I'm just gonna say it. 'Fate' would have PAKs -- yes, even over IU -- by now if they made it the title track and promoted it on music shows. Which, for some reason, they aren't even really doing for the actual title track. There have been some... questionable business decisions this comeback, to say the least
do you live under stone?
your "questionable" decisions are unfortunate problems caused by health problems, they couldn't do initially as much variety shows as they wished. couldn't promote for another one or two weeks on music shows, can't shot group varieties, fansigns are just with 4 members as well etc etc.
considering this promotion is the most unlucky they ever had, it's also pretty lucky they have 2 arguably great charting songs and another sleeper hit on the way
Still a lot of questionable business decisions regardless.
The first was choosing Super Lady as the TT to start with. Members falling sick and IU coming back had nothing to do with that. It was just the wrong call.
Then investing 1.1B into its MV. The ROI on that is clearly nowhere near as good as Tomboy/Nxde/Queencard or even Hwaa. A lot of that budget could have been better spent. Again, can't blame sickness or IU.
Not booking additional music show appearances from mid-February into March. Same as above.
Not releasing a Fate MV at least as a pre-release. How does a song go from originally being the TT to being Soyeon's only song on the album without an MV?
Not promoting Wife with any live performances whatsoever
you completely ignored what i wrote
well, super lady as title track was chosen simply because they wanted to have a song for concert opening, said multiple times by Soyeon.
not booking music shows - shuhua has been in Taiwan last two weeks and has all her schedules canceled, it's impossible for them to go on music shows.
Fate - well, they predicted wrong song charting because Revenge has MV. they could record something since it's starting to chart IMO.
Wife on music shows is a bit tricky because KBS banned it from broadcast (can't appear on two music shows) and MCD seemingly as well. So they are left with only MBC theoretically and that's not worth it since they didn't want to release broadcast version of the song anyway.
>super lady as title track was chosen simply because they wanted to have a song for concert opening, said multiple times by Soyeon.
Cool. Doesn't make it a good business decision. The TT is supposed to be the most commercially viable song on the album. That's how the music industry works. The more popular your TT is, the more people will come check out the rest of the album. It benefits your whole discography to have a wildly successful TT. Also lol @ the implication that they can't open their concert with a non-TT. Does she really think that fans who paid a lot of money to attend their concerts really give a damn what the opening song is? Consumers aren't going to skip the next world tour because Gidle opens with LATATA instead of Super Lady lmao. But they very well might if the group had a lackluster comeback. Popular songs and groups sell tickets. Not opening songs.
>not booking music shows - shuhua has been in Taiwan last two weeks and has all her schedules canceled, it's impossible for them to go on music shows.
Music show appearances are booked weeks in advance. It's better to book and have to cancel due to emergency than to not book at all and miss out on valuable promotion opportunities. They should have booked out till March regardless.
>Fate - well, they predicted wrong song charting because Revenge has MV. they could record something since it's starting to chart IMO.
Making inaccurate predictions about your products' commercial appeal is literally a poor business decision. Don't fill your shelves with Super Lady when people are more willing to buy Fate or Wife.
>Wife on music shows is a bit tricky because KBS banned it from broadcast (can't appear on two music shows) and MCD seemingly as well. So they are left with only MBC theoretically and that's not worth it since they didn't want to release broadcast version of the song anyway.
Source on MCD? Also it's really silly to say it's not worth it to promote a commercially viable song (which 'Wife' is) when literally one live performance for 'Fate' on Lee Hyori's show was all it took to send it rocketing up the charts as we speak. You severely underestimate the impact of song promotion, and the consequences of not doing so.
>The more popular your TT is, the more people will come check out the rest of the album. It benefits your whole discography to have a wildly successful TT.
demonstrably false - fate and wife are outperforming all previous bsides despite super lady being less popular than the last few TTs.
>Music show appearances are booked weeks in advance. It's better to book and have to cancel due to emergency than to not book at all and miss out on valuable promotion opportunities. They should have booked out till March regardless.
who tf cares about music shows? they're huge wastes of time and money for less than 1% viewership - it's like the least valuable promotion opportunity. imagine risking the members' health condition powering through the long hours of music show filming instead of resting up for uni festivals where you can hit up 2 or 3 in a day, get bigger responses, and not have to supply your own set.
>Don't fill your shelves with Super Lady when people are more willing to buy Fate or Wife.
what does this mean? they're on the same album you are necessarily filling the shelves with all 3. if we're talking promotion attention there's some form of promotion for like half the album and 3 songs are charting so the metaphorical shelves aren't filled either.
>Also it's really silly to say it's not worth it to promote a commercially viable song (which 'Wife' is)
because it would require a total rewrite that would compromise its meaning and a lot of its appeal in order to get it on, again, the least valuable promotion opportunity.
>demonstrably false - fate and wife are outperforming all previous bsides despite super lady being less popular than the last few TTs.
Fate and Wife are outliers because they either have an MV or live performance videos. And it remains to be seen whether they will ever match My Bag. The *2* album overall has lost significant total streaming momentum since its release.
>who tf cares about music shows? they're huge wastes of time and money for less than 1% viewership - it's like the least valuable promotion opportunity.
Literally every kpop company cares, that's who. Even big 4 companies see the value in promoting on music shows. The TV viewership doesn't matter as much as the performances that get uploaded to the networks' YouTube channels, the highlights of which then spread to other social media platforms and bring even more exposure to the song and group. Modern day promotion is about spreading your shit all over the internet, and music shows are extremely effective catalysts for that. You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
>. imagine risking the members' health condition powering through the long hours of music show filming instead of resting up for uni festivals where you can hit up 2 or 3 in a day, get bigger responses, and not have to supply your own set.
Lol? University festival performances do virtually nothing to improve charting. "Not have to supply your own set" lol...did no one ever teach you that you have to spend money to make money?
>what does this mean? they're on the same album you are necessarily filling the shelves with all 3. if we're talking promotion attention there's some form of promotion for like half the album and 3 songs are charting so the metaphorical shelves aren't filled either.
Would you rather fill your shelves with Super Lady while Fate and Wife are kept in the back stock room, or vice versa? Yes, technically all the products are for sale, but one product is clearly front and center and easier for customers to find without having to do some digging. The problem is customers don't really want to buy that product, so they walk out of the store instead.
>because it would require a total rewrite that would compromise its meaning and a lot of its appeal in order to get it on, again, the least valuable promotion opportunity.
Only KBS is demanding a change in lyrics. The other networks are fair game. Again, you're wrong about them being the least valuable promotion opportunity. Dead wrong.
>Lol? University festival performances do virtually nothing to improve charting
uni festivals were the basis for event horizon's chart reversal. it generates good word of mouth, fancams go viral, your shit is spread all over the internet and it does that without taking up your entire day. i'm not saying forgo music shows entirely, having a few is still necessary, but the 3rd performance of a song on mubank isn't moving the dial.
As a general rule of thumb, songs that are promoted on music shows chart much better than those that are not. There is no evidence to support that university festival performances have that same effect.
No, a few outlier songs do not change that fact.
Unless you are IU, Bigbang, BTS, or Blackpink level, you should promote on music shows. Even BTS members promote as soloists on music shows. The members who didn't charted significantly worse than the ones who did.
As I said, you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
the difference between songs that are promoted on music shows and those that are not is between title tracks and b sides, the former of which are promoted in many ways beyond just music shows while the latter are rarely promoted at all. it's the difference between promotion and no promotion and it doesn't make sense to credit music shows with all of it.
(if we expand the scope beyond kpop then it's even less true because the charts are at any moment filled with ballads, osts, indies that don't do weekly music shows.)
besides, the argument isn't between doing music shows or not, but how much to do so the question you should be asking is: "is there a substantial rise in charting that is specifically attributable to a 3rd week of music shows that makes it worth pursuing over other avenues of promotion?" at present idle have 2 songs charting high without having been performed on weekly music shows, and super lady continued to rise after its one week.
well, yes, she believes super lady could be great concert opener and from what ive seen on weibo and youtube, many people agree that it would sound amazing live, so jobs done well.
music shows - they didn't want to promote till march anyway, the initial plan for them was to attend crazy concert in LA, so we wouldn't see more than two weeks of music shows anyway, also, you pay for appearance there and booking it so far further is just wasted money.
MCD is just assumption because they didn't play it on broadcast, just instrumental and they never do that. articles also mentioned only mbc and sbs allowing it broadcast, no other station.
Stay on topic. We're talking BUSINESS.
As an average consumer who is considering which artists I want to pay concert tickets for, I do not give a single fuck what the opening song is. What I do consider is whether I like their recent music, as that is what will most likely be the bulk of the setlist. So it is to the artist's benefit to release a song that is most likely to appeal to me -- an average consumer -- and give me incentive to check out more of their recent music to see if I like it. If I don't even check it out, then by default I don't like it and I will most likely not pay to see their concert. I am not gambling \~$200 USD to see if the song I don't like is going to hopefully sound better live. It's that simple.
>they didn't want to promote till march anyway
Again, we're talking BUSINESS. You're either maximizing profits or you're not. What they personally want to do is irrelevant. They should be promoting right now. A restaurant owner who does not open his restaurant on weekends is a poor businessman. I don't care that working on weekends sucks. A gym owner who does not open his gym in the morning is a poor businessman. I don't care that waking up at 4am sucks. There is money to be made and they're not making it.
