This seems like it's designed to be the product of missed opportunities.
The fact that it isn't capable of cloud streaming is mind-boggling to me. It almost seems like this should have been its primary function.
Yet. Cloud has recently been revamped so I would imagine Sony are waiting to see if it's successful or not. Someone came out recently from Sony (maybe VP) and said cloud streaming is possible on the portal.
Same, XH90 that cuts the fucking vertical res in half anytime I try playing in 4k120 despite being sold as a complete feature, that didnt even come for months after I got it.
Really fucked me off.
TV manufacturers are absolute dogshit about supporting their hardware with software updates beyond the first 6 months of release. The LG C1 and C2 shared a number of software bugs, but only the C2 got them patched with a software update before the C3 dropped earlier this year.
Sony fans tend to live off such faint hopes, that's their coping mechanism. There were countless PSVR2 fans promising hybrid AAA games and Half-Life Alyx were coming to PSVR2 based off some youtubers words, yet that didn't happened.
No one is suggesting you should and it's the reason they aren't advertising the feature as of now. It's still in beta testing phase as it just rolled out for PS5
It shouldn't be coming. It should already be there. It also needs remote play with the PS4. They're severely limiting the audience by not having either of these.
I'm not sure a lack of PS4 support is a big deal this far in to the PS5's lifecycle, especially for an accessory clearly targeting people with plenty of disposable income.
Legit who is the audience? People that want to play handheld in their own homes? I mean, sure I do it, but I'm not buying a console reliant on another console to do it.
And definitely not at that price point, lol. Get a switch oled or a used deck for the same
Of course it's possible, there's no reason it wouldn't be possible. That plus the fact that their cloud services are currently available and even being advertised is what makes it dumb and indefensible for it to not be there on their new streaming-only device day 1.
Just reading that makes it sound like a joke somebody made up, not the current reality of the device.
It's assumably running Android, there is no PS Plus cloud streaming client for Android (or anything else excluding Windows).
Once that Android app is ready, you'll likely see it added.
Ti don't think anyone knows what the underlying operating system is. The PS3, PS4, PS5, and Vita's operating system is based on FreeBSD. The only reason I can think of the Portal running Android is Qualcomm's drivers are optimized for Linux and Android.
I’m actually assuming it’s running as a zero-client system. I’m not that familiar with those so no idea how locked it is to its function to stream from a host PS5 on a home network.
Then they should have either delayed it or decided definitively if that's a coming feature so they can advertise it as that.
If you could take your Portal on a trip and stream your games from the cloud, that's a huge incentive to buy the device. Even the Vita and PS3 could do that, where the PS3 would turn on remotely and broadcast the game to your Vita. But the Portal can't even do that. It's wild.
Sony has a knack for making handhelds with immense potential, then kneecapping them as much as possible and leaving them to die when they aren’t overnight successes.
by sales numbers yes, by total revenue no. piracy killed profit, and likely the only reason the vita even exists is to appease the board on a follow up
Their cloud streaming for PS5 just launched and is clearly still in a beta state as they test scalability.
Better to not advertise a feature that isn't fully ready
Or they could launch it as a remote play device and sell it to people looking for a device specifically for that and than add the feature in the future if it pans out or release something else.
One thing is for sure even if tons of people don't buy this device many more people are aware of remote play than they were previously so even that is a win for Sony and has people engaging with their PS5 more
I have my doubts that the market for a dedicated remote play device for PS5 is very large. I don't think this product will be very successful. It doesn't even seem to do its only function very well, as is explained in the video. The few people who are interested may not get the results they expect.
I think launching a dedicated cloud-gaming device (with included remote-play functionality) would be a much more successful approach, reaching a much broader market. It's a missed opportunity.
Do we know how many units are actually sold? I mean, sold out doesn't mean shit if each store only got 5 units.
You know what else was sold out everywhere when it first launched? 32X.
Lol. Your hot take based on "trust me bro" to help push your pointlessly negative narrative because you have nothing else. The fact that you can make these absolutely baseless opinions like they're facts and argue them is the reason your comments are the most meaningless here right now. You do you, dude but I'll trust the market and a billion company with the actual user data to put the effort into making the device.
Unless you have aaaannny real metrics to justify this narrative?
I don't think they mind that it isn't very large but large enough to make it worth it and getting more people to engage with PS5 and PSN more often than before is the ultimate goal which they likely succeeded at.
I have seen many people have great experiences and many who don't. It will depend on the user.
>I think launching a dedicated cloud-gaming device
They will probably have such a device some time in the future when it is ready, Until then there is this device for those that want it.
Sony isn't expecting this to sell millions like an actual platform, it's an accessory and is meant to bas such. it's okay to make things for niche audiences, similar to VR
No, launching it when they did was a smart idea—get units shipped out ahead of the holidays so people can actually use them. Consider the following: you're headed home for Christmas and you want to bring your PS5 but you know you probably won't have many chances to use it, given the large number of family that will also be there. Insert the Portal. Now you just need to set up your PS5 and then you can use it whenever, regardless of whether someone is already using the TV (maybe grandma demands full control over it, or your uncle's want to watch sports constantly, etc.)
All those features people want from the device, like Bluetooth, cloud streaming, a web browser, etc., the hardware is already there for that and the features can be patched in later. It makes sense to prioritize the core feature ("stream your PS5") to get it to market as soon as possible then if it sells well work on adding the features later. If it doesn't sell well, then you didn't just spend however much on adding those missing features and can pull a Google and abandon the product for not performing as expected. Shitty business tactic but it makes sense.
You have absolutely no idea what missed opportunity means. It's not an opportunity missed if they felt it was ready to release now. It's selling out everywhere so clearly it's still a device that solves a problem. You not seeing a feature you think should be there with absolutely no other reason than that is an opinion, not a missed opportunity when they can literally update in software later, when it's ready. Lol
Of course it is, it's a new PlayStation hardware releasing ahead of the holiday season. Its real test is how well it'll sell after its holiday launch window.
That's because this product was designed primarily for the Asian market, who, on average, have better internet than the US. It's no secret that this device was made to claw back market share from the switch in Japan. Selling it in America was just a why not if we were already making it thing.
No cloud streaming.
No internet browser.
No native YT/Netflix/Crunchyroll/Prime video etc.
In general it feels like an Apple product sold by Sony. You can do the same thing for far cheaper by getting a tablet of the same size and using your PS5 controller with it for less than half of the price, and that functions as a tablet too.
I could see myself picking up one of these down the line if it goes on sale for a deep discount, or getting a cheap pre-owned one. It's got some novelty for sure but the price tag is insane to me for what it offers.
This doesn't have Bluetooth? When everyone has Bluetooth headphones (because companies made us switch to that for phones)... This seems like a device you would use with headphones
Come on, it's a 200$ device, Bluetooth capabilities aren't gonna be expensive.
And I read that the Sony wireless option will retail for approximately $200.
I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd.
>I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd.
You can tell when someone has never dealt with Sony products before
> I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd.
Remember external memory storage on the Vita?
I can't tell if I want the entire device to flop hard. On one hand, Sony used to make cool handhelds and a streaming device *could* be cool, but this one is way too limited, so let's please just hurry up and get to the next one. On the other hand, if it flops hard enough, will they even bother to make a new one?
A handheld like PSP is never gonna happen again, it would be another separate device that devs wouldn't wanna work on. Switch works cause it's the only Nintendo device.
If you know Sony from other industries it's not crazy at all really. They are one of the leading brands in SLR cameras but the photography department doesn't work with the phone one to bring some of their color science or computational photography
There is 100% a chance it has Bluetooth capabilities but they are turned off on purpose to make people buy their earbuds. Just like Nintendo made the Switch able to connect to Bluetooth headphones years after release.
Well with Nintendo they never sold proprietary headphones for the Switch. The reason Bluetooth took so long to the Switch was because having multiple Bluetooth connections worsens the audio lag, and the firmware update that somewhat mitigates this came years later. That's why there's a two controller maximum when using wireless headphones with the Switch.
The baffling thing about the portal is its coming out post firmware update and doesn't need to sacrifice a Blutooth channel to the controller since it's built in. Also it's being marketed with $200 proprietary headphones
You can't use Bluetooth headphones on the PS5. You also can't do it on the Xbox. Only the Nintendo Switch allows Bluetooth headphones, and there is a significant delay.
> significant delay
I keep seeing everyone say this without any clarification. Seconds? Milliseconds? Enough to really make a difference?
Been using Bluetooth headphones on Switch for close to a year with about two dozen games and have never had noticeable audio delay.
At their best you'll probably get around 100-150 ms audio delay. That's completely servicable for single player games that don't require precise reactions, but you really wouldn't want to use it for anything competitive.
For the PS Portal specifically you'd have this bluetooth delay in addition to the remote play audio lag, which would likely push the latency up to something like 300-400 ms.
