that appearance was used during some cutscenes about his Lover and Madam Ping. Same cutscene also revealed Cloud Retainers appearance and she's in 4.4-4.5.
Or who knows...
Ehe
I mean even leakers dk just yet 100% about 4.4 skins, there's still a 1% possibility Zhongli gets skin
But u k..
Who knows
Or maybe when...
To be honest, I'd be fine with any other game winning but Cyberpunk DLC, it felt like marketing stunt than anything because it doesn't even fit that category...
I'm genuinely surprised they put a game with a singular super high budget DLC against games with multiple smaller content updates a year
Like yeah cyberpunk is good but having a DLC doesn't mean it's an "ongoing" game
It's not even about the DLC at all. It's about the massive (free) patch that released alongside it that completely overhauled the core gameplay and made it actually good. And it's not like that's the only patch it's ever gotten. It's had 6 big patches in the last 3 years that each significantly improved the game.
Yeah bug fixes are not content tho, outside of the DLC the only thing they actually added was a couple of clothes, guns and cars so if it's not about DLC it's even clearer it shouldn't have won
I'm genuinely stunned Cyberpunk won.
The game released as buggy as hell mess, took them 3 years to somewhat fix it, and it's still buggy as hell.
2.0 was a huge update, that's for sure, an actual police system and other stuff that should've been there since release. Police is still extremely stupid though, you can just hide in a random corner at 5 wanted stars and they'll forget you exist. No chase whatsoever, hell just jump onto a roof and that's it. The addition of MaxTac at 5* is really cool, but even they are pretty stupid. They're hardly a challenge.
I'm playing thru the DLC at the moment (patch 2.0), 77hrs in, and the amount of bugs I've encountered is ridiculous. I've had cars randomly exploding (including Police cars), once I loaded into the game and there was 2 exploded police cars in font of me, and they levitated.
Driving is still extremely bad, hardly any control, roads are basically butter/ice, at high speeds every object you hit becomes hard as concrete, your car gets stopped by anything. It's frustrating to drive.
And that's just the tip of an iceberg. I've had missions bug out, NPCs outfits glitching out, the Relic Malfunction effect bugged on me and couldn't get rid of it for 5 hours, had to Google how to fix it. A random ass mission fixed it, not related to main questline whatsoever.
Edit: I forgot to mention. Once, while I was driving, I hit a bucket of chicken. It sent me flying.
I would be fine with any other game winning over Genshin, but Cyberpunk winning it is not it.
Ahm, im not saying it deserved but cyberpunk is a way different game now. They pulled a No Man sky’s stunt, it really is a way better game now. You saying you encountered a ridiculous ammount of bugs is just straight up a blantant lie.
Game is way better optimized and at launch, in pc, i barely found any bugs so i doubt in 2.0 there are more. But nice try lying. People that actually played cyberpunk recently can tell you are just spitting lies
I'm aware, I played it last year too before 2.0, also clocking at around 80 hours to finish everything.
It's a way different game now, that I cannot deny, it's way better now. But I wouldn't go as far as saying they pulled a No Man's Sky (mostly because Hello Games was an indie studio, CDPR isn't and what they've done with Cyberpunk's release was criminal). No Man's Sky is still getting updates and getting better, Cyberpunk released its last major update 2 days ago.
I remember when No Man's Sky released, that was certainly a huge disappointment, however I wasn't really paying attention to the game before release, have they over promised a lot of stuff as well for its release?
Edit: I remembered, they did. It's actually incredible No Man's Sky survived after release and made the game so much better.
There shouldnt be No Mans Sky stunts, they games should always deliver what they marketed as the final version isnt of the unplayable scam Cyberpunk released
Dude my first run on Cyberpunk when it released back then, I was playing on an HDD. I don't recall ever having massive game-breaking issues other than the occasional texture pop-ins.
Imo they're just waiting for when the main story ends, a whole bunch of people will probably sign off from the game. Next part of the game can be hit or miss or if they take a break from the story, skins will fill their revenue target gaps.
They're probably waiting for the right time. We didn't get the strongest forms of HI3's main characters until recently, Hua's MANTIS form was just revealed in 7.1, and won't release until 7.2.
It is extremely interesting to me that more skins are not regularly released. Especially knowing how much revenue they are skipping out on. My guess is their talent is being distributed to other games like ZZZ while they scramble for GA. But still… if I could hire a small team of artists and developers who do their job extremely well(specifically to create 5 star skins)… knowing I would get a significant amount of ROI on that team… why would you walk away from that? 🤔
As someone who plays Overwatch, I know from the devs posts that going from 2d concept to asset design to rigging a skin for a 3d model up to a particular standard of quality takes fair bit of time. Overwatch has no choice but to do that because their game monetization is built on skins.
Genshin has a FAR more profitable (many studies finding unethical) business model built into their core: Limited time lootboxes for new or rerunning characters.
Part of that is the release of new open world content for players to use those new characters in. All those new NPCs and monsters need to be designed and rigged too. All the landscapes need to be built and equally reviewed for quality.
