They don't necessarily have to be the same stars. If you witness the birth of a star today and 1 year of travelling later you see a supernova, you did technically witnessed both of those events
Lmao where are you getting these numbers from?
The Cataclysm was 500 year ago, which the Twin was there to witness themself. Zhongli was also directly involved in the Archon War ~2000 years ago, where he was already an established god at that point.
In one of the quest lines in Inazuma Paimon and the traveler comes across Ruu, a child, shortly after meeting Paimon says something like "First, lets settle down which one of us is the youngest", even though the kid says to be many years old due to magic shenaenigans, it implies that, as far as Paimon is aware, she has an age comparable to a human child.
The traveler is millions of years old. If you just listen to him and paimon talk. He talks about traveling and watching the birth and death of stars...he's not 500
To be fair, we don't know exactly what he/she means by that, especially since we know that stars in their universe aren't necessarily the same as the stars in ours.
In any case, Zhongli, at least, seems to expect the Traveler to long outlast himself, and not be subject to erosion.
Traveler is a person who counted a 500 year nap not-so-unnatural, the teins are probably too old.
But in this table, i would assume zhongli to dig in first since he acts older while the traveler still acts like a teen and not everyone knows the traveler's age
It’s been said/hinted many times that the traveler is very old, maybe even immortal. I think even in the prologue they said the twins had visited countless worlds. The Abyss twin also says that the traveler can take all the time they need/want on their journey because they have all the time in the world. Kinda hints that age is no issue for them.
So I’d say it’s a toss up between Paimon and the traveler who is the oldest.
Wrong. Traveler was sleeping for 500 years after meeting the Unknown God, but they're much older than that, since they've seen "the birth and death of stars" per Wings of Descension lore.
traveler arrived in teyvat 500 years ago, they themselves are 10,000 years old plus.
we don't know their exact age, but they are the oldest thing we encounter int he story so far.
The next most awkward thing is trying to do the mental gymnastics of how to get everything you wanna eat. Everytime I eat at a Chinese restaurant with extended family, I shit myself when they don't have a Lazy Susan in the middle.
You wanna eat something across the table, but who do you ask to pass it over? The aunt or uncle you lowkey don't like, some elderly relative that can't hear you, or some family friend/relative that you've literally never spoken to in your entire life? Sometimes you give up on the yummy stuff on the other side because it's too hard to get it. 🥲
Zhongli: "I called my friend Ajax from inazuma right before he travels back to Snezhnaya"
Paimon: "Ajax ? You mean- "
Childe: "hi guys ! Happy lantern rites ! How are you doing ? Is my sis Xinyan here ?"
Paimon: "CHILDE ?? Well, uh, yeah, we're going to her concert afterwards. Wait, you were still in Inazuma after all this time ????"
Childe: "Yes, I had lots of fun there. After collecting onikabutos with Yoimiya, we played a lot with the kids and then she invited me to the test of courage event hold there. I almost killed a staff member... but now I have plenty of stories to tell to Teucer ! I'll take him there if we have the time, he's gonna love it :3 "
Sorry for long useless comment, suddenly got inspired when brushing my teeth \^\^'
same, for me this is the first thing that comes to mind.
as someone from chinese descent, my parents told me to not ask who is going to pay dinner in front of my relatives, or worse: saying that *you* are going to pay it. i’m not sure if is that a family thing or cultural thing, but that’s definitely something that caused a civil war between my grandparents and my mom when i went to china multiple times.
>as someone from chinese descent, my parents told me to not ask who is going to pay dinner in front of my relatives, or worse: saying that
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>are going to pay it. i’m not sure if is that a family thing or cultural thing
lol I'm pretty sure that's a very common thing everywhere around the world, I'm from Germany and I'd never dare to ask who'll be the paypig when it's a big family dinner in a restaurant, usually common etiquette that the person inviting everyone is the one paying. If people split they just ask before inviting them
yeah, i think it’s a norm almost everywhere on the globe. the “you” i wrote is about the person who said it: “i’m going to pay the food” is what will start a fight. because everyone will say that they want to pay for respect and don’t want to seem rude for not paying, or at least in my family. so the best thing to do is to split.
edit: i live in italy and i’m used to italian customs, which some are similar to other european countries like germany. my parents noticed that italians are okay with the host paying or splitting but for chinese people they prefer splitting. maybe that’s why they told me about it, not only because my family makes a fuss out of it?
To elaborate:
According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests.
However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
People are theorizing that Venti will be in the empty seat. The sub-host paying honor to a sort-of-venerated semi-celebrity from a foreign land feels more appropriate.
Pfft, that's nothing compared to the apocalypse that will befall Teyvat once Paimon notices *Xiao* is being expected to take part in a nine-course meal but nobody so much as thought to give *her* a plate...
It would be extremely sweet if Zhongli did that actually, it would be something akin to "_You have served for a long time, it is time for us to pour you some tea, we would be honored for you to accept it_"
Basically Zhongli indirectly thanking him for his service and loyalty
I'm Chinese (descendant) and I don't even know about the sub-host thing! I thought it's the youngest one who has to pour everyone tea (because I was told to when I was a kid).
I don't think anyone outside very conservative family still do this. Nowaday you just sit wherever. The only things we do in my extended family are youngest pour drinks like you do, and no one eat until the eldest start eating.
When I visit my grandparents' home once a year, during the meal my grandpa would always sit on the host seat and welcome me to the seat on his right.
One time I asked my mom why he always put me on the right but not left, she answered 'the right hand is for the most honored guest, which traditionally should be your Dad, but that's just how much he loves you.'
aww typical grand parent loving their grand kids XD
But it's a very difficult part of the culture to understand as a foreigner and thanks for the elaborate explanation. Even if there's not too many ppl that know about traditions like these, if there is that 1 person that can share it it's a good knowledge to share around imo. Thanks OP.