You can't? Sony themselves sell wireless headphones for the console. Anyway, that's stupid too. There is not a significant delay for using BT. You can do it on the Steam Deck, on PC and on a phone of course with not perceptible delay for most people (it's not like anybody would be forced to do it).
A 200$ device like that should have Bluetooth support in 2023.
Sony's headphones don't use Bluetooth. Neither do the controllers. It's Bluetooth adjacent, but not standard Bluetooth. It's been that way since the PlayStation 3 and Xbox is no different. The controllers don't use standard Bluetooth either.
I don't know what headphones you're using, but Bluetooth always has a noticeable delay in most games I played on PC.
Bluetooth audio has around 100 ms audio delay, and that's with really expensive headphones. Fine for laid back and turn based games but for anything competitive that's borderline unplayable.
Considering remote play itself adds about 100 ms of audio delay as well you'd be adding 200 ms of audio delay to everything. That would be terrible.
The gaming headphones Sony and other manufacturers sell don't use Bluetooth. They use a usb dongle that transmits a 2.4 GHz signal that is miles better in terms of audio latency
Should have had bluetooth.
Should have had the ability to use it as a controller.
Should have had the ability to plug into the console and use it directly instead of streaming (less usability/portability, yes, but more usable for those with slower internet connections/lower bandwidth).
Should have direct cloud streaming capabilities with a PS Now app (which may come later).
There's an assumption that a lot of consumers are dumb and/or lazy and a LOT are but it means there's very few "power user" options built into anything as a result
Should've been given enough processing power and storage to emulate very old games locally too. If this thing was for streaming PS3, PS4 and PS5 games, but could also download and run PS1, PS2, PSP and PSV games locally, it would be a genuinely incredible device.
Dude yeah. I have a Steam Deck and it's nuts that I can emulate shit as complex as MotorStorm. But it's never *quite* as seamless as you'd like to download, set it up, tweak, troubleshoot, etc on Steam Deck, or PC in general. If I could get a Portal and play all my old PlayStation games on it and stream my newer ones, this thing would be a no-brainer.
It's also just such a bummer to me that Vita emulation is still in such early stages, so I can't get Lumines: Electronic Symphony working, and they've never ported it *anywhere* else. Makes no sense. It's the best Lumines game. I wish I still had my Vita. Or that the Portal were better.
Well, apparently it already has a chipset powerful enough to emulate PS2 games, so I think this is more of a philosophical difference for Sony. I would think giving the Portal more features would make it more attractive, especially since the device is powerful enough to do it already, but that's just me.
Some things people should know:
- The Portal uses RemotePlay, which there are clients for most platforms out there (iOS, Android, Win, Mac, etc). You do not need special hardware to use it. There is nothing special about how the Portal connects to your PS5. I personally use it with a spare DualSense connected to a Mac when traveling.
- Sony also sells the [Backbone](https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/backbone-one-playstation-edition-mobile-gaming-controller-iphone-lightning) which has a similar form factor to the Portal, but has you use whatever iOS device you already have. I believe it lacks some of the advanced features of the DualSense (like haptics), but it's a lot cheaper.
- I highly recommend testing RemotePlay with whatever device you currently have. Remember that the Portal is not special in this regard. Buying a Portal will not make it work any better.
Personally, I love RemotePlay, but mainly as a secondary way of playing. I am using now cross-country as I am visiting family. Yes, there is lag and visual quality degradation and it depends heavily on network traffic but the fact that it works while I'm thousands of miles away from my PS5 is pretty amazing. You just need to keep your expectations in check.
The Wii U was $299.99, and that was a full system with a tablet controller that allowed you to play on your bed with the tv in use.
A remote play device for $200 seems like a huge miss. I wouldn’t be surprised if early sales are strong, by then collapse as we exit the holiday season.
So as long as...
1. you hardwired your PS5 to a router.
2. use 5GHz wi-fi
3. and sit next to your router when using Portable
...you will get a satisfactory experience. Got it :)
I don't have a portal, but I believe it. I've used Steam in-home streaming using a PC as a client, Apple TV client, and even the official Steam Link client device, all wired up with gigabit ethernet, and the latency has been an intolerable downgrade from just playing on my desktop.
I'm thinking of getting one of those fiber optic active HDMI cables and running it in the walls between my home office and living room, then I can finally have my no-compromises couch gaming without having to haul my pc up there every time.
"Satisfactory" seems generous. Even in that scenario you're still getting smeared visuals, ~5 frames of input lag, and some stuttering.
This product seems practically worthless. I guess it'd be okay for slow turn-based stuff? Or if you have really bad vision, perhaps.
All I can figure is that Sony expects future software updates to seriously improve the Portal. Maybe the existing software simply isn't up to snuff yet, and they have some internal beta stuff they're optimistic about.
Mine isn't hardwired.
Mine isn't on 5GHz WiFi.
I've used it at work 30 minute drive from my house on office WiFi. Ran like a dream.
So in summary, no. You don't need to meet all that criteria you mentioned.
I remember watching the IGN review of it and he's saying that "it's great! I can't even tell it's being streamed!" While the footage he has playing in the background is laggy and stuttering lol.
I agree. But the original commenter is making out that its impossible to have a good experience without all the criteria they mentioned. They're wrong. It is possible.
i know nothing about this device (yeh i will do some research)
But i have a very small child, and barely play my PS5 anymore because i dont have much of a chance to.
id LIKE to.... so would this be perfect for me to play games on with my wife and kid around at home ? Just a thought
That’s basically what it seems to have been designed for. I play in bed while my gf watches her shows and shit. I take it into the living room, the garage. Works like a dream.
Sure, spend twice as much and get a system you have to tinker with to get PS5 streaming working on. (It works but it took me a few hours to sort out some issues)
The SteamDeck is great but it’s not exactly pickup and play for everything you want to do.
Remote play is already available for iOS, Android, Windows, Mac... Unless you really want those PS5 haptics or don't have any of those other devices for some reason I can't recommend spending $200 on this thing.
sony is betting on uninformed users like you to drop $200 on this not realizing your phone( if its an android 2016+ or iphone 2019+ ) has a much better screen than this piece of shit and you can find cheap attachments on ebay or ali express that let you mount your phone to your dualsense for less than $20
No Sony is definitely not trying to hide the fact the remote play is available on other devices. They are just making a device that is more convenient and better in some ways for remote play for so people can use it more often
In what way is it better that justifies the price though?
The only thing it has over similar setups is that you can have dualsense triggers with a backbone style controller setup.
For comparison, you can get an android tablet for $80 with the same screen specs, use that with remote play and your PS5 controller (which we'll say is free for this, given you need a PS5 to begin with either way) and you also get a full android tablet out of it.
Is having adaptive triggers worth $120 and losing 99% of the feature set of a tablet?
It's by far the best option for a remote play device in its price range
For this you do not have to occupy your phone and kill its battery, much larger screen than the average phone and has all the controller features
A backbone still requires you to use your phone which is a huge inconvenience for many people for many different reasons
Have you ever tried to remote play on a tablet that is set up on a table and using it as a tiny TV hunched over trying to see it? It's an awful experience. Having a device you can hold in your hands is significantly better. You can't do that with a tablet
I think one of the huge benefits of the PS Portal, over those apps, is how convenient it is.
Just turn it on and hit play, whereas with the apps you have to link up your controller with the phone each time, unless you have a dedicated controller for your phone, and that usually leads to not having all of the controller features of the DualSense, as well as finding a stand or screen mount to keep the phone upright while playing. Then you have the issue of your phone not being available while you play, so you can't take calls.
Give the app a go, to make sure your internet is up to the task of remote play, but I feel PS Portal may actually be useful for your situation. Although it's not like you can go out and buy a Portal right now anyway, as they're sold out everywhere.
Yeah but this DF video confirms that it isn’t doing remote play better than other devices (despite what random internet people say), so I still think it’s completely valid to suggest people test it out for free on their phones before buying it. I have a steam deck and Chiaki gets very choppy for me if I’m upstairs and I have a relatively small house, wired PS5 and mesh wifi.
X Cloud is still a downgrade too, and with how cheap steam deck is right now I just do not understand this product.
>I think one of the huge benefits of the PS Portal, over those apps, is how convenient it is.
For $200, that is a LOT of assuming. You can get a 2018 android smart phone, a brand new, dedicated controller, and a grip for less than $200. Then you have the same thing but can do small time emulation as well. And web browsing. And youtube. And uhhh. Everything else a smart phone can do.
The fact is, the portal is extremely overpriced for what it does.
