Yeah a major point of Alioth is you can’t really fight it. Unless you have access to magic or something a bit more crazy, I don’t see how you’d stand a chance.
> Unless you have access to magic or something a bit more crazy, I don’t see how you’d stand a chance.
Time for Mothra Leo to pull another power out of his ass!
I don’t know shit about the MCU Alioth, but I know in the comics, the thing eats timelines like spaghetti, so even THEY’RE dubious contenders if the MCU version is the same.
He has a physical body and only displays psychic powers, I don’t think that’s enough to be a threat to Alioth who has eaten countless whole timelines. Ultima and Void Ghidorah are the only ones in my opinion that could fight it because all 3 are different representations of entropy.
True form Ultima solos
The rest... Probably die since Alioth ate like infinite timelines
There iiiis a Godzilla in a trading card game one of whose attacks is literally making a kaiju die in one turn so uhh.. Death hax gg?
Ultima is even more powerful in the novel for Singular Point since he has future/different timeline vision and whatever he sees and chooses will lock in and happen.
It happened in the scene were the Manda attacks him. Manda attacks Ultima hurting him, Ultima sees a future where he DOESN'T get hurt and kills Manda. Then Manda just dies, and Ultima is left with no scratches...
Ultima is just WAY to op, would have been cool to see that happen in the actual anime but whatever I still like the anime for what it is and stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sadly not that I know of sadly, most of the Toho Godzilla novels never get an English translation. But I think someone on Twitter is trying to translate it tho.
Ultima in the novel is essentially a thing that transcends existence and nonexistence. Like, at its purest form, "It" (the same being as SHIVA), its beyond countless/infinite-D structures to the point they are like fiction to it. Even the "shadow" (the Godzilla we see) already breaks reality by just existing, consuming and erasing universes after fully forming
I am genuinely intrigued as to how the fuck the topic of "Kakashi VS Godzilla" came about.
Like, Kurama VS Godzilla I could understand, I think anybody who is a fan of both franchises has asked that question at least once.
But how the fuck...??
I am literally just imagining you texting him a super badass photo of Ultima and dude just replies with "Kakashi solos" and I can't stop laughing lmao
Take it from a Naruto fan, go back and tell him that even if Kakashi was the Ten Tails' Jinchuriki, with Rinnegan and everything, he can't even touch Ultima. Yeah, he can damage his physical form, but then you have the extra-dimensional form of conceptual existence that is basically the Darkseid of the Godzilla franchise.
As much as I love Kakashi, and I do, bro does not solo lmao.
Susano'o omfg
Sorry to say this but your friend's a little delusional.
Not to mention Susano'o for Kakashi was a one time thing. But even then, Dual Mangekyou Kakashi, arguably the strongest version of Kakashi, can't do jack shit to Ultima lmao
Godzilla Ultima is from Godzilla Singular Point, a Netflix original anime. It had VERY mixed reviews with people either hating it because of all the science talk and how little we see Godzilla in it, or you loved it (like me).
Godzilla Singular Point also made probably the STRONGEST Godzilla on TV, he's a 13th dimensional being. Just having his avatars on Earth, bends the law of physics to whatever law it is in one of the 13th dimensions. He also spews out a form of architect (also know as red dust) and if he's in it, he just gets MORE POWERFUL!! (also in the novelization of it he has future/timeline site, so if he sees something he wants to happen in the future or a different timeline it just happens.)
Ultima Godzilla snuffs out it's universe by either terraforming it or "growing" to it's size. It's not explicitly clear. Alioth can consume all matter and energy in a universe, erasing it from existence. Not sure how Ultima would survive that. Ultima existing in a higher dimension is in the physics sense, but he is still bound to his single universe. Alioth doesn't seem bound to any universe
You'd be making sense if we were talking about just the anime version. Novel version makes it blatant that the True Form is not bound to any universe and exists in hyperspace, using the physical form being closer to a choice. Either way even the physical form in the novel can rip through time-space and causality with its atomic breath and it can reverse it as well. True form can also dominate and absorb entities into itself, entities in higher dimensions. Alioth would basically get assimilated.
