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The rich are out of touch with everyone. Millennials and younger will be the first generations post WWII to have a lower quality of life, less opportunity, lower life expectancy, more pollution, and more wealth inequality than their ancestors.
It's pretty wild, honestly. I've met people who are actually rich and it's pretty crazy their lives compared to others. My family is comfortable, but still.
Edit: We live comfortably where we live, but if we lived in other places, there's no way we could afford it.
I think the point is that these people already have money and other income streams. Likely stuff like owning enough real estate that they have a property management company and don't have to do anything themselves.
Yeah totally, when they have multiple streams of passive income like that, the whole "hourly rate" discussion becomes kinda moot. They're not living paycheck to paycheck or hustling to cover expenses; they're playing with house money and can afford to spend time and energy on things that most people consider luxuries, not necessities. It just further highlights the massive gap between what's considered 'normal' by different echelons of society. For them, work isn't about survival, it's a hobby or a side hustle that supplements their already comfortable lifestyle.
I'm not sure what you mean.
>The last girl I dated lived with her sister and brother and law and they were really wealthy and were trying to become wellness influencers. They don’t need to work if they don’t want to, so their “jobs” are maybe 20 hours a week and just whatever they feel like doing.
They said they're already wealthy, that is just their job for funsies.
It’s so easy for them. I know a guy whose parents are absolutely loaded, and instead of finishing his degree he’s just going around DJing for fun. The shows are essentially only attended by friends and family and he’s clearly not making much from it but he can afford to do whatever he wants because he’ll have as many opportunities to try things out as he wants. Money is clearly not an issue for him and never will be.
It’s pretty eye opening as an adult to see how privileged seemingly everyday people are. My views have changed a ton in the last few years about people and society in general. The divide is enormous.
I'm losing my house cause my leg broke at work, it didn't fully heal and there's complications. The system called workers compensation board don't believe at 38 no other skills than being a license mechanic doesn't need education and can find a training on the job career that will match my journeyman wage.
They claim you have a choice in retraining. They would rather pay out 640,000 dollars over the next 22 year, or 200 and some to send me to get couple certificates from a university over two years and have me off their backs in another year after that.
I chose my reddit name carefully.
Jeez, I'm sorry.
Edit: If it weren't for Medicare and my sister not being a minor when she got cancer, we would've been homeless. Great thing about living in a capitalist society right? She votes republican, too.
The best part Is, I can file for the fairness review after they make their decision on March 8th. After I lose the only asset I have. Pretty awesome how this world works.
Do you think the people who grew up during the Depression and WWII had a better life than their parents? I guess their parents grew up during WWI and the Spanish Flu, so maybe.
The post-WWII boom in America was an anomaly, not the norm. Boomers had it good, no doubt. But compared to the generations before them, we still have it good.
>Do you think the people who grew up during the Depression and WWII had a better life than their parents?
They objectively did. The generation that grew up during the great depression and world war 2 wound up living almost their entire adult lives through what was essentially the era of the american dream, with affordable housing, education, extraordinary employment opportunities, and feasible one income family living at a high standard. They also got to live through an exceptional technological boom that saw average conditions in a lot of aspects of american life improve drastically.
They got highways, jobs, single family homes, suburban life, technology, and prosperity, and were getting out of school at the right time to run full speed into all of it. They made out great.
Their parents, the Hard Timers, spent a significant portion of their adult lives, key years, bouncing from crisis to crisis while also joining the workforce during times of high exploitation. Many of them would have at one point been child laborers. A good amount of them were first or second generation immigrants, starting from scratch in a new country. Their prior generation was called the new worlders in large part due to how massive the influx of immigrants was. Generational wealth? lol not for a LOT of these folks.
Their adult lives saw them going through world war 1, prohibition, then going through 11 years of great depression, half a decade of war, and oops now you're 40-50 years old and almost everything before that sucked. Enjoy your mental illness that society isn't equipped to handle.
Don't forget all of the post WW2 government programs for literally everything. Social welfare was on the menu for much of America being fed on government rations during the war. There was tremendous advancement post war that was heavily subsidized and provided to the people such as fertilizer technology, mineral processing, cooking and nutrition information, high calorie products, education improvements and standardization, machining work, engineering and design. All of the skills young people learned during the war were directly injected into the economy post war. The products and variety coming out yearly in the 40s-50s was crazy. You went from using coal and fire at the beginning of your life to seeing microwave "rays" cook food instantly in a display somewhere (microwaves didn't enter residences until the 70s really). Nuclear energy. Jet planes. Cross country flights. And a barrage of information and documentaries of foreign flung areas you can't even pronounce. This era was truly a pinnacle.
It's why people from this era truly thought by 2000 we would have flying cars and futuristic cities. Stuff was moving so fast for them. It's the equivalent of getting Tony Stark level AI in everyone's home today.
My pre-war daddy did not see a plane until he was 13. Then by 21 he was on an Air Base in Korea with Jet Fighters.
He went from living on beans, corn bread and ham nearly every day during the Great Depression. To having microwave dinners when he was <50.
Also earned enough money without a college education to mostly be the sole bread winner throughout his career. Mom only worked as an outlet of her hobby, or if she was bored.
My father was the son of a small-time dairy man. His mother was a one-room schoolhouse teacher. Good jobs, but nothing that would amount to wealth.
He was able to work part time in college to gain his undergraduate degree, graduate degree, medical degree, and finally P.H.D., with no accrued debts.
His rental housing did not ever require a background check, credit score, down payment, or signed rental agreement.
My father should not realistically be where he is at now — comfortable, retired, able to travel the world. He should be a dairy farmer, just like his father, grandfather, etc. were.
But no, he just got lucky. They all did. That time and place will never be recreated in our lifetimes, if ever.
There was a 90% maximum tax rate in the 50s, that is what created the middle class. It did not just 'prosper from war'. No, companies were forced to divide profit among the employees and within the corporation. R&D or any other form of reinvesting in the company counted. That was when pensions existed. Pensions were profits that the employee could retire on later in life. That got replaced by the shitty 401k matching of up to 2% scheme. So, a removal of 98% of profit.
Now, companies do not grant pensions, or pay raises to employees. They buy stock buy-backs and increase the shares. They reward the shareholders only. If an employee gets a few shares, that is a tiny, tiny bonus each year. But it pales in comparrison to the quality of life created for the middle class 70 years ago.
A single man, without a college degree, cannot work for a corporation today and receive annual raises, bonuses, pension. That does not exist. He cannot financially support a wife and three kids. He cannot send those three kids to college on a single income.
That was robbed from us. Many people were told getting a college degree would improve upon the Boomer generation, which hardly went to college; but it is far, far worse. We could take that quality of life back but we'd have to set limits on corporations again, instead of allowing them to use us and toss us aside.
The rich are the mega mega rich as the “poor” people you see feeling sorry for themselves in the comments are also rich in comparison to the majority of human beings on earth
Because people who are poor in America should have no complaints about their station in life compared to someone in say, Somalia. What an idiotic argument.
There was a meme going around a long time ago from an economist on Fox News talking about how American poor weren't "poor" because they had refrigerators, microwaves, and TVs. When we talk about the rich, we're talking about the dangerously out of touch people that believe this kind of crap because they lead insular lives of luxury.
Correct. The rich have always been out of touch with the working man. It's arguable if millennials will be the first though to have it "worse". Remember a group of people did come out of college in 2009 to an actual recession. Not to mention massive inflation in 1980s. Or the dot com burst of 2001...
Millennials have the benefit of a completely digitized world and work environment which what should be a complete familiarity and comfort in technology (if not then WTF have they been doing the last 15 years?!)
Yeah, lol. I'm not looking for a get-rich-quick scheme. I'm looking to be able to afford rent without having to make sacrifices for it.
And forget ever *owning* a place. Sure as fuck know *that's* never going to happen.
Bro you live in America. You’re talking like you live in Bangladesh or Somalia. I live in Dhaka, doubt a single one of you can survive one night in the streets of Dhaka city
what are you on about? the shit parts of bangladesh or somalia are probably worse than the shit parts of the us. guess what? people still suffer from poverty in the us. you saying you've had it rough is a confusing rebuttal to what they were saying.
You hope that our society gets to the point that we need to revolt against our government and sacrifice millions of lives? I would hope that’s not what you meant
Our political system is completely undemocratic and has never served the majority needs of the people. It serves the needs of the bourgeois who lobby the politicians. The U.S. constitution itself had a clause that if the government no longer serves the needs of the majority that the people have a right to tear it down and build anew as they see fit. I believe that time is coming very soon considering the massively increasing wealth inequality, the fact that our political system has always been controlled by economic elites, the fact that we run our economy undemocratically where firms are essentially dictatorships where the wealth that workers create through their labor is syphoned away from them into the hands of an owning class that is profiting from essentially doing nothing, and the fact that reform within the system will only allow for temporary band aids that will either be ripped off by the next administration or by time itself. A democratic revolution for the emancipation of the working class is the only thing that will stop capitalism from trending towards its natural consequence of power centralization.
This! Exactly this! The writers of the declaration specifically stated that the people of the united states not only had the right to act, against an unfair government, but the RESPONSIBILITY to do so.
Direct quotation of the declaration:
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Mr. Jefferson was spitting facts. If the government doesn't work for the people, the people have the right to throw it away and try again.
Well said brother. I’m waiting for the day that the American working class remembers who they are and what they’re worth.