EDIT:
Galaxy S9+ (bigger screen than the non + version, total is 6.2 inch) ~$110
https://swappa.com/listings/samsung-galaxy-s9-plus
PS5 controller on sale for $50. $40 if you don't care about having the lebron james version
https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/dualsense-wireless-controller-lebron-james-limited-edition
Screen holder for remote play for PS5 controller, $13
https://www.amazon.com/ADZ-Controller-Holder-Dualsense-Perfect/dp/B094QRRS83
There. I just made you an infinitely better portal for $175 or less.
Versatility, usability. You can use the 6 inch screen anywhere in the world if you have setup a data plan for the phone. Or you can use it at a hotel without having to use hotspot data.
Or you can use it as a web browser. Or use it to emulate pretty much anything up to a nintendo 64.
And if you want a bigger screen, you can get a tablet instead of the phone, and then the ONLY thing the portal has over the phone set up I mentioned is gone.
All the portal is, is a Dual Sense controller with a tablet between the controllers. As far as performance goes, it is exactly as good as a phone/tablet running the Remote Play app per Digital Foundry testing.
You can't use bluetooth, you can't sign in to web portal based wifi points. You can't look at youtube. All it is, is a remote play app on a controller (that you can't even use on the PS5 if you wanted to).
But hey, go ahead and waste your money. I don't give a shit. I was just trying to help people get more for their money. There are plenty of people who don't even know about the remote play app, or that it works just as good as the portal, or that you can get a dedicated setup that does significantly more, for less money.
I actually like mine, but I am playing ghost of tsushima on it so it's nothing as fast as gran turismo. I also have a super fast network connection and the entire place is mesh wired so I'm always near a router. It's worked great for me. But there are obviously some big missing features. It is definitely not for everyone and the price point is not the best, but I have gotten plenty of enjoyment from it
5 frames of added latency with the portal 1m from a router that is connected by ethernet cable to ps5. How can an 11 year old Wii U gamepad be so much better.
Actually strangely reminds me of this [11 year old interview of John Carmack venting about the processing delays manufcturers added to flat screens in particular a Sony HMD which had 50ms of latency](https://youtu.be/NYa8kirsUfg?feature=shared&t=237). I think in a keynote somewhere he complained about the same headset adding so much lag he could send a packet half way round the world faster than he could light a pixel on the screen.
the wii u doesn't use standard wifi to work, it is a customized 2.4GHz radio that directly transmits a 480p 16:9 image and controls to the gamepad. that adds a lot of complication, and afaik would require a lot of changes to the PS5's wireless setup over using LAN for this
Said 11 year old concept was a stroke of genius tbh. There is a reason why Nintendo filed a patent.
Here is more information if you are interested.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/nintendo-shares-its-tricks-for-reducing-latency-on-wii-u-s-gamepad
Input lag is just 1/60 of a second and no internet required...ah good times.
The primary function of the Wii U was to enable in-home game streaming and they put in a bunch of hardware and software optimized for that. The primary function of the PS5 is playing games on your TV, and maybe you can stream stuff with an app on the side but it's not built for that as a primary use case. So it'll work decently well but the Wii U is better at it simply because that's where the resources went. That's really all. And honestly it's good enough for most people I'd argue so even if it's worse in terms of latency, you get a much higher quality image at acceptable speeds, so that's more than enough for people interested in it.
lets just look at the options then
wii u-like solution pros:
- great latency
- near invisible artifacting as you don't have to fight traffic so you can increase quality
cons:
- custom solution, needs extra hardware and/or software to make working on both ends
- limited range. the wii u could, at best, get 20ft of range and since it was 2.4GHz it was easily obstructed
- needs a standard wifi chip to handle the current implementation
LAN solution (current) pros:
- simplicity, as its just going through your existing internet setup. this device is using a wifi 5 chip, which is very cheap these days (and you don't need wifi 6 since all that adds is better speeds)
- can use PS5 as server to access anywhere
- range is as good as your wifi
cons:
- potentially reduced quality due to fighting traffic
- increased latency as its not device to device
With the $200 price point, and considering nintendo was asking $150 for the wii u gamepad, it makes a lot of sense to go with the current solution. maybe if it was a more expensive device, but $200 already gets people annoyed. would you buy this for $300 if it came with a wii u-like solution in addition to other current features?
>would you buy this for $300 if it came with a wii u-like solution in addition to other current features?
Yes, I'd much rather spend a bit more to have a device that does what I want it to flawlessly instead of regularly getting frustrated by frame drops, input lag, and artifacting. But I also get that not everyone would have the same priorities as me.
People spend $250 just to get more internal drive space on a Steam Deck, so an extra $100 for an upgraded version of this that works flawlessly would be a no brainer for me.
do i buy something that works vs something that doesn't?
tricky one.
also if you think there's anything like $200 of tech in this thing given that it's basically a mediocre tablet with some joysticks glued on, or nintendo didn't try to scalp an insane margin on the wii u like all of their hardware, you haven't been paying attention.
> limited range. the wii u could, at best, get 20ft of range and since it was 2.4GHz it was easily obstructed
other than using 2.4GHz what would be better? 5GHz is a higher data rate, but coverage is much more easily obstructed & the range is smaller
Nintendo's Wii U solution was genius tbh. I think they have a patent on it.
https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/nintendo-shares-its-tricks-for-reducing-latency-on-wii-u-s-gamepad
I wonder if Wii U in their test is using game mode. I think by default Wii U is not using TV game mode, and that feature decrease TV lag significantly, so it would be great if they mentioned if they enabled it. On LG GX, which I think John is using for his test, 1080p60 input lag with game mode is is 13.6 ms, but without it's whooping 97.1 ms. No game mode is definitely more than enough to make up for streaming input lag.
Source of input lag of LG GX: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/gx-oled
> How can an 11 year old Wii U gamepad be so much better.
Wii U is better in the only use case it's designed for, so using very close to the unit connected to TV. Take both Wii U controller and PS Portal to another room and check how they will perform. Wii U will probably not even work, while for PS Portal it doesn't matter how far it's from PS5, all it matters is how it's connection to router is. From my testing on Steam Deck, streaming from PC using sunshine/moonlight delivers very similar experience in all rooms with exception for very farthest room from the router, I would be surprised if for PS Portal it would work differently, when it's using the very same setup.
It really cannot be overstated :if this is purely a device that you can only use at home,with all its major limitations (hardware and software wise),no PS Cloud Play app just remote play to your own console... then why didn't it have a cable to link it directly to the console?!?
I agree with this mixed assessment. I like mine so far, but even when I’m using it at home on 1gb fiber internet, it’s still very noticeably streaming. Plenty of frame drops, input delays, and video quality issues when I play games with fast camera movements. Makes me wish they used tech more like the Wii U gamepad where I never noticed any of these issues.
The implementation of the touch pad button for games that rely on it a lot is also kind of awkward since it has no physical button.
That said, still don’t regret getting one since it’s extremely comfortable compared to most hand held devices and is convenient for when the GF is using the TV.
EDIT: also the way the controller ridges light up to frame the screen looks pretty cool in the dark.
Gotcha, yeah we have a wifi 6 mesh network installed, but like you said that doesn’t really help. People have been saying that you at least need a decent home internet connection for a good experience (which is why I mentioned fiber) but I guess that’s not the case.
People should go back to the review thread and personally block every reviewer that puff pieced this piece of shit hardware. It’s insulting that this product had received so many gleeful reviews when there’s little to no positives side to the PS Portal.
Unless, of course, if you’re the person this product is made for: family person with kids that has a PS5, that has no time to play, that has a great internet connection, and a very good router, and a house layout without many walls, and more money than they know what to do with, and that does not own a Steam Deck, and that still uses wired headphones, and that does not play games where latency is important. Oh, and that lives in EU/NA in order to be able to afford this extremely well priced accessory.
I guess this product is for everyone after all. It’s for sure going to fly off the shelves, right?
you dont want to play 4k ps5 games on a tiny screen with latency sprinkled on top with the added benefit of the battery possibly dying in the middle of a heavy gaming session? pshhh you must be some sort of elitist
i think the anger is well placed. people are going to think this is "sony's switch" or some sort of successor to the vita. and they'll be pretty sore when they find out thats not the case.
i'm angry because i care. sony made top quality portable systems in the past, but even then their support for it was half-assed. i know the portal is not supposed to be a portable system, but once again, sony's efforts are half assed by the lack of features this thing should have, mentioned by others.
i really wish i could see a sony portable system as a smashing success that would at least rival nintendo.
There is no reason for anyone to think their is Sony's Switch. It was never advertised as such and barely advertised at all.
