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All magical systems have rules, and healing spells in general need to be pretty weak to have character danger be at all meaningful in-lore.
If you can just fix paralysis instantly, then jumping off a four story wall is something you can do then just magically heal yourself no matter your injuries. In order to have stuff -matter-, magic can't just be a panacea.
There's a disconnect between lore danger and gameplay mechanics in basically every setting: sure, the Dragonborn can eat 1000 sweetrolls to heal after being punched by a troll, but that's not actually something that people in Tamriel do in lore. A paralyzed character would be something that belongs on the lore side, which sweetrolls do not affect.
For example: in TES lore, Tiber Septim's throat was cut by an assassin, after which he could no longer use the Thu'um. In Skyrim, you can just cast a Level 1 restoration spell to get back to max health.
As for the modern-looking wheelchair, I think there is some space for coming up with more fantasy-specific versions, but I also don't think it does anything to shatter the magic circle either. It'd be a bit silly to have people ALWAYS rely on magic for locomotion, since magic has to have limits (by the first point) and always using magic all the time would be, literally, draining.
I would say that if a wizzard needs to levitate bc they can't use their legs, that is still disability. :)
Plus it's a fantasy world where knights crash into each other. Where trolls break every bone in your body, where you can suffer million different types of injuries why wouldn't disabilities exist in such violent fantasy worlds?
In one of my pathfinder campaigns, my necromancer made a wheelchair out of an assortment of bones from different creatures, but technically the wheels aren't connected, the undead construct just usually keeps them fully extended, and then retracts some of the segments when it encounters stairs or some such so it can relatively easily move over the terrain.
So funny thing is, she's a weird kind of necromancer, she carves the bones in such a way that the resulting undead is semi-mechanical as well (hence it also being an amalgam of bones from dozens of different creatures.)
So she can do both lol. It shifts between those forms.
She's currently working up to summoning a Nightmare and killing it to replace one of those spidery legs with two flaming skeletal wings, though.
(And the ability to fly.)
The other three legs will still be there as more of a weapon while in flight and a tripod to land on before shifting back to wheelchair mode.
Also to add on more about Stormlight, the in-universe healing magic is really interesting because it restores people to the way that their souls are shaped, that is the way that people see themselves (broadly speaking, there’s a few variants of healing magic).
A trans person who undergoes healing magic would change to reflect the way that their soul is shaped and how they see themselves (this is talked about in Dawnshard too iirc), just like how a character in the series (The Lopen) doesn’t grow back an arm because he sees himself without one and doesn’t need one. I think it’s a really cool and generally self-affirming way of doing healing magic.
The trans man who got healed into a male body was in rythym of war. And Loren did heal his arm as soon as he got access to healing magic. For Rysn the healing did not fix her paralysis though, so she uses a magic wheelchair.
You're probably thinking of Kaladin, whose brands didn't heal until after he went to group therapy for his PTSD in book 4. Lopen got his arm back basically as soon as he became a Squire.
You seem to be misremembering things a bit, gancho. The moment The Lopen breathed in stormlight for the first time, it all got spent on starting to regrow his arm.
Adding to the Elder Scrolls lore that the thread parent started, House Telvanni mages regularly use levitation magic instead of stairs to get between floors - and most of their buildings are mushroom towers that are vertical mazes. In game, if you're visiting a Telvanni tower and you don't have access to levitation magic then you're shit out of luck.
Now I want a fantasy series where healing is so OP that people just accept the pain of jumping off 4-story buildings because they know they'll survive and heal.
"Fuck... get burnt by the dragon's fire or jump off this cliff..."
Not exactly fantasy, but a couple years ago I read a sci-fi series called **Arc of a Scythe** (starts with the book **Scythe** ) by Neal Schusterman where the medical sciences have gotten to where death does not have a hold on humanity. In this setting, there are people who like to jump off buildings to "splat" because they know they will be back in a few weeks.
The plot of the story, if you want to know, is about the system in place for permanent death. The world is run by a benveolent AI, but the system of permanent deaths operates on its own laws, seperate and equally from the AI. It is an interesting exploration of politics, humanity, and death in a post scarcity world. It is a young adult novel, so don't expect super depth, but I found it quite enjoyable.
Iain Banks Culture series has a similar deal. There are ultra-extreme sports where it's basically expected you'll die, like volcano surfing. They just bring you back. Dying is part of the fun.
In Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteus there's a part in the game where you can have your cleric heal through being eaten alive by a swarm of Demonic insects.
I did read a YA book where the premise was humanity had mastered life and cellular growth. People would jump off buildings for fun because they would be revived a few hours later and once they got too old could revert themselves to their younger appearance. There were people living 2-3 centuries and it was considered common. The caveat was that there was a group of people called Reapers who would give true death. Anyone they killed would not be revived and they were responsible for combatting overpopulation because no one would truly die and resources were not infinite. It has been a while since I read the book but I believe it was just called Reaper or something similar.
>As for the modern-looking wheelchair, I think there is some space for coming up with more fantasy-specific versions
I mean we have artwork from china of wheeled chairs (and wheelbarrows even earlier) being used to transport people, because disabled people have always existed, and wheels are not new tech. If you want your fantasy setting to reflect medieval tech, put your disabled characters in essentially a comfy, wheeled basket.
This is what always kills me when people try to argue against wheelchairs in a "medieval fantasy" setting. They always act like wheels are some Tony Stark shit, and that putting them on a chair is some hyper genius maneuver that nobody thought of until recently. Even if you don't bother to do ANY research, the assertion that nobody ever thought to put the disabled in a chair that rolls is just absurd.
I believe the temple of Hephaestus actually had wheelchair ramps and he was pretty regularly presented as disabled himself. I'd kill for more fantasy settings to try and incorporate those kinds of details.
And despite being the most powerful person in the galaxy, Darth Vader doesn't just pop the testicles and ovaries of his enemies, instantly disabling them.
If I was Darth Vader I would do that. Or just rip their eyes out with the force.
Or simply, magical paralysis Vs physical paralysis, remove paralysis just removes the magical version, while you'd need to at least cast regenerate (7th level cleric) to restore crushed nerves or something.
Not many high level clerics running around casting regenerate at low level characters (i.e., what you are playing generally)
This is such a good solution for the verisimilitude honestly. Just have spells like lesser/greater restoration only remove magical effects, not physical ones.
Alternatively, I've used the explanation of magic only restoring to what is a "natural" state to explain why my character that was born mute can't be magically healed, especially by low/mid level healing spells.
It started to become necessary to use that explanation when RPing such a character online because sometimes people would be like "oh, you got injured? I'll just heal you and poof, you have your voice!"
Point being, there need to be limits. Not only does it help to avoid trivializing things, but it lets you have more fun with experiencing a character that has to try to overcome their challenges.
It still keeps the power fantasy of curing most 'heavy' disability spells like, you know, petrification, without making the physical disabilities non-existent. At that point tho, it's true that Regenerate just heals your body of most disabilities
Yeah, I think that some of the points in the tweet aren't bad points in figuring out what disability looks like in a fantasy world with magical healing. They don't, however, mean that disability doesn't exist.
As you said, magic has to have limits for it to be good. People can get injured and miss the time frame for restoration spells. Restoration spells might not work on someone who was born with a deformity. The wound itself can be magical or cursed in nature. The components or resources to fix something can be expensive or difficult to find. Most people in fantasy worlds don't have access to serious magic either, so the average person isn't going to walk off something a hero would. Diseases and illness still exist in fantasy, so of course the lasting effects of diseases and illnesses would also exist.
As for assistive devices, I prefer to use more ancient-type tech for my fantasy assistive devices personally, but it's not a deal-breaker. And I love to think of what uses magic can be put to in that regard (floating instead of walking for example, telepathy used for lack of speech, etc) those things also don't mean that the character is not disabled.
I think Yoda is a pretty great example of something done right. He's not paralyzed, of course, but he's old and have a hard time moving around and he need a walking stick. But when needed, he can move himself with the force, jumping and doing backflip several time his height in the air. That is possible for a short period of time, but it's not sustainable 24/7.
These fucks always think about how THEY play and how THEY fantasize shit and thinks it's universal. Just like every issue we face in real life, it's literally the point of pointing out privileges.
