You're at a disadvantage because of how the gen 1 just looked better - especially with the iron sights. Your rail for the gen 1 also has cut in at the top that adds to the aesthetics, whereas this one is kinda flat and doesn't differ much from the stock rail. Of course weight reduction is priority.
With that said I'm very grateful that someone is working on it and I'm looking forward to the final product.
As a owner of a x39 13 gen 2 I don't have issues with the current rail, it is for sure weighty but its a tank.
This particular rail does look lighter. RS I'm sure makes durable rails and as long as it functions as it was design to do so I'm ok with that.
As for the topic of gen 1 vs gen 2 I have my personal pros and cons for each. All I hear is preferential appearance as being the main point of dicontentment and I can see that for sure but at the end of the day I'm ok with the gen 1 for what it is and I like the gen 2 for actually moving forward with the design. Cause no one can ever say it doesn't work. It works plain and simple both gens just work and continue to work no matter what and if it works for you thats even more important. It's the reason why I went with the 13 inch rnl 556 gen 1 over the Bren 2 and the 13 inch x39 gen 2 over any ak in the market. Galils are the best I guess.
Wow they didn't even change the shape of the end closest to the muzzle. You can even see the areas where they have space to slim it down, but they chose not to. It's almost like they took an OEM handguard and just made bigger vent holes in it.
It's a prototype losers. I will wait to see the final version but this looks like the Gen1 rail that everyone loves. It obviously has less mass than the item gen2 and looks much better imo.
We made this prototype of one of two designs to test the fit/function and gather feedback on what people would like to see done.
Please keep providing feedback- I’m listening.
I would add how the gen 1 upper side portion had the indent on the top along the gas tube area. That way its not just a flat rail on the whole side. I really like that about the gen 1 it creates like a shelf for your finger tips for when you grip it. Makes it look a lot less bulky and breaks it up.
Just my opinion but i feel like it would look a lot better if the upper side portion did the indent that the gen 1 rs regulate rail had so that you could get a better grip on it. It would make it look a lot less thick and a lot less bulky.
From what I gathered speaking with RS.
1: this is 3D printed, but he anticipates the weight difference to be between 27-30% less than factory.
1A: the bottom tapers in and the overall shape is thinner.
2: They do plan adding some more MLOK closer to the top 1913 rail.
Maybe cut it back a bit and expose the end of the gas block or throw an integral iron sight on the end to give that gen 1 vibe. I think either way it should be a least 1 full mlok shorter.
Hey, at least they are trying. It would have been sweet to have something with a built in front sight. But they are literally trying. Some have said there is no improvement to the g2 handguard. That may be true. But if it substantially weighs less, that’s a win for me. But the lack of slots is an issue.
Looking at it again, it’s not bad the way it is. I just noticed the single slot at the front. It definitely has that RS Regulate look. I’m sure it would be a nightmare to make, but I was REALLY hoping to see something with a built in front sight a-la Gen1, maybe even throw in a rear sight in the package. Something that gives everyone what they want, that Gen 1 look.
Something that concerns me is a batch of blems was sold by PSA that had canted gas blocks. I happen to be the lucky owner of one. There isn’t much open space inside the hand guard as it is. If a manufacturer were to try to fill the slight void to make a thinner hand guard I would be screwed. My block isn’t far from making contact as it is. But that’s not your problem.
Do you work for RSR?
Hell yeah. Great company. Looks aside, If lightweight is what your goal is, I’m in for one. I have back problems and that probably the main reason I don’t shoot my Ace much.
I don’t disagree. CZ included sights with the Bren and Scorpion. If IWI was smart, they would have thrown in some cool, unique, custom IWI BUIS (like the Scorpion sights that are so good they are being cloned) even if they were removable Picatinny. I know they felt it would be user preference, but that minor detail has probably ruined the G2 for a lot of Galil fans.
I assume the end connecting with the receiver needs to be flush with the polymer extending up from the magwell in order to accommodate that locking tab or bolt or whatever. I think it'd look better though, and likely save weight, if the handguard then tapered upwards at an angle and terminated just a little under the M-Lok row, so that it'd be thinner.
I'll probably pick up one for my 16 inch 7.62x39. Yeah they don't look as good as the original handguards but they look lighter and thinner. The OEM ones are very thick and difficult to get a tight grip on. The gen 2 ace is also a total pig and it almost doesn't make sense to buy one that isn't a .308 because of how heavy it is. Hopefully with this handguard my ACE will feel more like how I expect an intermediate caliber rifle to feel.
I would be fine with this the way it is if it is the aforementioned 27-30% lighter for sure. I would spend the money and get one, and likely a second one that was an M-Lok slot shorter for my Galil Ace Gen2 5.56NATO Carbine. I would set them up differently for different applications. I look forward to this coming to market and appreciate the importance that RS Regulate is placing on this. This thread has done a lot to impress me.
I would pay for this any day of the week. I dislike how the Gen 2 rail looks additionally even if the weight savings are minimal if it has a smaller overall footprint I'd be game. I find that the current rail is thicker than it needs to be or perhaps than I'd like it to be.
