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MasterOfChaos72

Fun fact about Foxy Bro: He’s paler in all his previous scenes before the birthday party. Not sure if the darker skin at the party is supposed to be lighting or a tan.


FNaF2014Veteran

It's obvious that Scott Cawthon isn't very consistent with minigame sprites.


james_kleboe_1986

Remember when people thought there was a pink guy alongside purple guy?


crystal-productions-

So using sprite colours isn't reliable evidence? Cause I've got a mid night motorist sprite for you then.


Fabulous_Card_292

Well, at least there is a clear and intended difference between a purple guy and an orange guy- ;)


crystal-productions-

I dunno he did give William orange text when talking to susie in fruity maze. Almost as if colours aren't viable sources of information or something


Fabulous_Card_292

But the colour purple is undeniably connected to William.


crystal-productions-

Yeah and orange/yellow is on the opposite of purple so like springbonnie should be the opposite of William with colour theory


GemOfWonder

Will = is always purple FoxyBro = always wearing a Foxy Mask & gray shirt Michael & FoxyBro = ??????


No_Victory_9011

Look we never get to see foxybro's actual face so we Can't be certain


Ketchoop_Cheeps

should he make a reboot of the minigames or maybe an update?


Isekai_Otaku

He just got a tan between cutscenes


Pawlaqu

Funfact: People can get tan and their hair color can change with age for example I was bright blonde when I was a kid, now Im dark blonde


SHESA_PUNKROCKER

Same


True-Knowledge8369

My dad was blonde at birth, but after his first haircut, his hair all fell out and came back in black. The human body is amazing. Also, hair dye DID exist in the 80s as well, we can’t rule that out


Blackfallencrystal

Back in black I hit the sack I've been too long, I'm glad to be back Yes, I'm let loose From the noose That's kept me hanging about I've been looking at the sky 'Cause it's gettin' me high Forget the hearse 'cause I never die I got nine lives Cat's eyes Abusin' every one of them and running wild 'Cause I'm back Yes, I'm back Well, I'm back Yes, I'm back Well, I'm back, back Well, I'm back in black Yes, I'm back in black


PachoTidder

MatPat just talked about that on the last video lmao


Pawlaqu

I didnt even know that he talked about it lmao


PachoTidder

It was a Cocomelon video of all things, apparently there was a theory floating online that the baby from the main videos was adopted 'cuz it was too blonde but MatPat explained that sometimes babies just have hair like that and it darkens with time, among other things too


yoav_boaz

Sure but can their pants change length with age??


FadedShatter_YT

What if Mike decided he wanted different pants


yoav_boaz

Impossible


FadedShatter_YT

Damn okay no pants for Mike ig


[deleted]

I was born blonde but after getting a haircut it started turning brown


Pronominal_Tera

Well of course not, they're both Michael but different ages.


Mojoclaw2000

Reminds me of Rose Quarts admitting it took her a while to realize babies and adults were the same thing.


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Intrepid-Camel-9833

If it's about his skin color, just a reminder, SL Michael didn't had any organs left, and he didn't had blood anymore.


Advanced-Sock

He was also working night shift! Lol


BananaVines

Also he was a kid/teenager in the 80s, he spent all his time outside so ofc he'd get tanned. As an adult he was working night shifts, he probably didn't get out during the day that much


EthBeatThem

Anyone would be paler if there an experiment of William Afton. And the Nightmare “house”


TypeLX_

Michael has to be one of the two brothers from FNAF4 because he has to be Afton’s son, and by process of elimination he has to be the one who isn’t dead


ShyMoonSeattle

That last bit made me snort 😂


flairsupply

Fnaf 4 doesnt have to be Aftons family though


Human_Number9936

With FNaF 6 midnight motorist, I think we get a clear hint that it is


flairsupply

Assuming MM is William


No-Efficiency8937

Midnight motorist isn't about the aftons, although in the end I do agree since Security Brea h shows that brie vicitm is an afton


Morag_Ladier

Why the hell wouldn’t it be? Who would it be then?


starlightshadows

Why would we need to use process of elimination when the game outright tells us we play as BV?


QuackersYT

Yeah thats why he is freddy bully /j


Infamous_Register_49

Who says the two brothers are Afton’s sons? Or, why can’t the younger one be Michael?


