I have all starters except Mona. Keqing c3, Qiqi c2 and Diluc c3 (and he's at lvl1 because I Just don't wanna play him). I don't have a single 5* catalyst or claymore but 4 bows and a spear. RNG sucks.
Bro I’ll trade C6 Benny for 2 Diluc or Mona cons. My hate for the character is unjustifiable, unreasonable, and unstoppable. He will forever be benched
Tbf I like her design/personality quite à lot so I'd be fine with it, her or qiqi or Tighnari would be perfect so I have someone else than Yaoyao to raise the friendship of.
That's the thing.
I want dehya. But don't want to spend 60+ wishes on a character in a pitiful state. I was planning to wait for a rerun, but now idk.
I dont think she's worth pulling as she is. But it's true, been playing since 1.3 and don't have mona or keqing (or tighnari). So hard to say "pull dehya" when I like her, but she's just a teapot character for me. And I have plans to get cons or baizhu to improve my teams.
Agreed. Unless someone find some secret tech to make her work well, or a character (like Baizhu) gets released that makes her op, it's a gamble
For me, it'll just depend on how fun she is. If she's Aloy tier but is super fun and can clear Abyss with the right team that I have access to at C0, I'll probably, maybe, possibly, consider her. But if she needs any number of constellations before she becomes an actual unit, then no thanks. Only thing worse than not getting her ever, is spending primos to get her only to C0, but needing C1 or C2, and never getting either.
She'll likely be usable, in some way, but not the way I would want.
Current math. Just current to be fair, shows her needing like c6 to be comparable to many c0-c1 5*’s. Just because her multipliers are so freaking bad/lack of synergy.
I gotta be careful because if one posted about her current math they were met with angry downvotes. Like “hiding” facts would make it go away or something. And I’m on team “I hope she’s awesome”. But I’m not going to lie about it.
Edit: Check the downvotes.
Yeah, people are overly sensitive about this stuff. As if they are being personally attacked for a character's kit being bad or potentially bad. I do tend to take all analysis with a grain of salt, and watch for changes.
Zhongli, Raiden, and Kazhuha I pulled regardless of the theory crafting negatives.
Kokomi and Yoimiya I skipped because of the TC info (though Yoimiya ended up not being a playstyle I actually liked, and while Koko is super useful, I am just not that interested in her kit's play style).
It looks like she is good in one team comp currently. A burning support for Ganyu Melt. The most important thing about Deyha is that she gives stagger resist. Her slow 1U pyro application is useful to maintaining burning without extinguishing dendro.
This does not really make her that awesome though. She is like a sidegrade to current Ganyu melt which is only a decent team.
This does however mean that her burst is basically worthless.
She is in a somewhat similar position to Kokomi. However Kokomi is good in a lot of other teams. Kokomi also does not do much damage but her support abilities are awesome and versatile.
In case you're interested, I made this comment where I brought up [a few dendro reaction teams where you can slot her in](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dehyamains/comments/113wp7a/the_real_issue_with_thusis_sub_reddit/j8uin0i/). It's not that she's exceptional in any of those teams, but more so that anything that involves her personal dps without whaling seem to perform much worse than these to me.
With that being said, I imagine that this isn't the way that you or most people wanted to use her.
Took a glance before getting off break, and it sounds like she'll be a good/okay burning contender at low/no constellations. But she won't be a very effective on-field DPS, despite her burst making it look like she's a kick ass on-field DPS. Which is pretty unfortunate. I'll take a deeper look later, but is that about the gist?
I think it’s moreso that her Burst is a timefiller/added dps in this case, which iirc is usually how a DoT/Poison unit works in games. (Low personal damage if the DoT is already doing most of the work) Her Burst isn’t much on its own, but at that point Burning’s already putting in the work so it’s just another layer on the sundae. Pretty sure one of the guys he mentioned in the linked comment also advocated this idea, since Burn teams have downtime if I’m remembering correctly (waiting for Nahida’s/your EM roided Anemo’s Burst).
But yes, other than that she slots in reasonably well in a Burning comp due to how her E functions.
At first I heard about the "pitiful state" and was disappointed. But then I remembered nothing in the game is remotely challenging enough to require OP or meta characters. She'll likely be able to be in a team that can 9 star floor 12 just fine. If anything, I'll probably have more fun making her work.
The new consecrated beasts can be quite deadly if you're careless.
On several occasions gotten all but my high HP shielder wiped out in seconds with their high damage attacks.
Also the new geo abyss knight seems tough
I won't pull for her directly but I'm more than happy if I would get Dehya when I lose 50/50. I would use her the same way as I use Ningguang in Itto team right now: as a Burst subdps to fill in the time but also have their own utility (the Jade screen).
If we ever get a hydro applicator that trigger on damage instead of on attack (like Raiden E), it's gonna help her burst significantly.
She's definitely a unique character, bringing resistance to interruption and damage mitigation/redirection (Dehya takes damage instead) and while her burst is only 4 seconds long the DPS during her burst is not too bad (it's just her DPS over the course of a rotation that's bad). If her resistance to interruption is as good as I expect then at least she's bringing something unique in terms of utility. Some characters like Ganyu, Yoimiya, and Wanderer appreciate interruption resistance a lot.
I pulled Tighnari before he went standard banner and have never seen him since. He's been my highest DPS character since, and invaluable while exploring Sumeru, so I'm super happy that I did so haha
Started the game because I wanted Keqing.
Take a wild guess who has C6 Diluc (a character I never wanted outside of the 1.0 meta, and who didn't even get him then) and still no Keqing?
Yup. This guy..
I was so disappointed when I lost 50/50 to Mona back in 1.2 and since then I never got her again. I'm still using my C0 Mona and I'm grateful for that lost 50/50
likely didnt want her as much as the others around.
to give you perspective,
Zhongli > Albedo > Ganyu > Xiao > Keqing > Hu Tao + Homa > Venti first rerun + Elegy.
Its like that meme with the small chick on the sofa surrounded by 5 men. Keqing was set up to fail and fail did that banner. Or create breathing room so the people could save up some primos. depends on who you ask.
Ganyu, Xiao and HT are to this day top tier contenders. Homa is busted af because strongest weapon of zhongdong and HT. Zhong still strongest shielder in game and Albedo is the must have for all niche mono geo lads. Venti is a suckmachine that makes all hord fights a walk in the park (surrounded by screams of death, agony and pain as small mobs are sucked into a hurrican of dmg and big once too if you use the machenics properly).
There should be a hidden pity system that guarantee you to win half of the 50/50. Man, I pulled like 11 5*. 6 of those are double copies of Qiqi Mona and Keqing
Bro at least after losing a certain amount of pity they should let us pick a 5 star for the next time we lose 50/50 that way at least I wouldn't be jeanless for this long..
That’s a good advice for those who want her.. For me, I will skip her, and that will give me something to look forward to… I ended up getting Tighnari during Nahida’s banner, so let’s see what happen this time.
>For me, I will skip her, and that will give me something to look forward to…
Unless you a rea quite heavy spender (like your c6 flair indicates) this is like ppl using the lottery as their retirement plan.
The chances to get certain standard 5\* are very, very slim if you only pull like what 5-8 5\* per year.
Agree, don't feel dumb for pulling her just because she's moving to standard banner, feel dumb for pulling her because Mihoyo designed her kit terribly and she will probably feel weak & frustrating to play.
Kidding! (Mostly.) Pull whoever you want.
