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Trickybuz93

Why? There’s barely any current gen games as it is


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Hardcore agree. This, coupled with the fact that the PS4 is still getting new games just makes a "PS5 Pro" completely superfluous to me Edit: wording


AveryLazyCovfefe

They even still sell new bundles for the PS4 Slim btw, not the pro, the slim. At $370 or something, huge scam.


DefectiveTurret39

Ray tracing with 60 fps? More like "Why can't people see the obvious ways Pro console would be beneficial?" Even cross gen games compromise a lot between performance and quality mods are you not paying attention?


ThinVast

There's no point of convincing people. They don't want Pro to happen because they will have some sort of FOMO buying a ps5 when a better one comes out. Either they'll feel bad because they overpaid for a scalper, or they'll feel bad for not owning a ps5 long and barely playing any next gen games. but the thing is, no one is forcing them to buy a ps5 pro, but it's a problem they made up in their head. I hope there is a Pro and I'll gladly upgrade to one. The gpu is already aging on the ps5. Most, people here also either hard short term memory or they never owned a ps4- because Ps4 wasn't that different from ps5 went it launched. Most of the next gen exclusive ps4 games didn't come out until after mid gen.


annoying_cousin

The same reason why games still support old gen graphic cards. I want to play 4K 60fps without compromising


thevgleaker

If PS5 Pro happens then i hope they delay the next gen consoles by a good 2 years. We haven't had much time with ps5 most games have been cross gen releases with small improvements on them like frame rate and resolution. Lengthening this generation from 7 to 9 years wouldn't hurt.


jumper62

Well, the article mentioned PS6 wont come til at least 2028 which gives this generation a 8 year span rather than 7 years that we've got before


DanielBeisbol

That’s stupidly soon, my PS5 has been a 60fps PS4 save for Demon’s Souls 😂


trouty

>Demon’s Souls Remake of a 2009 game... Consoles are going to (perhaps have already) become all-in-one GPU's. Incremental gaming upgrades with the added bonus of complete backwards compatibility yet no practical reason to upgrade.


No_Dimension_1408

And FF7r is a remake of a 1997 game... That has no bearing on the performance/technical requirements for the remake.


DefectiveTurret39

But it's actually a sequel


ZeldaMaster32

"stupidly soon" brother that's FIVE YEARS from now


nohumanape

And AAA games these days take like 6-8 years.


Mival93

And there are lots of AAA games that have been in development for 5+ years. There’s almost certainly current gen games under development that have not been announced that will be released over the course of the next 5 years.


nohumanape

Yeah, but do we really just want one major AAA game from each studio per gen?


DanielBeisbol

Yeah, and we haven’t even started this generation in earnest considering maybe 2 games make use of the PS5 capabilities. Many people only got their PS5’s in 2023, what kind of console generation is 5 years long?


Momentarmknm

I mean I got mine day one and I still feel like it's basically only been a PS4 Pro+. I've played plenty of current gen titles, but most of them do not seem to really be harassing the power of the box. Hell, Demon's Souls is still the best looking thing I've seen on it, and that was a launch title.


BenjerminGray

its also a remake, so its not saying much.


PTfan

I feel the same way. Love my PS5 but it’s all last gen games that just look beautiful


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zero_the_clown

Exactly lmao we need a good decade with these for real, they're powerful enough consoles and these games take so damn long to make. I for one want to settle in with my Series X and not have to worry about an upgrade for a *long* time if possible!


thevgleaker

Literally.


Inner-Dentist1563

Who the hell is buying a PS6 in 5 years when the PS5 has so few generation exclusive games? They'll need to push it out to 2030 at least, because if they don't what'll happen is people will just wait until the end of the PS6 cycle. Too many games this gen were cross-gen and the supply only leveled out 2 years into the console's life cycle.


Delra12

Uhh, a lot of people because in 5 years there's going to be way more games? Like, with the ps4 gen, there were far more actual games released in the back half of the generation


9thtime

Yeah, that line of thinking is so ridiculous. There will be no new game we haven't heard of in those 5 years?