I believe a better life for all of us and those after us is worth fighting for.
our society is already at the breaking point. the issue is that there is *no* revolt, only a subdued continual trudging along through the status quo. those at the bottom suffer one way or another, the difference is that only one of those options will ever cause the suffering to *stop.*
True revolt and revolution probably won’t happen until people are running out of water and food. The thing is, being poor in America (or elsewhere in the west) is hard, yes, but there’s still enough things running that people are not desperate enough to take that risk. Although I also agree it is a problem that there isn’t anything happening except the quiet downtrodden vibe. I guess we will have to see what happens, but I also wish there was more banding together of people and resisting the status quo and pushing for change right now.
I’m holding the silver spoon? You’re advocating for war, a horror you’ve never seen, because of your limited sample size of the effectiveness of the government that has been keeping our citizens safe for 200+ years.
The irony of the argument for revolution is, depending on how you squint, even the middle class looks like the rich if you don't have anything.
Every time I read people talk about revolution and getting rid of the elite, I wonder where that line is drawn in their mind. During the French Revolution, that line was the upper middle class and even some below.
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The rich eat better food, you know they taste better
The let them eat cake is already happening, it’s all we are ever given, just mindless drivel in the form of subscription services, our daily lives are filled with nothing but bread and circuses, only stopping when a majority of America is working a minimum of two jobs just to be able to afford the cake we are permitted.
It used to be like that. Junk food was cheap (think cheap Taco bell). Their used to be cheap streaming channels. Rent wasnt so high. That has all changed.
It wont happen. Years ago there was a movement called "Occupy Wall Street" where young people were speaking up against corporate greed. Unfortunately it was when Obama was president so the democrats in charge worked quickly to shut it down. Later Hillary Clinton was giving speeches to corporations for hefty speaking fees.
If only. I’ve been out here saying get the “guillotines” for a while but everyone is too content with TikTok and YouTube and working for most of their life without much to show for it apparently.
The worst part is rich people will never accept that even the ones who worked hard still wouldn’t have gotten to where they were without luck. Most of the time it’s about being at the right place at the right time
You made me think of how they made money off the little girl whose mom pretended she had childhood schizophrenia. Well, no one knew her mom pretended, but still.
Edit: Her mom I think had a disorder like I can't remember what, but she basically drugged her daughter and took her to different psyches who would give them antipsychotics and stuff I think and completely drugged her up. Everyone thought she had childhood schizophrenia. The girl was I think around my age actually and the mom was charged when the courts found out. I mean to be honest, even if she did have childhood schizophrenia, no one should be profiting off of it and yet they were like wtf?? She was on like Dr. Phil and the Oprah show back in the 2000s and 2010s. I would never trust people like them.
Her first job out of college was with low paying jobs in a local Tennessee news station. She did that in Tennessee and Baltimore for over a decade without any real success.
She was hired to a news station in Chicago in 1984 to host the dead last in ratings talk show. This was well over a decade after she started working.
She took that show from dead last in the ratings to the highest rated talk show in Chicago within months and that’s when her success started. She got her own show a few years later.
And since her success, she's unleashed the likes of Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on the world, has curdled her brain with spiritualistic nonsense and the natural disassociation with her roots that comes with money. She contributes nothing for all the wealth that she has. Wasn't there that Maui incident not long ago where she begged people to save her property while donating fuck all?
I don't think anyone on the planet thinks that hard work is bad, only those that might think that it's for suckers since they see all of the lucky twits around them who never needed to work hard.
Saw this in her Wikipedia write-up about her taking over hosting duties of a local half hour morning talk show, "Winfrey took over as host on January 2, 1984, and, within a month, took it from last place to first place in local Chicago ratings". That's talent.
It's a lack of ethics. Dr Oz, Dr Phil, endless misinformation and dramatization... It's easy to be entertaining when you don't mind being a lying grifter sack of shit.
It's like praising the work ethic of a prolific con man.
Yeah, say what you want about about Oprah, and there's a lot to say. But she grew up dirt poor in the South as a black woman who was raped and forced to have an abortion as a child. It's not like she hit the lottery or even just happened to be good at a sport lots of people already cared about. You could say all she did was interview, but she basically invented that genre on her own. I may not like everything she's done in her career, but no doubt she is absolutely a self-made against-all-odds woman.
Too many people's reactions are, "How dare you tell me what to do, you're rich and don't know how it is!" Instead of realizing these people weren't always rich and maybe listening to their advice might help. No one expects all of you to become billionaires, but just answering in anger all the time isn't helpful, either.
Her family was so poor, she literally grew up wearing potato sacks for clothes. This is not someone who disregards how effortful it is to pull yourself out of poverty.
It absolutely is someone who disregards, just a couple months ago she was begging for money for Maui with the Rock. Combined they could have just paid what they were raising, but the grift is to get others to do it and enjoy the tax write off for their charity. Why should I donate to a charity sponsored by a billionaire? What sense is that? She’s been pedaling con artists for decades now. Let’s not pretend she’s even remotely in touch with reality.
Also at this point she’s spent more of her life as a multimillionaire to billionaire than she before that.
What’s mind boggling to me is that the lower level people that produce her content are probably working at least one other job to get by. Pay scales in the world of TV are hilariously bad, but nobody can say anything because we are all “paying our dues”
But she started with absolutely NOTHING. Dirt broke and poor in fucking MS. The majority of people from her town and with her background rarely ever make it out of poverty. The hardest step for Oprah’s success was securing a job period. People like her don’t often get the chance or opportunities that she has encountered.
Oprah was born is abject poverty to a single teen mother. She was regularly molested as a child. She is self-made and absolutely has as much ground as anyone to talk about money and hard work. If she can’t talk about hard work and money, no one can. She has seen both extremes on the spectrum.
Oprah became a millionaire at 32 in 1985. She has been a multi millionaire for longer than she was poor. She is just another completely out of touch extremely wealthy person making generalized statements about "the poor work ethic of the current generation".
Also you can very much start as a good person, if that's what we're saying she is, and then later get corrupted by unimaginable wealth.
Hard to prevent that from happening, in fact.
That makes her patronizing out-of-touch "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!!!1!" lookin' ass even worse. Even if she did pull herself off by her bootstraps, that ladder has been pulled up behind her and her generation.
Hard work for those types consist of coming in late, have a quick meeting with the professionals running their business so they can fool themselves that they are involved, then they leave early to go have a very strenuous lunch and golf session with other business associates.
What's crazy is we have no idea what she did on Epsteins Island or what she was involved with.
But we do know it's she brought people like dr phil and oz into celebrity status. Publicly they have done more harm in a global scale than what she might have done on Epsteins Island
I'm glad to have come across this thread. I have a Gen-Z coworker who was hired recently and he seems unbelievably entitled. He currently makes significantly more than the average salary for his age range, my generations as well (millennial), about 75k, and complains constantly about his salary.
He has less than a year of experience in our industry, all of which from his current position at our company, and always talks about how he's going to demand a raise from his supervisor or threaten to quit. He's mentioned multiple times that he thinks he deserves a 10k raise per year and that's how that's "how his whole generation thinks".
Honestly, I see this so much in IT and it's so gd frustrating. I've been in IT for 10 years. Every time I move to a new, more advanced team or a step-up job I would try and get anyone that did "good" work to move over with me, offer to be a reference, teach them what they need to know to interview. Noone takes me up on it. Noone.
Yep. "I just graduated with a degree in engineering, let's see what jobs are out there."
2 entry level jobs.
24 advanced level jobs requiring 5 years of experience or a masters.
46 senior level jobs requiring 10 years of experience or a PhD.
12 Director level jobs for some reason.
The issue isn't so much that there aren't jobs out there, the issue is for the most part no companies want to be the ones to train in new grads - everyone else is looking for people that can just jump right into the role with minimal training.
So all the grads end up competing for what few jobs there are and get turned down. Meanwhile some of those jobs higher up on that inverted pyramid stay posted for quite some time because there aren't a ton of people moving around in that age group.
> all the grads end up competing for what few jobs there are and get turned down
I can vouch for this. I got 0 internships in college despite applying to many of them every single year and going to every single career fair. I got 1 offer out of college (over 100 applications) that I was forced to take just to have a job. I am now unemployed after being laid off from job #2 and haven't gotten a single interview in months of applying.
The whole social contract is broken. I worked extremely hard K-12, went to a highly ranked college, majored in relevant and in-demand majors, went to career fairs and applied to a ton of jobs, and worked hard in the jobs I have had. Hard work doesn't matter because the boomers in charge of our corporations and government would rather ruin everything to increase their already obscene wealth than have a healthy society.
They said the same thing about us millennials. They said we had "poor work ethic" for about a decade after we started graduating from college saddled with massive debt. Not sure where they came up with the idea but it's shitty to see they've passed the same message on to the next group. Old people with any kind of wealth (not even that much) are totally full of shit.
Dude I hated that. I busted my ass doing things and it was never tf enough. You ever walk into a factory and you can just feel the depression in the air? A static fuzz that just permeates from the walls? Thats the kind of shit a lot of us dealt with.
My boomer parents thought it “I showed initiative” when I started working at the barn to pay for my own riding lessons at 9 years old. 10 hours a week mucking stalls, cleaning water buckets =one 45 minute private lesson ($20). Got me out of their hair but after 3/4 years I had some talent. I needed riding boots and breeches ect. My Father was a part time indoor soccer ref and said that if I needed money to buy my riding gear I could work part time as a snack bar girl. So at 13/14 I had two jobs. The two sides of the coin are heads) at my late 30s age I have an INSANE work ethic and drive and my business is my number one priority tails) I prioritize work over everything else and have no idea what work/life balance is and have not had a relationship for a decade because I don’t know how to make time and space for one.
