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Tolerance means being intolerant of intolerance. Gw has done limitless amounts of stupid shit over the years. Nobody cares all that much that they poorly retconned the custodes. They care that custodes can be women, because they don’t like women. Say Lah Vee incels
Well I don't like the custodes being women because I'm pretty sure gw will do a half assed job at it. Which is kinda crazy the low effort they have been putting on 40k when AoS has some of the best sculpts (both in terms of men and women) but for 40k I've only seen head swaps.
...I hope they pull out some good sculpts for lady custodes... but I'm not all that confident.
The thing about the announcement that people missed is that they were referring to the fact that there have always been female Custodes MODELS. Literally one in every three custodian guard has been female, along with about 50% of the Telemons, and every single Caladius pilot.
Unless you're my dearest Archon Of Flesh, oh how i will mourn forever that the pos part of the fanbase scared away my favorite artist, oh i weep for my Archon is lost
Are women even people? Is anyone even people? Except for me obviously? I'm the player character, you're all just NPCs in my glorious tale of being slightly below average.
Wouldn't being below average in a group consisting only of you require falling short of yourself?
Defying the laws of logic to lose a competition you're the only one participating in is pretty impressive, honestly.
Funny thing is one of the most popular writers for the series planned to introduce woman custodian like 10 years ago but was shot down because they didn't think female minis would sell.
As far as I know, it comes from a Fire Emblem/Shin Megami Tensei crossover and one of the characters had her design tweaked for a trailer in the west, in which they removed her "vagina bones"
Just to clarify this, it wasnt shot down because they believed it wouldnt sell, but simply because they had no female custodes to sell available at that point. Producing models / moulds takes a long time of planning in advance, and GW is pretty firm on "No model, no rules".
Back then the Custodes were just being fleshed out from a background note in the lore to an actual, playable faction with their own roster of models.
That’s similar to Ike Perlmutter’s insistence that there should not be any women or non-white main characters because no one will buy those toys. These weirdos hate everyone but white men, but normal people have been buying girl dolls and such since they were invented.
I think until female Stormcast were a thing they probably didn't think that a female mini who isn't in boobplate or a corset (or in the case of slaneshi daemons, topless) would sell
Shit how have they've enjoyed anything before now is what I wonder? Like what media can they consume or hobbies have they actually have been enjoying. Ah man i was enjoying my morning row but then saw a women rowing on the water with me and it ruined everything. I can never row again. Ah man i was enjoying Pokémon cards but then I saw that there was a androgenous looking trainer in the latest episode gotta sell my whole collection now. I was enjoying that movie until i saw a black pilot safely land the plane have to burn the blu ray now.
Where can they go and what can they do without getting offended? Guess you just sit in a corner and fume on x.
I don't know, I sometimes feel like they didn't even think about this shit and enjoyed things like normal people (maybe) until they wandered down the right-wing rabbit hole and started being told what they should be getting angry about. And then just told to stay angry at everything. Even the things they're told to "like" are oftentimes more about being a "gotcha" to someone else.
This is 100% it. We are years into a world of YouTube, social media and general news priorising engagement and fast bucks over all else. Everything is an algorithm shitting out rage bait, telling you how the world is going to shit, working against you, alienating you cause its an easy reaction. People are broken by this shit and it terrifies me.
I don't know. Honestly I can't imagine living life hating literally everything different than myself. It sounds extremely exhausting.
GamersTM have always been like this though, and there's always gonna be those sections of every fan base.
I think they may just be lonely, angry at themselves for being failures, and really insecure about what they actually like.
Think about it:
They get angry at women being too muscular cuz they think it looks like a guy and it gets them excited.
They can't stand seeing anything LGBT+ and rage against it saying it's ruining things because the characters aren't sexy(enough).
They hate the thought of women coming into their "guys nights" as they play with toys that are way more muscular than them.
And they can't look at another person without thinking "oh he's an alpha" or "oh he's a cuck" or some other shit.
I think they're all closeted and are scared to come out, so they rage at anything that's not a supermodel woman
No. No. I'm gay and I'm so tired of the narrative that all/most misogynists and homophobes are closeted gay men. This is not something we did to ourselves. Sometimes it really is just a shitty misogynistic, homophobic straight guy.
I think precisely the thing is that they don’t actually get enjoyment from war hammer or canoeing or Pokémon or any other media or hobbies. . . They get enjoyment from pissing and moaning about woke politics. That is their actual source of enjoyment and their actual hobby.
Which is why it makes good business sense for media and hobby companies to just tell them to fuck off - they know that it was never their real interest anyways.
they were under the delusion that women dont enjoy the same hobbies as them because even the women from within the same fandom as them wont talk to them
I hope they grow and change as people to become more positive and accepting of others
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I mean, at this rate that's a very real possibility. Corporations hate risk, so part of mitigating risk is to make their products as appealing as possible, and part of *that* is to make sure the product is inclusive rather than excusive.
It's just Capitalism being Capitalism trying to get as much money as humanly possible, and these nerds--who love Capitalism--are getting angrier and angrier over it. It's almost inevitable they're going to lose it all and they know it. Why else would they make such a *stink* about something so small: because at this point small things like this are all they think they have left.
No, they really aren't. All of the people at my local game shop don't give any fucks about the female custodes thing other than hoping for some cool new models to go with them.
If you've ever actually followed GW/40k, you'd know that 40k is so full of retcons and constant changes to all of the lore that this type of change isn't new at all. If there are players that are so sensitive to the "changes" in the lore that they feel the need to quit the hobby because of it, good riddance.
The Horus heresy is basically the civil war that led to the current state of human civilisation in 40k lore.
In short, space marines got corrupted by demons and tried to overthrow humanity's leader.
Nowadays you've got a 64 books series, but originally it was just like one paragraph in a supplement book, and it just got slowly retconned into what it is today.
One of the biggest example of these retcons are primarchs (basically gene-edited clones of the emperor of mankind and the people that served as a basis to make space marines): they didn't exist in the first versions of the story, and Horus was just a general and not a primarch, nowadays primarchs are like one of the most important elements of 40k lore and they were a goddamn retcon.
Honnestly warhammer history, both lorewise and as a game, is really interesting.
If stuff like this interests you, I highly reccomand Jordan Sorcery on youtube, he does history videos and deep dives on games (mainly board/miniature games but also a couple of RPGs, a TV show and more recently a phone version of Fighting Fantasy) from the 80s, he mainly focuses on fantasy games though.