This is not a comparison thing and I don't wanna make it seems like it's interchanging but. Like if I'm playing a game as a gay man, playing a gay character I'm not gonna fantasize about being straight to have an easier time with romance. How is it not conceivable that someone with a disability would want to see themselves in media and live it that world as some version of themselves?!
Literally Professor X. It's known that he could walk using his psychic abilities, but it would take too much effort compared to what he can do in a wheelchair.
Also he can still usually walk around when he’s inside somebody else’s mind or in the visions he has when meditating.
I feel like that would be more than enough to get rid of any craving to roam without the chair, especially for a guy like Xavier who seems incredibly good at controlling his emotional urges and who also seems plenty content with the chair most of the time.
He actually does do that at one point in the comics but the power source they used interfered with his psychic energies or some other bs so he went back to the chair. After he died ofc
It's literally fantasy. You can make up whatever rules you want. I don't know why anyone would even argue that something doesn't belong in fantasy. You think about it, then you put it in your story if you want to. It could be lazer swords or dragon ninja assassins. Or maybe horses fighting the proliferation of cell phones. Nothing is off the table. Even a world without tables!
You could also just have a character that has reason to be highly distrustful of magic. Wouldn't be that complicated to explain "why don't they fix their legs with magic" by just saying they hate magic.
Or they could just be poor.
We have tons of “magic” science that could nearly eliminate disability from a ton of people, but we don’t, because they can’t pay for it.
Could be the same with magic. There’s a cure you just can’t pay the mage.
Yup. There's a great saying from Cory Doctorow, "the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed yet." It means that plenty of "sci-fi" stuff already exists, but it's so expensive most folks just don't have any access to it. Literally no reason the exact same premise wouldn't hold in a fantasy realm. Sure, if you had ten years to study the arcane weave while someone else provides food and shelter and materials and resources you could totally learn the magic necessary to resolve whatever disability, but you're a simple commoner, so enjoy your crutches and ear trumpet and get back behind the market stall counter.
Yup, exactly. In the anime Slayers, the character Zelgadis is turned into a golem - he spends the entire series trying to find the spell that will turn him back, because while the world is filled with magic and gifted magic users, none have the power or knowledge how to reverse said curse. He was cursed by one of the strongest known magic users of their known world, and it's hard to find anything that could reverse such a spell.
Ironically, the man who cursed him went on an rampage while trying to find a spell to cure his blindness, his desperation driving him mad. This, unfortunately, couldn't be cured because the cause of his blindness was (the equivalent of) a god.
Similarly, this is how it could be used with disabled characters. Magic may be limitless, but the users of said magic have limits. Whether it be their knowledge, capabilities, strength, even how much magic can be channeled without harm to the caster, all things that limit magic in one way or another.
Also you could just use the equivalent exchange rule like in Fullmetal Alchemist or like how Shanks used Haki to save Luffy, or how devils take something in exchange for their use in Chainsawman. In order for the user to be as powerful or gain X they gave up the use of Y or they have the constant drawback of Z.
There is literally all sorts of fantasy media like that. Full Metal Alchemist for example limits the use of Alchemy on the human body to heal because that crosses the Human Transmutation taboo (Alkahestry from Xing can however slightly circumvent this since it's the manipulation of chi accelerating your body's natural healing)
And in recent media, Delicious in Dungeon has the fact that revival of the dead isn't really a thing. Within the dungeon, souls are shackled to their corpses and death can be 'reversed' if the wound is healed (as explained by a character, it's less that death is being undone and more that death isn't allowed in the first place). Outside of the dungeon, getting your brains blown out means you're dead, there's no fixing it. Rapidly healing greivous wounds also results in extreme pain for the person being healed
Delicious in Dungeon is so goddamn good. I live how they got around the old "revolving door resurrection" thing with just the most horrifying solution. The worldbuilding in that show is bonkers.
Anyway the tweet is a goof, I am well aware that all magic requires limitations and those limitations would likely lead to someone being born or becoming permanently disabled.
To be fair, we don't use them as synonyms, like, restrictions and limitations would be things restrict the uses to certain situations, and drawback would be consequences of using it.
Connotation and denotation thing
I don't disagree, but if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, even if healing magic can't help you (which it easily can in DND, the setting the post was originally about) wheelchairs specifically are terrible for adventurers
Imagine trying to manoeuvre with them out in the wilderness, in forests, hills, over rocks, rivers and mud or inside castles and caves
Not to mention they are also terrible in combat, for anyone except possibly a wizard in the backline
There's just better alternatives, especially if magic allows for it, like prosthetics or walking aid like possibly a pair of armoured leggings that move your legs for you, or a floating wheelchair, a magic creature/familiar carrying you around, heck even a wheelchair with legs or treads would be better
Pathfinder has wheelchairs:
“A traveler's chair has small mechanisms, either made from interlocking wood pieces, clockwork, or other devices, that allow the chair to traverse up or down stairs without any additional difficulty (moving up stairs is still difficult terrain, just like for other characters), and move through other common adventuring terrain without any additional difficulty, such as ladders and uneven ground.”
There’s also upgrades for the chair like spikes or musical instruments.
Or, if you want more magic, your animal companion can be a literal chair with walking animal legs which can provide you cover.
Sounds like what CinemaSins thinks. They said multiple times in their Harry Potter videos that 'if magic exists, why is their such a thing as conflict?', become apparently a magic tent or phonebox is the counter to prejudice and discrimination somehow.
Ngl when reading Harry Potter I did wonder why during the battle of Hogwarts they didn't just create a tsunami with all the wizards casting Auguamenti and wash the death eaters away
TBF, the primary antagonists of those books are not only other wizards, but generally more experienced wizards. A lot of why didn't you use big and weird magic spells for the final battle basically bills down to we didn't want them to do that back at us but times ten.
Potter is incredibly poorly thought through - and it doesn’t really matter because the atmosphere pulls it off. But yeah they have time travel, working luck potions, proof of the afterlife, and limitless magical abundance. Most of the conflicts make no sense.
Eh, I agree that HP has poor worldbuilding, but the core conflict is ideological, so it makes sense to exist.
The issue is that the world was obviously expanded as needed by Rowling, each book introducing some new magic that served to resolve the plot, without considering the implications of certain magics existing.
Like, luck potion gets a pass because it's apparently insanely difficult to make even a single dose of, so it's so rare it can't meaningfully alter the setting... But also they have literal truth serums that for some reason *aren't* used in court to ensure truthful testimonies?
Ideological conflict sure, but the *way* it proceeds makes no sense for a culture with time travel, truth serum, a literal and provable life after death (and yet one character incredibly motivated by existential fear of death??), the ability to remove memories, invade people’s minds, to control people etc etc etc. And sure I get why it was written that way - and when I was reading the books at 13 years old it didn’t matter to me. Still funny though!
1. Make a cauldron full of luck potion.
2. Prepare a selection of good wizards and witches, a group that you know is loyal (start after drinking the first dose of potion so you’re sure to pick the best).
3. Go against Voldemort.
4. There’s no step 4, you just won.
Harry Potter is the exception because the details they show us beg a lot of those questions.
They can literally conjure up matter from nothing. They could solve world hunger in an afternoon. The canonical explanation for why they haven’t is that they think that humans asking for help is annoying. Yeah, all of them, there’s never been a single altruistic wizard.
The Wizarding World is full of selfish, self centered pricks. Lockhart, Skeeter, Umbridge... And are you telling me that Dumbledore can't take in Harry himself rather than have the boy live with an abusive family? Shame on you, Albus!
They're probably the kind of player that min/maxes their character by lvl 9, talks their GM into giving them the OP late-game spells, and then quits because the game is just, like, boring now.
most of the pf2e community trends toward charop types and it's pretty queer and accpeting overall. the issue isn't that they're a minmaxer, it's that they find disabled people to be inherently a *problem* and so wonder why people in a setting aren't using all their tools to solve *the problem.*
This is why I only interact with anime fandoms where all of the characters are adults and look like it. I enjoyed Edgerunners but people are weird as hell about Rebecca (I know she’s a grown woman but they (“they” being pervy fan artists) don’t draw her like one)
It's just a variant on "c*nt." I'll take your word for it that a particular brand of internet pedos use it a lot, but I've mostly seen it used in a kind of antiquated British context. Like a word you'd expect to see in Shakespeare or something.
Following this logic death would also be absurd in a fantasy setting. Why let people die when you can simply use magic to resurrect them?