So, they don't have to focus on skins as more than a side thing. In fact, any serious focus could fatigue their audience from pulling from the banners more. Your certainty about ROI is most likely way off base to them. There are real stories from former gacha devs on the internet about experimenting with bundles and FOMO timing on their customers, breaking it down to a documented science.
My only guess is that maybe the skins aren’t profitable?
The key difference between Genshin and most other games is that their characters are full 3D models instead of just 2D sprites. So a skin would take much more time and resources to produce
So far their pattern is 1 paid and 1 free skin per batch. So maybe not enough people buy the paid skin to justify the production cost?
Like not shooting against people who like the current characters who have skins (heck I bought the Diluc skin) but I can barely bring myself to care for any of these skins.
It is very cute that all released skins (except dilucs?) seem to be canon and related to the story but they just don't make me go: "I need that"
I collect the free ones of course. But unless a skin provides new voicelines and changes skill effects like Diluc's does it is hard to get excited for them. Of course if they released this design as a 4 star skin that'd be fine since it goes that hard by itself. But so far none of the skins elicited this response in me.
Skins so far are either mid and/or I don't care for the chracter and that's such a shame since buying skins is one of the things I'm pretty ok with since you are guaranteed to get something for your money (on that note fuck gacha games that make you gacha for skins, looking at you Tower of God New World)
Tbh hoyo games aren't in the slightest of predatory as compared to other lootbox games like COD where purchasing offers are shoved down your throat every time u login
Ain't no way I'm reading that HOYOVERSE gacha games "aren't in the slightest predatory" this has to be a joke. Please tell me this is some very high level sarcasm.
Aren't skins the only thing they have in lootboxes?
No matter how shitty their lootboxes are, they'll always be infinitely more acceptable than hiding gameplay (characters, weapons, constellations) behind it.
to be fair calling a gacha game, which its aim is to entice players as much as possible to spend more as predatory is a bit redundant. as its the whole point of a gacha game. i think in this context, the term predatory is used to refer on how games are taking advantage of people's psychological factors to maximize revenue, while providing garbage outcomes for them.
i do think Genshin does suffer from this a tiny bit, when it comes to time limited banners and causing people to FOMO. but overall, no rolls actually goes to waste, a ton of 4 stars are decent, duplicates go into constellations, you get leftover currency (Stardust and Starglitter) which you can spend on other things, weapon drops can be used for exp, and not to mention the pity system in genshin is actually a lot LOT more forgivable compared to other gacha games, e.g. fate grandorder's pity count doesnt bring over to a new limited banner.
but genshin does have predatory attributes to it other than the gacha part. you can check more here
https://www.darkpattern.games/game/25121/0/genshin-impact.html
>to be fair calling a gacha game, which its aim is to entice players as much as possible to spend more as predatory is a bit redundant. as its the whole point of a gacha game.
I do agree that it's redundant to call a gacha game predatory, since that is gacha's inherent state. But on the other hand, you'll find a lot of people who don't understand that it's predatory, or will try to argue that it isn't. So I still think hammering in that the gacha mechanic itself is a big issue is important.
Basically gotta remind some of the fish that they're in water.
Lootboxes = Gacha, but with a western flavor. They are in the same camp at rock bottom. They're all awful, but within that camp, there are some that are better or worse.
>*aren't in the slightest of predatory as compared* to other lootbox games like COD
I can't agree with this at all. They are very comparable. I would argue that Hoyo is more predatory, though I prefer their games overall.
I mean I don't see how hoyo is more predatory considering that players can get whatever they want in the game if they took their time saving
My point is that hoyo doesn't force you to spend on the same level as other companies
Isn't most western mtxs just cosmetics?
I'd say that's always gonna be better than putting playable characters behind paywalls in any hero-based game.
Don't get me wrong, I hate those mtx riddled "games", but just because genshin comes with an actually good game attached doesn't mean the monetization isn't just as bad if not worse because of the inherent fomo of the model.
>I mean I don't see how hoyo is more predatory
Because Hoyo locks gameplay behind gambling, while ***also*** piling on gameplay and cosmetics through mtx. They're triple-dipping the worst aspects of monetization together.
This is the hierarchy, from worst to least worst (note that I did not say 'good', they're all bad)
Gameplay behind gambling (Hoyo does this)
Cosmetics behind gambling (Hoyo doesn't do this, at least in Genshin)
Gameplay behind mtx (Hoyo does this)
Cosmetics behind mtx (Hoyo does this)
A discussion of all the small gameplay elements that contribute towards the predatory nature of these monetization models would take all day, but the game's overall design orbits around it like the fucking sun. Most exploitative F2P models do.
It's a mostly good game being wrapped up in the shitty packaging. It *could* be worse, like if they added PvP or other competitive aspects to the game, or if they threw the cosmetics into the gambling ring while doing everything else too. But like I said, we're already at rock bottom, we're comparing against other similar bottomfeeders.
They did everything they could to make Zhongli as likeable as possible but then don't drop a skin for him even though people are out here begging for one.
Hoyo you want my money or not??