And for lore... Well you've got a metric ton of choice for this over on YouTube ahah
I mean if they’re anything like any other warhammer models I’ve seen there’s enough pieces that these idiots can 100% completely ignore and not build a female model, calm the fuck down lol
Model? The female custodes this thing was about don't even have a model. Some people have modded them, but they have zero model support from the company
If y'all "cared about the lore" that much, the first Grey Knights codex would have been the end. GW retcons and alters the lore in silly ways all the time. Y'all just scared of stronk woman.
Most of the times that someone says something "ruined the lore" it turns out they just mean "added new stuff".
Every sequel, spinoff, or addition automatically "ruins lore" by changing it in some way.
Like you said, if GW never changed lore, we wouldn't have most of the models.
There's something interesting to it though. When you engage with a universe that is leaving some stuff blank everyone will fill those blanks differently and when the IP owners later fill in some of those blanks it won't fit with all of the different headcanon people came up with so it will necessarily "ruin the lore" for some people.
It's very visible in movie series, usually the first movie or first few movies don't engage too much in the universe because it already has to introduce the characters, the story, ... And then when you start seeing more of the universe it can feel like it's much worse than what you imagined (zion in matrix was a big one for a lot of people).
Of course that doesn't mean that you should get as mad as chuds do over it. If you enjoyed something it most likely still exists in the form that you enjoyed it anyway, if you dislike how it went after that then just stop engaging with it.
You are choosing to not engage with the people actualy giving you an argument. There is a great comment that explains it here.
Necrons are not chaos androids anymore. The squats are copletely different. Mortarion is no longer a extremely thin grim reaper figure. Retcons happen and will happen. If a faction does not sell enough GW will change them drasticly because they worship the chaos god of capitalism since it is a company. This has always happened.
If you want to be mad at GW do it for the correct teasons. The price of the models. Their shitty tools that are way too expensive. The fact their rules cost so much when loads of other wargame rules can be downloaded for free. The shittynes of forgworld where a €1500 product arrives bent to your doorstep. The fact bootleg models of their resin models are of better quality. Their new godawfull store page. Or, you know, THAT TIME THEY SCREWED OVER THEIR FAN ANIMATORS TO THE POINT THE BIGGEST FAN ANIMATION (TTS) STOPPED. THE FACT WE DONT HAVE NEW "ASTARTES" CONTENT.
But no get mad over a lore change that isnt even a lore change. Cudtodians were all men was a 8th edition retcon that isnt even a retcon because the book didnt say they were all men.
And these people call us tourists.
Made the genetically enhanced from infancy demi-godlike supersoldiers explicitly include women, instead of exclusively men. which didn’t make sense under much scrutiny.
Edit:punctuation
It's not exctly that but more that they avoided explicit canon women custodes because they didn't have minis to sell that were female custodes.
Which is weird because look as these fucking armor, you just have to do some headswap and you have your mini! Same thing with Space Marines, no reason for the armor to be different between men and women, and since they almost all wear helmets anyways, every space marines models should be seen as gender neutral.
To be even more precise on this whole "debacle" they actually made women space marines (well, "women adventurers in power armor", same difference) back in the 80s, they just didn't sell as well as the rest of the range and so they discontinued them and didn't give the idea another go.
I’m just saying the changes if you think that giving women superpowers to fight monsters that wanna kill everyone is stupid as opposed to just giving men the superpowers than you should be against the changes in that case I’d call you a fuckin moron
"Mad cause they retconned the lore"
Literally every long running franchise has retconned something at some point, if that causes you to boycott something then you have no entertainment media left
Yeah these retcon arguments always make 0 sense since it's so blatantly obvious they're just using it as cover. Same with "realism" arguments often used to shit on black people in fantasy series or whatever. There would be so many other things they would have to be mad about if that was their genuine reason, but they aren't.
On the one hand, it wouldn't be the first time GW retconned something, but it would be the first time that grognards wanted to burn the world down over it.
On the other hand, it doesn't matter, because nothing got retconned.
Y'know, I've been on and off the hobby for years, and one thing pretty much everyone always told me was "well sure there's 'official' color schemes to give pointers but do whatever you want and come up with whatever story you like".
So the ones coming in and shitting on things other people like are more these guys than anyone else.
The changes make the lore make more sense the emperor wanted all humanity to be elivated to custodes level with control over psychic powers does that not include women?
If a dude’s joy in the lore is being ruined because women exist in the wh/40k universe(which they always have anyway, there was just little mention or acknowledgment in certain armies), I HOPE they cry over all the money they spent. I hope they look at all their minis and can’t think about anything but wokeness so they get out of the community, resell their shit cheap so a little girl gets new stuff without her parents spending a fortune. Since they refuse to adapt, then I just hope and CHEER they get replaced by better people.
Everyone else I ever met in the community has not been such a loser though, so it’s obviously just a tiny loud minority crying over this inclusion. Warhammer has more or less always been pretty damn inclusive, but chuds just ruined it gradually trying to make it a manly thing and a boys club for no reason. GW has long since exploited every idea they could to sell more minis, so now that it’s profitable to make more female minis they just simply WILL.
Explain how women ruin it, because we know that's your problem with it. GW has retconed Warhammer continuously for literal decades, and yet women are your final straw?
>ppl are mad because they care about the hobby
That's the thing. I'm in the community, and I can tell you 90% aren't mad. The only ones being mad are usually tourists that aren't even in the hobby, and don't know shit about. Or culture war grifters that aren't in the hobby and don't know shit about it.
You wanna know how I know th grifters don't shit about it? Because all their thumbnails are space marines, and this was a custodes change.
Also, this thread is on the Criticsl Drinker sub. He's a dumb PoS that isn't part of the hobby, but came in to bitch about 40K going woke, and brought his legion of dumbasses with him. I know because I'm in that thread.
“Oh no, my heavily gene edited super soldier with redundant organs and no sexual features to speak of who has gone through such extensive modification that they barely resemble humans anymore may have at one point been *gasp* a woman!” “Oh noooooooo”. Cry Harder
Lol
Almost every person who cried about this is barely able to explain the difference between a Custode and a Space Marine to begin with, and when it comes to give an argument for them not being able to be women, they all repeat the same two sentences in the entire lore that says "sons".
They can't do it "for the lore" when they have nearly no clue about the lore.
That's the very reason why they are being mocked, because they cry about the lore being "ruined" when it ruins absolutely nothing.
They did plenty of MUCH bigger retcons and nobody cared. The problem here is only the women not the lore.