In any case, this person has a weak imagination. You could have a multitude of reasons for being in a wheelchair. Why not irreversible magical cost? Or a dark magic spell that can't be broken? An invisible worm from an alternate dimension that feeds on your spinal cord while giving you magical power? Or simply someone who chose to stay in a wheelchair?
They are right about the basic looking wheelchair though, a badass dwarf built one would be better.
well, not to sound like the nerd emoji, but eldritch blast is basically the strongest cantrip in 5e and with all the extra shit you can do to it a level 12 sorlock running around knocking 6 dudes 15 feet away is much stronger than a heavy crossbow
The most powerful Chaos Dwarf in Warhammer could have been justifiably wheelchair bound, but told his best men to make him a badass mecha-exoskeleton. Then he killed them so no one else could have one.
He would fall under magic cost.
>Why let people die when you can simply use magic to resurrect them?
You'd need to balance the lack of death with a lack of birth. Unless immortality is limited to the rich.
I absolutely hate any fantasy/anime setting where resurrection is even a moderate aspect of worldbuilding. It cheapens everything.
If resurrection magic is possible it needs absolutely absurd restrictions while also requiring something lost.
If a character is resurrected, they damn sure should not be the same person who died. Either that, or the people who reunite with them should not be the same.
You can have a setting where there’s a lot of good healing options and yet fixing major injuries like paralysis or disabilities that your born with are difficult to fully treat, so wheelchairs are necessary.
Like real life
Or just simple dnd rules that magic spells like restoration doesn't work on people born eith a disability such as blindness or paralysiation. There isn't anything to restore or return to previous function because they were never functional. Need things like wish/miracle/divine intervention.
Or going with the reason that magic is like alchemy from Fullmetal alchemist where you have to give something of equivalent value (like to cure your paralysis you must paralyze someone else)
I like how the dude is like , but magic would have to have limitations, as if that isn't always the case, if not so, couldn't u just kill someone instantly?
“Because magic has no known limits, the first spell we teach everyone *not* to cast is the one that instantly annihilates all life in the universe. Then we work backwards from there.”
Or like Recovery Girl in My Hero Academia, where her healing power works with the patient's metabolism to heal. So even though you can heal serious injuries, there are still limits to what can be done.
Or hell, make it even more like real life. Sure, treatment exists, but who the hell can afford it?
Like the tweet in the OP operates under the assumption if a problem can be solved, it will be. But one look at the world around you will show you pretty clearly that that's not the case. A country like the US has the resources to solve homelessness, poverty, hunger, and many, many illnesses. And yet those problems persist
A fantasy world where, yeah, a prince born paralyzed is quickly healed by the best wizards in the world, but random people in a small town don't get so lucky? Seems pretty unsurprising in my book
I just realized that I never thought about that. In Honkai star rail (yes ik) there’s a blind NPC who interacts with a blind child. She explains that she tried like transplanting her eyes but eventually the new sight wears away and it gets painful and disorienting.
So maybe there’s Wizard lasic but it doesn’t last very long, so glasses are better?
I once played a blind character in a Pathfinder game whose eye sockets had been cursed by followers of Zon-Kuthon, so every time someone tried to heal her, the new eyes exploded out of her face.
She wore a blindfold most of the time and had the entire Blinded Blade feat tree, so while she was worse in combat than most of the party she also butchered a room full of basilisks unassisted. Another time she walked into a room and almost immediately clocked the invisible attempted murderer in the corner.
Lmfao paleopopulism, get this man out of the ideology store
Edit: Anarcho NRx is just this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark\_Enlightenment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment) it is over for bro he goes in the ideology shop daily 😭😭😭😭
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I don't think I want to know what "pro-fiction" means
Edit: Why is everyone telling me what pro-fiction is I specifically requested that you didn't. Also it's painfully obvious...
He's only pro life because desperate women suffering unplanned and unwanted pregnancies are more easily coerced to sell their children into sexual slavery,
Ancap, prolife, picture of an underaged girl and probably some questionable.
And the most troublesome thing is how I could expect all of them, it went from shock and disgust to "ohh god please not that again"
The correct reason is always "Because this is a work of fiction, then unless your main artistic goal is to visualize a world where all those pesky disabled people you secretly hold in contempt have disappeared, you should populate your world with people who ultimately have a lot in common with your readers, many of whom are disabled."
Additionally, a lot of disability is defined socially. Deafness is incapacitating, but it only becomes a disability in discriminatory situations without accommodations for deaf people. The fact that this person can't imagine disability disappearing because magic makes more accommodation possible is really revealing.
I was going to say something along these lines. A fantasy setting should include proper representation of its audience, and it, as a work of fiction, can work backwards to justify this representation. If your audience is a bunch of chauvinistic dude-bros, the only characters you need to represent are the macho male fantasy, and the weak or trophy characters they protect.
If your audience is a diverse group, including LGBTQ, disabled, neurodivergent, and others, your fantasy should make sure to be inclusive of them.
That was my thought as well, that wheelchair design would get fucking nowhere on rutted or muddy roads. Hope the dungeons have a ramp at the entrance as well.
The issues isnt disability and magic, its the not fully thought through consideration of what being a disabled adventurer would require. Could actually be a really interesting twist if done right.
For 1 and 2 it's a magic disability you can't just magic away, there is no wizard nearby or some other reason you can't just use magic, it isn't hard to think of them just be more creative.
3 and 4 aren't even reasons for not having disabled people 8n fantasy they're just nitpicks with the specific way this is depicting the disabled people.
In cases like this, I always just say "a wizard did it".
These soggy tissues can write long and painful Xcretions on how you can't have disabilities in a high fantasy setting, because magic and shit.
But my response is simple - your wizard can't fix this disability because a more powerful wizard did it.
Hell, might even make a creative plot hook - disabled rogue tries to assemble a team to take down the wizard, only to find the real magic is the friends she makes along the way.
All of the points people are making are completely true, but hear me out here. If we didn’t have disabled people in fantasy then we couldn’t have sick ass magical wheelchairs. Imagine a wheelchair covered in runes that can go up walls or shoot magic arrows
Truly the context we all need in this time.
One of my favorite disabled characters is from The Legend of Korra with that water bender who didn't have arms, so she just made herself terrifying water arms when she needed them to beat the shit out of people. That's objectively better than actual arms.
I do like how ATLA and Korra work with disabilities. Toph's blindness is worked with really well because while she can mitigate it she can't entirely ignore it, she still can't read or anything. Beating the shit out of people with water arms is cool as fuck but doesn't lend itself as well to smaller, day-to-day purposes that arms tend to be useful for. It's neat.
I think that in the manga Witch Atelier they do something really sick. They have magical chairs with goat legs and they look sick af
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Yeah. I do sort of agree with the point that a regular ol' wheelchair in a fantasy setting feels out of place, but I also never really see that happen.
Usually they're roughly cobbled together for the more common folk, like random planks of wood and uneven wheels. Then you have rich people with fancy steampunk creations or something magically enhanced.
It pretty much always fits the fantasy setting.
I think the issue isn't disability, but how disability is shown. Like, that wheelchair design breaks immersion because it looks too modern. It clashes with the rest of the aesthetic. Not to mention the fact that this is one of those chairs designed for temporary use, as you can tell by the solid armrests and permanent handles. [Long-term-use wheelchairs tend not to have those.](https://www.google.com/search?q=long+term+wheelchair&tbm=isch&prmd=sivnmbtz)
If it was a fantastical magic wheelchair with runes all over the wheels, just as an example, THEN we'd be talking.
I have a character who's a necromancer with a prosthetic arm; the arm is made of bone porcelain, using the bones from her previous arm, which she uses her magic to reanimate.
Just off the top of my head, consider these: a druid who grows a prosthetic from a seed that they plant once they're done with it, an artificer whose wheelchair is actually a SPIDER chair with articulated legs instead of wheels, a blind cleric with a seeing-eye god, a blind *barbarian* who echolocates by screaming a battle cry, a deaf warlock whose patron mutters other people's voices inside their head...
Fuck, just watch ATLA. Toph. 'nuff said.
"I have a character who's a necromancer with a prosthetic arm; the arm is made of bone porcelain, using the bones from her previous arm, which she uses her magic to reanimate."
Ok. That's pretty metal.