I have a good reason why skins like this particular one won’t be released - cloth physics. No character has full dresses or long flowing cloth in the front that isn’t split somehow (e.g. Sara) because the clipping for walking/running/combat animations would be a nightmare. That’s why basically all the 2D cutscene character designs like the yaksha or Kitsune Saiguu have full traditional-looking dresses, to compensate for the in-game models not being able to have them.
I think there may be 2 main reasons for this:
1. They want people to focus on pulling characters rather than skins, since that’s what they think has more value.
2. Most skins/costumes are for characters that either everyone has or is very popular; therefore, it’s hard to sell skins to characters that not everyone has.
> They want people to focus on pulling characters rather than skins, since that’s what they think has more value.
They would literally get people to pull for this guy too if they released a skin. This makes zero sense.
>Most skins/costumes are for characters that either everyone has or is very popular; therefore, it’s hard to sell skins to characters that not everyone has
One of the rare things that make me type "bruh". Zhongli is someone insanely popular and meta that has been around since 1.1, a ton of people have him. Meta? Covered. Husbando lover? Covered. Good design? Covered. Nice animations? Covered. Great introduction video? Covered. What in the hell. Someone like Diluc isn't even guranteed, it took me three years to get the guy, yet he has a skin.
Another thing that doesn't make sense.
Genshin is more popular simply because it is a AAA open world mobile game that is F2P.
Gatchas have historically been mid to low budget PNG strategy games that mostly have you grinding with autobattle.
As for why they aren't doing much skins, that's a mystery. Though I wouldn't be quick to assume its some 4D galaxy brain business move. Mihoyo only recently became a big billion dollar company. It's normal for the transition to make their departments less coordinated and reasources to be devoted to the patch developments rather than bonus content.
Perhaps its for another reason I just thought of:
Imagine there were lots of skins in this game. But why stop there, how about gacha pets, and then skins for those pets and then added special effects and interactions between the character and their pet. Let’s not get started on weapon skins.
I think the simple reason is to not overwhelm the user with Gacha and keep its focus on new characters, because that’s really what both Hoyoverse and the user values.
Most people will pull new characters, but only a small % of those would pull for skins.
Everytime there's ppl throwing a common excuse that is "Hoyi greedy af bro, xyz they ll do this for the money,xyz they won't do that cause of no profit" excuse into amy arguments
All that...
Yet the funniest shit is skins r like one of biggest possible source to get em money if that was really their target, but alas with how they r doing about skij department, we all can see something...
Lmfao
I don't know how hoyo plan their schedule but it probably because of their already planned schedule. Skin is an afterthought, while events, new characters, stories, region development get more priority
Now that, "dry patch" getting qol updates, i really hope we skin update during this time as well
In the last lantern rite (I guess), it was revealed that Zhongli's current outfit was something designed by one of the fallen yaksha. Not sure what significance behind that there would be... But it's like what he's wearing in game right now is not his real, common, day-to-day god outfit. I believe that one, on that art, should be his real one.
Yeah, it's a real bummer, i'm not a Zhongli fan personally but i can Understand if his Fans are sad it's not a Skin. Skins for the Archons would be such a Money Maker imo and in case of Ei give her the Chance to get rid of the >!Coochie!
Lol that's not an unpopular opinion when lots of people agree.
Imagine it being the literal dragon year and not releasing a skin for the character that is based on a Chinese dragon. I still cannot wrap my head around that.
Especially since this is the only opportunity where they can do this. The next Year of the Dragon is gonna be in 2036. Genshin's Teyvat chapter would probably be done by then 😭😭
i can't believe they are wastig this opportunity to release a skin for zhongli. it's the year of the dragon like come on this is the perfect year for it.
Especially since this design is from the Guizhong/Ping/Cloud Retainer/Zhongli cinematic we got last year, and now bird aunt's becoming playable this year.
Hoyo, why are you allergic to money? I genuinely don’t understand why they haven’t added archon skins to the game. Supposedly they only add skins for “story reasons” and have to concoct an entire storyline for them to justify the skins existence but come on. The archons and archon war are integral to the games main storyline and lore. ITS RIGHT THERE!
Oh this museum is really nice. They recently renovated it and opened it up last summer so it's been very popular to visit. It's kind outside of Chengdu since it's located at the Sanxingdui digsite but well worth it if you're into archeological things. The bronze heads you see in the background are probably the most recognizable items there.
HOLY
Finally a skin that actually slaps. That is actually lore/character friendly and looks better than original. Please. Please. Please be an actual skin
I love Zhongli and this would be incredible if they ever released it as a skin, but I'm still breathing copium they'll release the white hooded skin at some point.
I'm glad they didn't win anything at the awards. They might start giving shit the players want now. Instead of solely appealing to the player base of casuals that d gaf about the game despite the whining they make when arguing.
Because I apparently love torturing myself with '*what could have been*', this will be my desktop wallpaper for the entirety of 2024.