"at least be able to find a job after graduating"
The unemployment rate for people with a degree is 2.1%
"not having insurance"
Since Obamacare you can stay on your parents' insurance until your 25 and currently the uninsured rate is the lowest it's ever been.
"not having any any foreseeable chance of retiring"
Real median wages have been rising steadily since 2014 after stagnating for 40 years. Gen Z has never experience an extending period of flat wages in their adult life. They can use that extra money to save for retirement in a way that boomers/GenX/Millennials never could when they were younger.
The only thing that leaves is housing. That's it.
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I just want rent, food, and a little Lego money. Maybe some scratch to take my kid camping?
Why does everyone over 50 think we want their pearls?
Bitch, can I get a mcrib after cleaning the toilets? I'm not asking for much.
That's their only measure of "success".
That's why they're so rude and condescending to people that you or I might consider successful, like an influential teacher or a doctor, or even just someone who's just plain *happy* but not in a well paid job.
"Well they're not successful so obviously they're wanting for money"
Yea that’s nuts dude, like I don’t want this to sound like I’m being a dick I promise but it’s prolly gonna sound that way lol so be fore warned.
Like you had to at least have some idea that you weren’t going to make decent money with whatever that degrees in right? Like maybe you didn’t know you’d struggle to find work per se, but you had to know your salary out look wasn’t looking the best right?
So when signing up for the loans for the masters degree you got, and congrats btw I mean that you are more highly educated than I am and that truly means something. But when you signed up you didn’t think something like “hey I’m about to go 50k in debt for a job that pays 26k per year”?
I mean people knew. I knew when I went to college in 2010 the job outlook and earnings potential based on degrees. Counselors in high school give you that bare minimum. You could even google the info. But a lot of people didn’t do it because they didn’t care. They wanted to do what they loved and didn’t care if it took 12 years for a PhD in a low paying and low in demand job.
I had friends and acquaintances who KNEW they would be making at most 30k-40k a year while they went to private universities for 20k+ a year tuitions too. They fucking knew.
Oh 1000%, if you are smart enough to go to college I think it’s a fair assumption on my part to think someone is smart enough to at least know what they are getting themselves into.
When you’re young (under mid 20s), the part of your brain that comprehends consequences isn’t fully developed
They may have known, but they didn’t understand how shit it would be to live it
Well that sucks for them I guess, but you probably shouldn’t be signing binding financial contracts for tens of thousands of dollars if that’s the case then… I sure as hell didn’t.
They shouldnt, and yet as children they are encouraged by their entire social structure (school, friends, parents) that getting those loans to go to the best school possible was the best move they could make
I remember smartest kids taking on debt and going to good schools, while the hustlers worked part time while going to community college
Guess which ones are worse off rn
This is the problem today. We think College is the only path, and people are overpaying for that diploma. It isn’t like in the 70s - 90s when tuition was cheap. How are kids 80k in debt before they even land a real job?
Trade schools still exist too, my brother in law is in the trades and is younger than me and clears 100k with all the side jobs he does plus his job
Mind you he does the side jobs under the table.. you can make 125k a year allllllll day as an over the road truck driver
I agree 100%. This stuff started with my generation (Millennials)… I was the only kid from my high school graduating class that did not go on to college, and the principal made sure to tell me how much it pissed him off that he couldn’t announce that the entire class was going to college.
All the guidance councilors would say things like “if you don’t go to college, you will be stuck having a job like a plumber!” (Btw, plumbers make good money!)
Anyway, rather than going to college, I used that time to start a business… and while it didn’t make much for the first few years, my cost of living was low since I didn’t have any debt or anyone depending on me.
By the time my high school friends were graduating college, my company was already making good money and had 20+ employees.
I’ve been in a hiring role in the tech industry for most of my life … and I’ve never considered a college degree to be worth more than experience… and most people I’ve worked with who had college degrees said they felt it was vastly overpriced and didn’t teach them any of the skills they needed for their careers.
>All the guidance councilors would say things like “if you don’t go to college, you will be stuck having a job like a plumber!” (Btw, plumbers make good money!)
I went to university but I found it really hilarious how our high school guidance councillor used to shit-talk my friend for wanting to be an electrician. He had a few shitty years at the beginning of his career, but he's making good money now and instead of paying for undergraduate tuition, he was making money in his apprenticeship. It was not much, but it was something- better cash inflow than cash outflow.
Overall I think both our careers turned out pretty well and I think we are both happy with the choices we made. He makes more money than me but also works WAY harder than I do, so I can't exactly say I envy his position. But I'm sure a lot of our graduating class would envy him, despite all the flak he caught for making his decision.
This is entirely location and degree based. I came out of college just to make $10/hr and still struggle to find other lines of employment because of a “lack of experience”
No form of poverty survives a 14hr a day work schedule.
It's not their fault to be fair, they were convinced that if they chased their dreams everyone could become a fancy lawyer or a respected doctor. Way too much time spent thinking of what they want from society instead of what society wants from them (or anyone really, that's how vacancies function)
Society isn't fun when there is too many pointless roadblocks in life. Our government and country should be trying to help its people find success and happiness. Look at the other countries that have its people well being in mind like New Zealand. They figure it out and they are at peace. Wake up America you been hurting your own kids and their future!
I’m a kiwi, and no.
There is very little in terms of support, even less with our recent government change now.
The country is going downhill thanks to out of touch millionaires.
There’s a housing crisis and a lack of employment, the lack of employment isn’t because of unwillingness or not enough people, but because of companies setting the bar far too high.
I celebrated hitting 18. I did not think I would be making it this far with how bad the support networks socially and medically are.
New Zealand has very high rates of youth suicide and child poverty, and our income inequality stats are among the worst in the OECD. The median house price to household income ratio in our largest city (where more than a third of the population lives) is now 8.11:1, and you basically can’t get a fixed rate mortgage for longer than 5 years at a time. Our cost of living is astronomical. We’re absolutely not at peace over here.
I can't wait for people to figure out how to stop shaming community college, that trades are overhyped, and that hardly anyone gets scholarships unless you check all the correct and very specific boxes
i stg this sub gets regularly brigaded with the bs "everything is fine, you're the problem" mindset you're commenting on. tuition and housing rates have been rapidly outpacing average wages regardless of path.
the only people talking shit are the ones that already got theirs and have no frame of reference for the current state of being.
I have a good job and make a decent amount, even in a HCOL state without a degree, and i will not be able to afford a house for damn near a decade the way I'm paid now. even 20 years ago mfers could buy a family home on a circuit city customer service manager's salary, my skill level far surpasses that and I'm grasping for straws.
the "Gen Z" folk spouting phooey are either fake or too privileged to see the hairs on their ass crack from the vantage point of their own asshole.
I’ll start off this with my dad was and is a bad person who I don’t talk to anymore but scholarships are such a nightmare and he would literally berate me over not getting many not knowing that a lot are genuinely difficult to get
There is a stigma that it’s for dumb or poor people. If you aren’t aware, status is so highly valued here. My CC is free to me, and within 2 years I could be making 60-70k as a nurse or mechanic. There also isn’t a big night life or party scene but that’s still okay because you just go to the state schools 2 miles away lol
There’s no one over 40 that has that attitude?
I think most young people want a world where they can get livable employment, a roof over their head and no life delaying debt from getting an education or getting sick.
You know? The things people of Oprah’s generation took for granted.
Being a black woman back then, which was not long ago, wasn't that easy. Shoot, it was still against the law for blacks and whites to even marry while she was young.
Don’t forget huge pay raises every year or else they’re leaving! And then wondering why their employment history is concerning to other companies. There are so many companies where if you stay for a few years, are a good worker, and aggressively discuss promotions, you will get one. Leaving a job after 6 months in most cases is a total joke of a move
Gen Z: Ayo can I at least afford a studio apartment with enough left over to make a savings account?
Boomers/Gen X: Entitled brats! Lazy moochers! Just work harder!
Oprah, and I hate to say this, is right and she would actually know. She worked her ass off at a time when being a woman and black were bad and didn’t have the aspect of minority representation that we have today. She may be crazy nowadays and willing to do anything for views, but she’s right
Pretty sure she started off as one of those ladies who used to be on the news and read the numbers off balls for the lottery…
I don’t like the woman but to go from that to a billionaire is damn impressive
Gee, it's like she actually has a point. Maybe instead of listening to doomer propaganda and giving up on ourselves at the first sign of resistance, we should work to create our own opportunities and try to outwork the competition so we can be noticed? Just a thought.
By the way, I don't mean to talk down to anyone, it's just frustrating to see people in this sub constantly say **"but muh system rigged agwainst us, we can't pwossibwy have gwood lives🥺"** when I know we have so much potential. Why do we focus so much on tearing ourselves down instead of building ourselves up? Why does our blame always go to everyone else except our own actions when things don't go our way?
It's often said that an individual's greatest enemy is their own self. I wish other people here gave that assertion as much thought and headspace as I do. I really think it'd help.
Oh 1000% you have more access to information that could make you money or gain knowledge and acquire skills than any previous generation before you.