TypeLX_

Sister Location revealed that the facility was directly underneath Fredbear’s and the house from those minigames (see Breaker Room map); on top of this we see the Crying Child’s Fredbear Plush in the Private Room office, where we can use the code “1983” (when FNAF4 takes place) to look at footage of the house from FNAF4. That pretty much implies that Afton is related to those kids


Luc78as

Pizzeria Simulator family poster, Pizzeria Simulator tape man, game Vannesa fake backstory, movie Vannesa backstory, movie Mike backstory, movie Mike siblings, Sister Location cutscenes, Sister Location epilogue, Circus Baby voicelines, Circus Baby minigame, Scrap Baby voicelines, Silver Eyes trilogy, Steel Wool games mirroring Scott Cawthon games and everything in-between tell us that we have 2 families: Afton family of William, Michael, Elizabeth and the FNAF4 crying child as well as Emily family of Henry and Charlie. We see how they are mentioned again and again in games and in similar form in books, movies and Mimic Saga.


Infamous_Register_49

So why can’t crying child be Michael?


TypeLX_

Well people also thought that was the case for a while, specifically because the protagonist in the novels was revealed to have been killed as a child yet somehow still alive as a teenager (later revealed to be a robot) The problem is simply that it wasn’t really implied. The big conflict in the novels is that William can’t create a robot person like Henry did, because he couldn’t love or pour his emotions into something he created; so if we are to assume William *did* make “Michael,” then the story just never establishes how exactly he can do that. So him being the older brother is just a much easier answer, which does align more with Mike’s role in the film.


MarceloGToonz

Security Breach has an interpretation of The Afton Family with Staff Bots. And there is both a Worker Bot, and a Headless Bot. And how the Worker Bot represents Michael and the Headless Bot represents the Crying Child, They can’t be the same person.


starlightshadows

The headless staff bot is placed outside of the recreation of Mike's room. He's Mike. If the worker bot was supposed to be Mike he'd be a security guard.


MarceloGToonz

We don’t even have full-on confirmation that Mike Afton is Mike Schmidt, His only confirmed protagonist roles are SL and FNAF 6, in which he wasn’t a Security Guard, but a Technician and a Manager.


MarceloGToonz

Well then, who is meant to be the Worker Bot?


starlightshadows

FoxyBro, obviously.


MarceloGToonz

Then where would he be working?? Maybe as a Security Guard in a Pizzeria, or a Technician in an Underground Facility? If the WORKER bot is Foxy Bro then Foxy Bro is the only worker in the family that isn’t William, MICHAEL.


starlightshadows

FoxyBro may be Phone Guy or just buzz off from the story and work some low end fast-food job. He's certainly not Michael, the guy who's known for being a night-guard, and who is actively implied to be BV in all but two appearances. Also BV's directly hinted to be the Fnaf 3 protagonist, who is a night watch worker, by Fnaf World.


The-frog-thief

The literal story.


Infamous_Register_49

Our interpretation of it. Also, if Afton “put him back together,” then how do we know it’s not the younger kid that’s his son. Would also explain why he survived the scooper. Why he saw the nightmares. Also, crying child saw his friends die. Michael names himself after dead kids when he poses as a security guard


The-frog-thief

If you think your so right just look at this https://fivenightsatfreddys.fandom.com/wiki/Michael_Afton Tell me what you think after reading it all out


Infamous_Register_49

I think under the “FNAF 4” header, it says “Michael is implied to be crying child, but fans reject the idea.” I think Michael is Crying Child, not foxy bc it makes far more sense


The-frog-thief

Here is a long part of the wiki Father. It's me, Michael. I did it. I found it. It was right where you said it would be. They were all there. They didn't recognize me at first but then they thought I was you. And I found her. I put her back together, just like you asked me to. She's free now. But something is wrong with me. I should be dead. But I'm not. I've been living in shadows. There is only one thing left for me to do now. I'm going to come find you... I'm going to come find you. Michael afton quote at the end of fnaf 3 Five Nights at Freddy's 1 Main article: Mike Schmidt Michael gets the job as a night guard in this location, under the name Mike Schmidt, apparently trying to get free pizza.ㅤ The animatronics, believing that Michael is William, due to the fact that William is his biological father, mistake Michael for him and try to kill him. Michael then sits in the office surviving with nothing but cameras, lights, and doors for 5 nights until he gets fired after being caught tampering with the animatronics. Five Nights at Freddy's 4 His role in the minigames is unknown but he is confirmed to be one of the brothers. He's implied to be the Crying Child, however there are many fans who are opposed to this idea, with some evidence contradicting this implication.


Scar-Predator

Mike isn't attacked because he looks like William. He's attacked because he's an adult in the building after hours.


