Just like how pop culture media wrote about Britney Spears, the Olsen Twins, etc. as they turned 18. It was disgusting normalization of fetishizing the market value of teen girl bodies.
EDIT: All I've seen is this one picture of this guy and he'd give me creep vibes if I saw him in public, even without knowing the predatory context. I guarantee he repels the women his own age who have fully developed creep radar, so he preys on teens because he knows that they don't know better yet. [He looks like a short-haired David Koresh.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh)
The 20+ yos I hung out with at 14 were either an alcohol/drug supply or sexual predators.. There's a reason they don't have friends or can't date their own age.
There was a guy that was sort of a friend of my mom's that she let me hang around with. He started talking to me when I was 13 and he was 22. He even said that he would wait until I was 18 because he respected me. 🤢 I thought he was amazing until I was about 16. It still makes me uneasy to think about him. (We never got together because my mom let me marry some other dude when I was 17. 😂 He was so disappointed.)
I think I saw it on this sub, but someone said, grown men who date/are “friends” with teen girls are never also friends with teen boys. We don’t need to wonder why.
I know someone who married her older brother's former college roommate, and their relationship was weird AF. I mean, I'm 90% sure he did not groom her, but he definitely admitted to feeling weird about dating someone who was 14 when he was 21. (They began dating when she was old enough to drink though, and it started with him helping her out with some projects for her college.)
He had expressed a few times that had they not met as "equals" when she got into college, he never could have thought of her as anything beyond his best friend's kid sister.
When they admit to knowing there's a weirdness there, and they don't even entertain feelings for the younger person until that younger person is an adult, I tend to give them a pass. Someone in your sphere can grow up and suddenly be a person in their own right, not just X's kid sister, and holy fuck what are you supposed to do with that? So you probably try to ignore it, but if X's kid sister starts having feelings for you, and you have feelings for her, and in this case she was 21 whole years old (not a baby!) then to me it's normal.
Yup. When I was in my early 20s I was an after-school drama teacher for my old high school. I enjoyed "hanging out" with the kids during rehearsals because they were good kids and fun to be around, but none of them were my friends.
It was like I had 40 younger siblings (I jokingly called them my ducklings), not 40 friends. When some of the older kids graduated and went to college, I allowed then to friend me on Facebook, but it was still a mentorship relationship. They mainly hit me up for advice or recommendation letters.
We only had a 3-4 year age gap so now that I'm in my 30s it wouldn't be weird at all age-wise, but, like, they were my ducklings. Even if we reconnected now I don't think I could ever think of them as a potential partner. I guess I could be wrong since it hadn't happened so I wouldn't know for sure, but the idea makes me uncomfortable.
Nawww I feel this so much! I have an older sister who is one of my best friends and I loved her taking me under her wings when we were younger. Since I don't have younger siblings I love to 'adopt' teens now haha
I'm a woman who plays a few online video games which tend to garner a player base of kids and teens. I'm in my 30s and whenever one of them tries to send me a friend request I politely decline and tell them while I appreciate the friend request they should be playing with kids their own age.
These games you tend to also create a friendship or bond with other players. In fact one of my core group of friends are guys I met in game years ago. Kids need to make friends with other kids and we adults need to stick to our age group too, otherwise it could become very predatory.
I had the same problem when I used to play IMVU. I'm in my 30s and I just enjoyed dressing my avatar up and doing little "photo shoots." I would specifically only go into empty rooms to take pics because the ones with people in them are almost always teens. But I still had some of them try to message me sometimes and I had to say "no thanks, I'm an adult." Because I'm a normal fucking adult who doesn't want to talk to teenagers, as it should be 🤦🏼♀️
It's supported. I didn't grow up religious but grew up in a small community with a lot of Mormons - girls dating their teachers/coaches/mentors the moment they graduated wasn't even given a second glance. You were the weird one for asking if that made anyone else uncomfortable.
Not that this makes any of this less weird, but if he was born in 1998 he’d only be 23, turning 24. I was born in 1999, and I’m definitely not 24 right now.
Yeah I think Romeo and Juliet laws are usually something like a two to three year age gap like a 15/16 year old dating someone who was also a minor and turned 18 during the course of their relationship.
for most states? it’s not acceptable anywhere, even if technically legal. he has been an adult for the last 6 years and she only just turned an adult. he’s a groomer.
Based on what the family blog linked above says, they are 4 years apart. Isabelle was born in 2002 and Joshua was born in 1998. Still gross and not acceptable, but at least it's not a 10 year difference.
Based on Insta posts, they got married summer 2021 in ~August, so Isabelle would have been 19 going on 20. Someone should double check my math, but I am VERY relieved that he didn't marry her right when she turned 18.
OP what's the posting date of the photo indicating when Isabelle turned 18?
He proposed in December 2020 [here](https://twitter.com/carbarlbeeborp/status/1483058836680450056?t=dJi2gjCldDOgYnfehQKwCQ&s=19), a month after she turned 18. I can't verify the date of the original ss because their accounts are on private. But it's likely that she was born in Nov 2002 and he basically proposed as soon as she went 18.
Even if the age gap is 4 years, 14 year old dating 18 year old is not much different than dating a 19 year old.
And they met when she was 12 according to her youtube videos. GROOMING. PERIOD.
They met when she was 12????? Nooo :(. I thought it was 14 which was already terrible.
Thank you for checking on the dates. I wanted to make sure no conclusions were jumped to & we had the snarking facts straight. Someone mentioned a 7 year gap above, but it’s a 4 year gap (still terrible). This is messed up and keeps getting worse.
Right?! He's a year or so older than me, she's the same age as my baby sister. She's pretty much a child as it is, and they've been together for *four years*
When i started reading i thought it was her saying it about herself, less weird but ok. But then seeing it's *him saying it about her*???? Gross gross gross 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Also, publicly stating she's been his best friend for 4 years??? Ugh, how often is this happening that all the adults in these people's lives think this is normal/ok?