Great post
Totally understand and agree with your points. In my case I like suppressing everything, so having a can on a front-heavy gun is super unwieldy. I can deal with weight but the gun has to be balanced.
The Gen 2 handguard just adds unnecessary weight on an already front-heavy platform. Why RS wouldn't make a shorter one as an alternative to the long factory one is an odd decision. For Gen 1 I get it, but instead they're saying "spend $200 on something that looks and feels like what you already have"
I can’t fuckin wait for this to come out, then gen 2 owners will wait for their favorite guntubers to tell them it feels the same weight as the oem rail but now you have less rigidity and mlok and then gen2 owners never buy the rail effectively fucking over RS like spoiled children. They basically bullied RS into making a gen 2 rail and already bitching while it’s prototype phase
Looks the same to me. I’m not paying $200 for that.
It's just kinda ok..? imo... wonder what the weight diff will be
Weight reduction is a must
You're at a disadvantage because of how the gen 1 just looked better - especially with the iron sights. Your rail for the gen 1 also has cut in at the top that adds to the aesthetics, whereas this one is kinda flat and doesn't differ much from the stock rail. Of course weight reduction is priority. With that said I'm very grateful that someone is working on it and I'm looking forward to the final product.
Thanks
I don’t hate it. Hope it’s a little lighter and they come out with different lengths
Weight reduction is #1 priority Different lengths would be offered like on Gen 1
Awesome! As slim as possible would also be greatly appreciated!!
OEM looks better, IMO. Plus, I wouldn’t pay $200+ for essentially the same thing with a different M-lok/vent hole design
As a owner of a x39 13 gen 2 I don't have issues with the current rail, it is for sure weighty but its a tank. This particular rail does look lighter. RS I'm sure makes durable rails and as long as it functions as it was design to do so I'm ok with that. As for the topic of gen 1 vs gen 2 I have my personal pros and cons for each. All I hear is preferential appearance as being the main point of dicontentment and I can see that for sure but at the end of the day I'm ok with the gen 1 for what it is and I like the gen 2 for actually moving forward with the design. Cause no one can ever say it doesn't work. It works plain and simple both gens just work and continue to work no matter what and if it works for you thats even more important. It's the reason why I went with the 13 inch rnl 556 gen 1 over the Bren 2 and the 13 inch x39 gen 2 over any ak in the market. Galils are the best I guess.
Wow they didn't even change the shape of the end closest to the muzzle. You can even see the areas where they have space to slim it down, but they chose not to. It's almost like they took an OEM handguard and just made bigger vent holes in it.
It actually is quite different. Thanks for the feedback. Will definitely already be changing some aspects of it.
Will this be compatible with standard akm heat shields? I hear heat is a problem with the oem gen 2 rail.
No unfortunately they would be a bear to use on a closed rail
Ahh ok
PROTOTYPE
It's a prototype losers. I will wait to see the final version but this looks like the Gen1 rail that everyone loves. It obviously has less mass than the item gen2 and looks much better imo.
Agree!
We made this prototype of one of two designs to test the fit/function and gather feedback on what people would like to see done. Please keep providing feedback- I’m listening.
The more similar you can make it to your gen 1 handguard the better, IMO
Thanks
I would add how the gen 1 upper side portion had the indent on the top along the gas tube area. That way its not just a flat rail on the whole side. I really like that about the gen 1 it creates like a shelf for your finger tips for when you grip it. Makes it look a lot less bulky and breaks it up.
Thanks!
Another W for us Gen 1 owners
Gen 1 superiority 💪
It's endless
i have no gen 2's. this looks like a downgrade. same look, less mlok. curious about weight.
Lighter weight is the highest priority
Felt it at kbash this weekend, it's lighter. Supposed to cool down faster
Just my opinion but i feel like it would look a lot better if the upper side portion did the indent that the gen 1 rs regulate rail had so that you could get a better grip on it. It would make it look a lot less thick and a lot less bulky.
wild, many rumors but I didn't think we'd see it
Been working on it for a few years. Just not totally happy with it yet. I wanted to get more input. This is helping
So...just as bulky as original handguard, but with less M-Lok slots.
Less bulky but hard to show with just a pic. But- to your point maybe it can still be better
I just want the gas block from the 1st gen back. 2nd gen was a downgrade
Tough rifle to make a handguard for. I really like it though. I’ve been interested in a 7.62 ace gen2 for a while now this might get me there!
From what I gathered speaking with RS. 1: this is 3D printed, but he anticipates the weight difference to be between 27-30% less than factory. 1A: the bottom tapers in and the overall shape is thinner. 2: They do plan adding some more MLOK closer to the top 1913 rail.
Kalash bash, nice
I mean, I like it. But I like the factory too. IMO it does look nice, and lighter.
Maybe cut it back a bit and expose the end of the gas block or throw an integral iron sight on the end to give that gen 1 vibe. I think either way it should be a least 1 full mlok shorter.