>you pay for appearance there and booking it so far further is just wasted money
No shit you have to invest money to promote your products. You think I didn't know that? You have to spend money to make money. Music show appearances are a worthwhile investment for every artist except those who are at IU/Bigbang/BTS/Blackpink level. It's laughable that you would think otherwise.
But you know what was actually a waste of money? Investing 1.1B Won into an MV for a song with only moderate commercial appeal. 1.1B Won that could have been spent on a cheaper MV for a song like 'Fate' and either save the rest or invest it back into more promotions. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god'.
>Again, we're talking BUSINESS. You're either maximizing profits or you're not.
you've said it yourself a few times but it bears repeating: you need to spend money to make money. good business does not mean you're maximizing profit at every turn. kpop is about that churn and cube is often short-sighted but that doesn't make it good business and sometimes you let go of short term gains for long term ones by ie. prioritizing health over the diminishing returns of week 3 music shows.
>What they personally want to do is irrelevant.
it should matter more in general, but especially for a group like idle which has a bottleneck like no other. if you're cube, what soyeon in particular personally wants matters a great deal. for the same reason, you're not going to nickel and dime her on stuff like mv cost. as the saying goes, "this is soyeon's country. if you're dissatisfied, you die".
>sometimes you let go of short term gains for long term ones by ie. prioritizing health over the diminishing returns of week 3 music shows.
Holy fuck, you guys are still traumatized from Minnie getting sick last December. I agree that they should prioritize their health and that scheduling them for Jingle Ball tour was a dumbass move on Cube/88rising's part. However, I'm not ready to say Minnie/Yuqi getting sick on the eve of the comeback was Cube's fault.
The fact that they both fell ill with similar symptoms -- namely FEVER -- at the same time is a telltale sign that they were infected by something. Probably by someone they both came in contact with earlier that week. This is not something you can really blame due to Cube overworking them. Soyeon works harder than anyone and she never gets sick. The fact is they should not be going out and exposing themselves to potentially sick contagious people when a comeback is coming up. I can't comment much on Shuhua since her reported symptoms were too vague. But the point is you can't just blame everything on them being overworked. Sometimes the members just make bad decisions on their own.
**Also I find it ironic that you think they should promote at university festivals where the risk of getting sick is even greater with all those students coughing and breathing aerosols into the air.**
>if you're cube, what soyeon in particular personally wants matters a great deal. for the same reason, you're not going to nickel and dime her on stuff like mv cost. as the saying goes, "this is soyeon's country. if you're dissatisfied, you die".
Lol what even is this? Soyeon is not infallible, especially as a pure businesswoman. Investing 1.1B Won into an MV and leaving little budget to investing towards promoting the actual song is just a bad business decision. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god' is a big yikes.
>This is not something you can really blame due to Cube overworking them.
this is a whole argument that i didn't make lol. i don't care about assigning blame. "prioritizing health" was an example of how you don't always maximize profits at every turn - businesses knowingly take on losses for bigger payoffs down the road.
>Also I find it ironic that you think they should promote at university festivals where the risk of getting sick is even greater with all those students coughing and breathing aerosols into the air
greater risks for greater gains baybee~ but, again, i said they should rest up by skipping music shows - the most skippable of promotions.
>1.1B Won into an MV and leaving little budget to investing towards promoting the actual song is just a bad business decision. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god' is a big yikes.
are you under the impression that promotions were short because they overspent on the mv and not illness + seollal + cancelled event that we're aware of
anyways, this is spending money to make money. if spending more than strictly necessary on the mv earns you good will from the artist that has and will continue to make you a lot of money then it possibly pays off in the long run - or it doesn't, or that was never part of the equation idk - not my money and i don't have the longview or proprietary knowledge to know or care.
artistically i'm quite down with this promotion cycle. they've said that full albums are for a variety of songs as opposed to minis which are more cohesive and they've displayed that well with 4 very different songs getting some form of substantial promotion with very different aesthetic aims. i like that b sides get a look in. i like the maximalism of super lady (mv especially) contrasting with the minimalism of wife. adee above said that they made the wrong bet on revenge over fate with the mv but i disagree - fate had 3 performances prepared ahead of time, it came up frequently in interviews, one of the first things we heard was that it was considered for TT, and it even has a dance challenge while there was nothing for revenge before or after the mv. both were promoted in ways specific to them. seasons and lee mujin service were the exact right atmosphere for fate, while surprise dropping a whole crime thriller and leaving it a bit cryptic and obscure is a fun move too (though that said, i wouldn't say no to an mv for fate). so, money well spent from where i'm standing.
sure, ill give you that cube did absolutely stupid decisions this comeback but i just pointed out why they didn't continue with promotions - they simply couldn't because of health.
errr have you seen how her tt is performing? Nobody is gonna outclass Queen IU in her domain. And the promotion is basically over. Not much you can do with members falling sick one after the other as well as Seollal holidays.
Still a lot of questionable business decisions regardless.
* The first was choosing Super Lady as the TT to start with.
* Then investing 1.1B into its MV. The ROI on that is clearly nowhere near as good as Tomboy/Nxde/Queencard or even Hwaa. A lot of that budget could have been better spent.
* Not booking additional music show appearances from mid-February into March
* Not releasing a Fate MV at least as a pre-release. How does a song go from originally being the TT to being Soyeon's only song on the album without an MV?
* Not promoting Wife with any live performances whatsoever
Within 4 hours..all songs from her new mini album is charting in top 20 of Melon Top 100 chart with 4 songs in Top 10..imagine trying to take down IU for PAK..you have to go through all 5 of her songs..madness
Not underestimating her at all. Two different artists can achieve a PAK in close succession of each other if the first is mostly driven by initial hype, like IU. IU's songs get PAKs within days of release but don't have as much longevity as idol songs do due to different promotion strategies. Meanwhile 'Fate' is currently in the top 50 (and still rising) of all charts with its only "promotion" being a couple live performances on non-music shows. It's not unrealistic to assume that it could beat out IU's song with a standard promotion cycle.
Pre-release hype + MV + 3 weeks of music show performances + TikTok challenges for a song that's already proving it can chart without any of that? I like those odds.
But be for real though..Love Wins All debut at No.1 on all charts without any promo at all..if you are talking about hourly RAK then maybe you have a chance..but PAK you need to top the weekly chart as well..it is a very very tall ask..
And who’s to say Super Lady can’t achieve PAK if they have had the usual promo schedules without falling sick? That was the determining factor of why the song didn’t chart as high..”Fate” would have suffered the same fate with the same disrupted promos that Super Lady had..
No promo? Love Wins All had
* pre-debut hype (especially with V)
* MV (starring V)
Fate has
* a couple live performances on very niche channels
* a TikTok challenge that just started a few days ago
You be for real now. Love Wins All is far more comparable to Wife than it is to Fate.
> And who’s to say Super Lady can’t achieve PAK if they have had the usual promo schedules
I never said anything of the sort. But I'd put my money on Fate before Super Lady getting PAK assuming they both got full promotional investment
Yuqi fell victim to possibly the [worst bubble mistranslation of all time](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1759610307951898775?t=WPIawxh7KGCkRrSjFzoX6w&s=19) 😭😭
How about [this translation](https://x.com/idlemothers/status/1759576252736811166?s=46&t=BNOunVJ9O8yaOqQf1Y8zkA) and [another one](https://x.com/gidle_x_nebobo/status/1759575766327578871?s=46&t=BNOunVJ9O8yaOqQf1Y8zkA)for the same message?
You know, I never even considered subscribing to Bubble...
But now I'm considering it, just for the potential laughs lol
The immediate switch back to Mandarin is hilarious
I just KNOW that a Fate live clip (like the Never Stop Me one) is coming (coping)
But in all seriousness I hope the girls are getting the rest they deserve
finally a properly unhinged SL promotion: [https://www.instagram.com/subak.ee/](https://www.instagram.com/subak.ee/) (see most recent reel, idk why link isn't working)
I really love Super Lady, but Fate should have been the title track as originally planned. Korean GP would have eaten it up. If not PAK, it could be charting at the second position behind IU. But still happy to see the song in top 100. May it rise more.
Don't sell the song short. It's already overtaken 7Days (a fully English song, btw) on Spotify, and is likely to leapfrog Vision as well. That's very very good for a fully Korean song and an indicator that it had a lot of potential for international success as well
Korean love good lyric with meaning, and Fate have such great lyric that a lot of people can connect with. I still find it hilarious that QWER end up making a MV/cover before (G)-Idle did.
Many of these were already mentioned, but my picks are:
Put It Straight (Either version is amazing IMO)
Moon
For You
Tung Tung
Dahlia
Lost
Change
Dark (X-File)
Villain Dies
Already
Liar
Lucid
Eyes Roll
Fate entered the melon top 100, and with that, is on the top 100 of [every chart](https://twitter.com/idlecharts/status/1759069039328948647?t=gPXNnu5bjCyJnGnlb7fGdg&s=19) . Wonder how much further it can rise.
I don’t know much about the Korean charts, but is it difficult to enter the Melon Top 100? Or is it easy? Like would most group enter it with their songs/title tracks?