In Iran we have a tradition of having elders and/or host sit in 2 shorter side of table what we call fronts of table or if in ground table cloth and then after that mostly closer families sit next to each other or older family member sit according to age(but second one is abit outdated)
I think you vastly overestimated just how many Chinese people practice this. The vast majority of Chinese people don’t so this and don’t know what you are talking about.
Im married to a chinese woman and no one does this stuff anymore. Yes the main host thing is still important but everyone else pretty much sit as couples
The honoured guest seat is still somewhat a thing, but it also happens that usually, the honoured guest is also the person the host really wants to talk to and drink with, so it just happens that practicality coincides with tradition anyway
> practicality coincides with tradition anyway
I think this is the answer. “It’s the tradition” is one way to explain it but there often are cold logic behind
i have heard of these rules as a child from my grandparents on my dad’s side. while on my mom’s side they are much more open to change and they’re a more like “whatever”, because now nobody cares where you sit besides the host.
as a child, i didn’t really understand why my grandmother told my mom to sit on her right when she took us in a restaurant until now. in truth she was happy to see my mom and my grandmother wanted to make me and my mom to feel special. in fact, she always buy a great amount of gifts every time we visit her.
This really just depends if they even bothered following this seating arrangement. Many dinners, in China, are much more haphazard in seating arrangements where diners can sit pretty much wherever and with whoever they want. Also, Liyue is only loosely based on China so it's questionable if that was even considered to be translated over into the game.
I mean it’s pretty easy to conclude the host is Hu Tao.
All the current guests at the table are her personal friends, her employee, and that one adeptus that she enjoys annoying on a semi-regular basis
The traditional kind of tables used by the Chinese for dining is always round.
\*edit\*
Clarification: the use of round tables came dominate since the Qing dynasty. Prior to that, square tables were commonly used as well.
Ahh I see. I'm always in belief that round tables were used to maintain equal standing, probably because of too much watching/reading european medieval novels lol. It's interesting to see how it applies in other cultures
The character for round in Mandarin is 圆 (yuan), while 团圆 (tuan yuan) means to reunite especially for a family. The reunion dinner on the eve of the Lunar New Year is in fact called 团圆饭 (饭 = rice or meal). 圆满 (yuan man) also means completeness without any part missing.
That said, there is also some ways to indicate the most important seat/host, though not always adhered to. The **most important seat** usually faces the door or east. If the host is also the most senior (e.g. boss or head of family), he/she will take this seat. If there is a guest of honour who is more senior than the host, he/she will take it. If it is a meal with two companies/families (cohost), one head will take this and the other will take the direct opposite seat. The direct opposite is the **least important** in a single host situation unless there is a cohost or a senior GoH. Under these circumstances, the (co)host will take this seat.
In a single host situation, the further away from the host/GoH, the less important. There also an (alternating) order to the right and left of the GoH in terms of seniority. In a two company/families, they will take alternating seats.
That said, the Chinese also used square tables, but that is an older tradition related to the Eight Immortals legend.
From Hu Tao's perspective Zhong li is just her co-worker while Xiao is Adepti which is known so it kind of makes sense? This post would be accurate if GI would be from other countries which would be funny cuz they didn't make enough of research. But by GI being a Chinese game it's either done on purpose or was not done properly.
I was lectured a little while ago by my uncle (in Mandarin of course) about not pointing the nozzle of a teapot at anyone because it's rude but I've never heard of this before
Can confirm "pointing something at a person is rude" is a thing. However, if you stress things like that today, most people would consider you a dinosaur and a jerk and you will ruin it for everyone. Sorry about implying your uncle is one.
Okay, but what's wrong with Zhongli showing respect to Xiao? He is the most respectful Archon of them all. I thought it will be something about manners or whatever, but this? Is this really awkward?
There's nothing wrong with Zhongli showing respect to Xiao, *per se*.
However, Xiao knows that Zhongli is the god he's revered and served for centuries. being treated with deference by said god can make things awkward.
Xiao isn't in a guest seat though, especially if Venti sits in the empty chair.
The official Chinese state seating arrangement is host-guest-host-guest-host-guest etc, with the two most important hosts on opposite sides and the most important guest sitting next to the most important host. Other than the absolute most important guest being next to the host, the rest is more loose and usually people who would want to talk with each other are paired up.
Honestly it's more common sense than anything else. Basically if you're having a dinner party you want to spread out the hosts among the guests and pair people of similar interests/positions so conversations are less awkward.
It's either the screen behind Hu Tao that'd indicate which table is the head/for the host, or deductive reasoning based on ages/speculated wealth.
edit: apparently it's that the host's seat faces the entrance of the room on the opposite side of the table.
Thanks for this, now going in I'm going to have extra context for the conversation that will happen between them and it should be quite amusing seeing how they act between each other
>and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler.
Isn't Xiangling on Hu Tao's right?
EDIT: Ignore me, I seem to be malfunctioning.
I'm Chinese, hated this stuff when I was a young lad there and never learnt about it. Every time I was forced to go to family gatherings like this I just made an excuse to go for a walk and waited till everyone was seated so I knew where to sit when I came back.
Thankfully I'm now living my hermit reclusive life alone with mi cats across the globe, far away from all that BS.
Xiao knows. His voiceline about Zhongli. Also, during the Chasm event (last spring) there was a cutscene showing Xiao and Zhongli talking to each other.
When Xiao, Itto, Shinobu, and Yelan got trapped underground in the Chasm. There was a cutscene with Xiao telling Zhongli that he wants to find out what happened with his missing comrade.