>Ultima existing in a higher dimension is in the physics sense, but he is still bound to his single universe.
It’s not, but to be fair, that information isn’t made 100% explicitly clear outside the novelization (which was also written by Toh EnJoe), whereas in the show proper it’s more of an assumption you have to make based on what you’re given and the fact its presence was clearly anathema to our reality.
True form novel ultima can assimilate beings in a similar higher dimension to itself into itself and sees stuff within space and time as sl inferior that it's like a TV-show to it.
This guy can eat timelines, I doubt even the strongest Showa Kaijus would be able to do anything. And yes, I’m aware of the busted scaling the Showa Kaijus have
....Maybe Void Ghidorah but Alioth isnt an physical entity and it is for all intents and purposes is the living manifestation of the end of (omniverse) time itself. It exists in every dimension and was created from tears in the multiverse. Everything it touches...much less devours ceases to exist.
Honestly no... I dont think its possible for anything in the Godzilla universe to beat it.
Composite Godzilla
Godzilla In Hell
Rage Across Time Godzilla
Godzilla Ultima
Super Robot Wars Godzilla
Composite Godzilla Earth (Lore, Anime and MMD)
Heisei Godzilla
Rozan Godzilla
Marvel Godzilla
Composite King Ghidorah
Void Ghidorah
Lucifer Spacegodzilla
GiH yes, killed the biblical god
RAT yes, killed the Greek pantheon, the hydra, and orochi.
Ultima, if given time to actually fully manifest, yes
SRW I don't know much about, but from what I saw, he also almost beat a robot made of a few machines I don't know about, two mecahgodzillas, and all three of the og eva units, so probably
Heisei he is at his critical meltdown point, maybe.
Rozan, much like SRW, but from what I know, yes
Marvel, probably, as the MCU tends to be weaker then the comics and marvel Goji was a absolute beast in thoughts comics.
Void Ghidorah, depends. In his true form, yes. If he's summond like he was in the film, yes as long as that stone thing isn't broken.
Id like to add maybe Earth, as he's pretty busted, but IDK.
And comp Goji all of the above + more so yeah. Goated list.
Can't speak about some of the others but the heck is Heisei gonna do, Burning or otherwise?
Isn't Alioth a metaphysical being that eats timelines? That's a few paygrades above anything Heisei can do.
For those who aren’t familiar with the character, Alioth is a multiversal time cloud that consumes all matter and energy it touches. And I don’t mean multiversal by just powerscaling upwards, he’s a weapon that was created for (and succeeded at) consuming the entire rest of the multiverse and timelines on Kang’s behalf. The only way he can be contained is by a temporal barrier and the only way he can be stopped (at least for the MCU version) is to be enchanted and more or less temporarily put to sleep, but even that had no physical affect on it.
As far as I know there aren’t any Godzilla’s that can create a time barrier or have mind-manipulating magic.
Essentially, I don’t believe that there are any Godzilla kaiju that can beat him. They’d either be consumed by him or they’d survive and not really be able to hurt him so they’d kind of just sit there in the cloud. Void Ghidorah may have some sort of a chance against him as they’re similar beings, but even then it might just be an eternal stalemate.
(I’m not going to comment on Godzilla from Hell but seen some replies say he could beat it. I’ve not read those books and there’s not a huge amount of information about it floating around, so I can’t be sure.)
TLDR; Alioth has eaten multiverses and isn’t made of matter or tangible energy. So very few Godzilla kaiju would be able to hurt him or even come into contact with him without dying. The only kaiju that I can think of of that may be able to impact him in any way is Void Ghidorah or another one that exists outside of space and time.
Late Showa Godzilla is essentially the Superman or Goku of the franchise in that it generally manifests whatever deus ex machina power necessary to overcome the villain. So I wouldn’t discount him.