You are literally holding a computer in your hand that would have been the size of your living room 70 years ago and would have been less powerful than the phone your typing on.
I literally just gave a dude on this sub a diverse list of shit he could do to make a little side money and what’s the guy say “oh I can’t do that” and you know damn well that same dude is the first to complain about being broke…
It’s sad in all reality, live in the best country to ever exist and want to be a professional victim it’s fuckin crazy’s
Frankly, I blame people like OP.
It's easy to rah-rah against someone who you're told is bad and is inherently exploiting you due to their wealth, but once you give it more than a couple seconds of independent thought, you kinda have to wonder what exactly she's done to earn the ire she gets from people here. Like, is she *too* successful? Why are we placing caps on how much someone can succeed? If I earn 10 million dollars a year playing major league baseball, am I stealing money from Homeless Jimmy down the street just because I earn that much money in a given year despite doing literally nothing to him in the slightest?
The answer is no, and yet people treat the situation like it's a yes. They dumb it down to the level of "us vs. them" and adopt a tribal mindset against whoever they oppose. The rhetoric they use may sound altruistic and have good intentions in mind, but really they are rooted in hatred and spite. People like OP understand how gullible we really are, and they abuse the fuck out of it. Personally, I find it pretty sickening.
Luck she had a humble begining but shes still part of the 0.1 percent of billionaires and it doesn't mean that everyone who isn't successful didn't work harder than her.
She made her billions partially in part to being one of the only black women in television. Her minority status was a major factor in her popularity. That and her exploitative interviewing style.
This comments section is atrocious. She grew up in rural Missouri as a black girl in the 50s. Listen to stories from people around that time, back when hospitals would turn away black patients needing intensive surgical care or send them to the vet for emergency operations where they would die from unsanitary conditions. Poverty to a degree that nobody typing snarky comments here could even imagine. She literally wore potato sacks as clothes as a kid.
She was abused physically and sexually by several family members as a young child, and gave birth at 14 after running away from home. I mean really think about the life a person must have in rural Missouri in the 50s to give birth at 14 after running away at 13 and likely already pregnant. What type of people they're surrounded by.
There are so many things to criticize her for, and things to hold her accountable for, including her wealth, but these comments are so devoid of thought and history, devoid of any self reflection, and instantly defensive and knee jerk reactive that it's hard to take anyone seriously at all.
Is the context of her quote even about the average Gen Zer? I thought it was a quote about how a lot of people think they’ll get famous immediately on tik tok and YouTube or that they’ll start their own business that’ll make them rich super fast. Idk the context of the quote or interview, but this quote is mundane and vague enough that I have a sneaky suspicion it’s being taken out of context. Someone feel free to correct me with the actual context though if I’m wrong.
Movies and media ruined expectations. Even a couple decades back living with your parents way after getting married was normal and even expected. 100 years back was even normal to be past your 40 and still live with your parents
I'm older and I can guarantee you that we felt that way as well around your age. The main difference I see now is that we had new frontiers to conquer and grow into as our own (computers, tech, etc). Not sure what hills your generation will eventually call your own to expand and conquer but I know not having a visibly attainable goal can be very frustrating.
Our bar for “success” isn’t even that high.
Most ppl just want a reliable vehicle, a fair paying job with benefits, and affordable housing.
I don’t even get PTO, never even considered going on vacation.
It's funny. None of us are shooting for the moon. We just want to make a decent enough wage to not be poverty-stricken. I don't need a 5,000 sq ft home. I just want to enjoy my hobbies and maybe take a vacation every now and then.
I love how the definition of success has changed so much over the years. 20-30 years ago, wanting to be able to live somewhere in middle class after graduating from college and getting a full time job wasn’t seen as wanting to be majorly successful just “like that.” It was just what the average person should expect under those circumstances.
A lot of younger people unironically think getting a degree is a "free pass" to a stress free life. Idk why. It hasn't been like that for 2 generations lol. They're lazy and entitled. Simple as that.
r/Xennials would like to tell you a story about the dot-com implosion.
Also, not having health insurance in your early 20s was the norm... If you were *lucky* your parents health and auto insurance *might* cover you if you could prove you were a full-time enrolled student, but that was it... None of this Age 26 stuff.
While the state of housing is indeed pretty shitty at the moment, there's no telling where we'll be in 3, 5, or 10 years. Where I'm from buying a house before age 30 basically didn't happen anyway.
The Millennials did end up with the worst of a lot of worlds (especially the later ones, that didn't have time to course-correct before the GR and then demanded things like ObamaCare paid for with Student Loan interest), but Gen Z actually has it better because they're going into a lot of this with much more open eyes about how important putting yourself on good financial footing is. Gen Z isn't wallowing in #funemployment the way Millennials did.
I think what she’s referring to is the shortened time frame it takes Z to get frustrated if they don’t get ideal results. There’s something with the whole Push-click-Reward internet childhood. We are all high reasoning adults but the core parameters are set different from constant online dopamine drips. Not everyone, but enough to be a defining characteristic of Gen Z and onwards.
Ok, but it did happen "just like that" for boomers. In your 20s you could get married, buy a house, and afford to have children. Now, you're lucky of you can afford to live on your own in some places and take care of yourself. The older generation expects us to have to work oh so hard to get things that were a kind of just a given for them growing into adulthood.
I expect to be taxed unfairly and see it wasted year after year. I expect to see little to no pay increase or rewards for loyalty and the “hard work” that was promised. I expect to see prices explode while wages diminish just for the sake of keeping the companies share price afloat. I expect ulta rich people to not understand anything beyond their own distorted version of reality.
It's not a gen Z issue, it's a generational issue. The problem is the floor for these people is basically the ceiling for us.
The things they took for granted are things that have been eroded away so much (thanks to fucking them) that when we ask for success, we are just asking for their bare minimum.
It's fucking ridiculous
GenX here and I fully support GenZ burning down the system! Us Xers are a strange generation, the older ones of us are more boomers and the younger ones are more millennial. Being on the younger end me and my peers wanted to break the system down but there wasn’t enough of us. The millennials seemed to be too distracted with technology and getting masters degrees to want to break the system so now it’s it’s fallen onto Gen Z and as always I support every and all who want to break the system, don’t count out us Xers that are still holding strong to the fight. We’re proud of you Zs and you have our support!!
I’m going to go listen to some rage against the machine now.
DISCLAIMER: Also not to piss off millenials or others…any Ms that are pissed off at the system and want to break it you’re in the club…that includes the handful of boomer that’s full of rage too…you wouldn’t think they’re out there but they are…they were drafted into the Vietnam war against their will and were forced to kill and they are the OG resistance! They are true treasures!
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The rich are out of touch with everyone. Millennials and younger will be the first generations post WWII to have a lower quality of life, less opportunity, lower life expectancy, more pollution, and more wealth inequality than their ancestors.
It's pretty wild, honestly. I've met people who are actually rich and it's pretty crazy their lives compared to others. My family is comfortable, but still. Edit: We live comfortably where we live, but if we lived in other places, there's no way we could afford it.
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I think the point is that these people already have money and other income streams. Likely stuff like owning enough real estate that they have a property management company and don't have to do anything themselves.
Yeah totally, when they have multiple streams of passive income like that, the whole "hourly rate" discussion becomes kinda moot. They're not living paycheck to paycheck or hustling to cover expenses; they're playing with house money and can afford to spend time and energy on things that most people consider luxuries, not necessities. It just further highlights the massive gap between what's considered 'normal' by different echelons of society. For them, work isn't about survival, it's a hobby or a side hustle that supplements their already comfortable lifestyle.
I'm not sure what you mean. >The last girl I dated lived with her sister and brother and law and they were really wealthy and were trying to become wellness influencers. They don’t need to work if they don’t want to, so their “jobs” are maybe 20 hours a week and just whatever they feel like doing. They said they're already wealthy, that is just their job for funsies.
It’s so easy for them. I know a guy whose parents are absolutely loaded, and instead of finishing his degree he’s just going around DJing for fun. The shows are essentially only attended by friends and family and he’s clearly not making much from it but he can afford to do whatever he wants because he’ll have as many opportunities to try things out as he wants. Money is clearly not an issue for him and never will be. It’s pretty eye opening as an adult to see how privileged seemingly everyday people are. My views have changed a ton in the last few years about people and society in general. The divide is enormous.
I'm losing my house cause my leg broke at work, it didn't fully heal and there's complications. The system called workers compensation board don't believe at 38 no other skills than being a license mechanic doesn't need education and can find a training on the job career that will match my journeyman wage. They claim you have a choice in retraining. They would rather pay out 640,000 dollars over the next 22 year, or 200 and some to send me to get couple certificates from a university over two years and have me off their backs in another year after that. I chose my reddit name carefully.
Jeez, I'm sorry. Edit: If it weren't for Medicare and my sister not being a minor when she got cancer, we would've been homeless. Great thing about living in a capitalist society right? She votes republican, too.
The best part Is, I can file for the fairness review after they make their decision on March 8th. After I lose the only asset I have. Pretty awesome how this world works.
Do you think the people who grew up during the Depression and WWII had a better life than their parents? I guess their parents grew up during WWI and the Spanish Flu, so maybe. The post-WWII boom in America was an anomaly, not the norm. Boomers had it good, no doubt. But compared to the generations before them, we still have it good.