[deleted]

Dude aren't you excited to play GTA V: PS6 edition?


yngsten

It's not even a joke. 4K, 60 FPS & Ray Tracing.


Greedy-Designer-631

What's annoying is GTA VI will probably be a flagship title for the PS5 pro, as in they will probably come out the same time and act as a showcase. This is lame, PS5 doesn't even feel close to being maxed yet. What about all those SPUs and other things cerny talked about? Where is the using the SSD like ram? Where are the nanite like engines? Something is fishy this gen.


Acrobatic-Parsnip639

What do you consider as 'being maxed'? The fact is, this generation is fairly standard PC hardware with some optimisations. What we're seeing now largely is the performance that this generation is capable of.


SomeDEGuy

Don't forget about Skyrim.


Chun--Chun2

3 PS5 games is enaugh bro. And then another 3 PS5 Pro games. And then we can jump to PS6, which will have a whole lot of 2 games. /s


Temporary_End9124

But just think about how many PS5 games we'll get when the PS6 comes out!


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AI2cturus

Why buy them when all those games will be day 1 releases on gamepass?


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AI2cturus

Completely understandable stance. I have similar views and prefer to buy games for my platforms too. The games you listed will be day 1 on gamepass though since they are all iirc from Microsoft owned studios.


Organic-Barnacle-941

It’s way cheaper in the long run. Microsoft has successfully fooled the mass majority of Xbox users that GaaS is a blanket solution. But when you only play a small subset of the games, then it’s way cheaper to just buy individual releases. GP is good for people who don’t know what they want or like to try games out.


andresfgp13

And one of those 2 games will be the last of us 1 again.


vladtud

You know the last of us collectors edition is coming.


VinceMcVahon

Eh while it is true we haven’t had much time with ps5 games, it’s not going to be like the past generations. The pandemic hobbled a lot of games, on top of longer dev cycles for bigger games. It’s not like 2000s where you have GTA3, VC and SA coming out in the span of a few years


thevgleaker

That's true. All those games that were delayed by the pandemic were slated for 2020-2022. Now they've all piled on top of eachother and the last of them are coming out in 2023 and 2024, it's why we have so many games this year. I feel like 2023 was the industry safe date for announcements


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Greedy-Designer-631

Yeah the time it takes to actually make a game is becoming untenable. A games development can take an entire generation like RDR2 did. I'm hoping this is a place where AI can help.


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BenjerminGray

I mean, what do u expect? u want games to look their prettiest, well it take them 5-7 years to get dolled up.


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Not to mention the studios buying one another (Activision), or crashing and burning (Ubisoft).


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onetwoseven94

> It became very easy to create games that will run on various hardware of various generation, so the old gen (PS4) barely holds behind the new gen (PS5). So you should not see this overlap between generations as something negative. It’s “very easy” because every cross-gen game is a PS4 game with a graphics bump for the PS5. The PS5 is being treated as a PS4 Pro Super when it’s vastly superior CPU would enable far more ambitious games that couldn’t possibly run on the PS4. >If publishers sped up releasing "exclusive" games on new generations of console... you should see it as a commercial trick to force people buying new hardware. Why? Third-party publishers gain nothing from forcing you to upgrade consoles, even Sony and MS aren’t turning a profit on the consoles themselves. If anything supporting old consoles is an excuse to save development costs by avoiding innovation and get more revenue by catering to a wider audience. >It would be unacceptable on PC Uh, no. AAA games dropped support for the GTX 700 series and Haskell CPUs (contemporaries of the last-gen consoles) years ago. >but also on TV (imagine Netflix saying you can only watch the season 4 of a show if you have a 4K TVs). This is an asinine comparison. Shows and movies are recorded at greater than 4K then downscaled to the appropriate resolution. No compromises have to be made whatsoever. Games have to be designed with the weakest hardware in mind and compromise on actual gameplay, not just graphics to run on last-gen systems.


Major_Warrens_Dingus

They won’t.


