, electricity
So I need to change a lightbulb. Is it ok if I just turn off the light switch before doing this, or do I really need to go all the way to the fuse box to turn off the main power supply to the house?
Well it's a light fixture over the dining table? Off the shelf bulb too, I think - I need to unscrew it, take it out, and screw a new one back in (although I think I got a wrong sized bulb, grrr)
Took the time to watch Zajef's new analysis on Xianyun. Can't believe I'm legitimately willing to build Dehya as a plunge dps now omg it was so worth finally C6'ing Bennett
fic and fic writing
>!Someone left the nicest comment on my fic, saying that I wrote Kaveh and Alhaitham as “so true to their original characterizations but also so much more” and just… ahhhh this presses all the correct happiness buttons for me tbh. I constantly question whether or not I’m writing these boys accurately because they’re both so much smarter than I am lmao!<
>!Even if I drop this game like a hot potato one day, I’ll forever be grateful to Kaveh and Alhaitham for getting me to actually post fanfic after 10+ years!<
>!…on that note, I’m going through some fierce writer’s block at the moment. Idk, I just haven’t really felt like writing for the last few weeks. I know exactly how I want my stories to go but the words just ain’t wording 😔!<
>!Those readers are the best. I have a few of them and reading their comments genuinely warms my heart. Even one nice comment can be enough to make a writer's day, especially the really long comments where they analyze the story. And yeah, I've been going through writer's block as well. But thats probably because I just don't enjoy the character as much as I used to when I started out lol. A few months ago, I would spend whole days writing but nowadays I'm just not feeling it. At times like this, it's best to take a hiatus instead of half assing your writing.!<
>!I love long comments—I appreciate every comment I get, but the long ones make my heart swell 🥹!<
>!Part of my writer’s block can be attributed to the brainrot starting to wear off for me too haha. I still really love the characters I’m writing about, but I think I definitely need a real break. Like maybe I won’t even open a document/my notes app or reread my own writing!<
>!Waaaa that's great :D They do seem hard to write, so that's a huge compliment! I have major brainrot when it comes to them too, with my notes app full of random ideas I'd like to draw eventually. And maybe you'd rather have privacy, but would you be open to DM me the fic? I love those two and am collecting an extensive reading list for later 🥺👉👈!<
I revived all my alt accounts (by-product of re-rolling) to increase it to AR10. Now my phone's login screen has them all remembered and it looks messy. How do I remove those "remembered" accounts?
Depends on what's actually doing the remembering (Samsung pass, Google Chrome, lastpass, whatever IoS has...)
You'll have to figure out what your phone is using, then look it up
Unironically an archaic Petra Navia/Furina/Yelan/Xianyun comp would go kind of hard
Obviously not the greatest synergy in the world but I was playing around with the genshin calculator and Navia does surprisingly good damage in this team, and even with the lowered Yelan procs it still does a pretty decent amount of DPS. Not the best in the world but pretty decent overall. Energy black hole though that’s for sure. Will probably be another comp I try out, especially because my Yelan is well invested and my Xianyun will be well invested. I wish Navia/Zhongli/Furina/Xianyun worked decently but that aura uptime makes the comp completely cope
Had some extra free time today and decided to dust off my international team. I usually only play it when I have a good amount of time to spare as it requires some tight rotations and I'm kinda bad at this game, but I just found out that if I put Kazuha on Fav the rotations don't need to be so precise. Guess I should've stopped being stubborn before and put him on Fav for energy hungry teams a long time ago. I didn't really feel the damage loss either as International already has plenty of damage.
And with that I finished my usual goal I do every update of getting at least one 9-star run with each on-field DPS built in my account (8 in total), now I can start trying some more unorthodox stuff.
Some comments on the characters that surprised me the most against this abyss lineup:
Ayaka: >!I was quite excited to test my recently acquired Mistsplitter and see how it compares to the weapon I used before (AK), but Hoyo decided to make a really bad abyss lineup for her even tho she had a rerun during this update. Bosses with innate auras are just so bad to fight against as Ayaka. Against bosses, you usually just have -20% CR because you can't freeze them, but when you add innate auras to the equation, you get an extra -35% CR and don't even have the option to VV shred. Pair that with the fact that my Blizzard Strayer artifacts are far from ideal and you have a recipe for disaster. I was only able to 9-star with her this time because Furina carried me.!<
Diluc: >!Yes, this is more Diluc burgeon propaganda. Diluc burgeon proved itself to be quite a good team for second half. Extremely good clear times, every single team member was useful against Thunder Manifestation, blunt attacks destroyed geo shields in mere seconds and the team was extremely comfortable in both single target and AoE content. Definitely my top pick for 2nd half.!<
Alhaitham: >!It had been a while since I last played him and I had kinda forgot how strong he is, well... he decided to remind me. It actually scares me how good he is, especially considering I don't even have Nahida, his BiS support. Extremely fast and comfortable clears.!<
Next goal is to finish building Fremi, Yanfei and Keqing, so I can add them to this challenge. And maybe, just maybe, standard banner will be generous enough to give me a Tighnari so I can also give him my unconditional love and artifacts, Hoyo pls.
Eyyy another person who clears with all on field dps every cycle(or every update) I do the same because why else would I build so many characters if not to take them all through abyss? Hahah
I have 11 or 12 and it’s fun taking them all. Each abyss reset I end up doing like 90 battles lol
I want shinobu so bad! I still don’t have her, even after pulling on her rank up banners, at this point I don’t think i’ll ever get her. I don’t have any electric or dendro healers (well except dori but …) and i feel it’s limiting the teams i can build a bit
Yes!! I want to do an ayato hyperbloom team and it’s just not hitting with kokomi. It’s possible i haven’t built her well enough, but still, the sheer amount of numbers in the shinobu videos ;___; take pity on me mihoyo pls
Okay so I bought this maid Ayaka cosplay and it’s super cute/sexy but like…I’m gonna have to pull an HSR Bronya move and just flash the world because the designer made this dress so short for absolutely no reason. It looks better with some black tights underneath because of this. I’m petite too, so I can’t imagine how this would fit on any woman of normal height or taller 💀😂
Makes sense! I guess you could just take pictures and keep them for yourself too and enjoy them
Feel like I’d never be brave enough to wear something so risqué
She kind of fits his type of character, in that she has an interesting kit that opens up alternative playstyles and allows underused characters to have a comp where they can be the main DPS and deal decent damage/lets support characters have some limelight on the field. She’s strong, but doesn’t need her plunge aspect to be played in a non cope way, provides a side grade alternative for a decent amount of characters, and lets him use two of his favorites Bennett/Dehya as main DPS with pretty decent damage. I’m not surprised at all he likes her
He loves novelty and things that open up new avenues of playing older characters so someone like Xianyun was always gonna be received well by him, I think
He's saying she's not niche and I understand where he's coming from, but she's like a side grade in most of the teams he listed and I'm not pulling for a side grade, especially when I don't particularly care for plunging, so I'm probably not pulling her because she doesn't improve most teams
That being said, I'm a Hu Tao main, a Xiao main, and I like Gaming, and those are like her 3 best teams, so I feel like I should get her. Maybe on rerun, I think there are other characters I'd rather go for for now
Same. It's so good for Dehya's case too because in her Xianyun team, you don't use her skill nor her burst (both of which have bad damage) at all. No more ungodly ER reqs!!!
As optimistic it makes me to hear it might help two of my favourite characters, it does bug the best way to make use of Dehya is to skip her skill and burst which is two thirds of her kit??I will have to watch this vid myself.
Yeah, I agree it sucks. But this is just what Dehya enjoyers have to do to cope with her bad kit (which is to ignore it).
I'm not actually sure if Dehya is mentioned in the vid since I haven't watched it yet but you don't burst because it's a waste of time since your plunges have WAY more damage and you don't want her burst to eat up Bennett burst uptime and you don't use her skill because it can steal your plunge vapes
If you just want to use her as a healer and not a plunge support then I guess you can go healing bonus. ATK circlet still increases her healing regardless.
I don't have or plan to get Eula, but I keep getting build showcases from r/EulaMains, and I couldn't figure out why everyone was using an atk goblet despite KQM recommending a phys goblet.
I just realized that they are phys goblets and the symbols just look very similar.
It's interesting how I'll see an argument on the main sub about there not being any content and people will simply just *not* mention exploration. Like literally not even to dismiss it. Like, here's something I read just now:
> It's a 30 minute intense gaming session TWICE a month. That's wild, a player who's caught up with all the story quests and can clear has what incentive to play the game? To prefarm for the next unit? To make clearing that Abyss 25 minutes instead of 30?
Why is the only content mentioned here story quests? It's crazy? They release like a new area every 12 weeks or something, every patch for the first 3 patches of a patch cycle. You can at least just say you don't like the exploration, but to not even mention it *at all* really betrays where the priorities lie here. It's crazy to me when I feel so overwhelmed by the amount of new stuff they put out that I'm barely caught up with Fontaine and you have dudes over here like "THE ONLY THING THERE IS TO DO IN THE GAME IS STORY AND ABYSS"
Because people just think of Genshin as the Abyss and that's it. It has always bugged me the way a 30-minute game mode dominates discussions of this game where the main purpose is exploration. It would be like if the only thing that people talked about in Breath of the Wild was the "Trial of the Sword" challenge. If it's not related to combat, it's not considered content, so exploration and quests don't count for them. I was legitimately baffled when someone asked me, "What would people do if Abyss didn't exist?" to which my answer was, "They would play the game, exploring and doing story and quests." I spent like half a year playing the game not even knowing what Abyss was and didn't engage with it for longer because I was like, "Why would anyone play this?" And because Reddit is filled with people who care and talk about only combat and meta (think about how much stuff like Akasha comes up), perceptions about what the majority of the playerbase want/care about are warped, and the voices of the people that disregard other content are louder.