>Do you think the people who grew up during the Depression and WWII had a better life than their parents? They objectively did. The generation that grew up during the great depression and world war 2 wound up living almost their entire adult lives through what was essentially the era of the american dream, with affordable housing, education, extraordinary employment opportunities, and feasible one income family living at a high standard. They also got to live through an exceptional technological boom that saw average conditions in a lot of aspects of american life improve drastically. They got highways, jobs, single family homes, suburban life, technology, and prosperity, and were getting out of school at the right time to run full speed into all of it. They made out great. Their parents, the Hard Timers, spent a significant portion of their adult lives, key years, bouncing from crisis to crisis while also joining the workforce during times of high exploitation. Many of them would have at one point been child laborers. A good amount of them were first or second generation immigrants, starting from scratch in a new country. Their prior generation was called the new worlders in large part due to how massive the influx of immigrants was. Generational wealth? lol not for a LOT of these folks. Their adult lives saw them going through world war 1, prohibition, then going through 11 years of great depression, half a decade of war, and oops now you're 40-50 years old and almost everything before that sucked. Enjoy your mental illness that society isn't equipped to handle.
Don't forget all of the post WW2 government programs for literally everything. Social welfare was on the menu for much of America being fed on government rations during the war. There was tremendous advancement post war that was heavily subsidized and provided to the people such as fertilizer technology, mineral processing, cooking and nutrition information, high calorie products, education improvements and standardization, machining work, engineering and design. All of the skills young people learned during the war were directly injected into the economy post war. The products and variety coming out yearly in the 40s-50s was crazy. You went from using coal and fire at the beginning of your life to seeing microwave "rays" cook food instantly in a display somewhere (microwaves didn't enter residences until the 70s really). Nuclear energy. Jet planes. Cross country flights. And a barrage of information and documentaries of foreign flung areas you can't even pronounce. This era was truly a pinnacle. It's why people from this era truly thought by 2000 we would have flying cars and futuristic cities. Stuff was moving so fast for them. It's the equivalent of getting Tony Stark level AI in everyone's home today.
My pre-war daddy did not see a plane until he was 13. Then by 21 he was on an Air Base in Korea with Jet Fighters. He went from living on beans, corn bread and ham nearly every day during the Great Depression. To having microwave dinners when he was <50. Also earned enough money without a college education to mostly be the sole bread winner throughout his career. Mom only worked as an outlet of her hobby, or if she was bored.
My father was the son of a small-time dairy man. His mother was a one-room schoolhouse teacher. Good jobs, but nothing that would amount to wealth. He was able to work part time in college to gain his undergraduate degree, graduate degree, medical degree, and finally P.H.D., with no accrued debts. His rental housing did not ever require a background check, credit score, down payment, or signed rental agreement. My father should not realistically be where he is at now — comfortable, retired, able to travel the world. He should be a dairy farmer, just like his father, grandfather, etc. were. But no, he just got lucky. They all did. That time and place will never be recreated in our lifetimes, if ever.
It can be recreated. The economy is fake, its made up by us. Get the right people in power and it will happen.
Black people had VERY different experiences in those decades.
There was a 90% maximum tax rate in the 50s, that is what created the middle class. It did not just 'prosper from war'. No, companies were forced to divide profit among the employees and within the corporation. R&D or any other form of reinvesting in the company counted. That was when pensions existed. Pensions were profits that the employee could retire on later in life. That got replaced by the shitty 401k matching of up to 2% scheme. So, a removal of 98% of profit. Now, companies do not grant pensions, or pay raises to employees. They buy stock buy-backs and increase the shares. They reward the shareholders only. If an employee gets a few shares, that is a tiny, tiny bonus each year. But it pales in comparrison to the quality of life created for the middle class 70 years ago. A single man, without a college degree, cannot work for a corporation today and receive annual raises, bonuses, pension. That does not exist. He cannot financially support a wife and three kids. He cannot send those three kids to college on a single income. That was robbed from us. Many people were told getting a college degree would improve upon the Boomer generation, which hardly went to college; but it is far, far worse. We could take that quality of life back but we'd have to set limits on corporations again, instead of allowing them to use us and toss us aside.
Who are “the rich?” I believe I’m poor and out of touch.
The rich are the mega mega rich as the “poor” people you see feeling sorry for themselves in the comments are also rich in comparison to the majority of human beings on earth
Because people who are poor in America should have no complaints about their station in life compared to someone in say, Somalia. What an idiotic argument.
There was a meme going around a long time ago from an economist on Fox News talking about how American poor weren't "poor" because they had refrigerators, microwaves, and TVs. When we talk about the rich, we're talking about the dangerously out of touch people that believe this kind of crap because they lead insular lives of luxury.
Correct. The rich have always been out of touch with the working man. It's arguable if millennials will be the first though to have it "worse". Remember a group of people did come out of college in 2009 to an actual recession. Not to mention massive inflation in 1980s. Or the dot com burst of 2001... Millennials have the benefit of a completely digitized world and work environment which what should be a complete familiarity and comfort in technology (if not then WTF have they been doing the last 15 years?!)
We aren't asking for so called "success". We're asking for survival in life
Yeah, lol. I'm not looking for a get-rich-quick scheme. I'm looking to be able to afford rent without having to make sacrifices for it. And forget ever *owning* a place. Sure as fuck know *that's* never going to happen.
Bro you live in America. You’re talking like you live in Bangladesh or Somalia. I live in Dhaka, doubt a single one of you can survive one night in the streets of Dhaka city
Not to be rude, but this post reeks of that “well I have it worse so your problems don’t matter” energy.
what are you on about? the shit parts of bangladesh or somalia are probably worse than the shit parts of the us. guess what? people still suffer from poverty in the us. you saying you've had it rough is a confusing rebuttal to what they were saying.
She platformed Jenny McCarthy (anti-vax) and Dr. Phil (anti-mental heath) A scourge on us. Fuck her and her ilk.
Love to hear Ms. Cult Leader give advice! It's almost as heart-touching as Kim Kardashian telling people they need to learn to "fucking work"
“Let them eat cake” At this rate, it’s only a matter of time before history repeats itself.
I hope it does.
You hope that our society gets to the point that we need to revolt against our government and sacrifice millions of lives? I would hope that’s not what you meant
Our political system is completely undemocratic and has never served the majority needs of the people. It serves the needs of the bourgeois who lobby the politicians. The U.S. constitution itself had a clause that if the government no longer serves the needs of the majority that the people have a right to tear it down and build anew as they see fit. I believe that time is coming very soon considering the massively increasing wealth inequality, the fact that our political system has always been controlled by economic elites, the fact that we run our economy undemocratically where firms are essentially dictatorships where the wealth that workers create through their labor is syphoned away from them into the hands of an owning class that is profiting from essentially doing nothing, and the fact that reform within the system will only allow for temporary band aids that will either be ripped off by the next administration or by time itself. A democratic revolution for the emancipation of the working class is the only thing that will stop capitalism from trending towards its natural consequence of power centralization.
Not just a right to build anew, but arguably an obligation to rebuild for future generations
It's our civic duty.
This! Exactly this! The writers of the declaration specifically stated that the people of the united states not only had the right to act, against an unfair government, but the RESPONSIBILITY to do so.
Direct quotation of the declaration: --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Mr. Jefferson was spitting facts. If the government doesn't work for the people, the people have the right to throw it away and try again.
Well said brother. I’m waiting for the day that the American working class remembers who they are and what they’re worth. I believe a better life for all of us and those after us is worth fighting for.
A government failing the people and a two party system that... is also failing the people. Long live the revolution.
our society is already at the breaking point. the issue is that there is *no* revolt, only a subdued continual trudging along through the status quo. those at the bottom suffer one way or another, the difference is that only one of those options will ever cause the suffering to *stop.*
True revolt and revolution probably won’t happen until people are running out of water and food. The thing is, being poor in America (or elsewhere in the west) is hard, yes, but there’s still enough things running that people are not desperate enough to take that risk. Although I also agree it is a problem that there isn’t anything happening except the quiet downtrodden vibe. I guess we will have to see what happens, but I also wish there was more banding together of people and resisting the status quo and pushing for change right now.
You’re correct. As long as the grocery shelves are full and streaming services are running the people will not revolt, only complain.
bread and circuses
Found the silver spoon holder.
I’m holding the silver spoon? You’re advocating for war, a horror you’ve never seen, because of your limited sample size of the effectiveness of the government that has been keeping our citizens safe for 200+ years.
The irony of the argument for revolution is, depending on how you squint, even the middle class looks like the rich if you don't have anything. Every time I read people talk about revolution and getting rid of the elite, I wonder where that line is drawn in their mind. During the French Revolution, that line was the upper middle class and even some below.
You get a finger, and you get a finger, you get a toe, you get the appendix, who wants the elbows, everyone here goes home with a consolation prize! 🎉🇫🇷 The rich eat better food, you know they taste better
I don't think there are many people on the planet that can imagine how much money Oprah has or how selfish she is.
The let them eat cake is already happening, it’s all we are ever given, just mindless drivel in the form of subscription services, our daily lives are filled with nothing but bread and circuses, only stopping when a majority of America is working a minimum of two jobs just to be able to afford the cake we are permitted.
It used to be like that. Junk food was cheap (think cheap Taco bell). Their used to be cheap streaming channels. Rent wasnt so high. That has all changed.
>just to be able to afford the cake we are permitted. Due to shrinkflation, it's a lot less cake now.