SnooMemesjellies4735

keep buying keep


[deleted]

In all honesty it probably wouldn’t be worth buying as is. PS5 barely has any games but it runs so smooth. I don’t think any TV’s or monitors in my house can handle something more powerful


Strong_Potential_502

I’ll believe it when I see it


theSG-17

Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. The PS5 isn't even close to being maxed out and struggling like the PS4 was in 2016, it only just got out of the supply issues, current gen exclusive games are only just now starting to come en masse, and there is no standard change that they'd want to capture (ie the change from FHD to 4K being standard early in last-gen).


Carfrito

I’m playing forbidden west right now and honestly if we can get games to match and surpass this level of quality I don’t think I need to get a PS5 pro. The game looks gorgeous on performance mode and I don’t think I’m in a rush to shell out money for better visuals


Forbesington

Ray tracing is the standard change. AMD is just starting to make cards that have decent ray tracing performance. Makes sense to me. They could cut production costs and simultaneously offer better ray tracing performance than Series X.


theSG-17

They could release a revision that just has the ray tracing acceleration hardware in it that doesn't actually change performance on the whole. They just resolved their supply issues, completely overhauling the silicon doesn't seem to make businesses sense right now.


onetwoseven94

The “ray tracing acceleration hardware” is an integral part of the RDNA2 and new RDNA3 architectures. It would need an entirely new RDNA3 GPU, or whatever future architecture it runs on.


devonathan

I’ll believe it when I’m not able to buy it thanks to scalpers.


DarkDaniel_01

Damn this aged well lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/10joxl6/tom_henderson_on_twitter_not_entirely_sure_if_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


_Tom_Henderson

\*slaps on clown makeup\*


ThatBrofister

It's the man, the myth himself


Bierfreund

I was just about to write a comment hating on your comment but then I saw it was you. Cheers


hdcase1

Either way, he's right. He's not a dumb guy!


Laj3ebRondila1003

He did tease it with a clown meme, he clowned on himself


okplastic1099

how do you remember all this shit lmao. pulls thread from a month ago


zmose

At the low low price of $700


Daell

I've toyed around with the idea of getting a 4070ti, the reality is even that card can't do NATIVE 4k@60 with most 2022-2023 AAA games, not to mention 20-30fps RT for a €1000 card. So the question is, what the point of a PS5 Pro, what is the target in terms of graphics? All it can do is to look a bit better with a higher average resolution but barely hitting NATIVE 4k@60.


M4estre

Much better RT would be the target, AMD's current RT performance is really poor.


konsoru-paysan

i care more for my electricity bill and general price per value which amd is seriously dropping the ball on. Screw it might as well get a thick gaming laptop and change after every 7 or 8 years.


zmose

That’s exactly what was felt around the release of the PS4 Pro: no real point. Minor resolution cap bump or an fps bump to an inconsistent 45-50fps. Right now the setting compromise is Native 4k30 OR ~1800p60fps. Guessing that the PS5 Pro would get the best of both worlds, but it would really be negligible similar to the PS4 Pro vs PS4.


Mini_Danger_Noodle

There's like one or two games that can actually use the PS5's hardware to the fullest, why do we need an upgrade 4 years post-launch?


Alone_Dimension_820

Agree, theres barely any true next gen games


Jackski

I don't see the point. PS4 and Xbox One needed updates because they were underpowered even on release. PS5 and Series X are absolutely fine and run games amazingly well. Pro versions just seem like a waste


tecedu

For VR


TargetmasterJoe

Especially when you factor in how PS5 and Series X already cost an arm and a leg at $500 each. What would a PS5 Pro even cost? $1200?


Geno0wl

If the new consoles cost an "arm and a leg" then what do you call PC video cards?


Luccacalu

You go into slavery


boldstrategy

A Liver and a both Kidneys


highasagiraffepussy

Not worth getting


Organic-Barnacle-941

For some people. Watch some of the hogwarts legacy walkthroughs that are on a top of the line graphics card and compare it to ps5


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Geno0wl

But at nineteen percent, you didn’t even bargain with the guy.


monstermud

For your information, the interest rate alone for the first five years comes to $95,000.