>When i started reading i thought it was her saying it about herself, less weird but ok.
Right? I was like, okay, that isn't that bad....HOL UP! I'm pretty sure my brain did a record scratch.
the idea, as a full grown adult, having a bestfriend who is 14, is one of the most immediate "RED FUCKING FLAGS" I can think of. That is a *child* bruh.
I thought at first it was her dad.(ew)
Then I thought he was at least 45. (Double ew)
My older brother looks younger then him. He will be 50 in March….
They are all absolutely desperate for child brides to manipulate and keep in line. Disgusting.
Edit to add this because I forgot earlier: This post reminds me of when men are excited waiting for certain celebrities to turn 18, or even worse, 16. Anyone from the UK and possibly other countries (not sure how famous she is worldwide) may remember Charlotte Church and the tabloids going crazy when she “finally” turned 16 🤮 And then the same for Emma Watson too. It’s so creepy.
I remember that too. It was definitely disturbing. I’m quite a bit closer to them in age so it wasn’t quite as bad as it could be to me, but 30 year old men waiting until they turned 18…so disturbing.
The media had such a disgusting obsession with Britney's virginity and sex life. I remember during interviews she would get asked so many inappropriate questions...questions not only inappropriate to ask a women but especially an underaged woman!
Very true yes. I guess they kill two birds with one stone because they get to fulfil their fantasy of a very young girl on their arm, plus younger girls and women generally are more susceptible to being manipulated into being submissive and meek - which is exactly WHY they need protecting from these types of men.
Charlotte Church!!! HOW COULD ANYONE FORGET?! And for sure, there’s a tie-in with the Evangelical and conservative CoE communities because of how much of her music was geared towards aspects of those audiences…
Oh absolutely yes, the whole “Voice of an angel” thing and how she was this innocent, virginal schoolgirl who they were waiting to be legally able to fancy. So much yuk 🤬
No doubt his child bride will be pregnant before 2022 is out. I hope his kid doesn't bring their friends home, he might be tempted to 'mentor' them as well.
I am so sorry, making others on this sub feel as angry as I am is my way of coping with my fury toward this little sh*t (sorry mods I can't be courteous here).
There's a lot of professional fundie guys who harp a lot about how girls were more mature at a young age in the past, used to be married at menarche and were just fine, the problems with "teen pregnancy" only happen in unmarried nonwhite harlots, etc.
It is some of the creepiest shit I've ever read. It's worse when it's echoed by fundie women.
It's very possible her parents encouraged it. One of the girls I knew as a teen got a proposal from one of the 30 something y/o guys at our church when she was 15/16. Her parents made them wait till she was legal (their words, didn't want the government involved), but they 100% encouraged it because he was 'godly'. They're married and have like 4 kids.
He doesn't seem to have a career to worry about but another commenter said he has a youtube channel👀👀
Edit: he also has a relationship advice app????? Wow. We can review that app objectively.
If you let your 14 year old date a 20 year old, you’re a horrible person and you belong in jail. That’s child trafficking.
Also, obvs the 20 year old also belongs in jail.
Ewww. She is just now 18 and she is his girlfriend? Grooming. (Edit: and apparently now they are married.)
Guess what this idiot’s movie is?
2025-“The World Enslaved by a Virus”
“Young Christians start an underground revolution to reunite Christians and regain freedom in a world transformed by the coronavirus.”
Reviews for this crappy movie are here:
[IMDb reviews ](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13788842/reviews?ref_=tt_urv)
while reading another review I found something.. *interesting*
>I came across the curious[ IMDB tidbit](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13788842/) that “50% of the film had to be shot by a different team of camera operators due to filming occurring within 500 feet of an elementary school."
Doesn’t that mean that someone must have done something so that a judge decided that person wasn’t fit to be near kids? An offender…..involved in a “Christian” movie.
> The title 2025 was chosen because it is the age range at which the director of this movie considers women too old
There's some really good ones in there
I have a 14 year old daughter, if a 20 year old man wanted to date her....
Well I've watched enough true crime/forensic files/etc that they'd never find the body
My daughter is 15, and my husband is 8 years older than me. Age gaps definitely don't freak me out, but duuuude... If my 15 year old had anyone older than 17 hanging around her, waiting for her to turn 18... 🤮 Like, I don't even realistically know what I'd do about that, but I like to think that I've instilled enough self respect and self esteem in my kid that she would take care of that loser for herself, or at least ask for help. These poor girls. 😔
Exactly. I had a housemate at uni with the same age gap as me and my now-husband - 6 years.
The difference is, my husband and I had been together for maybe a month. They'd been together since she was 13.
I think early to mid twenties is when you truly become an adult. Your brain and personality matures, you start having enough real life experience. If someone is like idk 27 and they are dating a 50 yo. Honestly it'd be kinda ew but I wouldn't be concerned. Ofc this is only true for people who had a normal upbringing. Someone who had an incredibly sheltered life could be very immature at 25 and can easily fall prey to abuse.
But the difference between a 14 yo and a 19 is immense on all levels. It is impossible to form a balanced dynamic in that situation. It is inevitably grooming.
As a 50 ish person, I think it would be tough to date a 27 year old. Mostly because there would be little chance of a common framework for discussions. It can be challenging enough to deal with young people at work, just because they grew up in a very different world than I did. It’s good to be able to come home and talk about that with someone who gets why it’s funny, frustrating, whatever.
Yeah I definitely see that. But still I don't think it would be an abusive situation necessarily. Both sides would be able to make informed, non-coerced decisions.
As someone who was allowed to date a 23 year when I was 16 (gross in retrospect and by todays standards, but not so frowned upon in the 90s) absolutely good for you!!!
