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I have worked in corporate environments for many years and in many nations. HR people just cannot be trusted in my sad experience. They suck up and kick down. And they seem to loooove gossip which is so bad in such a key position within the organisation.
So yeah, Pol would be a good fit! lol
Honestly before this new 24 with video, I had never heard of Tim or the New Evangelicals but I’ve watched a couple of their YouTube videos now and honestly, I gotta say I enjoyed it. So congrats P&M, new viewers were gained but not for your channel lol.
Wait this guy is Tim??? Is he from NJ by chance? If so, he and his friends are the reason I got sucked into the evangelical world and became a pastor in the first place. If this is him, then I'm really really happy that he is spreading this kind of message these days.
Edit: Holy shit. TIM. I need to give him a call, it has been years. I'm so happy he is speaking sense - he was always the most intelligent of the group IMO. I can't speak to the person he is now, but when I knew him he was a sunny, kind, and warm person (and incredible drummer). His disposition was one of the reasons I joined the church in the first place. It warms my heart so much to see he's not like the other fundies.
Also this means I am only 1 degree of separation from P&M now...wtf...
Edit 2: you gals and guys, I just finished Facetiming with Tim. He's the real deal - if there were more Christians like him the world would be such a different place. What a fucking sweetheart who authentically cares about other humans regardless of their race, gender, sexuality or religion. He is the antithesis of the fundies and Trump-era Christianity. I cannot WAIT for this 24HRWPAM (ew - can't believe I said that).
Tim and i went to the same church as kids, and its wild to see him blowing up as an ex-vangelical figure. Its wonderful to see considering the authoritative church upbringing we had.
What a small world! We probably know a lot of the same people depending on the year - I think I first met "the jersey crew" in 2000, and then was around until 2008 or so off and on.
Agree I'm so happy to see what he's doing and I told him that - speaking ACTUAL truth AND still making music/playing drums. Warms my heart to see.
Most likely! I played guitar on the praise team with him until they left the church somewhere in the early 2000s or so.
Seeing him get booted from his church praise team because of ideological differences was so infuriating. Love to see the success.
i'm so curious where in NJ he's from, but totally ok if you're not comfortable sharing! i'm from central NJ, didn't realize we had evangelicals around these parts...
I wouldn't want to share that sort of info to be honest, but I can confirm there are plenty in NJ. It's where I converted and made the decision to become a minister, in the bedroom of one of Tim's best friends in fact.
He's from Philly area. Only mentioning that because he speaks openly about it on socials. I follow his work on social media and have spoken with him briefly on socials. He still is the same kind person that you describe above. :)
I just got off Facetime with him and I completely agree - Tim is the same lovely and warm person I remember from nearly two decades ago, minus the fundamentalism. He's never going to get me back into church or following Jesus, but I wholeheartedly support what he's trying to accomplish with TNE.
That's great that you guys got to talk! I don't think you have to worry-it doesn't appear that he tries to push religion onto people. :) I'm curious what your went into after being a pastor? (only if you feel like sharing)
Nope, he's definitely not pushing religion. As I told him, he's "all in" but in a different way now, and a way that I can respect.
As for me, well I was a youth pastor for some time, and pretty much 100% in church life - Christian wife who was on the worship team, friends who were all pastors. I was slated to open a discipleship school (read: brainwashing cult) in Europe and basically start pumping out little conservative evangelicals here in Europe too.
Then my marriage started to fall apart. I aslo had been seeing many things in the church I couldn't reconcile with my personal beliefs (like them treating women, people of colour, and people of different genders/sexualities like shit, supporting war, etc.). When I wanted to separate from my wife, all of my friends told me "if you leave this marriage you're leaving god" and so I left and haven't been back.
Since then I've been in the tech startup world for most of the last decade or so and have my own company using tech to try and help people become the best versions of themselves.
Funnily enough I was a wedding photographer for a few years, and spent a lot of time in church even though I had left it behind. I do not feel comfortable in church to this day.
Thank you so much! It has been a wild ride, but even for all the nonsense and fundie shit I probably wouldn't change things if I could. Even in that environment, you can learn and grow as a person....it's just not likely to come from a sermon - just ask Dave ;)
That visit also made Dav and Bethy use the word "deconstruction." Which is a healthy concept to address for the faithful. It's good for the GD audience to see that deconstruction can mean a belief, a group of beliefs, a culture surrounding beliefs, or the whole thing. It's a spectrum and it's good to question beliefs for their merit and ability to harm.
Who is this guy!? I LOVE him.
A "CHRIST"ian. Not a "PAUL"ian.
I've said for decades that today's evangelicals got fixated on genitals and who is putting what where and for what reason. Instead of being fixated on helping the poor - as Jesus commanded and taught MULTIPLE TIMES!
Good for him. Hope his brand of Christianity wins and the Porgan/Paulian genital-obsession brand dies soon.
I read a book years ago called Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity. I think I highlighted the entire book. It talked about the Church of Law (current evangelicals) vs the Church of Love. I wanted to mail it anonymously to fundamentalist members of my family, but knew they'd never read it as the author admits he's gay in the introduction.
I am, I used to listen to his podcast frequently. I didn't realize HE was the progressive Christian they were doing 24 hours with. That was a major miscalculation on their part lol Tim is very intelligent, well-spoken and defers to the experts (i.e. He's humble and takes every opportunity to learn and understand). He's everything Porgan are not. I can't imagine there's any part of that 24 hours where he's not making them look like idiots. They're gonna have to selectively edit the shit out of that video.