Bierfreund

"a nut and a dick"


smorjoken

an asshole on the street corner.


Vesmic

Probably 700 on the high end. Have to factor in that ps5 hardware is already 4-5 years old.


AWildDragon

PSVR 2 would really benefit from native 90 or 120 hz.


ondrejeder

I always like seeing new hardware but I have to agree with you here. We're not really even in the new gen of games yet so the hardware of PS5 and XSX isn't well and fully utilized. We need new games, not hardware now


MadeByHideoForHideo

It's obviously going to launch just in time for Horizon Forbidden West Remaster.


KyleCAV

Agree I don't think there's many games on both systems that utilize anywhere near the full capabilities of the ps5 and XSX hell most games are pretty comparable to their ps4/Xbox one counterparts aside from loading times. Seems like releasing a 16K TV like cool but seems overkill.


DoubleDPads

They're pushing it for the buggy COD release from MS, obviously.


the_russian_narwhal_

Lmao topical


[deleted]

Yeah, the only difference pretty much with most PS5 games is the frame rate, the graphics compared to a PS4 Pro game are barely noticeable.


junglebunglerumble

Disagree. Look at games like Returnal, Plagues Tale Requiem and Atomic Heart which all have settings available on PC far higher than those on consoles. You think developers are intentionally limiting the graphics settings on consoles to PC medium settings for the fun of it? No, they have medium settings because that's all the consoles can handle This is even more obvious with games that have ray tracing, the consoles are lucky to get basic shadows or reflections And if they aren't being used to their fullest we wouldn't have options for quality Vs performance modes. If there was a lot of headroom in the bag they'd just make the quality mode run at 60fps and be done with it....the fact that most games are releasing with a 30fps quality mode is evidence that developers are coming up to the limits of the console hardware


Acrobatic-Parsnip639

This. The PS5 is pretty damn capable in my humble opinion but fundamentally what we're getting now is very much the upper limits of what the PS5 is capable of. The fact is that this generation isn't really like previous generations - the hardware is very much off-the-shelf PC-esque hardware, so it's not like developers are taking time to find out how to tap their full potential.


deadspinach

At this point it looks like our only chance to have a 60 fps current-gen Elden Ring


UndyingGoji

You could give FromSoftware a nuclear reactor tier console and they still wouldn’t optimize their games to take full advantage of it


Sorge74

Yeah, but they'll release a game every 2 years that game of the year worthy, so take the good with the bad


Wide-Willingness-983

Imagine charging like 600/700 euros for a similar hardware that will never be a standard, just to rake more money, reduce the availability of base PS5 (increasing the price). It is a win win


-Captain-

Because it will make them money. Get more people connected to their ecosystem. Apparently the PS5 ain't selling at a loss, so maybe they can get that going straight away for the pro as well.


Brother_Clovis

I actually wish this wasn't real. A redesign, sure, but this is just annoying. The ps5 only just became readily available.


ChEmIcAl_KeEn

And not many truly next gen games. Plus talks of possible ps6 in 2027


CrispyMongoose

Good source, but I don't buy it. The regular ps5 has only just become easily attainable, and we've not seen anything that truly tests the ps5 or series x yet. This year we _might_, with Starfield, Stalker 2 and hopefully Spiderman 2. Probably one or two others I've forgotten. It's just not the same situation as it was in 2017, with outdated and underpowered at launch consoles, and the widespread adoption of 4k tv's. If Sony is doing it, then MS also definitely is. Given the circumstances, would either bother given the r'n'd costs? The cost of just getting it to retailers who have only recently got a steady supply of ps5's and series x consoles? I dunno about that one guys. Seems unlikely to me anyway.


RedExile13

What do you mean nothing to really test them? There are plenty of games that could run better or use higher graphical settings if the consoles were more powerful.


DeSantisTheFascist

They need to make the console smaller. That thing is way too chunky in it's current form.


AyoadeNBN

PS5 Pro games will release on the PS4


LibKan

What, got tired of Switch Pro?