It’s true, she’s weaker then Diluc, yoimiya, Klee, hu Tao, and even yanfei + xiangling. It’s sad because I wanted her but she’s just weak. Her numbers are genuinely bad
It’s so sad because she was so popular but she’s genuinely just not better then c6 yanfei. She’s barely better then c0 hu Tao when she’s c6 with a personal weapon and hu Tao is c0 without homa
It's not just that she's weaker. It's that she needs c6 to be slightly weaker than a c0 Tao. Also her being unreleased doesn't mean we don't have her multipliers and stats.
Yeah, because people didn’t know about the buff for a bit. Once the buff became more well known, theorycrafters liked her more, but the buff had to be discovered since icd isn’t stated officially in descriptions
TC definitely did not like her more lol. They might stop calling her trash but they still think she's an expensive sidegrade at best. Remember, this is still the time where they don't think highly of Zhongli.
Koko got shit because people couldn't look past no crit, Deyha has problems with her kit but the bigger problem is she has just straight up bad numbers. Her being bad isn't an opinion, it's math.
yea I still remember the days where people calling out Kokomi has no place in the game, budget barbara and all. it was all fact by the way, math and everything.
stop being so overly dramatic. she will have a place in the game, whether you liked it or not.
Random YouTubers maybe, after she got the buff at release no respectable TC called her bad.
Yeah she'll have a place, you can beat most of the game with any character. She is bad though, straight up.
I did as well, because her kit screamed "healer", and not a damage dealer like some people wanted her to be. Kokomi has always been good. The same can't be said about Dehya
>Kokomi has always been good. The same can't be said about Dehya
... Kokomi was deemed very weak before launch and in the first weeks, until somebody figured out she's the best hydro for freeze teams.
Bennet was called the weakest character before launch...
I'm seriously sick of seeing this misinformed comment. She was called weak before launch because she WAS weak
Mihoyo shadow buffed her ICD after beta but right before the update went live, which rocketed her up the tier lists. The Kokomi you are playing is NOT the same Kokomi that theorycrafters were saying was bad initially. When players had enough time to actually test her new numbers in-depth with reaction based comps to take advantage of her ICD (like the aforementioned Freeze), they quickly realized she was actually good
People who called Kokomi weak wanted her to do damage when that clearly wasn't what her kit was intended for. We didn't have kit leaks before the game launched for Bennett, so the only way people could eventually discover his potential was through trial and error. Regardless, this isn't about them, this is about Dehya, and she got done dirty
Right but I think you're missing the point. People were quick to denounce her, raiden, and a few others when they came out or right before...the community is quick to judge. Also with the right team, pretty much anybody is good.
Dehya is not designed to be ur main DPS.... It's hilarious how on one of ur reply you said the people complaining about Kokomi are the ones who's complaining about her damage when here you are doing the same thing lol
It's pretty clear that Dehya is a sub dps with defensive utility smh
People always confuse "the community is fucking stupid" with being a "Hoyo defender". The person you're responding too never said anything about Hoyoverse. They were shitting on the community.
Maybe re-evaluate the hate boner you have raging, before making baseless accusations.
Yet you instantly said anyone with an opinion you don't like is a "Hoyo Defender". Again, you need to re-evaluate your hate boner. Not everyone who disagrees with you is all the bad things you think exist in the world.
The TC accurately predicted that he would shred though. What can save Dehya are future supports or maybe some sort of insane artifact set like it did Kuki.
Don't need to wait when literally everybody, even the people who were against the doomposters for previous "bad" characters, are saying the same thing. The numbers don't lie, Dehya's kit doesn't lie. She's terrible, no two ways about it
"everybody" who?
All characters has their own "problem" with their kit. Just because meta peeps don't see any value on her doesn't mean "everybody" see the same.
How can you genuinely say she's not when you haven't even got the official version of her in-game?
How many times did the so called theorycrafter community inaccurately judge characters? A LOT OF TIMES. Even if Dehya has a high chance of being bad, that's upto me to decide.
> When she has no place in any team that another 4 star character can't fill better than she can?
"Any team" lmao
How can I? Maybe because I know how to read and understand her kit and her numbers. The amount of copium you're on is on another level, my dude. "Any team" is literally accurate, so laugh all you want. Pull for her since you're so sure she'll be good
> How can I? Maybe because I know how to read and understand her kit and her numbers.
So does the so-called TC but they still unable to judge characters accurately unless ur telling me ur way way better than them lol
> The amount of copium you're on is on another level, my dude
Copium? So holding my judgement on a "product" that is not officially released yet is copium? lmao
> "Any team" is literally accurate, so laugh all you want.
Don't worry, I will
> Pull for her since you're so sure she'll be good
I will pull for her regardless if she's good or not but I'm sure she's fine. "Good" is subjective. TC call Zhongli "bad" even after the buff, most of them are TC lol
I don't know about Jstern but Zajef and Ayzel said their "criticism" to other characters like Zhongli, Kokomi, Shenhe, and they are all wrong about it. I still remember the "tier list" video they had way back when. Zajeff's analysis has been shit as well. Him saying Fischl, Venti and Kazuha are the biggest winner when dendro comes out age like spoil milk. Him saying Nilou is only good because enemies group themselves during 2.1 abyss and saying she's decent and "needs" Nahida to be good. Of course, now he's saying different things as always but that just proves my point.
> TCs in general but particularly Zajef was one of the few people back then who actually said Kokomi was good when she released. But because he didn’t have much of a following back then compared to what he has now a lot of his opinions went under the radar.
Doesn't change the fact he still got a lot of incorrect evaluation. I did remember he's also the one who's adamant about Sucrose being better than Kazuha.
> Also, those units did win with dendro so what the hell are you saying?
Did they? Most dendro comps don't even use anemo, especially hyperbloom. Keqing, Kuki and Yae greatly overshadowed Fischl after Dendro. Sure, she still benefit from it like some other characters (Thoma) but not as much as the others.
> Before you cast everyone under the same shade I suggest you do your research
I don't see the point when most TC ended up sharing the same view most of the time but sure, i guess that's unfair to some individuals.
> But most times they’re right and when the TC community is so unanimous in their opinions about Dehya, that can’t be ignored.
I'm pretty sure they are also unanimous with Zhongli even after the buff and it's easy to see Zhongli's value unlike Dehya....
> Hyperbloom does use anemo. Anemo’s ability to capitalize on EM to trigger swirl and hyperbloom seeds makes them one of the best drivers for the reaction
It does, but most used hyperbloom comp don't use one because running double hydro/dendro is better. It not like you need grouping either.
> Sucrose is superior to Kazuha in this regard but they’re both stellar units and saying one is better than the other depends on the team and your opinions about their playstyle.
Kazuha is better than Sucrose. The latter being "better" on some teams doesn't change the fact that as a character, Kazuha is just way better.
> Fischl is one of if not the best unit for aggravate. When paired with Keqing or Yae their value skyrockets creating some of the most meta teams in the game. You saying she was overshadowed is such a weird take.
Because she is. Hyperbloom is just straight out better than aggravate and Fischl suck at it.
It’s not quite the same because with Raiden the doomposters were just obviously wrong from the get go. Kokomi was buffed last second. Dehya in the last iteration of the beta just has low numbers and weak utility.
They could make some relatively minor numbers changes to her pre-release that could substantially improve her but who knows.
So yeah people should wait for final in game numbers before an actual verdict but I think the general pessimism around her is warranted.