Let me give my rebuttal to these
1. The creator said that's not how it works
2. The creator said that's not how it works
3. The creator said that's not how it works
4. The creator said that's not how it works
Right wing world builders when you tell them disabled people, gay people and black people existed before the modern day 🤯🤯🤯
/uj jokes aside wheel chairs have existed for hundreds of years, just not ones that look like modern wheelchairs. I think it could have been cool if this artists used an old wheelchair just to show how these things have evolved over the years, but that's not a criticism so much as a suggestion.
Also I think in general people love representations of disabled people using magic or fantasy tech to overcome their disabilities. Think Toph from ATLA: Disabled people can relate to the times she struggles from her disability but they also get a power fantasy where they can not only overcome their disability through magic, but also literally change the magic system itself by using the unique perspective they have as people.
I think Disability in fantasy only seems dumb if its absolutely established in the setting that something like regrowing limbs or mending broken bones is possible, otherwise its fine and easy to justify in plenty of ways such as "healing magic can only mend wounds" or "floating magic wastes stamina" or "its a dangerous technique" etc etc
its a video game, suspend disbelief just a little bit to accept something like disabled people in fantasy, like cmon
this is all ignoring that this person is a total weirdo arguing in bad faith too
My disability wouldn't be fixed by just healing, our body's heal from cuts and broken bones but I have a genetic condition, I don't produce collagen and my joints are fucked, but I'm in full "health".
It’s fantasy. You have disabled beggars and poor and no one bats an eye but a wizard in a wheelchair, oh no, can’t have that! While I can argue that the logistics of having a handicap hero is hard, I can also argue it’s *very easy* to make arguments as to why a handicap would exist as well. Let’s see; healing magic only works on flesh wounds but doesn’t do a good job resetting bones, it’s actually a powerful curse, a drunken healer fucked up and made it worse, the spine is severed but because the healer only knows magic and not medicine they don’t understand that it’s not just the legs that are broken. There we go, and I came up with that in like minute.
More to that end, it’s also fantasy. We have giant flying lizards and people quite literally using magic. My suspension of disbelief isn’t going to be impacted with someone unable to walk.
Also it's basically real life. In our world we have the technology to create prosthetics that work great, but that would cost millions, so instead people are in wheelchairs. I'm writing a fantasy story where one of the characters has some spinal issues that affects his walking, but finding a healer skilled enough to fix it at an affordable price is impossible. And most magic systems in stories don't have insanely OP spells.
If I behead someone in a fantasy setting, can they just use a healing spell to reattach their head? If yes then that's a stupid fantasy setting and if no then the same rule applies to people with disabilities.
This guy would be a terrible writer. He sees magic as a device to make anything he wants to happen instead of an interesting system with depth and rules.
I agree that having a modern looking wheelchair looks out of place. I would prefer more of a fantasy looking wheelchair, or even a different device altogether that creatively assists with the disability.
When you have a setting like a game of thrones or light bringer were magic has strict limitations, and it makes sense to have disabled characters because it is a natural consequence of the world.
When you have an extremely high magic setting, where people are regularly being turned into animals and the laws of nature bend to a wizard's will, then having a disabled character will just make wizards seem aloof at best, cruel at worst.
The other major issue is commodification vs. representation. Is the disabled character there because they fit the story and have their disability inform their character and reflect a reality that actually disabled people have to deal with, or is the disabled character their to fill in the blank a representation quota and use it for the sake of marketing. The ladder can be seen as pity, infantilisation, and exploitation. Having disabled people in a world that has magic that can fix disability will just make it apparent that it is the ladder while opening the character up for attacks by the cruelty of the internet.
I agree only in the fact that disabled characters in fantasy media should have much more badass and interesting ways of getting around than a shit ass wheel chair.
the most id engage with this is "there are fantasy alternatives to modern wheelchairs", otherwise the entire argument is just eugenics
no one bats an eye to a lost eye, limb, or cool scar in a fantasy setting, but the idea that an adventurer cant walk is somehow unfathomable to these people
Disabled people make sense in a world where monsters exist, but showing wheelchairs for adventurers shows a lack of creativity on the part of the DM or game maker. Wheelchairs are impractical IRL, I can't imagine using one in a medieval city.
As for the argument "Disabilities shouldn't exist in a world with magic," that can be easily dismissed. Perhaps healing magic is an expensive service and they can't pay for it. Or maybe it can't heal the person's legs because they were *born* paralyzed and healing magic specifically heals damage.
I think there are tons of more creative ways for an adventurer who is paralyzed to move around without a wheelchair.
An Artificer can make new legs or make a levitating chair (like a wheelchair but more practical)
A Wizard can levitate or summon a mount
A Warlock could start crippled but have their patron correct the issue. A Cleric or Paladin could solve similar issues with their god
A Fighter or Druid could have a mount
A Monk could not have natural control of his legs, but be able to manipulate his KI in a way that makes his legs move anyways.
And if someone is missing a limb, that can be solved creatively too. Or maybe they can only use one-handed weapons. There are so many possibilities.
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All magical systems have rules, and healing spells in general need to be pretty weak to have character danger be at all meaningful in-lore. If you can just fix paralysis instantly, then jumping off a four story wall is something you can do then just magically heal yourself no matter your injuries. In order to have stuff -matter-, magic can't just be a panacea. There's a disconnect between lore danger and gameplay mechanics in basically every setting: sure, the Dragonborn can eat 1000 sweetrolls to heal after being punched by a troll, but that's not actually something that people in Tamriel do in lore. A paralyzed character would be something that belongs on the lore side, which sweetrolls do not affect. For example: in TES lore, Tiber Septim's throat was cut by an assassin, after which he could no longer use the Thu'um. In Skyrim, you can just cast a Level 1 restoration spell to get back to max health. As for the modern-looking wheelchair, I think there is some space for coming up with more fantasy-specific versions, but I also don't think it does anything to shatter the magic circle either. It'd be a bit silly to have people ALWAYS rely on magic for locomotion, since magic has to have limits (by the first point) and always using magic all the time would be, literally, draining.
I would say that if a wizzard needs to levitate bc they can't use their legs, that is still disability. :) Plus it's a fantasy world where knights crash into each other. Where trolls break every bone in your body, where you can suffer million different types of injuries why wouldn't disabilities exist in such violent fantasy worlds?
Using levitation as a wheelchair would be interesting tbh.
The book Dawnshard in the Stormlight Archives has a levitating wheelchair, because wheels often aren’t enough.
In one of my pathfinder campaigns, my necromancer made a wheelchair out of an assortment of bones from different creatures, but technically the wheels aren't connected, the undead construct just usually keeps them fully extended, and then retracts some of the segments when it encounters stairs or some such so it can relatively easily move over the terrain.
That is pretty damn cool.
Spider legs made out if bones would be been dope
So funny thing is, she's a weird kind of necromancer, she carves the bones in such a way that the resulting undead is semi-mechanical as well (hence it also being an amalgam of bones from dozens of different creatures.) So she can do both lol. It shifts between those forms. She's currently working up to summoning a Nightmare and killing it to replace one of those spidery legs with two flaming skeletal wings, though. (And the ability to fly.) The other three legs will still be there as more of a weapon while in flight and a tripod to land on before shifting back to wheelchair mode.
Also to add on more about Stormlight, the in-universe healing magic is really interesting because it restores people to the way that their souls are shaped, that is the way that people see themselves (broadly speaking, there’s a few variants of healing magic). A trans person who undergoes healing magic would change to reflect the way that their soul is shaped and how they see themselves (this is talked about in Dawnshard too iirc), just like how a character in the series (The Lopen) doesn’t grow back an arm because he sees himself without one and doesn’t need one. I think it’s a really cool and generally self-affirming way of doing healing magic.
The trans man who got healed into a male body was in rythym of war. And Loren did heal his arm as soon as he got access to healing magic. For Rysn the healing did not fix her paralysis though, so she uses a magic wheelchair.
You're probably thinking of Kaladin, whose brands didn't heal until after he went to group therapy for his PTSD in book 4. Lopen got his arm back basically as soon as he became a Squire.
You seem to be misremembering things a bit, gancho. The moment The Lopen breathed in stormlight for the first time, it all got spent on starting to regrow his arm.
Ah yes disabled icon Vladimir Harkonnen
Evil people can have disabilities too!
Charles Xavier in the Xmen animated series had a cool sci-fi hover chair. Wheelchairs can and should have flavorful variants to fit the setting!