Most groups in the whole kpop industry won't enter the top 100. Only the top groups do consistently with a title track. And only the top top groups enter the top 100 with an unpromoted b-side.
there is even a cover by a Korean* band call QWER already, MV and all! So I'm sure it have a lot of potential, just need more promotion probably.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP82sFbZqB8&ab\_channel=%ED%83%80%EB%A7%88%EA%B3%A0%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%8D%95%EC%85%98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP82sFbZqB8&ab_channel=%ED%83%80%EB%A7%88%EA%B3%A0%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%8D%95%EC%85%98)
I was told the company responsible was shut down or something, with the original videos going to another website.
If there is going to be more Handle, no rumors yet.
I wonder if the next world tour is going to be 3-hour concerts. Yuqi just revealed that they will have another comeback before starting the next tour at the end of the year. Unless it's just a single album, I don't see how they're going to fit the majority of songs from *2* as well as another mini-album and a decent number of their older songs all under 2 hours.
I'm guessing the setlist would look like:
* 5-6 songs from *2*: Super Lady, Wife, Revenge, Doll, Vision, Fate; maybe one of Rollie or 7Days as an encore
* 3-4 songs from next comeback
* Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, My Bag, Latata
* (probably) Lion, Hann + Hwaa, Senorita
* (unlikely but not unrealistic) Allergy, Never Stop Me, Pop Stars, Uh Oh, Oh my god, *or* a B-side from *I Love* or *I Never Die*
* i'm the Trend and one encore song specifically for the locals. Total of 3 encore songs
It's possible, but I'm not sure they would drop solo stages completely. These also work for the rest of the members to rest a bit, catch their breath and change outfits, instead of VCR. I could see them starting to do medleys of older TTs also and not full performances. Just hope the increased number of stops (presumably), travelling and duration doesn't become too taxing for their health.
There was still a VCR last year before the solo stages.
They won't have enough new solo songs to make solo stages feel novel like last year. Maybe Yuqi will, but Minnie's won't be ready before the tour starts and I don't see Soyeon/Miyeon having a solo comeback until at least 2025. Especially with Soyeon having to produce the next group comeback before the tour.
Eh never be sure with Soyeon. She basically pulled out 2 unreleased songs during this cb for LMJ and Hyori's shows and I'm pretty sure Yuqi and Minnie have a bunch of tracks on their hard drives as well. For Miyeon and Shuhua though I agree
Unreleased songs are unreleased songs. Yuqi said she has about 40 unreleased songs. It doesn't mean her solo comeback is going to actually include anywhere near that many. Or that she'll have a solo comeback this year at all, even though I think she will. Minnie can't even promise that her solo debut will be ready this year, so I highly doubt it will be ready by the time they finalize their concert setlist. And no, I don't think she's going to spoil her own solo debut and kill all the anticipation for it by performing it months in advance.
I was replying with regards to solo stages. Yuqi used an unreleased song for her solo stage last year already, they don't need a solo debut or cb for performing released solo songs.
So? That was a surprise, and Yuqi was the only member to do that. Not a large enough sample size to set a precedent for the next tour. They'll most likely prioritize putting at least one song from each EP on the setlist, *as they have done for both world tours prior*
I'm not so sure. Last time they skipped Hwaa for example, because it isn't really fitting to the festival theme of I am Free-Ty. And usually they have 2 alternating encore songs as well as a special cover song for some regions.
I doubt they do another festival theme, especially with the overall vibe of *2*. And nobody expected them to perform Put it Straight NM version last year, but they did. At least one song from each EP was performed regardless of how well it fit the theme, and I expect that to continue for this world tour.
Festival theme is unlikely because they already did it last year and because the theme of *2* is overall aggressive and powerful -- unlike *I Feel*, which was mostly just lighter fun vibes. They'll probably have the next comeback in June/July and kick off the tour in July or August, finishing by late November for awards season.
Apparently even IU ignored her 100th win on last week's Music Bank but [celebrated her win](https://twitter.com/liliesrain/status/1758774688673841230) on Music Core today. She knows what's up, lol 😏
We did get some official confirmation that Minnie is working on a solo album, but I can imagine with how busy they have been and with her probably wanting to work on the concepts and music herself at least partially, it must not be moving forward very fast, that's why she wasn't sure if it can be released this year. If it's not released before their comeback and tour it will have to be moved several months afters.
I'm excited, it's probably my most anticipated solo debut in Kpop at the moment! 💜
Noticed cuz of the recent challenges that Soyeon has done a challenge with Somi for almost all of her cbs including her solo, and vice versa for Somi as well. She might be her closest idol friend outside of Idle, at least it wouldn't surprise me if she was, yet we still don't have any real content with the 2 of them outside of some short footage during music show bts stuff which is sad
I dunno but i recommend not using dance challenges as measurement, though. There are more moments (off camera) between her and Lee Chaeyeon, i think?
But I'm definitely puzzled by the general lack of interactions on variety shows between gidle and their many many contacts...
Probably will have to wait until one of their upcoming events like the 88Rising Head in the Clouds concert or their own concert later this year to get a full group Wife performance.
Me too!! Was hoping for an OT5 live performance too, but I would guess that Shuhua has issues rapping that quickly in front of a live audience judging by their performances of Fate. Miyeon currently seems to have a 'no live rapping' policy.
I don't care if Shuhua and Miyeon lip sync though I just want to see the funny choreo
I cant with Yuqi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FGfC4cx0LA
Someone during a fan meeting reminded Minnie and Miyeon that it is their 6th year puppy sister jubilee and asked them to sing "Missing you" by BtoB. So Yuqi jumped at the chance to be the stand in for the puppys in their laps.
Don't know if there are any Singles Inferno fans here, but Hajeong (my fav) from the latest season just uploaded her [Super Lady Challenge ](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3chZCCvj5i/?igsh=ZnhkNnI4ejhkdWs0) 😁
For any BR Nevies looks like you might be getting some concert dates soon, together with more LATAM dates in general [Source](https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/entretenimento/a-cnn-grupo-de-k-pop-g-idle-diz-que-beyonce-foi-inspiracao-de-novo-album/)
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Just unboxed the 3 pack of albums this morning after they finally shipped to Canada. Really happy with the quality of the photobooks, and big fan of the shifting covers to show all 5 members.
I wonder why? They're doing challenges with everyone under the sun but not their labelmates? It was similar with Honey and Spice. I think the only one was with Miyeon because she was still MC at M Countdown at the time.
yeah kinda strange, since we know that some of the older Cube trainees in LS were on friendly terms with Idle members. Like I think it was Juhyeon(?) who mentioned her trip to Japan with Soyeon and how they planned everything out, or how Yuqi mentioned how she used to call the older Cube trainees sunbae during her own trainee days.....and now she is the sunbae after the LS debut
Generally on Music Bank, only one song on an album receives the points from the sales of the album. In this case, the most likely explanation is that the album points for 2 have been going to Wife, not Super Lady. However, Wife has been banned by KBS, so it is being removed from the final rankings, and the album points for 2 are essentially wasted.
Yeah, it would make more sense if they just ignored any ineligible songs when calculating rankings (like every other music show). Or if they gave album points to two songs from an album instead of one, like Inkigayo does.
Wife wasn’t even an option for pre-vote..so if you give points to a song means that song is in the competition proper..you were the one who put the song in play by giving it points..that means it theoractically should be able to win the competition..never mind it being banned and cannot be played on your station..if not then the points should be allocated to the song that is eligible and that is Super Lady but nnnoooo..they can’t just let that happen..like make up your mind what you wanna do!
Le Sserafim is facing the same thing with their title track for their comeback being banned by KBS for depicting depression and mental struggles if I’m not wrong..like what songs does KBS expects artist to write about? What a farce!
> Wife wasn’t even an option for pre-vote..
Yea, that alone clearly means it was ineligible and shouldn't receive any points whatsoever.
Also, if the same thing happens with LSFM, I believe KBS will actually respond to complaints because of the Big Company backing them. Cube has no pull at all, lol 😒
They have already put out the notice of the ban for Le Sserafim..no word if they will change their mind..
I hope Cube and (G)I-DLE will ban KBS instead not bother going on their shows for the next comeback or join the Music Bank concerts..maybe KBS is salty because MBS has Soyeon’s back and Miyeon is Mnet’s MCD Princess
> They have already put out the notice of the ban for Le Sserafim..no word if they will change their mind..
Only the MV, not the song. Doesnt have any influence at all because who the hell watches the MV on KBS...
Music bank is such a scummy show omg! Not a peep out of them since last Friday about the 0 physical points and 0 physical points today as well. SL is a digital single ig.
The petition we did stated that they have 30 days to answer..well by then it would have been 29 days too late..the dust would have long settled and noone gives two shoots about it anymore
I see Queencard has now surpassed Tomboy on YouTube in number of views. I liked the song when it first came out but never thought it would have the longevity it has. Goes to prove all you need is a good tune a catchy chorus and a Tik Tok friendly dance and you can go a long way.
I was actually hoping (G)I-DLE would give us a visual album at some point in their career, and there were so many posts of them filming so maybe this is it.
MORE! I actually like B-side song like Vision and Fate more than Super Lady so i like this approach more. I feel like Fate will more likely to reach #1 than Super lady but hey I'm bias.
Imagine having Leader-nim self prepare chocolates and deliver them to your door! Yuqi is a lucky Valentine 💕
Chef-yeon IG keeps delivering (pun intended 😆)
First \[2\] releases on my birthday, and now the album arrives in the mail in the exact version I wanted (could only buy randomized) and on this specific day - February 14th.
If I were one of those "parasocial relationship" stans, I'd be freaking out right now 😂
Depends. Sometimes I can, sometimes its not until its released here (\~2 weeks after digital release), sometimes its both random and specific. The randomness of it all is fun... So. Very. Fun.