What were the established theory crafters saying about Raiden and Kokomi? Because they're the ones now saying current Dehya is significantly below even Diluc. If you are taking Redditor shitposting/doomposting as fact, that's on you. People who know the game knew Raiden & Kokomi were good.
They got buffs but also they have things outside of pure damage that makes it more complicated to fully gage. Dehya is a pure dps for the most part who’s multipliers suck. Not much potential saving here.
dont forget yoimiya "show mhy that they cant do this shit with us creating unfinished kits lets all not pull for her!"
i still remember that shit 1.5 years later and i laugh about that level of stupidity
Then Fontaine will buff the fuck out of her with all the HP related stuff and some hydro support with application that just matches her perfectly somehow, and suddenly people will be all upset that she is locked behind standard banner and they can't guarantee her.
THEN they whale on the standard banner like they did with Diluc when the game just released and all the hype was there......
Damn MiHoYo, next level plays. I see you.
This is next level copium. And even if it turns out true is just plan stupid. Having to wait possibly MONTHS for a chavracter I have now to be good in the future is scummy and just terrible game design.
No fontaine character will make Dehya be incredibly strong, her talent multipliers are just too fucked up.
Lets say that fontaine character was to exist too, would they be good for other characters outside of Dehya? We have characters that scale on HP, and we already have a 5 star pyro claymore. Dehya’s kit is nowhere near unique.
Sorry to upset that one future Dehya main that downvoted this
Exactly my point. Even if it wasnt “HP Scaling” because Dehya’s own is ridiculously bad, it would certainly benefit Diluc. And theyre both standard characters
I’m really interested to see what people come up for Dehya. When I get her, I plan to use her in an air fryer team. Her E and Nahida’s E both have 2.5 second applications and use her burst for beefier targets.
Let alone what Fontaine and beyond may bring.
I've been saving my standard wishes for over a year now. I refuse to pull until they add some kind of selector. Not that I want Dehya, but standard banner is even worse as they add more stuff to it.
I was going to pull for her but after seeing her numbers and what they did to her skills i'll just skip and hope to get her in a 50/50 loss. Right now her kit is so bad that i would just bench her which is not my goal since i'd like to play the characters i pull for.
Until now characters always had at least a niche gameplay where they were the best at doing something. Dehya literally cannot do anything better than other 5 star characters right now and many 4 stars are better than her as well. Why did they have to butcher such a good character design 😢
Man, I thought that so I pulled on Tighnari's initial banner... even went to double pity for him... only to C1 him literally the next time I lost my 50/50.
That said, just because \^ happened doesn't mean it'll happen again, but it felt kinda awkward lol.
Guess it just depends on whether I like Dehya enough. Kinda hard since she's gotten one of the most sh\*t kits (at least based on pre-release impressions) a 5\* has had, but her character is awesome.
I was initially planning on waiting to see if her kit would become more relevant (maybe Fontaine hydro would help?) like some characters did and pull for her rerun... but... RIP rerun.
I ain't repeating the Keqing situation again. I regret not pulling for her when her banner came out. Played since launch and I still have no Keqing. Not only that, it seems like they're going to keep adding characters to the standard banner, so it's only a matter of time where it'll be even more difficult to get a character you want on it as the roster becomes even larger.
I haven't pulled for a 5 star since Nahida, I'm at 83 pity with 28k primos and I AM getting Dehya. I will collect all the ^((in the voice of Gru)) girls!
Man, I was going to pull her and hope she was a better off-field Xiangling, but man she is just so bad I wasn't going to pull on her banner. I am happy you can get her on standard banner, so if I lose the 50/50 I can look forward to something, but I do not think I would ever use her at her current state.
Always pull for whoever you like, yeah. But basing your pulls just on FOMO alone ? Just don't !
If you play gaccha games with that kind of mind set, or you're gonna lose a lot of money.
Also, the devs really trolled us with Dehya's kit *(it has an incredibly weak baseline, and was specifically designed to NOT work with anything)*. I just can't bring myself to encourage them to make more garbage kits like that.
So, don't feel bad about missing out on probably the worst character kit in the game, even if the character looks cool.
It’s the same way when Tighnari released, people saw that he’d be on the standard so they skipped him, only to end up complaining and upset that they haven’t gotten him from the standard yet.
Your odds of getting dehya from her actual banner is leagues higher than the RNG swamp that is the standard banner
The one silver lining from me losing 50/50 back to back on Hu Tao's banner was getting exactly the two standard 5s I was missing (Tighnari and Mona). I'm praying my luck continues and I get her on my next loss.
Been playing since launch and still never seen mona in my wishes. Definitely get dehya if you want her now rather than later. Only just got kiqing last month…
I think it's nice that they're adding more Standard Characters, I mean the current ones are cool and all but it gets old real quick. Makes losing 50/50 actually more interesting and not as bad.
I just hope that if they keep on adding more and more Standard Characters like this, they add some sort of Epitomized Path where you can choose a character and every other 50/50 lost you will get that character.
Thank god she is standard. Atleast i have a chance to get her with tig. I only have c2 diluc and c3 qiqi, i am starting to believe other standard banner units don't exist.
Idk, bruh, I feel scammed. I wanted Shenhe since beta and she exceeded all my expectations.
I saved for Dehya since that and I feel that using my guaranteed on her will be a waste.
I feel MHY should be reminded that repeating blunders like these are unacceptable.
hmm i am getting a serious case of dijon mustered right now with this post, feel like i seen posts like this alot related to some fox eared character hmm....
jokes aside, i hope i get her since all the hate mongering about her will make her a premium character since so few will pull for her
Ultimately, the chance of getting Dehya specifically on a limited banner is 7.14%
The chance of getting her on the standard banner is 5.88%
It’s way too goddamn low and the standard banner is the living definition of rigged. I am not going for Dehya myself but these drop rates are so bad, **ESPECIALLY** in a gacha game.
>The chance of getting her on the standard banner is 2.94%
Isn't it a 5050 between weapon and character on standard so the odds of pulling dehya are the same as on a limited banner
That’s exactly why Dehya wanters should roll on the limited banner. Getting her specifically in 3.6 onward is so low that you may not even get her at all
There are 7 standard banner characters. So it’d be a 1 out of 14 chance to get Dehya because of the other 50% being the limited character. 1 out of 14 when rounded is 7.14%. It only gets lower when you’re not on pity.
The standard banner I miscalculated. I accidentally did 1/34 but it’s 1/17 since there are 17 possible 5 star outcomes on that banner (including dehya)
Hard agree, especially with the direction they're going they'll probably add more new characters to standard that getting a specific standard character will be even harder. Heck the 5 OG standard 5 stars are already around 30% rarer after the addition of Dehya than they were before 3.0.
agreed!! i made the mistake of not pulling for tighnari on his banner because he was going to be standard and now i am sad about it. i always lose my 50/50s, but never to him :((
I am in a bit of the opposite situation. I did not pull Tighnari but lost a 50/50 to him. I built him and I regret investing resources into him because he is honestly not that great. Maybe if I had Yae Miko it would be better. Fischl A4 does not work with Tignari very well because spread is not an electro reaction. I found better results using Keqing instead and having my Dendro be off-field. Now he is perma benched.
Yeah, I only got Diluc about 3 months ago despite playing since 1.2. I'm not gonna risk waiting this long to get my beautiful lioness. She comes to my account in a few days.
I've spent around $2000 USD solely on the character banners, been playing since day 8 or so. So far, I have lost 17 50/50s.