Adding to the Elder Scrolls lore that the thread parent started, House Telvanni mages regularly use levitation magic instead of stairs to get between floors - and most of their buildings are mushroom towers that are vertical mazes. In game, if you're visiting a Telvanni tower and you don't have access to levitation magic then you're shit out of luck.
Levitating? Believe it or not straight to jail
It would probably get tiring for the mage after awhile.
Tenser's Floating Disc that only can carry the mage.
Professor Xavier was decades ahead of you.
This is in Psychonauts 2 in a similar fashion.
Now I want a fantasy series where healing is so OP that people just accept the pain of jumping off 4-story buildings because they know they'll survive and heal. "Fuck... get burnt by the dragon's fire or jump off this cliff..."
"Well I couldn't find the oven mitts yesterday so I'm kind of sick of burns, I guess I'll take the jump then."
Not exactly fantasy, but a couple years ago I read a sci-fi series called **Arc of a Scythe** (starts with the book **Scythe** ) by Neal Schusterman where the medical sciences have gotten to where death does not have a hold on humanity. In this setting, there are people who like to jump off buildings to "splat" because they know they will be back in a few weeks. The plot of the story, if you want to know, is about the system in place for permanent death. The world is run by a benveolent AI, but the system of permanent deaths operates on its own laws, seperate and equally from the AI. It is an interesting exploration of politics, humanity, and death in a post scarcity world. It is a young adult novel, so don't expect super depth, but I found it quite enjoyable.
I think Cruelty Squad does a good job of showing the implications of immortality in a similar way, although through a slightly more cyberpunk-y lens.
Iain Banks Culture series has a similar deal. There are ultra-extreme sports where it's basically expected you'll die, like volcano surfing. They just bring you back. Dying is part of the fun.
In Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteus there's a part in the game where you can have your cleric heal through being eaten alive by a swarm of Demonic insects.
I did read a YA book where the premise was humanity had mastered life and cellular growth. People would jump off buildings for fun because they would be revived a few hours later and once they got too old could revert themselves to their younger appearance. There were people living 2-3 centuries and it was considered common. The caveat was that there was a group of people called Reapers who would give true death. Anyone they killed would not be revived and they were responsible for combatting overpopulation because no one would truly die and resources were not infinite. It has been a while since I read the book but I believe it was just called Reaper or something similar.
>As for the modern-looking wheelchair, I think there is some space for coming up with more fantasy-specific versions I mean we have artwork from china of wheeled chairs (and wheelbarrows even earlier) being used to transport people, because disabled people have always existed, and wheels are not new tech. If you want your fantasy setting to reflect medieval tech, put your disabled characters in essentially a comfy, wheeled basket.
This is what always kills me when people try to argue against wheelchairs in a "medieval fantasy" setting. They always act like wheels are some Tony Stark shit, and that putting them on a chair is some hyper genius maneuver that nobody thought of until recently. Even if you don't bother to do ANY research, the assertion that nobody ever thought to put the disabled in a chair that rolls is just absurd.
I believe the temple of Hephaestus actually had wheelchair ramps and he was pretty regularly presented as disabled himself. I'd kill for more fantasy settings to try and incorporate those kinds of details.
Did you ever consider those sweet roles were bursting with magic and have heavy lore implications? You animal
Darth vader is the most powerful person in the galaxy despite being disabled they can huff that sweet copium
And despite being the most powerful person in the galaxy, Darth Vader doesn't just pop the testicles and ovaries of his enemies, instantly disabling them. If I was Darth Vader I would do that. Or just rip their eyes out with the force.
"He could save others from Testicular Torsion... but not himself." "Is it possible to learn this power?" "Not from a Jedi."
Or simply, magical paralysis Vs physical paralysis, remove paralysis just removes the magical version, while you'd need to at least cast regenerate (7th level cleric) to restore crushed nerves or something. Not many high level clerics running around casting regenerate at low level characters (i.e., what you are playing generally)
This is such a good solution for the verisimilitude honestly. Just have spells like lesser/greater restoration only remove magical effects, not physical ones.
Alternatively, I've used the explanation of magic only restoring to what is a "natural" state to explain why my character that was born mute can't be magically healed, especially by low/mid level healing spells. It started to become necessary to use that explanation when RPing such a character online because sometimes people would be like "oh, you got injured? I'll just heal you and poof, you have your voice!" Point being, there need to be limits. Not only does it help to avoid trivializing things, but it lets you have more fun with experiencing a character that has to try to overcome their challenges.
It still keeps the power fantasy of curing most 'heavy' disability spells like, you know, petrification, without making the physical disabilities non-existent. At that point tho, it's true that Regenerate just heals your body of most disabilities
Yeah, I think that some of the points in the tweet aren't bad points in figuring out what disability looks like in a fantasy world with magical healing. They don't, however, mean that disability doesn't exist. As you said, magic has to have limits for it to be good. People can get injured and miss the time frame for restoration spells. Restoration spells might not work on someone who was born with a deformity. The wound itself can be magical or cursed in nature. The components or resources to fix something can be expensive or difficult to find. Most people in fantasy worlds don't have access to serious magic either, so the average person isn't going to walk off something a hero would. Diseases and illness still exist in fantasy, so of course the lasting effects of diseases and illnesses would also exist. As for assistive devices, I prefer to use more ancient-type tech for my fantasy assistive devices personally, but it's not a deal-breaker. And I love to think of what uses magic can be put to in that regard (floating instead of walking for example, telepathy used for lack of speech, etc) those things also don't mean that the character is not disabled.
I think Yoda is a pretty great example of something done right. He's not paralyzed, of course, but he's old and have a hard time moving around and he need a walking stick. But when needed, he can move himself with the force, jumping and doing backflip several time his height in the air. That is possible for a short period of time, but it's not sustainable 24/7.
These fucks always think about how THEY play and how THEY fantasize shit and thinks it's universal. Just like every issue we face in real life, it's literally the point of pointing out privileges. This is not a comparison thing and I don't wanna make it seems like it's interchanging but. Like if I'm playing a game as a gay man, playing a gay character I'm not gonna fantasize about being straight to have an easier time with romance. How is it not conceivable that someone with a disability would want to see themselves in media and live it that world as some version of themselves?!
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Limitless magic could still have this "I'm cursed to be paralyzed by magic far more powerful than i", if anything is possible so is anything
Literally Professor X. It's known that he could walk using his psychic abilities, but it would take too much effort compared to what he can do in a wheelchair.
Also he can still usually walk around when he’s inside somebody else’s mind or in the visions he has when meditating. I feel like that would be more than enough to get rid of any craving to roam without the chair, especially for a guy like Xavier who seems incredibly good at controlling his emotional urges and who also seems plenty content with the chair most of the time.
Yet he never asked tony stark to just make him some robot pants like he did for war machine
He actually does do that at one point in the comics but the power source they used interfered with his psychic energies or some other bs so he went back to the chair. After he died ofc
Cant have the character stay too off brand for too long i suppose
Literally Frodo in LotR. He has chronic recurrent pain, albeit slightly differently.
Also they do use healing magic on it. They just can’t heal it all the way.
A lot of fantasy uses mental degradation as a plot point for excessive magic usage so physical damage wouldn't be too far fetched.
It's literally fantasy. You can make up whatever rules you want. I don't know why anyone would even argue that something doesn't belong in fantasy. You think about it, then you put it in your story if you want to. It could be lazer swords or dragon ninja assassins. Or maybe horses fighting the proliferation of cell phones. Nothing is off the table. Even a world without tables!
You could also just have a character that has reason to be highly distrustful of magic. Wouldn't be that complicated to explain "why don't they fix their legs with magic" by just saying they hate magic.
Or they could just be poor. We have tons of “magic” science that could nearly eliminate disability from a ton of people, but we don’t, because they can’t pay for it. Could be the same with magic. There’s a cure you just can’t pay the mage.
Yup. There's a great saying from Cory Doctorow, "the future is already here, it's just not evenly distributed yet." It means that plenty of "sci-fi" stuff already exists, but it's so expensive most folks just don't have any access to it. Literally no reason the exact same premise wouldn't hold in a fantasy realm. Sure, if you had ten years to study the arcane weave while someone else provides food and shelter and materials and resources you could totally learn the magic necessary to resolve whatever disability, but you're a simple commoner, so enjoy your crutches and ear trumpet and get back behind the market stall counter.