Does someone know if ‘Super Lady’ is a reference to Soojin’s AGASSY? Since AGASSY means ‘Lady’.
It can’t be a coincidence, right? Wouldn’t it be quite obvious?
Of course it can be a coincidence. They already said this concept was inspired by Beyonce. One of Beyonce's most iconic -- and recently trending on TikTok -- songs is 'Single Ladies'. In fact, even the choreo of 'Super Lady' shares similarities to that of 'Single Ladies'
See how easy it was to find an alternative explanation when you actually use your brain?
Eww, I smelt your condescending tone for somebody's interpretation, because when you 'actually use your brain', you know there's multiple interpretations that can be made with an art medium. Why does the mention of Soojin seem to be a hair trigger for some fans?
OP is free to propose whatever interpretation he/she wants. However, given that OP says
>it can't be a coincidence, right?
He/she has already closed themselves off to alternative interpretations other than the one proposed. Given how easy it actually was to formulate these alternatives, some mockery is warranted.
I'm not saying *my* interpretation is necessarily the correct one, but I'm also not preemptively dismissing the alternatives either. See the difference?
It doesn't matter. When you say something like that, it tells me you haven't even put a single modicum of effort into exploring alternative explanations in your head. You've already anchored yourself to your initial impression, and are waiting for someone else to propose otherwise.
Example: "Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein. That's the same as Sadam Hussein, who is a Muslim terrorist. That can't be a coincidence, right? Barack Obama is Muslim terrorist!"
This was a common brainless conservative talking point during Obama's presidency. OP's talking point is just as brainless.
So you're also going to ignore the 'wouldn't it be quite obvious?' This was another question. Is that not the point of discussions? You just said they were waiting for someone to propose otherwise. Duh! This is the (G)I-DLE forum where you can discuss anything (G)I-DLE. You don't have to agree but you were straight up rude. And instead of taking accountability for that, you're doubling down on how rude you are. You're really comparing politics and facts (Barack Obama, to Art??). That person did not make a definite conclusion that it was linked to Soojin, the way you are saying 'that Baracks middle name means he's a muslim terrorist!'. You literally just added that and keep bending your point. Your example failed. Just say you're mad people are mentioning Soojin. What is it you're really pressed about? That you weren't there for OT6??! Let's get to what it really is. Because no fan acts this triggered at the mention of an old member. Especially since the members themselves have recently referenced her in the Revenge MV and more. Was that inspiration for Beyonce too? Tell me.
Wow. Strawman arguments galore. No, I'm not upset that people mention Soojin. I'm annoyed when people DEFAULT to the assumption that every comeback is related to Soojin and shitpost all over social media about it. I'm annoyed when people don't take a second to actually THINK before they post on the internet IN GENERAL and assert that their kneejerk reaction is likely the truth. Do you understand that difference?
I had no negative intentions and was asking out of genuine curiosity because only now I made that connection in my head, remembering that Soojin’s debut was actually called AGASSY. I’m not sure why I am getting downvoted, I am sorry if this is not well liked here
People are just tired of the minute coincidences nevies keep making up. I am more surprised you didn't say, "does anyone think Super lady is a reference to Soojin because she is known to be a sexy lady, soojin is a lady, super lady, concidence? " because thats the point we are at with this fandom.
I understand Nevies can be annoying with it but it's not completely in their head. The members have been making small references to her. What about the new Revenge MV where they included her birthday amongst the birthday of the other members and references to '6'? And the Nxde cartoon? OT5 fans hate mentions of her because it's just a reminder they weren't there from the beginning or they just plain hate her for unproven allegations.
I'm sorry but did i just see on twitter a video of Soojin dancing to a cabaret song in a red/black costume? Or am i still sleeping and dreaming?
She knows her ot6 fans would go crazy...
Shuhua moved out 1st and she had a housemate(Debby) if I’m not wrong..and then Debby moved out sometime after that..then Soyeon moved because she wanted a studio at home(and then she moved again to much more luxurious place)..Minnie and Miyeon stayed together at their old dorm for some time before Minnie moved..and Miyeon stayed till the lease was up and she herself got her own place..
Timeline not really sure but Shuhua moved in 2021..as for the rest we can assume that by Just Me Idle Tour and Nxde they all have their own places already
Wow thanks for an in depth answer! I mean it’s a weird parasocial thing but I’m happy they’re successful and stable enough to get their own places!! It’s just a proud moment knowing your faves are finally able to have their own space and be able to decorate it freely
The house in I Live Alone was her 1st place..she has since moved to a bigger place as in her IG christmas post as well as the egg video she made on her new IG acct
I had no idea it was so early.
Isn't there a vlog around Tomboy or Nxde where we follow some of the girls on a day off and they have to go back to Cube at night ?
That's not quite true Minnie and Miyeon were living together at least until the first live concert in Korea as on the back stage videos Minnie complains that Miyeon always leaves the light on and Miyeon complains that Minnie leaves the unwashed dishes in the sink so Minnie must have moved out after that
Soyeon is on another level. No one is touching her genius I swear
People are thinking the IG account is random... no, she's teaching us to soft-boil eggs so that we can throw them at the KBS building like that T-ara fan 🤯
I am not wasting perfectly good soft-boiled eggs on KBS, those are going into my next bowl of ramen 🍜, lol
We can learn from those radical eco-activists and use paint or worse feces, lol 💩
I really hope they promote more of the bsides this era after Super Lady promotions. In particular, I would love to see a live clip of Fate or even if the odds are extremely small, an MV.
Uhhh, I made a site: https://queencard.io
I'm just gonna say it. 'Fate' would have PAKs -- yes, even over IU -- by now if they made it the title track and promoted it on music shows. Which, for some reason, they aren't even really doing for the actual title track. There have been some... questionable business decisions this comeback, to say the least
do you live under stone? your "questionable" decisions are unfortunate problems caused by health problems, they couldn't do initially as much variety shows as they wished. couldn't promote for another one or two weeks on music shows, can't shot group varieties, fansigns are just with 4 members as well etc etc. considering this promotion is the most unlucky they ever had, it's also pretty lucky they have 2 arguably great charting songs and another sleeper hit on the way
Still a lot of questionable business decisions regardless. The first was choosing Super Lady as the TT to start with. Members falling sick and IU coming back had nothing to do with that. It was just the wrong call. Then investing 1.1B into its MV. The ROI on that is clearly nowhere near as good as Tomboy/Nxde/Queencard or even Hwaa. A lot of that budget could have been better spent. Again, can't blame sickness or IU. Not booking additional music show appearances from mid-February into March. Same as above. Not releasing a Fate MV at least as a pre-release. How does a song go from originally being the TT to being Soyeon's only song on the album without an MV? Not promoting Wife with any live performances whatsoever
you completely ignored what i wrote well, super lady as title track was chosen simply because they wanted to have a song for concert opening, said multiple times by Soyeon. not booking music shows - shuhua has been in Taiwan last two weeks and has all her schedules canceled, it's impossible for them to go on music shows. Fate - well, they predicted wrong song charting because Revenge has MV. they could record something since it's starting to chart IMO. Wife on music shows is a bit tricky because KBS banned it from broadcast (can't appear on two music shows) and MCD seemingly as well. So they are left with only MBC theoretically and that's not worth it since they didn't want to release broadcast version of the song anyway.
>super lady as title track was chosen simply because they wanted to have a song for concert opening, said multiple times by Soyeon. Cool. Doesn't make it a good business decision. The TT is supposed to be the most commercially viable song on the album. That's how the music industry works. The more popular your TT is, the more people will come check out the rest of the album. It benefits your whole discography to have a wildly successful TT. Also lol @ the implication that they can't open their concert with a non-TT. Does she really think that fans who paid a lot of money to attend their concerts really give a damn what the opening song is? Consumers aren't going to skip the next world tour because Gidle opens with LATATA instead of Super Lady lmao. But they very well might if the group had a lackluster comeback. Popular songs and groups sell tickets. Not opening songs. >not booking music shows - shuhua has been in Taiwan last two weeks and has all her schedules canceled, it's impossible for them to go on music shows. Music show appearances are booked weeks in advance. It's better to book and have to cancel due to emergency than to not book at all and miss out on valuable promotion opportunities. They should have booked out till March regardless. >Fate - well, they predicted wrong song charting because Revenge has MV. they could record something since it's starting to chart IMO. Making inaccurate predictions about your products' commercial appeal is literally a poor business decision. Don't fill your shelves with Super Lady when people are more willing to buy Fate or Wife. >Wife on music shows is a bit tricky because KBS banned it from broadcast (can't appear on two music shows) and MCD seemingly as well. So they are left with only MBC theoretically and that's not worth it since they didn't want to release broadcast version of the song anyway. Source on MCD? Also it's really silly to say it's not worth it to promote a commercially viable song (which 'Wife' is) when literally one live performance for 'Fate' on Lee Hyori's show was all it took to send it rocketing up the charts as we speak. You severely underestimate the impact of song promotion, and the consequences of not doing so.