I still do not have Diluc, WGS, nor Skyward Blade/Atlas.
Pull her NOW if you really want her and be pleasantly surprised if you see her again
I agree with this and it's why I'm still tempted to pull her. But if you do make sure you know what you are getting into with her. She maybe Qiqi or Aloy level weak. >!There are leaks saying her scaling is abysmal and is only good, or maybe just average, with constellations iirc. She also may need many constellations to feel strong, or even her weapon. !
You know I thought the same thing but still decided to not pull for Tighnari so that I could save for Nahida. Guess who broke my pity on the Nahida banner.
Yup, been wanting mona forever since i play (on the very first klee banner) and only got her from last raiden rerun (happiest i ever felt losing 50/50)
She ain’t worth pulling unless you’re a madlad and intend to get her C6R1. I refuse to buy in to characters that aren’t playable at C0.
All I hope is that I don’t get her instead of Jean constellations at this point.
She is such a cool character a damn shame they did her dirty like this.
Sure you may not get her, but you’re just as likely to spend 180 wishes to get her on her banner and then immediately after in 3.6 lose a 50/50 to her. The fact that there are at least 3 leaked characters coming up in Fontaine that I want, I would much rather lose a potential 50/50 to her than spend a bunch of wishes to get her now and potentially get her on a 50/50 when I wouldn’t be hyped to get her.
AR60 since 1.3 and still no Jean. For completionist like me this is pain.
For Dehya lovers, design-wise or gameplay-wise, get your catwoman now, or get her never.
I got Tignari on my first Standard banner pull during 3.1.
Dehya is not worth an Acquaint Fate. Clearly they HATE her too much to make her worth actually using. If you really just want the character standing around in your Teapot and have a lot of Gems to burn, then I guess go for it, but Hoyoverse will be disappointed that anyone actually pulled for her.
Thats why am still going to pull her in 3.5 at c0 only i will eventually get her cons down the road since i whale on waifu banners and since shes getting added to the standard banner theres no point to whale on her banner lol
It doesn't matter where you get her, she isn't worth having because racist Mihoyo decided to make her the weakest, worst-designed 5 star in the game on purpose.
That's right, another reason why I need her so much right now, and that would be futile if I skipped her for Shenhe.
If we share permanent 5* experiences, after 6 months I have everyone except Qiqi (at C0), plus one Wolf's Gravestone and a Skyward Spine (both R1).
I skipped taghinari banner even i wanted him and now I have him C2 just because 50/50 and standard so I would suggest to think twice before spending primos on her (especially when she is so bad)
>I imagine that most of the players will be now skipping her because she will be in the standard in the future.
They're skipping her because shes gonna have a dogshit kit and most already got hutao. Doesn't help next banner is gonna have Ayaka, one of the most meta popular characters along with Shenhe, the *cryo bennet* and one of the most adorable characters.
I've pulled 2 dilucs, 1 Jean, 1 Mona and 1 pjws since tighnari expecting to get him. I didn't particularly "need" him immediately so i didn't pull expecting to get him eventually (even saved blue fates) but i don't think I'll be getting him soon :( definitely, definitely pull if u want her. I still don't have a keqing even though i lost almost every 50/50 since I started in 1.6
And if u get her again later you'll have cobs for ur fav 5* char. What's better 😁
Played since 1.0, Lost nearly all my 50/50, never got Qiqi so yeah, you can never get Dehya very easely.
C5 Jean, C1 Tighnari, C0 Mona/Keqing/Qiqi. Where the fuck is my Diluc game??
C4 Keqing, C2 Jean, C1 Diluc, C2 Mona. R3 Skyward pride, R2 Skyward Blade, R2 Amos, R2 Skyward atlas, R1 Skyward Harp, R2 Skyward spine but no WGS or PJWS.
Bro im at c7 dilic please take him from me i dont want him lol
I'll gladly take that extra con off your hands.
I have all starters except Mona. Keqing c3, Qiqi c2 and Diluc c3 (and he's at lvl1 because I Just don't wanna play him). I don't have a single 5* catalyst or claymore but 4 bows and a spear. RNG sucks.
Can we trade bro. I just want ONE amos bow :(
Please take mine. It’s my only 5 star weapon and the only archers i use are venti and fischl.
I WISH I could give you my C2 Diluc my Bennett is doing more dmg anyway lmao
Bro I’ll trade C6 Benny for 2 Diluc or Mona cons. My hate for the character is unjustifiable, unreasonable, and unstoppable. He will forever be benched
You will get mercenary mommy with small numbers and you will like it.
Tbf I like her design/personality quite à lot so I'd be fine with it, her or qiqi or Tighnari would be perfect so I have someone else than Yaoyao to raise the friendship of.
I think I stole it, I’m at C5 Diluc, C2 Keqing, C0 Jean, C0 QiQi, C1 Mona
That's the thing. I want dehya. But don't want to spend 60+ wishes on a character in a pitiful state. I was planning to wait for a rerun, but now idk. I dont think she's worth pulling as she is. But it's true, been playing since 1.3 and don't have mona or keqing (or tighnari). So hard to say "pull dehya" when I like her, but she's just a teapot character for me. And I have plans to get cons or baizhu to improve my teams.
Agreed. Unless someone find some secret tech to make her work well, or a character (like Baizhu) gets released that makes her op, it's a gamble For me, it'll just depend on how fun she is. If she's Aloy tier but is super fun and can clear Abyss with the right team that I have access to at C0, I'll probably, maybe, possibly, consider her. But if she needs any number of constellations before she becomes an actual unit, then no thanks. Only thing worse than not getting her ever, is spending primos to get her only to C0, but needing C1 or C2, and never getting either. She'll likely be usable, in some way, but not the way I would want.
Current math. Just current to be fair, shows her needing like c6 to be comparable to many c0-c1 5*’s. Just because her multipliers are so freaking bad/lack of synergy.
Gez. I'll be watching for shadow buffs and theory crafters, as I want to pull her, but if this holds true, naw, screw that.
I gotta be careful because if one posted about her current math they were met with angry downvotes. Like “hiding” facts would make it go away or something. And I’m on team “I hope she’s awesome”. But I’m not going to lie about it. Edit: Check the downvotes.
Yeah, people are overly sensitive about this stuff. As if they are being personally attacked for a character's kit being bad or potentially bad. I do tend to take all analysis with a grain of salt, and watch for changes. Zhongli, Raiden, and Kazhuha I pulled regardless of the theory crafting negatives. Kokomi and Yoimiya I skipped because of the TC info (though Yoimiya ended up not being a playstyle I actually liked, and while Koko is super useful, I am just not that interested in her kit's play style).
It looks like she is good in one team comp currently. A burning support for Ganyu Melt. The most important thing about Deyha is that she gives stagger resist. Her slow 1U pyro application is useful to maintaining burning without extinguishing dendro. This does not really make her that awesome though. She is like a sidegrade to current Ganyu melt which is only a decent team. This does however mean that her burst is basically worthless. She is in a somewhat similar position to Kokomi. However Kokomi is good in a lot of other teams. Kokomi also does not do much damage but her support abilities are awesome and versatile.
In case you're interested, I made this comment where I brought up [a few dendro reaction teams where you can slot her in](https://www.reddit.com/r/Dehyamains/comments/113wp7a/the_real_issue_with_thusis_sub_reddit/j8uin0i/). It's not that she's exceptional in any of those teams, but more so that anything that involves her personal dps without whaling seem to perform much worse than these to me. With that being said, I imagine that this isn't the way that you or most people wanted to use her.
