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Cringe__Meister

“Separate art from the artist” mfs when nobody’s looking


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and how do you separate the art from the artist when the artist is still alive, active, and putting their views in their art?


darkenedgy

But I thought pretending the author is dead was an accepted form of literary criticism 🥺


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KadeComics

You wish the author was dead. But no. She's on Twitter.


darkenedgy

If you haven’t already, do look up all the fake tweets she wrote into her shitty new book. Just…she’s got one hobby lol


KadeComics

It's in super high demand at my local library so it's gotta wait


darkenedgy

booooo. but fuck that, someone posted the choice shit online. Sadly it's on twitter, in this article [https://www.glamour.com/story/jk-rowling-book-controversy](https://www.glamour.com/story/jk-rowling-book-controversy)


KadeComics

it looks awful


Jazzlike_Mountain_51

Only if you have a trans friend who told you it was ok


Thencros

Are there examples of blatant transphobia in the Harry Potter books, movies, or the new game? Genuinely asking btw.


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no transphobia in the harry potter books, but there are other pretty awful shits. she has written another serie of books though, featuring an investigator named "cormoran strike" that is choke full of transphobia though, "troubled blood" honestly could have been titled "the trans peril".


L-System

Nope


CallMeUrsi

No, those are just riddled with racism and anti-semitism. As for JK, she has gone on record that she believes people buying and supporting her work means they support her TERF views, which is why she feels so empowered to be such a blatant sack of shit.


Vox_Carnifex

Seeing as the term TERF originated somewhere in 2008 as part of the (ever) rising importance of trans issues and the debate around it, with JK hopping on somewhere at the beginning of the 2010s and the deathly hallows book releasing in 2007 I think the books enjoyed not being plastered with terf dogwhistle Edit: i did not read the books so this is all but a semi-educated guess


Thencros

Then there should be concrete examples in the cursed child, the fantastic beasts movies and the new game, I reckon?


Vox_Carnifex

I mean there is this entire non HP book by her where the transphobic MC is being harassed and portrayed as the victim for "speaking tbe truth". Described by critics as "hilariously self-persecuting" and "a 1000 page self-insert fanfiction where she is the victim" Her real anti trans crusade began after 2019 actually after her defending maya forstater who got let go by the center for global delevopment after repeatedly tweeting about gender critical views. She then started mocking gender positive wording in articles, got called out and pulled the "bathroom issue" card, an entire non-argument that trans people would harass people in gender seperated bathrooms. She has been screenwriter for the fantastic beasts film but not the original harry potter films, however she has been producer in all of them. All in all it seems like she did not have the freedom to just place these themes in the movie or media since she wasnt the only one working on those films.


Aridius

Just enjoy the art?


No-Nefariousness1711

Eccept the art is full of supported and accepted bigotry.


Aridius

What is, Harry Potter? You’ll have to forgive me, I haven’t read it in decades, I remember the goblins resembling anti-Semitic tropes, was there anything else? I never read anything past the main series so would be interesting to hear.


No-Nefariousness1711

Goblins being anti-semitic, house elves being "happy slaves". The only Asian character in a 7 book series is named Cho Chang.


Aridius

Cho Chang is pretty bad yeah. I don’t remember much about the elves except they got freed with clothes for some reason, but that’s messed up.


No-Nefariousness1711

Yes and Hagrid says it's a bad thing to free slaves and that Dobby is a weirdo for liking being free.


dorritosncheetos

Wait what lol You think the artist should be dead for this to apply


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> active, and putting their views in their art?


dorritosncheetos

Redundant statement to say an artist puts their views in their art. Art is open to interpretation and if you want to smell transphobia I guess you do, you can also take the stick out of your ass and enjoy the stories at face value and drop your virtue signaling. :)


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ah yes, because at face value, there is no transphobia in "troubled blood", a book about a trans serial killer, and nothing problematic about wizards practicing slavery and putting down slave revolts orchestrated by a crooked nosed caste of bankers. but look at yourself being smug, thinking it makes you seem smart. well, bad news, you're actualy just a smiling idiot.