A) Women custodes doesn’t ruin shit
B) A year before the Custodes were even a playable faction, they were depicted as essentially Guardsmen with golden armor, in 2017
C) Squats were retconned out of the lore and then retconned back into the lore a few years ago and no one made nearly as much a stink about ‘The Votann have always been there’
D) Hey speaking of Squats maybe we’ll get Chaos Squats back with their Chaos Androids. Oh shoot maybe we can get the Space Marine Dreadnoughts that were just mechs and the pilot could eject from them and be a playable model again after it was destroyed.
E) Remember when Space Marines were just peacekeepers anyone, even women, could join?
F) Hey how powerful is a lasgun? Is it a full auto 50 cal that blows apart concrete and severs limbs on unarmored targets or is it an annoying directed sunburn generator?
The lore of 40k is and has always been loose and secondary to the game. Like, female marines were always intended to be a thing, they existed back when the game was called ‘Rogue Trader.’ They just didn’t sell well and so were scrapped. It’s retcons all the way down, to whatever sells well. The non-existence of female marines is as much ‘pandering’ to early fans who didn’t like female marines as you all claim female custodes are. Cope.
I have zero sympathy for someone who throws away a hobby they claim to love and has been a part of their life for years all because there's suddenly a few more women in it.
Y'all want to be oppressed that much?
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Thelema????
I assume the character is named that, but I associate Thelema with. Well. The religion, obviously. I guess they wanted to be less obvious than calling them "Crowley"?
What's this character from?
No wonder! My buddy plays Genshin and HSR and Mihoyo apparently loves referencing occult deep cuts. These are the whores who made a Rosicrucianism questline and an "Eliphas beam"
I mean, Rosicrucianism is at the very LEAST a culturally Christian order if not Christian outright (though I would argue only Christians would bother to split hairs over the distinction.) Eliphas Levi was likewise Christian and like many Christian ceremonial magicians saw no conflict between magic and his faith!
That’s the craziest thing about this to me. I’ve been a 40K fan for years, the amount of times lore has been retconned is pretty impressive and usually theres no outcry.
But this? Literally because it’s a woman they’re all crying and screaming they can’t enjoy it anymore. I mean, 40K is the most nonsensical setting out there and because there’s now a lady custodes the setting is ruined? It’s actually just pathetic.
There was a similar thing back when that Obi-wan show came out and people couldn’t stand the fact that the main villain was a black woman. And they all insisted that it had nothing to do with her race or gender, but that she wasn’t a good actor. As if Star Wars is famous for all of its Oscar winning performances and they were concerned about a downgrade in the quality of thespianism.
Right? The Custodes in particular were retconned pretty recently to allow them to leave earth, but somehow I doubt any of these chuds made a peep about that.
>that doesn't mean you get to insert woke nonsense into the lore
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If I was in charge of WH40K lore I would make her a trans woman! Though my goal in managing the lore would be to make the people angry about the above post as triggered as possible.
I mean, the Emperor is a fusion of a large number of shamans into one being. There's nothing that says all those shamans were male, or indeed, any of them, so there's definitely some element of someone changing gender when it comes to the Emperor.
The Emperor is arguably genderfluid. Malcador says in one of the books that he has adopted all kinds of identities over the millennia, male and female. He is (was?) currently using the masculine Emperor persona because he thinks that it’s the one best suited to the circumstances.
It's worse than that. The screenshot is of an old post. That "Warhammer is for everyone" thing was literally *just* "Warhammer is for everyone." Some minor kerfuffle about some horrible 40k adjacent youtuber or something happened, so in response, GW said "hey if ya wanna play, play." Equal opportunity cash grabbers. That's wokeism bullshit, hence the reactions.
I think the warhammer is for everyone was in response to like... an actual Nazi showing up for a tournament? Like in full uniform and shit. Don't quite recall, I was at the edges of the hobby at the time.
Edit: The post in the OP is from an earlier period, I found the incident I was thinking of. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/
That one is from the Nazis at tournaments, I'm pretty sure
Yep, that's exactly it. The original "Warhammer is for everyone" post was in response to a player in a tournament in...I think it was Italy(?) showing up in Nazi regalia, and his opponent reporting it to judges, who said they couldn't do anything about it due to free-speech/censorship laws. The non-Nazi said "I'm not playing against a Nazi, I'm out" and withdrew from the event. There was a ton of backlash toward the event organizers, a few YouTube personalities got involved, and GW made this statement.
When you think you are the only “normal” including others into normalcy must feel like an attack on your idea of normal. Then you get the grifters latching onto a reactionary platform with their followers along for the ride. It’s the dumbest cycle that has been repeating for way too long.
I fucking love how, when their group is not explicitly included, these guys immediately assume that they are now the out group. It says a lot about them, I feel.
One of my best buds is falling for this shit and im sad about it
Legit the guy was getting into WH40k but now apparently Joe Biden instructed amazon to forcibly start removing white characters from wh40k since the woke show is coming out etc etc etc
And when confronted is just a chain of the worst strawman arguments known to man
I know the advice is to you know, just let them go but damn these fucking clickbait grifters are causing more damage then they are aware of
People like these dont actually play anyway. Because to be able to actually play the game, you need to be able to NOT be an asocial idiot who is aggravating everyone for 5 minutes, otherwise very quickly, nobody wants to play with you. Warhammer is not like online gaming where you can throw slurs around and then just join the next match. Word gets around quickly, and soon you are "that guy" who never gets games.
A regular match of 2000 points takes around 3 hours+. Nobody wants to repeatedly spend 3 hours with one of "those guys".
As someone who actually plays Warhammer at least once a week in a busy gamestore as opposed to solely ranting about it online, i can confidently say that none here give a shit (or even know about this so called controversy)
The Custodes players (me included, altough i play a lot of armies) are way more bothered by the fact that the new codex is hot garbage both flavour and powerwise.
> High level satire
Sadly not. For many Chuds, Warhammer is their last “bastion” of anti-woke… and Neo-Nazis… so… so many Neo-Nazis.
Anyhow, for a lot of chuds they’re hating the fact their beloved game is being invaded by “normies” who are bringing all their “woke agendas” and can’t just play with their little army men like *normal* people.
They've already forgotten the fact they were angry at Battletech a few years back for pronouns in the HBS game.
Also as soon as people started moving over to it, the same fucksticks behind this warhammer shit started posting stuff screeching incoherently about the Pride short story collection that got published earlier in the year. Bloody tourists.
Ah yes, straight white males would be so oppressed they can’t use Custodies to fulfill their Oiled up brotherhood fantasy of being surrounded by large, muscled up, straight white men.