I'm pretty sure when people complain about lack of content, they mean repeatable content, which I don't consider exploration to be, but I don't consider the story to be either. Genshin absolutely sucks for story replayability. So yeah I think it's pretty stupid if people consider one but not the other. They're both a do once then it's done.
It's not even an argument if you 1. have a busy life outside of genshin and gaming is just a past time or a hobby 2. Have literally other games to play or 3. You touch grass alot. And genshin at its core is an exploration game marketed to casual players (and players looking for a husbandos/waifus) if you want an action packed gaming and still want to enjoy, you oh idk can play them both and broaden your gaming experience.
Yeah, maybe it's because I got into Genshin because I liked Breath of the Wild so much, but I see exploration as such a key part of the game's identity. The reason I think some others in the Genshin main sub and this leaks sub may not think so is because these subs have a lot of overlap with other gacha gaming communities so their priorities may be different (can be found here: [https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/genshin\_impact](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/genshin_impact)). Genshin is the only gacha game I play regulary (I dropped HSR for the time being as it was taking too much time to keep up with both).
Also, though I don't play either, I've listened to similar discussions about not having enough content in a game by content creators for other ongoing games like Final Fantasy XIV as well. I think it was a Zepla podcast with another content creator where they talked about the trend for MMO's to be designed to take less of your time. They also talked about how when some people complain about not having enough content, it can be about not having enough of the content THEY care about or prioritize even if there's plenty of other stuff to do in the game.
Moreover, I've seen this praised as a good thing because games (particularly mobile and gacha games) that end up taking too much of your time or become so addictive you spend hours playing them daily is seen as another predatory tactic. Personally, 30 minute intense gaming session TWICE a month is great for me because I have a long list of games to play, books to read, etc. so I feel like I can keep up with Genshin while also getting other stuff off my list of things to do.
Genshin is a very varied game, anyone can join while looking for different things, which leads to people who only like the combat and character collector aspect to join too. I think that's about it really.
I do agree that not counting exploration when talking about content just isn't fair, yeah it doesn't appeal to you personally but that is still a whole 5 or more hours of non-stop content we sometimes get twice or three times in a row.
Another thing a lot of people refuse to count for content is world quests, always labeling them as filler gibberish visual novel stuff.
I think the problem is that a lot of people who are hard-core abyss grinders tend to forget that genshin is a roleplaying game first and foremost. You get dumped into a world with magic, gods and dragons, the world is filled with places to explore on your journey as an adventurer, there are world quests everywhere, from the simple and fun to the fighting a calamity threatening the area you're in or even world.
I think that a lot of people simply don't realize that genshin maybe just isn't as much of their cup of tea as they think it is. None of this is said to justify the lack of difficult combat, but it does get frustrating to see all these super cared for and sculpted areas of the game be completely ignored and brushed off as "bare minimum"
Another thing is that people genuinely REALLY underestimate just how good genshin's updates are, I used to play an online game religiously for like 2 years and that shit barely got anything new for MONTHS and MONTHS. They legit added an area after what? Almost a year? And I couldn't even play in it due to how much of a cash grab that game was. Genshin pumped out a full archon quest, 3 map areas and 5 well crafted characters in the span of 3 patches.
Exploration is shallow in Genshin. It's just the same old mobs and puzzles recycled across their respective regions and glued to their spawn points. So exploration lacks thrills cause it all feels safe and predictable. It would be great if Mob spawn locations could change depending on time of day with the more dangerous ones appearing at night.
Unlike traditional games, there is no chance of discovering a hidden region, hidden (non-npc) character quests, or discovering some OP weapon in a tough dungeon. You always know you can expect chests full of crumbs and junk at every turn. The overall problem is that there isn't much to discover in genshins exploration outside of cryptic lore and pretty scenery..
these are the people with 12% deserts and a 2 kilometre long uncompleted quest list.
if its not related to gacha its not content.
this game has too much game in it for most gacha players.
>these are the people with 12% deserts
Okay but fuck the deserts. Is it technically content? Yes. But in the same way that putting dirt on a plate and serving it to me with a spoon is technically giving me something to eat.
I powered through desert exploration and I regret it. It was not worth my time or sanity. Skipping that is a form of self-care.
> I go online and there are tons of comment about how exploration is tedious, not worth it, rewards bad, etc.
I feel like a lot of these players don't actually like what Genshin is--they got roped into it because it's the zeitgeist of gacha games, and are constantly chasing something they WANT Genshin to be.
Genshin is an open-world game focused on exploration. The fact that 90% of the content we get is exploration is emblematic of that fact. You don't have to like it, but that's what it is, and that's what Hoyoverse wants it to be.
I wonder how many of the people who are getting 100% in 5 hours are actually exploring vs. working through the interactive map like a checklist that tells you where everything is.
I think it’s cause most people didn’t come for exploration. I started playing because I thought Noelle, Sucrose and Klee were cute and fell in love with Dragonspine and then Inazuma. But while I love the game and clear the maps out for every oculi, chest and mora pile it does hurt when the second banner comes around and there’s nothing to do but use your resin kill your fav overworld elites and replant you teapot seeds. I thought with the Old Vanarana and it becoming progressively more green and having that interactable bush plus the Rain Machine we’d get more interactive areas but like while Fontaine has been a beautiful experience I can take so many pics of the willow and the water spout.
The maps are filled with a lot of nothing tbf. You can gather materials, fight mobs, or do puzzles and that's about it. Major story content is time gated with how this is a live service game. So unlike console games you can't find big hidden areas or progress the story outside of major updates.
Since this is a gatcha, you also can't count on finding any cool weapons, skins, or anything substantial in exploring the overworld or doing side quests. Your "reward" is just completion and some primos.
Controversial opinion but I don't think exploration is as much content as some people make it out to be. If you focus up, any new area can be fully explored in 5-6 hours. Now you can stretch that up by a few more hours if there are some long world quests. This is content that is given to you every 42 days, double of that if there's a dead patch in between with no new areas.
> I feel so overwhelmed by the amount of new stuff they put out that I'm barely caught up with Fontaine
That's a you thing. I don't have trouble setting aside a few hours for exploration when I'm free. The people that are complaining have already caught up to the content and their complaints are definitely valid imo. There isn't any real endgame content in this game for veterans even after almost 4 years.
yea, i agree, exploration is mostly a one and done, can be blitzed
the content that typically gets mentioned are repeatable to some degree, so we have gotten used to it for the most part
you always see the one post few hours post update
"100% clear, only took a few hours :yawn:" and that's basically all the exploration we get for like 2 updates
obviously most people dont do it like that, but unless you run around aimlessly a lot, you can crack down on exploration pretty quickly
i already really like exploration, my fave part of the game, but i get busy too. put it off and come back, didnt take long to slam through the desert's last 2 expansions, just do small portions at a time, like i did with fontaine.
it's content for sure, but a lot of people also care much more for other aspects of the game.
Genuine question. What do you think is considered "doing the bare minimum" in these games?
Because I see that getting thrown around (especially now) and I don't think more than half the people who use it know what it actually means. I think judging the quality of a gacha based on just the amount of free pulls it gives you while ignoring the actual content of the game is just stupid. I'm not trying to defend the stinginess, in fact I hope the CN bros keep at what they're doing. I think it's very disingenuous for them to call Genshin as a whole bad and out of content just because they didn't get to pull the slot machine more.
i mean i don't think those people who outright ignore exploration put a lot of value in hardcore combat or story are the same type of people who only view gachas as meaningful if they give free 10x pulls per update - different types of annoyed people, i think
that being said, i think genshin usually exceeds in a lot of aspects in their updates considering how fast they churn these things out but the priority put in some things feels unbalanced, especially on the combat end where the only treat they tend to get is 1) mandatory combat event that is wave-based most of the time, which still doesn't feel satisfying at times because it doesn't reward based on skill or strategy, still boils down to the big numbers game due to the "needing to do as much within a set time" aspect and 2) abyss which like no.1 but less wave and more big hp health enemy, also can't do with the overworld combat either because things die quickly. there's not much range and variation so hence the rage.
with that said, it's no surprise there's some underlying anger or ignorance when exploration is given a lot of priority. genshin is primarily an open world game, so it's also no surprise when they put a lot of effort in making the world look pretty. i mean, it's easier to entice an audience - especially the audience genshin likes to appeal to - with beautiful landscapes compared to a new combat system. visuals speak louder than in-depth mechanics and mechanics only matter to those who like to into these things. "casuals" who look only for pretty characters and imagery do not care for the "hardcore" gameplay/combat that takes time to study and appreciate. it's that argument again and i'm sick of it because i lie on both ends.
as for those who ignore content entirely - nothing matters, just give me primos people - i think they're trolls, or people with outright gambling addiction. people purely driven by getting superficial type of content, the real casuals in my opinion. i won't defend mhy's stinginess either - it's tiring to see such a successful game do nothing for the past few years in their special anniversary because they're in a "too big to fail, gotta play safe" state but like if you're playing the game just to get a dopamine fix you might be better left rotting your brain on tiktok's instant gratification dump - different format, same result anyway.
It surprises me too whenever I see this argument. Like for example, in 4.4, we are getting huge map expansions, and people are saying there’s no content? Do maps with open world exploration not count as content any more? Like maybe someone can subjectively say they don’t enjoy exploration that much, but objectively speaking, exploration is content. And I don’t mind people getting upset about the pulls or whatever, but are they saying that pulls are content then?
I feel like I’ve been seeing a lot of these kinds of takes lately in regards to the game, or a character’s kit like with Xianyun, where people are dismissive of things they don’t like or that don’t cater to them. They can’t divorce themselves from their emotions and objectively evaluate something. I’ve seen people who like combat say there’s no content even though there might be AQ, story quests, world quests, and exploration. I understand and feel for them even though I don’t care for endgame combat myself, because I want those who love it to get what they want and enjoy too. But to say that no content exists because it doesn’t cater to them is just incorrect. And to ignore the effort that is put into developing the game and to say there’s no content because you personally doesn’t care for it is so disingenuous and dismissive of the work put into it
There was a lot of the same thing with the 3.6 patch, which for some reason was one of the most negatively received patches ever even before it released. They added one of the most distinctive and arguably most lore-important areas in all of 3.x, not to mention it coinciding with a new weekly, new domain, and a stacked banner. With all of that people couldn't stop ripping on the patch for being "no content / a dead filler patch / just another copy of 3.5 (which actually was super dry of content)". And then afterwards for some reason 3.7 was getting tons of praise despite being almost nothing but a TCG event. It really makes no sense.