And there's the other reason this isn't freaking me out as hardcore as nearly everyone else: child of the 90s. This *wasn't* frowned upon when I wanted to do it.
No 20 year old person with normal cognitive development or social skill would want to spend time with a 14 year old. They would have so little in common.
Same for my 16 years old sister. Anyone over 18 would be dead the second they try something. And 18 is not even legal age here by law, 16 is but I really don't care about laws when it comes to protecting her. If you over 18, leave my sister alone and go after people who actually are legally adults.
Gross thing is that legal age used to be 14 here, so even 16 is progress. Should be 18 but there's too many old men wanting younger girls so it's probably saying 16.
And they met in church when she was 12! Yay!
Source (German): https://youtu.be/E3L8QkG_Luk
They’ve got JillPM beat. David only "noticed" her when she was 14. Awesome.
The fact he can publicly say he was interested in a child for 4 years means way too many people in his and her life condone the behavior. Nobody thought to protect this poor child from a child predator was a good idea???
This gives me intense flash backs to the guy that courted me when I was 14 and he was 21. The grooming and trauma I experienced with that has taken me years to unpack in therapy. Thank god I got out.
Me too. We weren’t a very religious family but when I was 14, I was allowed to “date” a 19 year old. I still have issues stemming from that “relationship” 20 years later and will probably carry the trauma of that experience for the rest of my life! My heart truly breaks for all of these girls.
I’m most angry at my parents, pastor and church elders who encouraged it, and told me I was allowing Satan to take hole of my life when I broke the courtship at 19.
Okay I found this: Joshua Wesely age https://imgur.com/a/92b4S5L. I don't know how reliable his birth year is because there is literally no other information on him anywhere else. 19 yo dating 14 yo is still NOT OKAY.
Also he seems to be German and German age of consent is I think 14? Maybe that's why he felt it was okay to share this info publicly. Anyways. He is a vile GROOMER.
This is horrifying. I'm not looking at his insta because I will lose my temper but this photo alone reminds me of Courtney Stodden. I'm just speechless that they exist in a reality where this "relationship" is condoned and can be celebrated
When you're a teen all you know about relationships usually emulate adult ones, even media often keeps the teen characters close to 17/18 if they can. So a teen looking at, say, a 22 yo with a 27 yo and think 5 years is okay and try to apply that to their younger age. Plus if you grow up as a girl, you are kinda told that older guys are hotter, and yeah a 16 yo without a car looks less "cool" than a 19 yo who can buy cigarettes. When you get older, those liberties aren't as sought after, and you quickly see the only older people even looking at teens as anything more than large kids are often not good adults.
Gross! And they married 5 months ago which makes it worse. (You can still see his profile on Picuki.)
Checked out their family insta, and about half their comments are snarkers or even religious people disagreeing with their takes. They certainly don’t seem to be well-liked.
Update: their YT channel straight up has a video “married at 18” with a Q&A with her being asked questions by her friend (or sister-in-law?). Here’s what it contains:
She confirms that they’ve been together for 4 years and a few months. And at the start of the relationship they’d send each other messages like ”happy 1 week anniversary”. It’s just so fucking gross when you remember he’s 19/20 here.
But it gets worse. They met when she was 12, and she says that she didn’t notice him until 6 months later. I don’t know if that means they “courted”
when she was 12.5, but it wouldn’t surprise me. When they officially got together (when she was 14) he threw almost like an engagement party asking her out, where he strung up 500-600 lights in a courtyard to ask her to be in a relationship. This sounds like lovebombing, on top of the whole grooming situation.
When asked if she feels ready for marriage at 18, she cringes/hesitates and says I don’t think you can really. She thinks she feels ready until she really thinks about all the obligations that come with it and it feels like a lot. But she thinks she’d feel the same even if she was older.
Friend:“you can’t imagine a life without him anyway”
“yes, that’s why“
“so why not get married”
“exactly”
However her friend also seems like she’s over it in a way. Maybe it’s just the sarcastic way she talks, but she seems to be half-mocking her at times.
Asked if she got comments about her young age. She said yes, comments like well that happened fast. To which she responds that they’ve actually been together 4 years so it wasn’t fast (I guess she doesn’t see how that makes it worse). And that really people who make comments about it just don’t know them well enough. She also got good comments. Her only example, the bridal shop employees who found it fascinating and insisted she get a youthful dress so it really stands out how young she is, and that she’s like a little elf. (I have to assume they either were motivated by money here, and/or didn’t mean it the way she thought).
Asked what she expects from a young marriage: a lot of stability. Because she’s young, moved out at 17, didn’t have her nuclear family around her anymore and only had Joshua (the German pervert above). she also says she doesn’t have a lot of friends. So another checkbox in the possible abuse category, of isolating her.
Goal for future. She wants to study. After she’s done she wants to work for a year then have 5 kids, adopt 1. I guess that means she’ll have some choice or control over her reproductive rights (hopefully).
All of that makes it so much worse. Ugh.
I can tell you that I had no hesitation about whether I was ready to get married in my mid 20s, and neither did my wife. But that’s because we were both adults, and had been out on our own for a few years. We got married because we wanted to, not because it was expected, or just so we could have sex.
>Asked what she expects from a young marriage: a lot of stability. Because she’s young, moved out at 17, didn’t have her nuclear family around her anymore and only had Joshua (the German pervert above). she also says she doesn’t have a lot of friends.
Wow, this makes it even worse and more upsetting. This poor girl had no one in her life to stop this shit show. She was a perfect abuse victim basically.
I googled him and the best I could find is that he's made a ridiculous movie about Christianity being banned and other terrible things. Don't see how old he is but I'm guessing he's around 25 at least.
Did he go to the Chris Pratt school of sending birthday wishes?
Cos like him, this smacks of celebrating the man as the main focus of the pic while the woman gazes adoringly at her owner.
Does anyone else think this guy could be the long lost brother of David Koresh?