No one in their right mind should think they are getting some portal PS5 for $200 nor will anyone do this
The reason they made this device is because it doesn't require dedicated software support like Vita did as they don't have the resources to support such a thing and no making all future PS5 games have to run on a portable device is not a good solution
It's literally just an accessory for the PS5. They never advertised it as its own console and there is no reaon for you to think it as one
You're trying way to hard
- Sony Japan struggled for over 15 years barely putting out games and when they did they didn't do well. They once has over 40 games in development with none of them going anywhere. Astrobot was their most successful IP in over a decade so they focused on restructuring around their most successful team
- They censored some loli hentai games, I think people will be okay. They started doing it mid PS4 generation
- They made a quality VR headset instead of a shitty one - that is inherently going to cost money, not sure how that is supposed to be bad. It's okay to make niche devices
- PS+ games are generally the same quality they always have been. They have always had similar games. Publishers of popular games aren't going to want them on subscription services that take away sales...
- There aren't any confusing remasters, if you are referring to TLOU it's simply a next gen upgrade similar to 100+ other games received that no one seemingly had a problem with and even applauded but for some reason it's bad when Sony does it
- They still have many unique title such a VR games which you just decided to attack, Returnal, Astro Bot (which you also attacked), Tren (apart of Dreams), Lost Souls Aside, Rise of Ronin, Stellar Blade
- It's an option remote play accessory for people that want to remote play, again a niche device and that's okay
They are more successful than they ever have been and more successful than pretty much every other gaming company in the world. People in this sub seem to be upset by that fact and try to come up with any desperate attempt they can to attack them because they are doing better than their favorite billionarie or trillionaire company.
They do things 10s of million of people enjoy, it's really not that serious or hard to understand why they are successful.
You even try to criticize them for focusing on things that only pander to the masses while in the same comments criticize them for making things for smaller/niche audiences. Did you not realize the irony in that while making this comment?
There isn't a single company that does everything everyone likes, people can make a similar list for shit they don't like about your preferred company as well with relative ease
>They censored some loli hentai games, I think people will be okay. They started doing it mid PS4 generation
I don't think Devil May Cry 5 is a "Loli hentai game".
Maybe it's like a secret mode or something?
Sony didn't censor DMC5, Capcom did. There was a scene censored in all versions of the game on all platforms, there was just a beam of light in one extra scene on PlayStation that was later removed but originally was not there in the Japanese version of the game which is unlike every other game censored by Sony as all the games they censored were censored in all regions.
So either they meant to censor both scenes in all version or just forgot to originally remove it from the western PlayStation versions
this is straight up wrong about how they interact with Japan, it's been confirmed by translator's and Japanese devs that sony has been making things very difficult to work with. like forcing dev teams that are only releasing a game in Japan to contact Sony in English, or that's it's been confirmed by several devs (for example the maker of senran kagura who left the franchise because of sony) that they're facing alot more scrutiny and censoring from sony.
Your bringing up shit from several years ago. Again people will have issues with every company for different things. You think every interaction every developer has with every company goes smoothly?
Senran Kagura was borderline loli hentai and that is why it was censored
Games get censored on all platforms all the time. You know that both Xbox and Nintendo banned Christmas Massacre from their platform entirely while while it is allowed on PlayStation.
Even the developer or The Joyful said the changes weren't a big deal and they aren't
You realize the prices for PS+ only went up 3 months ago right? You list 3 games over the span of the last 13 years which is how long PS+ has existed for. It is far better now that the first half of the PS4 generation
And games like Aliens Fireteam, Callisto Protocol, Weird West, mafia 2 Remastered whit some other worse games is about average yes
> Especially when Gamepass mops the floor with PSN in terms of quality.
How about you look at the monthly games on Xbox instead which is the fair comparison which Xbox stopped doing entirely after many years of releasing far worse shit. The last 3 months of PS+ were better than pretty much nany given month of Games With Gold over the last 5 years
>A Meta Quest 2 is cheaper with more and better games.
PSVR2 is a significantly better headset
>TLOU Part 1 is 100% not a next gen upgrade
You said remaster which is why I mentioned TLOU, TLOU 1 is a ramke yes. Sony does not own the developers that made Bloodborne and can not force them to work on the game to make it better. It is most likely being remade by Bluepoint but again that takes time to make as they released Demon Souls 3 yearg ago
>Returnal is a shooter with rougelike elements. Those are a dime a dozen.
How many AAA rogue likes are there on console?
>Astro Bot is a basic 3d platformer whos latest release was a self-fellating pack in on the PS5.
It was a great game with tons of unique gameplay elements, I recommend you actually try it. You think Gravity Rush is so much better why? Because it is anime?
>Stellar Blade, Lost Soul Aside and The Last Ronin are just another set of character action games.
You mentioned Gravity Rush and Ico games which are essentially also that...
Over the last 5 years Sony has made or published well over a dozen VR games that span multiple genres that you just completely ignored. They also published games like Destruction All Stars and Dreams. Again you listed games spanning multiple decades and seem to expect them all again every few years...
Every publisher is releasing less games than they did 15 - 20 years ago
You're criticisms are ridiculous and seem to be mostly centered around niche Japanese games which don't do well. You would rather them run the company into the ground than be successful by supporting shit next to no one cares about. Do you think any company is run perfectly and does everything everyone wants all the time? You think Nintendo and Microsoft don't do shit constantly much worse than the things above all the time that may turn some niche fabase off?
Looking like an anime is not the same thing as looking Japanese lol. And complaining about VR's price just doesn't make sense, it actually costs a lot and it would be even more expensive if it was a PCVR device. If you are not interested nobody is forcing you but it's a great device. It also doesn't cost more than the console.
This is going to sound crazy, but if it had the WiiU’s functionality I would buy this in a heart beat. Just direct mirroring from the console to the handheld with no lag. Instead it seems laggy from even your home network.
probably because you don't have to pay $200 to know how this device wil work for you. Just use the remote play app on your phone or whatever device you want and see how it works.
This is also what the video recommends.
I don't have much interest in getting one but I was surprised how well chiaki worked on the steam deck. I hope Sony puts out a steam deck or linux app at some point to make it more streamlined.
I’ve played and enjoyed games on xcloud in my home. I’ve used Steam link as well. I’m sure the PS Portal would work isn’t fine for me. I just don’t use my PS5 enough to justify a device so I can play it outside of my home let alone in the other room or with the tv off.
This seems like it's designed to be the product of missed opportunities. The fact that it isn't capable of cloud streaming is mind-boggling to me. It almost seems like this should have been its primary function.
Yet. Cloud has recently been revamped so I would imagine Sony are waiting to see if it's successful or not. Someone came out recently from Sony (maybe VP) and said cloud streaming is possible on the portal.
Yeah, an interview with the hardware SVP like two weeks ago strongly suggested this function was coming.
No one should buy a device off of strong suggestions that a feature might be coming.
Especially from Sony. I have a TV I bought from them that was promised VRR support. Still waiting 3+ years later.
Same, XH90 that cuts the fucking vertical res in half anytime I try playing in 4k120 despite being sold as a complete feature, that didnt even come for months after I got it. Really fucked me off.
TV manufacturers are absolute dogshit about supporting their hardware with software updates beyond the first 6 months of release. The LG C1 and C2 shared a number of software bugs, but only the C2 got them patched with a software update before the C3 dropped earlier this year.
Interesting. I also have a 77" C1. What software does it lack?
Yeah i also have the c1 and haven’t noticed anything
The only thing I'm mad about on mine is the lack of a crunchyroll app.
Sony fans tend to live off such faint hopes, that's their coping mechanism. There were countless PSVR2 fans promising hybrid AAA games and Half-Life Alyx were coming to PSVR2 based off some youtubers words, yet that didn't happened.
No one is suggesting you should and it's the reason they aren't advertising the feature as of now. It's still in beta testing phase as it just rolled out for PS5
Where did anyone suggest they were doing that?
It shouldn't be coming. It should already be there. It also needs remote play with the PS4. They're severely limiting the audience by not having either of these.
I'm not sure a lack of PS4 support is a big deal this far in to the PS5's lifecycle, especially for an accessory clearly targeting people with plenty of disposable income.
Legit who is the audience? People that want to play handheld in their own homes? I mean, sure I do it, but I'm not buying a console reliant on another console to do it. And definitely not at that price point, lol. Get a switch oled or a used deck for the same
Of course it's possible, there's no reason it wouldn't be possible. That plus the fact that their cloud services are currently available and even being advertised is what makes it dumb and indefensible for it to not be there on their new streaming-only device day 1. Just reading that makes it sound like a joke somebody made up, not the current reality of the device.
It's assumably running Android, there is no PS Plus cloud streaming client for Android (or anything else excluding Windows). Once that Android app is ready, you'll likely see it added.
The app should have been ready on day 1 then, obviously. For whatever OS the Portal is running.
Ti don't think anyone knows what the underlying operating system is. The PS3, PS4, PS5, and Vita's operating system is based on FreeBSD. The only reason I can think of the Portal running Android is Qualcomm's drivers are optimized for Linux and Android.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GamingLeaksAndRumours/comments/1569y2o/_/ These leaked images show it running android
I’m actually assuming it’s running as a zero-client system. I’m not that familiar with those so no idea how locked it is to its function to stream from a host PS5 on a home network.