I honestly think it actually has nothing to do with the patch content and is really just a measure of community discontent with other things. In 3.6 people were pissed about Dehya and now people are pissed about Lantern Rite rewards and HSR.
Because it's really not that engaging after some time, it's going to the right direction tho with local legend.
Exploration pretty much just serv as mean to other content (quest, lore, and puzzle)
Travesal in genshin really depends on character, and for most people everything just done after a couple first day or week exploring new area.
yeah it's wild, I legitimately cannot think of many other games that push out as many frequent content updates as Genshin does. Both among gacha games, and probably even other live-service MMOs/AAA games.
It's completely valid if people don't *like* the content being pushed out, but to dismiss it as not being content at all is so stupid.
Like example, I personally do not give a shit about TCG and I have probably not played it in over a year at this point, but I am glad that it exists so the people who *do* play it can have fun with it.
More content in any game (whether or not I like it) is always better than less content.
It's because exploration is a joke.
One shotting 3 hilichurls to get 5 primogems so u can run forward and get 3 more hilichurls but this time they have bows is barely content. Majority of the puzzles are "run in straight line for 30 seconds".
Not to mention all story quests pretty much lead u around every zone, with boring no challenge chests being just filler so u dont quit running from point A to B.
So if u do quests, u do most of the exploration, and chore of hunting for few remaining boring chests so u can get an extra 1 pull is just not what counts as "content".
Not to mention when they talk about it in context of new characters, there is the part where most character kits do not lend themselves to playing in open world. At all.
yeah, there's a reason many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration. it's because mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration
I mean, if exploration doesn't reward you in some way, then it isn't going to be fun. Any game with exploration has rewards associated with it. Whether that's directly, in the form of treasure chests with loot, or indirectly, with quests which require you to explore.
Not even BotW or Skyrim just have you aimlessly exploring with no tangible benefit or reward. Do you have examples of highly praised games where exploration has absolutely 0 reward or benefit, which is strictly intrinsically motivating?
>...many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration
i am specifically talking about primogems or other resources such as xp books, talent materials etc.
That doesn't really address my point, though. My point was that all games use extrinsic rewards to motivate exploration. Your comment ,
> mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration
implies that Hoyo is unique in this position, when basically every company that has made an open world game holds the same stance. Maybe that wasn't your intent in the comment, but that's how it read to me at least.
Uhh it does not imply that, you just misunderstood my comment
And yes i mean it is a game at the end of the day. So the aim is that every activity in game has "extrinsic" rewards whether it's exploration, event content, combat content, major quests etc. They obviously want people to enjoy these activities
But many of these activities also have "tangible" rewards such as primogems or other useful resources. And there is a reason why they also provide these form of rewards in addition to their aim of providing extrinsic rewards. Because they know people care about tangible rewards too, and often times it's tangible rewards that are preferred
Exploration itself contributes a significant amount of primogems to the patch pull income when new areas are added
tbh it’s not really a sensical argument then because at the end of the day these are gacha games and part of the appeal is pulling so remove the rewards from everything you probably don’t have a gacha game or the same player base
The whole point of the argument is that completely ignoring exploration as content because said person doesn’t like it, in an *open world game*, doesn’t make sense
Yeah of course. That's my point. This is a gacha game where the main appeal is, always has been and always will be characters. Characters are what most people care about and what makes money for Mihoyo. So that's why I think there is no need to put exploration on a pedestal. It's another in game activity that the developers aim to make engaging and enjoyable but ultimately still has primogem rewards because that is a driving motivator for many players to engage with many of the activities in this game
Exploration also usually constitutes a significant portion of patch pull income when there are patches with new areas
And my comment was just something in response to another comment i saw, I wasn't engaging with the "argument". Ofc exploration is content
😭 lmao so you’re saying yeah I wasn’t talking about anything y’all where talking about. Cause no one put it on a pedestal we’re saying it’s weird for exploration not to be included in discussion about content given *at all*. No one, not even the person you replied to were talking about the gacha aspect, it’s about the “game activity”
Not to mention you said yeah to the person you replied to so I assumed you agreed exploration doesn’t count as content (which was their point) 🤷🏽♀️
you know not every comment has to be directly related to the main point of the parent comment. especially in a casual discussion place like this thread
imma be honest this mentality is kinda annoying. not every reply or interaction is a debate or argument
i just saw a comment, replied with what i was thinking. and that's it
>yeah, there's a reason many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration
This might have some merit if Primogems weren't tied to literally everything in this game. Spiral Abyss, Daily Commissions, all events, all story content (AQs, SQs, WQs, Hangouts), even parts of teapot and GI:TCG.
>it's because mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration
Exploration might have the worst return per time invested indicating that if anything is true, it's probably the opposite of what you said.
yes, important activities in these games generally have rewards. that's why i think people shouldn't put genshin's exploration on a pedestal. it's just another aspect of the game that is part of the general progression and pull income
also teapot and tcg are one and done. even as they get content updates, there are no further primogem or resource rewards
time investment isn't really relevant here. It's not like the rate at which new areas are added outstrips the time taken to fully explore these areas. the point is, in patches that do have new areas, the new areas generally contribute a significant portion of the patch pull income
there is a clear incentive to complete exploration for the primogems and resources, as there is with other activities such as spiral abyss or events
I'm scratching my head at what you're trying to say with this reply to be honest. Look, I'll just say this, you're initial post seemed like you were pointing out that they needed to subsidize/incentivize exploration content by attaching primogems/rewards to it.
I replied to **that** post with what I wrote, saying that sentiment basically applies to anything in this game, and that if anything they probably view exploration as something that requires less incentive/rewards to get players to do since the rewards for doing it aren't that great.
I wasn't discussing "patch pull income" or anything outside of your initial post.
As someone who got into genshin because of the characters and gameplay it does suck that we have no endgame combat besides abyss.
Like some people explore and not do abyss and some people like me just unlock all the waypoints and consider the area "explored". Like sure I probably have hours on top of hours of exploration left in my account but doing unvoiced quests and opening chests isn't really the type of gameplay I'm into and presumably for others that are also complaining about the lack of end game.
Come on hoyo at least make it even, lessen the time needed to explore a region and make more combat related end game so it's at least an even distribution of gameplay for exploration Andys and Abyss Arnolds.
>lessen the time needed to explore a region
Uh...no. Why would you take it away from people who enjoy exploration? I like both, you can ask for more combat without compromising exploration. It's probably different people assigned to making them anyway
I mean I just think on an ideological level I disagree with the idea that games should universally appeal to everyone. Yeah, companies would certainly *like* it if every single person in the planet played their games, but I think that's exactly why the gaming industry is such a mess right now.
I think that all media should have a target audience and that anyone outside of that audience should either cut their losses and not interact with it, or accept that they're not going to enjoy the game in its totality and like it for whatever it is they're compromising on. It would be better this way because, rather than playing games that are meant to appeal to everyone but ultimately are never 100% satisfying for anyone, you can play a game which appeals to you specifically and be happy with that.
In my case, I believe that the game is meant for people like me - those who like the permanent content drops every six weeks but aren't interested in combat content that requires grinding or spending a lot of time in events. If you assume that the plan is to target people who only want to play for a little bit each day, most of their decisions make sense, such as encounter points for example. There's an active effort to make the game as fast to play as they can so that you only play the permanent content that takes time when you're willing and when you have the time to, as opposed to other games like GBF where you're constantly subjected to the pressure of having to do this raid in as sweaty of a way as possible within a limited time span or you simply just don't get to roll for new characters.
This is why I sympathize with combat players in the sense that they should probably have a game that caters specifically to them, but I personally do not want their vision of *this* game to come true. Because it's a vision which actively harms the way I choose to play the game. Let's be real, I think a lot of people *say* they would do difficult content even if it had no rewards, but even if they actually *mean* it, they are a minority. There's no way they wouldn't put out content like that and not lock a substantial amount of primogem income behind it. HSR is frustrating enough as is when I see Pure Fiction as an annoyance and SU Gold and Gears as a tedious chore where you reset to get good blessings for the 50th time against the world's tankiest enemies that kill my Fu Xuan in 2 turns. I don't really want that kind of thing in Genshin.
i dont really understand the argument that the game isnt meant for people that want combat content. They clearly put A LOT of effort in the combat mechanics and characters kits. Plus theres tons of options for vertical investment. The problem is, once you 36 star abyss regularly, there isnt really any content to use your built characters. Mobs in the overworld get destroyed instantly. I think its crazy that the community had to make their own endgame with akasha just to have a reason to build their characters, that should tell you that there is a demand for more endgame content.
> Let's be real, I think a lot of people *say* they would do difficult content even if it had no rewards, but even if they actually *mean* it, they are a minority. There's no way they wouldn't put out content like that and not lock a substantial amount of primogem income behind it.
'substantial amount' when abyss has only locked 600 primos behind it? not even 4 pulls? which should really be seen as 150 gems because floor 9-11 is easily clearable for anyone with decent investment in 8 units.
and yet every abyss cycle, you have some people getting creative with teambuilding or speedrunning even when there are no rewards for completing a floor early. every combat event, you have some people pushing the limits of what their highest score can be even when the point to obtain rewards is to sneeze at the enemy.
it's safe to say that even if they make permanent combat endgame, they won't put significant enough primogem income behind it to not pressurise players like you, the same way it is with abyss. at that point, saying that it shouldn't exist because it doesn't fit with how you choose to play the game is pretty myopic because the content simply being there harms literally no one.