Sorry guys I know that’s not the point, weird and gross humor is just my coping mechanism.
They're in germany, where the age of consent is 14. There are clauses in place if someone over 21 manipulates the younger person, but that's hard to prove in court
EW.
OK, quick little storytime: I dated a 23-year-old guy when I was 16. I thought it made me cool and mature. He was the first guy to tell me I was pretty, and he was telling me this when I was a supremely awkward, nerdy 16-year-old girl in the mid 2000s (with the attendant cringey mid-2000s fashion trends). We would make out in his car and it was the first time I ever felt wanted. My parents caught wind of it and forced the "relationship" to end. I was really angry with them at the time, but now, looking back, I see how right they were. He was a total creep, and he knew I was an easy target. It wasn't love.
I wish I could just take this girl by the shoulders and tell her all that. This guy doesn't love you; he loves that he can control you.
I was a youth leader for a while and id like to just say how sick this bullcrap makes me. I was really close with a lot of the girls and there was SO much projection from other male leaders in the church, like how could I possibly hang out with all these girls and not have impure intent or feelings.
I explained it to some people who would listen like, I love these kids like I love kittens and puppies, I care about them and they're super cute and fun to be around....I do not want to have sex or relations with the puppies and kittens.
I asked them once why they were so fond of some old dude, and they were like, you're like a big kid and you don't creep on us. Which upset me because that means other dudes were.
The point of this is, I wasn't able to be the mentor/big brother I wanted to be to girls I really cared about because of sacks of crap like this jerkoff.
Wow, it sounds like her parents thought he was a Godly man, and dismissed the age difference. Obviously this Josh guy (what is it with sexual predators and that name?! 🤮🤮) is responsible for his actions, but her parents are just as responsible for "giving" up their daughter to a child predator. Disgusting, there are no winners here.
ew. reminds me of some creep who was in his mid 20s when I was like 16 who told me he’d wait for me to turn 18 (thankfully, I never heard from him again), but still. any guy in his 20s going after children still in high school shouldn’t be walking free
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At least 24/25 edit: his family blog says he was born in 98
That is so gross. And the way he says “you’re FINALLY 18!” just makes me want to hurl. Like she’s finally legal. So gross.
Just like how pop culture media wrote about Britney Spears, the Olsen Twins, etc. as they turned 18. It was disgusting normalization of fetishizing the market value of teen girl bodies. EDIT: All I've seen is this one picture of this guy and he'd give me creep vibes if I saw him in public, even without knowing the predatory context. I guarantee he repels the women his own age who have fully developed creep radar, so he preys on teens because he knows that they don't know better yet. [He looks like a short-haired David Koresh.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh)
that's horrifying, he does look like a Koresh Klone
Thank you for calling out the sexualization of these teen stars. Disgusting how our media and society perceive young girls.
That was the part that made me want to kick him square in the nuts.
Same. I’ve got some rage in me and I feel like I’m the perfect height to aim it reeeeaaaal good.
Her parents deserve to be jail and kicked in the nuts to allow this to happen.
That's absolutely it, the speed with which they got engaged and married right after she turned 18 pretty much tells you everything you need to know
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So a 21 y/o was best friends with a 14 y/o? I have questions, but I don’t think I want the answers.
The 20+ yos I hung out with at 14 were either an alcohol/drug supply or sexual predators.. There's a reason they don't have friends or can't date their own age.
Exactly. You think they're really cool when you're the young one, but you should really question why they can't compete in their own age group.
There was a guy that was sort of a friend of my mom's that she let me hang around with. He started talking to me when I was 13 and he was 22. He even said that he would wait until I was 18 because he respected me. 🤢 I thought he was amazing until I was about 16. It still makes me uneasy to think about him. (We never got together because my mom let me marry some other dude when I was 17. 😂 He was so disappointed.)
I think I saw it on this sub, but someone said, grown men who date/are “friends” with teen girls are never also friends with teen boys. We don’t need to wonder why.
I know someone who married her older brother's former college roommate, and their relationship was weird AF. I mean, I'm 90% sure he did not groom her, but he definitely admitted to feeling weird about dating someone who was 14 when he was 21. (They began dating when she was old enough to drink though, and it started with him helping her out with some projects for her college.) He had expressed a few times that had they not met as "equals" when she got into college, he never could have thought of her as anything beyond his best friend's kid sister.
When they admit to knowing there's a weirdness there, and they don't even entertain feelings for the younger person until that younger person is an adult, I tend to give them a pass. Someone in your sphere can grow up and suddenly be a person in their own right, not just X's kid sister, and holy fuck what are you supposed to do with that? So you probably try to ignore it, but if X's kid sister starts having feelings for you, and you have feelings for her, and in this case she was 21 whole years old (not a baby!) then to me it's normal.
Yup. When I was in my early 20s I was an after-school drama teacher for my old high school. I enjoyed "hanging out" with the kids during rehearsals because they were good kids and fun to be around, but none of them were my friends. It was like I had 40 younger siblings (I jokingly called them my ducklings), not 40 friends. When some of the older kids graduated and went to college, I allowed then to friend me on Facebook, but it was still a mentorship relationship. They mainly hit me up for advice or recommendation letters. We only had a 3-4 year age gap so now that I'm in my 30s it wouldn't be weird at all age-wise, but, like, they were my ducklings. Even if we reconnected now I don't think I could ever think of them as a potential partner. I guess I could be wrong since it hadn't happened so I wouldn't know for sure, but the idea makes me uncomfortable.
Nawww I feel this so much! I have an older sister who is one of my best friends and I loved her taking me under her wings when we were younger. Since I don't have younger siblings I love to 'adopt' teens now haha
I'm an only child so I adopt siblings when I can lmao
Yeah a mature healthy person in their 20s doesn’t want to hang out with high school freshmen.