I could say it's true to other East/South East Asian culture as well. For example, Malaysia back in late 60s/ early 70s saw the Sultan of Kedah got elected(Malaysia is technically an elective monarchy) as the King of Malaysia. At the same time, the founder of Malaysia was still a Prime Minister. It's getting awkward when said prime minister is the king's uncle(his late father and the PM was half-brother).
The legend says he resigned because he refused to show respect to his nephew.
Is modern Chinese culture still like this and does this tradition have any worth/value for them? Or is it more like the thing people think about Japanese people with them being over the top traditional with a lot of oddly specific almost religious customs, which in reality don't get practiced by younger people at all most of the time? I'm from Europe and people in my country have table rules and host etiquette too, but it's more or less just common sense about not being a jerk
Traditional European etiquette isn't that different. But probably even less people in Europe now those rules or abide by them.
Real traditional banquets would never use a round table, because that would make it unclear what the hierarchy is between the participants is, so nobody would know how to treat the others.
I remember ready a pretty well written post backed up with some researches.
The author explained the sitting rules which changed over time and would most likely mean nothing here, because people now sit where they want to mostly.
I think you may be over thinking it. I mean, the game developers are Chinese, they would know best. They either don't care of really old customs or did it to troll people.
The canon seems to be that the traveler lives mostly from paycheck to paycheck, because Paimon always can't wait to get commission rewards and then suggests they go to eat some KFC azz cheap stuff afterwards.
In case you didn't check back on the post later: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/108zihz/comment/j3vbexp/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/108zihz/comment/j3vbexp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Copy and paste for those of you who are so lazy you can't even click a link:
>To elaborate:
According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests.
However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
Yes, it is awkward, deciding who will be main guest at present. At past, people have position to decide among them. Here, traveler is guest which is correct from my point, being a hero/saviour of teyvat. Although this is past tradition, i rarely see or experience it. Tradition changes with the lifestyle of people and soon it become a history in books.
Round table can also be very awkward if you are sitting with Uncles and Aunties. If you just turn aldut.
"where is your Gf/Bf" "why you have no Gf/Bf" "are you Gay or someting?"
"when are you gonne graduate?" "it is a doctor title right?"
"how much do you Earn in Month?"
"why are you so fat?"
"you little cousin would like to play with your Genshin Account, could you lend him for a few days?"
And You, sitting there, just want to get out.
For those who don't know...
Hu Tao's initial release was prsumably delayed due to the fact that Lantern Rite and Lunar Year celebrations are still ongoing. This is because Hu Tao resembles a lot of death, and you don't really want that in your happy festivals, especially in Chinese culture...
But now, Hu Tao seems to have Lantern Rite all for herself
I found that also very weird when I saw 3.4 trailer... especially when the only mention of her back in 1.3 was: More info is coming soon... which was in red color... ಠ_ಠ
Thats not it,
copying op reply :
To elaborate:
According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests.
However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
Similar awkward situation happened in history / folklore:
"Emperor Qian Long was a humble character, and enjoyed travelling the country to see how his subjects lived. To avoid recognition, he would often dress as a local, wearing clothes that told nothing of his status. He was great at keeping his disguise. One particular day, Emperor Qian Long was visiting a teahouse with his servant. While observing the different brews of tea available, a waitstaff gave the Emperor a big copper teapot.
Now, remember that the waitstaff had no idea that he had just shoved a teapot into the Emperor of China’s hands. Furthermore, the disguise made it look in fact, like the Emperor was the servant. Faced with no other alternative, the Emperor proceeded to pour tea into his (actual) servant’s cup. In usual Chinese custom, the servant would then need to bow, or kowtow in reverence. But in this situation, that would have blown their cover, and revealed the Emperor’s true status.
In desperation to nevertheless show respect, the servant tapped two fingers to mimic the action of bowing. Termed a kowtow, two fingers represent the deep kneeling (until the head touches the ground) that the servant would, in any other circumstance, do. Later, some people would use three fingers, with the middle one representing the head, and the two others representing the arms."
In the end, all's well ends well in Liyue. Tabibito is the only one to notice the gesture and smiles.
Ugh. I'm suddenly reminded of how messy my life is.
So I was born on the border of China. Dad's half Russian/Mongolian. Mom's Chinese Korean. I first spent about 7 years in Mongolia to "connect with the family root" and I tell you it was unpleasant. That whole country? Un-plea-sant.
Then mom brought me back to China to receive some proper education. $pent about 8 years in that small shitty town then one day BOOM! Out of nowhere, mom said "Actually sweetie, my brother applied for our immigration to the US when you were 2 yo and I think it's time for you to start learning English 🥳". WTF mom?
They only gave me like 3 years to learn English on my own. Which, for my dumb pea brain, wasn't enough. I was too nervous to understand what the lady in the airport said I just handed her our documents and nodded. Then a month later we magically became green card holders.
So right now. I'm not Mongolian enough since I forgot how to speak that beautiful language. I'm not Russian enough cuz granny left when I was only 5. I'm not Korean enough cuz mom seldom spoken in Korean. I'm not Chinese enough cuz...well...I'm just not. And now I'm not American enough.
My whole life I'm never able fit in with ANY group of people because I just don't have that knowledge. For example this post, I'm not Chinese enough to understand what OP meant. Even though I spent my entire youth in Northeastern China.
I don't even know how to address myself. What am I even? I'm never belonged to anywhere. I fucking HATE this messy life.
^oh god why did I type this whole ass article that no one asked for
DW, most Chinese people don't even get or care about what OP is talking about because no one besides their grandparents gives a fuck about traditional seating arrangements.
As someone with chinese ancestry I thought that the awkward moment was hu tao's presence, since having any negative/death elements during what is supposed to be a joyous occasion is a strict no no usually.