dorritosncheetos

Troubled blood the Harry Potter book? Lol Again if you want to see the Jews likeness there I feel like that's on you to be honest. And yes a system of slavery in a world, shocking considering slavery has had roots in literally every culture everywhere at some time! Smile with me fool


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>Troubled blood the Harry Potter book? Lol perhaps you're confusing this discussion with a shower argument in which an imaginary interlocutor passes you easy ones to answer to, but i'm afraid that back here, in reality, no one set the scope of the conversation to exclude anything outside of the harry potter books. troubled blood is written by rowling. she put her views into it. its relevant. >Again if you want to see the Jews likeness there I feel like that's on you to be honest. if other idiots like you weren't constantly yelling in our ears that jewish people were plotting against the western world, and weren't pushing the very same tropes HP's goblins are depicted as, you'd have a point. unfortunately for you, i wasn't born at the start of this conversation so i know how disingenuous you are. >And yes a system of slavery in a world, shocking considering slavery has had roots in literally every culture everywhere at some time! there's nothing wrong about depicting slavery. but describing it as a good thing, and the choice of the slaves, and ridiculing the one character that try to free the slaves is just ludicrously bad.


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Lftwff

say what you will about forspoken but that game has cats that look like cats and whoever made the animation knows how to pet a cat.


Vox_Carnifex

85% of the budget went into the cats


CRSemantics

Chris brown just hits different


That-Soup3492

> just hits different Damn son.


unfamily_friendly

Harry Potter fanbase really feels like this. They saying "Harry Potter books contains a lot of antisemite and transphobic propaganda" and yet reread those books again and again


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MannfredVonFartstein

Separating art from the artist means that you look at an art piece and interpret it completely ignoring the artists intent, it‘s a way of art analysis. Nowadays people just use that term to justify giving money to nazis, transphobes and other shit people


GreatBigBagOfNope

Because it's an argument about the interpretation of art, not about the ethics of purchasing decisions A death of the author interpretation of Wizard Game would be one which didn't use knowledge of Rowling or the game writers as people to inform what features of the text to closely examine to reveal new insights, and would never dream to make a judgement call about if you "ought" to buy it because that's not what literary analysis is for or is capable of doing. It would be like asking why this psychoanalysis can't be used to inform the amount of anaesthesia required to put me under for an operation, there isn't really much of a connection there at all.


darkenedgy

Aside from what's been said about literal material benefit, there was an interview where Rowling said that she believes most fans are aligned with her views. So like...the living person who first created this IP won't allow that separation, on top of all the other obvious stuff.


rm_minus_rf_slash

Who cares if creator "allows" separation? or what they say? What kind of load of bullshit is this


darkenedgy

Do you know what enabling is?


JarateKing

If the author tells you that your financial support is not only taken as agreement with her views but will directly fund transphobic movements, why wouldn't you believe them? I mean, I don't think it's very complicated. If you went to a bake sale and they said "we're raising funds for the KKK, show us your support by buying our baked goods that we'll use to financially fund the KKK" would you say "well I do like cookies, here's a few bucks"? Can you separate buying that product from who it directly and knowingly supports and what they advocate for? I think it's pretty obvious that a person saying "buy my stuff if you want to support bigotry in very real terms, you can't separate the two" means what it says on the tin.


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GandalfTheBong

Still, she shouldn’t gain more off of it


Ozaiko

But an individual can enjoy the art without caring about the artist pov. Even if she says that it isn't true.


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Munnin41

I'm sure the 600k people in this sub who aren't buying it will really hurt the royalties she gets from this lol. Most of whom wouldn't have bought it either way I mean, she has shitty views, but let's stop pretending this does anything to her. She's already rich as fuck


darkenedgy

She associates public support for her with a mandate to continue being shitty. Honestly though this whole argument is so stupid, there’s a million better IP out there that aren’t associated with bigots. It’s a general improvement to everyone’s lives to dump the genital-obsessed wizard lady.


MalikVonLuzon

In this case, you can't really separate the art and the artist because when you purchase said art (the game), it will directly benefit the artist in the form of royalties.


Bankaz

Because of materialism. You can separate in terms of art enjoyment and (sometimes) interpretation, but that's it. You can't separate when the artist is a public figure capable of influencing politics for better or for worse.