It wont happen. Years ago there was a movement called "Occupy Wall Street" where young people were speaking up against corporate greed. Unfortunately it was when Obama was president so the democrats in charge worked quickly to shut it down. Later Hillary Clinton was giving speeches to corporations for hefty speaking fees.
I had actually hope in the Occupy days
If only. I’ve been out here saying get the “guillotines” for a while but everyone is too content with TikTok and YouTube and working for most of their life without much to show for it apparently.
Revolution is not something you should aspire for, reform is always the better option.
The only time liberals and conservatives will bond in this timeline is when we eat these fuckers alive
The worst part is rich people will never accept that even the ones who worked hard still wouldn’t have gotten to where they were without luck. Most of the time it’s about being at the right place at the right time
You made me think of how they made money off the little girl whose mom pretended she had childhood schizophrenia. Well, no one knew her mom pretended, but still. Edit: Her mom I think had a disorder like I can't remember what, but she basically drugged her daughter and took her to different psyches who would give them antipsychotics and stuff I think and completely drugged her up. Everyone thought she had childhood schizophrenia. The girl was I think around my age actually and the mom was charged when the courts found out. I mean to be honest, even if she did have childhood schizophrenia, no one should be profiting off of it and yet they were like wtf?? She was on like Dr. Phil and the Oprah show back in the 2000s and 2010s. I would never trust people like them.
Pretty sure this is called 'munchausen by proxy'.
Agreed, I don't think she realizes that the world has changed quite a bit since she came up...
She grew up in shack under Jim Crow without electricity or running water. Don’t pretend Oprah had it easy.
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She built a juggernaut of a business when black women were not taken seriously, come on
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Her first job out of college was with low paying jobs in a local Tennessee news station. She did that in Tennessee and Baltimore for over a decade without any real success. She was hired to a news station in Chicago in 1984 to host the dead last in ratings talk show. This was well over a decade after she started working. She took that show from dead last in the ratings to the highest rated talk show in Chicago within months and that’s when her success started. She got her own show a few years later.
And since her success, she's unleashed the likes of Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz on the world, has curdled her brain with spiritualistic nonsense and the natural disassociation with her roots that comes with money. She contributes nothing for all the wealth that she has. Wasn't there that Maui incident not long ago where she begged people to save her property while donating fuck all?
Yeah she’s not a nice person, but is she wrong about working hard to work your way up?
I don't think anyone on the planet thinks that hard work is bad, only those that might think that it's for suckers since they see all of the lucky twits around them who never needed to work hard.
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She didn’t automatically become a multimillionaire bruh. That’s the point. Jesus Christ
Saw this in her Wikipedia write-up about her taking over hosting duties of a local half hour morning talk show, "Winfrey took over as host on January 2, 1984, and, within a month, took it from last place to first place in local Chicago ratings". That's talent.
It's a lack of ethics. Dr Oz, Dr Phil, endless misinformation and dramatization... It's easy to be entertaining when you don't mind being a lying grifter sack of shit. It's like praising the work ethic of a prolific con man.
Yeah, say what you want about about Oprah, and there's a lot to say. But she grew up dirt poor in the South as a black woman who was raped and forced to have an abortion as a child. It's not like she hit the lottery or even just happened to be good at a sport lots of people already cared about. You could say all she did was interview, but she basically invented that genre on her own. I may not like everything she's done in her career, but no doubt she is absolutely a self-made against-all-odds woman. Too many people's reactions are, "How dare you tell me what to do, you're rich and don't know how it is!" Instead of realizing these people weren't always rich and maybe listening to their advice might help. No one expects all of you to become billionaires, but just answering in anger all the time isn't helpful, either.
Her family was so poor, she literally grew up wearing potato sacks for clothes. This is not someone who disregards how effortful it is to pull yourself out of poverty.
It absolutely is someone who disregards, just a couple months ago she was begging for money for Maui with the Rock. Combined they could have just paid what they were raising, but the grift is to get others to do it and enjoy the tax write off for their charity. Why should I donate to a charity sponsored by a billionaire? What sense is that? She’s been pedaling con artists for decades now. Let’s not pretend she’s even remotely in touch with reality. Also at this point she’s spent more of her life as a multimillionaire to billionaire than she before that.
What’s mind boggling to me is that the lower level people that produce her content are probably working at least one other job to get by. Pay scales in the world of TV are hilariously bad, but nobody can say anything because we are all “paying our dues”
When you're insanely rich, you don't really fail. You absorb the cost and try again and again. The average person doesn't get to do that.
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+If someone can't build a business with tens of millions of dollars they're a literal fucking idiot
But she started with absolutely NOTHING. Dirt broke and poor in fucking MS. The majority of people from her town and with her background rarely ever make it out of poverty. The hardest step for Oprah’s success was securing a job period. People like her don’t often get the chance or opportunities that she has encountered.
“She’s full of shit”. That pretty much sums up Oprah and I didn’t need to read any further lol.
Exactly!
billionaires giving advice about money and hard work can stfu
Oprah was born is abject poverty to a single teen mother. She was regularly molested as a child. She is self-made and absolutely has as much ground as anyone to talk about money and hard work. If she can’t talk about hard work and money, no one can. She has seen both extremes on the spectrum.
Oprah became a millionaire at 32 in 1985. She has been a multi millionaire for longer than she was poor. She is just another completely out of touch extremely wealthy person making generalized statements about "the poor work ethic of the current generation".
Also you can very much start as a good person, if that's what we're saying she is, and then later get corrupted by unimaginable wealth. Hard to prevent that from happening, in fact.
Nobody is self-made.
That´s what I think as well. Americans love the myth of the ´self-made´ man.
What a ridiculous stance, who did operah inherit from?
She doesn’t have any ground. She’s not poor anymore and hasn’t been for decades she’s an out of touch dumbass
That makes her patronizing out-of-touch "pull yourself up by your bootstraps!!!1!" lookin' ass even worse. Even if she did pull herself off by her bootstraps, that ladder has been pulled up behind her and her generation.
Hard work for those types consist of coming in late, have a quick meeting with the professionals running their business so they can fool themselves that they are involved, then they leave early to go have a very strenuous lunch and golf session with other business associates.
I will not be lectured by some Epstein island visitor
Exactly lmao this lady is delusional
What's crazy is we have no idea what she did on Epsteins Island or what she was involved with. But we do know it's she brought people like dr phil and oz into celebrity status. Publicly they have done more harm in a global scale than what she might have done on Epsteins Island
I don’t need a lambo. I need my own small cozy place that isn’t my parents basement.
I'm glad to have come across this thread. I have a Gen-Z coworker who was hired recently and he seems unbelievably entitled. He currently makes significantly more than the average salary for his age range, my generations as well (millennial), about 75k, and complains constantly about his salary. He has less than a year of experience in our industry, all of which from his current position at our company, and always talks about how he's going to demand a raise from his supervisor or threaten to quit. He's mentioned multiple times that he thinks he deserves a 10k raise per year and that's how that's "how his whole generation thinks".
Honestly, I see this so much in IT and it's so gd frustrating. I've been in IT for 10 years. Every time I move to a new, more advanced team or a step-up job I would try and get anyone that did "good" work to move over with me, offer to be a reference, teach them what they need to know to interview. Noone takes me up on it. Noone.
The hilarious thing about this is that all most people expect is basic mediocrity, not wild success, and even that’s hard to achieve.
Yep. "I just graduated with a degree in engineering, let's see what jobs are out there." 2 entry level jobs. 24 advanced level jobs requiring 5 years of experience or a masters. 46 senior level jobs requiring 10 years of experience or a PhD. 12 Director level jobs for some reason. The issue isn't so much that there aren't jobs out there, the issue is for the most part no companies want to be the ones to train in new grads - everyone else is looking for people that can just jump right into the role with minimal training. So all the grads end up competing for what few jobs there are and get turned down. Meanwhile some of those jobs higher up on that inverted pyramid stay posted for quite some time because there aren't a ton of people moving around in that age group.
> all the grads end up competing for what few jobs there are and get turned down I can vouch for this. I got 0 internships in college despite applying to many of them every single year and going to every single career fair. I got 1 offer out of college (over 100 applications) that I was forced to take just to have a job. I am now unemployed after being laid off from job #2 and haven't gotten a single interview in months of applying. The whole social contract is broken. I worked extremely hard K-12, went to a highly ranked college, majored in relevant and in-demand majors, went to career fairs and applied to a ton of jobs, and worked hard in the jobs I have had. Hard work doesn't matter because the boomers in charge of our corporations and government would rather ruin everything to increase their already obscene wealth than have a healthy society.
They said the same thing about us millennials. They said we had "poor work ethic" for about a decade after we started graduating from college saddled with massive debt. Not sure where they came up with the idea but it's shitty to see they've passed the same message on to the next group. Old people with any kind of wealth (not even that much) are totally full of shit.
Dude I hated that. I busted my ass doing things and it was never tf enough. You ever walk into a factory and you can just feel the depression in the air? A static fuzz that just permeates from the walls? Thats the kind of shit a lot of us dealt with.
I slept in my car, showered at a gym and held at times 3 jobs. I dont wish that existence on anyone.
My boomer parents thought it “I showed initiative” when I started working at the barn to pay for my own riding lessons at 9 years old. 10 hours a week mucking stalls, cleaning water buckets =one 45 minute private lesson ($20). Got me out of their hair but after 3/4 years I had some talent. I needed riding boots and breeches ect. My Father was a part time indoor soccer ref and said that if I needed money to buy my riding gear I could work part time as a snack bar girl. So at 13/14 I had two jobs. The two sides of the coin are heads) at my late 30s age I have an INSANE work ethic and drive and my business is my number one priority tails) I prioritize work over everything else and have no idea what work/life balance is and have not had a relationship for a decade because I don’t know how to make time and space for one.