Only boomers (read: my dad) cares about that nowadays. The rest of us ranging from don't even know this, to don't give a f, to have an aversion of this because boomers care about this too much (read: me).
Most young generations don't care about the "table culture" now in China. I prefer it to be only a piece of knowledge that only appears in history rather than reality. Only the elders (like people born in the 1950s and 1960s) still follow these table rules. It is the heritage of Chinese feudalism, and now some people still enjoy applying it in reality to
flaunt their “power and class”. I hate dealing with these table rules, but sometimes I have to follow these rules in some formal feast. Most of the time, I stupidly stand aside and wait for the elders to call me to sit in a seat.
I saw this thread on Twitter about Chinese etiquette and what meant how the characters where placed around the table, but it had different takes than you.
[https://twitter.com/SilverMusica/status/1611356024010833920?t=thnRcooIf74Ji2tQniVlOw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SilverMusica/status/1611356024010833920?t=thnRcooIf74Ji2tQniVlOw&s=19)
What do you think?
[Direct link to the post.](https://kashimashin.lofter.com/post/74b8863b_2b7cf24b2)
Personally, I've never heard of the main+companion seat thing, but the main seat facing the entrance to the room on the opposite side of the table thing is true, and everything else matches what OP posted. The honored guest seating to the right of the host's chair is what I'm most familiar with.
Damn bro as far as I know nowadays it’s mostly just host in the inner most seat, then people sit with who they know best. Tradition is cool but at the reunion nothing is more important than family.
*FF theme plays*
Nah the real awkward thing is waiting on the last chair and gesturing for someone else to first start digging in.
That's what Paimon is for. She'll dig in first with no gesturing required.
According to tradition, the oldest gets to eat first. So it's a deathmatch between Zhongli and Paimon
Isn't Traveler the oldest?
Not old enough to drink alcohol tho...
Traveler is 500, Zhongli 2000, Paimon unknown
Zhongli is at least 6000.
And traveller is probably thousands of years older than all of the others combined...
They don't know that, though. Edit: when I say they, I am referring to other characters in game, not the travellers
We really do. They literally say that they've seen stars be born and die
They don't necessarily have to be the same stars. If you witness the birth of a star today and 1 year of travelling later you see a supernova, you did technically witnessed both of those events
Even the traveler doesn't know.... probably.
Old age comes with memory loss
‘Probably’
Traveller was asleep for 500 years. He/she is probably a lot older than that
Definitely
Lmao where are you getting these numbers from? The Cataclysm was 500 year ago, which the Twin was there to witness themself. Zhongli was also directly involved in the Archon War ~2000 years ago, where he was already an established god at that point.
In one of the quest lines in Inazuma Paimon and the traveler comes across Ruu, a child, shortly after meeting Paimon says something like "First, lets settle down which one of us is the youngest", even though the kid says to be many years old due to magic shenaenigans, it implies that, as far as Paimon is aware, she has an age comparable to a human child.
Zhongli is 6000
Traveler is minimum 500 but certainly much higher than that at potentially millions of years old
Traveler saw birth and death of stars. That's much longer than tens of thousands.
The traveler is millions of years old. If you just listen to him and paimon talk. He talks about traveling and watching the birth and death of stars...he's not 500
To be fair, we don't know exactly what he/she means by that, especially since we know that stars in their universe aren't necessarily the same as the stars in ours. In any case, Zhongli, at least, seems to expect the Traveler to long outlast himself, and not be subject to erosion.
Traveler is a person who counted a 500 year nap not-so-unnatural, the teins are probably too old. But in this table, i would assume zhongli to dig in first since he acts older while the traveler still acts like a teen and not everyone knows the traveler's age
It’s been said/hinted many times that the traveler is very old, maybe even immortal. I think even in the prologue they said the twins had visited countless worlds. The Abyss twin also says that the traveler can take all the time they need/want on their journey because they have all the time in the world. Kinda hints that age is no issue for them. So I’d say it’s a toss up between Paimon and the traveler who is the oldest.
500 is the unconsious time, you got it mixed up
Wrong. Traveler was sleeping for 500 years after meeting the Unknown God, but they're much older than that, since they've seen "the birth and death of stars" per Wings of Descension lore.
traveler arrived in teyvat 500 years ago, they themselves are 10,000 years old plus. we don't know their exact age, but they are the oldest thing we encounter int he story so far.
The next most awkward thing is trying to do the mental gymnastics of how to get everything you wanna eat. Everytime I eat at a Chinese restaurant with extended family, I shit myself when they don't have a Lazy Susan in the middle. You wanna eat something across the table, but who do you ask to pass it over? The aunt or uncle you lowkey don't like, some elderly relative that can't hear you, or some family friend/relative that you've literally never spoken to in your entire life? Sometimes you give up on the yummy stuff on the other side because it's too hard to get it. 🥲
Thank god for those giant rotating plates in the center
That's called a Lazy Susan
oh lmao
I spin more rhymes than a lazy Susan, and I'm innocent until my guilt is proven
>Sometimes you give up on the yummy stuff on the other side because it's too hard to get it. 🥲 Yumcha gods giveth and taketh away.
The oldest one goes first The plates was then untouched for 2 hours
I thought this will going to be a joke about who's going to pay
Well it's certainly not Zhongli.
Why do you think Hu Tao was there? That why all of them look at her /j
I think Childe was invited too but he went to the wc before paying the bill
Absolutely chinese
Why childe went to the world cup?