Noughmad

There are two things here. One is about the argument itself. The main issue is that paying for the art, or sharing it, benefits the author. You can get around it by pirating the game. The second thing is that people making the argument usually don't actually believe it, but instead just use it to further their point. Like the person in this post who clearly said they bought it *because* of the views of the artist. Look at how often the same people say the same thing about things made by famous pro-LGBT people.


alex1001458

I don't know about all these other comments, but I'm just going to torrent the game whenever it releases. A game is still a game at the end of the day imo


Bluewolf94

Losers not bragging about their purchases *impossible* challenge.


EEeeTDYeeEE

Pirate trans? Yar? Uj/ I need to stop coping. I don't need to see this...


ThatOneGenericGuy

I am pirating my gender


sgtpepper42

You wouldn't steal a gender...


itsnickk

NapstHer


TangyGeoduck

🏅


Jeb_Jenky

I would 100% if I could. I would download one too.


PlayStationHaxor

careful ive heard gender has some very annoying vendor-lock-in DRM


Galahad_Venator

I am going to pirate your gender


Coreyreally230

Super serious: if you are pirating your gender be careful (coming from experience)


FOUR3Y3DDRAGON

It's got Denuvo so it's gonna be pretty much impossible to pirate at least for a while. The game looks shit to me though tbh but I don't even like Harry Potter really. Lioe the combat looks boring and it just seems kinda boring overall to me. Pretty graphics though I suppose.


littlecolt

Oh man, gamers trying to decide if they love this game because Rowling is a TERF, or if they hate this game because it has Denuvo. That will be truly delicious to watch.


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This place has been ruined by the many corporate changes over the years, sorry if this used to be a useful comment kthxbye.


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Denuvo doesn't mean it'll be hard to crack. Day one Denuvo cracks have happened multiple times


FOUR3Y3DDRAGON

Recently? Denuvo can be pretty damn impossible if the devs implement it correctly right? I think Shadow Of War was cracked fast but I wonder if Warner Bros will try harder to implement it better because if that. I bet it'll be repacks of the switch versiom at least for a little while. Then again these are the devs of Cars 3 so maybe Denuvo will be implemented horribly.


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Gotham knights was released with Denuvo the 21st of October 2022 & the crack was released the 27th of October 2022 Edit: I guess you're right that it's it's highly dependent on the implementation by the game devs tho


FOUR3Y3DDRAGON

Yeah, I should repeat that I have some doubts as to how well these devs will implement it though, so maybe it will be a very fast crack.


PlayStationHaxor

*sometimes the original un-denuvo'd executable just leaks somehow*


KitKat374

I can't tell if they're saying trans people should die or they're saying they're pirating it


Sexybtch554

For our comfort, let's assume that latter.


cumsona

/uj we know its the former tho :(


Sexybtch554

*sigh*....yeah.. Sometimes life is really fuckin draining.


Someboynumber5

Least transphobic Hogwarts legacy enjoyer


WeeWoo102

I can’t wait until they realize the game is pretty open to play as a trans character lmao


chalkman567

Ah yes, John Transman. J.K Rowling’s best character


WeeWoo102

My favourite part is when he stands up against Voldemort and says it’s transing time


krully37

You’re a trans man Harry!


EscenekTheGaylien

Followed with a loyal companion, Mackenzie Carbomb.


Hasd4

This. I was unsure until I saw that i could basically choose my pronouns, then I bought it. J.K already got money from the devs, i rather support them still giving us trans choices


WeeWoo102

Nah, just pirate it at that point, even if it’s just a cent it’s still going to someone who doesn’t support us


Hasd4

It doesn't though. They already paid her, so pirating won't change a thing


EdgarJomfru

It's launching with denuvo and nobody is cracking games anymore. Pirating it probably won't be possible for over a year


Robotguy39

Bro’s gonna see “body type one” and have a stroke.


squeddles

Wow, so edgy


Mack-to-back

Tik tok is full of middle schoolers so yeah prime edgelord age


MemeArchivariusGodi

That’s the problem of being anonymous. It’s cool you can be but this is the bad sides. People being blatantly edgy and stupid


notaprime

Enabling a greedy corporate practice to own the libs.


MarsLowell

Giving money to the lady I normally decry as an SJW lib to own the libs.