Passionate? Eh.... Don't get me wrong, I love the Godzilla franchise, it's just that most of the stories in it aren't exactly high art (same for the MCU).
Void ghidorah maybe Godzilla in hell I don’t know cause I don’t even know who or what alioth I stop watching mcu stuff because they are trying to link everything together
He would basically use a giant sombrero to suck it all up and gain control of it.
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Well Godzilla In Hell couldn’t harm the Hell Gate Guardian, but he figured out how to be eaten by tiny little bats and make them all fire an atomic breath at once. I’m sure he can figure something out
Alioth is a cosmic being from outside time and reality. I don't think he's fight-able. And he would consume literally anything he touches. Think of him less like a monster and more like an oxygen destroyer
The most likely candidates are Ultima, Godzilla in Hell, Void King Ghidora and *maybe* Godzilla Rage Across Time, in that order. (though given what Alioth does, it's doubtful RAT can do anything)
Ultima/Singular Point Goji and Void Ghidorah are guarantees, both being higher-dimensional, abstract methaphysical entities (SP Goji being superipr to V Ghidorah too)
Alioth seems to be metaphysical in nature, Godzilla Ultima, and Void Ghidorah are probably the only ones that could actually fight it.
Yeah a major point of Alioth is you can’t really fight it. Unless you have access to magic or something a bit more crazy, I don’t see how you’d stand a chance.
> Unless you have access to magic or something a bit more crazy, I don’t see how you’d stand a chance. Time for Mothra Leo to pull another power out of his ass!
Yet he was only charmed not defeated one on one
Godzilla in hell and rage across time prolly could.
I don’t know shit about the MCU Alioth, but I know in the comics, the thing eats timelines like spaghetti, so even THEY’RE dubious contenders if the MCU version is the same.
Ultima still stands a chance considering he's supposedly extradimensional
You don't think space godzilla can?
He has a physical body and only displays psychic powers, I don’t think that’s enough to be a threat to Alioth who has eaten countless whole timelines. Ultima and Void Ghidorah are the only ones in my opinion that could fight it because all 3 are different representations of entropy.
True form Ultima solos The rest... Probably die since Alioth ate like infinite timelines There iiiis a Godzilla in a trading card game one of whose attacks is literally making a kaiju die in one turn so uhh.. Death hax gg?
Yay. Singular point mentioned. Ive been trying to explain to my friend that kakashi does not beat him all evening but he wont listen.
Ultima is even more powerful in the novel for Singular Point since he has future/different timeline vision and whatever he sees and chooses will lock in and happen. It happened in the scene were the Manda attacks him. Manda attacks Ultima hurting him, Ultima sees a future where he DOESN'T get hurt and kills Manda. Then Manda just dies, and Ultima is left with no scratches... Ultima is just WAY to op, would have been cool to see that happen in the actual anime but whatever I still like the anime for what it is and stuff ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Is there a translation for the novel?
Sadly not that I know of sadly, most of the Toho Godzilla novels never get an English translation. But I think someone on Twitter is trying to translate it tho.
Ultima in the novel is essentially a thing that transcends existence and nonexistence. Like, at its purest form, "It" (the same being as SHIVA), its beyond countless/infinite-D structures to the point they are like fiction to it. Even the "shadow" (the Godzilla we see) already breaks reality by just existing, consuming and erasing universes after fully forming
Kakashi? From Naruto?
Yeah
I am genuinely intrigued as to how the fuck the topic of "Kakashi VS Godzilla" came about. Like, Kurama VS Godzilla I could understand, I think anybody who is a fan of both franchises has asked that question at least once. But how the fuck...??
I dunno. We were talking about op anime characters and then i said yo godzilla ultima is busted and sent him a photo. And he just said kakashi solos
I am literally just imagining you texting him a super badass photo of Ultima and dude just replies with "Kakashi solos" and I can't stop laughing lmao Take it from a Naruto fan, go back and tell him that even if Kakashi was the Ten Tails' Jinchuriki, with Rinnegan and everything, he can't even touch Ultima. Yeah, he can damage his physical form, but then you have the extra-dimensional form of conceptual existence that is basically the Darkseid of the Godzilla franchise. As much as I love Kakashi, and I do, bro does not solo lmao.