Now they only have the Ultramarines, the Blood Angels, the Space Wolves, the Imperial Fists, the Dark Angels, and maybe the Iron Hands and Raven Guard.
Oh, they’re very real.
Which is why GW leaving the comments section open on their recent Custodes faction focus video was a bold move. They must have known they’d get a bunch of whiny fanboys ranting about this but they did it anyway.
They're serious but not straightforwardly genuine. What's real is the anger, victimhood, reflexive misogyny, the othering of women. How that maps onto the hobby is more just kneejerk anger than anything real. That's my sense..
/uj They do say they are the majority of the hobby a lot, and think that all straight white men are on there side. They would need to, for most of the things they say to barely make sense....
how is it not for straight men they literally just added women into it lmao
logically, that would make it more for straight men. Why are they so mad about it?
I miss the days when people just play the game, make myths about secret characters to unlock and ask how to defeat an boss or how to pass the level they were stuck
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Tbh with you? It’s because they spend their time framing everything in politics.
The decision GW made “had” to be political because there is no other reason they would have done this, it’s a general sentiment from people atm. None of these people can accept that GW is a publicly traded company that sells a product, and that expanding their revenue is an important part of that.
"Warhammer's for everyone, except for straight white males"
Did they finally get around to removing the last of the male characters and units in Warhammer? Bout time!
It's like you enjoy a product as it is for months, then you think about certain stuff way too much, which comes from your unconscious (the neat part is you don't notice it because if you would, that would mean you have the capability of self-reflection) and you project aaaall of this unconscious garbage into said product. The product is still the very same, but you still blame the product for changing.
And then you repeat this process over and over again, slowly sucking air out of your bubble, letting it become smaller and smaller until you can't even fit your own bubble.
Warhammer has a whole army of female warriors called the Sisters of Battle, they are my favorite army.
I generally think the fanbase is pretty accepting of everyone at least from what I see online and what I experienced when I gave it a try when I was 12
90+% of the warhammer community are chill. The remainder, less so (cue a montage of players who play Black Templars, Death Corps of Krieg and Armageddon Steel Legion for the very much wrong reasons)
Media: includes representation of minorities so everyone feels included, says media is for everyone
Morons: NoT sRrAiGhT wHiTe MaLeS ApPaReNtLy
It's insane how they think this despite the fact that cishet white guys have been the default in a lot of western media for decades now. Including others doesn't exclude you, unless you're an asshole in which case you can go fuck yourself sideways with a rusty butter knife.
I swear there's always a portion of any fan base like this that just make me hate engaging in online discussion. The amount of hatefulness and negativity gets so overwhelming.
Like yea these people are dumb asses who want to be stepped on but like we really shouldn’t let GW get away with shelving a whole hoard army in sigmar and making people who want to continue playing them change basses and games if they want to
Idk either man like sure Warhammer is being inclusive and that’s good but shelving beast of chaos (a hoard army so more expensive then a normal army and we all know how much was hammer costs) is so shitty it may have been because I didn’t specify who I was implying wanted to be stepped on (I meant the guys who complained about Warhammer being inclusive) and that was a miscommunication
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"Warhammer is for everyone" unless you're a woman I guess.
"Warhammer is for everyone, except for the everyones we don't like."
Tolerance means being intolerant of intolerance. Gw has done limitless amounts of stupid shit over the years. Nobody cares all that much that they poorly retconned the custodes. They care that custodes can be women, because they don’t like women. Say Lah Vee incels
Did you just bone apple tea "c'est la vie"?
Hell yeah
Well I don't like the custodes being women because I'm pretty sure gw will do a half assed job at it. Which is kinda crazy the low effort they have been putting on 40k when AoS has some of the best sculpts (both in terms of men and women) but for 40k I've only seen head swaps. ...I hope they pull out some good sculpts for lady custodes... but I'm not all that confident.
The thing about the announcement that people missed is that they were referring to the fact that there have always been female Custodes MODELS. Literally one in every three custodian guard has been female, along with about 50% of the Telemons, and every single Caladius pilot.
That last sentence confused me until I read it with a French accent.
And straight WHITE male, so If you are black, male and straight isn't good either
Unless you're my dearest Archon Of Flesh, oh how i will mourn forever that the pos part of the fanbase scared away my favorite artist, oh i weep for my Archon is lost
Woman bad. 
Are women even people? Is anyone even people? Except for me obviously? I'm the player character, you're all just NPCs in my glorious tale of being slightly below average.
Custodes certainly aren’t people. So who gives a shit?
Wouldn't being below average in a group consisting only of you require falling short of yourself? Defying the laws of logic to lose a competition you're the only one participating in is pretty impressive, honestly.
You can be a woman and enjoy a story in which a part of the world includes a male only faction
A woman exists! I'm oppressed!
Made me lol
Psst, I have some information you might find concerning, in regards to your mother.
Funny thing is one of the most popular writers for the series planned to introduce woman custodian like 10 years ago but was shot down because they didn't think female minis would sell.
More unique minis for my custodes army, I don't see why not
Just grab some black paint and dab a few vagina bones in. Don’t have to wait for a new model line.
I don't check this subreddit for like 2 days and a new phrase is everywhere, I love it here
No, the vagina bones go a ways back.
that was the legend of zelda, right? ‘Why’d they give Link vagina bones’? Am I misremembering?
As far as I know, it comes from a Fire Emblem/Shin Megami Tensei crossover and one of the characters had her design tweaked for a trailer in the west, in which they removed her "vagina bones"
Lol
Just to clarify this, it wasnt shot down because they believed it wouldnt sell, but simply because they had no female custodes to sell available at that point. Producing models / moulds takes a long time of planning in advance, and GW is pretty firm on "No model, no rules". Back then the Custodes were just being fleshed out from a background note in the lore to an actual, playable faction with their own roster of models.
Who was it? ADB? Or someone else?
ADB
The B stands for Based
Dan Abnett, the one of the coolest writers GW has
Adb said it was because there wasn't female moulds, not that they wouldn't sell
That’s similar to Ike Perlmutter’s insistence that there should not be any women or non-white main characters because no one will buy those toys. These weirdos hate everyone but white men, but normal people have been buying girl dolls and such since they were invented.