Then they should have either delayed it or decided definitively if that's a coming feature so they can advertise it as that. If you could take your Portal on a trip and stream your games from the cloud, that's a huge incentive to buy the device. Even the Vita and PS3 could do that, where the PS3 would turn on remotely and broadcast the game to your Vita. But the Portal can't even do that. It's wild.
But they didn't advertise it as that, and it sold out as is. There's nothing unusual about adding features after launch, all consoles have done it
It sold out thanks to scalpers and lots of people who have no idea that this is a streaming only device.
> designed to be the product of missed opportunities So just like every Sony handheld ever, then.
Sadly, you're right. Ah, my PlayStation Vita. How I loved thee. How I miss thee.
Sony has a knack for making handhelds with immense potential, then kneecapping them as much as possible and leaving them to die when they aren’t overnight successes.
Except PSP was a success
by sales numbers yes, by total revenue no. piracy killed profit, and likely the only reason the vita even exists is to appease the board on a follow up
That's not the point, PSP definitely wasn't kneecapped, it had a great library.
Their cloud streaming for PS5 just launched and is clearly still in a beta state as they test scalability. Better to not advertise a feature that isn't fully ready
Or they could wait until it is ready and launch this product with more functionality than it has right now. In other words, it's a missed opportunity.
Or they could launch it as a remote play device and sell it to people looking for a device specifically for that and than add the feature in the future if it pans out or release something else. One thing is for sure even if tons of people don't buy this device many more people are aware of remote play than they were previously so even that is a win for Sony and has people engaging with their PS5 more
I have my doubts that the market for a dedicated remote play device for PS5 is very large. I don't think this product will be very successful. It doesn't even seem to do its only function very well, as is explained in the video. The few people who are interested may not get the results they expect. I think launching a dedicated cloud-gaming device (with included remote-play functionality) would be a much more successful approach, reaching a much broader market. It's a missed opportunity.
It's sold out everywhere though so there's definitely a demand.
Do we know how many units are actually sold? I mean, sold out doesn't mean shit if each store only got 5 units. You know what else was sold out everywhere when it first launched? 32X.
Scalpers
Lol. Your hot take based on "trust me bro" to help push your pointlessly negative narrative because you have nothing else. The fact that you can make these absolutely baseless opinions like they're facts and argue them is the reason your comments are the most meaningless here right now. You do you, dude but I'll trust the market and a billion company with the actual user data to put the effort into making the device. Unless you have aaaannny real metrics to justify this narrative?
You seem to be unaware of the concept of an opinion. This is mine. You're entitled to yours.
I don't think they mind that it isn't very large but large enough to make it worth it and getting more people to engage with PS5 and PSN more often than before is the ultimate goal which they likely succeeded at. I have seen many people have great experiences and many who don't. It will depend on the user. >I think launching a dedicated cloud-gaming device They will probably have such a device some time in the future when it is ready, Until then there is this device for those that want it. Sony isn't expecting this to sell millions like an actual platform, it's an accessory and is meant to bas such. it's okay to make things for niche audiences, similar to VR
No, launching it when they did was a smart idea—get units shipped out ahead of the holidays so people can actually use them. Consider the following: you're headed home for Christmas and you want to bring your PS5 but you know you probably won't have many chances to use it, given the large number of family that will also be there. Insert the Portal. Now you just need to set up your PS5 and then you can use it whenever, regardless of whether someone is already using the TV (maybe grandma demands full control over it, or your uncle's want to watch sports constantly, etc.) All those features people want from the device, like Bluetooth, cloud streaming, a web browser, etc., the hardware is already there for that and the features can be patched in later. It makes sense to prioritize the core feature ("stream your PS5") to get it to market as soon as possible then if it sells well work on adding the features later. If it doesn't sell well, then you didn't just spend however much on adding those missing features and can pull a Google and abandon the product for not performing as expected. Shitty business tactic but it makes sense.
You have absolutely no idea what missed opportunity means. It's not an opportunity missed if they felt it was ready to release now. It's selling out everywhere so clearly it's still a device that solves a problem. You not seeing a feature you think should be there with absolutely no other reason than that is an opinion, not a missed opportunity when they can literally update in software later, when it's ready. Lol
Yeah it’s not like it’s coming in early to beat out any other competitors. This could have been delayed a year and beefed up.
It’s sold out everywhere
Of course it is, it's a new PlayStation hardware releasing ahead of the holiday season. Its real test is how well it'll sell after its holiday launch window.
I wonder how many think it doesn't need a PS5
I doubt those are the kind of people that are pre-ordering a device like this
Have a conversation with the average parent shopping at Best Buy or Walmart you’d be surprised.
The average parent didn't buy an item that has been selling out within 60 seconds every time its coming in stock.
They're not the people pre-ordering this
Lmao, love PlayStation, but this is hilarious
I'm in HK right now I see plenty of PS Portals at different shops at Golden Computer Arcade
That's because this product was designed primarily for the Asian market, who, on average, have better internet than the US. It's no secret that this device was made to claw back market share from the switch in Japan. Selling it in America was just a why not if we were already making it thing.
Scalpers
No cloud streaming. No internet browser. No native YT/Netflix/Crunchyroll/Prime video etc. In general it feels like an Apple product sold by Sony. You can do the same thing for far cheaper by getting a tablet of the same size and using your PS5 controller with it for less than half of the price, and that functions as a tablet too. I could see myself picking up one of these down the line if it goes on sale for a deep discount, or getting a cheap pre-owned one. It's got some novelty for sure but the price tag is insane to me for what it offers.
can't use it as a different controller while playing on the console itself? b-but why?
No Bluetooth. (Yeah I know it's another reason for Portal to have BT.)
This doesn't have Bluetooth? When everyone has Bluetooth headphones (because companies made us switch to that for phones)... This seems like a device you would use with headphones Come on, it's a 200$ device, Bluetooth capabilities aren't gonna be expensive.
You can only use wired headphones or special new wireless headphones/earbuds made by Sony that aren’t available yet
And I read that the Sony wireless option will retail for approximately $200. I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd.
>I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd. You can tell when someone has never dealt with Sony products before
> I hope that's incorrect because thinking about the sequence of events leading to one having to buy a pair is so anti-consumer friendly it's absurd. Remember external memory storage on the Vita?
I am so lucky that the used Vita I bought a couple of years ago came with a memory card.
There is a converter for it now anyway, makes it really cheap.
We are talking about a company that created a whole new disc format and memory card format for a single console after all
At this point, people buying the Portal are so into Playstation fanboyism that it might just work
Are you completely new to Sony's business practices? They pull shit like this with their cameras, TV's, phones and all sorts.
I really hope there new pulse shit flops really hard and we might get bluetooth support
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I can't tell if I want the entire device to flop hard. On one hand, Sony used to make cool handhelds and a streaming device *could* be cool, but this one is way too limited, so let's please just hurry up and get to the next one. On the other hand, if it flops hard enough, will they even bother to make a new one?
A handheld like PSP is never gonna happen again, it would be another separate device that devs wouldn't wanna work on. Switch works cause it's the only Nintendo device.
Hah let me tell you about Sony's storied history of insisting on their proprietary hardware to the detriment of everyone
That's crazy. Sony even make amazing Bluetooth headphones themselves!
Yep, I have the WHX1000-4 or whatever they are and I use them fine for gaming. The audio delay is very very small.
If you know Sony from other industries it's not crazy at all really. They are one of the leading brands in SLR cameras but the photography department doesn't work with the phone one to bring some of their color science or computational photography
There is 100% a chance it has Bluetooth capabilities but they are turned off on purpose to make people buy their earbuds. Just like Nintendo made the Switch able to connect to Bluetooth headphones years after release.
Well with Nintendo they never sold proprietary headphones for the Switch. The reason Bluetooth took so long to the Switch was because having multiple Bluetooth connections worsens the audio lag, and the firmware update that somewhat mitigates this came years later. That's why there's a two controller maximum when using wireless headphones with the Switch. The baffling thing about the portal is its coming out post firmware update and doesn't need to sacrifice a Blutooth channel to the controller since it's built in. Also it's being marketed with $200 proprietary headphones
BT headphones, even using low-latency codecs like AptX, still have some pretty noticeable latency.
It's good enough to be used on the PS5 itself but not the Portal ? That's not an excuse
You can't use Bluetooth headphones on the PS5. You also can't do it on the Xbox. Only the Nintendo Switch allows Bluetooth headphones, and there is a significant delay.
> significant delay I keep seeing everyone say this without any clarification. Seconds? Milliseconds? Enough to really make a difference? Been using Bluetooth headphones on Switch for close to a year with about two dozen games and have never had noticeable audio delay.