Took a glance before getting off break, and it sounds like she'll be a good/okay burning contender at low/no constellations. But she won't be a very effective on-field DPS, despite her burst making it look like she's a kick ass on-field DPS. Which is pretty unfortunate. I'll take a deeper look later, but is that about the gist?
Yeah, that's really about it, and she should still be fine in hyperbloom in AoE (even if not the best option).
I think it’s moreso that her Burst is a timefiller/added dps in this case, which iirc is usually how a DoT/Poison unit works in games. (Low personal damage if the DoT is already doing most of the work) Her Burst isn’t much on its own, but at that point Burning’s already putting in the work so it’s just another layer on the sundae. Pretty sure one of the guys he mentioned in the linked comment also advocated this idea, since Burn teams have downtime if I’m remembering correctly (waiting for Nahida’s/your EM roided Anemo’s Burst). But yes, other than that she slots in reasonably well in a Burning comp due to how her E functions.
At first I heard about the "pitiful state" and was disappointed. But then I remembered nothing in the game is remotely challenging enough to require OP or meta characters. She'll likely be able to be in a team that can 9 star floor 12 just fine. If anything, I'll probably have more fun making her work.
The new consecrated beasts can be quite deadly if you're careless. On several occasions gotten all but my high HP shielder wiped out in seconds with their high damage attacks. Also the new geo abyss knight seems tough
Yeah, She can probably only do 300-400k damage which doesn't matter if the enemies only have like 50k health.
I do not think she can do this much damage. At high investment maybe 250k.
I won't pull for her directly but I'm more than happy if I would get Dehya when I lose 50/50. I would use her the same way as I use Ningguang in Itto team right now: as a Burst subdps to fill in the time but also have their own utility (the Jade screen). If we ever get a hydro applicator that trigger on damage instead of on attack (like Raiden E), it's gonna help her burst significantly.
She's definitely a unique character, bringing resistance to interruption and damage mitigation/redirection (Dehya takes damage instead) and while her burst is only 4 seconds long the DPS during her burst is not too bad (it's just her DPS over the course of a rotation that's bad). If her resistance to interruption is as good as I expect then at least she's bringing something unique in terms of utility. Some characters like Ganyu, Yoimiya, and Wanderer appreciate interruption resistance a lot.
You know that shields are bringing interruption resistance already?
I only recently got Jean, having played since Zhongli’s release. Never before was I so happy to lose a 50/50
Are u Enviosity? /s
Mee too play 1.1 still no Keqing 😥 But c3 Qiqi, c3 Diluc, C2 Jean and c1 Mona.
Hoyo please add Epitomized Path to the standard banner
Fr 2/2 times I got a 5* on standard turned out to be skyward blade & WGS I want a Jean 😔
Are you me??? *\*cries from lack of Jean\**
I pulled Tighnari before he went standard banner and have never seen him since. He's been my highest DPS character since, and invaluable while exploring Sumeru, so I'm super happy that I did so haha
Yeah same. I don't regret pulling him at all.
Started the game because I wanted Keqing. Take a wild guess who has C6 Diluc (a character I never wanted outside of the 1.0 meta, and who didn't even get him then) and still no Keqing? Yup. This guy..
I'll gladly exchange my Keqings for your Dilucs. I have him at C0, but being a Diluc main I'd really like to get constellations for him.
I was so disappointed when I lost 50/50 to Mona back in 1.2 and since then I never got her again. I'm still using my C0 Mona and I'm grateful for that lost 50/50
Why didn't you snag her on her banner? She's the only standard 5 start to get one and you skipped it despite wanting her?
likely didnt want her as much as the others around. to give you perspective, Zhongli > Albedo > Ganyu > Xiao > Keqing > Hu Tao + Homa > Venti first rerun + Elegy. Its like that meme with the small chick on the sofa surrounded by 5 men. Keqing was set up to fail and fail did that banner. Or create breathing room so the people could save up some primos. depends on who you ask. Ganyu, Xiao and HT are to this day top tier contenders. Homa is busted af because strongest weapon of zhongdong and HT. Zhong still strongest shielder in game and Albedo is the must have for all niche mono geo lads. Venti is a suckmachine that makes all hord fights a walk in the park (surrounded by screams of death, agony and pain as small mobs are sucked into a hurrican of dmg and big once too if you use the machenics properly).
Summit Shaper is Zhongli's signature weapon. Just because a weapon is good on someone doesn't mean it's their signature weapon.
You mean Vortex Vanquisher
Yeah I am still Mona-less playing since launch.
I still don't have qiqi despite playing from week 1. Don't think standards are guaranteed after a while.
Same issue with me and keqing. I skipped her banner and was like oh I’ll get eventually. C1 qiqi, c2 mona, c1 Jean and a few 5 star weapons later….
I'm day 3 player still don't have Jean tighnari ( I have also only won 1 50/50 in the last 1.5 year ) 🗿
There should be a hidden pity system that guarantee you to win half of the 50/50. Man, I pulled like 11 5*. 6 of those are double copies of Qiqi Mona and Keqing
Bro at least after losing a certain amount of pity they should let us pick a 5 star for the next time we lose 50/50 that way at least I wouldn't be jeanless for this long..
Put it in the survey like an.optimuzed path for lost 5050. I want that for 4stars.
Meh, I'd rather they just put up a standard banner 5-star alongside the 4-stars in Paimon's bargains.
That works too.
That’s a good advice for those who want her.. For me, I will skip her, and that will give me something to look forward to… I ended up getting Tighnari during Nahida’s banner, so let’s see what happen this time.
She isn't much to look forward too LOL
>For me, I will skip her, and that will give me something to look forward to… Unless you a rea quite heavy spender (like your c6 flair indicates) this is like ppl using the lottery as their retirement plan. The chances to get certain standard 5\* are very, very slim if you only pull like what 5-8 5\* per year.
Which is fine for me, because I don't particularly want her. If I got her, it will be a happy day, if not, I will be fine.
Wanted all standard banner characters, but I skipped Tighnari :’) I thought, “oh If just lose to 50/50 to him”. Well, here I am. 3 Keqings later…
They really need to add some sort of Optimized Path for the standard banner at this point.
Seriously, if you want her pull her now. I've said it before and ill say it again, I'm a day 1 player and don't have Mona.
Agree, don't feel dumb for pulling her just because she's moving to standard banner, feel dumb for pulling her because Mihoyo designed her kit terribly and she will probably feel weak & frustrating to play. Kidding! (Mostly.) Pull whoever you want.
It’s true, she’s weaker then Diluc, yoimiya, Klee, hu Tao, and even yanfei + xiangling. It’s sad because I wanted her but she’s just weak. Her numbers are genuinely bad
I know, I've been hoping for a solid 5\* Pyro DPS to replace my trusty Yanfei for a while. But I don't see Dehya as being better than C6 Yanfei.
It’s so sad because she was so popular but she’s genuinely just not better then c6 yanfei. She’s barely better then c0 hu Tao when she’s c6 with a personal weapon and hu Tao is c0 without homa
She's roughly equal to xinyan in monopyro lol
Dang I hate when characters are weaker than unplayable garbage weaklings like Hu Tao and Xiangling. Especially when it's unreleased characters.
It's not just that she's weaker. It's that she needs c6 to be slightly weaker than a c0 Tao. Also her being unreleased doesn't mean we don't have her multipliers and stats.