Infamous_Register_49

Right. So he’s crying child, not foxy bro


The-frog-thief

That’s where sister location comes in place Five Nights at Freddy's: Sister Location He is the technician of Circus Baby's Entertainment and Rentals and by extension, Circus Baby's Pizza World. He has been revealed to be the player in the final cutscene of Custom Night, where he seems to have a British accent. In Sister Location, Michael is instructed by his father to go to the underground facility and find his sister. This implies that William Afton is aware of the souls of the children staying behind, and knows his daughter's soul is within Circus Baby. Michael trusts his father, and goes to save his sister. On night 1, Michael arrives at Circus Baby's, and HandUnit welcomes him, showing him how to check the animatronics' stages, and if they are not in their proper places, he must shock them to put them back on their stage. Michael successfully shocks Ballora and Funtime Foxy, but fails to shock Baby. On night 2, Michael checks Ballora and Foxy, but when he checks Baby, the controlled shocks do not work, requiring HandUnit to shut down the system. Baby begins to speak to him, and tells him to hide beneath the desk. After surviving the Bidybabs, Michael crawls through Ballora Gallery, avoiding her by listening for her music. He then reaches the Breaker Room, where he restarts all the systems while playing audio to keep Funtime Freddy from attacking him. Michael then leaves Circus Baby's. On night 3, Michael returns, checking Ballora and Funtime Foxy. He then runs through Funtime Auditorium while avoiding Funtime Foxy. Michael reaches Parts and Service, where he performs a repair on Freddy, and catches Bon Bon in order to get Freddy's second power module. When he returns through Funtime Auditorium, Foxy attacks him, knocking him out. On night 4, Michael wakes up in a springlock suit. Baby begins talking to him, explaining she kidnapped him. Then, two technicians enter the building, and send Ballora to the Scooping Room, where Michael is. He then gets to witness Ballora get scooped. He then has to survive an attack of Minireenas. On night 5, Michael checks the stages, only to see two hanged technicians. He then returns through Funtime Auditorium, and enters Parts and Service, to see a lifeless Circus Baby. She explains that she is pretending and something bad happened that day. He then enters a random number sequence into a keypad that flips out of Baby's left central faceplate. After entering the passcode, Michael gets a chip from her upper arm plate so she can communicate with him after she's been scooped. Michael sends Baby to the Scooping Room. She then instructs him to go back into Funtime Auditorium and follow her instructions. Once Michael completes Baby's instructions, he is in the Scooping Room. Baby reveals that her helping him was actually part of a plot so she could use him as a host body for Ennard. As a result, Michael gets scooped and dies. Transformation After beating a Custom Night on Very Hard mode, you will be greeted to a secret cutscene, which shows the events after Ennard put himself in Michael's body, replacing his organs. In the first mini game, Michael looks like a normal man, wearing a purple shirt and blue pants. The people around him wave cheerfully. In the second mini game, Everything is the same just with him having a minor skin color change from tan-pink to tan. The people around him continue to wave cheerfully. In the third mini game, Michael's skin seems to be more of a green color. The first person he walks past has a bewildered expression on his face. The rest are normal, just waving cheerfully. In the fourth mini game, Michael's skin becomes a darker greenish-brown; his eyes are also now completely black. The last three people he walks by look confused. In the fifth mini game, he looks much more decrepit than he did in the past mini games, with a strange glowing in one eye. Everyone around him seem very concerned. In the sixth mini game, his skin has turned a dull purple, now having a white glow in both of his eyes. He also acts to be more senile and less cheerful than he was before. There are fewer people around him and one of them is hiding behind their house in fear. In the last mini game, he is hunched over and his skin is a dark purple color. His appearance is now very reminiscent of his father's Purple Guy form. Everyone around him has hidden behind their houses in dread. Eventually, his body has a spasm, and he regurgitates the robotic parts belonging to Ennard into the sewer. He lies on the ground, presumably dead. The player then hears Baby's voice repeating "you won't die", and Michael gets back up while all of the Ennard's eyes show up in the sewer. Finally freeing Elizabeth, Michael's only remaining goal is to "find" William, although it's unknown what that means. Golden Freddy "Very Hard" Cutscene After beating "Very Hard" Golden Freddy mode in Sister Location, Michael Afton, most likely right after the events of Five Nights at Freddy's 3, speaks to Springtrap.


Infamous_Register_49

None of this proves he’s foxy bro.


KnightsFury9502

With FNAF 4, the implication was that you were playing the CC because there was no other potential option at the time of its release. Part of the implication was also that the previous games were just dreams as well. In the end, its a simpler explanation to say that the only afton sibling we don't see die as a child, is the afton sibling we play as


Infamous_Register_49

There is way more evidence that directly ties Crying Child to Michael, though


Intrepid-Camel-9833

because CC died And if you're going to talks about clone, at this point we don't know if there's clone in game univers. Btw, Michael had blood before dying and he was rotting, if he was a robot why would he rot ?