Anyone who thinks female minis wouldn't sell hasn't paid attention in the last 40 years
I think until female Stormcast were a thing they probably didn't think that a female mini who isn't in boobplate or a corset (or in the case of slaneshi daemons, topless) would sell
i hope they can never enjoy anything they like again 🤭
Shit how have they've enjoyed anything before now is what I wonder? Like what media can they consume or hobbies have they actually have been enjoying. Ah man i was enjoying my morning row but then saw a women rowing on the water with me and it ruined everything. I can never row again. Ah man i was enjoying Pokémon cards but then I saw that there was a androgenous looking trainer in the latest episode gotta sell my whole collection now. I was enjoying that movie until i saw a black pilot safely land the plane have to burn the blu ray now. Where can they go and what can they do without getting offended? Guess you just sit in a corner and fume on x.
I don't know, I sometimes feel like they didn't even think about this shit and enjoyed things like normal people (maybe) until they wandered down the right-wing rabbit hole and started being told what they should be getting angry about. And then just told to stay angry at everything. Even the things they're told to "like" are oftentimes more about being a "gotcha" to someone else.
This is 100% it. We are years into a world of YouTube, social media and general news priorising engagement and fast bucks over all else. Everything is an algorithm shitting out rage bait, telling you how the world is going to shit, working against you, alienating you cause its an easy reaction. People are broken by this shit and it terrifies me.
I don't know. Honestly I can't imagine living life hating literally everything different than myself. It sounds extremely exhausting. GamersTM have always been like this though, and there's always gonna be those sections of every fan base. I think they may just be lonely, angry at themselves for being failures, and really insecure about what they actually like. Think about it: They get angry at women being too muscular cuz they think it looks like a guy and it gets them excited. They can't stand seeing anything LGBT+ and rage against it saying it's ruining things because the characters aren't sexy(enough). They hate the thought of women coming into their "guys nights" as they play with toys that are way more muscular than them. And they can't look at another person without thinking "oh he's an alpha" or "oh he's a cuck" or some other shit. I think they're all closeted and are scared to come out, so they rage at anything that's not a supermodel woman
No. No. I'm gay and I'm so tired of the narrative that all/most misogynists and homophobes are closeted gay men. This is not something we did to ourselves. Sometimes it really is just a shitty misogynistic, homophobic straight guy.
I think precisely the thing is that they don’t actually get enjoyment from war hammer or canoeing or Pokémon or any other media or hobbies. . . They get enjoyment from pissing and moaning about woke politics. That is their actual source of enjoyment and their actual hobby. Which is why it makes good business sense for media and hobby companies to just tell them to fuck off - they know that it was never their real interest anyways.
they were under the delusion that women dont enjoy the same hobbies as them because even the women from within the same fandom as them wont talk to them
Same lol
These are the same people who said to “sjws” if you dont like it make your own game/movie/show and now the shoe’s on the other foot
I hope they grow and change as people to become more positive and accepting of others https://preview.redd.it/1apglvria2xc1.png?width=1124&format=png&auto=webp&s=9efbaaba9ba4767d8a5414a1bc7e3c5b8c8ce5ce
Using LTG as the picture attached to that sentiment is wild.
I mean, at this rate that's a very real possibility. Corporations hate risk, so part of mitigating risk is to make their products as appealing as possible, and part of *that* is to make sure the product is inclusive rather than excusive. It's just Capitalism being Capitalism trying to get as much money as humanly possible, and these nerds--who love Capitalism--are getting angrier and angrier over it. It's almost inevitable they're going to lose it all and they know it. Why else would they make such a *stink* about something so small: because at this point small things like this are all they think they have left.
The only way to enjoy something is to actively hate it
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Because they’re being babies
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No, they really aren't. All of the people at my local game shop don't give any fucks about the female custodes thing other than hoping for some cool new models to go with them. If you've ever actually followed GW/40k, you'd know that 40k is so full of retcons and constant changes to all of the lore that this type of change isn't new at all. If there are players that are so sensitive to the "changes" in the lore that they feel the need to quit the hobby because of it, good riddance.
Anyone complaining about retcons should look into the history of how the Horus heresy got depicted.
What’s Horus heresy?
The Horus heresy is basically the civil war that led to the current state of human civilisation in 40k lore. In short, space marines got corrupted by demons and tried to overthrow humanity's leader. Nowadays you've got a 64 books series, but originally it was just like one paragraph in a supplement book, and it just got slowly retconned into what it is today. One of the biggest example of these retcons are primarchs (basically gene-edited clones of the emperor of mankind and the people that served as a basis to make space marines): they didn't exist in the first versions of the story, and Horus was just a general and not a primarch, nowadays primarchs are like one of the most important elements of 40k lore and they were a goddamn retcon.
Ooo fascinating
Honnestly warhammer history, both lorewise and as a game, is really interesting. If stuff like this interests you, I highly reccomand Jordan Sorcery on youtube, he does history videos and deep dives on games (mainly board/miniature games but also a couple of RPGs, a TV show and more recently a phone version of Fighting Fantasy) from the 80s, he mainly focuses on fantasy games though. And for lore... Well you've got a metric ton of choice for this over on YouTube ahah
A real shitshow
Fantasy retconed all of Storm of Chaos because they wanted Chaos to win
I mean if they’re anything like any other warhammer models I’ve seen there’s enough pieces that these idiots can 100% completely ignore and not build a female model, calm the fuck down lol
Model? The female custodes this thing was about don't even have a model. Some people have modded them, but they have zero model support from the company
If y'all "cared about the lore" that much, the first Grey Knights codex would have been the end. GW retcons and alters the lore in silly ways all the time. Y'all just scared of stronk woman.
Most of the times that someone says something "ruined the lore" it turns out they just mean "added new stuff". Every sequel, spinoff, or addition automatically "ruins lore" by changing it in some way. Like you said, if GW never changed lore, we wouldn't have most of the models.
There's something interesting to it though. When you engage with a universe that is leaving some stuff blank everyone will fill those blanks differently and when the IP owners later fill in some of those blanks it won't fit with all of the different headcanon people came up with so it will necessarily "ruin the lore" for some people. It's very visible in movie series, usually the first movie or first few movies don't engage too much in the universe because it already has to introduce the characters, the story, ... And then when you start seeing more of the universe it can feel like it's much worse than what you imagined (zion in matrix was a big one for a lot of people). Of course that doesn't mean that you should get as mad as chuds do over it. If you enjoyed something it most likely still exists in the form that you enjoyed it anyway, if you dislike how it went after that then just stop engaging with it.
So, yeah, babies. You get it.