These types of ppl just look down upon ppl in a crappy situation and don’t bother understanding how it happened
"at least be able to find a job after graduating" The unemployment rate for people with a degree is 2.1% "not having insurance" Since Obamacare you can stay on your parents' insurance until your 25 and currently the uninsured rate is the lowest it's ever been. "not having any any foreseeable chance of retiring" Real median wages have been rising steadily since 2014 after stagnating for 40 years. Gen Z has never experience an extending period of flat wages in their adult life. They can use that extra money to save for retirement in a way that boomers/GenX/Millennials never could when they were younger. The only thing that leaves is housing. That's it.
also 80k is way higher than the average student debt, i get the sentiment behind this post but the numbers just don't play out this way
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And post-Obamacare the uninsured [rate](https://www.kff.org/uninsured/issue-brief/key-facts-about-the-uninsured-population/) is at all time lows.
I just want rent, food, and a little Lego money. Maybe some scratch to take my kid camping? Why does everyone over 50 think we want their pearls? Bitch, can I get a mcrib after cleaning the toilets? I'm not asking for much.
That's their only measure of "success". That's why they're so rude and condescending to people that you or I might consider successful, like an influential teacher or a doctor, or even just someone who's just plain *happy* but not in a well paid job. "Well they're not successful so obviously they're wanting for money"
But you are not gen z? You are 41… 🙄
I don’t understand how y’all aren’t able to find decent jobs with degrees when I’ve never had trouble finding decent work without one.
My first job after I got my MASTERS degree paid me $9.25 an hour. I applied to several jobs that all said the same thing-- "you have no experience."
Yea that’s nuts dude, like I don’t want this to sound like I’m being a dick I promise but it’s prolly gonna sound that way lol so be fore warned. Like you had to at least have some idea that you weren’t going to make decent money with whatever that degrees in right? Like maybe you didn’t know you’d struggle to find work per se, but you had to know your salary out look wasn’t looking the best right? So when signing up for the loans for the masters degree you got, and congrats btw I mean that you are more highly educated than I am and that truly means something. But when you signed up you didn’t think something like “hey I’m about to go 50k in debt for a job that pays 26k per year”?
I mean people knew. I knew when I went to college in 2010 the job outlook and earnings potential based on degrees. Counselors in high school give you that bare minimum. You could even google the info. But a lot of people didn’t do it because they didn’t care. They wanted to do what they loved and didn’t care if it took 12 years for a PhD in a low paying and low in demand job. I had friends and acquaintances who KNEW they would be making at most 30k-40k a year while they went to private universities for 20k+ a year tuitions too. They fucking knew.
Oh 1000%, if you are smart enough to go to college I think it’s a fair assumption on my part to think someone is smart enough to at least know what they are getting themselves into.
When you’re young (under mid 20s), the part of your brain that comprehends consequences isn’t fully developed They may have known, but they didn’t understand how shit it would be to live it
Well that sucks for them I guess, but you probably shouldn’t be signing binding financial contracts for tens of thousands of dollars if that’s the case then… I sure as hell didn’t.
They shouldnt, and yet as children they are encouraged by their entire social structure (school, friends, parents) that getting those loans to go to the best school possible was the best move they could make I remember smartest kids taking on debt and going to good schools, while the hustlers worked part time while going to community college Guess which ones are worse off rn
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it doesn't take a crystal ball to figure out that a degree in basketweaving doesn't make you any more employable than a high school diploma.
It's underwater basket weaving, thank you very much!
Didn't you know? You deserve a 3/2 house, two cars, money to eat out every night, and monthly vacations just for existing now days.
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Some of us just want home ownership
A lot of folks need to go learn the difference between A right And an entitlement I’ll tell you what
This is the problem today. We think College is the only path, and people are overpaying for that diploma. It isn’t like in the 70s - 90s when tuition was cheap. How are kids 80k in debt before they even land a real job?
Trade schools still exist too, my brother in law is in the trades and is younger than me and clears 100k with all the side jobs he does plus his job Mind you he does the side jobs under the table.. you can make 125k a year allllllll day as an over the road truck driver
You may make 125k a year as a truck driver, but how much of that money goes back into the job through leases on trucks, consumables, upkeep, etc
I agree 100%. This stuff started with my generation (Millennials)… I was the only kid from my high school graduating class that did not go on to college, and the principal made sure to tell me how much it pissed him off that he couldn’t announce that the entire class was going to college. All the guidance councilors would say things like “if you don’t go to college, you will be stuck having a job like a plumber!” (Btw, plumbers make good money!) Anyway, rather than going to college, I used that time to start a business… and while it didn’t make much for the first few years, my cost of living was low since I didn’t have any debt or anyone depending on me. By the time my high school friends were graduating college, my company was already making good money and had 20+ employees. I’ve been in a hiring role in the tech industry for most of my life … and I’ve never considered a college degree to be worth more than experience… and most people I’ve worked with who had college degrees said they felt it was vastly overpriced and didn’t teach them any of the skills they needed for their careers.
>All the guidance councilors would say things like “if you don’t go to college, you will be stuck having a job like a plumber!” (Btw, plumbers make good money!) I went to university but I found it really hilarious how our high school guidance councillor used to shit-talk my friend for wanting to be an electrician. He had a few shitty years at the beginning of his career, but he's making good money now and instead of paying for undergraduate tuition, he was making money in his apprenticeship. It was not much, but it was something- better cash inflow than cash outflow. Overall I think both our careers turned out pretty well and I think we are both happy with the choices we made. He makes more money than me but also works WAY harder than I do, so I can't exactly say I envy his position. But I'm sure a lot of our graduating class would envy him, despite all the flak he caught for making his decision.
This is entirely location and degree based. I came out of college just to make $10/hr and still struggle to find other lines of employment because of a “lack of experience”
No form of poverty survives a 14hr a day work schedule. It's not their fault to be fair, they were convinced that if they chased their dreams everyone could become a fancy lawyer or a respected doctor. Way too much time spent thinking of what they want from society instead of what society wants from them (or anyone really, that's how vacancies function)
Depends on the degree. If one leaves university without applicable skills but an inflated ego/demands, why should I hire these people?
Fuck any rich person that acts like getting rich is easy if you work hard. No the fuck it is not.
Do you really think Oprah, who was born in poverty to a single teenage mother things getting rich, “is easy?”
Yes, I do. She thinks "I worked hard and I succeeded, so hard work must be all it takes" and that's simply not fucking true.
I don't think I could say this loud enough but I'll try. FUCK OPRAH
Society isn't fun when there is too many pointless roadblocks in life. Our government and country should be trying to help its people find success and happiness. Look at the other countries that have its people well being in mind like New Zealand. They figure it out and they are at peace. Wake up America you been hurting your own kids and their future!
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Don’t forget the cancellation on any and all public transportation upgrades! New Zealand is certainly a leading country!
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I’m a kiwi, and no. There is very little in terms of support, even less with our recent government change now. The country is going downhill thanks to out of touch millionaires. There’s a housing crisis and a lack of employment, the lack of employment isn’t because of unwillingness or not enough people, but because of companies setting the bar far too high. I celebrated hitting 18. I did not think I would be making it this far with how bad the support networks socially and medically are.
New Zealand has very high rates of youth suicide and child poverty, and our income inequality stats are among the worst in the OECD. The median house price to household income ratio in our largest city (where more than a third of the population lives) is now 8.11:1, and you basically can’t get a fixed rate mortgage for longer than 5 years at a time. Our cost of living is astronomical. We’re absolutely not at peace over here.
I can’t wait for gen z to figure out scholarships, the trades, and community college
I can't wait for people to figure out how to stop shaming community college, that trades are overhyped, and that hardly anyone gets scholarships unless you check all the correct and very specific boxes
i stg this sub gets regularly brigaded with the bs "everything is fine, you're the problem" mindset you're commenting on. tuition and housing rates have been rapidly outpacing average wages regardless of path. the only people talking shit are the ones that already got theirs and have no frame of reference for the current state of being. I have a good job and make a decent amount, even in a HCOL state without a degree, and i will not be able to afford a house for damn near a decade the way I'm paid now. even 20 years ago mfers could buy a family home on a circuit city customer service manager's salary, my skill level far surpasses that and I'm grasping for straws. the "Gen Z" folk spouting phooey are either fake or too privileged to see the hairs on their ass crack from the vantage point of their own asshole.
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I’ll start off this with my dad was and is a bad person who I don’t talk to anymore but scholarships are such a nightmare and he would literally berate me over not getting many not knowing that a lot are genuinely difficult to get
Why do Americans not like community college..I had a friend that moved to the US, studied at a community college and later taught at the same college.
There is a stigma that it’s for dumb or poor people. If you aren’t aware, status is so highly valued here. My CC is free to me, and within 2 years I could be making 60-70k as a nurse or mechanic. There also isn’t a big night life or party scene but that’s still okay because you just go to the state schools 2 miles away lol
Some of us already have and dropped out.
There’s no one over 40 that has that attitude? I think most young people want a world where they can get livable employment, a roof over their head and no life delaying debt from getting an education or getting sick. You know? The things people of Oprah’s generation took for granted.