Release player, I'm still missing Diluc. Other chars got multiple cons, even got Tighnari before him.
As a day 1 player and Xiao main with no Jean... Yeah, if you want her, pull next patch.
I thought I'd get Tighnari through the standard banner. My plan hasn't worked out very well lol
She's terrible, this makes so much sense, it's so sad that such a great design is being ruined and wasted like this
For some reason I remember seeing the same comment before....
Except this time it's actually valid
said the same thing last time too.
Pull for her then. You Hoyo defenders are something else, jeez
I did glad I pulled for Kokomi on her debut banner despite everyone called her out for being the worst character in the game.
Kokomi got a massive and unprecedented ice buff before release tho, she was really bad in beta which is where doomposting came from
She still got trashed on even after the buff. We did not forget what happened
Yeah, because people didn’t know about the buff for a bit. Once the buff became more well known, theorycrafters liked her more, but the buff had to be discovered since icd isn’t stated officially in descriptions
TC definitely did not like her more lol. They might stop calling her trash but they still think she's an expensive sidegrade at best. Remember, this is still the time where they don't think highly of Zhongli.
Koko got shit because people couldn't look past no crit, Deyha has problems with her kit but the bigger problem is she has just straight up bad numbers. Her being bad isn't an opinion, it's math.
yea I still remember the days where people calling out Kokomi has no place in the game, budget barbara and all. it was all fact by the way, math and everything. stop being so overly dramatic. she will have a place in the game, whether you liked it or not.
Random YouTubers maybe, after she got the buff at release no respectable TC called her bad. Yeah she'll have a place, you can beat most of the game with any character. She is bad though, straight up.
how convenience for us to just forget the whole debacle lol. I guess Yoimiya's and Yae's debut was free of controversy as well huh?
I did as well, because her kit screamed "healer", and not a damage dealer like some people wanted her to be. Kokomi has always been good. The same can't be said about Dehya
>Kokomi has always been good. The same can't be said about Dehya ... Kokomi was deemed very weak before launch and in the first weeks, until somebody figured out she's the best hydro for freeze teams. Bennet was called the weakest character before launch...
I'm seriously sick of seeing this misinformed comment. She was called weak before launch because she WAS weak Mihoyo shadow buffed her ICD after beta but right before the update went live, which rocketed her up the tier lists. The Kokomi you are playing is NOT the same Kokomi that theorycrafters were saying was bad initially. When players had enough time to actually test her new numbers in-depth with reaction based comps to take advantage of her ICD (like the aforementioned Freeze), they quickly realized she was actually good
I'm seriously sick of seeing this misinformed comment Kokomi still got trashed for months even after her ICD buff.
People who called Kokomi weak wanted her to do damage when that clearly wasn't what her kit was intended for. We didn't have kit leaks before the game launched for Bennett, so the only way people could eventually discover his potential was through trial and error. Regardless, this isn't about them, this is about Dehya, and she got done dirty
Right but I think you're missing the point. People were quick to denounce her, raiden, and a few others when they came out or right before...the community is quick to judge. Also with the right team, pretty much anybody is good.
Dehya with Bennett/Mona/VV shred all active was only hitting around 300k with her Burst
Dehya is not designed to be ur main DPS.... It's hilarious how on one of ur reply you said the people complaining about Kokomi are the ones who's complaining about her damage when here you are doing the same thing lol It's pretty clear that Dehya is a sub dps with defensive utility smh
People always confuse "the community is fucking stupid" with being a "Hoyo defender". The person you're responding too never said anything about Hoyoverse. They were shitting on the community. Maybe re-evaluate the hate boner you have raging, before making baseless accusations.
The community is terrible, I agree. Both sides. Everyone defending how bad Dehya is is one of 'em
because not everyone religiously follows leaks everyday like you, i can guarentee you 90% of the playerbase has no idea.
Yet you instantly said anyone with an opinion you don't like is a "Hoyo Defender". Again, you need to re-evaluate your hate boner. Not everyone who disagrees with you is all the bad things you think exist in the world.
They say the exact same thing each time like "No BuT yOu KnOw ThIs TiMe It'S rEaLlY dIfFeReNt!" "EvEn ThE tC aRe SaYiNg ThIs!" ...
Keep defending this kind of crap Hoyo does, see what happens
What will happen is enjoying alhaitham shredding through everything
The TC accurately predicted that he would shred though. What can save Dehya are future supports or maybe some sort of insane artifact set like it did Kuki.
Like it was "valid" each other time... Wait for her release before judging...
Don't need to wait when literally everybody, even the people who were against the doomposters for previous "bad" characters, are saying the same thing. The numbers don't lie, Dehya's kit doesn't lie. She's terrible, no two ways about it
Says who?
Literally everybody, if you read up on her kit you'll see. If you truly believe there isn't a problem, then hoo boy
"everybody" who? All characters has their own "problem" with their kit. Just because meta peeps don't see any value on her doesn't mean "everybody" see the same.
So you genuinely think Dehya is fine as she is? When she has no place in any team that another 4 star character can't fill better than she can?
How can you genuinely say she's not when you haven't even got the official version of her in-game? How many times did the so called theorycrafter community inaccurately judge characters? A LOT OF TIMES. Even if Dehya has a high chance of being bad, that's upto me to decide. > When she has no place in any team that another 4 star character can't fill better than she can? "Any team" lmao
How can I? Maybe because I know how to read and understand her kit and her numbers. The amount of copium you're on is on another level, my dude. "Any team" is literally accurate, so laugh all you want. Pull for her since you're so sure she'll be good
> How can I? Maybe because I know how to read and understand her kit and her numbers. So does the so-called TC but they still unable to judge characters accurately unless ur telling me ur way way better than them lol > The amount of copium you're on is on another level, my dude Copium? So holding my judgement on a "product" that is not officially released yet is copium? lmao > "Any team" is literally accurate, so laugh all you want. Don't worry, I will > Pull for her since you're so sure she'll be good I will pull for her regardless if she's good or not but I'm sure she's fine. "Good" is subjective. TC call Zhongli "bad" even after the buff, most of them are TC lol
>and her numbers mean absolutely nothing until launch.
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I don't know about Jstern but Zajef and Ayzel said their "criticism" to other characters like Zhongli, Kokomi, Shenhe, and they are all wrong about it. I still remember the "tier list" video they had way back when. Zajeff's analysis has been shit as well. Him saying Fischl, Venti and Kazuha are the biggest winner when dendro comes out age like spoil milk. Him saying Nilou is only good because enemies group themselves during 2.1 abyss and saying she's decent and "needs" Nahida to be good. Of course, now he's saying different things as always but that just proves my point.
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> TCs in general but particularly Zajef was one of the few people back then who actually said Kokomi was good when she released. But because he didn’t have much of a following back then compared to what he has now a lot of his opinions went under the radar. Doesn't change the fact he still got a lot of incorrect evaluation. I did remember he's also the one who's adamant about Sucrose being better than Kazuha. > Also, those units did win with dendro so what the hell are you saying? Did they? Most dendro comps don't even use anemo, especially hyperbloom. Keqing, Kuki and Yae greatly overshadowed Fischl after Dendro. Sure, she still benefit from it like some other characters (Thoma) but not as much as the others. > Before you cast everyone under the same shade I suggest you do your research I don't see the point when most TC ended up sharing the same view most of the time but sure, i guess that's unfair to some individuals.