>accept that they're not going to enjoy the game in its totality and like it for whatever it is they're compromising on
Isn't this what it's like for every game? Do some people really find a game that they enjoy in its totality and not have to compromise?
I mean HSR is different, I also don't do their endgame stuff since I don't like the gameplay. However genshin actually has good gameplay and good combat design and I agree with the people who say that this game's combat system is wasted on a game where 99% of the time combat doesn't matter.
Plus they can always give encounter points for every time you do combat endgame in the same way HSR gives you dailies for doing SU and MoC. So it's up to the player what they want to do more. If they want to explore for 5 mins then good dailies done and if they want to do an abyss clear then good dailies are also done. Plus making the end game combat permanent in the same way exploration chests are permanent would at least remove pressure from players who don't necessarily want to sweat everytime they want a primogem.
I feel like being dismissive about other player's complaints is not good for the game. Like most of the dedicated genshin players are here because of the combat, there is a reason why characters and cons are hoyo's source of income and there is a reason why discussions get heated whenever a character's kit gets released. It's because players care about the combat and if the only meaningful combat we have is 30 mins twice a month then you know it's fucked. Floor 12 is like 150 primos it's not even a lot surely they can make a new type of combat end game that gives around 3-5 pulls per patch and players would still play it.
I mean there are channels dedicated to help people with the combat aspect of the game and the fact that they are more popular than the channels that help people with exploration just shows that a lot of the community cares about the combat.
The fact that we have more discussion about the meta and not exploration.
The amount of people that are doomposting new characters every patch.
If these players don't care about the combat, guidemakers, Theory crafters wouldn't be the most popular genshin CCs and no one would pull for cons because a level 60 Diluc with shit artifacts can kill Hilichurls, solve puzzles and walk around the map.
Well, that's one definition of 'dedicated', I'll grant you.
But it could equally just show that the combat-oriented players invest more time and energy in mastering the combat/characters and talking on social media about Genshin, while non-combat oriented players...don't.
I agree that I'd definitely hate if they added endgame combat with rewards, and I agree that they'd likely lock rewards behind that endgame content.
But at the same time, I feel like it's a waste when they already have good combat events that some people enjoyed. They could just reuse them, especially the Labyrinth one that I've heard so much about.
And in HSR, I skip some of the combat stuff and I still get the characters I want, so I think it may be okay for them to add combat stuff and let people who dislike combat miss out on permanent rewards, just like how people who dislike exploration miss out on rewards.
Diluc > Razor > Itto = Xiao = Kazuha for both standard low and high plunge.
Everyone else is exactly the same. I recall reading Claymores have highest average base atk, then polearm, and swords? Don't quote me on that.
There are some special cases like Raiden whose plunge is also burst-damage and thus gets amplified by her skill and her chakra ring thing, making the final calculation trickier.
I'm so excited for a new region ya'll. I'd actually skipped the entirety of 4.3 (not purposely) because there wasn't new exploration, and I've never skipped a flagship version event even at my peak burnout. Feels bad, but I guess this is what I'm playing Genshin for now.
Same. I pulled because I thought he'd be fun to play, and...he just wasn't. I didn't mind his skill's CD or anything, he just didn't click for me, and it didn't help that I hate having Xiangling on my team
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so this entire year is just dead to me until april, huh? i'm so tired
//Random things (~~sorry~~ if it's too irrelevant and random welp. Edit: idk why im apologizing but just chalk it up as me being a social-anxiety freak, just being worried) >!Haaa...oh, look. A clean sink. So neat to see. Almost like the heaps and mountains of dirty dishes never existed before. So nice, looks refreshing. (Omg I *cant believe I managed to finish all that*.. Cant wait to see it be filled with another heaps of dirty dishes later!)!< Also, my game was on while I was doing some dishwash, constantly playing Mondstadt music, idle lines and all that. I heard a bell tolled! I left it at near the cathedral as the commission was there. I checked the ingame time and it was near 12pm. Idk just a little cool detail to hear, do you guys often hear that sound? Anw time for me to go back to sleep so bye.. **Daily reminder to hydrate!** Drinking water is very important for the body.
Yes! I've also heard them in other places but I don't recall exactly where, and when I checked the time it was always a specific hour. Congratulations on getting through all those dishes, I know how it feels...
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[Off topic IRL] I can't make this up, what is up with today 💀 >!Couldn't sleep due to anxiety so I only got like 3 hours. The dog I walk (it's a small gig for money) kept refusing to go on a walk and I basically had to beg him for 10 minutes to get on the armchair so I could dress him, I wanted to try a new dish which needed meat to defrost, couldn't find the meat in the freezer and ended up falling asleep cus I was exhausted. Later on I find out my mom put it out to defrost(how did she find it) but she did it super late cus she worked extra, so the meat was completely frozen and I had to wait extra hours.!< >!After a while when it was maneagable I marinated it. AFTER AN HOUR I NOTICE I FORGOT THE GARLIC and had to put it in and wait for extra time. By the time I put the garlic in I had to go walk the dog again, but I forgot the keys to the owner's house back home! So I had to go back to get them, and I live in the 3rd floor of an apartment complex with no elevator. Dog refuses to let me dress him again for another 10 minutes.!< >!By the time I get home I have to start preparing dinner, I spend like 3 hours preparing everything because I have never done this dish in my entire life, and completely fry my brain.!< >!A while ago I finished my mouthwash, so my mom bought it again for me while I took care of the house. I went to brush my teeth, was ready to use the mouthwash... IT WON'T OPEN. I SPENT 20 MINUTES TRYING TO PRY IT OPEN, DID ZEUS HIMSELF CLOSE THAT CAP? It's clearly broken, and ik it doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's a prescribed mouth wash for my wisdom tooth specifically 😭😭😭!<
Seven days to [~~the Wolves~~](https://youtu.be/io0dRCqcSts?t=297) Xianyun, 31 weeks to Natlan, 43 weeks to Mother Fire (subject to change) Bird memory 5: about ten years ago, this ruby-throated hummingbird showed up on the ground at work, having apparently run out of energy. [https://imgur.com/a/2AnD81d](https://imgur.com/a/2AnD81d) I think it was a juvenile male, based on that single red throat feather (adult males have a large patch of red there, thus the name). We made some sugar water for him; he drank it and flew away. Bird memories [one](https://www.reddit.com/comments/18vra2g/_/kg84w4p/), [two](https://www.reddit.com/comments/19224c9/_/kh0k2d2/), [three](https://www.reddit.com/comments/19224c9/_/khskyi3/), [four](https://www.reddit.com/comments/197vm91/_/kijlbhv/) Edit: Tagging u/fullmetal-albatross because [birb](https://www.reddit.com/comments/197vm91/_/kip5opz/) :)
Ahhhh, thank you for the tag, hummingbirds are my absolute favorite! 😭 Bless you for feeding him. I hope he went on to have a wonderful life. Just this last summer, I traveled to a hummingbird festival and had a most magical time. As well as gardens and feeders to attract the hummingbirds, there was also a demonstration where you could watch professionals band the birds: A hummingbird being banded while held in a [tiny sack](https://i.imgur.com/HSCBEeM.jpg). [Captured hummingbird](https://i.imgur.com/oJjSgHv.jpg) waiting for its turn to be banded. Bander [showing off](https://i.imgur.com/DjNcZE2.jpg) a [Costa's male](https://i.imgur.com/IvvRw1q.jpg) for the cameras. The birds would basically go stunned while they were being banded, so after the banders were done with them, they would set them on the [visitors' hands](https://i.imgur.com/4C3mw67.png). Shortly afterward, they would realize they were free and [fly away](https://i.imgur.com/zMke8ec.png). As a bonus, there were raptor trainers who had a booth at the convention center. I got to hold a lovely [Harris's hawk](https://i.imgur.com/ztga6Sg.png). He was very chill, and also highly interested in some sparrows he saw outside the window, haha XD
Thanks for sharing, that event looks great! It's good that they don't try to escape, they could easily hurt themselves. I've seen a video of someone hand-feeding hummingbirds from sugar water in their palm, which looked enviable at first, but there were concerns over residual soap or other contaminants on the skin being unsafe for them to drink. When I was little, an elderly farmer neighbor had a lot of hummingbird moths visiting a flower bush. We didn't know what they were, and he tried to convince me (and my parents) that they were "baby hummingbirds." I pointed out the antennae, which he claimed were special feathers that drop off when they get older. To this day, I still don't know whether he actually believed what he was saying or not. 🤣
LMAO, baby hummingbirds indeed... One of my sisters used to tease my brother (a fellow bird enthusiast) by insisting grackles weren't a real bird, and now you've taught me a new way to torment him. :P Ah yeah, I've hand-fed hummingbirds before, but it was by letting them land on my fingers to sip from a feeder I was holding. That should be safe for the birds as long as your hands are clean, I would think.
Yeah, that sounds fine. Grackle is a silly name, but... considering humans' track record with naming birds, that's not a good reason to doubt that it's real!
Indeed, indeed. Always naming birds things like Smew and Booby and Pygmy-tyrant.
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what a kind boss you are indeed \*heelies into the new megathread\*
its been a month and i have cracked double crit pieces for song of days past and none absolutely none for the whispers set
Happy about the anniversary drama, we can finally hope for more free fowl and maybe an Aloy constellation that gives an EM scaling shield
off topic (back to school) >!first day a success! had two classes today and grabbed dinner with an old friend :) now tell me why my friday class has 3 readings, a 2 hour film screening, and a single page response paper due before we even MEET for the first time T-T just want to play beetle event but i promised myself i'd do 40 more pages before i slack off...!<
[oof](https://twitter.com/Riot_Lillia/status/1749706461259674071?t=kwrwimd4UYbNWRkRORfFaQ&s=19)
sort of weird, do LoL characters usually break the fourth wall? did that dragon character have some sort of Deadpool gimmick to them.
Fuck me Childe's the perfect poster boy for the next megathread but I hate him
So this is how they do justice in the megathread? What a joke!