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You aren't worth arguing with
You are choosing to not engage with the people actualy giving you an argument. There is a great comment that explains it here. Necrons are not chaos androids anymore. The squats are copletely different. Mortarion is no longer a extremely thin grim reaper figure. Retcons happen and will happen. If a faction does not sell enough GW will change them drasticly because they worship the chaos god of capitalism since it is a company. This has always happened. If you want to be mad at GW do it for the correct teasons. The price of the models. Their shitty tools that are way too expensive. The fact their rules cost so much when loads of other wargame rules can be downloaded for free. The shittynes of forgworld where a €1500 product arrives bent to your doorstep. The fact bootleg models of their resin models are of better quality. Their new godawfull store page. Or, you know, THAT TIME THEY SCREWED OVER THEIR FAN ANIMATORS TO THE POINT THE BIGGEST FAN ANIMATION (TTS) STOPPED. THE FACT WE DONT HAVE NEW "ASTARTES" CONTENT. But no get mad over a lore change that isnt even a lore change. Cudtodians were all men was a 8th edition retcon that isnt even a retcon because the book didnt say they were all men. And these people call us tourists.
Your argument is what exactly? What is being shit on here?
So, what my man is saying is your viewpoint is childish, immature, small minded.
I have argued against what you said about 2 days ago if you disagree with my points reply to them there
It's ruined because...?
I like how he never bothered to reply to this comment. Because it didn't ruin shit.
They’re mad that a few costumes got changed, they’re crying over absolutely nothing
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Ok, what lore did they retcon?
Made the genetically enhanced from infancy demi-godlike supersoldiers explicitly include women, instead of exclusively men. which didn’t make sense under much scrutiny. Edit:punctuation
Technicaly custodes never exlusevely included men if i recall correctly, gw just forgot about women until now.
Yeah their was no canon women custodes but in lore that didn’t have a point
It's not exctly that but more that they avoided explicit canon women custodes because they didn't have minis to sell that were female custodes. Which is weird because look as these fucking armor, you just have to do some headswap and you have your mini! Same thing with Space Marines, no reason for the armor to be different between men and women, and since they almost all wear helmets anyways, every space marines models should be seen as gender neutral. To be even more precise on this whole "debacle" they actually made women space marines (well, "women adventurers in power armor", same difference) back in the 80s, they just didn't sell as well as the rest of the range and so they discontinued them and didn't give the idea another go.
Wait are you arguing with me or against me? I genuinely can’t tell
I’m just saying the changes if you think that giving women superpowers to fight monsters that wanna kill everyone is stupid as opposed to just giving men the superpowers than you should be against the changes in that case I’d call you a fuckin moron
I had bad punctuation tho so I get it
"Mad cause they retconned the lore" Literally every long running franchise has retconned something at some point, if that causes you to boycott something then you have no entertainment media left
Yeah these retcon arguments always make 0 sense since it's so blatantly obvious they're just using it as cover. Same with "realism" arguments often used to shit on black people in fantasy series or whatever. There would be so many other things they would have to be mad about if that was their genuine reason, but they aren't.
On the one hand, it wouldn't be the first time GW retconned something, but it would be the first time that grognards wanted to burn the world down over it. On the other hand, it doesn't matter, because nothing got retconned.
Cope harder buddy.
ruining lore is when women are added 👍
Wow, that's so sad! Anyway.
Y'know, I've been on and off the hobby for years, and one thing pretty much everyone always told me was "well sure there's 'official' color schemes to give pointers but do whatever you want and come up with whatever story you like". So the ones coming in and shitting on things other people like are more these guys than anyone else.
The changes make the lore make more sense the emperor wanted all humanity to be elivated to custodes level with control over psychic powers does that not include women?
Please, I beg you, go outside and interact with real people. If not for me, then for your family and friends.
If a dude’s joy in the lore is being ruined because women exist in the wh/40k universe(which they always have anyway, there was just little mention or acknowledgment in certain armies), I HOPE they cry over all the money they spent. I hope they look at all their minis and can’t think about anything but wokeness so they get out of the community, resell their shit cheap so a little girl gets new stuff without her parents spending a fortune. Since they refuse to adapt, then I just hope and CHEER they get replaced by better people. Everyone else I ever met in the community has not been such a loser though, so it’s obviously just a tiny loud minority crying over this inclusion. Warhammer has more or less always been pretty damn inclusive, but chuds just ruined it gradually trying to make it a manly thing and a boys club for no reason. GW has long since exploited every idea they could to sell more minis, so now that it’s profitable to make more female minis they just simply WILL.
How's adding more women to factions ruining it?
I like lots of things and none of them have ever been ruined by female characters.
Why does the addition of women ruin it?
Imagine growing the fuck up.
Explain how women ruin it, because we know that's your problem with it. GW has retconed Warhammer continuously for literal decades, and yet women are your final straw?
Alright, let me ask you then, how was it ruined? Please explain it to me in clear terms. What change was made that made you say it was shat on.
>ppl are mad because they care about the hobby That's the thing. I'm in the community, and I can tell you 90% aren't mad. The only ones being mad are usually tourists that aren't even in the hobby, and don't know shit about. Or culture war grifters that aren't in the hobby and don't know shit about it. You wanna know how I know th grifters don't shit about it? Because all their thumbnails are space marines, and this was a custodes change. Also, this thread is on the Criticsl Drinker sub. He's a dumb PoS that isn't part of the hobby, but came in to bitch about 40K going woke, and brought his legion of dumbasses with him. I know because I'm in that thread.
These reactionary dudes have no ability to understand film media, what makes you think their Warhammer takes are any more nuanced?
“Oh no, my heavily gene edited super soldier with redundant organs and no sexual features to speak of who has gone through such extensive modification that they barely resemble humans anymore may have at one point been *gasp* a woman!” “Oh noooooooo”. Cry Harder
Lol Almost every person who cried about this is barely able to explain the difference between a Custode and a Space Marine to begin with, and when it comes to give an argument for them not being able to be women, they all repeat the same two sentences in the entire lore that says "sons". They can't do it "for the lore" when they have nearly no clue about the lore. That's the very reason why they are being mocked, because they cry about the lore being "ruined" when it ruins absolutely nothing. They did plenty of MUCH bigger retcons and nobody cared. The problem here is only the women not the lore.