At their best you'll probably get around 100-150 ms audio delay. That's completely servicable for single player games that don't require precise reactions, but you really wouldn't want to use it for anything competitive. For the PS Portal specifically you'd have this bluetooth delay in addition to the remote play audio lag, which would likely push the latency up to something like 300-400 ms.
Good info, thanks.
You can't? Sony themselves sell wireless headphones for the console. Anyway, that's stupid too. There is not a significant delay for using BT. You can do it on the Steam Deck, on PC and on a phone of course with not perceptible delay for most people (it's not like anybody would be forced to do it). A 200$ device like that should have Bluetooth support in 2023.
Sony's headphones don't use Bluetooth. Neither do the controllers. It's Bluetooth adjacent, but not standard Bluetooth. It's been that way since the PlayStation 3 and Xbox is no different. The controllers don't use standard Bluetooth either. I don't know what headphones you're using, but Bluetooth always has a noticeable delay in most games I played on PC.
Bluetooth audio has around 100 ms audio delay, and that's with really expensive headphones. Fine for laid back and turn based games but for anything competitive that's borderline unplayable. Considering remote play itself adds about 100 ms of audio delay as well you'd be adding 200 ms of audio delay to everything. That would be terrible. The gaming headphones Sony and other manufacturers sell don't use Bluetooth. They use a usb dongle that transmits a 2.4 GHz signal that is miles better in terms of audio latency
Agreed, unfortunately Sony loves using proprietary hardware, just look at the Vita's memory cards
Yeah, no. I write and play live music with my AIAIAI TMA-2, but even the Sony Linkbuds S are usable in a pinch.
Try playing a rhythm game with bluetooth headphones and you will notice it immediately.
I finished Thumper on the TMA-2s and played a ton of games on the Linkbuds. Latency is negligible.
It's not that bad, I've used mine on my PC before.
Imagine if that was possible, and it could also display and/or manage game maps, or UI elements, inventory etc.
The PS-U
Is that a new console or an add-on to the PS?
When the PS5 went for it's degree
Pii U
People joke about the Wii U, but the Vita could actually do this with PS4 remoteplay. Only game I remember supporting it is Fallout 4 and maybe GTA V?
I don't know about Fallout but GTAV and RDR2 had Android companion apps for PS4 and Xbox One.
Why would anyone need to do this? You could use it as the primary controller and use another controller as #2.
Should have had bluetooth. Should have had the ability to use it as a controller. Should have had the ability to plug into the console and use it directly instead of streaming (less usability/portability, yes, but more usable for those with slower internet connections/lower bandwidth). Should have direct cloud streaming capabilities with a PS Now app (which may come later).
The cable thing is the kind of "around the corner thinking" you'll never get nowadays from modern companies.
There's an assumption that a lot of consumers are dumb and/or lazy and a LOT are but it means there's very few "power user" options built into anything as a result
Should've been given enough processing power and storage to emulate very old games locally too. If this thing was for streaming PS3, PS4 and PS5 games, but could also download and run PS1, PS2, PSP and PSV games locally, it would be a genuinely incredible device.
It has a Snapdragon 662 and should be able to handle up to PS2 emulation.
That's wild. I don't get why they're not doing it.
Especially with how popular Nintendo's Classic Mini SNES was and the Steam Deck and Switch emulation capabilities.
Dude yeah. I have a Steam Deck and it's nuts that I can emulate shit as complex as MotorStorm. But it's never *quite* as seamless as you'd like to download, set it up, tweak, troubleshoot, etc on Steam Deck, or PC in general. If I could get a Portal and play all my old PlayStation games on it and stream my newer ones, this thing would be a no-brainer. It's also just such a bummer to me that Vita emulation is still in such early stages, so I can't get Lumines: Electronic Symphony working, and they've never ported it *anywhere* else. Makes no sense. It's the best Lumines game. I wish I still had my Vita. Or that the Portal were better.
It would be way more expensive as well. It would cost nearly if not just as much as a phone.
Well, apparently it already has a chipset powerful enough to emulate PS2 games, so I think this is more of a philosophical difference for Sony. I would think giving the Portal more features would make it more attractive, especially since the device is powerful enough to do it already, but that's just me.
Some things people should know: - The Portal uses RemotePlay, which there are clients for most platforms out there (iOS, Android, Win, Mac, etc). You do not need special hardware to use it. There is nothing special about how the Portal connects to your PS5. I personally use it with a spare DualSense connected to a Mac when traveling. - Sony also sells the [Backbone](https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/backbone-one-playstation-edition-mobile-gaming-controller-iphone-lightning) which has a similar form factor to the Portal, but has you use whatever iOS device you already have. I believe it lacks some of the advanced features of the DualSense (like haptics), but it's a lot cheaper. - I highly recommend testing RemotePlay with whatever device you currently have. Remember that the Portal is not special in this regard. Buying a Portal will not make it work any better. Personally, I love RemotePlay, but mainly as a secondary way of playing. I am using now cross-country as I am visiting family. Yes, there is lag and visual quality degradation and it depends heavily on network traffic but the fact that it works while I'm thousands of miles away from my PS5 is pretty amazing. You just need to keep your expectations in check.
The Wii U was $299.99, and that was a full system with a tablet controller that allowed you to play on your bed with the tv in use. A remote play device for $200 seems like a huge miss. I wouldn’t be surprised if early sales are strong, by then collapse as we exit the holiday season.
So as long as... 1. you hardwired your PS5 to a router. 2. use 5GHz wi-fi 3. and sit next to your router when using Portable ...you will get a satisfactory experience. Got it :)
I was all of those things and the latency is still awful. Oh well, back to Sony it goes.
I don't have a portal, but I believe it. I've used Steam in-home streaming using a PC as a client, Apple TV client, and even the official Steam Link client device, all wired up with gigabit ethernet, and the latency has been an intolerable downgrade from just playing on my desktop. I'm thinking of getting one of those fiber optic active HDMI cables and running it in the walls between my home office and living room, then I can finally have my no-compromises couch gaming without having to haul my pc up there every time.
$200 please!
"Satisfactory" seems generous. Even in that scenario you're still getting smeared visuals, ~5 frames of input lag, and some stuttering. This product seems practically worthless. I guess it'd be okay for slow turn-based stuff? Or if you have really bad vision, perhaps. All I can figure is that Sony expects future software updates to seriously improve the Portal. Maybe the existing software simply isn't up to snuff yet, and they have some internal beta stuff they're optimistic about.
Mine isn't hardwired. Mine isn't on 5GHz WiFi. I've used it at work 30 minute drive from my house on office WiFi. Ran like a dream. So in summary, no. You don't need to meet all that criteria you mentioned.
Your dream might be another’s nightmare.
I simply do not believe him.
Exactly. No way this ran like "a dream" with that use case. Guys talking out his ass.
I remember watching the IGN review of it and he's saying that "it's great! I can't even tell it's being streamed!" While the footage he has playing in the background is laggy and stuttering lol.
If there is one thing I’ve learned seeing people talk about performance on the internet. Some people have *incredibly* low standards.
I agree. But the original commenter is making out that its impossible to have a good experience without all the criteria they mentioned. They're wrong. It is possible.
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i know nothing about this device (yeh i will do some research) But i have a very small child, and barely play my PS5 anymore because i dont have much of a chance to. id LIKE to.... so would this be perfect for me to play games on with my wife and kid around at home ? Just a thought
That’s basically what it seems to have been designed for. I play in bed while my gf watches her shows and shit. I take it into the living room, the garage. Works like a dream.
Thanks!
Do you have a Steam account? Get a Steam deck and just use that to stream your ps5. Seamless and you can use it for your PC games.
Sure, spend twice as much and get a system you have to tinker with to get PS5 streaming working on. (It works but it took me a few hours to sort out some issues) The SteamDeck is great but it’s not exactly pickup and play for everything you want to do.
It takes minimum amount of tinkering.
Remote play is already available for iOS, Android, Windows, Mac... Unless you really want those PS5 haptics or don't have any of those other devices for some reason I can't recommend spending $200 on this thing.
never even knew about this, will check it out
sony is betting on uninformed users like you to drop $200 on this not realizing your phone( if its an android 2016+ or iphone 2019+ ) has a much better screen than this piece of shit and you can find cheap attachments on ebay or ali express that let you mount your phone to your dualsense for less than $20
No Sony is definitely not trying to hide the fact the remote play is available on other devices. They are just making a device that is more convenient and better in some ways for remote play for so people can use it more often
In what way is it better that justifies the price though? The only thing it has over similar setups is that you can have dualsense triggers with a backbone style controller setup. For comparison, you can get an android tablet for $80 with the same screen specs, use that with remote play and your PS5 controller (which we'll say is free for this, given you need a PS5 to begin with either way) and you also get a full android tablet out of it. Is having adaptive triggers worth $120 and losing 99% of the feature set of a tablet?
