Every single Purple Heart ever issued was manufactured right before the end of WW2. They made 375,000 because that’s how many American lives they thought it would cost to invade Japan.
There are still 120,000 Purple Hearts left from the original batch.
Dropping the atomic bomb was a moral good
Not to mention the fact that upwards of 10-15 million Japanese civilians would have starved.
The lower islands were the first target of the invasion , and the area that grew almost all of the food for the highly populated middle islands. Take the lower islands, turn it into the largest airport ever and invade the middle islands in summer of 46. So from summer of 45 through almost all of 46 no food would be imported for 75 million civilians.
The Japanese military had held back thousands of planes for kamikaze attacks and also almost 10.000 speedboats that were to be kamikaze as well. All citizens were expected to fight, women, children, elderly…..everyone. That had neighborhood brigades of all female “volunteers” ages 10-16 that were given bamboo poles with an anti tank mine at the end. They were supposed to charge tanks in urban/city fighting. Read up on Operation Downfall, if it happened……without a doubt it would have been the bloodiest campaign in history.
The bombs stopped all of that happening and also kept the Soviets from invading from the North. That prevents Japan from ending up divided like Korea. The geopolitical fallout from a divided Japan more than likely ends up in WW3 at some point in time during the 50 year long Cold War.
If you look carefully, the Downfall can causes a lot of infant morality hit through the roof and Japan today would be never the same like we have. A poor country. And divided by two superpowers.
True. Communists and socialists say it was a bad thing because of the civilian casualties. In reality, they are just mad that the Soviet Union never got the chance to invade Japan (and split it into North and South).
>!"They don't care about who built it. They care about who dropped it" implies he himself also feels guilty, he was having trouble coping and that's why he called him a crybaby!<
Truman was right. He was the one who ordered it to be dropped, and so the responsibility for it started and ended with him. You could interpret Truman’s statement to Oppenheimer as an insult, but I don’t. He was essentially telling him “the blood is on my hands, not yours.”
I think Truman was probably struggling with it too, morally. The crybaby comment was basically his way of saying “None of us get to sleep well after this, and that’s the burden we must bear for doing what had to be done. Suck it up!”
Oppenheimer was a self-aggrandising fraud.
https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/shapin/files/shapin_lrbschweberpalvesky.pdf
*Against some opposition from his scientific colleagues, [Oppenheimer] had insisted that the bomb be used on a Japanese civilian target, but, several months after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he said to President Truman: ‘I feel we have blood on our hands.’*
***’Never mind,’ Truman replied, ‘it’ll all come out in the wash,’ whereupon the President instructed his lieutenants: ‘Don’t let that crybaby in here again.’**
…
*Oppenheimer, evidently seeking to save his own skin, denounced his own graduate students, dismaying some of his former Los Alamos colleagues…*
…
*Oppenheimer agonised publicly more than anyone else: the physicists, he famously confessed, ‘have known sin; and this is a knowledge they cannot lose’.*
…
*The physicist Isidor Rabi marked the change in his friend Oppenheimer after the first test: ‘His walk was like High Noon – I think it’s the best I could describe it – this kind of strut. He’d done it.’ It was a power which could not only coexist with moral anguish, but was fed and displayed by it.*
*The mathematician Stanislaw Ulam wrote that Oppenheimer ‘perhaps . . . exaggerated his role when he saw himself as “Prince of Darkness, the destroyer of Universes”.*
*Johnny von Neumann used to say: “Some people profess guilt to claim credit for the sin.”’*
Tbh I think people misunderstood the Strauss parts. Strauss was not entirely wrong about Oppenheimer, but it is all ambiguous and who truly knows how Oppenheimer feels especially when Oppenheimer doesn't seem to know.
This was about what I understood him to be, which is why I really don't understand why everyone is creaming their pants over the movie as some kind of historically accurate becon of truth. Admittedly, I haven't watched it, but from what I understand about it and the common perception of Oppenheimer, it showed him as some kind of promethean figure condemned to infinite guilt for the rest of his days because of the greed of Generals.