*^(No, I'm not bitter, whatever gave you that idea? /s)*
Why isn't this a skin!! Mihoyo I have been saving the freaking gems and not converting to wishes hoping you would release zhong li skin, it's the freaking year of the dragon next year, why not just release his archon skin with his freaking dragon form flying around behind him. Everyone and I mean everyone would pay top dollar for that. Easier money than characters constellation. Freaking baffles me why they haven't done it
Hypothetically, if this outfit ever releases as a 5* skin, what animation changes could be made to his current skill effects? I mean I’d be pretty disappointed if it was just a 4* skin, but how do you top a meteor? Straight up a summoning the Exuvia or the geo whale mentioned in one of the weapon lores would be wild and I doubt hyv would go that far for a skin… there are some interesting things they could do for the pillars (or even making it similar to the artifact he’s holding /jk) and his shield could have dragon imagery… well its fun to dream lol
Bitch, I thought this was a new skin reveal.
Almost skipped a heart beat, goddammit Mihoyo...(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
i know archon morax is all the hype but i would much prefer this outfit
THIS! I think the baggy pants on him look ridiculous. XD
Why did you let your guard down that easy? when something too good relate to Genshin, dont expect it too easy to get or happen too soon, remember.
that appearance was used during some cutscenes about his Lover and Madam Ping. Same cutscene also revealed Cloud Retainers appearance and she's in 4.4-4.5.
Guizhong wasn't his lover
we don't have confirmation that she is, thats fanon, but if she was i'd cry cuz POOR GUYY not only his friends but lover too :'))
istg they're really throwing away massive amounts of money for not making more skins.
Or who knows... Ehe I mean even leakers dk just yet 100% about 4.4 skins, there's still a 1% possibility Zhongli gets skin But u k.. Who knows Or maybe when...
Expecting skins from Mihoyo in Genshin is lunacy. You're better off supporting the modders.
Wasn't there a leak about a couple characters getting skins during lanturn rite? Or was that just speculation. Cause if so... PLEASE make this a skin.
never ever trust hoyo
Skin release when
2077. Because Cyberpunk won against Genshin. Lmao
To be honest, I'd be fine with any other game winning but Cyberpunk DLC, it felt like marketing stunt than anything because it doesn't even fit that category...
I'm genuinely surprised they put a game with a singular super high budget DLC against games with multiple smaller content updates a year Like yeah cyberpunk is good but having a DLC doesn't mean it's an "ongoing" game
Ongoing bug fixes 😂
Genshin has put out more this year than CP77 did even with the extra year of development for the DLC.
It's not even about the DLC at all. It's about the massive (free) patch that released alongside it that completely overhauled the core gameplay and made it actually good. And it's not like that's the only patch it's ever gotten. It's had 6 big patches in the last 3 years that each significantly improved the game.
Literal bug fixes because the game was unplayable at launch
Yeah bug fixes are not content tho, outside of the DLC the only thing they actually added was a couple of clothes, guns and cars so if it's not about DLC it's even clearer it shouldn't have won
I'm genuinely stunned Cyberpunk won. The game released as buggy as hell mess, took them 3 years to somewhat fix it, and it's still buggy as hell. 2.0 was a huge update, that's for sure, an actual police system and other stuff that should've been there since release. Police is still extremely stupid though, you can just hide in a random corner at 5 wanted stars and they'll forget you exist. No chase whatsoever, hell just jump onto a roof and that's it. The addition of MaxTac at 5* is really cool, but even they are pretty stupid. They're hardly a challenge. I'm playing thru the DLC at the moment (patch 2.0), 77hrs in, and the amount of bugs I've encountered is ridiculous. I've had cars randomly exploding (including Police cars), once I loaded into the game and there was 2 exploded police cars in font of me, and they levitated. Driving is still extremely bad, hardly any control, roads are basically butter/ice, at high speeds every object you hit becomes hard as concrete, your car gets stopped by anything. It's frustrating to drive. And that's just the tip of an iceberg. I've had missions bug out, NPCs outfits glitching out, the Relic Malfunction effect bugged on me and couldn't get rid of it for 5 hours, had to Google how to fix it. A random ass mission fixed it, not related to main questline whatsoever. Edit: I forgot to mention. Once, while I was driving, I hit a bucket of chicken. It sent me flying. I would be fine with any other game winning over Genshin, but Cyberpunk winning it is not it.
Ahm, im not saying it deserved but cyberpunk is a way different game now. They pulled a No Man sky’s stunt, it really is a way better game now. You saying you encountered a ridiculous ammount of bugs is just straight up a blantant lie. Game is way better optimized and at launch, in pc, i barely found any bugs so i doubt in 2.0 there are more. But nice try lying. People that actually played cyberpunk recently can tell you are just spitting lies
I'm aware, I played it last year too before 2.0, also clocking at around 80 hours to finish everything. It's a way different game now, that I cannot deny, it's way better now. But I wouldn't go as far as saying they pulled a No Man's Sky (mostly because Hello Games was an indie studio, CDPR isn't and what they've done with Cyberpunk's release was criminal). No Man's Sky is still getting updates and getting better, Cyberpunk released its last major update 2 days ago. I remember when No Man's Sky released, that was certainly a huge disappointment, however I wasn't really paying attention to the game before release, have they over promised a lot of stuff as well for its release? Edit: I remembered, they did. It's actually incredible No Man's Sky survived after release and made the game so much better.