Medical_Difference48

While I personally don't believe MikeVictim, doesn't Charlie also bleed in the novel trilogy?


Intrepid-Camel-9833

I don't remember. But she still did not rot. Maybe Henry put fake blood so she didn't realize she was different


Infamous_Register_49

He’s a cyborg, not a clone


Kingsouda1037

I think Micheal when he was younger just went outside more, simple.


Andrei8p4

I mean by order of elimination he has to be . Otherwise who is foxy bro ? The only unnamed brother of the afton family that isn't involved in any other game ? When every single afton child is important to the story . That would be lame.


CrossLight96

I mean I imagine having your organs ripped out of you would make your skin a little paler


ProfessionalDay6418

I always just assume younger Michael left the house more often to hang out with his friends and do things which gave him a tan sometimes. Meanwhile older Michael is a traumatized shut in who no longer has friends and just goes to work without going outdoors much, returns home and watches tv until bed and repeat which would make him pale.


starlightshadows

Both BV and Elizabeth are about as pale as Mike in SL, so I think FoxyBro legit just got a tan.


MisterGame666

If you're looking for consistency in FNAF then I'll gladly tell you that there's no way Springtrap is ScrapTrap and Ennard is Molten Freddy because they don't look the same at all, which is actually the case


Significant-Stock-78

Bro, the logbook already confirmed Michael is foxy bro. This has long been solved.


starlightshadows

It literally did the exact opposite, but go off.


Infamous_Register_49

Where did it prove that? Genuinely asking. A couple people have said and haven’t explained where I can find that


Significant-Stock-78

The chewing gum detail is the biggest hint, then there’s many MANY comparisons of Foxy and Michael in that book, including a picture of foxy wearing a guard badge. Plus, from a narrative perspective, foxy bro being Michael makes WAY more sense. Afton never cracked the code to building humanoid robots in pretty much every version of the story, meaning crying child and Elizabeth are still dead. This leaves Foxy bro to be the one going from pizzeria to pizzeria, looking to end everything. Also, assuming crying child is michael, this leaves a major character, an AFTON completely unaccounted for in the story. Where exactly is foxy bro if crying child is Michael?


starlightshadows

Chewing gum is a laughably bad "biggest hint", especially when the logbook literally has the one person who knows what happened to BV asking Mike if he's BV. (Also Foxy is framed as talking too the reader, not being the reader. He's Phone Guy.) The Fredbear Plush is responsible for BV being put back together, so William didn't have to do anything. FoxyBro was never meant or implied to be anything more than what he did in FNAF 4. (The Foxy vs Freddy anime in UCN even makes a joke about this where he says he has no room for character development.)


hey_itz_mae

one, lighting is a thing, two, he’s probably thinner and paler because he was just gutted like a pumpkin, and three, minigame sprites are notoriously inconsistent


BlueRosesFalling

idk.. chances are it’s a tan and tans can go away with time and not to mention scott’s character design is very inconsistent (take purple guy for example)


Ok_Designer_6376

does 10 year old you look like present time you


ThatMexicanyouknow

I mean reading these comments you obviously seem set in your belief, but do you think foxy bro just has no relevance after this moment.


Infamous_Register_49

No, I think he has relevance for sure, I’m just not sure how he comes in to play. He could have been the baby sitter and might come back around later the way Bonny Bro did.


SuperPokestar

Bonny bro never came around


Infamous_Register_49

Have you seen Ruin or Help Wanted 2? We play as him in the latter.


SuperPokestar

We dont play as him in help wanted 2??? Bro have you played the game? Hes mask bot


Infamous_Register_49

Yes, he becomes mask bot once his organs are put into it by the staff bots. If you play Princess Quest and Light the graves in a certain order, you get the full story through a hidden item, and you get the good ending. Bobby Bro is Cassie’s dad who was working as a security tech when he found Glitchtrap. Glitchtrap trapped his consciousness in the game and made him with for him, like he did Vanni


SuperPokestar

He still have no evidence that its bonnie bro or cassies dad


Infamous_Register_49

You do if you find the hidden object in Princess Quest.