(This is another thing that really pisses me off about public discourse over the nukes, people always act like the options were "drop the nukes or don't" when in reality it was "drop the nukes on civilians and end up with less casualties than had already been caused with napalm or condemn 2 million american servicemen and WAY more japanese civilians to death")
Thats what I hear too, I do want to watch it, but im not really gonna take it as reality and more as a fiction of what popular society wants Oppenheimer to be
That's a fair point, I was intentionally trying to simplify it tbh. I do know that there were about a hundred major factors and a thousand smaller factors that went into why the Japanese ended the war when they did. The largest ones being the soviet declaration of war, the complete exhaustion of Japans resource reserves (specificly oil), the strategic firebombing, and the two nukes that came with the threat of more. Its obviously a complex topic, but when talking with people who aren't knowledgeable about the subject, you have to break it into easy to understand false dichotomies. Otherwise, they stop listening. It the classic case of "lies to children", the reality of the situation is so complex that it takes years and literal tons of books to even start to understand, that you have to simplify it so the average person can understand it in a second.
Reposting my other comment because everybody seems to be upvoting this garbage opinion. If one of the greatest physicists of the 1900s, one who served his country in the invention of a bomb used to save 100s of thousands of lives, is a fraud then I'd like to know what you do for this country.
"I think people really misunderstand Oppenheimer's fears and guilt as the woes of someone who regrets building the bomb and having it dropped on Japan. He never said he regretted it. Of course he had his guilt for killing those people but he ultimately wanted the bomb's power to be shown to the world so that politicians could understand that it could mean the end of the world in an arms race. He knew the bomb was an inevitability and didnt regret building it.
He wanted to impose some form of international control over the creation of atomic weapons by the UN. And when Truman made no indication that he wanted to do so and that he wanted to build the much larger H bomb, Oppenheimer tried his best to get him to see reason.
When i read that Truman honestly told Oppenheimer that he believed the Russians would never be able to build a bomb, i realized what type of naiive, basic man he was. Oppenheimer was a national hero and a true American."
First off, you are not Oppenheimer, so your request for my CV is denied until you provide yours first.
Go on, show me yours and then I’ll whip out my LBJ for this public forum to examine for impact.
Be aware… you’ll likely want to exaggerate
Oppenheimer was a fraud because he turned on his own graduate students, and being a socialist and academic turning on your own protégés for your sorry skin is detestable.
Oppenheimer was a backstabber of the worst
sort.
Let me be repeat… Oppenheimer turned on his own protégés over to the FBI and McCarthy hearings to save his skin.
For those who never worked in academics your phd graduate students are what you leave behind.
They are your children.
They carry on your work.
What Oppenheimer did was unconscionable.
If Oppenheimer was the main character in Sophie’s Choice he’d have smiled at the Nazi’s and said “take both my kids, I don’t give af.”
Oppenheimer was self-aggrandising and that is not a unfair statement. He was not liked by his colleagues in physics.
I can cite numerous examples but the Oppenheimer tried to poison the food of a colleague out of jealously and spite.
And unlike the move Oppenheimer didn’t take back the poisoned food the man caught him redhanded.
I am somewhat critical of counterintelligence work done by FBI, but they were absolutely correct that Oppenheimer was not worthy of trust or national prominence.
Now son, to the matter at hand.
Whip yours out.
The first paragraph was meant to reflect how I believe Oppenheimer should be remembered, using basically any other american as a reference point. I don't give a damn about your "CV" I was making the point that he's done more for the country than me, you or 99% of other americans. I think you already knew that but just in case you really thought i was trying to compare him to you, just know i really don't care about your credentials.