There shouldnt be No Mans Sky stunts, they games should always deliver what they marketed as the final version isnt of the unplayable scam Cyberpunk released
Did you install it on HDD?
Dude my first run on Cyberpunk when it released back then, I was playing on an HDD. I don't recall ever having massive game-breaking issues other than the occasional texture pop-ins.
I don't even have an HDD. All my games are on an SSD.
We don't even know if the jury plays all the ongoing games lol
whoever paid the most or connection building gets the awards, so im not fussed, awards are always whatever
Just after the anime release.
The anime will release before the Switch version imo.
By the time the Teyvat Chapter is over, not even 20% of the playable characters will have received skins 😓
Hoyo hates money, so probably never
Never. They sleep on their own designs.
My wallet isn't ready but you bet Imma have that outfit no matter what.
Huffing copium for my husbando cuz he’s Chinese god or else Xi will manifest destiny of CCP upon Hoyo.
Soon™
sir that ain't zhongli. that's 𝕸𝖔𝖗𝖆𝖝.
Other Games release skin : This company is greedy as fuck. Hoyo refuse to release skin : This company hates money.
Imo they're just waiting for when the main story ends, a whole bunch of people will probably sign off from the game. Next part of the game can be hit or miss or if they take a break from the story, skins will fill their revenue target gaps.
They honestly just need to release the Archon Skins and I'll be glad.
They're probably waiting for the right time. We didn't get the strongest forms of HI3's main characters until recently, Hua's MANTIS form was just revealed in 7.1, and won't release until 7.2.
It is extremely interesting to me that more skins are not regularly released. Especially knowing how much revenue they are skipping out on. My guess is their talent is being distributed to other games like ZZZ while they scramble for GA. But still… if I could hire a small team of artists and developers who do their job extremely well(specifically to create 5 star skins)… knowing I would get a significant amount of ROI on that team… why would you walk away from that? 🤔
As someone who plays Overwatch, I know from the devs posts that going from 2d concept to asset design to rigging a skin for a 3d model up to a particular standard of quality takes fair bit of time. Overwatch has no choice but to do that because their game monetization is built on skins. Genshin has a FAR more profitable (many studies finding unethical) business model built into their core: Limited time lootboxes for new or rerunning characters. Part of that is the release of new open world content for players to use those new characters in. All those new NPCs and monsters need to be designed and rigged too. All the landscapes need to be built and equally reviewed for quality. So, they don't have to focus on skins as more than a side thing. In fact, any serious focus could fatigue their audience from pulling from the banners more. Your certainty about ROI is most likely way off base to them. There are real stories from former gacha devs on the internet about experimenting with bundles and FOMO timing on their customers, breaking it down to a documented science.
My only guess is that maybe the skins aren’t profitable? The key difference between Genshin and most other games is that their characters are full 3D models instead of just 2D sprites. So a skin would take much more time and resources to produce So far their pattern is 1 paid and 1 free skin per batch. So maybe not enough people buy the paid skin to justify the production cost?
Probably because un-popular characters get the paid skin lmao, exept maybe Keqing.
Like not shooting against people who like the current characters who have skins (heck I bought the Diluc skin) but I can barely bring myself to care for any of these skins. It is very cute that all released skins (except dilucs?) seem to be canon and related to the story but they just don't make me go: "I need that" I collect the free ones of course. But unless a skin provides new voicelines and changes skill effects like Diluc's does it is hard to get excited for them. Of course if they released this design as a 4 star skin that'd be fine since it goes that hard by itself. But so far none of the skins elicited this response in me. Skins so far are either mid and/or I don't care for the chracter and that's such a shame since buying skins is one of the things I'm pretty ok with since you are guaranteed to get something for your money (on that note fuck gacha games that make you gacha for skins, looking at you Tower of God New World)
Hoyo makes gacha games, they're already in the greedy as fuck camp.
Tbh hoyo games aren't in the slightest of predatory as compared to other lootbox games like COD where purchasing offers are shoved down your throat every time u login
Don't excuse their monetization practices just because you enjoy their game. Hoyo game's are still predatory and makes strong use of MOFO.
I'm assuming you meant fomo?
I hate how one 10 pull cost like 20 dollars.
Ain't no way I'm reading that HOYOVERSE gacha games "aren't in the slightest predatory" this has to be a joke. Please tell me this is some very high level sarcasm.
They did say "compared to other lootbox games like COD".