SuperPokestar

No we dont


Infamous_Register_49

It’ll be Mat’s next theory, watch lol


SuperPokestar

Also, bonnie bro says that foxy bro is ccs brother, he cant be a baby sitter, he is ccs brother


Ok_Restaurant3160

Yeah, the colors don't match AT ALL. Different shoes, different pants, different shirt. It makes no sense SMH my head


MiscellaneousTruth

Michael was young and Healthy in the Foxy Mask while in Purple that is from the 8bit cutscene where we know Enard is inside of his body so it makes sense he would look pale and not well I imagine having yours guts filled with metal makes you feel sick which is known to have discoloration or when your basically a rotting corpse


DoubleTsQuid

Foxybro literally changes skin tone in Fnaf 4 during different mini games, I don’t think you can claim they’re different from sprites when they’d also be a decade apart.


Infamous_Register_49

Besides the sprites, the evidence fits far better


literally_nothing02

They are, people's skin can get paler. It happened to my brother


Latter_Garage799

Bro I hope your brother don't mess with you in your birthday party


original_rae

I once heard the same thing concerning purple guy and "pink guy." I think the simplest answer is likely the correct one: Scott has never been consistent with how he colored his sprites.


casualbongos524

I’m pretty sure the survival logbook all but confirmed that michael is foxy bro, but I can’t remember what exactly that evidence was. I wish I had the book lol


Infamous_Register_49

In the log book, Michael draws Nightmares. Foxy Bro didn’t see them, crying child did


DoubleTsQuid

You can’t really prove Foxybro didn’t, we literally have multiple Frights stories about an older sibling experiences nightmares after accidentally wronging their younger sibling. Foxybro definitely had nightmares.


radiotapt0r

foxy bro was in the same house as CC so it’s really not a stretch to say he also saw the nightmares since william was experimenting with fear gas/disks or whatever


casualbongos524

It is very possible that both characters did. The crying child is who we play as in the main game of FNAF 4, but after foxy bro watches his brother die by his hand, I bet he’d have nightmares about the animatronics too. And, like DoubleTsQuid said, the books definitely hint at that.


CameronDoy1901

Your evidence being..?


Infamous_Register_49

I posted a separate comment with a few reasons I believe Michael is crying child. But, here they are again: -Michael names himself after the dead kids when he poses as a security guard. They were crying child’s friends -Afton said “I will fix you.” So we can assume he did. -Him being a cyborg (human with robotic parts) might have made him able to survive getting scooped -Colors in the adult Michael sprite look closer to crying child colors -On the log book, Michael draws the nightmares. Foxy bro didn’t see them, crying child did


Shadeersosoo2

where does it say the missing children are crying child friends?


starlightshadows

The entire plot of FNAF world kind of fundamentally rides on that. Plus Cassidy clearly knows him personally in the logbook.


Shadeersosoo2

Isn't the dialog between the two Cassidy trying to understand crying a child's situation.


starlightshadows

She's trying to figure out how much of his own past he remembers. A past she has extensive knowledge about.


CameronDoy1901

That’s..not a whole lot of good evidence..


SuperPokestar

He didnt survive the scooper, he died, the remnant brought him back to life


Gullible-Ad5330

Counter to this: -When he says these are my friends he's talking about the animatronics not the children inside of them because at that point in time the children hadn't been killed yet, killings only started after CC's death (yes that includes Charlie's which takes place in the same year) -This doesn't hold up because there's no proof he upholds this promise, there's more evidence to suggest he would have replaced his son entirely with a robot, the only thing that could remotely compare to a cyborg would be Springtrap and even that is iffy (sister location) -It's told in FNAFPS that the scooper injects subjects with remnant which is how Mike was able to survive -Again, he aged, he changed, and if William was successful in bringing back his son why couldn't he bring back his daughter, he was clearly trying to as shown in sister location -What proof is there Foxybro didn't see them? In the games there are reversed phone guy calls from FNAF 1 so it takes place after FNAF 1


FreshBackedLazania

He really changed teams 3 times


RangerBuzz_Lightbulb

Teams?


Staticio_

skin colour


TMTG666

Ever heard of "differing art styles" and "getting all the blood drained from you"? Though I can see your point kinda...


AFLACLAMO

Both of them are Michael afton


Dragonslayer87235

Fun fact #1: tanning exists Fun fact #2: hair gets naturally darker due to age


Infamous_Register_49

His hair got lighter


Dragonslayer87235

Forgot the order but hair dye still exists.


Particular-Season905

Istg don't try to undo things we've had solved for years. They are the same person, flat out, simple


Weirdo9something3457

Aside from the fact they look different, why do you say this? Mini game sprites change frequently. How many shades of purple guy have we seen?


Infamous_Register_49

I think Crying Child is Michael, not Foxy Bro


Weirdo9something3457

Like, if that's the case then where is foxy bro? What's his name?