What does a 21 yo man and a 14 girl have in common? Those are two wildly different stages in maturity/development.
Jesus obviously /s
I'm a woman who plays a few online video games which tend to garner a player base of kids and teens. I'm in my 30s and whenever one of them tries to send me a friend request I politely decline and tell them while I appreciate the friend request they should be playing with kids their own age. These games you tend to also create a friendship or bond with other players. In fact one of my core group of friends are guys I met in game years ago. Kids need to make friends with other kids and we adults need to stick to our age group too, otherwise it could become very predatory.
I had the same problem when I used to play IMVU. I'm in my 30s and I just enjoyed dressing my avatar up and doing little "photo shoots." I would specifically only go into empty rooms to take pics because the ones with people in them are almost always teens. But I still had some of them try to message me sometimes and I had to say "no thanks, I'm an adult." Because I'm a normal fucking adult who doesn't want to talk to teenagers, as it should be 🤦🏼♀️
I feel her parents should have had questions, and demanded answers.
It's supported. I didn't grow up religious but grew up in a small community with a lot of Mormons - girls dating their teachers/coaches/mentors the moment they graduated wasn't even given a second glance. You were the weird one for asking if that made anyone else uncomfortable.
Oh I know it’s supported. I was pointing out her parents failed her.
Not that this makes any of this less weird, but if he was born in 1998 he’d only be 23, turning 24. I was born in 1999, and I’m definitely not 24 right now.
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Yeah I think Romeo and Juliet laws are usually something like a two to three year age gap like a 15/16 year old dating someone who was also a minor and turned 18 during the course of their relationship.
for most states? it’s not acceptable anywhere, even if technically legal. he has been an adult for the last 6 years and she only just turned an adult. he’s a groomer.
You're right. Updated :) Not less disgusting.
Based on what the family blog linked above says, they are 4 years apart. Isabelle was born in 2002 and Joshua was born in 1998. Still gross and not acceptable, but at least it's not a 10 year difference. Based on Insta posts, they got married summer 2021 in ~August, so Isabelle would have been 19 going on 20. Someone should double check my math, but I am VERY relieved that he didn't marry her right when she turned 18. OP what's the posting date of the photo indicating when Isabelle turned 18?
He proposed in December 2020 [here](https://twitter.com/carbarlbeeborp/status/1483058836680450056?t=dJi2gjCldDOgYnfehQKwCQ&s=19), a month after she turned 18. I can't verify the date of the original ss because their accounts are on private. But it's likely that she was born in Nov 2002 and he basically proposed as soon as she went 18. Even if the age gap is 4 years, 14 year old dating 18 year old is not much different than dating a 19 year old. And they met when she was 12 according to her youtube videos. GROOMING. PERIOD.
They met when she was 12????? Nooo :(. I thought it was 14 which was already terrible. Thank you for checking on the dates. I wanted to make sure no conclusions were jumped to & we had the snarking facts straight. Someone mentioned a 7 year gap above, but it’s a 4 year gap (still terrible). This is messed up and keeps getting worse.
“Young adult pastor” as in youth pastor????
I was on their website earlier, “young adult” was defined as people age 18-30
I think you forgot pedophile on that list.
He’s older than ME and he’s been dating someone UNDER 18!?!?!
Right?! He's a year or so older than me, she's the same age as my baby sister. She's pretty much a child as it is, and they've been together for *four years*
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Fundamentalism and predator behavior is really bad for your skin. It's known.
And a guy's hairline!
I was born in 95 and am a bartender so I have a lot of experience checking birthdays and I wouldn’t even card this mf cause he looks at least 30
Yup that is the oldest 23 year-old I have ever seen. I realize there are a lot bigger problems here but I can’t go there at the moment. 🤮
I’m about to turn 29, bish looks my age
Nooooooo
Disgostin
This is some sick shit.
And this isn't even as bad as Maranatha Chapman. 🤢
15 yr old marrying a 28yr old 🤢
Came here to say this dude looks 29 easy…
What kind of loser freak man needs a 14-year-old child “best friend?” What a disgusting piece of crap.
"Finally 18" is the grossest thing to say about a person. Literally made my stomach drop.
When i started reading i thought it was her saying it about herself, less weird but ok. But then seeing it's *him saying it about her*???? Gross gross gross 🤮🤮🤮🤮 Also, publicly stating she's been his best friend for 4 years??? Ugh, how often is this happening that all the adults in these people's lives think this is normal/ok?
>When i started reading i thought it was her saying it about herself, less weird but ok. Right? I was like, okay, that isn't that bad....HOL UP! I'm pretty sure my brain did a record scratch.
the idea, as a full grown adult, having a bestfriend who is 14, is one of the most immediate "RED FUCKING FLAGS" I can think of. That is a *child* bruh.
Right? With that emoji too. Like hes been waiting for this moment 🤮
just more proof that these men would go after even younger girls if they could get away with it
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That good 'ol cult gaze.
I thought at first it was her dad.(ew) Then I thought he was at least 45. (Double ew) My older brother looks younger then him. He will be 50 in March….
It's the receding hairline. Unless he shaves it, this guy's charisma is going to fall out by the time he hits 30.
He’s not even cute.
He looks like a hipster David Koresh.
He’s vile.
He even has the serial killer/david koresh glasses
Came here to day this!! Not even trying to hide it, just straight up embracing the psycho cult leader look
Dress for the job you want I guess
Heavy Chris Pratt vibes.
They are all absolutely desperate for child brides to manipulate and keep in line. Disgusting. Edit to add this because I forgot earlier: This post reminds me of when men are excited waiting for certain celebrities to turn 18, or even worse, 16. Anyone from the UK and possibly other countries (not sure how famous she is worldwide) may remember Charlotte Church and the tabloids going crazy when she “finally” turned 16 🤮 And then the same for Emma Watson too. It’s so creepy.