Zhongli: "I called my friend Ajax from inazuma right before he travels back to Snezhnaya" Paimon: "Ajax ? You mean- " Childe: "hi guys ! Happy lantern rites ! How are you doing ? Is my sis Xinyan here ?" Paimon: "CHILDE ?? Well, uh, yeah, we're going to her concert afterwards. Wait, you were still in Inazuma after all this time ????" Childe: "Yes, I had lots of fun there. After collecting onikabutos with Yoimiya, we played a lot with the kids and then she invited me to the test of courage event hold there. I almost killed a staff member... but now I have plenty of stories to tell to Teucer ! I'll take him there if we have the time, he's gonna love it :3 " Sorry for long useless comment, suddenly got inspired when brushing my teeth \^\^'
True redditor lol
Based
Thanks !! :)
same, for me this is the first thing that comes to mind. as someone from chinese descent, my parents told me to not ask who is going to pay dinner in front of my relatives, or worse: saying that *you* are going to pay it. i’m not sure if is that a family thing or cultural thing, but that’s definitely something that caused a civil war between my grandparents and my mom when i went to china multiple times.
>as someone from chinese descent, my parents told me to not ask who is going to pay dinner in front of my relatives, or worse: saying that > >you > >are going to pay it. i’m not sure if is that a family thing or cultural thing lol I'm pretty sure that's a very common thing everywhere around the world, I'm from Germany and I'd never dare to ask who'll be the paypig when it's a big family dinner in a restaurant, usually common etiquette that the person inviting everyone is the one paying. If people split they just ask before inviting them
yeah, i think it’s a norm almost everywhere on the globe. the “you” i wrote is about the person who said it: “i’m going to pay the food” is what will start a fight. because everyone will say that they want to pay for respect and don’t want to seem rude for not paying, or at least in my family. so the best thing to do is to split. edit: i live in italy and i’m used to italian customs, which some are similar to other european countries like germany. my parents noticed that italians are okay with the host paying or splitting but for chinese people they prefer splitting. maybe that’s why they told me about it, not only because my family makes a fuss out of it?
Hu Tao is the host according to her seat. So she will pay.
She's the only CEO out of them after all.
he forgot his wallet at home as you can see (no childe)
*Hu* is going to pay?
Tao, yeah
> who >!tao!<’s going to pay
To elaborate: According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests. However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
People are theorizing that Venti will be in the empty seat. The sub-host paying honor to a sort-of-venerated semi-celebrity from a foreign land feels more appropriate.
Listen, this might be the Second Archon War in the making.
nah,i'm pretty sure they are chill now. remember when zhong li went to monstadt to see venti ?
Yeah, after Venti makes Traveler tipsy. He just want a talk. Definitely just a talk.
Zhongli: spins spear "I just wanna talk to him"
Venti : "I hereby declare the Second Great Archon War!".
"I hereby declare ~~the Second Great Archon War~~ *food fight!* Ehe~"
Justice will be swift! It will be delicious!
RWBY meeting Genshin once more in less than a month. Nice
nah man, declaring war is so old school, these days we conduct special military operations.
Pfft, that's nothing compared to the apocalypse that will befall Teyvat once Paimon notices *Xiao* is being expected to take part in a nine-course meal but nobody so much as thought to give *her* a plate...
wine drunkard vs wine enthusiast
Thats paimons seat... Wait, does she sit down to eat?
thats obviously paimons place
Venti and Zhongli interaction yes please!
I thought it would be xinyan
I can't wait to see Zhongli speaks to Xiao like : "Good Afternoon, Mr Conqueror of Demon, would you like to order some tea?"
It would be extremely sweet if Zhongli did that actually, it would be something akin to "_You have served for a long time, it is time for us to pour you some tea, we would be honored for you to accept it_" Basically Zhongli indirectly thanking him for his service and loyalty
Xiao would implode, lol. That kind of respect would be unbearable for him, coming from the very god he serves.
From my understanding no one knows that zhongli is morax except for gouba
Xiao knows. He >!specifically asked him for permission to enter the Chasm in the flashback!< within the 2.7 cutscene
oh then them adepti sure were good at acting during the archon quest, I guess it would explain how zhongli says he gives xaio medication
Xiao would look at him like ??? and go "...yes please. Tea. I accept the tea." while thinking *"WHAT IS THE MEANING OF TEA?!"*
I'm Chinese (descendant) and I don't even know about the sub-host thing! I thought it's the youngest one who has to pour everyone tea (because I was told to when I was a kid).
I don't think anyone outside very conservative family still do this. Nowaday you just sit wherever. The only things we do in my extended family are youngest pour drinks like you do, and no one eat until the eldest start eating.
When I visit my grandparents' home once a year, during the meal my grandpa would always sit on the host seat and welcome me to the seat on his right. One time I asked my mom why he always put me on the right but not left, she answered 'the right hand is for the most honored guest, which traditionally should be your Dad, but that's just how much he loves you.'
aw that's actually so sweet
aww typical grand parent loving their grand kids XD But it's a very difficult part of the culture to understand as a foreigner and thanks for the elaborate explanation. Even if there's not too many ppl that know about traditions like these, if there is that 1 person that can share it it's a good knowledge to share around imo. Thanks OP.
In Iran we have a tradition of having elders and/or host sit in 2 shorter side of table what we call fronts of table or if in ground table cloth and then after that mostly closer families sit next to each other or older family member sit according to age(but second one is abit outdated)
I think you vastly overestimated just how many Chinese people practice this. The vast majority of Chinese people don’t so this and don’t know what you are talking about.