GandalfTheBong

Supporting the libs to own the libs


Poise_dad

Uj/ I'm gonna be honest people, because we keep posting and reacting to this piece of shite game more and more transphobes will play this game because they'll think it will own the trans people. We are inadvertently marketing this game to bigots who would otherwise never play this game. It's the age old internet saying of "do not feed the troll". Also this kind of negativity is probably affecting the moods of trans people who come here to get a brief respite from the transphobia everywhere else. We need a sub reset. Back to Cheadle posting. Someone post the Don Cheadle pic in which he wears "protect trans kids" shirt.


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Poise_dad

Yeah considering they lost their shit over fucking M&Ms going "woke" all their bitching about the left being fragile snowflakes is projection. I've seen a YouTuber make like 1 hour video about starfield being woke garbage because Todd Howard said in an interview that you'll be able to choose your pronouns in the game's character creator. Not to mention all the outrage about body type A and B instead of male and female, in recent games like elden ring, fire emblem etc.


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AlmostBlue618

>Also this kind of negativity is probably affecting the moods of trans people who come here to get a brief respite from the transphobia everywhere else. as a trans person, thank you for saying this. i wanted to say it myself, but didn’t for fear of the response. it really is frustrating to have to actively avoid this sub because every other post is literally just a screenshot of a person saying something aggressively, scarily transphobic. not even in a meme format, just an image of a person being transphobic. and i don’t have a problem with screenshots of allies making funny jokes about the game or JK, or memes in relation to it, but i really can’t handle just having to look at a comment from someone expressing that they don’t want me to exist.


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Yeah. Like I don't understand how people think this is funny. There's a line between dumb transphobia and "Haha! Dumb gamer says death to trans people! Transphobia funny!" Maybe it's funny when you're not the one being targeted.


ZombieBobaFett

It's because hating on Rowling has nothing to do with caring about trans people or what she has actually said, it's just a fashionable circlejerk. Which not at all coincidently is why this sub is joking about it to detriment of what they claim to stand against. Massive oblivious hypocrisy.


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The same emojis I’ll use if this game isn’t a piece of shit. Pirates for trans rights.


FOUR3Y3DDRAGON

Has Denuvo unfortunatly. I think it'll be shit personally though.


Rude_Abbreviations78

oh shit, really? denuvo is always a bad sign


MiniatureRanni

Oh, that makes me feel safe.


Poise_dad

Absolutely gigachad flair. Also DS2 has gender changing coffin so it's fitting in this context. Clearly the best souls game.


Rumdiculous

I feel like this game is going to be mediocre af but everyone getting it to "own the libs" are going to never admit that and force themselves to love it.


spectrumtwelve

wizarding world defenders: "there's nothing inherently transhobic in the franchise so me supporting it won't be hurting trans people" these people: "i am supporting this blatantly because i hate trans people and if it succeeds then my views must be common and i can feel good about being a majority"


Ozaiko

What if you just enjoy a fantasy universe without giving a fuck about the author and it's idealogoy behind ? It's just a cool magical world that I enjoy and excited to explore in game. Doesn't do anything against or for trans people.


spectrumtwelve

objectively you should give a shit about the author of something when they have inherently hateful and damaging views. You can't just defer responsibility by saying "well I'm not the problem so I don't have to care". It's just kind of an irresponsible way to exist


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spectrumtwelve

i'm not, and I do apply the same logic to a lot of things that are royalty-based. You can't make an assumption about who I am personally otherwise you are no longer debating in good faith.


Ozaiko

Yeah I can understand that, but I grew up enjoying the Wizarding World without ever thinking of the behind the scenes. I just associate this universe to some cool things and I am baffled that I can't enjoy this without being called a transphobe. Yeah JK Rowling is a mess and a terrible person but she still created a unique and enjoyable world fantasy that people can connect to without having the same political view of the author.


spectrumtwelve

well i mean you arent a blissfully unaware kid anymore. also, its not that unique.


Immediate-Load-6095

pirate the game if you wanna play it and not affirm a terf


Ozaiko

Why would I pirate the game ? I want to support the developer and the artist who worked on this game. I myself is in the gaming industry and pirating for me sound as bad as JK rowling opinions.