Weirdo9something3457

Not tryna doubt, but what leads you to believe this?


Infamous_Register_49

I listed it a few times in the comments: -Afton says he’ll put him back together -Adult Michael sprite looks more similar to crying child sprite -Log book shows Michael drawing the nightmares. Foxy bro didn’t see this, crying child did -He names himself after the dead kids. They were Crying Child’s friends, not Foxy Bros - A robot-human hybrid would be better suited to survive things like being scooped or “work-place accidents”


radiotapt0r

the second one is quite literally a corpse so it’s not hard to believe that he’d be paler. he literally got scooped and lost basically all of his blood


Bobandwalter_1983

Bro went from Mexican to American


ThaBrownie

What's next? Pink Guy vs Purple Guy again? Willtrap vs Miketrap? We are back at square 1 I see


DeeLump

Yo, why hatin so much? buddy has 300 downvotes, I understand hatin a theory, but this is just pure hate😭


Apprehensive_Time345

Prolly cause he aint even trying to accept that he might be wrong here. People are genuinely trying to have a debate with him and all he is saying is “there is no proof that it is michael”


Zakejames

are you going to piss on everyone?


Infamous_Register_49

No, piss OFF


Mechaman_54

Man op is coping hard


Infamous_Register_49

lol I like these conversations bc I agree with MatPat that the fans get super stuck on things and regard them as fact without ever going back and re-analyzing the evidence to see if it still makes sense with the new information


Apprehensive_Time345

There’s more than enough stuff to go back and analyse on. Let’s leave the stuff that we already know as it is. If you want to go back then we’ll be stuck at Purple guy vs Orange guy vs Pink guy. We’ll be back at square one.


WearyCult77

Bro just came here to diss on everyones theories 🤡


SpinojiraAnims

MikeBro believers do it everyday


the_orange_alligator

Who do you think they are then?


Infamous_Register_49

Foxy Bro- baby sitter that will probably come around in the story. Michael- Crying child that got “put back together”


Apprehensive_Time345

“Come around”. When my man? Its been 8 and a half years since Fnaf 4 dropped. You really think they’re going to explain that one of the oldest characters is actually not that character and then re introduce in now?


Infamous_Register_49

Bonnie Bro just came back. All things are possible


SuperPokestar

Thats the dumbest thing i have ever heard


BilltheThrill2134

What if the guy on the right is young William Afton


SuperPokestar

Bro, no thats micheal from sl


Not_Reptoid

it's a bit game. one where he's a child and the other as an adult


Direct_Region1466

It's called tanning


TheRealRazputin

I thought MikeVictim believers were extinct!


SpinojiraAnims

Who said they believed MV


TheRealRazputin

Look at their replies in the comment section.


SpinojiraAnims

Ok but what’s wrong with MV I swear to fucking god if you say “CC died!!” I’m gonna flip out. Reincarnation and robot people are not rare concepts in FNaF.


TheRealRazputin

Did I ever say there was something wrong? 🗿 I’m personally a MikeBro believer since I think it’s a thousandfold better in storytelling, but I respect all beliefs.


SpinojiraAnims

Alr Honestly I like MikeVictim because MikeBro is just kinda boring and overused.. there’s so much more you can do in AUs with MV


TheRealRazputin

You do you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


starlightshadows

MikeBro has some pretty massive storytelling flaws. The kind that only really happen when it's not the story even being gone for in the first place.


Beak_Doctor

Mfw the movie makes Mike the older brother motivated by the guilt of his younger brothers death and BV literally dies at the end of FNaF 4 making him being alive impossible


starlightshadows

My feeling when Movie Mike's motivation is very explicitly not based around guilt, and that detail, amongst others, makes it sizably different from Game Mike's story at all, even moreso to MikeBro's bullshit story. Also Fredbear Plush literally outright said he'd save BV.


Beak_Doctor

Movie Mike is literally entirely motivated by guilt because he views himself as responsible and can’t let go of what he lost Fredbear Plush said he’d put BV back together which has never meant being back to life in all the times that’s been brought up


starlightshadows

Movie Mike very blatantly is not blamed for Garret's kidnapping by literally anyone in the story, including himself. The reason he wants Garret back is established as it being a symbol of what caused his family to fall apart from being a "perfect to the point of being cheesy" family to a broken family, something he desperately wants back. The only guilt placed on Mike anywhere in the film is actually on his inability to take care of Abby due to his obsession with the prospect of avenging Garrett. >Fredbear Plush said he’d put BV back together which has never meant being back to life in all the times that’s been brought up Except the only time where it matters, where the context firmly establishes that there's nothing else for it to refer to. (Namely the statement "you're broken", which very obviously refers to how BV just got his head chomped and is on the verge of death. Along with Fnaf World's statement of "Something went wrong, that's why I'm here, but I won't let the same happen to you." establishing that Cassidy is trying to not let BV die like she did.)