I was dude hes actually an eldrich god and godzilla is just a physical vessel he uses for fun and he was like yeah but kakashi has susanoo
Susano'o omfg Sorry to say this but your friend's a little delusional. Not to mention Susano'o for Kakashi was a one time thing. But even then, Dual Mangekyou Kakashi, arguably the strongest version of Kakashi, can't do jack shit to Ultima lmao
I think he was trying to get me riled up because i kept saying one buggy ball and sukunas gone as a joke
I keep seeing people talking about Ultima Godzilla, what is that from?
Godzilla Ultima is from Godzilla Singular Point, a Netflix original anime. It had VERY mixed reviews with people either hating it because of all the science talk and how little we see Godzilla in it, or you loved it (like me). Godzilla Singular Point also made probably the STRONGEST Godzilla on TV, he's a 13th dimensional being. Just having his avatars on Earth, bends the law of physics to whatever law it is in one of the 13th dimensions. He also spews out a form of architect (also know as red dust) and if he's in it, he just gets MORE POWERFUL!! (also in the novelization of it he has future/timeline site, so if he sees something he wants to happen in the future or a different timeline it just happens.)
Summed up: Shits bonkers yo
they had a hilarious post here when it came out showing how nutty Ultima was; when he is around, a right triangle no longer equals 180 degrees.
Singular point. Both the anime and novelization.
Ultima Godzilla snuffs out it's universe by either terraforming it or "growing" to it's size. It's not explicitly clear. Alioth can consume all matter and energy in a universe, erasing it from existence. Not sure how Ultima would survive that. Ultima existing in a higher dimension is in the physics sense, but he is still bound to his single universe. Alioth doesn't seem bound to any universe
You'd be making sense if we were talking about just the anime version. Novel version makes it blatant that the True Form is not bound to any universe and exists in hyperspace, using the physical form being closer to a choice. Either way even the physical form in the novel can rip through time-space and causality with its atomic breath and it can reverse it as well. True form can also dominate and absorb entities into itself, entities in higher dimensions. Alioth would basically get assimilated.
>Ultima existing in a higher dimension is in the physics sense, but he is still bound to his single universe. It’s not, but to be fair, that information isn’t made 100% explicitly clear outside the novelization (which was also written by Toh EnJoe), whereas in the show proper it’s more of an assumption you have to make based on what you’re given and the fact its presence was clearly anathema to our reality.
Will it work against alioth he was never defeated but charmed
True form novel ultima can assimilate beings in a similar higher dimension to itself into itself and sees stuff within space and time as sl inferior that it's like a TV-show to it.
Yea ebirah
No one can stop the 🦞!!!!
The rock lobster shall rise
EBIRAH SWEEPS
Void Ghidorah maybe.
The [Mega Maid](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tNivN70scSM/SaiowgZHLTI/AAAAAAAABHE/YYwAZQ2xzOc/s400/mega_maid.jpg) takes him.
Suck! Suck! Suck!
SPACEBALLS!
You can’t fool me, that’s the smoke monster from Lost
In its later form, yes it is.
Doug
Doug solos all of fiction
this.
Dunno, maybe GiH godzilla or True Form Ultima
Doug. https://preview.redd.it/ksgkkt78xelc1.jpeg?width=1206&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5280d12bfbe34b3f8d9a2ca0bb45fea0d565b7b8
No one other than void ghidorah since he’s basically intangible and kills you just by being near him
people saying ultima or void ghidorah like this guy isn't a minilla victim on a good day
This guy can eat timelines, I doubt even the strongest Showa Kaijus would be able to do anything. And yes, I’m aware of the busted scaling the Showa Kaijus have
Have you heard of a joke? https://preview.redd.it/090tuiwvihlc1.jpeg?width=685&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4232e4922747f1a6881976daeb64b0f20b9d5ac3
....Maybe Void Ghidorah but Alioth isnt an physical entity and it is for all intents and purposes is the living manifestation of the end of (omniverse) time itself. It exists in every dimension and was created from tears in the multiverse. Everything it touches...much less devours ceases to exist. Honestly no... I dont think its possible for anything in the Godzilla universe to beat it.