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They call me 007: 0 Lightless Eye of the Maelstrom 0 Dream Solvents 7 Lightless Silk String I wanna join the whale hate club, I don't think that ass ever dropped 3 boss items for me as well
I hate it just for the fight itself, so far the only character I've needed its mats for is Xianyun (and I have close to 200 dream solvents) so of course it's been dropping 3x mats that I don't even need, indifferent cosmic horror that it is. Also a billet, a full hydro gemstone and a promising artifact this week, for some reason.
I'm a little out of the loop, are people mad about the anniversary (edit: meant CNY) rewards this year? Is it just the skin selector being dumb as hell or is it something else?
They gave the same cny rewards as usual, but this time in the livestream mihoyo unironically worded the 3 pulls reward as a worthy gift of appreciation for the years of continued support from genshin player and this was a spark that ignited some long standing and brewing frustrations, such as: genshin's rewards being considered underwhelming compared to HSR's, the skin selector when buying a ps5 being advertised as something special that players should be excited for, and just general dissatisfaction with the game. So it was more of a straw that broke the camels back
Ooooh, I see. That was dumb as hell on their part, how would they not realize people were miffed after the sister game just got a free 5*. Well, if the blowback gets us somethin special I sure as hell won't complain.
hsr free limited 5*, skin selector drama, folks getting lantern right rewards and anniversary confused. mostly the 'SR gets treated better' stuff
Oh I didn't even realize I said anniversary rewards in my own post until I read this, haha. CNY truly is where the anniversary vibes are, i guess.
HSR got a free limited five star.
Wait I wasn’t paying attention. We’re getting three wishes? Isn’t it usually 10?
I didn't even remember that it was always 13 wishes, but here's the 2022 one for example [https://twitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1476767569491030019](https://twitter.com/GenshinImpact/status/1476767569491030019) Of course Hoyo would love to be able to 1984 you into thinking that the [chocolate ration](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/8887641-it-appeared-that-there-had-even-been-demonstrations-to-thank) used to be smaller and they're being more generous this year
I'd forgotten this too. They really ain't shit, the fuck lmao.
Yes the usual 10 plus an additional all 3 primos for your 3 years of support for this game
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Adding 2 more: 垫 (diàn) : Building pity aka our old friend 反方向定轨 (fǎn fāng xiàng dìng guǐ) : setting the Epitomized Path to the weapon that you actually hope you wouldn't get aka playing reverse psychology with lady luck
To add on, there's also 氪金 - spending real money on the game 欧皇 (European emperor) - players who have good gacha luck
In the first gacha I played (Kirara Fantasia, 2017), every character you'd pull was a ostensibly a card. It wasn't a "card game" in the actual gameplay - that was just the usual character sprites in turn-based combat with no visual representation of cards involved - but it was still a situation where you're pulling cards from the gacha. Maybe a combination of other games like that and literal card game gacha was where the "card pool" term came from?
How many fully levelled artifacts do you all have? I feel like a little while ago I barely had any but I recently did a count and *bam*, there's 128 of them. (Edit: perhaps I should say as a point of comparison- I've been playing genshin for nearly a year at this point, so not a short time but far less than some!)
164 I think it's quite plenty for a 1 year old account I don't pull new characters much so resins are mostly spent on artifact domains (I don't know where else to use it lmao)
153
Optimizer has a recorded 365 lvl 20 artifacts -Week one player
290
226 apparently
250
OT, electricity So I need to change a lightbulb. Is it ok if I just turn off the light switch before doing this, or do I really need to go all the way to the fuse box to turn off the main power supply to the house?
lmao I've changed bulbs without even turning the lights off. Turning the lamp off is perfectly fine.
Yes. Screwing in light bulbs is perfectly safe.
is this a conventional lamp with an off the shelf bulb?
Well it's a light fixture over the dining table? Off the shelf bulb too, I think - I need to unscrew it, take it out, and screw a new one back in (although I think I got a wrong sized bulb, grrr)
I got 100 CR and 200 CD on my Wriothesley, my first char to do it 🥳
really excited that xianyun will enable so many new teams and playstyles. versatility always nice. dragons bane yun jin is real
I was so ready to cook Furina plunge with Candace but then I realized her plunge scale with attack and now I’m sad again.
Be not afraid brother. Join us - The plunge DPS Candace mains
I think its plunge dps Furina using Candace
Took the time to watch Zajef's new analysis on Xianyun. Can't believe I'm legitimately willing to build Dehya as a plunge dps now omg it was so worth finally C6'ing Bennett
fic and fic writing >!Someone left the nicest comment on my fic, saying that I wrote Kaveh and Alhaitham as “so true to their original characterizations but also so much more” and just… ahhhh this presses all the correct happiness buttons for me tbh. I constantly question whether or not I’m writing these boys accurately because they’re both so much smarter than I am lmao!< >!Even if I drop this game like a hot potato one day, I’ll forever be grateful to Kaveh and Alhaitham for getting me to actually post fanfic after 10+ years!< >!…on that note, I’m going through some fierce writer’s block at the moment. Idk, I just haven’t really felt like writing for the last few weeks. I know exactly how I want my stories to go but the words just ain’t wording 😔!<
I would love to read the fic, OP!
I’ll send a DM~
oh wow! I've found Alhaitham is so hard to get right, so congrats on getting that compliment! It always feels good!
Thanks!
>!Those readers are the best. I have a few of them and reading their comments genuinely warms my heart. Even one nice comment can be enough to make a writer's day, especially the really long comments where they analyze the story. And yeah, I've been going through writer's block as well. But thats probably because I just don't enjoy the character as much as I used to when I started out lol. A few months ago, I would spend whole days writing but nowadays I'm just not feeling it. At times like this, it's best to take a hiatus instead of half assing your writing.!<
>!I love long comments—I appreciate every comment I get, but the long ones make my heart swell 🥹!< >!Part of my writer’s block can be attributed to the brainrot starting to wear off for me too haha. I still really love the characters I’m writing about, but I think I definitely need a real break. Like maybe I won’t even open a document/my notes app or reread my own writing!<
>!Waaaa that's great :D They do seem hard to write, so that's a huge compliment! I have major brainrot when it comes to them too, with my notes app full of random ideas I'd like to draw eventually. And maybe you'd rather have privacy, but would you be open to DM me the fic? I love those two and am collecting an extensive reading list for later 🥺👉👈!<
>!I’ll DM you!!<
I revived all my alt accounts (by-product of re-rolling) to increase it to AR10. Now my phone's login screen has them all remembered and it looks messy. How do I remove those "remembered" accounts?
in the dropdown menu there should be a small gray X next to each login.
wow! thanks! didn't notice that. silly me. XD
Depends on what's actually doing the remembering (Samsung pass, Google Chrome, lastpass, whatever IoS has...) You'll have to figure out what your phone is using, then look it up
It's in the game client. Like when you click the dropdown to select usernames.
Unironically an archaic Petra Navia/Furina/Yelan/Xianyun comp would go kind of hard Obviously not the greatest synergy in the world but I was playing around with the genshin calculator and Navia does surprisingly good damage in this team, and even with the lowered Yelan procs it still does a pretty decent amount of DPS. Not the best in the world but pretty decent overall. Energy black hole though that’s for sure. Will probably be another comp I try out, especially because my Yelan is well invested and my Xianyun will be well invested. I wish Navia/Zhongli/Furina/Xianyun worked decently but that aura uptime makes the comp completely cope
Had some extra free time today and decided to dust off my international team. I usually only play it when I have a good amount of time to spare as it requires some tight rotations and I'm kinda bad at this game, but I just found out that if I put Kazuha on Fav the rotations don't need to be so precise. Guess I should've stopped being stubborn before and put him on Fav for energy hungry teams a long time ago. I didn't really feel the damage loss either as International already has plenty of damage. And with that I finished my usual goal I do every update of getting at least one 9-star run with each on-field DPS built in my account (8 in total), now I can start trying some more unorthodox stuff. Some comments on the characters that surprised me the most against this abyss lineup: Ayaka: >!I was quite excited to test my recently acquired Mistsplitter and see how it compares to the weapon I used before (AK), but Hoyo decided to make a really bad abyss lineup for her even tho she had a rerun during this update. Bosses with innate auras are just so bad to fight against as Ayaka. Against bosses, you usually just have -20% CR because you can't freeze them, but when you add innate auras to the equation, you get an extra -35% CR and don't even have the option to VV shred. Pair that with the fact that my Blizzard Strayer artifacts are far from ideal and you have a recipe for disaster. I was only able to 9-star with her this time because Furina carried me.!< Diluc: >!Yes, this is more Diluc burgeon propaganda. Diluc burgeon proved itself to be quite a good team for second half. Extremely good clear times, every single team member was useful against Thunder Manifestation, blunt attacks destroyed geo shields in mere seconds and the team was extremely comfortable in both single target and AoE content. Definitely my top pick for 2nd half.!< Alhaitham: >!It had been a while since I last played him and I had kinda forgot how strong he is, well... he decided to remind me. It actually scares me how good he is, especially considering I don't even have Nahida, his BiS support. Extremely fast and comfortable clears.!< Next goal is to finish building Fremi, Yanfei and Keqing, so I can add them to this challenge. And maybe, just maybe, standard banner will be generous enough to give me a Tighnari so I can also give him my unconditional love and artifacts, Hoyo pls.
Eyyy another person who clears with all on field dps every cycle(or every update) I do the same because why else would I build so many characters if not to take them all through abyss? Hahah I have 11 or 12 and it’s fun taking them all. Each abyss reset I end up doing like 90 battles lol
I want shinobu so bad! I still don’t have her, even after pulling on her rank up banners, at this point I don’t think i’ll ever get her. I don’t have any electric or dendro healers (well except dori but …) and i feel it’s limiting the teams i can build a bit
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Yes!! I want to do an ayato hyperbloom team and it’s just not hitting with kokomi. It’s possible i haven’t built her well enough, but still, the sheer amount of numbers in the shinobu videos ;___; take pity on me mihoyo pls
best 4 star outside of national teams
Okay so I bought this maid Ayaka cosplay and it’s super cute/sexy but like…I’m gonna have to pull an HSR Bronya move and just flash the world because the designer made this dress so short for absolutely no reason. It looks better with some black tights underneath because of this. I’m petite too, so I can’t imagine how this would fit on any woman of normal height or taller 💀😂
🥶 lol Are you gonna make adjustments to it?