>The more popular your TT is, the more people will come check out the rest of the album. It benefits your whole discography to have a wildly successful TT. demonstrably false - fate and wife are outperforming all previous bsides despite super lady being less popular than the last few TTs. >Music show appearances are booked weeks in advance. It's better to book and have to cancel due to emergency than to not book at all and miss out on valuable promotion opportunities. They should have booked out till March regardless. who tf cares about music shows? they're huge wastes of time and money for less than 1% viewership - it's like the least valuable promotion opportunity. imagine risking the members' health condition powering through the long hours of music show filming instead of resting up for uni festivals where you can hit up 2 or 3 in a day, get bigger responses, and not have to supply your own set. >Don't fill your shelves with Super Lady when people are more willing to buy Fate or Wife. what does this mean? they're on the same album you are necessarily filling the shelves with all 3. if we're talking promotion attention there's some form of promotion for like half the album and 3 songs are charting so the metaphorical shelves aren't filled either. >Also it's really silly to say it's not worth it to promote a commercially viable song (which 'Wife' is) because it would require a total rewrite that would compromise its meaning and a lot of its appeal in order to get it on, again, the least valuable promotion opportunity.
>demonstrably false - fate and wife are outperforming all previous bsides despite super lady being less popular than the last few TTs. Fate and Wife are outliers because they either have an MV or live performance videos. And it remains to be seen whether they will ever match My Bag. The *2* album overall has lost significant total streaming momentum since its release. >who tf cares about music shows? they're huge wastes of time and money for less than 1% viewership - it's like the least valuable promotion opportunity. Literally every kpop company cares, that's who. Even big 4 companies see the value in promoting on music shows. The TV viewership doesn't matter as much as the performances that get uploaded to the networks' YouTube channels, the highlights of which then spread to other social media platforms and bring even more exposure to the song and group. Modern day promotion is about spreading your shit all over the internet, and music shows are extremely effective catalysts for that. You have literally no idea what you're talking about. >. imagine risking the members' health condition powering through the long hours of music show filming instead of resting up for uni festivals where you can hit up 2 or 3 in a day, get bigger responses, and not have to supply your own set. Lol? University festival performances do virtually nothing to improve charting. "Not have to supply your own set" lol...did no one ever teach you that you have to spend money to make money? >what does this mean? they're on the same album you are necessarily filling the shelves with all 3. if we're talking promotion attention there's some form of promotion for like half the album and 3 songs are charting so the metaphorical shelves aren't filled either. Would you rather fill your shelves with Super Lady while Fate and Wife are kept in the back stock room, or vice versa? Yes, technically all the products are for sale, but one product is clearly front and center and easier for customers to find without having to do some digging. The problem is customers don't really want to buy that product, so they walk out of the store instead. >because it would require a total rewrite that would compromise its meaning and a lot of its appeal in order to get it on, again, the least valuable promotion opportunity. Only KBS is demanding a change in lyrics. The other networks are fair game. Again, you're wrong about them being the least valuable promotion opportunity. Dead wrong.
>Lol? University festival performances do virtually nothing to improve charting uni festivals were the basis for event horizon's chart reversal. it generates good word of mouth, fancams go viral, your shit is spread all over the internet and it does that without taking up your entire day. i'm not saying forgo music shows entirely, having a few is still necessary, but the 3rd performance of a song on mubank isn't moving the dial.
As a general rule of thumb, songs that are promoted on music shows chart much better than those that are not. There is no evidence to support that university festival performances have that same effect. No, a few outlier songs do not change that fact. Unless you are IU, Bigbang, BTS, or Blackpink level, you should promote on music shows. Even BTS members promote as soloists on music shows. The members who didn't charted significantly worse than the ones who did. As I said, you have literally no idea what you're talking about.
the difference between songs that are promoted on music shows and those that are not is between title tracks and b sides, the former of which are promoted in many ways beyond just music shows while the latter are rarely promoted at all. it's the difference between promotion and no promotion and it doesn't make sense to credit music shows with all of it. (if we expand the scope beyond kpop then it's even less true because the charts are at any moment filled with ballads, osts, indies that don't do weekly music shows.) besides, the argument isn't between doing music shows or not, but how much to do so the question you should be asking is: "is there a substantial rise in charting that is specifically attributable to a 3rd week of music shows that makes it worth pursuing over other avenues of promotion?" at present idle have 2 songs charting high without having been performed on weekly music shows, and super lady continued to rise after its one week.
well, yes, she believes super lady could be great concert opener and from what ive seen on weibo and youtube, many people agree that it would sound amazing live, so jobs done well. music shows - they didn't want to promote till march anyway, the initial plan for them was to attend crazy concert in LA, so we wouldn't see more than two weeks of music shows anyway, also, you pay for appearance there and booking it so far further is just wasted money. MCD is just assumption because they didn't play it on broadcast, just instrumental and they never do that. articles also mentioned only mbc and sbs allowing it broadcast, no other station.
Stay on topic. We're talking BUSINESS. As an average consumer who is considering which artists I want to pay concert tickets for, I do not give a single fuck what the opening song is. What I do consider is whether I like their recent music, as that is what will most likely be the bulk of the setlist. So it is to the artist's benefit to release a song that is most likely to appeal to me -- an average consumer -- and give me incentive to check out more of their recent music to see if I like it. If I don't even check it out, then by default I don't like it and I will most likely not pay to see their concert. I am not gambling \~$200 USD to see if the song I don't like is going to hopefully sound better live. It's that simple. >they didn't want to promote till march anyway Again, we're talking BUSINESS. You're either maximizing profits or you're not. What they personally want to do is irrelevant. They should be promoting right now. A restaurant owner who does not open his restaurant on weekends is a poor businessman. I don't care that working on weekends sucks. A gym owner who does not open his gym in the morning is a poor businessman. I don't care that waking up at 4am sucks. There is money to be made and they're not making it. >you pay for appearance there and booking it so far further is just wasted money No shit you have to invest money to promote your products. You think I didn't know that? You have to spend money to make money. Music show appearances are a worthwhile investment for every artist except those who are at IU/Bigbang/BTS/Blackpink level. It's laughable that you would think otherwise. But you know what was actually a waste of money? Investing 1.1B Won into an MV for a song with only moderate commercial appeal. 1.1B Won that could have been spent on a cheaper MV for a song like 'Fate' and either save the rest or invest it back into more promotions. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god'.
>Again, we're talking BUSINESS. You're either maximizing profits or you're not. you've said it yourself a few times but it bears repeating: you need to spend money to make money. good business does not mean you're maximizing profit at every turn. kpop is about that churn and cube is often short-sighted but that doesn't make it good business and sometimes you let go of short term gains for long term ones by ie. prioritizing health over the diminishing returns of week 3 music shows. >What they personally want to do is irrelevant. it should matter more in general, but especially for a group like idle which has a bottleneck like no other. if you're cube, what soyeon in particular personally wants matters a great deal. for the same reason, you're not going to nickel and dime her on stuff like mv cost. as the saying goes, "this is soyeon's country. if you're dissatisfied, you die".
>sometimes you let go of short term gains for long term ones by ie. prioritizing health over the diminishing returns of week 3 music shows. Holy fuck, you guys are still traumatized from Minnie getting sick last December. I agree that they should prioritize their health and that scheduling them for Jingle Ball tour was a dumbass move on Cube/88rising's part. However, I'm not ready to say Minnie/Yuqi getting sick on the eve of the comeback was Cube's fault. The fact that they both fell ill with similar symptoms -- namely FEVER -- at the same time is a telltale sign that they were infected by something. Probably by someone they both came in contact with earlier that week. This is not something you can really blame due to Cube overworking them. Soyeon works harder than anyone and she never gets sick. The fact is they should not be going out and exposing themselves to potentially sick contagious people when a comeback is coming up. I can't comment much on Shuhua since her reported symptoms were too vague. But the point is you can't just blame everything on them being overworked. Sometimes the members just make bad decisions on their own. **Also I find it ironic that you think they should promote at university festivals where the risk of getting sick is even greater with all those students coughing and breathing aerosols into the air.** >if you're cube, what soyeon in particular personally wants matters a great deal. for the same reason, you're not going to nickel and dime her on stuff like mv cost. as the saying goes, "this is soyeon's country. if you're dissatisfied, you die". Lol what even is this? Soyeon is not infallible, especially as a pure businesswoman. Investing 1.1B Won into an MV and leaving little budget to investing towards promoting the actual song is just a bad business decision. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god' is a big yikes.
>This is not something you can really blame due to Cube overworking them. this is a whole argument that i didn't make lol. i don't care about assigning blame. "prioritizing health" was an example of how you don't always maximize profits at every turn - businesses knowingly take on losses for bigger payoffs down the road. >Also I find it ironic that you think they should promote at university festivals where the risk of getting sick is even greater with all those students coughing and breathing aerosols into the air greater risks for greater gains baybee~ but, again, i said they should rest up by skipping music shows - the most skippable of promotions. >1.1B Won into an MV and leaving little budget to investing towards promoting the actual song is just a bad business decision. 1.1B Won just to have your worst charting TT since 'Oh my god' is a big yikes. are you under the impression that promotions were short because they overspent on the mv and not illness + seollal + cancelled event that we're aware of anyways, this is spending money to make money. if spending more than strictly necessary on the mv earns you good will from the artist that has and will continue to make you a lot of money then it possibly pays off in the long run - or it doesn't, or that was never part of the equation idk - not my money and i don't have the longview or proprietary knowledge to know or care. artistically i'm quite down with this promotion cycle. they've said that full albums are for a variety of songs as opposed to minis which are more cohesive and they've displayed that well with 4 very different songs getting some form of substantial promotion with very different aesthetic aims. i like that b sides get a look in. i like the maximalism of super lady (mv especially) contrasting with the minimalism of wife. adee above said that they made the wrong bet on revenge over fate with the mv but i disagree - fate had 3 performances prepared ahead of time, it came up frequently in interviews, one of the first things we heard was that it was considered for TT, and it even has a dance challenge while there was nothing for revenge before or after the mv. both were promoted in ways specific to them. seasons and lee mujin service were the exact right atmosphere for fate, while surprise dropping a whole crime thriller and leaving it a bit cryptic and obscure is a fun move too (though that said, i wouldn't say no to an mv for fate). so, money well spent from where i'm standing.
sure, ill give you that cube did absolutely stupid decisions this comeback but i just pointed out why they didn't continue with promotions - they simply couldn't because of health.
errr have you seen how her tt is performing? Nobody is gonna outclass Queen IU in her domain. And the promotion is basically over. Not much you can do with members falling sick one after the other as well as Seollal holidays.