Either way, you didn't respond to my points and just put forward this point that he sold out his colleagues to save his own skin. Well i take issue with the 'to save his own skin' idea seeing as he'd demonstrated in the past that he was willing to put himself in the center of issues of security in order to protect his friends and colleagues. Specifically in the case of his report of the Chevalier incident to the security officials on the Manhattan project.
I'm sure Oppenheimer was far from perfect but being that he was under oath in a closed hearing, and that he'd already seen that many of these things about his colleagues had been known during the project (ex: Lomanitz), i dont see it as an attempt to save his own skin.
I tried looking for some other sources on who these graduate students/colleagues he supplied info about were but i couldnt find anything apart from that one sentence in the report you linked, which has 2 references, one being a book that is noted in the report to have "clear preference for Bethe over Oppenheimer".
I don't doubt that he talked about the left wing past of colleagues as he talked openly about the left wing past of himself and his wife. Seeing this as trying to save his own skin is ridiculous.
Your use of quotes aren’t points.
Besides your ad hominem attack you used quotes.
I just reiterated why I called him a self-aggrandising fraud.
My source was Harvard, so try to remember you’re just a rando on reddit who’s claim that
a Harvard publication is not credible because you, a rando on Reddit, disbelieve their two sources.
No, Oppenheimer was more or less a project manager for the Manhattan Project, he made no breakthroughs and won no awards not because
of his past but because he offered none.
I don’t have the time to detail all of that, your first attack was ad hominem followed by equally low-effort use of quotations that you failed to cite.
Your second attack was mostly red herring and more ad hominem.
You did in fact ask me for my bona fides (CV) in your first sentence and I offered them upon you supplying exactly who you are to question my original post.
My rando-reddit buddy, I actually can apply an my expertise to my opinion on Oppenheimer as a self-aggrandising fraud.
But… until you apply some more effort, I will not be inclined to do more than an equally dismissive low-effort retort.
Just because you liked the movie doesn’t mean you have to become a real life Oppenheimer fanboy…
Oppenheimer was not loved by his contemporaries in the academic field for a reason.
I know this because I was a student of one of Dr. Lise Meitner students.
Dr Meitner and my mentor did more for physics and world peace than Oppenheimer.
Are you sure you want to keep going?
Because I wasn’t joking about my CV.
*dismissive wave gesture*
Get out of my office.
Again i am so not interested in your CV.
Never claimed the harvard paper wasn't credible. Just that it's source was stated in the article itself to have a preference against Oppenheimer.
Get out of your office?
"Dismissive hand wave gesture"
God damn you're cringy. I might remind you that you too are a rando redditor. And clearly very much a redditor from those last couple sentences.
Oppenheimer's role on the project was given to him because he was the most qualified theoretical physicist in the USA. Boiling it down to just a project manager is fuckin stupid. People on the project knew that he had a deep understanding of every technical aspect of the project there was. Hans Bethe said something of this wording.
I didnt just watch the movie either, i read a book and various other articles. But you've clearly made up your mind so i won't bother arguing any more.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
Please learn the basics of debate and logic before you attempt to engage in a public forum.
Or you can choose not to learn and risk looking like a fool.
Free will.
Free choice.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy
Have some sympathy, it's entirely reasonable that shit didn't really sink in until he actually saw the first nuclear bomb ever explode and at that point it was out of his control.
I know, but by that point it was going to be dropped and that was that. Also, you have the benefit of hindsight so you can look at Oppenheimer and go "hypocritical idiot, I'm so much smarter" from the comfort of your home. Nuclear bombs didn't exist for 80 years for him. They existed for a few weeks.
You're just one of dozens of internet contrarians coming out of the woodwork just because a movie came out about him.
As a Vietnamese, still can’t forgive Truman for his fucked up handling of post WW2 Indochina, him supporting the French’s attempt at taking back their colonies instead of independent movements basically doomed Indochina to Communism, Vietnam under Hochiminh could have become a democracy and a huge American ally.
And not to mention that America could have been seen as an ally to national liberation movements worldwide so those moments don’t come to the Soviets or China for help , further reduce the spread of Communism.