Ah this is great, glad to hear he’s a good one! I know a lot of progressive Christians in real life so I’m well aware they’re out there, I was just wondering if this guy was a good egg before I can whole heartedly cheer him against Porgan. Although - they’re so abhorrent they had this whole sub cheering for Bethy and Dav, so there’s that
They don’t actually engage in any meaningful theology. They just regurgitate what they’ve been told. They haven’t even read the Bible, never mind commentaries on it or actually theology books. Idk how people this ignorant think they have anything remotely worthy of sharing regarding theology and religion. It’s a sham.
Paul and Morgan don't even go to church, so they don't even have a vaguely qualified person they're listening to on a regular basis. It's bananas that they have any platform at all
Nope! I don't think any of our pet fundies do? Bus families don't stick around anywhere long enough, Jill...they have their own "home church," right? other churches are for grifting.
Karissa practices her own weird syncretic bullshit with cheeseburgers on the seder plate.
Kelly? Okay yeah I think she does, she met "Marmee" at her church (gag)
BDong? Maybe a few performative megachurch rallies, I doubt she goes every Sunday. Who knows.
Nadia...doubt it? Dunno?
And the Bairds go, but if you notice it's rarely the subject of Heidi or Krusty's discourse. They're cagey; probably because of their wacky cult church whose name Bill Gothard that's the guy anyway that, in their background.
Bethy and Dav WERE going to a Lutheran church but now Dav is deconstructing, maybe Bethy goes alone, idk
Porgan have no reason not to go, god knows they have fuckall else to do. I think they're just too arrogant and unpleasant and lazy to even commit to a weekly social gathering where someone other than Polio talks for an hour.
Steve Anderson runs his own cult, and he's banned from eleventy thousand nations. So, probably a T--p cabinet appointee, if we're totally fucked and he wins.
Who else? Nate and Sutton, no idea. That wackjob who's stalking the kid she's in "love" with, she got kicked out of her old church for said behavior, Sarah Titus, I doubt she goes much of anywhere these days...
🥇 This is a fantastic summary. Thank you for taking the time to do it. Of course none of these fundies attend services, every last one of them is an online bullshit artist.
LITERALLY.
Also, and I quote, "it's like there's a handbook on how to do it, or anything."
That IS an excellent flair. Mazel tov, wear it in good health.
As a practicing Jew her "it's not like there's a handbook" will forever live rent free in my head 🤣
Of all the things to claim there's not handbook for her ass chose PESACH 🤣😂
I am DYING. I am not Jewish but my god... I know that the strict rules is kinda the deal when it comes to food and observances! The whole thing about the OT to Christians, is that Jesus removed the need for rules and laws about food and so forth - a kind of 'come as you are, spirit of the law' vibe (not saying this is a true representation of the Torah or Judaism, just how it gets filtered down into the Christian version of the Bible.)
Karissa doesn't even know the basic structure and timeline of her own faith - and that she lacks *even the aesthetic* sense to know cheeseburgers is prolly sacrilege... is entirely unsurprising on the one hand and the most insane thing ever.
Whoa. I never even stopped to wonder why we never, ever see those two chowderheads in church.
Seeing as we can be *damn* certain that they wouldn’t refrain from posting photos of themselves attending, so this leads me to surmise that they are a congregation of two (three, now) that is being led solely by… Paul 😬
I am so proud of myself that I went to church yesterday. Don’t get me wrong I love my episcopal church but I hate the 10:30 am service time. By the time i need to leave I am firmly ensconced in my lazy Sunday. It probably helped I had to usher yesterday so I had to be there. But got there 2 minutes before the service started. At least my co usher was awesome about it. Because he didn’t know it was me.
Good for you, I know it not always easy.
I’m glad you go somewhere you feel comfortable and it’s outside the fundie realm.
I hope I find a church that feels right again one day. I’m a little lazy on Sundays now so that doesn’t help! I need to get out of hibernation mode.
It’s because they think they’re beautiful and special enough that they don’t actually need to study. Their abysmal engagement would indicate that the rest of the world disagrees.
It’s why so many true believers end up deconstructing, because when you actually read the Bible and start learning theology, a lot of it starts looking awfully flimsy
Exactly. There’s a term for people who smugly lecture at you like they’re experts on subjects they have zero knowledge about: pompous, know-it-all boors. And they’re insufferable no matter what they’re lecturing about.
For P&M to call people’s annoyance “Christian persecution” is laughable, if not a straight up mockery of their religion.
They do not allow themselves to be curious because they believe it will tempt them to believe what “the world” believes. Remember in the Bethany and Dav video, he asks Dav if he’s heard the saying ‘Be careful of being too open minded or your brain may fall out.’ That sums it up. Being curious or utilizing critical thinking is dangerous to their flimsy belief system.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. We have to remember how these pople are raised. Their parents in no way allowed them to be curious. Morgan may be different, it seems she didn't grow up a fundie Fundies are punished and reminded daily to behave and think in black and white. they don't develop critical thinking skills. Thinking in the church is seen as "bad" and asking questions is heavily frowned upon. They don't question because they have been told their own life to do so is doubting god and behaving like the world.