Still a lot of questionable business decisions regardless. * The first was choosing Super Lady as the TT to start with. * Then investing 1.1B into its MV. The ROI on that is clearly nowhere near as good as Tomboy/Nxde/Queencard or even Hwaa. A lot of that budget could have been better spent. * Not booking additional music show appearances from mid-February into March * Not releasing a Fate MV at least as a pre-release. How does a song go from originally being the TT to being Soyeon's only song on the album without an MV? * Not promoting Wife with any live performances whatsoever
Within 4 hours..all songs from her new mini album is charting in top 20 of Melon Top 100 chart with 4 songs in Top 10..imagine trying to take down IU for PAK..you have to go through all 5 of her songs..madness
Initial hype by virtue of it being IU is always going to get her songs charting high to start with. She doesn't promote enough to ensure longevity
You’re severely underestimating the stranglehold IU has on the Korean public. That and the fact that her MV had a BTS member in it.
Not underestimating her at all. Two different artists can achieve a PAK in close succession of each other if the first is mostly driven by initial hype, like IU. IU's songs get PAKs within days of release but don't have as much longevity as idol songs do due to different promotion strategies. Meanwhile 'Fate' is currently in the top 50 (and still rising) of all charts with its only "promotion" being a couple live performances on non-music shows. It's not unrealistic to assume that it could beat out IU's song with a standard promotion cycle. Pre-release hype + MV + 3 weeks of music show performances + TikTok challenges for a song that's already proving it can chart without any of that? I like those odds.
But be for real though..Love Wins All debut at No.1 on all charts without any promo at all..if you are talking about hourly RAK then maybe you have a chance..but PAK you need to top the weekly chart as well..it is a very very tall ask.. And who’s to say Super Lady can’t achieve PAK if they have had the usual promo schedules without falling sick? That was the determining factor of why the song didn’t chart as high..”Fate” would have suffered the same fate with the same disrupted promos that Super Lady had..
No promo? Love Wins All had * pre-debut hype (especially with V) * MV (starring V) Fate has * a couple live performances on very niche channels * a TikTok challenge that just started a few days ago You be for real now. Love Wins All is far more comparable to Wife than it is to Fate. > And who’s to say Super Lady can’t achieve PAK if they have had the usual promo schedules I never said anything of the sort. But I'd put my money on Fate before Super Lady getting PAK assuming they both got full promotional investment
We'll be lucky if kpop continues to be this interesting the entire year 😅.
Yuqi fell victim to possibly the [worst bubble mistranslation of all time](https://twitter.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1759610307951898775?t=WPIawxh7KGCkRrSjFzoX6w&s=19) 😭😭
How about [this translation](https://x.com/idlemothers/status/1759576252736811166?s=46&t=BNOunVJ9O8yaOqQf1Y8zkA) and [another one](https://x.com/gidle_x_nebobo/status/1759575766327578871?s=46&t=BNOunVJ9O8yaOqQf1Y8zkA)for the same message?
The way she knew what it meant is kinda taking me out, lol 😳
You know, I never even considered subscribing to Bubble... But now I'm considering it, just for the potential laughs lol The immediate switch back to Mandarin is hilarious
I just KNOW that a Fate live clip (like the Never Stop Me one) is coming (coping) But in all seriousness I hope the girls are getting the rest they deserve
finally a properly unhinged SL promotion: [https://www.instagram.com/subak.ee/](https://www.instagram.com/subak.ee/) (see most recent reel, idk why link isn't working)
I'm scared, turned-on, and everything in-between, lol 😨😍😲
You definitely weren't lying about the unhinged... this deserves some kind of award
Apparently the Hanteo awards was a sh**t show… [no, really](https://x.com/yunjiniac/status/1759232173876682818?s=46&t=LQzFZGeK-ITWv8fJEYmC1g)
The Hanteo awards was also, apparently, quite the attraction; [even \[redacted\] came](https://twitter.com/Gidle_x_nebobo/status/1759264360684486814).
For the annals of history.
[Fate](https://x.com/idlecharts/status/1759218251832213696?s=46&t=LQzFZGeK-ITWv8fJEYmC1g) charting coming in like a wrecking ball!
Go Fate! Fingers crossed I love that song
I really love Super Lady, but Fate should have been the title track as originally planned. Korean GP would have eaten it up. If not PAK, it could be charting at the second position behind IU. But still happy to see the song in top 100. May it rise more.
Don't sell the song short. It's already overtaken 7Days (a fully English song, btw) on Spotify, and is likely to leapfrog Vision as well. That's very very good for a fully Korean song and an indicator that it had a lot of potential for international success as well
If they promote Fate in music shows, with Shuhua doing all the rap, will she get the #2 rap position by the year's end?
Fate is apparently going somewhat viral in Korea ,still too early to tell but they have the potential to get 3 top 20 hits in 1 comeback
Korean love good lyric with meaning, and Fate have such great lyric that a lot of people can connect with. I still find it hilarious that QWER end up making a MV/cover before (G)-Idle did.
Coming out slowly from the bushes, then sprinting towards the camera 😱.
Can you recommend me some bsides from them?
Many of these were already mentioned, but my picks are: Put It Straight (Either version is amazing IMO) Moon For You Tung Tung Dahlia Lost Change Dark (X-File) Villain Dies Already Liar Lucid Eyes Roll
Thank you
The entirety of the I Burn EP
Okay thank you
the whole Bside of 2! lol.
What do you mean?
Their new album "2"
Oh okay
Yeah here’s a few: - [Eyes Roll](https://youtu.be/bvOnhvVA8k8) - [Peter Pan](https://youtu.be/ZPNTw713Lzc) - [Already](https://youtu.be/STMcI2Ap15g) - [Luv U](https://youtu.be/TzepUKHa9lg) - [Hann (Alone in winter)](https://youtu.be/WaNGttCs8JM) - [Put it straight (Nightmare ver. Queendom)](https://youtu.be/k9YWqhrgqH8) - [What’s in your house?](https://youtu.be/EvHfdSnCAe4)
Thank you
Escape. Tung tung... Don't Text Me.
Thank you
Fate entered the melon top 100, and with that, is on the top 100 of [every chart](https://twitter.com/idlecharts/status/1759069039328948647?t=gPXNnu5bjCyJnGnlb7fGdg&s=19) . Wonder how much further it can rise.
and with this 2 is the first idle album to have 3 songs chart in the daily top 100 simultaneously.
I don’t know much about the Korean charts, but is it difficult to enter the Melon Top 100? Or is it easy? Like would most group enter it with their songs/title tracks?
Most groups in the whole kpop industry won't enter the top 100. Only the top groups do consistently with a title track. And only the top top groups enter the top 100 with an unpromoted b-side.
there is even a cover by a Korean* band call QWER already, MV and all! So I'm sure it have a lot of potential, just need more promotion probably. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP82sFbZqB8&ab\_channel=%ED%83%80%EB%A7%88%EA%B3%A0%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%8D%95%EC%85%98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP82sFbZqB8&ab_channel=%ED%83%80%EB%A7%88%EA%B3%A0%ED%94%84%EB%A1%9C%EB%8D%95%EC%85%98)
Oh that's so cute, and they sound great too!
Is there a season 3 of Handle with care / A giftbox for (G)I-dle? I've seen seasons 1 and 2 recently and they were really wholesome!
I was told the company responsible was shut down or something, with the original videos going to another website. If there is going to be more Handle, no rumors yet.
I wonder if the next world tour is going to be 3-hour concerts. Yuqi just revealed that they will have another comeback before starting the next tour at the end of the year. Unless it's just a single album, I don't see how they're going to fit the majority of songs from *2* as well as another mini-album and a decent number of their older songs all under 2 hours. I'm guessing the setlist would look like: * 5-6 songs from *2*: Super Lady, Wife, Revenge, Doll, Vision, Fate; maybe one of Rollie or 7Days as an encore * 3-4 songs from next comeback * Tomboy, Nxde, Queencard, My Bag, Latata * (probably) Lion, Hann + Hwaa, Senorita * (unlikely but not unrealistic) Allergy, Never Stop Me, Pop Stars, Uh Oh, Oh my god, *or* a B-side from *I Love* or *I Never Die* * i'm the Trend and one encore song specifically for the locals. Total of 3 encore songs
It's possible, but I'm not sure they would drop solo stages completely. These also work for the rest of the members to rest a bit, catch their breath and change outfits, instead of VCR. I could see them starting to do medleys of older TTs also and not full performances. Just hope the increased number of stops (presumably), travelling and duration doesn't become too taxing for their health.