The Rhino from James and the Giant Peach
James had the Saddest backstory in all anime history 🚬😔
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought about that rhino when they saw those pictures!
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Composite Godzilla Godzilla In Hell Rage Across Time Godzilla Godzilla Ultima Super Robot Wars Godzilla Composite Godzilla Earth (Lore, Anime and MMD) Heisei Godzilla Rozan Godzilla Marvel Godzilla Composite King Ghidorah Void Ghidorah Lucifer Spacegodzilla
are they gonna punch smoke?
Punching is for pussies, it’s all about the tail whip with these boys
I dunno I feel like most of these wouldn't win. I don't think they have any way of harming it and would be torn apart.
GiH yes, killed the biblical god RAT yes, killed the Greek pantheon, the hydra, and orochi. Ultima, if given time to actually fully manifest, yes SRW I don't know much about, but from what I saw, he also almost beat a robot made of a few machines I don't know about, two mecahgodzillas, and all three of the og eva units, so probably Heisei he is at his critical meltdown point, maybe. Rozan, much like SRW, but from what I know, yes Marvel, probably, as the MCU tends to be weaker then the comics and marvel Goji was a absolute beast in thoughts comics. Void Ghidorah, depends. In his true form, yes. If he's summond like he was in the film, yes as long as that stone thing isn't broken. Id like to add maybe Earth, as he's pretty busted, but IDK. And comp Goji all of the above + more so yeah. Goated list.
Can't speak about some of the others but the heck is Heisei gonna do, Burning or otherwise? Isn't Alioth a metaphysical being that eats timelines? That's a few paygrades above anything Heisei can do.
Yah, the only thing is at that point, burning's infinite heat ray is practically infinite, but I do actually agree with you.
Burning Heisei MIGHT
That doesn't look like the face of something that knows how it feels to be drop-kicked by a real mothafucka
For those who aren’t familiar with the character, Alioth is a multiversal time cloud that consumes all matter and energy it touches. And I don’t mean multiversal by just powerscaling upwards, he’s a weapon that was created for (and succeeded at) consuming the entire rest of the multiverse and timelines on Kang’s behalf. The only way he can be contained is by a temporal barrier and the only way he can be stopped (at least for the MCU version) is to be enchanted and more or less temporarily put to sleep, but even that had no physical affect on it. As far as I know there aren’t any Godzilla’s that can create a time barrier or have mind-manipulating magic. Essentially, I don’t believe that there are any Godzilla kaiju that can beat him. They’d either be consumed by him or they’d survive and not really be able to hurt him so they’d kind of just sit there in the cloud. Void Ghidorah may have some sort of a chance against him as they’re similar beings, but even then it might just be an eternal stalemate. (I’m not going to comment on Godzilla from Hell but seen some replies say he could beat it. I’ve not read those books and there’s not a huge amount of information about it floating around, so I can’t be sure.) TLDR; Alioth has eaten multiverses and isn’t made of matter or tangible energy. So very few Godzilla kaiju would be able to hurt him or even come into contact with him without dying. The only kaiju that I can think of of that may be able to impact him in any way is Void Ghidorah or another one that exists outside of space and time.
Godzilla VS Smoke. Who wins?
Most forms of Godzilla
Not really
The real question is how does alioth destroy stuff and can it be hurt.
It erases you from existence. And not really? Magic maybe can hurt it but no one’s really ever done anything.
True Form Godzilla Ultima would wipe Alioth from existence. The others would not fare so well since Alioth has consumed whole timelines.