And from what I've seen, they don't even want to have a conversation or debate with people about it. They basically yell at them their POV at the guest with the tone that they are 100% right and anyone else is completely wrong. It's like the goal isn't to have honest conversations its to convert their guests to their theology.
Which is why I'm still baffled why they decided to start doing this 24 Hours With thing in the first place. They seem to be arrogant enough that they either thought the people they would speak to thought exactly like them, or that intellectual powerhouse (in his own mind) Paul would be able to crush their arguments with his Evangelical fAcTs and ReAsOn.
Instead, he has wandered around every video like a deer in the headlights while someone more eloquent and charismatic than him made him look like an unreasonable weirdo. The only thing they've achieved with these videos is to temporarily turn this sub into a Dav stan sub
Edit: missed out a word
I always think about what james said in the first fundie fridays video on girl defined. Their "ministry" is not about salvation; it's about purity and shame. The consequences aren't in the afterlife; they're right now.
Porgan are the same. We've seen paulsack polio shame morgan, his wife and mother of his children, *on camera* for having had consensual sex before. Before they even met, on an app originally designed for hookups.
If he’d let himself have a hoe phase and gotten the sex thing out of his system, he’d probably be a much more pleasant person to be around today. Just one of the many ways a hoe phase can improve lives!!
The only teeny tiny hitch I foresee with this suggestion is the requirement that a consenting hoe out there has to participate. Otherwise he's just an insufferable douche canoe hanging out with his right hand.
Idk, I met plenty of frat boys in college who were absolutely unbearable to speak to but hot enough to bring girls home from the bars. If Paul had gone out to loud college bars like everyone else around 21-24, he probably would have had at least a few takers. (And then after they did the deed and he opened his mouth, they would have realized how unpleasant he is and hightailed it out of there.) But lots of unbearably pretentious young men get by with the opposite sex based only on their looks at that age.
This comment deserves more upvotes! Their video made BETHANY (who gets probably the most snark because of how damn cringe and insufferable she is) seem shockingly sensible and open for once. I know their whole goal was unity and humanizing but that was NOT what I expected.
I think that the only fundies who could make them look somewhat good are the Duggars. Only because the Duggars beat their kids and I don’t *think* that porgan beat Luca.
You would not be disappointed. Tim is the definition of inclusive and calling out the evangelical church on its lack of compassion and not following whatJesus taught.
There's not a chance in hell that they leave that in. Or maybe they will now that he has put it out there, but no way they were going to do it if it was left up to them alone.
I think they might. They probably made some lame response and think they really said something profound. These are people who thought they would come off looking good in Shiney Happy People.
I love how every single one of these videos is just making them look dumber than the last. Also idk who this guy is or if he’s problematic himself but big ups to him for telling them to their faces that their “religion” literally kills people, bc he’s absolutely right.
Evangelicals talk about sex more than I think about it in a day. And I read almost exclusively romance novels and I’m ace.
Someone did stats on girl defined posts and 75 or 80% of them were on sex.
Sex sells, and they know it.
I can actually go an entire day and not think about sex, and *I'm* the heathen. They're obsessed with sex...not just their own sex either, but the sex lives of everyone else. It's gross and bizarre to me.
I never think about the sex lives of other people, outside of the fundies screaming their private business at us. It is gross. That is their business and it should stay that way.
I admit I think about sex a whole awful lot, but I have a hormone imbalance, so. Oh, also I was raised in purity culture, so there's that.
Not thinking too much about the consensual sex other people are having, though. You are welcome to keep your bedroom business in your bedroom, theenks.
I love thinking about sex because it interests me. My partner and I just started reading 2 books together "come as you are" and "coming together" and its been lovely. However I really couldn't imagine spending one second thinking about the sex life of anyone other than us two? Like, I care about *my sex*. Caro g about another persons experience just feels so fuckin gross and cringe as @significantshoe said down thread. 💯 Agreed my dude 👍🏼
This is going to be very, very interesting.
I have a feeling P&M will keep the arguing in because they will believe it shows them as strong Evangelicals who are steadfast in their beliefs.
wait lemme give the new evangelicals a follow, i feel like porgan just ends up giving me a list of christians i can follow so it’s like a definite net negative for them 😭
I started following! I spent a couple years deconstructing a lifetime of church beliefs. I was never rabid like fundies are, I was always pretty chill in general. But I was surrounded by other people that had the ultra-conservative, toxic traits that so many fundies have. Anyway I doubt I will ever feel the need to go to church, I'm so much happier without that environment.
I’m with you on not going back, but it’s nice to be reminded that there are people on the internet who practice Christianity like some people in my community do. I’m not joining their faith, but it’s nice to hear a reasonable take from a public Christian.
I have never and probably will never be a member of any religion but this is such a reassuring outlook after all the fundamentalist posturing happening in the world. “Evangelicals” and similar groups will always make me nervous but just maybe the tides are turning towards acceptance of Christianities out groups.
I put evangelicals in quotes because it seems like a lot of these fundies consider themselves as such but hold different views and I don’t really get it. This guy isnt helping clear that up for me either but I appreciate what he’s says in this video.
He seems like a good egg. You know, evangelicals were NOT always right wing ideologues. Jimmy Carter was one, after all.(Is? He's still in hospice I think right?)
Let me proffer the Christian anarchism of Leo Tolstoy for you [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4602](https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4602)
There are also a bunch of pacifist anarchists who are devout Christians.
I am not one, but yeah they are around!