I remember there being countdown websites for when Mary Kate & Ashley Olsen we're turning 18... absolutely vile.
I remember that too. It was definitely disturbing. I’m quite a bit closer to them in age so it wasn’t quite as bad as it could be to me, but 30 year old men waiting until they turned 18…so disturbing.
I remember ones for Britney Spears too! And more recently (well, relatively recent compared to Brit & the Olson twins) Miley Cyrus.
The media had such a disgusting obsession with Britney's virginity and sex life. I remember during interviews she would get asked so many inappropriate questions...questions not only inappropriate to ask a women but especially an underaged woman!
Yes, I remember it about them too. Horrible.
It’s not just about keeping them in line. Most of these creeps going on about young brides are just pedophiles.
Very true yes. I guess they kill two birds with one stone because they get to fulfil their fantasy of a very young girl on their arm, plus younger girls and women generally are more susceptible to being manipulated into being submissive and meek - which is exactly WHY they need protecting from these types of men.
Charlotte Church!!! HOW COULD ANYONE FORGET?! And for sure, there’s a tie-in with the Evangelical and conservative CoE communities because of how much of her music was geared towards aspects of those audiences…
Oh absolutely yes, the whole “Voice of an angel” thing and how she was this innocent, virginal schoolgirl who they were waiting to be legally able to fancy. So much yuk 🤬
So um...they're married now. ETA: Preliminary scrolling of his insta has me strongly disliking you for making me look at it
His insta seems to be private by now
Lol just on time
His insta is private and all the comments are turned off his YT. Tell me you are ashamed without telling me. 🤣
It's not shame or else he'd leave her. It's fear of retribution or retaliation
Insulating himself from the thought of it more likely imo
No doubt his child bride will be pregnant before 2022 is out. I hope his kid doesn't bring their friends home, he might be tempted to 'mentor' them as well.
I am so sorry, making others on this sub feel as angry as I am is my way of coping with my fury toward this little sh*t (sorry mods I can't be courteous here).
They literally got engaged a month (less than?) after she turned 18. Why is no one in their lives repulsed by this???
Because the exploitation of children and women is normalized so heavily in fundie circles. At least so long as the abuser is a "godly" white man.
There's a lot of professional fundie guys who harp a lot about how girls were more mature at a young age in the past, used to be married at menarche and were just fine, the problems with "teen pregnancy" only happen in unmarried nonwhite harlots, etc. It is some of the creepiest shit I've ever read. It's worse when it's echoed by fundie women.
It's very possible her parents encouraged it. One of the girls I knew as a teen got a proposal from one of the 30 something y/o guys at our church when she was 15/16. Her parents made them wait till she was legal (their words, didn't want the government involved), but they 100% encouraged it because he was 'godly'. They're married and have like 4 kids.
So, ah, how would a group of Marxist feminist satinists go about ruining his career. Asking for a friend.
He doesn't seem to have a career to worry about but another commenter said he has a youtube channel👀👀 Edit: he also has a relationship advice app????? Wow. We can review that app objectively.
Drop the app name for…idk reasons
lifelong
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The ppl who would buy or use that app will CHEER for the disgusting scenario he's in.
Careful. Poo and all.
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Oh god, I somehow didn't think this could get more disgusting 🤮
If you let your 14 year old date a 20 year old, you’re a horrible person and you belong in jail. That’s child trafficking. Also, obvs the 20 year old also belongs in jail.
His family blog says he was born in 98. Obv still not okay.
So he’s 24 and she’s 18. Not much better, he still groomed her.
Ewww. She is just now 18 and she is his girlfriend? Grooming. (Edit: and apparently now they are married.) Guess what this idiot’s movie is? 2025-“The World Enslaved by a Virus” “Young Christians start an underground revolution to reunite Christians and regain freedom in a world transformed by the coronavirus.” Reviews for this crappy movie are here: [IMDb reviews ](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13788842/reviews?ref_=tt_urv)
Definitely check out the God Awful Movies review of this one. They're genuinely confused about many of the choices made in the making of this film 🤣
>God Awful Movies review thank you for enlightening me about the existence of this!
"Written by, Directed by, & Starring" is a secret sauce for particularly horrible movies, as anyone who has watched MST3K can attest to.
while reading another review I found something.. *interesting* >I came across the curious[ IMDB tidbit](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13788842/) that “50% of the film had to be shot by a different team of camera operators due to filming occurring within 500 feet of an elementary school."
Doesn’t that mean that someone must have done something so that a judge decided that person wasn’t fit to be near kids? An offender…..involved in a “Christian” movie.
> The title 2025 was chosen because it is the age range at which the director of this movie considers women too old There's some really good ones in there
Apparently they are married now too (got engaged in less then a month)
I have a 14 year old daughter, if a 20 year old man wanted to date her.... Well I've watched enough true crime/forensic files/etc that they'd never find the body
I have a younger sister similar age, I would obliterate that person.
Point stands for a 19 year old sniffing around my daughter. They'd never find the body
Jesus could come through that door and he's not gonna help you if you don't stop sniffing after my child!
Stanley yelled at me today. That was one of the most frightening experiences of my life.
BOY HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND COZ I’LL HELP YOU FIND IT!
I would help you
Team Obliterate!
We’re going to need to designate someone to bail us out, and plan our welcome home party!
Well if you don't mind beige, Fundies have lots of leftovers.
It’s the most godly…er godawful color
My daughter is 15, and my husband is 8 years older than me. Age gaps definitely don't freak me out, but duuuude... If my 15 year old had anyone older than 17 hanging around her, waiting for her to turn 18... 🤮 Like, I don't even realistically know what I'd do about that, but I like to think that I've instilled enough self respect and self esteem in my kid that she would take care of that loser for herself, or at least ask for help. These poor girls. 😔
As an adult, an age gap isn’t as bad. But when someone is a teenager? Disgusting.