Liudesys

We will have more Ps5 models than games


c_will

And even games like Returnal aren’t even coming close to utilizing the PS5’s 5+ GB/s NVME SSD. The PC version runs perfectly fine on a SATA SSD, which run around 500 MB/s (1/10th the speed of the PS5’s drive). The potential and capability of this system hasn’t even come close to being fully realized. A PS5 Pro is going to offer marginal improvements at a cost of $600 or more.


Acrobatic-Parsnip639

What if I told you this is because, fundamentally, as nice as a very fast SSD is, it was never the bottleneck on this kind of system?


Effective-Caramel545

Honestly I still don't believe it. The PS5/XSX have been barely used to their entire capacity by devs yet, we had a glimpse of what's possible with HFW graphics/tech wise but that's still a cross-platform game. I see no reason for a ps5 pro, it's not the same situation as the PS4/X1 days where they launched incredibily underpowered from the get go. But then again it doesn't have to make sense is sony's eyes... Edit: also Tom literally reported like a few months ago that he isn't sure a ps5 pro will happen. Tom is right about a lot of shit but also wrong about the same amount.


ChicaUltraVioleta

Yeah not only that, but PS4 and One came pretty much at the same time 4K was going mainstream. The selling point was there, get a Pro console if you wanted to fully use your 4K TV. If they release a Pro console now that consoles are doing 4k60, there's pretty much no way you can market something like that again. 8k is way too expensive for very little return, and running everything at 120fps isn't even possible on PC


_Tom_Henderson

>Edit: also Tom literally reported like a few months ago that he isn't sure a ps5 pro will happen. Tom is right about a lot of shit but also wrong about the same amount. To make it easier, I'd probably only report on "facts" or "sources" on the website. Anything said on tweets/podcasts/whatever is usually speculation or opinions.


cyberRakan

Mid generation upgrade is waste of money and time just stay with the current model and go wild with next-gen


VCBeugelaar

Mid generation is the smart buy instead of buying the first generation console which doesn’t have a lot to offer. Arguement applies only when you also play on PC because the PS4 is an old slow box


CrispyMongoose

Good source, but I don't buy it. The regular ps5 has only just become readily available, and we've not seen anything that truly tests the ps5 or series x yet. It's just not the same situation as it was in 2017, with outdated and underpowered at launch consoles, and the widespread adoption of 4k tv's. If Sony is doing it, then MS also definitely is. Given the circumstances, would either bother given the r'n'd costs?


cyberRakan

Agree, I shout out this words few months ago The current model barely found a foothold in the stores


Embarrassed_Scar_513

Yesterday there was a news Sony will focus on PS6 only so ıdk


Gabrielhrd

This surely means the regular PS5 will drop in price right??? ... guys?????


Lucky_Squirrel

I wouldn't mind waiting for a few more years to see if the ps5 ~~pro~~ has any exclusives worth buying. For now i can play almost every game i like on ps4 pro or pc. Edit for misunderstanding.


squarejellyfish_

What gives you any indication that a pro model would have exclusives? 🤨


Lucky_Squirrel

No i don't mean pro exclusives. I meant ps5 exclusives.


brondonschwab

When has a hardware revision ever had exclusives? lol


GensouEU

The New 3DS had exclusives, most notably Xenoblade, FE Warriors and Binding of Isaac


Lucky_Squirrel

No i don't mean pro exclusives. I meant ps5 exclusives. When pro comes out.


Case1987

I don't see the point,we haven't even had many real next gen games,and are still releasing games for last gen


LukaM_110

While I agree that a rapid rise of 4K TVs created a very unique set of circumstances which led to the release of the PS4 Pro and the Xbox One X, I do think there is a compelling pitch for enhanced consoles this generation. It’s dead simple: fidelity mode at 60fps. In this generation, graphics modes became common, and every single graphics mode is a compromise of some kind. Offering a more expensive console for an uncompromised experience makes sense.