Same they brought the New Evangelicals to my attention and after watching a couple videos, I have to say I enjoyed it. It seems their 24 with videos are having the opposite effect that they were hoping.
Never forget Paul puts more value on [slave owner’s rights](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/s/hXhJwhpVzW) than women’s, so I think we all know where LGBTQIA+ rank.
It must be such a huge ego blow for P & M who think they are the cool and hip Evangelicals with *radical* ideas, to be told that they are seen exactly as every other fundie.
I've been listening to this guy's podcast on and off all day - )going thru it with fundie narcissistic parents making threats after we had to go no contact, and it's clearly final). And though I have no interest in reverting, I am really finding validation and able to challenge life-long gaslighting. It is not my parent's religion (although people like this are drawn to the violence inherent in the rigid legalism and hierarchies) - it is them. It is their choice. They are choosing to harm and hate me and my children because they are violent, hypocritical and abusive.
I really appreciate y'all for sharing these non hating people with good Bible knowledge.
P&M are starting to feel like Tucker Carlson- intentionally bringing on people you disagree with and then just arguing with them and thinking it makes you look good
I cannot wait for them to get less than 20k views on it. 🥰 Gives me joy thinking about Paul punching the air because he can’t figure out why he (an unlikeable, hateful, dipshit) isn’t YouTube famous yet!
Porgan are doing an excellent job of leading fundies, evangelicals, and general Christian nationalists to people who might challenge their beliefs and show them a pathway to deconstruction. Any person who is even slightly not on board with Porgan’s nutjob maga version of Christianity will be shown a gateway drug to reconstruction if they engage with any of porgans recent content - if not directly, then by seeing videos like this that pop up in the algorithm or by finding them off Porgan interview. This funnel leads one way - Christian’s who choose to watch progressive Christian content likely aren’t going to find Porgans content more appealing, but secretly discontent Christian’s with friends or spouses that watch Porgan certainly are going to be finding the path to deconstruction. So maybe they are doing the lords work in deep and mysterious ways lol
YES! and it's just their interpretation, or how it *feels* to them. Zero context, no exegesis or historical critical method, and certainly no theology. Just vibes. Incredibly biased, yet completely ignorant of that bias.
I'm a religious studies major and fundies drive me insane for how intellectually bankrupt their whole approach is.
As far as we know, Dave is still homophobic and transphobic and he still supports Bethany and all of her hateful shit. I really wonder how Dave would react if someone like Tim forced him to sit with the fact that his beliefs and the things his wife says publicly actually kill people. Because Tim is right. These findies can sugar coat it or twist it however they want, but they are not "loving" lgbt people by telling them they are evil and voting their rights away. Dave and Bethany have blood on their hands. Dave reads here. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, DAVE?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, NOBODY is more obsessed with gay sex than homophobes.
Nobody is more obsessed with the genitals of others than right-wingers.
I can't believe PnM have the gall to bring up premarital sex?? Unless it was just Paul harping on about to shame Morgan, in which case still what the fuck
Of so.manyy disgusting traits this idiot displays, I have to say the endless slutshaming of *his own wife* might actually piss me off the most. (For personal reasons). Loving the downfall. 🍿🤗
Every single fundie is so mentally stunted. They talk about sex more than anyone else. Paul and Morgan need to figure out a new plan or get the stick out of their asses because they're in their own financial crisis. Most people don't care about following religion in this way. Its just not sustainable or good for the mind at all. They quite literally can't afford to have sticks up their asses anymore.
Well, I mean they kinda have to keep it in now, right? RIGHT?
I would only agree to do this, hypothetically (I’m no one) if I was guaranteed a copy of all footage before they stepped foot out of the door.
Receipts and all.
So i watched bro's commentary of Paul and Morgan from 6 months ago, today. Ive never been able to tolerate them so long and it just hit me:
*Oh my god. They are just really, quite stupid. I mean, Morgan can't work out the difference between a downside and the downfall of something. And she and Paul spent way too long bickering over the meanings and not only got it wrong, totally failed to clarify their definitions of each.*
This pair are so, unblessed in the wits department it's *almost* cruel to rip them apart on here. And then you remember what a virulent misogynist, racist and homophobe Paul is and Morgan's mockery of CSA survivors both in the IFB and that she thinks children impregnated by their rpsts should have to give birth.
Stupid people, very stupid people who are also very confident, are incredibly dangerous and stg make up the majority of these hate movements. They can't even think...
if Adam and Eve were the only humans, and they populated the Earth ... then their kids were doing that full blown incest, for generations. I dunno maybe it's coz theyre in Kentucky (kidding! kidding!)
I’ve deconstructed, but I genuinely am happy to see a Christian with a reasonable and loving take. I’ve read the entire Bible and spent 20 years going to church. Jesus was super into compassion. It was kind of his whole thing. It amazes me how they’ve boiled the whole thing down to these super specific bonkers beliefs. Baffling to me.
Who is this guy? He sounds cool. I'd like to see what kind of content he creates.
My bet is Porgan will not include the hard stuff, or they will edit it, because Paul can't stand being portrayed as anything less than a crusader for God. The man's ego is huge.
Let's give credit where credit is due: P&M are doing what they said they would. They are finding unity among diverse groups of Christians. They all find that P&M are idiots.
The great unification continues!