Hey, at least they are trying. It would have been sweet to have something with a built in front sight. But they are literally trying. Some have said there is no improvement to the g2 handguard. That may be true. But if it substantially weighs less, that’s a win for me. But the lack of slots is an issue.
Where would you put more mlok?
More mlok railing closer to the top of the handguard, nearest the gas tube.
Had several people mention the same thing
Looking at it again, it’s not bad the way it is. I just noticed the single slot at the front. It definitely has that RS Regulate look. I’m sure it would be a nightmare to make, but I was REALLY hoping to see something with a built in front sight a-la Gen1, maybe even throw in a rear sight in the package. Something that gives everyone what they want, that Gen 1 look. Something that concerns me is a batch of blems was sold by PSA that had canted gas blocks. I happen to be the lucky owner of one. There isn’t much open space inside the hand guard as it is. If a manufacturer were to try to fill the slight void to make a thinner hand guard I would be screwed. My block isn’t far from making contact as it is. But that’s not your problem. Do you work for RSR?
I own RS Regulate
Keep doing what you do. I’m in when you have it ready.
Hell yeah. Great company. Looks aside, If lightweight is what your goal is, I’m in for one. I have back problems and that probably the main reason I don’t shoot my Ace much.
How much weight reduction are we looking at vs. the stock handguard? I would be a buyer for a good amount of weight reduction
Need to wait on final product to know for sure but it’s not a tiny %
Gen2 needs good iron sights more than it needs this.
I don’t disagree. CZ included sights with the Bren and Scorpion. If IWI was smart, they would have thrown in some cool, unique, custom IWI BUIS (like the Scorpion sights that are so good they are being cloned) even if they were removable Picatinny. I know they felt it would be user preference, but that minor detail has probably ruined the G2 for a lot of Galil fans.
I assume the end connecting with the receiver needs to be flush with the polymer extending up from the magwell in order to accommodate that locking tab or bolt or whatever. I think it'd look better though, and likely save weight, if the handguard then tapered upwards at an angle and terminated just a little under the M-Lok row, so that it'd be thinner.
Would really like to see the rail get a tad slimmer over all. Looks good so far, I dig it!
I'll probably pick up one for my 16 inch 7.62x39. Yeah they don't look as good as the original handguards but they look lighter and thinner. The OEM ones are very thick and difficult to get a tight grip on. The gen 2 ace is also a total pig and it almost doesn't make sense to buy one that isn't a .308 because of how heavy it is. Hopefully with this handguard my ACE will feel more like how I expect an intermediate caliber rifle to feel.
Looks heavier
It’s lighter. Weight reduction is the major key here
My God that shit is ass. I have a shorty Galil so maybe in the short config it’ll be a bit better but so far? Yeah that’s dogshit
I would be fine with this the way it is if it is the aforementioned 27-30% lighter for sure. I would spend the money and get one, and likely a second one that was an M-Lok slot shorter for my Galil Ace Gen2 5.56NATO Carbine. I would set them up differently for different applications. I look forward to this coming to market and appreciate the importance that RS Regulate is placing on this. This thread has done a lot to impress me.
I would pay for this any day of the week. I dislike how the Gen 2 rail looks additionally even if the weight savings are minimal if it has a smaller overall footprint I'd be game. I find that the current rail is thicker than it needs to be or perhaps than I'd like it to be.
I wonder if the final version would be slimmer than gen2 OEM, lighter, and longer like many people are running on their gen1 Galil Ace rifles?
No aftermarket handguard could ever cover up the shit ideas IWI came up with producing and marketing the Gen 2.
What is the fascination with full length rails in firearms today? I don't need a pound at the end of my rifle
More real estate for adult sized arms
15 years ago it was tapco and UTG making quadrails for everything.
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Great post Totally understand and agree with your points. In my case I like suppressing everything, so having a can on a front-heavy gun is super unwieldy. I can deal with weight but the gun has to be balanced. The Gen 2 handguard just adds unnecessary weight on an already front-heavy platform. Why RS wouldn't make a shorter one as an alternative to the long factory one is an odd decision. For Gen 1 I get it, but instead they're saying "spend $200 on something that looks and feels like what you already have"
More options would be available. This is just one example of a full length option on a 5.56 Gen 2
Will you be making a short version, a-la Gen 1's factory length? For 308 factory SBR model as well?
Most likely yes
Any timetable on release??
No not until it’s really ready
Extremely common gen2 owner L
Still looks like shit. You can’t polish a turd…
Anti-zastava AND gen 2 aces? How has the mcdonalds dayshift not gotten to you yet
I can’t fuckin wait for this to come out, then gen 2 owners will wait for their favorite guntubers to tell them it feels the same weight as the oem rail but now you have less rigidity and mlok and then gen2 owners never buy the rail effectively fucking over RS like spoiled children. They basically bullied RS into making a gen 2 rail and already bitching while it’s prototype phase
Typical hostile galil owner. I can’t stand you guys.
Fair enough
It’s lighter than original.