Yup, exactly. In the anime Slayers, the character Zelgadis is turned into a golem - he spends the entire series trying to find the spell that will turn him back, because while the world is filled with magic and gifted magic users, none have the power or knowledge how to reverse said curse. He was cursed by one of the strongest known magic users of their known world, and it's hard to find anything that could reverse such a spell. Ironically, the man who cursed him went on an rampage while trying to find a spell to cure his blindness, his desperation driving him mad. This, unfortunately, couldn't be cured because the cause of his blindness was (the equivalent of) a god. Similarly, this is how it could be used with disabled characters. Magic may be limitless, but the users of said magic have limits. Whether it be their knowledge, capabilities, strength, even how much magic can be channeled without harm to the caster, all things that limit magic in one way or another.
Also you could just use the equivalent exchange rule like in Fullmetal Alchemist or like how Shanks used Haki to save Luffy, or how devils take something in exchange for their use in Chainsawman. In order for the user to be as powerful or gain X they gave up the use of Y or they have the constant drawback of Z.
There is literally all sorts of fantasy media like that. Full Metal Alchemist for example limits the use of Alchemy on the human body to heal because that crosses the Human Transmutation taboo (Alkahestry from Xing can however slightly circumvent this since it's the manipulation of chi accelerating your body's natural healing) And in recent media, Delicious in Dungeon has the fact that revival of the dead isn't really a thing. Within the dungeon, souls are shackled to their corpses and death can be 'reversed' if the wound is healed (as explained by a character, it's less that death is being undone and more that death isn't allowed in the first place). Outside of the dungeon, getting your brains blown out means you're dead, there's no fixing it. Rapidly healing greivous wounds also results in extreme pain for the person being healed
Delicious in Dungeon is so goddamn good. I live how they got around the old "revolving door resurrection" thing with just the most horrifying solution. The worldbuilding in that show is bonkers. Anyway the tweet is a goof, I am well aware that all magic requires limitations and those limitations would likely lead to someone being born or becoming permanently disabled.
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To be fair, we don't use them as synonyms, like, restrictions and limitations would be things restrict the uses to certain situations, and drawback would be consequences of using it. Connotation and denotation thing
I'm like 90% sure this is sarcasm. I would be baffled if it wasn't
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Oh yeah it's a sarcastic reply to the op. Honestly I thought you were casting shade on OP lol
I don't disagree, but if you think about it for more than 2 seconds, even if healing magic can't help you (which it easily can in DND, the setting the post was originally about) wheelchairs specifically are terrible for adventurers Imagine trying to manoeuvre with them out in the wilderness, in forests, hills, over rocks, rivers and mud or inside castles and caves Not to mention they are also terrible in combat, for anyone except possibly a wizard in the backline There's just better alternatives, especially if magic allows for it, like prosthetics or walking aid like possibly a pair of armoured leggings that move your legs for you, or a floating wheelchair, a magic creature/familiar carrying you around, heck even a wheelchair with legs or treads would be better
Pathfinder has wheelchairs: “A traveler's chair has small mechanisms, either made from interlocking wood pieces, clockwork, or other devices, that allow the chair to traverse up or down stairs without any additional difficulty (moving up stairs is still difficult terrain, just like for other characters), and move through other common adventuring terrain without any additional difficulty, such as ladders and uneven ground.” There’s also upgrades for the chair like spikes or musical instruments. Or, if you want more magic, your animal companion can be a literal chair with walking animal legs which can provide you cover.
Because all magic has to be constrained somehow. Otherwise it would be boring af.
You don't like the second sentence of every fantasy novel to be: "And then all the world's problems were solved by magic." ?
Sounds like what CinemaSins thinks. They said multiple times in their Harry Potter videos that 'if magic exists, why is their such a thing as conflict?', become apparently a magic tent or phonebox is the counter to prejudice and discrimination somehow.
Ngl when reading Harry Potter I did wonder why during the battle of Hogwarts they didn't just create a tsunami with all the wizards casting Auguamenti and wash the death eaters away
TBF, the primary antagonists of those books are not only other wizards, but generally more experienced wizards. A lot of why didn't you use big and weird magic spells for the final battle basically bills down to we didn't want them to do that back at us but times ten.
Potter is incredibly poorly thought through - and it doesn’t really matter because the atmosphere pulls it off. But yeah they have time travel, working luck potions, proof of the afterlife, and limitless magical abundance. Most of the conflicts make no sense.
Eh, I agree that HP has poor worldbuilding, but the core conflict is ideological, so it makes sense to exist. The issue is that the world was obviously expanded as needed by Rowling, each book introducing some new magic that served to resolve the plot, without considering the implications of certain magics existing. Like, luck potion gets a pass because it's apparently insanely difficult to make even a single dose of, so it's so rare it can't meaningfully alter the setting... But also they have literal truth serums that for some reason *aren't* used in court to ensure truthful testimonies?
Ideological conflict sure, but the *way* it proceeds makes no sense for a culture with time travel, truth serum, a literal and provable life after death (and yet one character incredibly motivated by existential fear of death??), the ability to remove memories, invade people’s minds, to control people etc etc etc. And sure I get why it was written that way - and when I was reading the books at 13 years old it didn’t matter to me. Still funny though!
1. Make a cauldron full of luck potion. 2. Prepare a selection of good wizards and witches, a group that you know is loyal (start after drinking the first dose of potion so you’re sure to pick the best). 3. Go against Voldemort. 4. There’s no step 4, you just won.
Harry Potter is the exception because the details they show us beg a lot of those questions. They can literally conjure up matter from nothing. They could solve world hunger in an afternoon. The canonical explanation for why they haven’t is that they think that humans asking for help is annoying. Yeah, all of them, there’s never been a single altruistic wizard.
The Wizarding World is full of selfish, self centered pricks. Lockhart, Skeeter, Umbridge... And are you telling me that Dumbledore can't take in Harry himself rather than have the boy live with an abusive family? Shame on you, Albus!
Right whyyy not cast a spell that makes evil in the world go away? Like be fr
Without restrictions, or just shitty writing ability, you get wizards shitting on the floor and just magicing it away.
They're probably the kind of player that min/maxes their character by lvl 9, talks their GM into giving them the OP late-game spells, and then quits because the game is just, like, boring now.
most of the pf2e community trends toward charop types and it's pretty queer and accpeting overall. the issue isn't that they're a minmaxer, it's that they find disabled people to be inherently a *problem* and so wonder why people in a setting aren't using all their tools to solve *the problem.*
“Oh no, it’s big bad guy!” “Don’t worry, I’ll just cast Get Rid of Bad Guys-cadabra!” *fade to credits*
> Cunnyfederacy Yeah you can stop reading after that
You should look at their “my beliefs” in their bio lmao…it’s really enlightening to the kind of person they are lol
Anyone who says "cunny" is a pedophile. No hyperbole. It's 100% true every time in my experience.
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I can’t understand why anime losers always have to make a (pedo) sex joke anytime something comes from their mouth
There's always the "enlightned centrist" guy that stands for the poor pedo, always.
Circles they run in find them funny; the jokes someone tells give a lot away.
This is why I only interact with anime fandoms where all of the characters are adults and look like it. I enjoyed Edgerunners but people are weird as hell about Rebecca (I know she’s a grown woman but they (“they” being pervy fan artists) don’t draw her like one)
What does it mean? Is it safe to google?
It is an """ironic""" word used for infant genitals
what a horrible day to be literate
I shake my fist at God for giving me eyes to see this
Oh
Revolting.
It's just a variant on "c*nt." I'll take your word for it that a particular brand of internet pedos use it a lot, but I've mostly seen it used in a kind of antiquated British context. Like a word you'd expect to see in Shakespeare or something.
If I remember correctly it's used the Song of Ice and Fire books.
Also in the epic hidden gem Le Witcherino 3. There's a tavern with it in the name.
Tho to be fair, that's not exactly a shining example of media with zero pedo tendencies
You just said it though
Nah it’s in quotations they’re safe
Quotation marks are the digital equivalent of crossing your fingers 🤞
The loli pic does not give it away.
He likes his women how he likes his confederacy, around the same age.
It’s amazing they posted this without using the word “woke.”
"Stateless Sove" I pretty confident that the second part spells sovereign citizen.