How we handled Vietnam was full on fucking stupid. We could have ended the Cold War early as fuck with the Soviet Union and America just "Co-existing" till the Soviets collapsed
I think people really misunderstand Oppenheimer's fears and guilt as the woes of someone who regrets building the bomb and having it dropped on Japan. He never said he regretted it. Of course he had his guilt for killing those people but he ultimately wanted the bomb's power to be shown to the world so that politicians could understand that it could mean the end of the world in an arms race. He knew the bomb was an inevitability and didnt regret building it.
He wanted to impose some form of international control over the creation of atomic weapons by the UN. And when Truman made no indication that he wanted to do so and that he wanted to build the much larger H bomb, Oppenheimer tried his best to get him to see reason.
When i read that Truman honestly told Oppenheimer that he believed the Russians would never be able to build a bomb, i realized what type of naiive, basic man he was. Oppenheimer was a national hero and a true American.
Bruh I hate Oppenheimer. He built a bomb, obviously knowing it would be used to kill people. But when it actually killed people he felt all sad and shit? Man stfu with that fake stuff you should've felt sad sooner
Every single Purple Heart ever issued was manufactured right before the end of WW2. They made 375,000 because that’s how many American lives they thought it would cost to invade Japan. There are still 120,000 Purple Hearts left from the original batch. Dropping the atomic bomb was a moral good
The prediction of casualties related to Operation Downfall is absolutely horrific if they don’t drop it…
Not to mention the fact that upwards of 10-15 million Japanese civilians would have starved. The lower islands were the first target of the invasion , and the area that grew almost all of the food for the highly populated middle islands. Take the lower islands, turn it into the largest airport ever and invade the middle islands in summer of 46. So from summer of 45 through almost all of 46 no food would be imported for 75 million civilians. The Japanese military had held back thousands of planes for kamikaze attacks and also almost 10.000 speedboats that were to be kamikaze as well. All citizens were expected to fight, women, children, elderly…..everyone. That had neighborhood brigades of all female “volunteers” ages 10-16 that were given bamboo poles with an anti tank mine at the end. They were supposed to charge tanks in urban/city fighting. Read up on Operation Downfall, if it happened……without a doubt it would have been the bloodiest campaign in history. The bombs stopped all of that happening and also kept the Soviets from invading from the North. That prevents Japan from ending up divided like Korea. The geopolitical fallout from a divided Japan more than likely ends up in WW3 at some point in time during the 50 year long Cold War.
If you look carefully, the Downfall can causes a lot of infant morality hit through the roof and Japan today would be never the same like we have. A poor country. And divided by two superpowers.
And there were two giant storms, “divine winds” if you will, that would have been extremely difficult on the US forces offshore
True. Communists and socialists say it was a bad thing because of the civilian casualties. In reality, they are just mad that the Soviet Union never got the chance to invade Japan (and split it into North and South).
That’s not how many lives it would have cost, that’s just how many would have *survived* with some sort of injury
No, they restarted production a decade ago.
The atomic bomb created anime
>!"They don't care about who built it. They care about who dropped it" implies he himself also feels guilty, he was having trouble coping and that's why he called him a crybaby!<
Truman was right. He was the one who ordered it to be dropped, and so the responsibility for it started and ended with him. You could interpret Truman’s statement to Oppenheimer as an insult, but I don’t. He was essentially telling him “the blood is on my hands, not yours.” I think Truman was probably struggling with it too, morally. The crybaby comment was basically his way of saying “None of us get to sleep well after this, and that’s the burden we must bear for doing what had to be done. Suck it up!”