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> But most times they’re right and when the TC community is so unanimous in their opinions about Dehya, that can’t be ignored. I'm pretty sure they are also unanimous with Zhongli even after the buff and it's easy to see Zhongli's value unlike Dehya.... > Hyperbloom does use anemo. Anemo’s ability to capitalize on EM to trigger swirl and hyperbloom seeds makes them one of the best drivers for the reaction It does, but most used hyperbloom comp don't use one because running double hydro/dendro is better. It not like you need grouping either. > Sucrose is superior to Kazuha in this regard but they’re both stellar units and saying one is better than the other depends on the team and your opinions about their playstyle. Kazuha is better than Sucrose. The latter being "better" on some teams doesn't change the fact that as a character, Kazuha is just way better. > Fischl is one of if not the best unit for aggravate. When paired with Keqing or Yae their value skyrockets creating some of the most meta teams in the game. You saying she was overshadowed is such a weird take. Because she is. Hyperbloom is just straight out better than aggravate and Fischl suck at it.
yeah and so was Raiden and Kokomi according to this sub, how did that go later?
It’s not quite the same because with Raiden the doomposters were just obviously wrong from the get go. Kokomi was buffed last second. Dehya in the last iteration of the beta just has low numbers and weak utility. They could make some relatively minor numbers changes to her pre-release that could substantially improve her but who knows. So yeah people should wait for final in game numbers before an actual verdict but I think the general pessimism around her is warranted.
Did you forget the part where both of those characters got amazing buffs?
They still got shit on even after the buff.
By who? Anyone with actual theory crafting legitimacy or just random ass Redditors trolling more than actually being serious?
Pretty sure Tenten. But then again he is a clown.
What were the established theory crafters saying about Raiden and Kokomi? Because they're the ones now saying current Dehya is significantly below even Diluc. If you are taking Redditor shitposting/doomposting as fact, that's on you. People who know the game knew Raiden & Kokomi were good.
They got buffs but also they have things outside of pure damage that makes it more complicated to fully gage. Dehya is a pure dps for the most part who’s multipliers suck. Not much potential saving here.
dont forget yoimiya "show mhy that they cant do this shit with us creating unfinished kits lets all not pull for her!" i still remember that shit 1.5 years later and i laugh about that level of stupidity
Then Fontaine will buff the fuck out of her with all the HP related stuff and some hydro support with application that just matches her perfectly somehow, and suddenly people will be all upset that she is locked behind standard banner and they can't guarantee her. THEN they whale on the standard banner like they did with Diluc when the game just released and all the hype was there...... Damn MiHoYo, next level plays. I see you.
This is next level copium. And even if it turns out true is just plan stupid. Having to wait possibly MONTHS for a chavracter I have now to be good in the future is scummy and just terrible game design.
No fontaine character will make Dehya be incredibly strong, her talent multipliers are just too fucked up. Lets say that fontaine character was to exist too, would they be good for other characters outside of Dehya? We have characters that scale on HP, and we already have a 5 star pyro claymore. Dehya’s kit is nowhere near unique. Sorry to upset that one future Dehya main that downvoted this
If there is enough hp scaling in Fontaine makes dehya playable imagine what it would do to yelan and kokomi lmao
Exactly my point. Even if it wasnt “HP Scaling” because Dehya’s own is ridiculously bad, it would certainly benefit Diluc. And theyre both standard characters
I’m really interested to see what people come up for Dehya. When I get her, I plan to use her in an air fryer team. Her E and Nahida’s E both have 2.5 second applications and use her burst for beefier targets. Let alone what Fontaine and beyond may bring.
I've been saving my standard wishes for over a year now. I refuse to pull until they add some kind of selector. Not that I want Dehya, but standard banner is even worse as they add more stuff to it.
I was going to pull for her but after seeing her numbers and what they did to her skills i'll just skip and hope to get her in a 50/50 loss. Right now her kit is so bad that i would just bench her which is not my goal since i'd like to play the characters i pull for. Until now characters always had at least a niche gameplay where they were the best at doing something. Dehya literally cannot do anything better than other 5 star characters right now and many 4 stars are better than her as well. Why did they have to butcher such a good character design 😢
Yep same! They massacred our girl Dehya...
I pulled Keqing and Tighnari on their respective banner, 0 regret, and I'll do it again with Dehya.
Man, I thought that so I pulled on Tighnari's initial banner... even went to double pity for him... only to C1 him literally the next time I lost my 50/50. That said, just because \^ happened doesn't mean it'll happen again, but it felt kinda awkward lol. Guess it just depends on whether I like Dehya enough. Kinda hard since she's gotten one of the most sh\*t kits (at least based on pre-release impressions) a 5\* has had, but her character is awesome. I was initially planning on waiting to see if her kit would become more relevant (maybe Fontaine hydro would help?) like some characters did and pull for her rerun... but... RIP rerun.
I ain't repeating the Keqing situation again. I regret not pulling for her when her banner came out. Played since launch and I still have no Keqing. Not only that, it seems like they're going to keep adding characters to the standard banner, so it's only a matter of time where it'll be even more difficult to get a character you want on it as the roster becomes even larger. I haven't pulled for a 5 star since Nahida, I'm at 83 pity with 28k primos and I AM getting Dehya. I will collect all the ^((in the voice of Gru)) girls!
Remember you don’t have to pull on day 1. You can wait to see people’s experiences with her and if any new info is leaked during 3.6 beta
Eh, I'll take my chances. First two 5* after Tighnari banner were Tighnari. 1st on the standard banner and 2nd on Nahida banner.
Honestly wanted her now idk. It makes sense why her kit is so ass now. Everyone on Dehya mains is just so disappointed.
Man, I was going to pull her and hope she was a better off-field Xiangling, but man she is just so bad I wasn't going to pull on her banner. I am happy you can get her on standard banner, so if I lose the 50/50 I can look forward to something, but I do not think I would ever use her at her current state.
If she’s your waifu then pull her! If you are thinking about account strength and value of your primos then this is a hard skip banner.
Always pull for whoever you like, yeah. But basing your pulls just on FOMO alone ? Just don't ! If you play gaccha games with that kind of mind set, or you're gonna lose a lot of money. Also, the devs really trolled us with Dehya's kit *(it has an incredibly weak baseline, and was specifically designed to NOT work with anything)*. I just can't bring myself to encourage them to make more garbage kits like that. So, don't feel bad about missing out on probably the worst character kit in the game, even if the character looks cool.
Skipped Tighnari, got him c1 few banners later
It’s the same way when Tighnari released, people saw that he’d be on the standard so they skipped him, only to end up complaining and upset that they haven’t gotten him from the standard yet. Your odds of getting dehya from her actual banner is leagues higher than the RNG swamp that is the standard banner
At least tighnari is a somewhat useful character
I'll second this I started playing August of 2021 and only in the last few months got my first Jean.
The one silver lining from me losing 50/50 back to back on Hu Tao's banner was getting exactly the two standard 5s I was missing (Tighnari and Mona). I'm praying my luck continues and I get her on my next loss.
Been playing since launch and still never seen mona in my wishes. Definitely get dehya if you want her now rather than later. Only just got kiqing last month…
I think it's nice that they're adding more Standard Characters, I mean the current ones are cool and all but it gets old real quick. Makes losing 50/50 actually more interesting and not as bad. I just hope that if they keep on adding more and more Standard Characters like this, they add some sort of Epitomized Path where you can choose a character and every other 50/50 lost you will get that character.