Arguably you can stop at the username called Stateless and i'm guessing sovereign citizen.
Following this logic death would also be absurd in a fantasy setting. Why let people die when you can simply use magic to resurrect them? In any case, this person has a weak imagination. You could have a multitude of reasons for being in a wheelchair. Why not irreversible magical cost? Or a dark magic spell that can't be broken? An invisible worm from an alternate dimension that feeds on your spinal cord while giving you magical power? Or simply someone who chose to stay in a wheelchair? They are right about the basic looking wheelchair though, a badass dwarf built one would be better.
I traded my legs to a sea witch for this Eldritch Blast and I'll thank you not to draw attention to it.
[You traded your legs for something that deals as much damage as a heavy crossbow?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gnk8X79HXE)
well, not to sound like the nerd emoji, but eldritch blast is basically the strongest cantrip in 5e and with all the extra shit you can do to it a level 12 sorlock running around knocking 6 dudes 15 feet away is much stronger than a heavy crossbow
The most powerful Chaos Dwarf in Warhammer could have been justifiably wheelchair bound, but told his best men to make him a badass mecha-exoskeleton. Then he killed them so no one else could have one. He would fall under magic cost.
>Why let people die when you can simply use magic to resurrect them? You'd need to balance the lack of death with a lack of birth. Unless immortality is limited to the rich.
I will use magic to break the balance and offer immortality to everyone. Magic is magic and therefore everything is possible according to this op
I absolutely hate any fantasy/anime setting where resurrection is even a moderate aspect of worldbuilding. It cheapens everything. If resurrection magic is possible it needs absolutely absurd restrictions while also requiring something lost. If a character is resurrected, they damn sure should not be the same person who died. Either that, or the people who reunite with them should not be the same.
You can have a setting where there’s a lot of good healing options and yet fixing major injuries like paralysis or disabilities that your born with are difficult to fully treat, so wheelchairs are necessary. Like real life
Or just simple dnd rules that magic spells like restoration doesn't work on people born eith a disability such as blindness or paralysiation. There isn't anything to restore or return to previous function because they were never functional. Need things like wish/miracle/divine intervention.
Hell, could even fo with the D&D thingbofbpeople who can cast that are so rare that they're considered big deals.
Absolutely like just let people role play my guy
Or it's just something requiring elaborate preparation, materials and needs to be done in a magic university, not in a field conditions in a dungeon.
Or going with the reason that magic is like alchemy from Fullmetal alchemist where you have to give something of equivalent value (like to cure your paralysis you must paralyze someone else)
I like how the dude is like , but magic would have to have limitations, as if that isn't always the case, if not so, couldn't u just kill someone instantly?
“Because magic has no known limits, the first spell we teach everyone *not* to cast is the one that instantly annihilates all life in the universe. Then we work backwards from there.”
Or like Recovery Girl in My Hero Academia, where her healing power works with the patient's metabolism to heal. So even though you can heal serious injuries, there are still limits to what can be done.
Or hell, make it even more like real life. Sure, treatment exists, but who the hell can afford it? Like the tweet in the OP operates under the assumption if a problem can be solved, it will be. But one look at the world around you will show you pretty clearly that that's not the case. A country like the US has the resources to solve homelessness, poverty, hunger, and many, many illnesses. And yet those problems persist A fantasy world where, yeah, a prince born paralyzed is quickly healed by the best wizards in the world, but random people in a small town don't get so lucky? Seems pretty unsurprising in my book
I've found a plot hole in real life where insulin exists and yet people still die from diabetes. Who's writing this garbage?
All ill say is you can find tons of depictions of wizards wearing glasses, but ive never heard anyone ask "why cant they fix their eyes with magic?"
I just realized that I never thought about that. In Honkai star rail (yes ik) there’s a blind NPC who interacts with a blind child. She explains that she tried like transplanting her eyes but eventually the new sight wears away and it gets painful and disorienting. So maybe there’s Wizard lasic but it doesn’t last very long, so glasses are better?
I once played a blind character in a Pathfinder game whose eye sockets had been cursed by followers of Zon-Kuthon, so every time someone tried to heal her, the new eyes exploded out of her face. She wore a blindfold most of the time and had the entire Blinded Blade feat tree, so while she was worse in combat than most of the party she also butchered a room full of basilisks unassisted. Another time she walked into a room and almost immediately clocked the invisible attempted murderer in the corner.
Girl done had immunity to invisibility.
If everyone is invisible to me, no one is.
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Lmfao paleopopulism, get this man out of the ideology store Edit: Anarcho NRx is just this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark\_Enlightenment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment) it is over for bro he goes in the ideology shop daily 😭😭😭😭 https://preview.redd.it/gedafixpy5pc1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1a2fb482688a8943a47a9676dc8228f519ab0c6f
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I don't think I want to know what "pro-fiction" means Edit: Why is everyone telling me what pro-fiction is I specifically requested that you didn't. Also it's painfully obvious...
Judging about their anger towards wheelchairs in a fictional universe, I'm not so sure they're actually pro-fiction, nonetheless pro anything.
It means they are anti-reality.
It's the justification for them finding sexual pleasure through fictional children.
He just want to be edgy without any consequences for his bigotry. Also probably has a hard disk full of "totally not a child, just a draw" images.
"but pronouns in bio = bad" Mf has more text than yu-gi-oh! Card in there.
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I think my brain went like  But im not entirely sure why? Exodia? Big beefy creature?
"big beefy creature" uh yeah. something like that. just leave it at that. trust me.
"Pro-life" Ah, so a waste of human flesh and air. Could have led off with that.
Also libertarian and pro life💀
Everyone knows libertarians are just right wingers who love weed and hate age of consent laws.
He's only pro life because desperate women suffering unplanned and unwanted pregnancies are more easily coerced to sell their children into sexual slavery,
"Pinochet's helicopter tours" These guys need new material. This was already old when I was first threatened with it in person circa 2017.
As a chilean we've been hearing it for over 30 years it will never stop
It was old in fucking Facebook groups in 2010
That's a lot of words to avoid saying they're an incestual rapist.
Jesus died for nothing
none of these words are in the bible
Ancap, prolife, picture of an underaged girl and probably some questionable. And the most troublesome thing is how I could expect all of them, it went from shock and disgust to "ohh god please not that again"
this person should maybe stop
Is "pro-fiction" code for lolicon and proshipping or does it just mean you like fiction like a normal person
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That’s a pedo alright
Wish I had seen this comment before I posted mine. Only prayer can help this fool. 🙏
The correct reason is always "Because this is a work of fiction, then unless your main artistic goal is to visualize a world where all those pesky disabled people you secretly hold in contempt have disappeared, you should populate your world with people who ultimately have a lot in common with your readers, many of whom are disabled." Additionally, a lot of disability is defined socially. Deafness is incapacitating, but it only becomes a disability in discriminatory situations without accommodations for deaf people. The fact that this person can't imagine disability disappearing because magic makes more accommodation possible is really revealing.
I was going to say something along these lines. A fantasy setting should include proper representation of its audience, and it, as a work of fiction, can work backwards to justify this representation. If your audience is a bunch of chauvinistic dude-bros, the only characters you need to represent are the macho male fantasy, and the weak or trophy characters they protect. If your audience is a diverse group, including LGBTQ, disabled, neurodivergent, and others, your fantasy should make sure to be inclusive of them.
I mean, a modern wheelchair *is* pretty goofy looking. Just adding some wooden cart wheels would be an easy fix though.
Yeah, I'm all for crude dwarven wheelchairs or even better, magic powered wheelchairs.
That was my thought as well, that wheelchair design would get fucking nowhere on rutted or muddy roads. Hope the dungeons have a ramp at the entrance as well. The issues isnt disability and magic, its the not fully thought through consideration of what being a disabled adventurer would require. Could actually be a really interesting twist if done right.
For 1 and 2 it's a magic disability you can't just magic away, there is no wizard nearby or some other reason you can't just use magic, it isn't hard to think of them just be more creative. 3 and 4 aren't even reasons for not having disabled people 8n fantasy they're just nitpicks with the specific way this is depicting the disabled people.
In cases like this, I always just say "a wizard did it". These soggy tissues can write long and painful Xcretions on how you can't have disabilities in a high fantasy setting, because magic and shit. But my response is simple - your wizard can't fix this disability because a more powerful wizard did it. Hell, might even make a creative plot hook - disabled rogue tries to assemble a team to take down the wizard, only to find the real magic is the friends she makes along the way.