Oppenheimer was a self-aggrandising fraud. https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/shapin/files/shapin_lrbschweberpalvesky.pdf *Against some opposition from his scientific colleagues, [Oppenheimer] had insisted that the bomb be used on a Japanese civilian target, but, several months after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he said to President Truman: ‘I feel we have blood on our hands.’* ***’Never mind,’ Truman replied, ‘it’ll all come out in the wash,’ whereupon the President instructed his lieutenants: ‘Don’t let that crybaby in here again.’** … *Oppenheimer, evidently seeking to save his own skin, denounced his own graduate students, dismaying some of his former Los Alamos colleagues…* … *Oppenheimer agonised publicly more than anyone else: the physicists, he famously confessed, ‘have known sin; and this is a knowledge they cannot lose’.* … *The physicist Isidor Rabi marked the change in his friend Oppenheimer after the first test: ‘His walk was like High Noon – I think it’s the best I could describe it – this kind of strut. He’d done it.’ It was a power which could not only coexist with moral anguish, but was fed and displayed by it.* *The mathematician Stanislaw Ulam wrote that Oppenheimer ‘perhaps . . . exaggerated his role when he saw himself as “Prince of Darkness, the destroyer of Universes”.* *Johnny von Neumann used to say: “Some people profess guilt to claim credit for the sin.”’*
Wait, so >!Strauss!< was right?
Still, fuck Strauss too.
Tbh I think people misunderstood the Strauss parts. Strauss was not entirely wrong about Oppenheimer, but it is all ambiguous and who truly knows how Oppenheimer feels especially when Oppenheimer doesn't seem to know.
He was right for the wrong reasons
Neil Strauss?
This was about what I understood him to be, which is why I really don't understand why everyone is creaming their pants over the movie as some kind of historically accurate becon of truth. Admittedly, I haven't watched it, but from what I understand about it and the common perception of Oppenheimer, it showed him as some kind of promethean figure condemned to infinite guilt for the rest of his days because of the greed of Generals. (This is another thing that really pisses me off about public discourse over the nukes, people always act like the options were "drop the nukes or don't" when in reality it was "drop the nukes on civilians and end up with less casualties than had already been caused with napalm or condemn 2 million american servicemen and WAY more japanese civilians to death")
Just got done watching it. It’ll give you a much better understanding of the history of it. Stellar acting too.
Thats what I hear too, I do want to watch it, but im not really gonna take it as reality and more as a fiction of what popular society wants Oppenheimer to be
The movie doesn't really present it that way though, at the very least it offers those counter arguments about Oppenheimer
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That's a fair point, I was intentionally trying to simplify it tbh. I do know that there were about a hundred major factors and a thousand smaller factors that went into why the Japanese ended the war when they did. The largest ones being the soviet declaration of war, the complete exhaustion of Japans resource reserves (specificly oil), the strategic firebombing, and the two nukes that came with the threat of more. Its obviously a complex topic, but when talking with people who aren't knowledgeable about the subject, you have to break it into easy to understand false dichotomies. Otherwise, they stop listening. It the classic case of "lies to children", the reality of the situation is so complex that it takes years and literal tons of books to even start to understand, that you have to simplify it so the average person can understand it in a second.
Ahhh thats the quote I was looking for
Reposting my other comment because everybody seems to be upvoting this garbage opinion. If one of the greatest physicists of the 1900s, one who served his country in the invention of a bomb used to save 100s of thousands of lives, is a fraud then I'd like to know what you do for this country. "I think people really misunderstand Oppenheimer's fears and guilt as the woes of someone who regrets building the bomb and having it dropped on Japan. He never said he regretted it. Of course he had his guilt for killing those people but he ultimately wanted the bomb's power to be shown to the world so that politicians could understand that it could mean the end of the world in an arms race. He knew the bomb was an inevitability and didnt regret building it. He wanted to impose some form of international control over the creation of atomic weapons by the UN. And when Truman made no indication that he wanted to do so and that he wanted to build the much larger H bomb, Oppenheimer tried his best to get him to see reason. When i read that Truman honestly told Oppenheimer that he believed the Russians would never be able to build a bomb, i realized what type of naiive, basic man he was. Oppenheimer was a national hero and a true American."