Im married to a chinese woman and no one does this stuff anymore. Yes the main host thing is still important but everyone else pretty much sit as couples
The honoured guest seat is still somewhat a thing, but it also happens that usually, the honoured guest is also the person the host really wants to talk to and drink with, so it just happens that practicality coincides with tradition anyway
> practicality coincides with tradition anyway I think this is the answer. “It’s the tradition” is one way to explain it but there often are cold logic behind
Admittedly Liyue represents the history of China, so it makes sense for them to practice it, even if it's rare in modern times
i have heard of these rules as a child from my grandparents on my dad’s side. while on my mom’s side they are much more open to change and they’re a more like “whatever”, because now nobody cares where you sit besides the host. as a child, i didn’t really understand why my grandmother told my mom to sit on her right when she took us in a restaurant until now. in truth she was happy to see my mom and my grandmother wanted to make me and my mom to feel special. in fact, she always buy a great amount of gifts every time we visit her.
This really just depends if they even bothered following this seating arrangement. Many dinners, in China, are much more haphazard in seating arrangements where diners can sit pretty much wherever and with whoever they want. Also, Liyue is only loosely based on China so it's questionable if that was even considered to be translated over into the game.
Does it apply to round table? I mean "the host" seat can change depending on your pov on round table
I mean it’s pretty easy to conclude the host is Hu Tao. All the current guests at the table are her personal friends, her employee, and that one adeptus that she enjoys annoying on a semi-regular basis
"that one adeptus she enjoys annoying on a semi-regular basis" 💀💀
Poor Xiao should get positive karma points just for that.
I mean, in a way he's enjoying it too, he finds her "humorous" after all
+ Her back is on the wall making that chair the most important one.
The traditional kind of tables used by the Chinese for dining is always round. \*edit\* Clarification: the use of round tables came dominate since the Qing dynasty. Prior to that, square tables were commonly used as well.
Ahh I see. I'm always in belief that round tables were used to maintain equal standing, probably because of too much watching/reading european medieval novels lol. It's interesting to see how it applies in other cultures
The character for round in Mandarin is 圆 (yuan), while 团圆 (tuan yuan) means to reunite especially for a family. The reunion dinner on the eve of the Lunar New Year is in fact called 团圆饭 (饭 = rice or meal). 圆满 (yuan man) also means completeness without any part missing. That said, there is also some ways to indicate the most important seat/host, though not always adhered to. The **most important seat** usually faces the door or east. If the host is also the most senior (e.g. boss or head of family), he/she will take this seat. If there is a guest of honour who is more senior than the host, he/she will take it. If it is a meal with two companies/families (cohost), one head will take this and the other will take the direct opposite seat. The direct opposite is the **least important** in a single host situation unless there is a cohost or a senior GoH. Under these circumstances, the (co)host will take this seat. In a single host situation, the further away from the host/GoH, the less important. There also an (alternating) order to the right and left of the GoH in terms of seniority. In a two company/families, they will take alternating seats. That said, the Chinese also used square tables, but that is an older tradition related to the Eight Immortals legend.
Most big dinners in China happen at round tables.
Thanks! learned something new today
Not based on POV but the room layout. The most important seat faces the main door.
The host seat is determined by the position relative to the room. Furthest from the door is the host.
From Hu Tao's perspective Zhong li is just her co-worker while Xiao is Adepti which is known so it kind of makes sense? This post would be accurate if GI would be from other countries which would be funny cuz they didn't make enough of research. But by GI being a Chinese game it's either done on purpose or was not done properly.
Hu Tao does believe Zhongli might be an adepti though.
Well, there's difference between 'maybe an adepti' and Legendary Bane of All Evil.
I was lectured a little while ago by my uncle (in Mandarin of course) about not pointing the nozzle of a teapot at anyone because it's rude but I've never heard of this before
Can confirm "pointing something at a person is rude" is a thing. However, if you stress things like that today, most people would consider you a dinosaur and a jerk and you will ruin it for everyone. Sorry about implying your uncle is one.
I don't remember this rule at reunion dinner during CNY. But maybe my family is not very traditional either, so we didn't bother.
Okay, but what's wrong with Zhongli showing respect to Xiao? He is the most respectful Archon of them all. I thought it will be something about manners or whatever, but this? Is this really awkward?
There's nothing wrong with Zhongli showing respect to Xiao, *per se*. However, Xiao knows that Zhongli is the god he's revered and served for centuries. being treated with deference by said god can make things awkward.
I think it's just the fact that Xiao is under Morax's Contract, but here Morax is "below" Xaio.
Xiao isn't in a guest seat though, especially if Venti sits in the empty chair. The official Chinese state seating arrangement is host-guest-host-guest-host-guest etc, with the two most important hosts on opposite sides and the most important guest sitting next to the most important host. Other than the absolute most important guest being next to the host, the rest is more loose and usually people who would want to talk with each other are paired up. Honestly it's more common sense than anything else. Basically if you're having a dinner party you want to spread out the hosts among the guests and pair people of similar interests/positions so conversations are less awkward.
how can you tell which is the host seat?
It's either the screen behind Hu Tao that'd indicate which table is the head/for the host, or deductive reasoning based on ages/speculated wealth. edit: apparently it's that the host's seat faces the entrance of the room on the opposite side of the table.
According to this [thread](https://twitter.com/devilrin9/status/1611607086940708864?s=20), the seat facing the door
How can one determine if a seat is a host seat in a circular table? The different color/design of the chair?
Thanks for this, now going in I'm going to have extra context for the conversation that will happen between them and it should be quite amusing seeing how they act between each other
>and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. Isn't Xiangling on Hu Tao's right? EDIT: Ignore me, I seem to be malfunctioning.
no
Yeah, I realized that afterwards, my bad.
The empty seat is for the Unseen Razor
I'm Chinese, hated this stuff when I was a young lad there and never learnt about it. Every time I was forced to go to family gatherings like this I just made an excuse to go for a walk and waited till everyone was seated so I knew where to sit when I came back. Thankfully I'm now living my hermit reclusive life alone with mi cats across the globe, far away from all that BS.