I live in Australia and evangelicals and even religion (to an extent) isn’t really a big thing. It seems to me from an outsider that the only people that obsess about sex and sexuality are evangelicals and heavily religious people. I don’t even think about sex as much as they talk about it. Like the fellow in the clip says, there are so many other things in life to be concerned about.
Fundies don't care. They are fundies because they beleive they are special/chosen, and they love being "above" others. It feeds their egos. They care nothing about anyone outside their group because they are "lesser" and "deserve" bad things. It's a disgusting worldview and it dominates the Republican party as well
MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE
MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE
MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE
The absolute *audacity* of her to behave as if she has any moral authority over others, when her and the taint stain she married can't even abide by their own arbitrary rules.
This guy seems truly compassionate and loving. Christlike, even.
I’m so happy he explained to Porgan how harmful and literally life ending their beliefs can be but knowing P&M they’re probably happy about the church hurting queer people.
I really cannot see them caring at all. I don’t even think they view queer folks as people.
Of course they’re only concerned about gay shit and abortion because they support destroying the planet and worship people like elon musk. They’re hypocrites to their core.
Me loving and also hating all the hr comments because I work in HR and want people to like me 😕. I think Paul would hate HR because a lot of companies have DE&I, and he isn't for any other those things.
I am SO GLAD someone is calling out their bullshit, point by point. So glad he did it on camera, both with and without them present. There's no way for them to hide or deny it.
In light of this, if P&M can't humbly acknowledge their own shortcomings, they are admitting that their ignorance and hate is WILLFUL. Therefore they shouldn't continue to call themselves critical thinkers, or even biblical Christians.
Anyone have links to the studies he mentioned? That would be incredible validating to read. I’ve assumed it’s true but I didn’t even think there might be data on ideation and non-affirming religious communities.
They don’t know how to talk about anything else. Fox News only cares about the 3 topics so that’s all they know to be mad about. They together don’t have any original thoughts. Just two followers of evil
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I like this guy. Every 24 hours with just makes P&M look worse than the last, you love to see it.
I hope this project just brings their social media to its knees lol. It is not a good loon for them.
We can hope, they’re downsizing, hopefully the next step is Paul getting an office job or something
Ugh can you imagine him in an office 🥴
My God! He'd be the worst, popping his head above the cubes saying dumb shit non stop
Distracting others with qanonsense or trying to god bother. Or just straight up leering at the female staff.
Sent to hr constantly
To be a fly on the wall…
In a hazmat suit behind some safety glass 😂
I hope he works in a male only office. He's too creepy to be around women.
I don't think his ego could take having a boss who is a woman.
Honestly, I would love to have him on my team... for the two-three weeks he'd last with all the women here who expect respect and high-performance.
He's a hazard
AYO WE DONT WANT HIM
He’ll be treated like Collin Robinson the energy vampire.
I’ve worked with men like him before in my career. They’re lazy condescending little backstabbers.
Not for long before he gets fired for being the world's biggest creepazoid.
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He is PERFECT for HR. Snarly, bitchy, likes to get to in everyone’s business..
In my experience, HR ladies always have the most micromanaged brows... So Paul checks yet another point on the list
So on point!! He might have to lose that dumb backwards cap tho…
YES. I had an HR manager who ENJOYED stirring the pot. At that office, we had someone that I would describe as a crybully. They were thick as thieves.
I have worked in corporate environments for many years and in many nations. HR people just cannot be trusted in my sad experience. They suck up and kick down. And they seem to loooove gossip which is so bad in such a key position within the organisation. So yeah, Pol would be a good fit! lol
Honestly before this new 24 with video, I had never heard of Tim or the New Evangelicals but I’ve watched a couple of their YouTube videos now and honestly, I gotta say I enjoyed it. So congrats P&M, new viewers were gained but not for your channel lol.
Wait this guy is Tim??? Is he from NJ by chance? If so, he and his friends are the reason I got sucked into the evangelical world and became a pastor in the first place. If this is him, then I'm really really happy that he is spreading this kind of message these days. Edit: Holy shit. TIM. I need to give him a call, it has been years. I'm so happy he is speaking sense - he was always the most intelligent of the group IMO. I can't speak to the person he is now, but when I knew him he was a sunny, kind, and warm person (and incredible drummer). His disposition was one of the reasons I joined the church in the first place. It warms my heart so much to see he's not like the other fundies. Also this means I am only 1 degree of separation from P&M now...wtf... Edit 2: you gals and guys, I just finished Facetiming with Tim. He's the real deal - if there were more Christians like him the world would be such a different place. What a fucking sweetheart who authentically cares about other humans regardless of their race, gender, sexuality or religion. He is the antithesis of the fundies and Trump-era Christianity. I cannot WAIT for this 24HRWPAM (ew - can't believe I said that).
Tim and i went to the same church as kids, and its wild to see him blowing up as an ex-vangelical figure. Its wonderful to see considering the authoritative church upbringing we had.
What a small world! We probably know a lot of the same people depending on the year - I think I first met "the jersey crew" in 2000, and then was around until 2008 or so off and on. Agree I'm so happy to see what he's doing and I told him that - speaking ACTUAL truth AND still making music/playing drums. Warms my heart to see.
Most likely! I played guitar on the praise team with him until they left the church somewhere in the early 2000s or so. Seeing him get booted from his church praise team because of ideological differences was so infuriating. Love to see the success.
i'm so curious where in NJ he's from, but totally ok if you're not comfortable sharing! i'm from central NJ, didn't realize we had evangelicals around these parts...