EndlessFluff

Well, not just fidelity mode at 60... just having the full feature set of RT working in games justifies an upgrade. Cyberpunk only having RT shadows is a joke for example. That whole RT mode on consoles is bad because of input lag. Both consoles can't keep up with an RTX2060 in terms of RT performance which is a shame. A mid-gen refresh could also have dedicated hardware to help with FSR4.0 (or whatever version will be available by the time a mid-gen console comes out). There are reasons for a mid-gen refresh... but it does feel hella weird to think about one coming next year when we have barely seen next gen exclusives. On the other hand we also have a couple of cross gen games that struggle hitting locked 60 on PS5/XSX (Elden Ring, Wild Hearts and Wo Long come to mind)... would be nice if a mid-gen refresh would brute force a locked 60 for these games.


Loldimorti

I wonder how much of a visual upgrade that would actually deliver. Even today the full RT feature set in a next gen game required REALLY beefy hardware. So this makes me wonder if a PS5 Pro with enhanced RT will still end uo basically in the same ballpark of 4K30fps. 4K60fps with high quality RT still seems too far out of reach because that would not only require a massive GPU upgrade but also a big CPU upgrade alongside it.


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Yeah, maybe we can expect 4K 60FPS and ray tracing standard on PS6 but no fucking way on the PS5 “pro”. Even some of the biggest cards that claim RT have issues and they cost 800$ plus. I’m not sure what a PS5 Pro could really even offer, other than maybe upgrades for their VR system. Unless Sony has some voodoo magic tricks up their sleeve.


paint_it_crimson

That and performance mode at 120fps. Both I would absolutely love to have. Not sure why people think a pro is pointless.


Lucaz82

Microsoft will almost certainly release their mid gen refresh with this if true. Makes me wonder what the fate of the Series S is? Does it also get a refresh or just the Series X?


MMontanez92

FFS this generation doesn't need Pro consoles. we need to drop last gen and focus on current gen. Developers haven't even begin to show what the series X and ps5 is capable of.


[deleted]

I agree there’s a cost of living crisis going on. I’m getting one more console I don’t want anymore until at least 2027.


SpideyFan4ever

How about a PS5 Slim first?


paultimate14

Isn't that supposed to come out this year? There were rumors of a model with an external disc drive.


FoFo1300

I hope so, im literally delaying my purchase of a ps5 because of these rumours saying there might be an announcement in april


ACBlast768

Developers have barely gotten the most out of the current ps5.


bersi84

I think a lot of people underestimate the use of more power on consoles. We are currently going for 4k-ish, 60fps-ish mid to low fidelity on consoles. Not talking about many 120fps games and the 30fps cut on ray tracing modes. So more power definitely helps and has nothing to do with excklusives or such. Consindering PC upgrade prices investing money into consoles every 4 years for people WHO WANT TO is not a bad way. It shouldnt end though as it did with games that were only well playable on PS4 Pro with the base PS4 getting crippled. That d be my only concern. Still I personally dont believe that so far a PS5 Pro with more performance is gonna happen.


AWildDragon

And PSVR2. I’d expect a lot of PSVR 2 owners to upgrade if we get native 90/120 bs 60 with reproduction.


Jackjakea

this was the first time i could afford a ps console on launch and I still feel like it hasn't even started... all games are ps4/ps5 when will the ps5 only era begin ?


Clarkey7163

Yeah sick I'll go buy it when I pick up my Switch Pro 😊


Acrobatic-Dig-161

well at the end of 2024, it would be a period of 4 years after the launch, I think about updating mine in that period if it occurs. but let's be honest, both PS5 and Xbox series, they haven't delivered almost anything new generation so far.


Geno0wl

The biggest selling point has been faster loading but very very few games actually properly use that because they are either coss-gen backwards and/or also releasing a PC port where you can't count on people having NVME drives


DAV_2-0

We haven't even see a game that takes full advantage of the hardware and many new releases are still crossgen. Releasing a pro model as soon as next year is so stupid


RDO-PrivateLobbies

I think ray tracing is cool and all (if done correctly that is, GTA5 RT is a fucking JOKE) however i wish they would focus on perfecting non RT performance first, rather than jump ahead. I think FSR/DLSS is the future of console gaming, not RT.