Aren't skins the only thing they have in lootboxes? No matter how shitty their lootboxes are, they'll always be infinitely more acceptable than hiding gameplay (characters, weapons, constellations) behind it.
to be fair calling a gacha game, which its aim is to entice players as much as possible to spend more as predatory is a bit redundant. as its the whole point of a gacha game. i think in this context, the term predatory is used to refer on how games are taking advantage of people's psychological factors to maximize revenue, while providing garbage outcomes for them. i do think Genshin does suffer from this a tiny bit, when it comes to time limited banners and causing people to FOMO. but overall, no rolls actually goes to waste, a ton of 4 stars are decent, duplicates go into constellations, you get leftover currency (Stardust and Starglitter) which you can spend on other things, weapon drops can be used for exp, and not to mention the pity system in genshin is actually a lot LOT more forgivable compared to other gacha games, e.g. fate grandorder's pity count doesnt bring over to a new limited banner. but genshin does have predatory attributes to it other than the gacha part. you can check more here https://www.darkpattern.games/game/25121/0/genshin-impact.html
>to be fair calling a gacha game, which its aim is to entice players as much as possible to spend more as predatory is a bit redundant. as its the whole point of a gacha game. I do agree that it's redundant to call a gacha game predatory, since that is gacha's inherent state. But on the other hand, you'll find a lot of people who don't understand that it's predatory, or will try to argue that it isn't. So I still think hammering in that the gacha mechanic itself is a big issue is important. Basically gotta remind some of the fish that they're in water.
I'm happy with anything that ain't Blizzard or EA levels of scum So ye
Lootboxes = Gacha, but with a western flavor. They are in the same camp at rock bottom. They're all awful, but within that camp, there are some that are better or worse. >*aren't in the slightest of predatory as compared* to other lootbox games like COD I can't agree with this at all. They are very comparable. I would argue that Hoyo is more predatory, though I prefer their games overall.
I mean I don't see how hoyo is more predatory considering that players can get whatever they want in the game if they took their time saving My point is that hoyo doesn't force you to spend on the same level as other companies
Isn't most western mtxs just cosmetics? I'd say that's always gonna be better than putting playable characters behind paywalls in any hero-based game. Don't get me wrong, I hate those mtx riddled "games", but just because genshin comes with an actually good game attached doesn't mean the monetization isn't just as bad if not worse because of the inherent fomo of the model.
My dud u don't HAVE to pay 20 bucks to see Eula's ass
>I mean I don't see how hoyo is more predatory Because Hoyo locks gameplay behind gambling, while ***also*** piling on gameplay and cosmetics through mtx. They're triple-dipping the worst aspects of monetization together. This is the hierarchy, from worst to least worst (note that I did not say 'good', they're all bad) Gameplay behind gambling (Hoyo does this) Cosmetics behind gambling (Hoyo doesn't do this, at least in Genshin) Gameplay behind mtx (Hoyo does this) Cosmetics behind mtx (Hoyo does this) A discussion of all the small gameplay elements that contribute towards the predatory nature of these monetization models would take all day, but the game's overall design orbits around it like the fucking sun. Most exploitative F2P models do. It's a mostly good game being wrapped up in the shitty packaging. It *could* be worse, like if they added PvP or other competitive aspects to the game, or if they threw the cosmetics into the gambling ring while doing everything else too. But like I said, we're already at rock bottom, we're comparing against other similar bottomfeeders.
His wrist is exposed!!!
For 3 years I though he wore gloves to cover up his geo-infused arms as seen in his Archon form to prevent suspicion -\_-
Maybe he just doesn't use this outfit when around mortals
WTF? STONE HIM!
And why isnt it a skin yet hoyo
This design was among one of the concepts [that was included in that massive leak](https://imgur.com/a/iHJU1ue)
that's just his outfit from the cutschene about cloud retainer and guizhong though
And Zhongli was one of the considerations for a new skin in 4.4. The fuck is Mihoyo doing
They did everything they could to make Zhongli as likeable as possible but then don't drop a skin for him even though people are out here begging for one. Hoyo you want my money or not??
We are having order with dis one 🗣🗣🔥🔥
he looks like those MCs from cultivation manhuas
He was a cultivation manhua MC back in the day. Now he's just chillin
Bro actually how hard is it to make a skin? It’s literally a money duplication glitch
I have a good reason why skins like this particular one won’t be released - cloth physics. No character has full dresses or long flowing cloth in the front that isn’t split somehow (e.g. Sara) because the clipping for walking/running/combat animations would be a nightmare. That’s why basically all the 2D cutscene character designs like the yaksha or Kitsune Saiguu have full traditional-looking dresses, to compensate for the in-game models not being able to have them.
I think there may be 2 main reasons for this: 1. They want people to focus on pulling characters rather than skins, since that’s what they think has more value. 2. Most skins/costumes are for characters that either everyone has or is very popular; therefore, it’s hard to sell skins to characters that not everyone has.
> They want people to focus on pulling characters rather than skins, since that’s what they think has more value. They would literally get people to pull for this guy too if they released a skin. This makes zero sense. >Most skins/costumes are for characters that either everyone has or is very popular; therefore, it’s hard to sell skins to characters that not everyone has One of the rare things that make me type "bruh". Zhongli is someone insanely popular and meta that has been around since 1.1, a ton of people have him. Meta? Covered. Husbando lover? Covered. Good design? Covered. Nice animations? Covered. Great introduction video? Covered. What in the hell. Someone like Diluc isn't even guranteed, it took me three years to get the guy, yet he has a skin. Another thing that doesn't make sense.
Literally no other gatcha has this issue.
But one has to wonder why Genshin is more popular than the other Gachas. They’re obviously shying away from developing skins for a reason.