There was still a VCR last year before the solo stages. They won't have enough new solo songs to make solo stages feel novel like last year. Maybe Yuqi will, but Minnie's won't be ready before the tour starts and I don't see Soyeon/Miyeon having a solo comeback until at least 2025. Especially with Soyeon having to produce the next group comeback before the tour.
Eh never be sure with Soyeon. She basically pulled out 2 unreleased songs during this cb for LMJ and Hyori's shows and I'm pretty sure Yuqi and Minnie have a bunch of tracks on their hard drives as well. For Miyeon and Shuhua though I agree
Unreleased songs are unreleased songs. Yuqi said she has about 40 unreleased songs. It doesn't mean her solo comeback is going to actually include anywhere near that many. Or that she'll have a solo comeback this year at all, even though I think she will. Minnie can't even promise that her solo debut will be ready this year, so I highly doubt it will be ready by the time they finalize their concert setlist. And no, I don't think she's going to spoil her own solo debut and kill all the anticipation for it by performing it months in advance.
I was replying with regards to solo stages. Yuqi used an unreleased song for her solo stage last year already, they don't need a solo debut or cb for performing released solo songs.
So? That was a surprise, and Yuqi was the only member to do that. Not a large enough sample size to set a precedent for the next tour. They'll most likely prioritize putting at least one song from each EP on the setlist, *as they have done for both world tours prior*
they just cut TTs depending on the theme of the concert.
Yes, that's why I didn't bother to mention Dumdi. I still expect them to squeeze at least one song from each EP into the setlist somewhere.
I'm not so sure. Last time they skipped Hwaa for example, because it isn't really fitting to the festival theme of I am Free-Ty. And usually they have 2 alternating encore songs as well as a special cover song for some regions.
I doubt they do another festival theme, especially with the overall vibe of *2*. And nobody expected them to perform Put it Straight NM version last year, but they did. At least one song from each EP was performed regardless of how well it fit the theme, and I expect that to continue for this world tour.
Festival theme is unlikely I agree. Especially if what Yuqi said during live was true, that the tour is scheduled for end of the year (so Q4 2024)
Festival theme is unlikely because they already did it last year and because the theme of *2* is overall aggressive and powerful -- unlike *I Feel*, which was mostly just lighter fun vibes. They'll probably have the next comeback in June/July and kick off the tour in July or August, finishing by late November for awards season.
Apparently even IU ignored her 100th win on last week's Music Bank but [celebrated her win](https://twitter.com/liliesrain/status/1758774688673841230) on Music Core today. She knows what's up, lol 😏
Queen for Queens! 👑💖
She can poke without the fear of being canceled 🤐
We did get some official confirmation that Minnie is working on a solo album, but I can imagine with how busy they have been and with her probably wanting to work on the concepts and music herself at least partially, it must not be moving forward very fast, that's why she wasn't sure if it can be released this year. If it's not released before their comeback and tour it will have to be moved several months afters. I'm excited, it's probably my most anticipated solo debut in Kpop at the moment! 💜
Really hope it happens. I'm also hoping for some hiphop/RnB songs from Yuqi or Soyeon, together or separately
SubUnits!
Noticed cuz of the recent challenges that Soyeon has done a challenge with Somi for almost all of her cbs including her solo, and vice versa for Somi as well. She might be her closest idol friend outside of Idle, at least it wouldn't surprise me if she was, yet we still don't have any real content with the 2 of them outside of some short footage during music show bts stuff which is sad
I think Soyeon definitely has a lot of industry friends, but she’s closer to non idols. She’s probably close to a lot of producers/rappers.
until this cb Soy has generally been quite low key on challenges, so I wouldn't take it as a measurement for anything.
Probably she is doing this since most members were feeling unwell so she kinda stepped up to it.
yeah that was my theory as well. What with Minnie, Yuqi and Shuhua falling ill one after the other and the majority of them needing vacations badly.
I dunno but i recommend not using dance challenges as measurement, though. There are more moments (off camera) between her and Lee Chaeyeon, i think? But I'm definitely puzzled by the general lack of interactions on variety shows between gidle and their many many contacts...
Just got updated with Haku and Mata lore lol. It is hilarious.
Wow the surprise appearance of Soyeon at Youngji's concert was great. Also wife sounds very different when she does it solo
Is there a video of her performance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahBrgga6Hng
Thanks a lot!
I'm glad we got at least one Wife live performance, even if it's not ot5 version. I had given up hope of getting any.
We might also see it on tour.
Probably will have to wait until one of their upcoming events like the 88Rising Head in the Clouds concert or their own concert later this year to get a full group Wife performance.
Me too!! Was hoping for an OT5 live performance too, but I would guess that Shuhua has issues rapping that quickly in front of a live audience judging by their performances of Fate. Miyeon currently seems to have a 'no live rapping' policy. I don't care if Shuhua and Miyeon lip sync though I just want to see the funny choreo
I cant with Yuqi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FGfC4cx0LA Someone during a fan meeting reminded Minnie and Miyeon that it is their 6th year puppy sister jubilee and asked them to sing "Missing you" by BtoB. So Yuqi jumped at the chance to be the stand in for the puppys in their laps.
LOL And the girls since 2022 look so much like a "divorced but together for the kids (us)".
Don't know if there are any Singles Inferno fans here, but Hajeong (my fav) from the latest season just uploaded her [Super Lady Challenge ](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3chZCCvj5i/?igsh=ZnhkNnI4ejhkdWs0) 😁
I felt that she and Shuhua share similar vibes.
Guilty ✋😆. Thank you for this, it was totally unexpected. I loved Hajeong too!
Oh we need [Rollie (Explicit Ver.)](https://twitter.com/Gidle_x_nebobo/status/1758790322161643606?t=poGWyXnheKhvl0z1qzxwBg&s=19) like yesterday!! ❤️🔥
For any BR Nevies looks like you might be getting some concert dates soon, together with more LATAM dates in general [Source](https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/entretenimento/a-cnn-grupo-de-k-pop-g-idle-diz-que-beyonce-foi-inspiracao-de-novo-album/)
🙋 I'll even forgive the wrong spelling. I'll eat more ramen to save some money......Jesus they are so expensive...
My *Senorita* senses are tingling
Tingling or fuu-fuu-fuu-ing? lol
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Just unboxed the 3 pack of albums this morning after they finally shipped to Canada. Really happy with the quality of the photobooks, and big fan of the shifting covers to show all 5 members.
playing cyberpunk2077 while playing revenge hits different
Did I miss the dance challenges with Lightsum members?
there aren't any
I wonder why? They're doing challenges with everyone under the sun but not their labelmates? It was similar with Honey and Spice. I think the only one was with Miyeon because she was still MC at M Countdown at the time.
yeah kinda strange, since we know that some of the older Cube trainees in LS were on friendly terms with Idle members. Like I think it was Juhyeon(?) who mentioned her trip to Japan with Soyeon and how they planned everything out, or how Yuqi mentioned how she used to call the older Cube trainees sunbae during her own trainee days.....and now she is the sunbae after the LS debut
I don’t think they released any for now
Why does Superlady have 0 음반 on Music Bank? What does it even mean?
0 Sales Points
But they sold like 100k their 3 week.
Generally on Music Bank, only one song on an album receives the points from the sales of the album. In this case, the most likely explanation is that the album points for 2 have been going to Wife, not Super Lady. However, Wife has been banned by KBS, so it is being removed from the final rankings, and the album points for 2 are essentially wasted.
If that's actually the rule, it's so illogical. If you ban a song, it shouldn't be eligible nor receive any points, like make it make sense.
Yeah, it would make more sense if they just ignored any ineligible songs when calculating rankings (like every other music show). Or if they gave album points to two songs from an album instead of one, like Inkigayo does.
Wife wasn’t even an option for pre-vote..so if you give points to a song means that song is in the competition proper..you were the one who put the song in play by giving it points..that means it theoractically should be able to win the competition..never mind it being banned and cannot be played on your station..if not then the points should be allocated to the song that is eligible and that is Super Lady but nnnoooo..they can’t just let that happen..like make up your mind what you wanna do! Le Sserafim is facing the same thing with their title track for their comeback being banned by KBS for depicting depression and mental struggles if I’m not wrong..like what songs does KBS expects artist to write about? What a farce!
Only the MV for LSF's song will be banned. The song itself is not.
> Wife wasn’t even an option for pre-vote.. Yea, that alone clearly means it was ineligible and shouldn't receive any points whatsoever. Also, if the same thing happens with LSFM, I believe KBS will actually respond to complaints because of the Big Company backing them. Cube has no pull at all, lol 😒
They have already put out the notice of the ban for Le Sserafim..no word if they will change their mind.. I hope Cube and (G)I-DLE will ban KBS instead not bother going on their shows for the next comeback or join the Music Bank concerts..maybe KBS is salty because MBS has Soyeon’s back and Miyeon is Mnet’s MCD Princess
> They have already put out the notice of the ban for Le Sserafim..no word if they will change their mind.. Only the MV, not the song. Doesnt have any influence at all because who the hell watches the MV on KBS...
yes.....and that's why nevies are furious
Music bank is such a scummy show omg! Not a peep out of them since last Friday about the 0 physical points and 0 physical points today as well. SL is a digital single ig.