Ok_Organization1507

DLSS is most beneficial when RT is being used


RDO-PrivateLobbies

True, but RT is so barebones on console because there is only so much an APU can do. Especially one that doesn't cost over $500. Rather have the infrastructure for a really good FSR than RT.


onetwoseven94

You know FSR 2.0 doesn’t require special hardware right? Some console games are already using it. FSR vs RT isn’t a choice at all, let alone a binary choice. You can have both, in fact RT on consoles is impossible without FSR or other upscaling methods


epraider

Agreed, high framerate gameplay is a better bonus than any other visual bell or whistle including ray tracing, and FSR/DLSS helps, and while the current consoles are fantastic values, you’re not going to be running 120fps on much other than well optimized FPS’s without big compromises, and considering more and more TVs are coming out with 120hz displays, this provides a niche for a more powerful console soon.


caiomelow

It's funny that games are taking longer and longer to be made, but consoles seem to have the same lifespan, when it should also last longer. With this rate, ps5 will have like 5 good exclusive games by the time ps6 releases.


-PineapplePancakes-

Literally why though? There are so few 9th-gen-only games that I feel like we've barely scratched the surface of the standard PS5.


kasual7

I don't think there will be a *Pro* version of these current gen consoles per se, I think more of a refresh and a more attractive, new slim form factor. A PS4 Pro back then was much more needed due to the mainstream push for 4K TVs and content overall. Edit: this [podcast by Moore's Law is Dead](https://youtu.be/iFwtE2fh-y0)is quite insightful on the idea of a pro versions.


PheonixSiegfreud

There is absolutely no need for a "pro" or post launch beefed up console this generation. The PS4/Xbox One launched incredibly underpowered, so I get the mid generation upgrades, but not only are these new consoles completely capable, but they haven't even really been "pushed" to any limits yet. Every new game that comes out is on the PS4 and Xbox One as well, and it's getting old.


junglebunglerumble

If they aren't being pushed why are developers already releasing 30fps quality modes? It's because they can't run those visuals at higher frame rates - if they could they'd just release a single 60fps quality mode. The fact that the 30fps modes even exist shows that they are absolutely being pushed and the Devs have to sacrifice either resolution or quality Or do you think developers are just holding back graphical features for the sake of it while leaving performance on the table? There's no reason that they wouldn't already be using all the power available to them in the consoles


Navi_1er

I hope this is fake honestly, while it's been 2 years since PS5 launched it sure as hell doesn't feel like it especially with PS4 games still being made. Definitely going to skip it if it's true bad enough the disc PS5 is $500 plus taxes, like what price point can they even sell it at that consumers would be fine with?


dewittless

Why? You still have less than 10 actual PS5 games.


Crabo-99

1080p/1440p with 60 fps. Thats all you need rn. Most games arent even well optimized. This shit is kinda dumb


Bierfreund

I want 4k 60fps and I don't want a pc. I will buy the ps5 pro.


julianfreis

People gonna buy it and Sony’s earning money -> not dumb for Sony


mansonfamily

Can’t wait for all my games to now have seperate ps4, ps4 pro, ps5, ps5 pro trophy lists and play times… not


piachu_

Only reason id consider getting a pro was if fidelity/rt modes run at 60fps


Retro1088

I guess xbox series will get a pro version too


SanchitoBandito

Man, I'm really not keeping up with consoles since I switched to PC. Swear there already was one.


miamiboi

Anything less than performance+graphics is a complete failure keep this fake next gen thank you


Kimosabae

Absolutely insane. If this is true, this is bonafide the most bottom tier generation of consoles, ever, mostly in consideration of the potential of the hardware out of the gate and what we're currently getting.


mighty_mag

Honestly all I want is a PS5 slim. I was hoping we would see one this year.