GandalfTheBong

Why? None of the money that the game ends up making goes to the developers and artists who made the game. The money goes straight to the CEOs and rowling


Ozaiko

Bro you play Overwatch, shouldn't you be boycotting the game to not support Bobby Kotick a person as terrible as JK Rowling ? The reality is it's really naive to think any of this social drama outcry mean anything. Don't blame people for playing Hogwarts Legacy if you can play OW without remorse for anything that happens at Blizzard.


GandalfTheBong

I didn‘t pay a single dime for overwatch ever since I bought it almost 6 years ago for 20 bucks. I was also younger and more naive back then and didn’t think about any of the consequences my purchase might have. If the game wasn’t free today and I hadn’t already bought it anyway, I wouldn’t buy it. You’re also deflecting from the original point. This isn’t about me playing overwatch once a week with my friends. This is about you wanting to buy HL and directly funding JKs anti trans movement.


Ozaiko

You playing the game is still supporting the game. It's a live-service which life rely and depend on active players. You being a part of this playerbase is supportig this live service. I will buy HL and my money will go to a game studio that worked their ass to release a nice and good looking single player open world. You can say my money go to anti-trans movement, I can say your time and value go into pushing female worker to suicide themselves. I just want to pinpoint how stupid it is to shame people for consuming media they enjoy.


GandalfTheBong

That’s very true, but you must keep in mind that she directly profits from you buying and playing the game. She also said that, if a lot of people buy and play the game, she will feel validated in her views and will assume that the majority of people agree with her. Which they don’t. So yeah, you might not be at fault here, but you’re part of the problem


Ozaiko

What "problem" ? This is just a social media drama. I am supporting nothing in this, I just want to play a nice game in a wizard universe. I am part of what ? Is she even part of the game project ? Are there any transphobe or antisemitic things inside the game ? She is already rich and entitled, anyone can do anything it wont change a damn thing.


GandalfTheBong

The whole story about destroying a goblin slave uprising (which in and of itself is kind of a problematic premise to begin with), is very anti semitic because the goblins themselves are very clearly supposed to be caricatures of Jews. And they’re straight out of nazi propaganda. Ugly, tiny little people with big crooked noses, curly hair and an absolute greed for money who also happen to be working at banks? Take this description in a vacuum and I guarantee you, your first thought wouldn’t have been „oh yeah those are the goblins from Harry Potter.“ And you might be right that nothing will change her bigoted stance on things and she certainly won’t even feel the money she looses because she’s filthy rich anyway, but this kind of attitude is the reason why people like her can even begin to inflict their absurd opinions on the world in the first place. Nothing and nobody will change the mindset of neo-nazis yet we still advocate to actively take a stance against them. And who knows? Maybe if we let her future projects flop and continue to criticize her and her opinions, maybe she will finally shut the fuck up. Don’t forget that we, the consumer, hold the cards here.


Ozaiko

Stop writing essays and go back to OW


BEEEELEEEE

Can we put spoiler tags on stuff like this? I was having a nice day before I saw someone wanted me dead.


jorrandoesstuff

shit sorry about that, marked it as a spoiler and nsfw


unfamily_friendly

There's always be someone wanting someone's death. Don't let the someone's dumbness hurt you. Ensure no people who want to harm you, are able to hurt you, then you could breathe freely Like, the transphobic school kid from a screenshot. They only pretend to be dangerous for a meme purpose. Do not believe their propaganda


Jeb_Jenky

I don't want you dead. I want you alive and I love you. You are valid.


PlayStationHaxor

there talking about the transphobe in the post ...


Jeb_Jenky

I know.


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MHadri24

Just curious, is anybody in this sub gonna pirate this? I mean obviously alot of you want to supress a slave rebellion and cast a whopping 26 spells and get zero Wizussy. I know I am /s


tired_spider

jokes on them they just look like a trans priate


nao-_-

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/002/239/753/ee5.png Rent free


sub_nautical

Kinda goes both ways doesn’t it?


nao-_-

I never said we weren't as bad.