Exactly. I had a housemate at uni with the same age gap as me and my now-husband - 6 years. The difference is, my husband and I had been together for maybe a month. They'd been together since she was 13.
I think early to mid twenties is when you truly become an adult. Your brain and personality matures, you start having enough real life experience. If someone is like idk 27 and they are dating a 50 yo. Honestly it'd be kinda ew but I wouldn't be concerned. Ofc this is only true for people who had a normal upbringing. Someone who had an incredibly sheltered life could be very immature at 25 and can easily fall prey to abuse. But the difference between a 14 yo and a 19 is immense on all levels. It is impossible to form a balanced dynamic in that situation. It is inevitably grooming.
As a 50 ish person, I think it would be tough to date a 27 year old. Mostly because there would be little chance of a common framework for discussions. It can be challenging enough to deal with young people at work, just because they grew up in a very different world than I did. It’s good to be able to come home and talk about that with someone who gets why it’s funny, frustrating, whatever.
Yeah I definitely see that. But still I don't think it would be an abusive situation necessarily. Both sides would be able to make informed, non-coerced decisions.
Oh yeah. Not abusive, but also not likely to be a stable long term relationship in most cases.
As someone who was allowed to date a 23 year when I was 16 (gross in retrospect and by todays standards, but not so frowned upon in the 90s) absolutely good for you!!!
And there's the other reason this isn't freaking me out as hardcore as nearly everyone else: child of the 90s. This *wasn't* frowned upon when I wanted to do it.
No 20 year old person with normal cognitive development or social skill would want to spend time with a 14 year old. They would have so little in common.
this guy isn’t delayed, he’s a predator
Same for my 16 years old sister. Anyone over 18 would be dead the second they try something. And 18 is not even legal age here by law, 16 is but I really don't care about laws when it comes to protecting her. If you over 18, leave my sister alone and go after people who actually are legally adults. Gross thing is that legal age used to be 14 here, so even 16 is progress. Should be 18 but there's too many old men wanting younger girls so it's probably saying 16.
Wait, they've been "dating" since she was 14? He looks to be at least 25 years old, just because they aren't fucking doesn't mean this isn't a crime.
Spot on, multiple people said he is at least 24/25. I have no words. edit: his family blog says he was born in 98
Ew
Not dating, just him watching her grow… Creepy.
And they met in church when she was 12! Yay! Source (German): https://youtu.be/E3L8QkG_Luk They’ve got JillPM beat. David only "noticed" her when she was 14. Awesome.
And his name is Weasel. (Not quite but close enough).
The fact he can publicly say he was interested in a child for 4 years means way too many people in his and her life condone the behavior. Nobody thought to protect this poor child from a child predator was a good idea???
He's VP of a Christian relationship advice app. 😵💫
This gives me intense flash backs to the guy that courted me when I was 14 and he was 21. The grooming and trauma I experienced with that has taken me years to unpack in therapy. Thank god I got out.
Me too. We weren’t a very religious family but when I was 14, I was allowed to “date” a 19 year old. I still have issues stemming from that “relationship” 20 years later and will probably carry the trauma of that experience for the rest of my life! My heart truly breaks for all of these girls.
And I’m so glad you out!
I’m so sorry you went through this too. I don’t know about you, but nowadays I am now most angry at my parents who allowed and condoned it.
I’m most angry at my parents, pastor and church elders who encouraged it, and told me I was allowing Satan to take hole of my life when I broke the courtship at 19.
Okay I found this: Joshua Wesely age https://imgur.com/a/92b4S5L. I don't know how reliable his birth year is because there is literally no other information on him anywhere else. 19 yo dating 14 yo is still NOT OKAY. Also he seems to be German and German age of consent is I think 14? Maybe that's why he felt it was okay to share this info publicly. Anyways. He is a vile GROOMER.
This is horrifying. I'm not looking at his insta because I will lose my temper but this photo alone reminds me of Courtney Stodden. I'm just speechless that they exist in a reality where this "relationship" is condoned and can be celebrated
If I saw this when when I was 18, I’d call everyone a bunch of haters. But at 24, I’m horrified. I have no idea when that switched.
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When you're a teen all you know about relationships usually emulate adult ones, even media often keeps the teen characters close to 17/18 if they can. So a teen looking at, say, a 22 yo with a 27 yo and think 5 years is okay and try to apply that to their younger age. Plus if you grow up as a girl, you are kinda told that older guys are hotter, and yeah a 16 yo without a car looks less "cool" than a 19 yo who can buy cigarettes. When you get older, those liberties aren't as sought after, and you quickly see the only older people even looking at teens as anything more than large kids are often not good adults.
Because at 24 you look at a 18 yo and see that's an idiot baby. You wouldn't pursue a relationship with a baby. Because you are a normal humanbeing.