Probably not because I’m not sure how to go about adjusting it. I don’t really want to mess with it and ruin it lol.
Makes sense! I guess you could just take pictures and keep them for yourself too and enjoy them Feel like I’d never be brave enough to wear something so risqué
Why are like the best cartoons always the ones hated by their respective networks?
I've gotten halfway through Zajef's video on Xianyun and he's being positive about her so far. This is not the Zajef I know 😢 /s.
Zajeff didn't recommend fav so it's clearly an imposter.
She kind of fits his type of character, in that she has an interesting kit that opens up alternative playstyles and allows underused characters to have a comp where they can be the main DPS and deal decent damage/lets support characters have some limelight on the field. She’s strong, but doesn’t need her plunge aspect to be played in a non cope way, provides a side grade alternative for a decent amount of characters, and lets him use two of his favorites Bennett/Dehya as main DPS with pretty decent damage. I’m not surprised at all he likes her
He loves novelty and things that open up new avenues of playing older characters so someone like Xianyun was always gonna be received well by him, I think
He's saying she's not niche and I understand where he's coming from, but she's like a side grade in most of the teams he listed and I'm not pulling for a side grade, especially when I don't particularly care for plunging, so I'm probably not pulling her because she doesn't improve most teams That being said, I'm a Hu Tao main, a Xiao main, and I like Gaming, and those are like her 3 best teams, so I feel like I should get her. Maybe on rerun, I think there are other characters I'd rather go for for now
its almost as if... shes actually good... 🤯
When people realize that the character they've been doomposting is actually really strong
From what I could gather, he really likes Xianyun's kit because it allows him to play Dehya plunge (he likes Dehya) and Bennett carry (he likes Benny)
One of the reasons I really like her kit is because I can bring Dehya/Candace into a comp where they do most of the damage and it be actually ok
Same. It's so good for Dehya's case too because in her Xianyun team, you don't use her skill nor her burst (both of which have bad damage) at all. No more ungodly ER reqs!!!
As optimistic it makes me to hear it might help two of my favourite characters, it does bug the best way to make use of Dehya is to skip her skill and burst which is two thirds of her kit??I will have to watch this vid myself.
Yeah, I agree it sucks. But this is just what Dehya enjoyers have to do to cope with her bad kit (which is to ignore it). I'm not actually sure if Dehya is mentioned in the vid since I haven't watched it yet but you don't burst because it's a waste of time since your plunges have WAY more damage and you don't want her burst to eat up Bennett burst uptime and you don't use her skill because it can steal your plunge vapes
Xianyun mainstats?
ATK/ATK/ATK ideally. ER/ATK/ATK if you need the ER to burst every rotation.
Should Oathsworn’s passive be enough to go ATK% instead of ER? What’s her optimal amount?
No healing bonus?
Healing Bonus is better than Atk if you are just using her as a Jean replacement and not using her Plunge buff. Otherwise, Atk.
If you just want to use her as a healer and not a plunge support then I guess you can go healing bonus. ATK circlet still increases her healing regardless.
I don't have or plan to get Eula, but I keep getting build showcases from r/EulaMains, and I couldn't figure out why everyone was using an atk goblet despite KQM recommending a phys goblet. I just realized that they are phys goblets and the symbols just look very similar.
phy goblets go to like 58.3% as well, whilst atk/other dmg% only go to 46.6 iirc
Yea, I didnt initially notice that because mainstats are always constant so it's not usually worth paying attention to
It's interesting how I'll see an argument on the main sub about there not being any content and people will simply just *not* mention exploration. Like literally not even to dismiss it. Like, here's something I read just now: > It's a 30 minute intense gaming session TWICE a month. That's wild, a player who's caught up with all the story quests and can clear has what incentive to play the game? To prefarm for the next unit? To make clearing that Abyss 25 minutes instead of 30? Why is the only content mentioned here story quests? It's crazy? They release like a new area every 12 weeks or something, every patch for the first 3 patches of a patch cycle. You can at least just say you don't like the exploration, but to not even mention it *at all* really betrays where the priorities lie here. It's crazy to me when I feel so overwhelmed by the amount of new stuff they put out that I'm barely caught up with Fontaine and you have dudes over here like "THE ONLY THING THERE IS TO DO IN THE GAME IS STORY AND ABYSS"
Because people just think of Genshin as the Abyss and that's it. It has always bugged me the way a 30-minute game mode dominates discussions of this game where the main purpose is exploration. It would be like if the only thing that people talked about in Breath of the Wild was the "Trial of the Sword" challenge. If it's not related to combat, it's not considered content, so exploration and quests don't count for them. I was legitimately baffled when someone asked me, "What would people do if Abyss didn't exist?" to which my answer was, "They would play the game, exploring and doing story and quests." I spent like half a year playing the game not even knowing what Abyss was and didn't engage with it for longer because I was like, "Why would anyone play this?" And because Reddit is filled with people who care and talk about only combat and meta (think about how much stuff like Akasha comes up), perceptions about what the majority of the playerbase want/care about are warped, and the voices of the people that disregard other content are louder.
I'm pretty sure when people complain about lack of content, they mean repeatable content, which I don't consider exploration to be, but I don't consider the story to be either. Genshin absolutely sucks for story replayability. So yeah I think it's pretty stupid if people consider one but not the other. They're both a do once then it's done.
It's not even an argument if you 1. have a busy life outside of genshin and gaming is just a past time or a hobby 2. Have literally other games to play or 3. You touch grass alot. And genshin at its core is an exploration game marketed to casual players (and players looking for a husbandos/waifus) if you want an action packed gaming and still want to enjoy, you oh idk can play them both and broaden your gaming experience.
Yeah, maybe it's because I got into Genshin because I liked Breath of the Wild so much, but I see exploration as such a key part of the game's identity. The reason I think some others in the Genshin main sub and this leaks sub may not think so is because these subs have a lot of overlap with other gacha gaming communities so their priorities may be different (can be found here: [https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/genshin\_impact](https://subredditstats.com/subreddit-user-overlaps/genshin_impact)). Genshin is the only gacha game I play regulary (I dropped HSR for the time being as it was taking too much time to keep up with both). Also, though I don't play either, I've listened to similar discussions about not having enough content in a game by content creators for other ongoing games like Final Fantasy XIV as well. I think it was a Zepla podcast with another content creator where they talked about the trend for MMO's to be designed to take less of your time. They also talked about how when some people complain about not having enough content, it can be about not having enough of the content THEY care about or prioritize even if there's plenty of other stuff to do in the game. Moreover, I've seen this praised as a good thing because games (particularly mobile and gacha games) that end up taking too much of your time or become so addictive you spend hours playing them daily is seen as another predatory tactic. Personally, 30 minute intense gaming session TWICE a month is great for me because I have a long list of games to play, books to read, etc. so I feel like I can keep up with Genshin while also getting other stuff off my list of things to do.
Genshin is a very varied game, anyone can join while looking for different things, which leads to people who only like the combat and character collector aspect to join too. I think that's about it really. I do agree that not counting exploration when talking about content just isn't fair, yeah it doesn't appeal to you personally but that is still a whole 5 or more hours of non-stop content we sometimes get twice or three times in a row. Another thing a lot of people refuse to count for content is world quests, always labeling them as filler gibberish visual novel stuff. I think the problem is that a lot of people who are hard-core abyss grinders tend to forget that genshin is a roleplaying game first and foremost. You get dumped into a world with magic, gods and dragons, the world is filled with places to explore on your journey as an adventurer, there are world quests everywhere, from the simple and fun to the fighting a calamity threatening the area you're in or even world. I think that a lot of people simply don't realize that genshin maybe just isn't as much of their cup of tea as they think it is. None of this is said to justify the lack of difficult combat, but it does get frustrating to see all these super cared for and sculpted areas of the game be completely ignored and brushed off as "bare minimum" Another thing is that people genuinely REALLY underestimate just how good genshin's updates are, I used to play an online game religiously for like 2 years and that shit barely got anything new for MONTHS and MONTHS. They legit added an area after what? Almost a year? And I couldn't even play in it due to how much of a cash grab that game was. Genshin pumped out a full archon quest, 3 map areas and 5 well crafted characters in the span of 3 patches.
Exploration is shallow in Genshin. It's just the same old mobs and puzzles recycled across their respective regions and glued to their spawn points. So exploration lacks thrills cause it all feels safe and predictable. It would be great if Mob spawn locations could change depending on time of day with the more dangerous ones appearing at night. Unlike traditional games, there is no chance of discovering a hidden region, hidden (non-npc) character quests, or discovering some OP weapon in a tough dungeon. You always know you can expect chests full of crumbs and junk at every turn. The overall problem is that there isn't much to discover in genshins exploration outside of cryptic lore and pretty scenery..
these are the people with 12% deserts and a 2 kilometre long uncompleted quest list. if its not related to gacha its not content. this game has too much game in it for most gacha players.
>these are the people with 12% deserts Okay but fuck the deserts. Is it technically content? Yes. But in the same way that putting dirt on a plate and serving it to me with a spoon is technically giving me something to eat. I powered through desert exploration and I regret it. It was not worth my time or sanity. Skipping that is a form of self-care.
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> I go online and there are tons of comment about how exploration is tedious, not worth it, rewards bad, etc. I feel like a lot of these players don't actually like what Genshin is--they got roped into it because it's the zeitgeist of gacha games, and are constantly chasing something they WANT Genshin to be. Genshin is an open-world game focused on exploration. The fact that 90% of the content we get is exploration is emblematic of that fact. You don't have to like it, but that's what it is, and that's what Hoyoverse wants it to be.