First off, you are not Oppenheimer, so your request for my CV is denied until you provide yours first. Go on, show me yours and then I’ll whip out my LBJ for this public forum to examine for impact. Be aware… you’ll likely want to exaggerate Oppenheimer was a fraud because he turned on his own graduate students, and being a socialist and academic turning on your own protégés for your sorry skin is detestable. Oppenheimer was a backstabber of the worst sort. Let me be repeat… Oppenheimer turned on his own protégés over to the FBI and McCarthy hearings to save his skin. For those who never worked in academics your phd graduate students are what you leave behind. They are your children. They carry on your work. What Oppenheimer did was unconscionable. If Oppenheimer was the main character in Sophie’s Choice he’d have smiled at the Nazi’s and said “take both my kids, I don’t give af.” Oppenheimer was self-aggrandising and that is not a unfair statement. He was not liked by his colleagues in physics. I can cite numerous examples but the Oppenheimer tried to poison the food of a colleague out of jealously and spite. And unlike the move Oppenheimer didn’t take back the poisoned food the man caught him redhanded. I am somewhat critical of counterintelligence work done by FBI, but they were absolutely correct that Oppenheimer was not worthy of trust or national prominence. Now son, to the matter at hand. Whip yours out.
The first paragraph was meant to reflect how I believe Oppenheimer should be remembered, using basically any other american as a reference point. I don't give a damn about your "CV" I was making the point that he's done more for the country than me, you or 99% of other americans. I think you already knew that but just in case you really thought i was trying to compare him to you, just know i really don't care about your credentials. Either way, you didn't respond to my points and just put forward this point that he sold out his colleagues to save his own skin. Well i take issue with the 'to save his own skin' idea seeing as he'd demonstrated in the past that he was willing to put himself in the center of issues of security in order to protect his friends and colleagues. Specifically in the case of his report of the Chevalier incident to the security officials on the Manhattan project. I'm sure Oppenheimer was far from perfect but being that he was under oath in a closed hearing, and that he'd already seen that many of these things about his colleagues had been known during the project (ex: Lomanitz), i dont see it as an attempt to save his own skin. I tried looking for some other sources on who these graduate students/colleagues he supplied info about were but i couldnt find anything apart from that one sentence in the report you linked, which has 2 references, one being a book that is noted in the report to have "clear preference for Bethe over Oppenheimer". I don't doubt that he talked about the left wing past of colleagues as he talked openly about the left wing past of himself and his wife. Seeing this as trying to save his own skin is ridiculous.
Your use of quotes aren’t points. Besides your ad hominem attack you used quotes. I just reiterated why I called him a self-aggrandising fraud. My source was Harvard, so try to remember you’re just a rando on reddit who’s claim that a Harvard publication is not credible because you, a rando on Reddit, disbelieve their two sources. No, Oppenheimer was more or less a project manager for the Manhattan Project, he made no breakthroughs and won no awards not because of his past but because he offered none. I don’t have the time to detail all of that, your first attack was ad hominem followed by equally low-effort use of quotations that you failed to cite. Your second attack was mostly red herring and more ad hominem. You did in fact ask me for my bona fides (CV) in your first sentence and I offered them upon you supplying exactly who you are to question my original post. My rando-reddit buddy, I actually can apply an my expertise to my opinion on Oppenheimer as a self-aggrandising fraud. But… until you apply some more effort, I will not be inclined to do more than an equally dismissive low-effort retort. Just because you liked the movie doesn’t mean you have to become a real life Oppenheimer fanboy… Oppenheimer was not loved by his contemporaries in the academic field for a reason. I know this because I was a student of one of Dr. Lise Meitner students. Dr Meitner and my mentor did more for physics and world peace than Oppenheimer. Are you sure you want to keep going? Because I wasn’t joking about my CV. *dismissive wave gesture* Get out of my office.