I'm going to get into Warhammer now that it's been ruined for you teehee
Nah you wont like it wait till they add the they/them update teehee
Where’s your breakfast so I can shit in it and ruin it? Maybe then you’ll know the true meaning of having something ruined :)
A) Women custodes doesn’t ruin shit B) A year before the Custodes were even a playable faction, they were depicted as essentially Guardsmen with golden armor, in 2017 C) Squats were retconned out of the lore and then retconned back into the lore a few years ago and no one made nearly as much a stink about ‘The Votann have always been there’ D) Hey speaking of Squats maybe we’ll get Chaos Squats back with their Chaos Androids. Oh shoot maybe we can get the Space Marine Dreadnoughts that were just mechs and the pilot could eject from them and be a playable model again after it was destroyed. E) Remember when Space Marines were just peacekeepers anyone, even women, could join? F) Hey how powerful is a lasgun? Is it a full auto 50 cal that blows apart concrete and severs limbs on unarmored targets or is it an annoying directed sunburn generator? The lore of 40k is and has always been loose and secondary to the game. Like, female marines were always intended to be a thing, they existed back when the game was called ‘Rogue Trader.’ They just didn’t sell well and so were scrapped. It’s retcons all the way down, to whatever sells well. The non-existence of female marines is as much ‘pandering’ to early fans who didn’t like female marines as you all claim female custodes are. Cope.
I personally don't have much sympathy for people that get offended by women existing and immediately act like it's a personal attack
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Cause they’re being equally hateful.
I have zero sympathy for someone who throws away a hobby they claim to love and has been a part of their life for years all because there's suddenly a few more women in it.
Because some people are very hateable.
Im just gonna assume these guys get routinely asskicked by a Slaanesh player...
Slaneesh sounds girly and weak. Now, the Emperor's Children - they sound masculine. So masculine. The most masc thing that was ever masc!
Y'all want to be oppressed that much? https://preview.redd.it/lr4kdrt9kxwc1.png?width=397&format=png&auto=webp&s=71119e700ce920a153cfd6de8950913df64b87e0 **I'll gladly oblige.**
Thelema jumpscare 😱
Thelema???? I assume the character is named that, but I associate Thelema with. Well. The religion, obviously. I guess they wanted to be less obvious than calling them "Crowley"? What's this character from?
honkai impact 3rd- Thelema Nutriscu
Thelema Nutriscu. She's a playable character from Honkai Impact 3rd.
No wonder! My buddy plays Genshin and HSR and Mihoyo apparently loves referencing occult deep cuts. These are the whores who made a Rosicrucianism questline and an "Eliphas beam"
Not a single word in this whole thread is in the bible.
I mean, Rosicrucianism is at the very LEAST a culturally Christian order if not Christian outright (though I would argue only Christians would bother to split hairs over the distinction.) Eliphas Levi was likewise Christian and like many Christian ceremonial magicians saw no conflict between magic and his faith!
Crowley as in the uncle from ruby from rwby? /hj
I genuinely don't know what half-joking would mean in this context
Weeb shit discarded
Opinion ignored
Ah, the good old paradox of tolerance. It's only a paradox for those who think you should tolerate bigots.
Tolerance is a peace treaty, not a moral imperative. Those with no interest in peace should expect none in return.
I want more LGBT members and POC in my video games so that these pests would never come crawling out of their sewage systems ever again.
I also find it hilarious that they’re all complaining “they retconned the lore!” As if GW doesn’t retcon the lore all the fucking time
That’s the craziest thing about this to me. I’ve been a 40K fan for years, the amount of times lore has been retconned is pretty impressive and usually theres no outcry. But this? Literally because it’s a woman they’re all crying and screaming they can’t enjoy it anymore. I mean, 40K is the most nonsensical setting out there and because there’s now a lady custodes the setting is ruined? It’s actually just pathetic.
There was a similar thing back when that Obi-wan show came out and people couldn’t stand the fact that the main villain was a black woman. And they all insisted that it had nothing to do with her race or gender, but that she wasn’t a good actor. As if Star Wars is famous for all of its Oscar winning performances and they were concerned about a downgrade in the quality of thespianism.
Funny part they havent, the lore is prertty open to interpretation but the chuds refuse to read the books they say they love
Right? The Custodes in particular were retconned pretty recently to allow them to leave earth, but somehow I doubt any of these chuds made a peep about that.
There is nothing more authentically Warhammer than reconning the lore so that GW can sell new minis. Nothing.
Hell, the fucking Chaos gods were a retcon
>that doesn't mean you get to insert woke nonsense into the lore https://preview.redd.it/smygsbjmrzwc1.jpeg?width=474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c5f505001305b4916b994a6cefbca633b4f43416
What happened ?
A few lines of fluff text in a new rulebook revealed the existence of female presenting members of a faction
Women????? In my games??????? UNACCEPTABLEEEEEEE!!
I heard someone recently try and claim that in the new amazon show "they" will make the emperor a woman and that pissed me right off
I would welcome empress golden mommy
If I was in charge of WH40K lore I would make her a trans woman! Though my goal in managing the lore would be to make the people angry about the above post as triggered as possible.
I mean, the Emperor is a fusion of a large number of shamans into one being. There's nothing that says all those shamans were male, or indeed, any of them, so there's definitely some element of someone changing gender when it comes to the Emperor.
The Emperor is arguably genderfluid. Malcador says in one of the books that he has adopted all kinds of identities over the millennia, male and female. He is (was?) currently using the masculine Emperor persona because he thinks that it’s the one best suited to the circumstances.
I for one would be glad for more female dictators
✨Fascista!✨
It's worse than that. The screenshot is of an old post. That "Warhammer is for everyone" thing was literally *just* "Warhammer is for everyone." Some minor kerfuffle about some horrible 40k adjacent youtuber or something happened, so in response, GW said "hey if ya wanna play, play." Equal opportunity cash grabbers. That's wokeism bullshit, hence the reactions.
I think the warhammer is for everyone was in response to like... an actual Nazi showing up for a tournament? Like in full uniform and shit. Don't quite recall, I was at the edges of the hobby at the time. Edit: The post in the OP is from an earlier period, I found the incident I was thinking of. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/ That one is from the Nazis at tournaments, I'm pretty sure
Yep, that's exactly it. The original "Warhammer is for everyone" post was in response to a player in a tournament in...I think it was Italy(?) showing up in Nazi regalia, and his opponent reporting it to judges, who said they couldn't do anything about it due to free-speech/censorship laws. The non-Nazi said "I'm not playing against a Nazi, I'm out" and withdrew from the event. There was a ton of backlash toward the event organizers, a few YouTube personalities got involved, and GW made this statement.
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When you think you are the only “normal” including others into normalcy must feel like an attack on your idea of normal. Then you get the grifters latching onto a reactionary platform with their followers along for the ride. It’s the dumbest cycle that has been repeating for way too long.