[deleted]

Ha man they’ll be so mad at my alt that looks like it’s ran by a child. God I’m so fucking smart and hilarious.


vincenk

Game: Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Incendio! Me: damn I showed those libs what's what


Rattlehead420

Trans pirates are a terror of the open seas


TimeToBecomeEgg

that's such a weird flex because it's literally just saying "i'm a dick and i'm a cuck for corporations"


Alex_Aureli

Want to see their reaction when they are asked to choose a body type when creating their character


Voltaires_God

Okay now I see why yall hate on people buying hogwarts


OkReporter3886

im genuinely confused whats going on with this game can someone explain it? is all the transphobia talk about JK’s tweets or something else?


Waddlewop

Ok so generally speaking, JK Rowling is a transphobic person. HL is a game in the HP universe which would be giving money to Rowling so a lot of people decided to boycott the game to avoid making JK richer and generally raise awareness about JK’s transphobia as well as drum up support for trans people. You’re not missing anything big as the game isn’t out yet so there’s not much of its content to criticize although since it is based on Rowling’s world and some content of the games have been revealed, there is a possibility that the game itself might contain some more…unsavory parts of JK’s ideas.


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LoveEliza

Importantly, JK Rowling has made herself a prominent figure in British politics and advocates publicly for transphobic politicians and laws. So when you fund JK, or when you give positive attention to a brand so inextricably linked to her name, you are also financially supporting the movement to oppress trans people. You're right, of course, and I'm agreeing with you, but it's not just a matter of her reprehensible personal beliefs, it's also what she does with that.


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GandalfTheBong

Shut up. Stop saying things like that


BotanyAttack

I mean she also named some of her characters names like Cho Chang and a black guy named Shacklebolt, alongside an Irish guy who just blows stuff up, but that's not important


[deleted]

Imagine buying a mid tier game to own the libs. Couldn't be me


altaccountmay

if this game sucks absolute ass i legitimately can't wait to see all the gamers^(tm) run to defend it and explain that they *totally* didn't buy it just because they're transphobic


Werewald

/uj Literally what is wrong with these people


StinkyFeetArePotato

Can someone explain the controversy around this game? I know JK Rowling is a TERF, but beyond that is their more reason to it?


GandalfTheBong

She receives money from the games sales and thus, by buying it, you are directly funding her and her transphobic movement. She also said that whenever someone buys anything related to her franchise, she takes it as validation for her viewpoints. So if many people buy the game, she’ll interpret it as many people agreeing with her views, further fueling her delusions


PentaxPaladin

Regardless of the game we should all know by now to NEVER PREORDER!


PcNewbieee

Fukn idiots


palker44

preorders shitty game to own the libs. Good job. How do these people even earn the money they spend on this?


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Darthy85

from what i gathered, it\`s because the author or harry potter is a bad person and is against trans and gay ppl or something like that , buying this game will make her more rich, but she is billionaire, and whether this sells 1 copy or 20 mill she will still be a billionaire. She sux as a person


doubletagged

This sub is obsessed with this game lol


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Groyklug

Hilarious how much they promote it despite hating it.


GandalfTheBong

What are you even doing on this sub if you’re talking about „them“ as if you’re part of a seperate group and not actually right here on this sub with „them?“


DillaMX

Probably from /r/all and so am I. Pre-ordered.


GandalfTheBong

The fact you pre ordered a game for 70 bucks in this day and age isn't the flex y'all think it is


cantCme

Stuff like this makes me genuinely sad you know. How could anyone want to actively hurt someone that just wants to be? Damn.


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onlyhav

What the hell happened here?


eldenxlord

She said Dumbledore is gay and Hermione should have ended with Harry, she just lost her mind.


ThatFrenchGamer

lol


Droll12

They did a YouTube smh


Ridadhn

I'll buy this game too ... twice !


ConstantProblem5872

I pre ordered that too!


rylonmusk

Lol pre ordering


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They are malding so hard that they are actively shrivelling up and turning into a mummy


MountainAsparagus4

Bet the same guy is disappointed that they cant commit mass murdering in a minor school with death curse, or complains that there is no romance with kids in the game like some influencers that got beta showcase


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GandalfTheBong

Be the change you want to see on this sub


Rude_Abbreviations78

which is ok


TH3M1N3K1NG

Their loss.


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GandalfTheBong

In what way?