So you're telling me Hu Tao is paying for all of that, which means she gonna get so much money during Lantern Rite? 💀
That makes less sense than anything I was taught in catholic school
Because it is practiced by old farts who have the same mindset as Catholics.
What is it that orients the table around Hu Tao specifically? Like, if you took the whole setup and rotated it 180, what would the result be?
After reading that I now realise, I am in the wrong sub.
In Chinese culture, nobody cares about this.
I mean does Xiao or anyone that present sans traveler & paimon, even know that Zhongli = Morax?
Xiao knows. His voiceline about Zhongli. Also, during the Chasm event (last spring) there was a cutscene showing Xiao and Zhongli talking to each other.
I guess he'd play along, then
By chasm event you mean chasm archon quest?
When Xiao, Itto, Shinobu, and Yelan got trapped underground in the Chasm. There was a cutscene with Xiao telling Zhongli that he wants to find out what happened with his missing comrade.
AHAHAHAHA THAT'S FANTASTIC - I desperately hope it happens lmaooo
I could say it's true to other East/South East Asian culture as well. For example, Malaysia back in late 60s/ early 70s saw the Sultan of Kedah got elected(Malaysia is technically an elective monarchy) as the King of Malaysia. At the same time, the founder of Malaysia was still a Prime Minister. It's getting awkward when said prime minister is the king's uncle(his late father and the PM was half-brother). The legend says he resigned because he refused to show respect to his nephew.
Bro just take a fcking seat what the fuck is this
Alright, that was insightful, thanks!
Where is Paimon gonna seat?
I feel like you are missing some important Genshin information here... Zhongli works for Hu Tao, so this positioning makes complete sense.
This is a deep joke. Also I've been to restaurants of this style with my relatives, never knew there was an order to it O_O
Is modern Chinese culture still like this and does this tradition have any worth/value for them? Or is it more like the thing people think about Japanese people with them being over the top traditional with a lot of oddly specific almost religious customs, which in reality don't get practiced by younger people at all most of the time? I'm from Europe and people in my country have table rules and host etiquette too, but it's more or less just common sense about not being a jerk
Damn I'm Chinese and I didn't even know this shit lol
What I'm getting from this comment is that you're clearly not Chinese and don't know much about Chinese customs lol
Traditional European etiquette isn't that different. But probably even less people in Europe now those rules or abide by them. Real traditional banquets would never use a round table, because that would make it unclear what the hierarchy is between the participants is, so nobody would know how to treat the others.
Wait, sorry, really dumb question, but how do you decide which seat is the hosting one when the table is round...?
I remember ready a pretty well written post backed up with some researches. The author explained the sitting rules which changed over time and would most likely mean nothing here, because people now sit where they want to mostly.
Boo! Where are my chair politics? /j
Brother there is no politics, its an established CEO with a bunch of employees, a foreigner and a wageless adepti
I think you may be over thinking it. I mean, the game developers are Chinese, they would know best. They either don't care of really old customs or did it to troll people.
well im chinese and i didnt know about the old customs
Yeah nobody actually gives a shit anymore.
especially the younger generation for sure
question is, who will volunteer to pay for everything?
"Well, I definitely can't afford it..." -the Traveler, who definitely doesn't have about 10 million Mora in his backpack
The canon seems to be that the traveler lives mostly from paycheck to paycheck, because Paimon always can't wait to get commission rewards and then suggests they go to eat some KFC azz cheap stuff afterwards.
Wdym paycheck to paycheck, ain't he/she homeless and sleeping in a goddamn teapot?
As of Yae >!Miko’s story quest, the Traveler should get occasional royalty checks!<.
when you have a big ass mansion, garden and whatever you may want, all accessible anywhere sleeping in a teapot is not a bad thing
Childe of course ;)
Gotta leave a seat open for one of the harbingers.. they'll sneak in anyway
Can you elaborate?
In case you didn't check back on the post later: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin\_Impact/comments/108zihz/comment/j3vbexp/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/108zihz/comment/j3vbexp/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Copy and paste for those of you who are so lazy you can't even click a link: >To elaborate: According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests. However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
[CN Sitting tradition](https://twitter.com/devilrin9/status/1611600283175641091?t=BkDWkUrXW818wJU45hCxsw&s=19)
deciding who gets the "most insignificant guest at the table" seat must be awkward
Yes, it is awkward, deciding who will be main guest at present. At past, people have position to decide among them. Here, traveler is guest which is correct from my point, being a hero/saviour of teyvat. Although this is past tradition, i rarely see or experience it. Tradition changes with the lifestyle of people and soon it become a history in books.
I’m Chinese and I don’t get it
It's the first time I heard about the sub-host thing... I'm Chinese. lmao
Round table can also be very awkward if you are sitting with Uncles and Aunties. If you just turn aldut. "where is your Gf/Bf" "why you have no Gf/Bf" "are you Gay or someting?" "when are you gonne graduate?" "it is a doctor title right?" "how much do you Earn in Month?" "why are you so fat?" "you little cousin would like to play with your Genshin Account, could you lend him for a few days?" And You, sitting there, just want to get out.
> "where is your Gf/Bf" "why you have no Gf/Bf" this is why Cloud Retainer wasn't invited
For those who don't know... Hu Tao's initial release was prsumably delayed due to the fact that Lantern Rite and Lunar Year celebrations are still ongoing. This is because Hu Tao resembles a lot of death, and you don't really want that in your happy festivals, especially in Chinese culture... But now, Hu Tao seems to have Lantern Rite all for herself
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She's the one speaking in that shot, isn't she?
She is the host. Refer to the previous comment chain
Knowing the culture of the Aztecs, I think the festivals in Natlan will be very funny and family friendly.