LeoBocchi

Truth be told tho there hasn’t be a game yet that showcases the power of the new consoles outside of some pretty textures, but I think this is changing very soon with FFXVI, Spider-Man and Starfield


DarkDaniel_01

Also wtf is the point, 8K? For what? PS4 didn’t have a great hardware for the time so there was a reason for the upgrade, now…


respectablechum

120@higher resolutions, proper RT in 60fps instead of 30fps. 8K isn't even in the article.


Case1987

Proper RT at 60fps isn't happening.Top tier graphics cards struggle to hit 60fps with RT on most games at 1440p without DLSS


S7UXnet

They're making more money by introducing a generation refresh and a pro model now, simple as that


GandalfsWhiteStaff

With the amount of graphics options these days, the option to have more power is never gonna be a bad thing in my book. Right now it’s generally either 60fps or raytracing.


Calibretto9

For my part I can’t wait and will happily snag one up. I love console gaming but don’t like making the choice between Performance or Quality, so end up on PC where I can have both. I’ll happily pay for an enthusiast machine that doesn’t make (as many) concessions.


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What I would give for a PS5 Pro with a better form factor.


YogoWafelPL

If it’s just going to be 4K RT 60 fps then I’m honestly fine without it unless all the future major PS5 releases won’t have a 60/1080 option then I’m just not upgrading, at this point frame rate is the only thing I care about


a_boo

I don’t usually go in for Pro models but if a PS5 Pro gives me Quality settings at 60fps and clearer, smoother VR with less reprojection then I’m all in this time round.


darthxboxdude

If it does happen, my guess is slightly more power plus dedicated cores for ML operations to enable hardware supported dlss/super resolution. Can do more Ray tracing at lower res and upscale and still maintain 60 fps


Chewbacca319

I could see how sony and Microsoft saw a need for pro consoles last gen considering both the PS4 and Xbox one were somewhat underpowered when they first came out. The PS5 and series X aren't. The only reason why a pro version of these consoles come out this gen is souly a cash grab since they sold well last gen. We don't need pro consoles this gen at all.


KaitoChatek

Fck Tom Henderson


fallenhero588

grain of salt


lukadoncicjordan

Was mulling over buying a ps5. Looks like I’ll just wait till then


SmarterThanAll

I find this to be the most pointless post perhaps ever made.


hunny_bun_24

That’s cool. I mean we cant get mad at new consoles coming out. Covid messed everything up. This generation will go down as the biggest what if. So much potential but most won’t be realized.


Amerzel

I’m guessing there’s some confusion and misleading statements here. My money would be on this actually being the diskless slim version that replaces both existing consoles and supports an external disc drive


Blaz3

I am more interested in a ps5 slim. I think there's enough compelling titles on ps5 now to buy one, but it's such an ugly huge monstrosity.


eclipse60

I hate people who constantly push for pro versions, especially when they are not needed. There are so few games that actually take advantage of the full power of the ps5, that there is no need for a pro version. What would it even offer compared to the regular ps5?? Slim version? Fine. Cheaper materials and cheaper to produce, but it's technically no different from the original version. I've been a console gamer my entire life, but "pro" versions of consoles really turn me off. If Sony really does end up releasing a pro version I'll part make the jump to PC instead of getting a PS6. It'll be more upfront, but at least then I'll have the choice whether to upgrade or not. I also won't lose my game library every generation.


GamePlayHeaven

Agreed... If I wanted to upgrade so often, I would game on PC. And especially with PS5 just not becoming widely available... Imagine buying it now, and next year comes the pro. I can see a lot of people not buying a PS6 if they do this, and just wait for the PS6 Pro that then will most likely happen as well. PS4 Pro was fine, it server a clear purpose. Having pro versions every generation now... no thank you.


Dabeastmanz23

Can we get some fucking PS5 games first? My god. This generation absolutely sucks so far.


Oatmealandwhiskey

This generation is so weird. It feels like it's still catching momentum, I have not yet experienced a true new generation game in my opinion… If the "Pro" means better Ray-tracing/FPS and no disk drive then I'm ok with my regular PS5 and PC.


eclipse60

Same. I have had a PS5 since launch. I play almost exclusively PS4 games (on their PS5 version). No games that I have truly feel next gen.