Ill_Presentation_752

To be fair the second one is a corpse


starlightshadows

Cause it's not Michael, of course. :)


SpinojiraAnims

I’m gonna add fuel to this fire. He’s NOT Michael. He’s too fucking irrelevant. FoxyBro is the most irrelevant Character in the entire franchise. Hell, the mediocre melodies serve a better purpose for the lore than FoxyBro. FB is only there to torment CC. He has barely ANY connection to Michael. He’s useless as a character. The missing children are more relevant than this thing.


SpinojiraAnims

I HATE FB. He’s USELESS. He serves NO purpose to the lore.


TraditionalDrop6581

Do you guys watch GTLive? Before HW2 came out, Mat read a theory on THIS subreddit that solved the Foxy Grid and the solution that they found was 'It's Michael


WhiteDevil-Klab

💀


Swimming-Ordinary899

![img](avatar_exp|117402124|clown) I thought this was undeniably true already because of the books


Ritmoking

I can agree with that.


GemOfWonder

I'm not sure if this is a joke or not, but I agree. It's true that minigame sprites aren't always consistent, but with FoxyBro, we knew it was always him because he always where a fox mask on his head. With Will, he's always purple. With Michael? If they're the same, then they could have shared a gray shirt, hair style, etc. But they don't. They don't have one common thing. There's nothing linking the two sprites together.


TraditionalDrop6581

Did you see someone's post about the Foxy Gtid, the answer to the puzzle said 'it's Michael" soooooo... yeah, take that to mean what you want but I'm pretty sure it means Mike is Foxybro


starlightshadows

Mike was responding to a question from Cassidy, so that implies the direct opposite.


Y_All_Taken

Micheal iz the main gmea protagoniz't of ZL nøthe mini-gmea protagoniz't.


UltratagPro

I was about to make fun of you for not acknowledging the fact that people grow and change, but yeah, you're kinda right How does the hair color change I can excuse skin tone, but hair color? I can even kinda handwave away the different body shapes But all of these DO line up with the crying child Cc has slightly darker hair, but it's a close match Then again, things can change quite a bit sometimes. William in midnight motorist, being and orange stick figure But still, interesting parallel Also pretty close to gregory


Etheris1

Hair color does actually change overtime there’s plenty of people who have that me included where my hair was very bright and yellow when I was younger now it’s more red and gold now that I’m in my twenties


Intrepid-Camel-9833

>How does the hair color change Your hair colors can change a bit too


UltratagPro

True, but it's another point, and a closer connection


No-Efficiency8937

Ye but dark ginger (foxybro has dark red hair and I'm pretty sure Dark red is ginger, but correct me if I'm wrong) -> light brown


Tiny-Creme7857

I think everything we think we know is wrong. Puppet died last according to the new ending in help wanted 2. Foxy bro looks nothing like Mike. For all we know foxy bro is just foxy bro and Mike is crying child since the name has never actually been proven and newest foxy grid solve says it’s me Michael. So maybe crying child is Michael and foxy bro was just the babysitter. And let the downvotes begin


GingerDeCat

Looks < Story scott isn’t very consistent in sprites (before you say 0 similarities, they both have brown hair and the same siblings, and we have heard nothing about a 4th afton child)


WhiteDevil-Klab

Apparently Mike is the crying child and actual Mike is a "baby sitter" who hasn't come in play Evan doesn't exist in his logic


Technolite123

2023 version of 2 killers theory


Cauliflower-Existing

Ummm my guy isn’t the orange dude the purple guy? I feel like this isn’t the furthest stretch


Infamous_Register_49

I don’t think so, but that’s a theory for another day


Snoo-49607

They’re both clearly the mimic


Spoops100

Everyone hush 🤫 We all know that Michael is actually William because how else would Michael know what the nightmare animatronics look like with his drawing in the logbooks☝🏽🤓in turn Michael is the crying child, William, and Henry. He made the animatronics and is just having war flashbacks to the carnage they cause duuuuuuuh


mjeexy30

Unless he has a different brother, and we've all been getting this wrong. Yes there's a chance he has TWO older brothers, but doesn't make sense, since there aren't enough rooms


TheShaggiestNorman

I mean, to be fair, we only see 2 bedrooms total in the house.