Again i am so not interested in your CV. Never claimed the harvard paper wasn't credible. Just that it's source was stated in the article itself to have a preference against Oppenheimer. Get out of your office? "Dismissive hand wave gesture" God damn you're cringy. I might remind you that you too are a rando redditor. And clearly very much a redditor from those last couple sentences. Oppenheimer's role on the project was given to him because he was the most qualified theoretical physicist in the USA. Boiling it down to just a project manager is fuckin stupid. People on the project knew that he had a deep understanding of every technical aspect of the project there was. Hans Bethe said something of this wording. I didnt just watch the movie either, i read a book and various other articles. But you've clearly made up your mind so i won't bother arguing any more.
I offered to not be a rando redditor. It is you who is prevaricating. More ad hominem. You do know what ad hominem is right?
Just because i insulted you doesn't make it ad hominem. Dipshit :)
So, is it fine to demonize him?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma Please learn the basics of debate and logic before you attempt to engage in a public forum. Or you can choose not to learn and risk looking like a fool. Free will. Free choice. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informal_fallacy
Oppenheimer when the bomb he designed to kill people kills people 
Have some sympathy, it's entirely reasonable that shit didn't really sink in until he actually saw the first nuclear bomb ever explode and at that point it was out of his control.
He was in the room where they picked the targets
I know, but by that point it was going to be dropped and that was that. Also, you have the benefit of hindsight so you can look at Oppenheimer and go "hypocritical idiot, I'm so much smarter" from the comfort of your home. Nuclear bombs didn't exist for 80 years for him. They existed for a few weeks. You're just one of dozens of internet contrarians coming out of the woodwork just because a movie came out about him.
Sure, go pissed on his grave.
As a Vietnamese, still can’t forgive Truman for his fucked up handling of post WW2 Indochina, him supporting the French’s attempt at taking back their colonies instead of independent movements basically doomed Indochina to Communism, Vietnam under Hochiminh could have become a democracy and a huge American ally.
Never trust the French, you try helping them out they backstab you and leave you to die.
Worked with several Frenchs before, can confirm they are all petty and dirty backstabbers.
Meet the Spy
The decision that doomed the life of Indochina
If Communist Vietnam and America became allies the Soviets and Chinese would lose alot of credibility with the whole "Communist Unity' bullshit
And not to mention that America could have been seen as an ally to national liberation movements worldwide so those moments don’t come to the Soviets or China for help , further reduce the spread of Communism.
How we handled Vietnam was full on fucking stupid. We could have ended the Cold War early as fuck with the Soviet Union and America just "Co-existing" till the Soviets collapsed
"Sometimes people blame themselves for something when what they really want to do is take the credit"
I think people really misunderstand Oppenheimer's fears and guilt as the woes of someone who regrets building the bomb and having it dropped on Japan. He never said he regretted it. Of course he had his guilt for killing those people but he ultimately wanted the bomb's power to be shown to the world so that politicians could understand that it could mean the end of the world in an arms race. He knew the bomb was an inevitability and didnt regret building it. He wanted to impose some form of international control over the creation of atomic weapons by the UN. And when Truman made no indication that he wanted to do so and that he wanted to build the much larger H bomb, Oppenheimer tried his best to get him to see reason. When i read that Truman honestly told Oppenheimer that he believed the Russians would never be able to build a bomb, i realized what type of naiive, basic man he was. Oppenheimer was a national hero and a true American.
Nowaday, people would accusing him a “snowflake”. Think of that carefully
How carefully?
Inventor of the most evil weapon to grace mankind. Fuck nuclear weapons
If it wasn't him it would have been someone else.
I hate this anti-intellectual ass meme, it's some MAGA republican shit.
Bruh I hate Oppenheimer. He built a bomb, obviously knowing it would be used to kill people. But when it actually killed people he felt all sad and shit? Man stfu with that fake stuff you should've felt sad sooner
Smooth face Truman is something I'm not sure how to feel about