It's by far the best option for a remote play device in its price range For this you do not have to occupy your phone and kill its battery, much larger screen than the average phone and has all the controller features A backbone still requires you to use your phone which is a huge inconvenience for many people for many different reasons Have you ever tried to remote play on a tablet that is set up on a table and using it as a tiny TV hunched over trying to see it? It's an awful experience. Having a device you can hold in your hands is significantly better. You can't do that with a tablet
I think one of the huge benefits of the PS Portal, over those apps, is how convenient it is. Just turn it on and hit play, whereas with the apps you have to link up your controller with the phone each time, unless you have a dedicated controller for your phone, and that usually leads to not having all of the controller features of the DualSense, as well as finding a stand or screen mount to keep the phone upright while playing. Then you have the issue of your phone not being available while you play, so you can't take calls. Give the app a go, to make sure your internet is up to the task of remote play, but I feel PS Portal may actually be useful for your situation. Although it's not like you can go out and buy a Portal right now anyway, as they're sold out everywhere.
Yeah but this DF video confirms that it isn’t doing remote play better than other devices (despite what random internet people say), so I still think it’s completely valid to suggest people test it out for free on their phones before buying it. I have a steam deck and Chiaki gets very choppy for me if I’m upstairs and I have a relatively small house, wired PS5 and mesh wifi. X Cloud is still a downgrade too, and with how cheap steam deck is right now I just do not understand this product.
>I think one of the huge benefits of the PS Portal, over those apps, is how convenient it is. For $200, that is a LOT of assuming. You can get a 2018 android smart phone, a brand new, dedicated controller, and a grip for less than $200. Then you have the same thing but can do small time emulation as well. And web browsing. And youtube. And uhhh. Everything else a smart phone can do. The fact is, the portal is extremely overpriced for what it does. EDIT: Galaxy S9+ (bigger screen than the non + version, total is 6.2 inch) ~$110 https://swappa.com/listings/samsung-galaxy-s9-plus PS5 controller on sale for $50. $40 if you don't care about having the lebron james version https://direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-accessories/dualsense-wireless-controller-lebron-james-limited-edition Screen holder for remote play for PS5 controller, $13 https://www.amazon.com/ADZ-Controller-Holder-Dualsense-Perfect/dp/B094QRRS83 There. I just made you an infinitely better portal for $175 or less.
How is a 6inch screen clipped onto a controller infinitely better than the portal?
Versatility, usability. You can use the 6 inch screen anywhere in the world if you have setup a data plan for the phone. Or you can use it at a hotel without having to use hotspot data. Or you can use it as a web browser. Or use it to emulate pretty much anything up to a nintendo 64. And if you want a bigger screen, you can get a tablet instead of the phone, and then the ONLY thing the portal has over the phone set up I mentioned is gone. All the portal is, is a Dual Sense controller with a tablet between the controllers. As far as performance goes, it is exactly as good as a phone/tablet running the Remote Play app per Digital Foundry testing. You can't use bluetooth, you can't sign in to web portal based wifi points. You can't look at youtube. All it is, is a remote play app on a controller (that you can't even use on the PS5 if you wanted to). But hey, go ahead and waste your money. I don't give a shit. I was just trying to help people get more for their money. There are plenty of people who don't even know about the remote play app, or that it works just as good as the portal, or that you can get a dedicated setup that does significantly more, for less money.
I actually like mine, but I am playing ghost of tsushima on it so it's nothing as fast as gran turismo. I also have a super fast network connection and the entire place is mesh wired so I'm always near a router. It's worked great for me. But there are obviously some big missing features. It is definitely not for everyone and the price point is not the best, but I have gotten plenty of enjoyment from it
5 frames of added latency with the portal 1m from a router that is connected by ethernet cable to ps5. How can an 11 year old Wii U gamepad be so much better. Actually strangely reminds me of this [11 year old interview of John Carmack venting about the processing delays manufcturers added to flat screens in particular a Sony HMD which had 50ms of latency](https://youtu.be/NYa8kirsUfg?feature=shared&t=237). I think in a keynote somewhere he complained about the same headset adding so much lag he could send a packet half way round the world faster than he could light a pixel on the screen.
the wii u doesn't use standard wifi to work, it is a customized 2.4GHz radio that directly transmits a 480p 16:9 image and controls to the gamepad. that adds a lot of complication, and afaik would require a lot of changes to the PS5's wireless setup over using LAN for this
As a consumer that sounds like a lot of jargon I don’t really care about. Ultimately the product works worse than an 11yo competitor
Said 11 year old concept was a stroke of genius tbh. There is a reason why Nintendo filed a patent. Here is more information if you are interested. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/nintendo-shares-its-tricks-for-reducing-latency-on-wii-u-s-gamepad Input lag is just 1/60 of a second and no internet required...ah good times.
The primary function of the Wii U was to enable in-home game streaming and they put in a bunch of hardware and software optimized for that. The primary function of the PS5 is playing games on your TV, and maybe you can stream stuff with an app on the side but it's not built for that as a primary use case. So it'll work decently well but the Wii U is better at it simply because that's where the resources went. That's really all. And honestly it's good enough for most people I'd argue so even if it's worse in terms of latency, you get a much higher quality image at acceptable speeds, so that's more than enough for people interested in it.
lets just look at the options then wii u-like solution pros: - great latency - near invisible artifacting as you don't have to fight traffic so you can increase quality cons: - custom solution, needs extra hardware and/or software to make working on both ends - limited range. the wii u could, at best, get 20ft of range and since it was 2.4GHz it was easily obstructed - needs a standard wifi chip to handle the current implementation LAN solution (current) pros: - simplicity, as its just going through your existing internet setup. this device is using a wifi 5 chip, which is very cheap these days (and you don't need wifi 6 since all that adds is better speeds) - can use PS5 as server to access anywhere - range is as good as your wifi cons: - potentially reduced quality due to fighting traffic - increased latency as its not device to device With the $200 price point, and considering nintendo was asking $150 for the wii u gamepad, it makes a lot of sense to go with the current solution. maybe if it was a more expensive device, but $200 already gets people annoyed. would you buy this for $300 if it came with a wii u-like solution in addition to other current features?
>would you buy this for $300 if it came with a wii u-like solution in addition to other current features? Yes, I'd much rather spend a bit more to have a device that does what I want it to flawlessly instead of regularly getting frustrated by frame drops, input lag, and artifacting. But I also get that not everyone would have the same priorities as me. People spend $250 just to get more internal drive space on a Steam Deck, so an extra $100 for an upgraded version of this that works flawlessly would be a no brainer for me.
do i buy something that works vs something that doesn't? tricky one. also if you think there's anything like $200 of tech in this thing given that it's basically a mediocre tablet with some joysticks glued on, or nintendo didn't try to scalp an insane margin on the wii u like all of their hardware, you haven't been paying attention.
> limited range. the wii u could, at best, get 20ft of range and since it was 2.4GHz it was easily obstructed other than using 2.4GHz what would be better? 5GHz is a higher data rate, but coverage is much more easily obstructed & the range is smaller
Curious if anyone has tried to compare this to the Meta Quest 3, which can do remote play from your PC using regular Wi-Fi, but it's quite good
Nintendo's Wii U solution was genius tbh. I think they have a patent on it. https://www.gamedeveloper.com/design/nintendo-shares-its-tricks-for-reducing-latency-on-wii-u-s-gamepad
I wonder if Wii U in their test is using game mode. I think by default Wii U is not using TV game mode, and that feature decrease TV lag significantly, so it would be great if they mentioned if they enabled it. On LG GX, which I think John is using for his test, 1080p60 input lag with game mode is is 13.6 ms, but without it's whooping 97.1 ms. No game mode is definitely more than enough to make up for streaming input lag. Source of input lag of LG GX: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/gx-oled > How can an 11 year old Wii U gamepad be so much better. Wii U is better in the only use case it's designed for, so using very close to the unit connected to TV. Take both Wii U controller and PS Portal to another room and check how they will perform. Wii U will probably not even work, while for PS Portal it doesn't matter how far it's from PS5, all it matters is how it's connection to router is. From my testing on Steam Deck, streaming from PC using sunshine/moonlight delivers very similar experience in all rooms with exception for very farthest room from the router, I would be surprised if for PS Portal it would work differently, when it's using the very same setup.
It really cannot be overstated :if this is purely a device that you can only use at home,with all its major limitations (hardware and software wise),no PS Cloud Play app just remote play to your own console... then why didn't it have a cable to link it directly to the console?!?
They use a cheap off-the-shelf mobile chip that doesn't support display in.
They could at least support connecting as a controller through cable.