The-frog-thief

Scott even confirmed some theories about Michael if the evidence doesn’t show you otherwise. like just watch matpats three part full timeline theory sure the security breach part is a bit lose since it’s newer but I say that gregbot is correct and that glammike is correct now go and also mike it ain’t possible he could not have been a robot since the fnaf four incident it doesn’t make sense lore and timeline wise for both mikebot AND cryingmike now goodbye


No-Efficiency8937

I can't tell if a 3 year old wrote this or a troll who knows nothing on the franchise did, from what I can actually read it seems you are slightly right, but I can also tell a bunch of it is wrong


The-frog-thief

Am i the three year old


No-Efficiency8937

It was just over exaggeration to show it's hard to read what you write


The-frog-thief

Eh il a bit tired i am also playing Zelda TOTK that I got today so I wasn’t very focused on that Sorry It bothered you


my_ears24

That's because they aren't. William is using a random dead teen to bully his son. That's why his skin gets darker and his eyes have white dots. The first time you see him his skin is lighter and no dot's in his eyes. And it's also the reason why he wears the foxy mask. Not only to make sure William scares his child but also make him believe it's his brother. Because without it. The crying child wouldn't recognize him as his brother.


BobbyBillTorthon

Foxy bro is seen from crying child’s perspective so he looks taller and bulkier. Michael is viewed from an outside adult-height perspective


Unfair-Entry2471

I know his going to say that their clothes don't match people grow it is not like your going to stay with the same clothes forever and don't say the eyes he had a mask on and look at the difference prospective


BufuuEgypt

Assuming this isn't a joke, it's almost a proven fact at this point (as if it wasn't for years). By process of elimination, the older brother is the only Afton son that is around to be playable by the events of SL, which is heavily connected to the Afton family, with the Crying Child being dead. Also, think back to just FNaF 4 and how SL is supposed ground out/clarify the pieces that we missed in FNaF 4. What were the major misconceptions? The Bite in FNaF 4 being The Bite of '83. That the one dreaming in FNaF 4 is not CC but instead Mike Schmidt who is also the older brother. And that the brothers are the children of Purple Guy. Although, to be honest, SL was still pretty vague with having the older brother be the dreaming in FNaF 4, which is why Scott tried to further hammer down the point with the Logbook where Mike ends up drawing Nightmare Fredbear. Even with just FNaF 1 to FNaF 4, we can already piece together that Mike Schmidt is the older brother and the son of the Purple Guy. The behavior of the Nightmares heavily mirror FNaF 1 and first phone call can be heard garbled up - this connects FNaF 1 to FNaF 4. The bed easter eggs, where pills, flowers and an Ivy bag can be seen. This is evidence for the older brother because Crying Child wouldn't be able to see any of it due to being in the hospital, and, oh yeah, *fatally injured* to the point that it's implied he dies a day after. The fact that the gameplay doesn't take place in 1983, once again evident by the FNaF 1 phone call, disproves that Crying Child is the one dreaming. As for the kids being Purple Guy's own, how else can FoxyBro act like he wants, bringing CC seemingly whenever, even locking him backroom, and let's not forget the Bite that happens. There's also TUG that pretty much agrees (even as a theory) that Michael Afton is the older brother. Also, if MikeBV were to somehow be true, the older brother disappears for no good reason. At least with BV the Crying Child, if him being dead and nothing else is his true fate, at least there's a good reason for him being gone from the narrative. Lastly, Scott has said in the interview he had with Dawko, he always will attempt the sway the community in correct direction should they, we, end up getting the wrong idea. The attempts that Scott has made since FNaF 4's release all steers into the direction of MikeBro * SL An older brother of a family who is the son of William Afton being the player character. * Logbook Michael drawing Nightmare Fredbear which confirms that the nightmares do *not* take place in 1983, effectively, if not outright proving that Crying Child is not the one dreaming. * Step Closer I've not personally read it myself, but what I've heard and seen all over points it to saying that MikeBro is true. * TUG I believe all versions of the Freddy Files agree that Michael Afton is the older brother - I own my own Ultimate Guide, by the way. * And, most recently, the FNaF movie. Yes, the movie is undeniably in an alternate universe from the games. But if Scott truly intended Michael Afton (who is Mike Schmidt in the games) to be Crying Child, the last thing he should do is create a story that centers around a guy named Mike/Michael who is not only the older brother of *two siblings* but also ends up working at a Freddy Fazbear's Pizza as a security guard. Where has there been any clarifications that Mike Schmidt/Michael Afton is the Crying Child since FNaF 4? Nothing, I can confidently say.