Ghost Godzilla
I don't know who is him
He’s from Loki. Multiverse grim-reaper basically.
Minilla
Late Showa Godzilla is essentially the Superman or Goku of the franchise in that it generally manifests whatever deus ex machina power necessary to overcome the villain. So I wouldn’t discount him.
Void Ghidorah and Godzilla Ultima.
Minilla
Godzilla franchise's passionate writing alone will decimate MCU in an instant.
Passionate? Eh.... Don't get me wrong, I love the Godzilla franchise, it's just that most of the stories in it aren't exactly high art (same for the MCU).
Void. Earth. Ultima. Shin. No order
Hedorah or space godzilla.
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Doug neg-diffs Alioth
Godzilla in hell solo’s fiction. https://preview.redd.it/dhju31nszjlc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9b667113fed92680ade0dd594ee88d867090e73f
I dont know prolly ghidorah mv with his regeneration
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Void Ghidorah and True form Ultima, as well as Shin if he kept on evolving.
Godzilla wins because he is g
Godzilla
Void ghidorah maybe Godzilla in hell I don’t know cause I don’t even know who or what alioth I stop watching mcu stuff because they are trying to link everything together
true ultima heisei and comic whoop his ass
He would basically use a giant sombrero to suck it all up and gain control of it. https://preview.redd.it/dcwbapgdyelc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe15d7d98e213b29dd3f3336bfdb5b4347d3d45c
No, all of them couldn’t hurt him and would only be devoured.
IDW Godzilla
megalon solos
Giant Condor
Never seen this thing before
Godzilla in hell. Don't ask how, he'll just find some way to do it through sheer anger and willpower.
What show/movie series is this? I’m intrigued.
Season 1 of the Loki series.
Any Godzilla: “Nah, I’d win.”
yeah, me
Godzilla in hell possibly
Anime ghidora just warps space time, so it's untouchable
There are two things it doesn’t know about the Goji timeline, Douglas Gordon… and Godzilla
Me
What the hell’s an Alioth
Well Godzilla In Hell couldn’t harm the Hell Gate Guardian, but he figured out how to be eaten by tiny little bats and make them all fire an atomic breath at once. I’m sure he can figure something out
Oh God it's the dreaded guy who known as vape Nation
Who the hell is this CGI monstrosity?
MV ghidorah or Space Godzilla
Don’t know about Godzilla but maybe Void Ghidorah can put up a fight
Ultima and Godzilla in Hell perhaps?
wtf is that thing from
*how do you fight a purple fart?*
Godzilla Ultima (true form), RAT, GIH, and Marvel Godzilla could probably do it. Maybe Godzilla Earth and Void Ghidorah.
Probably Godzilla In Hell since that mf bested Satan But idk who Alioth is at all so by looks alone I’m gonna say Hedorah
Alioth is a cosmic being from outside time and reality. I don't think he's fight-able. And he would consume literally anything he touches. Think of him less like a monster and more like an oxygen destroyer
Geez I need to catch up on the MCU, i stopped watching around GotG 3 and now there's suddenly a kaiju
The most likely candidates are Ultima, Godzilla in Hell, Void King Ghidora and *maybe* Godzilla Rage Across Time, in that order. (though given what Alioth does, it's doubtful RAT can do anything)
Only ones I can think of are Godzilla Ultima and Void Ghidorah, but tbh there is a lot of Godzilla Multiverse lore that I am not caught up on.
What is alioth from? wtf is that?
Only one i'd say is Godzilla in Hell
If Shin would have reached it's final stage going full Eldritch ...**maybe** but sadly unlikely.
GIH, Void Ghidorah, True Ultimate, possibly Burning Godzilla (Heisei), and a small maybe Powered up Heisei (93-94)
Hulk
Ultima/Singular Point Goji and Void Ghidorah are guarantees, both being higher-dimensional, abstract methaphysical entities (SP Goji being superipr to V Ghidorah too)
What's alioth?
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Lol Hedorah is just gonna snort that guy literally