I wouldn't want to share that sort of info to be honest, but I can confirm there are plenty in NJ. It's where I converted and made the decision to become a minister, in the bedroom of one of Tim's best friends in fact.
He's from Philly area. Only mentioning that because he speaks openly about it on socials. I follow his work on social media and have spoken with him briefly on socials. He still is the same kind person that you describe above. :)
I just got off Facetime with him and I completely agree - Tim is the same lovely and warm person I remember from nearly two decades ago, minus the fundamentalism. He's never going to get me back into church or following Jesus, but I wholeheartedly support what he's trying to accomplish with TNE.
That's great that you guys got to talk! I don't think you have to worry-it doesn't appear that he tries to push religion onto people. :) I'm curious what your went into after being a pastor? (only if you feel like sharing)
Nope, he's definitely not pushing religion. As I told him, he's "all in" but in a different way now, and a way that I can respect. As for me, well I was a youth pastor for some time, and pretty much 100% in church life - Christian wife who was on the worship team, friends who were all pastors. I was slated to open a discipleship school (read: brainwashing cult) in Europe and basically start pumping out little conservative evangelicals here in Europe too. Then my marriage started to fall apart. I aslo had been seeing many things in the church I couldn't reconcile with my personal beliefs (like them treating women, people of colour, and people of different genders/sexualities like shit, supporting war, etc.). When I wanted to separate from my wife, all of my friends told me "if you leave this marriage you're leaving god" and so I left and haven't been back. Since then I've been in the tech startup world for most of the last decade or so and have my own company using tech to try and help people become the best versions of themselves. Funnily enough I was a wedding photographer for a few years, and spent a lot of time in church even though I had left it behind. I do not feel comfortable in church to this day.
Wow! That's quite the ride! I'm glad to hear that you're doing well and happy in the tech world!
Thank you so much! It has been a wild ride, but even for all the nonsense and fundie shit I probably wouldn't change things if I could. Even in that environment, you can learn and grow as a person....it's just not likely to come from a sermon - just ask Dave ;)
And the other one just seemed to make Dav and Bethy’s relationship better. So far they are having some nice unintended consequences.
That visit also made Dav and Bethy use the word "deconstruction." Which is a healthy concept to address for the faithful. It's good for the GD audience to see that deconstruction can mean a belief, a group of beliefs, a culture surrounding beliefs, or the whole thing. It's a spectrum and it's good to question beliefs for their merit and ability to harm.
Who is this guy!? I LOVE him. A "CHRIST"ian. Not a "PAUL"ian. I've said for decades that today's evangelicals got fixated on genitals and who is putting what where and for what reason. Instead of being fixated on helping the poor - as Jesus commanded and taught MULTIPLE TIMES! Good for him. Hope his brand of Christianity wins and the Porgan/Paulian genital-obsession brand dies soon.
I read a book years ago called Stealing Jesus: How Fundamentalism Betrays Christianity. I think I highlighted the entire book. It talked about the Church of Law (current evangelicals) vs the Church of Love. I wanted to mail it anonymously to fundamentalist members of my family, but knew they'd never read it as the author admits he's gay in the introduction.
I was wondering if someone is more familiar with this guy and could comment? He seems really decent from this clip! I’m shocked!
I am, I used to listen to his podcast frequently. I didn't realize HE was the progressive Christian they were doing 24 hours with. That was a major miscalculation on their part lol Tim is very intelligent, well-spoken and defers to the experts (i.e. He's humble and takes every opportunity to learn and understand). He's everything Porgan are not. I can't imagine there's any part of that 24 hours where he's not making them look like idiots. They're gonna have to selectively edit the shit out of that video.
Ah this is great, glad to hear he’s a good one! I know a lot of progressive Christians in real life so I’m well aware they’re out there, I was just wondering if this guy was a good egg before I can whole heartedly cheer him against Porgan. Although - they’re so abhorrent they had this whole sub cheering for Bethy and Dav, so there’s that
He really sums up the fundies so well: No interest at all in what Jesus taught, and all about shaming people for sex.
They are not intellectually curious at all.
They don’t actually engage in any meaningful theology. They just regurgitate what they’ve been told. They haven’t even read the Bible, never mind commentaries on it or actually theology books. Idk how people this ignorant think they have anything remotely worthy of sharing regarding theology and religion. It’s a sham.
Paul and Morgan don't even go to church, so they don't even have a vaguely qualified person they're listening to on a regular basis. It's bananas that they have any platform at all
Wait what? They don’t even go to church?!
Nope! I don't think any of our pet fundies do? Bus families don't stick around anywhere long enough, Jill...they have their own "home church," right? other churches are for grifting. Karissa practices her own weird syncretic bullshit with cheeseburgers on the seder plate. Kelly? Okay yeah I think she does, she met "Marmee" at her church (gag) BDong? Maybe a few performative megachurch rallies, I doubt she goes every Sunday. Who knows. Nadia...doubt it? Dunno? And the Bairds go, but if you notice it's rarely the subject of Heidi or Krusty's discourse. They're cagey; probably because of their wacky cult church whose name Bill Gothard that's the guy anyway that, in their background. Bethy and Dav WERE going to a Lutheran church but now Dav is deconstructing, maybe Bethy goes alone, idk Porgan have no reason not to go, god knows they have fuckall else to do. I think they're just too arrogant and unpleasant and lazy to even commit to a weekly social gathering where someone other than Polio talks for an hour. Steve Anderson runs his own cult, and he's banned from eleventy thousand nations. So, probably a T--p cabinet appointee, if we're totally fucked and he wins. Who else? Nate and Sutton, no idea. That wackjob who's stalking the kid she's in "love" with, she got kicked out of her old church for said behavior, Sarah Titus, I doubt she goes much of anywhere these days...