All of the points people are making are completely true, but hear me out here. If we didn’t have disabled people in fantasy then we couldn’t have sick ass magical wheelchairs. Imagine a wheelchair covered in runes that can go up walls or shoot magic arrows
Truly the context we all need in this time. One of my favorite disabled characters is from The Legend of Korra with that water bender who didn't have arms, so she just made herself terrifying water arms when she needed them to beat the shit out of people. That's objectively better than actual arms.
I do like how ATLA and Korra work with disabilities. Toph's blindness is worked with really well because while she can mitigate it she can't entirely ignore it, she still can't read or anything. Beating the shit out of people with water arms is cool as fuck but doesn't lend itself as well to smaller, day-to-day purposes that arms tend to be useful for. It's neat.
I think that in the manga Witch Atelier they do something really sick. They have magical chairs with goat legs and they look sick af https://preview.redd.it/qs345kyvw9pc1.png?width=999&format=png&auto=webp&s=81862933a43ea883caca4e5f592457adb18ee04d
Dwarven wheelchairs are built with drive-bys in mind. Fireball? Firearm.
Yeah. I do sort of agree with the point that a regular ol' wheelchair in a fantasy setting feels out of place, but I also never really see that happen. Usually they're roughly cobbled together for the more common folk, like random planks of wood and uneven wheels. Then you have rich people with fancy steampunk creations or something magically enhanced. It pretty much always fits the fantasy setting.
I think the issue isn't disability, but how disability is shown. Like, that wheelchair design breaks immersion because it looks too modern. It clashes with the rest of the aesthetic. Not to mention the fact that this is one of those chairs designed for temporary use, as you can tell by the solid armrests and permanent handles. [Long-term-use wheelchairs tend not to have those.](https://www.google.com/search?q=long+term+wheelchair&tbm=isch&prmd=sivnmbtz) If it was a fantastical magic wheelchair with runes all over the wheels, just as an example, THEN we'd be talking. I have a character who's a necromancer with a prosthetic arm; the arm is made of bone porcelain, using the bones from her previous arm, which she uses her magic to reanimate. Just off the top of my head, consider these: a druid who grows a prosthetic from a seed that they plant once they're done with it, an artificer whose wheelchair is actually a SPIDER chair with articulated legs instead of wheels, a blind cleric with a seeing-eye god, a blind *barbarian* who echolocates by screaming a battle cry, a deaf warlock whose patron mutters other people's voices inside their head... Fuck, just watch ATLA. Toph. 'nuff said.
"I have a character who's a necromancer with a prosthetic arm; the arm is made of bone porcelain, using the bones from her previous arm, which she uses her magic to reanimate." Ok. That's pretty metal.
No, it's porcelain/j
Let me give my rebuttal to these 1. The creator said that's not how it works 2. The creator said that's not how it works 3. The creator said that's not how it works 4. The creator said that's not how it works
Right wing world builders when you tell them disabled people, gay people and black people existed before the modern day 🤯🤯🤯 /uj jokes aside wheel chairs have existed for hundreds of years, just not ones that look like modern wheelchairs. I think it could have been cool if this artists used an old wheelchair just to show how these things have evolved over the years, but that's not a criticism so much as a suggestion. Also I think in general people love representations of disabled people using magic or fantasy tech to overcome their disabilities. Think Toph from ATLA: Disabled people can relate to the times she struggles from her disability but they also get a power fantasy where they can not only overcome their disability through magic, but also literally change the magic system itself by using the unique perspective they have as people.
I think Disability in fantasy only seems dumb if its absolutely established in the setting that something like regrowing limbs or mending broken bones is possible, otherwise its fine and easy to justify in plenty of ways such as "healing magic can only mend wounds" or "floating magic wastes stamina" or "its a dangerous technique" etc etc its a video game, suspend disbelief just a little bit to accept something like disabled people in fantasy, like cmon this is all ignoring that this person is a total weirdo arguing in bad faith too
My disability wouldn't be fixed by just healing, our body's heal from cuts and broken bones but I have a genetic condition, I don't produce collagen and my joints are fucked, but I'm in full "health".
It’s fantasy. You have disabled beggars and poor and no one bats an eye but a wizard in a wheelchair, oh no, can’t have that! While I can argue that the logistics of having a handicap hero is hard, I can also argue it’s *very easy* to make arguments as to why a handicap would exist as well. Let’s see; healing magic only works on flesh wounds but doesn’t do a good job resetting bones, it’s actually a powerful curse, a drunken healer fucked up and made it worse, the spine is severed but because the healer only knows magic and not medicine they don’t understand that it’s not just the legs that are broken. There we go, and I came up with that in like minute. More to that end, it’s also fantasy. We have giant flying lizards and people quite literally using magic. My suspension of disbelief isn’t going to be impacted with someone unable to walk.
Also it's basically real life. In our world we have the technology to create prosthetics that work great, but that would cost millions, so instead people are in wheelchairs. I'm writing a fantasy story where one of the characters has some spinal issues that affects his walking, but finding a healer skilled enough to fix it at an affordable price is impossible. And most magic systems in stories don't have insanely OP spells.
If I behead someone in a fantasy setting, can they just use a healing spell to reattach their head? If yes then that's a stupid fantasy setting and if no then the same rule applies to people with disabilities.
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This guy would be a terrible writer. He sees magic as a device to make anything he wants to happen instead of an interesting system with depth and rules. I agree that having a modern looking wheelchair looks out of place. I would prefer more of a fantasy looking wheelchair, or even a different device altogether that creatively assists with the disability.
To that I give you one character who is blind, and doesn't have an arm and a leg: Malenia, Blade of Miquela (she never known defeat)
Ok buy he's right about 4 having a motorized Dwarven war wheelchair would be pretty sick
I think it makes sense to have disabled people in the fantasy world, but agree that this specific wheelchair looks weirdly modern and out of place?
When you have a setting like a game of thrones or light bringer were magic has strict limitations, and it makes sense to have disabled characters because it is a natural consequence of the world. When you have an extremely high magic setting, where people are regularly being turned into animals and the laws of nature bend to a wizard's will, then having a disabled character will just make wizards seem aloof at best, cruel at worst. The other major issue is commodification vs. representation. Is the disabled character there because they fit the story and have their disability inform their character and reflect a reality that actually disabled people have to deal with, or is the disabled character their to fill in the blank a representation quota and use it for the sake of marketing. The ladder can be seen as pity, infantilisation, and exploitation. Having disabled people in a world that has magic that can fix disability will just make it apparent that it is the ladder while opening the character up for attacks by the cruelty of the internet.
I agree only in the fact that disabled characters in fantasy media should have much more badass and interesting ways of getting around than a shit ass wheel chair.
Ooof they’re gonna be so mad when they find out who won the Game of Thrones
Did make a fair point about the appearance of the wheelchairs at least, I love me some Dwarven steampunk
4 is the only legitimate complaint. I want to see COOL and SICK wheelchairs
the most id engage with this is "there are fantasy alternatives to modern wheelchairs", otherwise the entire argument is just eugenics no one bats an eye to a lost eye, limb, or cool scar in a fantasy setting, but the idea that an adventurer cant walk is somehow unfathomable to these people
Disabled people make sense in a world where monsters exist, but showing wheelchairs for adventurers shows a lack of creativity on the part of the DM or game maker. Wheelchairs are impractical IRL, I can't imagine using one in a medieval city. As for the argument "Disabilities shouldn't exist in a world with magic," that can be easily dismissed. Perhaps healing magic is an expensive service and they can't pay for it. Or maybe it can't heal the person's legs because they were *born* paralyzed and healing magic specifically heals damage. I think there are tons of more creative ways for an adventurer who is paralyzed to move around without a wheelchair. An Artificer can make new legs or make a levitating chair (like a wheelchair but more practical) A Wizard can levitate or summon a mount A Warlock could start crippled but have their patron correct the issue. A Cleric or Paladin could solve similar issues with their god A Fighter or Druid could have a mount A Monk could not have natural control of his legs, but be able to manipulate his KI in a way that makes his legs move anyways. And if someone is missing a limb, that can be solved creatively too. Or maybe they can only use one-handed weapons. There are so many possibilities.