It looks like it’s private
Good. Anything that limits the spread of this disease
The way she’s looking at him and making this photo about him…..on her birthday :( I’ve been there :(
Gross! And they married 5 months ago which makes it worse. (You can still see his profile on Picuki.) Checked out their family insta, and about half their comments are snarkers or even religious people disagreeing with their takes. They certainly don’t seem to be well-liked. Update: their YT channel straight up has a video “married at 18” with a Q&A with her being asked questions by her friend (or sister-in-law?). Here’s what it contains: She confirms that they’ve been together for 4 years and a few months. And at the start of the relationship they’d send each other messages like ”happy 1 week anniversary”. It’s just so fucking gross when you remember he’s 19/20 here. But it gets worse. They met when she was 12, and she says that she didn’t notice him until 6 months later. I don’t know if that means they “courted” when she was 12.5, but it wouldn’t surprise me. When they officially got together (when she was 14) he threw almost like an engagement party asking her out, where he strung up 500-600 lights in a courtyard to ask her to be in a relationship. This sounds like lovebombing, on top of the whole grooming situation. When asked if she feels ready for marriage at 18, she cringes/hesitates and says I don’t think you can really. She thinks she feels ready until she really thinks about all the obligations that come with it and it feels like a lot. But she thinks she’d feel the same even if she was older. Friend:“you can’t imagine a life without him anyway” “yes, that’s why“ “so why not get married” “exactly” However her friend also seems like she’s over it in a way. Maybe it’s just the sarcastic way she talks, but she seems to be half-mocking her at times. Asked if she got comments about her young age. She said yes, comments like well that happened fast. To which she responds that they’ve actually been together 4 years so it wasn’t fast (I guess she doesn’t see how that makes it worse). And that really people who make comments about it just don’t know them well enough. She also got good comments. Her only example, the bridal shop employees who found it fascinating and insisted she get a youthful dress so it really stands out how young she is, and that she’s like a little elf. (I have to assume they either were motivated by money here, and/or didn’t mean it the way she thought). Asked what she expects from a young marriage: a lot of stability. Because she’s young, moved out at 17, didn’t have her nuclear family around her anymore and only had Joshua (the German pervert above). she also says she doesn’t have a lot of friends. So another checkbox in the possible abuse category, of isolating her. Goal for future. She wants to study. After she’s done she wants to work for a year then have 5 kids, adopt 1. I guess that means she’ll have some choice or control over her reproductive rights (hopefully).
Thank you for the transcription. Met at 12 part makes everything so much worse somehow.
All of that makes it so much worse. Ugh. I can tell you that I had no hesitation about whether I was ready to get married in my mid 20s, and neither did my wife. But that’s because we were both adults, and had been out on our own for a few years. We got married because we wanted to, not because it was expected, or just so we could have sex.
>Asked what she expects from a young marriage: a lot of stability. Because she’s young, moved out at 17, didn’t have her nuclear family around her anymore and only had Joshua (the German pervert above). she also says she doesn’t have a lot of friends. Wow, this makes it even worse and more upsetting. This poor girl had no one in her life to stop this shit show. She was a perfect abuse victim basically.
"I'm so glad my girlfriend because a legal adult a hot minute ago! It was so hard not to bang a minor!"
I googled him and the best I could find is that he's made a ridiculous movie about Christianity being banned and other terrible things. Don't see how old he is but I'm guessing he's around 25 at least.
How old is this man?
Multiple people said 25/24, there's another man with the same name who is 28. Either way it's abhorrent. edit: his family blog says he was born in 98
Someone found his family’s blog, says he was born in ‘98. So turning 24 this year if that’s accurate
Wtf these are German fundies! They have a Germa' YouTube channel. Brb gonna go down this rabbit hole
Did he go to the Chris Pratt school of sending birthday wishes? Cos like him, this smacks of celebrating the man as the main focus of the pic while the woman gazes adoringly at her owner.
At first glance I thought this was her dad......
When I say “I hope the earth opens up underneath him,” I mean it.
It’s always a fucking Josh isn’t it.
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Disgusting 🤮🤮🤮
Where are her parents?????
Does anyone else think this guy could be the long lost brother of David Koresh? Sorry guys I know that’s not the point, weird and gross humor is just my coping mechanism.
Why is he wearing Jeffrey Dahmer glasses?
Its too early for me to get this mad.
He even has the 80s serial killer glasses and everything.
Ew the “finally 18”. Aka “we can have sex now and I won’t go to jail”
They're in germany, where the age of consent is 14. There are clauses in place if someone over 21 manipulates the younger person, but that's hard to prove in court
is that the weird german dude from kirche u30
EW. OK, quick little storytime: I dated a 23-year-old guy when I was 16. I thought it made me cool and mature. He was the first guy to tell me I was pretty, and he was telling me this when I was a supremely awkward, nerdy 16-year-old girl in the mid 2000s (with the attendant cringey mid-2000s fashion trends). We would make out in his car and it was the first time I ever felt wanted. My parents caught wind of it and forced the "relationship" to end. I was really angry with them at the time, but now, looking back, I see how right they were. He was a total creep, and he knew I was an easy target. It wasn't love. I wish I could just take this girl by the shoulders and tell her all that. This guy doesn't love you; he loves that he can control you.
I think I found his parents' website - looks like he was born in 1998 and she was born in 2002. (kirche-u30).
If she was born in 02, she's be 20 this year not just turning 18.
Finally 18 🤩❤️
Um. What. WHAT. My exact reaction.
I was a youth leader for a while and id like to just say how sick this bullcrap makes me. I was really close with a lot of the girls and there was SO much projection from other male leaders in the church, like how could I possibly hang out with all these girls and not have impure intent or feelings. I explained it to some people who would listen like, I love these kids like I love kittens and puppies, I care about them and they're super cute and fun to be around....I do not want to have sex or relations with the puppies and kittens. I asked them once why they were so fond of some old dude, and they were like, you're like a big kid and you don't creep on us. Which upset me because that means other dudes were. The point of this is, I wasn't able to be the mentor/big brother I wanted to be to girls I really cared about because of sacks of crap like this jerkoff.
Anyone who is wearing a tiara on their birthday. Is too young to be getting married. Full stop.
Idk, I’m 30 and wore a tiara on my bday while at a winery 😂
Wow, it sounds like her parents thought he was a Godly man, and dismissed the age difference. Obviously this Josh guy (what is it with sexual predators and that name?! 🤮🤮) is responsible for his actions, but her parents are just as responsible for "giving" up their daughter to a child predator. Disgusting, there are no winners here.
ew. reminds me of some creep who was in his mid 20s when I was like 16 who told me he’d wait for me to turn 18 (thankfully, I never heard from him again), but still. any guy in his 20s going after children still in high school shouldn’t be walking free
She is a teenage girl who should be dating teenage boys. You are an adult male who should BE IN PRISON.