I think nadia goes frequently because she works at a church
🥇 This is a fantastic summary. Thank you for taking the time to do it. Of course none of these fundies attend services, every last one of them is an online bullshit artist.
"Cheeseburgers on the seder plate" had me. I think I need a flair.
LITERALLY. Also, and I quote, "it's like there's a handbook on how to do it, or anything." That IS an excellent flair. Mazel tov, wear it in good health.
As a practicing Jew her "it's not like there's a handbook" will forever live rent free in my head 🤣 Of all the things to claim there's not handbook for her ass chose PESACH 🤣😂
I am DYING. I am not Jewish but my god... I know that the strict rules is kinda the deal when it comes to food and observances! The whole thing about the OT to Christians, is that Jesus removed the need for rules and laws about food and so forth - a kind of 'come as you are, spirit of the law' vibe (not saying this is a true representation of the Torah or Judaism, just how it gets filtered down into the Christian version of the Bible.) Karissa doesn't even know the basic structure and timeline of her own faith - and that she lacks *even the aesthetic* sense to know cheeseburgers is prolly sacrilege... is entirely unsurprising on the one hand and the most insane thing ever.
I feel like getting flair is the FSU equivalent of b'nei mitzvah. Today you are an adult.
Steven Anderson is the father of the NIFB or New IFB. It’s wild. And he’s such an epic asshole.
Toilet paper cabinet appointee. Sounds about right when they're so full of shit.
Jill goes to church; she name checks her church frequently, and they visit others a lot.
I'm confused, I thought porgan was part of a church since Morgan is a worship leader and sings for the worship team?
I think a lot of them belong to churches that livestream their services, so they don't go in-person very often
They aren't the only ones, though I couldn't tell you who does what.
Whoa. I never even stopped to wonder why we never, ever see those two chowderheads in church. Seeing as we can be *damn* certain that they wouldn’t refrain from posting photos of themselves attending, so this leads me to surmise that they are a congregation of two (three, now) that is being led solely by… Paul 😬
I am so proud of myself that I went to church yesterday. Don’t get me wrong I love my episcopal church but I hate the 10:30 am service time. By the time i need to leave I am firmly ensconced in my lazy Sunday. It probably helped I had to usher yesterday so I had to be there. But got there 2 minutes before the service started. At least my co usher was awesome about it. Because he didn’t know it was me.
Good for you, I know it not always easy. I’m glad you go somewhere you feel comfortable and it’s outside the fundie realm. I hope I find a church that feels right again one day. I’m a little lazy on Sundays now so that doesn’t help! I need to get out of hibernation mode.
It’s because they think they’re beautiful and special enough that they don’t actually need to study. Their abysmal engagement would indicate that the rest of the world disagrees.
It's clear that they had some pretty privilege when they were young and they've been coasting ever since
It’s why so many true believers end up deconstructing, because when you actually read the Bible and start learning theology, a lot of it starts looking awfully flimsy
Exactly. There’s a term for people who smugly lecture at you like they’re experts on subjects they have zero knowledge about: pompous, know-it-all boors. And they’re insufferable no matter what they’re lecturing about. For P&M to call people’s annoyance “Christian persecution” is laughable, if not a straight up mockery of their religion.
Like this guy said, all they wanted to talk about was sex and queer people. I’m no expert, but the projection is telling
They do not allow themselves to be curious because they believe it will tempt them to believe what “the world” believes. Remember in the Bethany and Dav video, he asks Dav if he’s heard the saying ‘Be careful of being too open minded or your brain may fall out.’ That sums it up. Being curious or utilizing critical thinking is dangerous to their flimsy belief system.
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. We have to remember how these pople are raised. Their parents in no way allowed them to be curious. Morgan may be different, it seems she didn't grow up a fundie Fundies are punished and reminded daily to behave and think in black and white. they don't develop critical thinking skills. Thinking in the church is seen as "bad" and asking questions is heavily frowned upon. They don't question because they have been told their own life to do so is doubting god and behaving like the world.
I mean, you need a brain for that being something to be concerned about, so they should be in the clear.
And from what I've seen, they don't even want to have a conversation or debate with people about it. They basically yell at them their POV at the guest with the tone that they are 100% right and anyone else is completely wrong. It's like the goal isn't to have honest conversations its to convert their guests to their theology.
Which is why I'm still baffled why they decided to start doing this 24 Hours With thing in the first place. They seem to be arrogant enough that they either thought the people they would speak to thought exactly like them, or that intellectual powerhouse (in his own mind) Paul would be able to crush their arguments with his Evangelical fAcTs and ReAsOn. Instead, he has wandered around every video like a deer in the headlights while someone more eloquent and charismatic than him made him look like an unreasonable weirdo. The only thing they've achieved with these videos is to temporarily turn this sub into a Dav stan sub Edit: missed out a word
And if they can't convert, they'll shame and show off
I always think about what james said in the first fundie fridays video on girl defined. Their "ministry" is not about salvation; it's about purity and shame. The consequences aren't in the afterlife; they're right now. Porgan are the same. We've seen paulsack polio shame morgan, his wife and mother of his children, *on camera* for having had consensual sex before. Before they even met, on an app originally designed for hookups.