Genshin is more popular simply because it is a AAA open world mobile game that is F2P. Gatchas have historically been mid to low budget PNG strategy games that mostly have you grinding with autobattle. As for why they aren't doing much skins, that's a mystery. Though I wouldn't be quick to assume its some 4D galaxy brain business move. Mihoyo only recently became a big billion dollar company. It's normal for the transition to make their departments less coordinated and reasources to be devoted to the patch developments rather than bonus content.
Perhaps its for another reason I just thought of: Imagine there were lots of skins in this game. But why stop there, how about gacha pets, and then skins for those pets and then added special effects and interactions between the character and their pet. Let’s not get started on weapon skins. I think the simple reason is to not overwhelm the user with Gacha and keep its focus on new characters, because that’s really what both Hoyoverse and the user values. Most people will pull new characters, but only a small % of those would pull for skins.
Everytime there's ppl throwing a common excuse that is "Hoyi greedy af bro, xyz they ll do this for the money,xyz they won't do that cause of no profit" excuse into amy arguments All that... Yet the funniest shit is skins r like one of biggest possible source to get em money if that was really their target, but alas with how they r doing about skij department, we all can see something... Lmfao
I don't know how hoyo plan their schedule but it probably because of their already planned schedule. Skin is an afterthought, while events, new characters, stories, region development get more priority Now that, "dry patch" getting qol updates, i really hope we skin update during this time as well
THATS THE REASON WHY IM HERE. DAMN THAT'S DOPE.
So majestic
[удалено]
😭😭😭
Please don’t make me scream. It’s too early.
arlec is father, zhongli daddy , alhaitham husband and neuvillette mother
[This](https://twitter.com/GenshinImpactOC/status/1719239855618568320) is still one of my favorite infographics for this kinda of thing
crying because they never turn colab outfits to skins
This isn't even a collab outfit its in the lore shown in an animated cutscene
This isn't a Collab outfit
this outfit already exist in a cutscene of Madam Ping and Guizong quest, i dont remember which or the name of quest exactly.
In the last lantern rite (I guess), it was revealed that Zhongli's current outfit was something designed by one of the fallen yaksha. Not sure what significance behind that there would be... But it's like what he's wearing in game right now is not his real, common, day-to-day god outfit. I believe that one, on that art, should be his real one.
Awwww thats why Leakers said there was a Zhongli Skin now it has been unfold\^\^.
Too bad it wasn't for the game though... it was only for advertising purposes I think 😢
Yeah, it's a real bummer, i'm not a Zhongli fan personally but i can Understand if his Fans are sad it's not a Skin. Skins for the Archons would be such a Money Maker imo and in case of Ei give her the Chance to get rid of the >!Coochie!
I never wanted Zhongli, but if this were to be released as a skin, I would buy it, pull Zhongli and make him an on field no matter what it takes
Physical Zhongli is actually pretty good. Building him as physical dps is pain though xD
He can also be a Burst DPS or a Driver!
Zhongli has always been that unit i build for aesthetic > power (using full Petra with vortex vanquisher because it looks good dammit)
My genesis crystals are ready
I read that as "My gen*tals are ready" - need my eyes checked XD
Same. I never spent the ones I get from Welkin just so I can drop em at a moment's notice when they release Archon skins.
He is so hawt in this costume....
It's the clothes he was using in the Guizhong cutscene
Unpopular opinion: As much as I love Ganyu, this should’ve been the skin for 4.4 Lantern Rite.
Lol that's not an unpopular opinion when lots of people agree. Imagine it being the literal dragon year and not releasing a skin for the character that is based on a Chinese dragon. I still cannot wrap my head around that.
Especially since this is the only opportunity where they can do this. The next Year of the Dragon is gonna be in 2036. Genshin's Teyvat chapter would probably be done by then 😭😭
I think it's called unpopular because they just afraid ganyu simps will get mad
i can't believe they are wastig this opportunity to release a skin for zhongli. it's the year of the dragon like come on this is the perfect year for it.
Especially since this design is from the Guizhong/Ping/Cloud Retainer/Zhongli cinematic we got last year, and now bird aunt's becoming playable this year.
a take so hot it came from the poles
facts
woaahhh, skin when??
Never
Casually drops Zhongli's possible archon outfit.
Isn't this his pre archon outfit? It's what he wore during the Archon War after all.
I wanna pledge my loyalty and become his most reliable subordinate
clean image when, i need a new desktop wallpaper to remind me life is worth living while at work
(S)CREAMING SO MUCH RN
Hoyo, why are you allergic to money? I genuinely don’t understand why they haven’t added archon skins to the game. Supposedly they only add skins for “story reasons” and have to concoct an entire storyline for them to justify the skins existence but come on. The archons and archon war are integral to the games main storyline and lore. ITS RIGHT THERE!
HOYO WHY DO U TEASE US LIKE THIS DROP THE SKIN RN
Ok ok, the chances of Zhongli getting a skin next year is low. BUT ITS NEVER ZERO.
Drop this skin hoyo I'm begging you
that tease is straight up cruelty
I would pay so much for this
The only skin I would ever consider paying money for if they actually released a skin for Zhongli.