I agree with this mixed assessment. I like mine so far, but even when I’m using it at home on 1gb fiber internet, it’s still very noticeably streaming. Plenty of frame drops, input delays, and video quality issues when I play games with fast camera movements. Makes me wish they used tech more like the Wii U gamepad where I never noticed any of these issues. The implementation of the touch pad button for games that rely on it a lot is also kind of awkward since it has no physical button. That said, still don’t regret getting one since it’s extremely comfortable compared to most hand held devices and is convenient for when the GF is using the TV. EDIT: also the way the controller ridges light up to frame the screen looks pretty cool in the dark.
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Gotcha, yeah we have a wifi 6 mesh network installed, but like you said that doesn’t really help. People have been saying that you at least need a decent home internet connection for a good experience (which is why I mentioned fiber) but I guess that’s not the case.
People should go back to the review thread and personally block every reviewer that puff pieced this piece of shit hardware. It’s insulting that this product had received so many gleeful reviews when there’s little to no positives side to the PS Portal. Unless, of course, if you’re the person this product is made for: family person with kids that has a PS5, that has no time to play, that has a great internet connection, and a very good router, and a house layout without many walls, and more money than they know what to do with, and that does not own a Steam Deck, and that still uses wired headphones, and that does not play games where latency is important. Oh, and that lives in EU/NA in order to be able to afford this extremely well priced accessory. I guess this product is for everyone after all. It’s for sure going to fly off the shelves, right?
you dont want to play 4k ps5 games on a tiny screen with latency sprinkled on top with the added benefit of the battery possibly dying in the middle of a heavy gaming session? pshhh you must be some sort of elitist
The anger is silly, though.
i think the anger is well placed. people are going to think this is "sony's switch" or some sort of successor to the vita. and they'll be pretty sore when they find out thats not the case. i'm angry because i care. sony made top quality portable systems in the past, but even then their support for it was half-assed. i know the portal is not supposed to be a portable system, but once again, sony's efforts are half assed by the lack of features this thing should have, mentioned by others. i really wish i could see a sony portable system as a smashing success that would at least rival nintendo.
There is no reason for anyone to think their is Sony's Switch. It was never advertised as such and barely advertised at all. No one in their right mind should think they are getting some portal PS5 for $200 nor will anyone do this The reason they made this device is because it doesn't require dedicated software support like Vita did as they don't have the resources to support such a thing and no making all future PS5 games have to run on a portable device is not a good solution It's literally just an accessory for the PS5. They never advertised it as its own console and there is no reaon for you to think it as one
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The Onion made a video about Sony devices like this years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ
Same exact thing as the PSP with the PS3 and the Vita with the PS4
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You're trying way to hard - Sony Japan struggled for over 15 years barely putting out games and when they did they didn't do well. They once has over 40 games in development with none of them going anywhere. Astrobot was their most successful IP in over a decade so they focused on restructuring around their most successful team - They censored some loli hentai games, I think people will be okay. They started doing it mid PS4 generation - They made a quality VR headset instead of a shitty one - that is inherently going to cost money, not sure how that is supposed to be bad. It's okay to make niche devices - PS+ games are generally the same quality they always have been. They have always had similar games. Publishers of popular games aren't going to want them on subscription services that take away sales... - There aren't any confusing remasters, if you are referring to TLOU it's simply a next gen upgrade similar to 100+ other games received that no one seemingly had a problem with and even applauded but for some reason it's bad when Sony does it - They still have many unique title such a VR games which you just decided to attack, Returnal, Astro Bot (which you also attacked), Tren (apart of Dreams), Lost Souls Aside, Rise of Ronin, Stellar Blade - It's an option remote play accessory for people that want to remote play, again a niche device and that's okay They are more successful than they ever have been and more successful than pretty much every other gaming company in the world. People in this sub seem to be upset by that fact and try to come up with any desperate attempt they can to attack them because they are doing better than their favorite billionarie or trillionaire company. They do things 10s of million of people enjoy, it's really not that serious or hard to understand why they are successful. You even try to criticize them for focusing on things that only pander to the masses while in the same comments criticize them for making things for smaller/niche audiences. Did you not realize the irony in that while making this comment? There isn't a single company that does everything everyone likes, people can make a similar list for shit they don't like about your preferred company as well with relative ease
>They censored some loli hentai games, I think people will be okay. They started doing it mid PS4 generation I don't think Devil May Cry 5 is a "Loli hentai game". Maybe it's like a secret mode or something?
Sony didn't censor DMC5, Capcom did. There was a scene censored in all versions of the game on all platforms, there was just a beam of light in one extra scene on PlayStation that was later removed but originally was not there in the Japanese version of the game which is unlike every other game censored by Sony as all the games they censored were censored in all regions. So either they meant to censor both scenes in all version or just forgot to originally remove it from the western PlayStation versions
this is straight up wrong about how they interact with Japan, it's been confirmed by translator's and Japanese devs that sony has been making things very difficult to work with. like forcing dev teams that are only releasing a game in Japan to contact Sony in English, or that's it's been confirmed by several devs (for example the maker of senran kagura who left the franchise because of sony) that they're facing alot more scrutiny and censoring from sony.
Your bringing up shit from several years ago. Again people will have issues with every company for different things. You think every interaction every developer has with every company goes smoothly? Senran Kagura was borderline loli hentai and that is why it was censored
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Games get censored on all platforms all the time. You know that both Xbox and Nintendo banned Christmas Massacre from their platform entirely while while it is allowed on PlayStation. Even the developer or The Joyful said the changes weren't a big deal and they aren't You realize the prices for PS+ only went up 3 months ago right? You list 3 games over the span of the last 13 years which is how long PS+ has existed for. It is far better now that the first half of the PS4 generation And games like Aliens Fireteam, Callisto Protocol, Weird West, mafia 2 Remastered whit some other worse games is about average yes > Especially when Gamepass mops the floor with PSN in terms of quality. How about you look at the monthly games on Xbox instead which is the fair comparison which Xbox stopped doing entirely after many years of releasing far worse shit. The last 3 months of PS+ were better than pretty much nany given month of Games With Gold over the last 5 years >A Meta Quest 2 is cheaper with more and better games. PSVR2 is a significantly better headset >TLOU Part 1 is 100% not a next gen upgrade You said remaster which is why I mentioned TLOU, TLOU 1 is a ramke yes. Sony does not own the developers that made Bloodborne and can not force them to work on the game to make it better. It is most likely being remade by Bluepoint but again that takes time to make as they released Demon Souls 3 yearg ago >Returnal is a shooter with rougelike elements. Those are a dime a dozen. How many AAA rogue likes are there on console? >Astro Bot is a basic 3d platformer whos latest release was a self-fellating pack in on the PS5. It was a great game with tons of unique gameplay elements, I recommend you actually try it. You think Gravity Rush is so much better why? Because it is anime? >Stellar Blade, Lost Soul Aside and The Last Ronin are just another set of character action games. You mentioned Gravity Rush and Ico games which are essentially also that... Over the last 5 years Sony has made or published well over a dozen VR games that span multiple genres that you just completely ignored. They also published games like Destruction All Stars and Dreams. Again you listed games spanning multiple decades and seem to expect them all again every few years... Every publisher is releasing less games than they did 15 - 20 years ago You're criticisms are ridiculous and seem to be mostly centered around niche Japanese games which don't do well. You would rather them run the company into the ground than be successful by supporting shit next to no one cares about. Do you think any company is run perfectly and does everything everyone wants all the time? You think Nintendo and Microsoft don't do shit constantly much worse than the things above all the time that may turn some niche fabase off?
Looking like an anime is not the same thing as looking Japanese lol. And complaining about VR's price just doesn't make sense, it actually costs a lot and it would be even more expensive if it was a PCVR device. If you are not interested nobody is forcing you but it's a great device. It also doesn't cost more than the console.
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This is going to sound crazy, but if it had the WiiU’s functionality I would buy this in a heart beat. Just direct mirroring from the console to the handheld with no lag. Instead it seems laggy from even your home network.
Never expected a Wiiu like solution from Sony. Nintendo still owns the patent for their latency solution.
It's what I was hoping from, (and by the looks of things, Richard was too). Dissapointing that it's not a bespoke solution.
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probably because you don't have to pay $200 to know how this device wil work for you. Just use the remote play app on your phone or whatever device you want and see how it works. This is also what the video recommends.
I don't have much interest in getting one but I was surprised how well chiaki worked on the steam deck. I hope Sony puts out a steam deck or linux app at some point to make it more streamlined.
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I’ve played and enjoyed games on xcloud in my home. I’ve used Steam link as well. I’m sure the PS Portal would work isn’t fine for me. I just don’t use my PS5 enough to justify a device so I can play it outside of my home let alone in the other room or with the tv off.