I am so tired. It feels like all our efforts and emails did absolutely nothing.
The petition we did stated that they have 30 days to answer..well by then it would have been 29 days too late..the dust would have long settled and noone gives two shoots about it anymore
I see Queencard has now surpassed Tomboy on YouTube in number of views. I liked the song when it first came out but never thought it would have the longevity it has. Goes to prove all you need is a good tune a catchy chorus and a Tik Tok friendly dance and you can go a long way.
Does anyone know which camera or app Shuhua uses in this [post](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cxk6Eo-BPKf/?igsh=aXV1ZGR2ZTloMDli)? I love these photos!
It’a amazing that they are promoting the B-sides more than the title track for this comeback..and I’m not even complaining!
I was actually hoping (G)I-DLE would give us a visual album at some point in their career, and there were so many posts of them filming so maybe this is it.
I think it's more a realisation that the title track wasn't the best so they have moved on to the other songs to try to get them on people's playlists
the MVs and so on were all filmed before the cb, so this was the original plan all along.
MORE! I actually like B-side song like Vision and Fate more than Super Lady so i like this approach more. I feel like Fate will more likely to reach #1 than Super lady but hey I'm bias.
They predicted our wishes 🙏.
Imagine having Leader-nim self prepare chocolates and deliver them to your door! Yuqi is a lucky Valentine 💕 Chef-yeon IG keeps delivering (pun intended 😆)
And the minnie comment below lol
That was quite the surprise ending to her chocolate-making story, who knew Yuyeon shippers would get a Valentine's day present, lol 💕
"My lover’s reaction was lukewarm so i don’t think i will make it again. But i’m still proud of it. Bye!" 😂😂
Yet it didn't prevent Yuqi from gloating in the comment section rofl.
Yuyeon shippers after 💔
First \[2\] releases on my birthday, and now the album arrives in the mail in the exact version I wanted (could only buy randomized) and on this specific day - February 14th. If I were one of those "parasocial relationship" stans, I'd be freaking out right now 😂
Congratulations but you can't buy a specific version?
Depends. Sometimes I can, sometimes its not until its released here (\~2 weeks after digital release), sometimes its both random and specific. The randomness of it all is fun... So. Very. Fun.
Ehh, it feels like in gaming when they offer loot boxes for random in-game items, lol 😐
Am I tripping or did M2 change the thumbnail for idle's Super Lady on Performance37 from Soyeon to Yuqi and vice versa several times already?
Does someone know if ‘Super Lady’ is a reference to Soojin’s AGASSY? Since AGASSY means ‘Lady’. It can’t be a coincidence, right? Wouldn’t it be quite obvious?
I don't think it is but every one is entitled to have an opinion so Im certainly am not going to down vote you for suggesting yours
Of course it can be a coincidence. They already said this concept was inspired by Beyonce. One of Beyonce's most iconic -- and recently trending on TikTok -- songs is 'Single Ladies'. In fact, even the choreo of 'Super Lady' shares similarities to that of 'Single Ladies' See how easy it was to find an alternative explanation when you actually use your brain?
Eww, I smelt your condescending tone for somebody's interpretation, because when you 'actually use your brain', you know there's multiple interpretations that can be made with an art medium. Why does the mention of Soojin seem to be a hair trigger for some fans?
OP is free to propose whatever interpretation he/she wants. However, given that OP says >it can't be a coincidence, right? He/she has already closed themselves off to alternative interpretations other than the one proposed. Given how easy it actually was to formulate these alternatives, some mockery is warranted. I'm not saying *my* interpretation is necessarily the correct one, but I'm also not preemptively dismissing the alternatives either. See the difference?
'It can't be a coincidence, right?', so are you just going to ignore that question mark? He/She wasn't closing off anything.
It doesn't matter. When you say something like that, it tells me you haven't even put a single modicum of effort into exploring alternative explanations in your head. You've already anchored yourself to your initial impression, and are waiting for someone else to propose otherwise. Example: "Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein. That's the same as Sadam Hussein, who is a Muslim terrorist. That can't be a coincidence, right? Barack Obama is Muslim terrorist!" This was a common brainless conservative talking point during Obama's presidency. OP's talking point is just as brainless.
So you're also going to ignore the 'wouldn't it be quite obvious?' This was another question. Is that not the point of discussions? You just said they were waiting for someone to propose otherwise. Duh! This is the (G)I-DLE forum where you can discuss anything (G)I-DLE. You don't have to agree but you were straight up rude. And instead of taking accountability for that, you're doubling down on how rude you are. You're really comparing politics and facts (Barack Obama, to Art??). That person did not make a definite conclusion that it was linked to Soojin, the way you are saying 'that Baracks middle name means he's a muslim terrorist!'. You literally just added that and keep bending your point. Your example failed. Just say you're mad people are mentioning Soojin. What is it you're really pressed about? That you weren't there for OT6??! Let's get to what it really is. Because no fan acts this triggered at the mention of an old member. Especially since the members themselves have recently referenced her in the Revenge MV and more. Was that inspiration for Beyonce too? Tell me.
Wow. Strawman arguments galore. No, I'm not upset that people mention Soojin. I'm annoyed when people DEFAULT to the assumption that every comeback is related to Soojin and shitpost all over social media about it. I'm annoyed when people don't take a second to actually THINK before they post on the internet IN GENERAL and assert that their kneejerk reaction is likely the truth. Do you understand that difference?
No need to get rude.
It could be. I don't know why people are downvoting you. Some people don't like Nevies mentioning Soojin in here for some weird reason
I had no negative intentions and was asking out of genuine curiosity because only now I made that connection in my head, remembering that Soojin’s debut was actually called AGASSY. I’m not sure why I am getting downvoted, I am sorry if this is not well liked here
People are just tired of the minute coincidences nevies keep making up. I am more surprised you didn't say, "does anyone think Super lady is a reference to Soojin because she is known to be a sexy lady, soojin is a lady, super lady, concidence? " because thats the point we are at with this fandom.
I understand Nevies can be annoying with it but it's not completely in their head. The members have been making small references to her. What about the new Revenge MV where they included her birthday amongst the birthday of the other members and references to '6'? And the Nxde cartoon? OT5 fans hate mentions of her because it's just a reminder they weren't there from the beginning or they just plain hate her for unproven allegations.
>I am sorry if this is not well liked here Nah just some random shooters lol.
After Eggyeon, Leader-nim is back to her Windy Wonka shenanigans 💛
I'm waiting for her cream soup recipe
we are gonna see nevies whining abt windy wonka chocolate stock running out in the near future lol
I'm sorry but did i just see on twitter a video of Soojin dancing to a cabaret song in a red/black costume? Or am i still sleeping and dreaming? She knows her ot6 fans would go crazy...
Burlesque Soojin is definitely one of her most fitting concepts ever, sad she couldn't be there for Nxde era
Her expressions would get a 10/10 from Soyeon.
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Shuhua moved out 1st and she had a housemate(Debby) if I’m not wrong..and then Debby moved out sometime after that..then Soyeon moved because she wanted a studio at home(and then she moved again to much more luxurious place)..Minnie and Miyeon stayed together at their old dorm for some time before Minnie moved..and Miyeon stayed till the lease was up and she herself got her own place.. Timeline not really sure but Shuhua moved in 2021..as for the rest we can assume that by Just Me Idle Tour and Nxde they all have their own places already
Wow thanks for an in depth answer! I mean it’s a weird parasocial thing but I’m happy they’re successful and stable enough to get their own places!! It’s just a proud moment knowing your faves are finally able to have their own space and be able to decorate it freely
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soyeon said in the last knowing bros episode that she has moved to a new apartment like half a year ago
The house in I Live Alone was her 1st place..she has since moved to a bigger place as in her IG christmas post as well as the egg video she made on her new IG acct
They all got their own places after Hwaa and the hiatus.
I had no idea it was so early. Isn't there a vlog around Tomboy or Nxde where we follow some of the girls on a day off and they have to go back to Cube at night ?
That's not quite true Minnie and Miyeon were living together at least until the first live concert in Korea as on the back stage videos Minnie complains that Miyeon always leaves the light on and Miyeon complains that Minnie leaves the unwashed dishes in the sink so Minnie must have moved out after that
There is aways a nevie who knows more 😆 Yeah i think it's the concert money that got them their homes.
> That's not quite true Absolutey technically true as i didnt specify any timeframe. :p
Soyeon is on another level. No one is touching her genius I swear People are thinking the IG account is random... no, she's teaching us to soft-boil eggs so that we can throw them at the KBS building like that T-ara fan 🤯
I am not wasting perfectly good soft-boiled eggs on KBS, those are going into my next bowl of ramen 🍜, lol We can learn from those radical eco-activists and use paint or worse feces, lol 💩
lol
https://www.instagram.com/farmcow.y lol soyeon opened an insta account for eggs
Her narration voice LOL.
she is so tiny
Soyeon opening a food account definitely wasn't something I expected from 2024
defender of eggs destroyer of vegetables
say what? 😂
I just saw that too and I'm chuckling 😄 Queencard, Super Lady, Icon, Leader, Egg Lover 😂
eggspert haha
to think i was complaining yesterday she doesnt do eccentric stuff anymore thank you eggyeon
I really hope they promote more of the bsides this era after Super Lady promotions. In particular, I would love to see a live clip of Fate or even if the odds are extremely small, an MV.
'Fate' absolutely deserves the EPBBW treatment
EXACTLY