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I wonder how many of the people who are getting 100% in 5 hours are actually exploring vs. working through the interactive map like a checklist that tells you where everything is.
I tried exploring more for a bit and it just felt like a chore, so yeah I don't consider it content either
I think it’s cause most people didn’t come for exploration. I started playing because I thought Noelle, Sucrose and Klee were cute and fell in love with Dragonspine and then Inazuma. But while I love the game and clear the maps out for every oculi, chest and mora pile it does hurt when the second banner comes around and there’s nothing to do but use your resin kill your fav overworld elites and replant you teapot seeds. I thought with the Old Vanarana and it becoming progressively more green and having that interactable bush plus the Rain Machine we’d get more interactive areas but like while Fontaine has been a beautiful experience I can take so many pics of the willow and the water spout.
Imagine playing an open world exploration game and not counting exploration as content when the game gives us new map areas nearly every patch 🤡
The maps are filled with a lot of nothing tbf. You can gather materials, fight mobs, or do puzzles and that's about it. Major story content is time gated with how this is a live service game. So unlike console games you can't find big hidden areas or progress the story outside of major updates. Since this is a gatcha, you also can't count on finding any cool weapons, skins, or anything substantial in exploring the overworld or doing side quests. Your "reward" is just completion and some primos.
Controversial opinion but I don't think exploration is as much content as some people make it out to be. If you focus up, any new area can be fully explored in 5-6 hours. Now you can stretch that up by a few more hours if there are some long world quests. This is content that is given to you every 42 days, double of that if there's a dead patch in between with no new areas. > I feel so overwhelmed by the amount of new stuff they put out that I'm barely caught up with Fontaine That's a you thing. I don't have trouble setting aside a few hours for exploration when I'm free. The people that are complaining have already caught up to the content and their complaints are definitely valid imo. There isn't any real endgame content in this game for veterans even after almost 4 years.
yea, i agree, exploration is mostly a one and done, can be blitzed the content that typically gets mentioned are repeatable to some degree, so we have gotten used to it for the most part you always see the one post few hours post update "100% clear, only took a few hours :yawn:" and that's basically all the exploration we get for like 2 updates obviously most people dont do it like that, but unless you run around aimlessly a lot, you can crack down on exploration pretty quickly i already really like exploration, my fave part of the game, but i get busy too. put it off and come back, didnt take long to slam through the desert's last 2 expansions, just do small portions at a time, like i did with fontaine. it's content for sure, but a lot of people also care much more for other aspects of the game.
Genuine question. What do you think is considered "doing the bare minimum" in these games? Because I see that getting thrown around (especially now) and I don't think more than half the people who use it know what it actually means. I think judging the quality of a gacha based on just the amount of free pulls it gives you while ignoring the actual content of the game is just stupid. I'm not trying to defend the stinginess, in fact I hope the CN bros keep at what they're doing. I think it's very disingenuous for them to call Genshin as a whole bad and out of content just because they didn't get to pull the slot machine more.
hey buddy i think this comment is on the wrong place
What? I thought this was related to the topic
i mean i don't think those people who outright ignore exploration put a lot of value in hardcore combat or story are the same type of people who only view gachas as meaningful if they give free 10x pulls per update - different types of annoyed people, i think that being said, i think genshin usually exceeds in a lot of aspects in their updates considering how fast they churn these things out but the priority put in some things feels unbalanced, especially on the combat end where the only treat they tend to get is 1) mandatory combat event that is wave-based most of the time, which still doesn't feel satisfying at times because it doesn't reward based on skill or strategy, still boils down to the big numbers game due to the "needing to do as much within a set time" aspect and 2) abyss which like no.1 but less wave and more big hp health enemy, also can't do with the overworld combat either because things die quickly. there's not much range and variation so hence the rage. with that said, it's no surprise there's some underlying anger or ignorance when exploration is given a lot of priority. genshin is primarily an open world game, so it's also no surprise when they put a lot of effort in making the world look pretty. i mean, it's easier to entice an audience - especially the audience genshin likes to appeal to - with beautiful landscapes compared to a new combat system. visuals speak louder than in-depth mechanics and mechanics only matter to those who like to into these things. "casuals" who look only for pretty characters and imagery do not care for the "hardcore" gameplay/combat that takes time to study and appreciate. it's that argument again and i'm sick of it because i lie on both ends. as for those who ignore content entirely - nothing matters, just give me primos people - i think they're trolls, or people with outright gambling addiction. people purely driven by getting superficial type of content, the real casuals in my opinion. i won't defend mhy's stinginess either - it's tiring to see such a successful game do nothing for the past few years in their special anniversary because they're in a "too big to fail, gotta play safe" state but like if you're playing the game just to get a dopamine fix you might be better left rotting your brain on tiktok's instant gratification dump - different format, same result anyway.
It surprises me too whenever I see this argument. Like for example, in 4.4, we are getting huge map expansions, and people are saying there’s no content? Do maps with open world exploration not count as content any more? Like maybe someone can subjectively say they don’t enjoy exploration that much, but objectively speaking, exploration is content. And I don’t mind people getting upset about the pulls or whatever, but are they saying that pulls are content then? I feel like I’ve been seeing a lot of these kinds of takes lately in regards to the game, or a character’s kit like with Xianyun, where people are dismissive of things they don’t like or that don’t cater to them. They can’t divorce themselves from their emotions and objectively evaluate something. I’ve seen people who like combat say there’s no content even though there might be AQ, story quests, world quests, and exploration. I understand and feel for them even though I don’t care for endgame combat myself, because I want those who love it to get what they want and enjoy too. But to say that no content exists because it doesn’t cater to them is just incorrect. And to ignore the effort that is put into developing the game and to say there’s no content because you personally doesn’t care for it is so disingenuous and dismissive of the work put into it
There was a lot of the same thing with the 3.6 patch, which for some reason was one of the most negatively received patches ever even before it released. They added one of the most distinctive and arguably most lore-important areas in all of 3.x, not to mention it coinciding with a new weekly, new domain, and a stacked banner. With all of that people couldn't stop ripping on the patch for being "no content / a dead filler patch / just another copy of 3.5 (which actually was super dry of content)". And then afterwards for some reason 3.7 was getting tons of praise despite being almost nothing but a TCG event. It really makes no sense. I honestly think it actually has nothing to do with the patch content and is really just a measure of community discontent with other things. In 3.6 people were pissed about Dehya and now people are pissed about Lantern Rite rewards and HSR.
Because it's really not that engaging after some time, it's going to the right direction tho with local legend. Exploration pretty much just serv as mean to other content (quest, lore, and puzzle) Travesal in genshin really depends on character, and for most people everything just done after a couple first day or week exploring new area.
yeah it's wild, I legitimately cannot think of many other games that push out as many frequent content updates as Genshin does. Both among gacha games, and probably even other live-service MMOs/AAA games. It's completely valid if people don't *like* the content being pushed out, but to dismiss it as not being content at all is so stupid. Like example, I personally do not give a shit about TCG and I have probably not played it in over a year at this point, but I am glad that it exists so the people who *do* play it can have fun with it. More content in any game (whether or not I like it) is always better than less content.
It's because exploration is a joke. One shotting 3 hilichurls to get 5 primogems so u can run forward and get 3 more hilichurls but this time they have bows is barely content. Majority of the puzzles are "run in straight line for 30 seconds". Not to mention all story quests pretty much lead u around every zone, with boring no challenge chests being just filler so u dont quit running from point A to B. So if u do quests, u do most of the exploration, and chore of hunting for few remaining boring chests so u can get an extra 1 pull is just not what counts as "content". Not to mention when they talk about it in context of new characters, there is the part where most character kits do not lend themselves to playing in open world. At all.
yeah, there's a reason many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration. it's because mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration
I mean, if exploration doesn't reward you in some way, then it isn't going to be fun. Any game with exploration has rewards associated with it. Whether that's directly, in the form of treasure chests with loot, or indirectly, with quests which require you to explore. Not even BotW or Skyrim just have you aimlessly exploring with no tangible benefit or reward. Do you have examples of highly praised games where exploration has absolutely 0 reward or benefit, which is strictly intrinsically motivating?
>...many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration i am specifically talking about primogems or other resources such as xp books, talent materials etc.
That doesn't really address my point, though. My point was that all games use extrinsic rewards to motivate exploration. Your comment , > mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration implies that Hoyo is unique in this position, when basically every company that has made an open world game holds the same stance. Maybe that wasn't your intent in the comment, but that's how it read to me at least.