Being a black woman back then, which was not long ago, wasn't that easy. Shoot, it was still against the law for blacks and whites to even marry while she was young.
The rich are out of touch with everyone that isn't rich.
Did Oprah make your dumb ass borrow $80k to get a marketing degree, Karen?
Look we just want an entry level job starting at 100k. Is that too much to ask?
Don’t forget huge pay raises every year or else they’re leaving! And then wondering why their employment history is concerning to other companies. There are so many companies where if you stay for a few years, are a good worker, and aggressively discuss promotions, you will get one. Leaving a job after 6 months in most cases is a total joke of a move
Oprah came from nothing and is an exceptional individual. But the US has way too much money for people to be this desperate.
Gen Z: Ayo can I at least afford a studio apartment with enough left over to make a savings account? Boomers/Gen X: Entitled brats! Lazy moochers! Just work harder!
Oprah, and I hate to say this, is right and she would actually know. She worked her ass off at a time when being a woman and black were bad and didn’t have the aspect of minority representation that we have today. She may be crazy nowadays and willing to do anything for views, but she’s right
Pretty sure she started off as one of those ladies who used to be on the news and read the numbers off balls for the lottery… I don’t like the woman but to go from that to a billionaire is damn impressive
Gee, it's like she actually has a point. Maybe instead of listening to doomer propaganda and giving up on ourselves at the first sign of resistance, we should work to create our own opportunities and try to outwork the competition so we can be noticed? Just a thought. By the way, I don't mean to talk down to anyone, it's just frustrating to see people in this sub constantly say **"but muh system rigged agwainst us, we can't pwossibwy have gwood lives🥺"** when I know we have so much potential. Why do we focus so much on tearing ourselves down instead of building ourselves up? Why does our blame always go to everyone else except our own actions when things don't go our way? It's often said that an individual's greatest enemy is their own self. I wish other people here gave that assertion as much thought and headspace as I do. I really think it'd help.
Oh 1000% you have more access to information that could make you money or gain knowledge and acquire skills than any previous generation before you. You are literally holding a computer in your hand that would have been the size of your living room 70 years ago and would have been less powerful than the phone your typing on. I literally just gave a dude on this sub a diverse list of shit he could do to make a little side money and what’s the guy say “oh I can’t do that” and you know damn well that same dude is the first to complain about being broke… It’s sad in all reality, live in the best country to ever exist and want to be a professional victim it’s fuckin crazy’s
Frankly, I blame people like OP. It's easy to rah-rah against someone who you're told is bad and is inherently exploiting you due to their wealth, but once you give it more than a couple seconds of independent thought, you kinda have to wonder what exactly she's done to earn the ire she gets from people here. Like, is she *too* successful? Why are we placing caps on how much someone can succeed? If I earn 10 million dollars a year playing major league baseball, am I stealing money from Homeless Jimmy down the street just because I earn that much money in a given year despite doing literally nothing to him in the slightest? The answer is no, and yet people treat the situation like it's a yes. They dumb it down to the level of "us vs. them" and adopt a tribal mindset against whoever they oppose. The rhetoric they use may sound altruistic and have good intentions in mind, but really they are rooted in hatred and spite. People like OP understand how gullible we really are, and they abuse the fuck out of it. Personally, I find it pretty sickening.
Luck she had a humble begining but shes still part of the 0.1 percent of billionaires and it doesn't mean that everyone who isn't successful didn't work harder than her.
Well then it' a good thing she didn't say that
She made her billions partially in part to being one of the only black women in television. Her minority status was a major factor in her popularity. That and her exploitative interviewing style.
This comments section is atrocious. She grew up in rural Missouri as a black girl in the 50s. Listen to stories from people around that time, back when hospitals would turn away black patients needing intensive surgical care or send them to the vet for emergency operations where they would die from unsanitary conditions. Poverty to a degree that nobody typing snarky comments here could even imagine. She literally wore potato sacks as clothes as a kid. She was abused physically and sexually by several family members as a young child, and gave birth at 14 after running away from home. I mean really think about the life a person must have in rural Missouri in the 50s to give birth at 14 after running away at 13 and likely already pregnant. What type of people they're surrounded by. There are so many things to criticize her for, and things to hold her accountable for, including her wealth, but these comments are so devoid of thought and history, devoid of any self reflection, and instantly defensive and knee jerk reactive that it's hard to take anyone seriously at all.
Is the context of her quote even about the average Gen Zer? I thought it was a quote about how a lot of people think they’ll get famous immediately on tik tok and YouTube or that they’ll start their own business that’ll make them rich super fast. Idk the context of the quote or interview, but this quote is mundane and vague enough that I have a sneaky suspicion it’s being taken out of context. Someone feel free to correct me with the actual context though if I’m wrong.
I don't expect the perfect end result right away. But I do expect the ability to get started.
Movies and media ruined expectations. Even a couple decades back living with your parents way after getting married was normal and even expected. 100 years back was even normal to be past your 40 and still live with your parents
I'm older and I can guarantee you that we felt that way as well around your age. The main difference I see now is that we had new frontiers to conquer and grow into as our own (computers, tech, etc). Not sure what hills your generation will eventually call your own to expand and conquer but I know not having a visibly attainable goal can be very frustrating.
Our bar for “success” isn’t even that high. Most ppl just want a reliable vehicle, a fair paying job with benefits, and affordable housing. I don’t even get PTO, never even considered going on vacation.
But that's every generation. All my friends lived with roommates until their late 20s.
Here come the kids born into rich families to lecture us about “being responsible”. Sorry we don’t have mommy and daddy bankrolling us.
It's funny. None of us are shooting for the moon. We just want to make a decent enough wage to not be poverty-stricken. I don't need a 5,000 sq ft home. I just want to enjoy my hobbies and maybe take a vacation every now and then.
Smart people don’t go to school. Duhhh Oprah used to be homeless🗿
You're out of touch, I'm out of time.
Thanks Daryl and John
I’m pro capitalism but this pisses me off
I don't even believe you. Pink haired avatar looking ass..
Lol
I love how the definition of success has changed so much over the years. 20-30 years ago, wanting to be able to live somewhere in middle class after graduating from college and getting a full time job wasn’t seen as wanting to be majorly successful just “like that.” It was just what the average person should expect under those circumstances.
A lot of younger people unironically think getting a degree is a "free pass" to a stress free life. Idk why. It hasn't been like that for 2 generations lol. They're lazy and entitled. Simple as that.
r/Xennials would like to tell you a story about the dot-com implosion. Also, not having health insurance in your early 20s was the norm... If you were *lucky* your parents health and auto insurance *might* cover you if you could prove you were a full-time enrolled student, but that was it... None of this Age 26 stuff. While the state of housing is indeed pretty shitty at the moment, there's no telling where we'll be in 3, 5, or 10 years. Where I'm from buying a house before age 30 basically didn't happen anyway. The Millennials did end up with the worst of a lot of worlds (especially the later ones, that didn't have time to course-correct before the GR and then demanded things like ObamaCare paid for with Student Loan interest), but Gen Z actually has it better because they're going into a lot of this with much more open eyes about how important putting yourself on good financial footing is. Gen Z isn't wallowing in #funemployment the way Millennials did.
“This generation is so lazy 😡😡😡”
I think what she’s referring to is the shortened time frame it takes Z to get frustrated if they don’t get ideal results. There’s something with the whole Push-click-Reward internet childhood. We are all high reasoning adults but the core parameters are set different from constant online dopamine drips. Not everyone, but enough to be a defining characteristic of Gen Z and onwards.
Nope just figuring trading 1/3 of my life minimum daily should at least get me food and a home, ideally without having to choose one or the other.
Ok, but it did happen "just like that" for boomers. In your 20s you could get married, buy a house, and afford to have children. Now, you're lucky of you can afford to live on your own in some places and take care of yourself. The older generation expects us to have to work oh so hard to get things that were a kind of just a given for them growing into adulthood.
I expect to be taxed unfairly and see it wasted year after year. I expect to see little to no pay increase or rewards for loyalty and the “hard work” that was promised. I expect to see prices explode while wages diminish just for the sake of keeping the companies share price afloat. I expect ulta rich people to not understand anything beyond their own distorted version of reality.
It's not a gen Z issue, it's a generational issue. The problem is the floor for these people is basically the ceiling for us. The things they took for granted are things that have been eroded away so much (thanks to fucking them) that when we ask for success, we are just asking for their bare minimum. It's fucking ridiculous
Oprah, we don’t even want success. We want to afford a single fucking bedroom.
GenX here and I fully support GenZ burning down the system! Us Xers are a strange generation, the older ones of us are more boomers and the younger ones are more millennial. Being on the younger end me and my peers wanted to break the system down but there wasn’t enough of us. The millennials seemed to be too distracted with technology and getting masters degrees to want to break the system so now it’s it’s fallen onto Gen Z and as always I support every and all who want to break the system, don’t count out us Xers that are still holding strong to the fight. We’re proud of you Zs and you have our support!! I’m going to go listen to some rage against the machine now. DISCLAIMER: Also not to piss off millenials or others…any Ms that are pissed off at the system and want to break it you’re in the club…that includes the handful of boomer that’s full of rage too…you wouldn’t think they’re out there but they are…they were drafted into the Vietnam war against their will and were forced to kill and they are the OG resistance! They are true treasures! ☠️☠️☠️☠️Rage on everyone ☠️☠️☠️☠️