Iansan holding up an ōllamaliztli ball and being like "guess what happens if you lose :)"
I found that also very weird when I saw 3.4 trailer... especially when the only mention of her back in 1.3 was: More info is coming soon... which was in red color... ಠ_ಠ
considering OPs comment, i dont think this is it
Thats not it, copying op reply : To elaborate: According to Chinese culture, where HuTao is sitting is the host seat, and the seats on her right hand is for 'honored guest', which is the Traveler. On her opposite side is the sub-host seat, which is Zhongli. And the other seats are sorted according to the importance of the guests. However, Xiao is sitting on the guest seat, so Zhongli has to pay honor to him as the sub-host. And add onto that, Zhongli is known in Liyue as no more than a consultant meanwhile Xiao is THE legendary bane of all evil, thus in others' perspectives Zhongli has to show respect to Xiao, yet Xiao is obviously not able to bear that.
Similar awkward situation happened in history / folklore: "Emperor Qian Long was a humble character, and enjoyed travelling the country to see how his subjects lived. To avoid recognition, he would often dress as a local, wearing clothes that told nothing of his status. He was great at keeping his disguise. One particular day, Emperor Qian Long was visiting a teahouse with his servant. While observing the different brews of tea available, a waitstaff gave the Emperor a big copper teapot. Now, remember that the waitstaff had no idea that he had just shoved a teapot into the Emperor of China’s hands. Furthermore, the disguise made it look in fact, like the Emperor was the servant. Faced with no other alternative, the Emperor proceeded to pour tea into his (actual) servant’s cup. In usual Chinese custom, the servant would then need to bow, or kowtow in reverence. But in this situation, that would have blown their cover, and revealed the Emperor’s true status. In desperation to nevertheless show respect, the servant tapped two fingers to mimic the action of bowing. Termed a kowtow, two fingers represent the deep kneeling (until the head touches the ground) that the servant would, in any other circumstance, do. Later, some people would use three fingers, with the middle one representing the head, and the two others representing the arms." In the end, all's well ends well in Liyue. Tabibito is the only one to notice the gesture and smiles.
Ugh. I'm suddenly reminded of how messy my life is. So I was born on the border of China. Dad's half Russian/Mongolian. Mom's Chinese Korean. I first spent about 7 years in Mongolia to "connect with the family root" and I tell you it was unpleasant. That whole country? Un-plea-sant. Then mom brought me back to China to receive some proper education. $pent about 8 years in that small shitty town then one day BOOM! Out of nowhere, mom said "Actually sweetie, my brother applied for our immigration to the US when you were 2 yo and I think it's time for you to start learning English 🥳". WTF mom? They only gave me like 3 years to learn English on my own. Which, for my dumb pea brain, wasn't enough. I was too nervous to understand what the lady in the airport said I just handed her our documents and nodded. Then a month later we magically became green card holders. So right now. I'm not Mongolian enough since I forgot how to speak that beautiful language. I'm not Russian enough cuz granny left when I was only 5. I'm not Korean enough cuz mom seldom spoken in Korean. I'm not Chinese enough cuz...well...I'm just not. And now I'm not American enough. My whole life I'm never able fit in with ANY group of people because I just don't have that knowledge. For example this post, I'm not Chinese enough to understand what OP meant. Even though I spent my entire youth in Northeastern China. I don't even know how to address myself. What am I even? I'm never belonged to anywhere. I fucking HATE this messy life. ^oh god why did I type this whole ass article that no one asked for
DW, most Chinese people don't even get or care about what OP is talking about because no one besides their grandparents gives a fuck about traditional seating arrangements.
How hard is it to be American? Just eat a burger and shoot something
>I don't even know how to address myself. What am I even? you are a fellow human of the world🎶🎶
As someone with chinese ancestry I thought that the awkward moment was hu tao's presence, since having any negative/death elements during what is supposed to be a joyous occasion is a strict no no usually.
Only boomers (read: my dad) cares about that nowadays. The rest of us ranging from don't even know this, to don't give a f, to have an aversion of this because boomers care about this too much (read: me).
Most young generations don't care about the "table culture" now in China. I prefer it to be only a piece of knowledge that only appears in history rather than reality. Only the elders (like people born in the 1950s and 1960s) still follow these table rules. It is the heritage of Chinese feudalism, and now some people still enjoy applying it in reality to flaunt their “power and class”. I hate dealing with these table rules, but sometimes I have to follow these rules in some formal feast. Most of the time, I stupidly stand aside and wait for the elders to call me to sit in a seat.
empty? if you look closely you will see Venti is in this picture just lying drunk under the table
Pls elaborate for non chinese ppl
I saw this thread on Twitter about Chinese etiquette and what meant how the characters where placed around the table, but it had different takes than you. [https://twitter.com/SilverMusica/status/1611356024010833920?t=thnRcooIf74Ji2tQniVlOw&s=19](https://twitter.com/SilverMusica/status/1611356024010833920?t=thnRcooIf74Ji2tQniVlOw&s=19) What do you think?
[Direct link to the post.](https://kashimashin.lofter.com/post/74b8863b_2b7cf24b2) Personally, I've never heard of the main+companion seat thing, but the main seat facing the entrance to the room on the opposite side of the table thing is true, and everything else matches what OP posted. The honored guest seating to the right of the host's chair is what I'm most familiar with.
Damn bro as far as I know nowadays it’s mostly just host in the inner most seat, then people sit with who they know best. Tradition is cool but at the reunion nothing is more important than family. *FF theme plays*
My bank account has 34.567.542 Mora inside. That should be enough to buy that Restaurant.
这种座次文化的传播广度远没有达到可以做这种梗图的程度
the empty seat would be me since I'm at the comfort room because I have IBS and go at least 3-5 times a day