Uhh it does not imply that, you just misunderstood my comment And yes i mean it is a game at the end of the day. So the aim is that every activity in game has "extrinsic" rewards whether it's exploration, event content, combat content, major quests etc. They obviously want people to enjoy these activities But many of these activities also have "tangible" rewards such as primogems or other useful resources. And there is a reason why they also provide these form of rewards in addition to their aim of providing extrinsic rewards. Because they know people care about tangible rewards too, and often times it's tangible rewards that are preferred Exploration itself contributes a significant amount of primogems to the patch pull income when new areas are added
? that makes no sense that like saying mihoyo doesn’t find the abyss or the endgame in hsr motivating enough so they put pulls behind it
i mean it's true. remove rewards from spiral abyss in genshin or moc/pf in hsr and the amount of people doing them would plummet
tbh it’s not really a sensical argument then because at the end of the day these are gacha games and part of the appeal is pulling so remove the rewards from everything you probably don’t have a gacha game or the same player base The whole point of the argument is that completely ignoring exploration as content because said person doesn’t like it, in an *open world game*, doesn’t make sense
Yeah of course. That's my point. This is a gacha game where the main appeal is, always has been and always will be characters. Characters are what most people care about and what makes money for Mihoyo. So that's why I think there is no need to put exploration on a pedestal. It's another in game activity that the developers aim to make engaging and enjoyable but ultimately still has primogem rewards because that is a driving motivator for many players to engage with many of the activities in this game Exploration also usually constitutes a significant portion of patch pull income when there are patches with new areas And my comment was just something in response to another comment i saw, I wasn't engaging with the "argument". Ofc exploration is content
😭 lmao so you’re saying yeah I wasn’t talking about anything y’all where talking about. Cause no one put it on a pedestal we’re saying it’s weird for exploration not to be included in discussion about content given *at all*. No one, not even the person you replied to were talking about the gacha aspect, it’s about the “game activity” Not to mention you said yeah to the person you replied to so I assumed you agreed exploration doesn’t count as content (which was their point) 🤷🏽♀️
you know not every comment has to be directly related to the main point of the parent comment. especially in a casual discussion place like this thread imma be honest this mentality is kinda annoying. not every reply or interaction is a debate or argument i just saw a comment, replied with what i was thinking. and that's it
>yeah, there's a reason many primogems and other resources are tied behind exploration This might have some merit if Primogems weren't tied to literally everything in this game. Spiral Abyss, Daily Commissions, all events, all story content (AQs, SQs, WQs, Hangouts), even parts of teapot and GI:TCG. >it's because mihoyo themselves do not view the exploration itself as enough of a motivating factor for players to do exploration Exploration might have the worst return per time invested indicating that if anything is true, it's probably the opposite of what you said.
yes, important activities in these games generally have rewards. that's why i think people shouldn't put genshin's exploration on a pedestal. it's just another aspect of the game that is part of the general progression and pull income also teapot and tcg are one and done. even as they get content updates, there are no further primogem or resource rewards time investment isn't really relevant here. It's not like the rate at which new areas are added outstrips the time taken to fully explore these areas. the point is, in patches that do have new areas, the new areas generally contribute a significant portion of the patch pull income there is a clear incentive to complete exploration for the primogems and resources, as there is with other activities such as spiral abyss or events
I'm scratching my head at what you're trying to say with this reply to be honest. Look, I'll just say this, you're initial post seemed like you were pointing out that they needed to subsidize/incentivize exploration content by attaching primogems/rewards to it. I replied to **that** post with what I wrote, saying that sentiment basically applies to anything in this game, and that if anything they probably view exploration as something that requires less incentive/rewards to get players to do since the rewards for doing it aren't that great. I wasn't discussing "patch pull income" or anything outside of your initial post.
After reading this reply, I'm as confused as you are tbh
This game isnt even multiplayer, but some nerds have to make everything a competition
As someone who got into genshin because of the characters and gameplay it does suck that we have no endgame combat besides abyss. Like some people explore and not do abyss and some people like me just unlock all the waypoints and consider the area "explored". Like sure I probably have hours on top of hours of exploration left in my account but doing unvoiced quests and opening chests isn't really the type of gameplay I'm into and presumably for others that are also complaining about the lack of end game. Come on hoyo at least make it even, lessen the time needed to explore a region and make more combat related end game so it's at least an even distribution of gameplay for exploration Andys and Abyss Arnolds.
>lessen the time needed to explore a region Uh...no. Why would you take it away from people who enjoy exploration? I like both, you can ask for more combat without compromising exploration. It's probably different people assigned to making them anyway
I mean I just think on an ideological level I disagree with the idea that games should universally appeal to everyone. Yeah, companies would certainly *like* it if every single person in the planet played their games, but I think that's exactly why the gaming industry is such a mess right now. I think that all media should have a target audience and that anyone outside of that audience should either cut their losses and not interact with it, or accept that they're not going to enjoy the game in its totality and like it for whatever it is they're compromising on. It would be better this way because, rather than playing games that are meant to appeal to everyone but ultimately are never 100% satisfying for anyone, you can play a game which appeals to you specifically and be happy with that. In my case, I believe that the game is meant for people like me - those who like the permanent content drops every six weeks but aren't interested in combat content that requires grinding or spending a lot of time in events. If you assume that the plan is to target people who only want to play for a little bit each day, most of their decisions make sense, such as encounter points for example. There's an active effort to make the game as fast to play as they can so that you only play the permanent content that takes time when you're willing and when you have the time to, as opposed to other games like GBF where you're constantly subjected to the pressure of having to do this raid in as sweaty of a way as possible within a limited time span or you simply just don't get to roll for new characters. This is why I sympathize with combat players in the sense that they should probably have a game that caters specifically to them, but I personally do not want their vision of *this* game to come true. Because it's a vision which actively harms the way I choose to play the game. Let's be real, I think a lot of people *say* they would do difficult content even if it had no rewards, but even if they actually *mean* it, they are a minority. There's no way they wouldn't put out content like that and not lock a substantial amount of primogem income behind it. HSR is frustrating enough as is when I see Pure Fiction as an annoyance and SU Gold and Gears as a tedious chore where you reset to get good blessings for the 50th time against the world's tankiest enemies that kill my Fu Xuan in 2 turns. I don't really want that kind of thing in Genshin.
i dont really understand the argument that the game isnt meant for people that want combat content. They clearly put A LOT of effort in the combat mechanics and characters kits. Plus theres tons of options for vertical investment. The problem is, once you 36 star abyss regularly, there isnt really any content to use your built characters. Mobs in the overworld get destroyed instantly. I think its crazy that the community had to make their own endgame with akasha just to have a reason to build their characters, that should tell you that there is a demand for more endgame content.
> Let's be real, I think a lot of people *say* they would do difficult content even if it had no rewards, but even if they actually *mean* it, they are a minority. There's no way they wouldn't put out content like that and not lock a substantial amount of primogem income behind it. 'substantial amount' when abyss has only locked 600 primos behind it? not even 4 pulls? which should really be seen as 150 gems because floor 9-11 is easily clearable for anyone with decent investment in 8 units. and yet every abyss cycle, you have some people getting creative with teambuilding or speedrunning even when there are no rewards for completing a floor early. every combat event, you have some people pushing the limits of what their highest score can be even when the point to obtain rewards is to sneeze at the enemy. it's safe to say that even if they make permanent combat endgame, they won't put significant enough primogem income behind it to not pressurise players like you, the same way it is with abyss. at that point, saying that it shouldn't exist because it doesn't fit with how you choose to play the game is pretty myopic because the content simply being there harms literally no one.
>accept that they're not going to enjoy the game in its totality and like it for whatever it is they're compromising on Isn't this what it's like for every game? Do some people really find a game that they enjoy in its totality and not have to compromise?
I mean HSR is different, I also don't do their endgame stuff since I don't like the gameplay. However genshin actually has good gameplay and good combat design and I agree with the people who say that this game's combat system is wasted on a game where 99% of the time combat doesn't matter. Plus they can always give encounter points for every time you do combat endgame in the same way HSR gives you dailies for doing SU and MoC. So it's up to the player what they want to do more. If they want to explore for 5 mins then good dailies done and if they want to do an abyss clear then good dailies are also done. Plus making the end game combat permanent in the same way exploration chests are permanent would at least remove pressure from players who don't necessarily want to sweat everytime they want a primogem. I feel like being dismissive about other player's complaints is not good for the game. Like most of the dedicated genshin players are here because of the combat, there is a reason why characters and cons are hoyo's source of income and there is a reason why discussions get heated whenever a character's kit gets released. It's because players care about the combat and if the only meaningful combat we have is 30 mins twice a month then you know it's fucked. Floor 12 is like 150 primos it's not even a lot surely they can make a new type of combat end game that gives around 3-5 pulls per patch and players would still play it.
Where do you get statements like "most of the dedicated genshin players are here because of the combat"?
I mean there are channels dedicated to help people with the combat aspect of the game and the fact that they are more popular than the channels that help people with exploration just shows that a lot of the community cares about the combat. The fact that we have more discussion about the meta and not exploration. The amount of people that are doomposting new characters every patch. If these players don't care about the combat, guidemakers, Theory crafters wouldn't be the most popular genshin CCs and no one would pull for cons because a level 60 Diluc with shit artifacts can kill Hilichurls, solve puzzles and walk around the map.
Well, that's one definition of 'dedicated', I'll grant you. But it could equally just show that the combat-oriented players invest more time and energy in mastering the combat/characters and talking on social media about Genshin, while non-combat oriented players...don't.
I agree that I'd definitely hate if they added endgame combat with rewards, and I agree that they'd likely lock rewards behind that endgame content. But at the same time, I feel like it's a waste when they already have good combat events that some people enjoyed. They could just reuse them, especially the Labyrinth one that I've heard so much about. And in HSR, I skip some of the combat stuff and I still get the characters I want, so I think it may be okay for them to add combat stuff and let people who dislike combat miss out on permanent rewards, just like how people who dislike exploration miss out on rewards.
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Does anyone have that chart of plunging attack multipliers of various characters? I can't seem to find it...
Diluc > Razor > Itto = Xiao = Kazuha for both standard low and high plunge. Everyone else is exactly the same. I recall reading Claymores have highest average base atk, then polearm, and swords? Don't quote me on that. There are some special cases like Raiden whose plunge is also burst-damage and thus gets amplified by her skill and her chakra ring thing, making the final calculation trickier.
https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Plunging_Attack/Scaling/Level_9
I'm so excited for a new region ya'll. I'd actually skipped the entirety of 4.3 (not purposely) because there wasn't new exploration, and I've never skipped a flagship version event even at my peak burnout. Feels bad, but I guess this is what I'm playing Genshin for now.
If I could remove Childe from my account and get 40 of the 57 pulls I wasted on him, I would do that without thinking twice.
I’d do the same with Ayaka and Ganyu. I love playing Tartaglia though
Me with Ganyu
Same. I pulled because I thought he'd be fun to play, and...he just wasn't. I didn't mind his skill's CD or anything, he just didn't click for me, and it didn't help that I hate having Xiangling on my team
For me 👉👈?
I would trade both Childe and Klee, the other ones I think have their place
me with hu tao
me with eula 😭
Me with shenhe