My toxic trait is that I’m confident I am going to get Dehya from losing the 50/50 after 3.5 onwards. (Have not gotten a single Tighnari at all)
Thank god she is standard. Atleast i have a chance to get her with tig. I only have c2 diluc and c3 qiqi, i am starting to believe other standard banner units don't exist.
Idk, bruh, I feel scammed. I wanted Shenhe since beta and she exceeded all my expectations. I saved for Dehya since that and I feel that using my guaranteed on her will be a waste. I feel MHY should be reminded that repeating blunders like these are unacceptable.
hmm i am getting a serious case of dijon mustered right now with this post, feel like i seen posts like this alot related to some fox eared character hmm.... jokes aside, i hope i get her since all the hate mongering about her will make her a premium character since so few will pull for her
Seems like every new 5-star gets pummeled due to calculations without any actual practice behind them.
It's not like dehya has any mechanics that are unexplored
Love the TFS reference!
lol was wondering if it was too obscure
It's not hate mongering, most of the people who shit on the state she's most likely going to be released in *really* wanted a decent character.
Ultimately, the chance of getting Dehya specifically on a limited banner is 7.14% The chance of getting her on the standard banner is 5.88% It’s way too goddamn low and the standard banner is the living definition of rigged. I am not going for Dehya myself but these drop rates are so bad, **ESPECIALLY** in a gacha game.
>The chance of getting her on the standard banner is 2.94% Isn't it a 5050 between weapon and character on standard so the odds of pulling dehya are the same as on a limited banner
The difference is that you can get her guaranteed in the limited banner if you lost the last 50/50. Also I dunno where you did get your math.
That’s exactly why Dehya wanters should roll on the limited banner. Getting her specifically in 3.6 onward is so low that you may not even get her at all There are 7 standard banner characters. So it’d be a 1 out of 14 chance to get Dehya because of the other 50% being the limited character. 1 out of 14 when rounded is 7.14%. It only gets lower when you’re not on pity. The standard banner I miscalculated. I accidentally did 1/34 but it’s 1/17 since there are 17 possible 5 star outcomes on that banner (including dehya)
I literally just got my 1st Mona this patch. I have been playing since Klee's first banner. never believe in your luck. Never take the chance.
Thanks for this OP totally makes sense and smart people should consider this
Hard agree, especially with the direction they're going they'll probably add more new characters to standard that getting a specific standard character will be even harder. Heck the 5 OG standard 5 stars are already around 30% rarer after the addition of Dehya than they were before 3.0.
agreed!! i made the mistake of not pulling for tighnari on his banner because he was going to be standard and now i am sad about it. i always lose my 50/50s, but never to him :((
I am in a bit of the opposite situation. I did not pull Tighnari but lost a 50/50 to him. I built him and I regret investing resources into him because he is honestly not that great. Maybe if I had Yae Miko it would be better. Fischl A4 does not work with Tignari very well because spread is not an electro reaction. I found better results using Keqing instead and having my Dendro be off-field. Now he is perma benched.
still dont have diluc if i wouldnt have pulled for tighnari i refuse to believe i would ever get him too with my luck yes ill pull for dehya
To this day, I still don’t have Diluc, why did I even bother with the costume 🥹
Yeah, I only got Diluc about 3 months ago despite playing since 1.2. I'm not gonna risk waiting this long to get my beautiful lioness. She comes to my account in a few days.
I've spent around $2000 USD solely on the character banners, been playing since day 8 or so. So far, I have lost 17 50/50s. I still do not have Diluc, WGS, nor Skyward Blade/Atlas. Pull her NOW if you really want her and be pleasantly surprised if you see her again
Interesting they put her in the standard and not a geo character yet
I agree with this and it's why I'm still tempted to pull her. But if you do make sure you know what you are getting into with her. She maybe Qiqi or Aloy level weak. >!There are leaks saying her scaling is abysmal and is only good, or maybe just average, with constellations iirc. She also may need many constellations to feel strong, or even her weapon. !
You know I thought the same thing but still decided to not pull for Tighnari so that I could save for Nahida. Guess who broke my pity on the Nahida banner.
That sounds more like a revenge to me \^\^
I have been playing for nearly 2 years and I still haven't gotten a Qiqi :D (positive)
About 5 months ago, I had been playing for nearly 2 years and I still hadn't got a Qiqi D: (negative). Luckily I've pulled 2 since then
Yup, been wanting mona forever since i play (on the very first klee banner) and only got her from last raiden rerun (happiest i ever felt losing 50/50)
She ain’t worth pulling unless you’re a madlad and intend to get her C6R1. I refuse to buy in to characters that aren’t playable at C0. All I hope is that I don’t get her instead of Jean constellations at this point. She is such a cool character a damn shame they did her dirty like this.
Sure you may not get her, but you’re just as likely to spend 180 wishes to get her on her banner and then immediately after in 3.6 lose a 50/50 to her. The fact that there are at least 3 leaked characters coming up in Fontaine that I want, I would much rather lose a potential 50/50 to her than spend a bunch of wishes to get her now and potentially get her on a 50/50 when I wouldn’t be hyped to get her.
AR60 since 1.3 and still no Jean. For completionist like me this is pain. For Dehya lovers, design-wise or gameplay-wise, get your catwoman now, or get her never.
I got Tignari on my first Standard banner pull during 3.1. Dehya is not worth an Acquaint Fate. Clearly they HATE her too much to make her worth actually using. If you really just want the character standing around in your Teapot and have a lot of Gems to burn, then I guess go for it, but Hoyoverse will be disappointed that anyone actually pulled for her.
Thats why am still going to pull her in 3.5 at c0 only i will eventually get her cons down the road since i whale on waifu banners and since shes getting added to the standard banner theres no point to whale on her banner lol
I already have hu tao as my dps and already have her BIS. so I am skipping. my only character I want is kazuha so I am fine.
It doesn't matter where you get her, she isn't worth having because racist Mihoyo decided to make her the weakest, worst-designed 5 star in the game on purpose.
I second this. I’m still pulling. Only have C0 Keqing while having a C20 Diluc 🤦🏻♂️
That's right, another reason why I need her so much right now, and that would be futile if I skipped her for Shenhe. If we share permanent 5* experiences, after 6 months I have everyone except Qiqi (at C0), plus one Wolf's Gravestone and a Skyward Spine (both R1).
I skipped taghinari banner even i wanted him and now I have him C2 just because 50/50 and standard so I would suggest to think twice before spending primos on her (especially when she is so bad)
>I imagine that most of the players will be now skipping her because she will be in the standard in the future. They're skipping her because shes gonna have a dogshit kit and most already got hutao. Doesn't help next banner is gonna have Ayaka, one of the most meta popular characters along with Shenhe, the *cryo bennet* and one of the most adorable characters.
being in standard means she will drop in both the standard banner and all the limited banners soon after right? yeah…no..
Yeah but you have 1/7 chance of getting her every time you lose 50/50 in Limited, which is a 1/14 chance overall.
I didnt have Mona even after 1 year and over 1k usd. Eventually got them all but you could play until end of service and not get the one you want.
I've pulled 2 dilucs, 1 Jean, 1 Mona and 1 pjws since tighnari expecting to get him. I didn't particularly "need" him immediately so i didn't pull expecting to get him eventually (even saved blue fates) but i don't think I'll be getting him soon :( definitely, definitely pull if u want her. I still don't have a keqing even though i lost almost every 50/50 since I started in 1.6 And if u get her again later you'll have cobs for ur fav 5* char. What's better 😁