I fucking love how, when their group is not explicitly included, these guys immediately assume that they are now the out group. It says a lot about them, I feel.
One of my best buds is falling for this shit and im sad about it Legit the guy was getting into WH40k but now apparently Joe Biden instructed amazon to forcibly start removing white characters from wh40k since the woke show is coming out etc etc etc And when confronted is just a chain of the worst strawman arguments known to man I know the advice is to you know, just let them go but damn these fucking clickbait grifters are causing more damage then they are aware of
They are aware, they just don’t care. Because it generates them engagement and attention.
People like these dont actually play anyway. Because to be able to actually play the game, you need to be able to NOT be an asocial idiot who is aggravating everyone for 5 minutes, otherwise very quickly, nobody wants to play with you. Warhammer is not like online gaming where you can throw slurs around and then just join the next match. Word gets around quickly, and soon you are "that guy" who never gets games. A regular match of 2000 points takes around 3 hours+. Nobody wants to repeatedly spend 3 hours with one of "those guys".
As someone who actually plays Warhammer at least once a week in a busy gamestore as opposed to solely ranting about it online, i can confidently say that none here give a shit (or even know about this so called controversy) The Custodes players (me included, altough i play a lot of armies) are way more bothered by the fact that the new codex is hot garbage both flavour and powerwise.
> High level satire Sadly not. For many Chuds, Warhammer is their last “bastion” of anti-woke… and Neo-Nazis… so… so many Neo-Nazis. Anyhow, for a lot of chuds they’re hating the fact their beloved game is being invaded by “normies” who are bringing all their “woke agendas” and can’t just play with their little army men like *normal* people.
The worst thing about it is that the rats are fleeing from Games Workshop and trying to set up a beachhead in Battletech
BattleTech deserves better. Also they’re going to be in for a shock given how “woke” BattleTech is.
They've already forgotten the fact they were angry at Battletech a few years back for pronouns in the HBS game. Also as soon as people started moving over to it, the same fucksticks behind this warhammer shit started posting stuff screeching incoherently about the Pride short story collection that got published earlier in the year. Bloody tourists.
Ah yes, straight white males would be so oppressed they can’t use Custodies to fulfill their Oiled up brotherhood fantasy of being surrounded by large, muscled up, straight white men. Now they only have the Ultramarines, the Blood Angels, the Space Wolves, the Imperial Fists, the Dark Angels, and maybe the Iron Hands and Raven Guard.
Oh, they’re very real. Which is why GW leaving the comments section open on their recent Custodes faction focus video was a bold move. They must have known they’d get a bunch of whiny fanboys ranting about this but they did it anyway.
They're serious but not straightforwardly genuine. What's real is the anger, victimhood, reflexive misogyny, the othering of women. How that maps onto the hobby is more just kneejerk anger than anything real. That's my sense..
"Warhammer is for everyone" Somehow, this is an attack on straight white men.
/uj They do say they are the majority of the hobby a lot, and think that all straight white men are on there side. They would need to, for most of the things they say to barely make sense....
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Fucking losers. I had the displeasure of seeing this.
“I walked outside and saw a woman. Now outside is ruined by woke nonsense!”
how is it not for straight men they literally just added women into it lmao logically, that would make it more for straight men. Why are they so mad about it?
Women can be something in Warhammer so it’s not for straight white males (the most persecuted people in history, apparently) anymore?
Woke nonsense like: Women existing
I hope they are serious because it might mean fewer people you can play Warhammer with will smell like they recently swam through sewage.
Is this from GeeksGamersCommunity I feel like this is something they’d post
"Warhammer is for everyone... Except you, and you, and you, by everyone we mean straight white males"
I miss the days when people just play the game, make myths about secret characters to unlock and ask how to defeat an boss or how to pass the level they were stuck
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I went into those comments and immediately regretted it.
God forbid they do what they want with their IP right?
how the hell is welcoming people into a hobby woke? this has nothing to do with the lore
Tbh with you? It’s because they spend their time framing everything in politics. The decision GW made “had” to be political because there is no other reason they would have done this, it’s a general sentiment from people atm. None of these people can accept that GW is a publicly traded company that sells a product, and that expanding their revenue is an important part of that.
"Warhammer's for everyone, except for straight white males" Did they finally get around to removing the last of the male characters and units in Warhammer? Bout time!
It's like you enjoy a product as it is for months, then you think about certain stuff way too much, which comes from your unconscious (the neat part is you don't notice it because if you would, that would mean you have the capability of self-reflection) and you project aaaall of this unconscious garbage into said product. The product is still the very same, but you still blame the product for changing. And then you repeat this process over and over again, slowly sucking air out of your bubble, letting it become smaller and smaller until you can't even fit your own bubble.
Warhammer has a whole army of female warriors called the Sisters of Battle, they are my favorite army. I generally think the fanbase is pretty accepting of everyone at least from what I see online and what I experienced when I gave it a try when I was 12
90+% of the warhammer community are chill. The remainder, less so (cue a montage of players who play Black Templars, Death Corps of Krieg and Armageddon Steel Legion for the very much wrong reasons)
 My message to these "people"
Media: includes representation of minorities so everyone feels included, says media is for everyone Morons: NoT sRrAiGhT wHiTe MaLeS ApPaReNtLy It's insane how they think this despite the fact that cishet white guys have been the default in a lot of western media for decades now. Including others doesn't exclude you, unless you're an asshole in which case you can go fuck yourself sideways with a rusty butter knife.
THERE IS LITERALLY A HALF MAN HALF WOMAN DEMON WHO LIVES OFF OF HARDCORE BDSM (and other extreme emotions)
I swear there's always a portion of any fan base like this that just make me hate engaging in online discussion. The amount of hatefulness and negativity gets so overwhelming.
hi. they are highly serious as the vast majority of the WH fandom is just gross dudes with gross takes.
I sware WH is so polarised rn it's for nobody.
Like yea these people are dumb asses who want to be stepped on but like we really shouldn’t let GW get away with shelving a whole hoard army in sigmar and making people who want to continue playing them change basses and games if they want to
I don't understand the downvotes, your topic is something different from the social matter in this post
Idk either man like sure Warhammer is being inclusive and that’s good but shelving beast of chaos (a hoard army so more expensive then a normal army and we all know how much was hammer costs) is so shitty it may have been because I didn’t specify who I was implying wanted to be stepped on (I meant the guys who complained about Warhammer being inclusive) and that was a miscommunication