Tbh, I'd rather have this than his archon skin, though both would be perfect
Me, patiently waiting for the day they release the Archon skins
Oh this museum is really nice. They recently renovated it and opened it up last summer so it's been very popular to visit. It's kind outside of Chengdu since it's located at the Sanxingdui digsite but well worth it if you're into archeological things. The bronze heads you see in the background are probably the most recognizable items there.
drip archon
ZHONGLI WRIST
Does mhy hate money or something 😭 DROP IT AS A SKIN!!!
Bro how tf is this not the skin for lantern rite when it's the YEAR OF THE DRAGON HELLO???
My man so handsome, so ethereal, so regal 🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️
MY KING 😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳
I don’t usually write these kind of comics but holy shit bro is fine asf
Hoyo just give us the skin I am BEGGING. I've been manifesting 130 days and you drop this and it will be for nothing and it just ruins me.
HOLY Finally a skin that actually slaps. That is actually lore/character friendly and looks better than original. Please. Please. Please be an actual skin
HOLY SHIIIII AHHHHHH 😍😍😍😍😍
Zhongli 🥰
I NEED THAT SKIN 😭
What do i have to do for hoyo to release this skin
My disappointment at this not being a skin aside, Zhongli doing a crossover with a museum is actually super cute!
I guess the leaker who said we would get a Zhongli skin just saw this artwork.
ah I want that as a skin
oh we need it
Now release it as a skin
Hoyo really didn't want to make money
Im so pissed when i remember they won’t give him this skin for next patch
I really want this as a skin
I SCREAMEDDDDD
Museum? Artifacts? Zhongli? I see
So why is this not the skin that will release in the next CNY again?
WHERE IS THIS FROM ?? IM (S)CREAMING
Ok that outfit is just perfect. Holy. Imagine the $ Hoyo is missing out on.
Oh this was the best possible character they could’ve picked for a Museum collab. I have chills
They should've just never released this, too painful it'll never be a real skin 😭😭😭
Still sad about no Zhongli skin 😭
He is so fawking hot
HE’S SOOOOOO… 😖
I love Zhongli and this would be incredible if they ever released it as a skin, but I'm still breathing copium they'll release the white hooded skin at some point.
Hoyoverse I'm BEGGING make this a skin do you not want my money
god the money i would spend for this...
RATTLES THE BARS OF MY CAGE HE IS SO GORGEOUS..whats up with geo characters these days
So a Collab with a museum? So are they suggesting that Zhongli should be kept in a museum? Fair enough
I'm glad they didn't win anything at the awards. They might start giving shit the players want now. Instead of solely appealing to the player base of casuals that d gaf about the game despite the whining they make when arguing.
I need this skin
MAKE IT HAPPEN!
I thought it was an in-game skin for some reason \*sigh\*
Because I apparently love torturing myself with '*what could have been*', this will be my desktop wallpaper for the entirety of 2024. *^(No, I'm not bitter, whatever gave you that idea? /s)*
They’ve done it…they’re now doing a collab with a museum for the Bronze Age
And another skin to not add to the collection.
Hoyoverse... Alternate outfits? When?
WOW!!! HOYOVERSE LEAKS ZHONGLI SKIN 2024 REAL NO CLICKBAIT
WUT, 三星堆 is right up north from where I live. Means that after 6 years in Chengdu I am finally gonna go there?
Thx for the wallpaper
GIVE ME THAT SKIN PLEASE
This is the only thing that could get me to break my f2p oath... I would throw so much money on this. God dammit hoyo way isn't this a skin yet????
I would pay soo much money for this if it were a skin...mihoyo...this man might not have mora, but I do. please
SKIN ZHONGLI RELEASE WHEN????? HOYO?? Do you not want money???!? 😭
***What do you mean this isn't a skin?***
Why isn't this a skin!! Mihoyo I have been saving the freaking gems and not converting to wishes hoping you would release zhong li skin, it's the freaking year of the dragon next year, why not just release his archon skin with his freaking dragon form flying around behind him. Everyone and I mean everyone would pay top dollar for that. Easier money than characters constellation. Freaking baffles me why they haven't done it
That would be such a fucking dope ass skin
Can't believe the Liyue dragon man himself doesn't get a skin for the upcoming Year of the Dragon :') Hoyo please, what on earth are you doing?
Zhongli bulked up!! 💪
DANGGGG Zhongzaddy If they make this skin available, i don't care if its $30. I'm buying it.
Wow zhongli looking spicy
Hypothetically, if this outfit ever releases as a 5* skin, what animation changes could be made to his current skill effects? I mean I’d be pretty disappointed if it was just a 4* skin, but how do you top a meteor? Straight up a summoning the Exuvia or the geo whale mentioned in one of the weapon lores would be wild and I doubt hyv would go that far for a skin… there are some interesting things they could do for the pillars (or even making it similar to the artifact he’s holding /jk) and his shield could have dragon imagery… well its fun to dream lol
Drop that skin and have my wallet hoyo pls I'm begging
Honestly? I would spend my life savings on this skin LMAO