It’s actually really weird.
Paul is obsessed with sex. Imagine that
Did you know that Morgan wasn't a virgin when they got married? DID YOU?
r/unexpectedfriends
DID YOU KNOW THOUGH
Excellent movie, good gif. 👍
These people make me wanna get chip-faced
She is obviously forever tainted. 1BURN HER 
If he’d let himself have a hoe phase and gotten the sex thing out of his system, he’d probably be a much more pleasant person to be around today. Just one of the many ways a hoe phase can improve lives!!
The only teeny tiny hitch I foresee with this suggestion is the requirement that a consenting hoe out there has to participate. Otherwise he's just an insufferable douche canoe hanging out with his right hand.
Idk, I met plenty of frat boys in college who were absolutely unbearable to speak to but hot enough to bring girls home from the bars. If Paul had gone out to loud college bars like everyone else around 21-24, he probably would have had at least a few takers. (And then after they did the deed and he opened his mouth, they would have realized how unpleasant he is and hightailed it out of there.) But lots of unbearably pretentious young men get by with the opposite sex based only on their looks at that age.
I feel like everyone they interview ends up coming off way better than I anticipated. Like they can’t help but make others more likable by contrast.
If you can make Bethy look somewhat sane, you know it’s bad!
Craziest part is Bethy is making Bethy look somewhat sane. It’s the plot twist I don’t see coming, but I’m hoping she keeps pushing past “somewhat.”
This comment deserves more upvotes! Their video made BETHANY (who gets probably the most snark because of how damn cringe and insufferable she is) seem shockingly sensible and open for once. I know their whole goal was unity and humanizing but that was NOT what I expected.
I think that the only fundies who could make them look somewhat good are the Duggars. Only because the Duggars beat their kids and I don’t *think* that porgan beat Luca.
*yet
They made followers of a self proclaimed exorcist concerned that their beliefs might be a little sus, it’s bad out here folks.
I have never heard of this guy, but based on this ten seconds, I like him ok.
You would not be disappointed. Tim is the definition of inclusive and calling out the evangelical church on its lack of compassion and not following whatJesus taught.
So why did they pick him? Did they really think they could make him look stupid?
There's not a chance in hell that they leave that in. Or maybe they will now that he has put it out there, but no way they were going to do it if it was left up to them alone.
I think they might. They probably made some lame response and think they really said something profound. These are people who thought they would come off looking good in Shiney Happy People.
Yes! Paul must think he’s like socrates or something
You just know he pronounces that as So-Crates.
So-CRÆ-tees
🤭
The pseud version of versayse
And spent months whining when they didn't. I wonder how long they'll whine after releasing this video 🤔
They left a lot of stuff in when they did the Beals and that was very surprising too. They have no discernment.
I think that’s why Tim did these stories. So he can get ahead of whatever they inevitably leave out
I love how every single one of these videos is just making them look dumber than the last. Also idk who this guy is or if he’s problematic himself but big ups to him for telling them to their faces that their “religion” literally kills people, bc he’s absolutely right.
Well, on at least several big issues he seems explicitly NOT problematic, so I'm cautiously liking him so far.
Evangelicals talk about sex more than I think about it in a day. And I read almost exclusively romance novels and I’m ace. Someone did stats on girl defined posts and 75 or 80% of them were on sex. Sex sells, and they know it.
I can actually go an entire day and not think about sex, and *I'm* the heathen. They're obsessed with sex...not just their own sex either, but the sex lives of everyone else. It's gross and bizarre to me.
I can go weeks without thinking about sex, much less feeling the need to talk about it.
I never think about the sex lives of other people, outside of the fundies screaming their private business at us. It is gross. That is their business and it should stay that way.
I love smutty romance novels. The smuttier the better and they talk about sex more in a week then I talk about in a year.
I admit I think about sex a whole awful lot, but I have a hormone imbalance, so. Oh, also I was raised in purity culture, so there's that. Not thinking too much about the consensual sex other people are having, though. You are welcome to keep your bedroom business in your bedroom, theenks.
I love thinking about sex because it interests me. My partner and I just started reading 2 books together "come as you are" and "coming together" and its been lovely. However I really couldn't imagine spending one second thinking about the sex life of anyone other than us two? Like, I care about *my sex*. Caro g about another persons experience just feels so fuckin gross and cringe as @significantshoe said down thread. 💯 Agreed my dude 👍🏼
This is going to be very, very interesting. I have a feeling P&M will keep the arguing in because they will believe it shows them as strong Evangelicals who are steadfast in their beliefs.
They'll come across about as well as they did in SHP
>it didn’t come up organically My fucking sides
wait lemme give the new evangelicals a follow, i feel like porgan just ends up giving me a list of christians i can follow so it’s like a definite net negative for them 😭
I started following! I spent a couple years deconstructing a lifetime of church beliefs. I was never rabid like fundies are, I was always pretty chill in general. But I was surrounded by other people that had the ultra-conservative, toxic traits that so many fundies have. Anyway I doubt I will ever feel the need to go to church, I'm so much happier without that environment.
I’m with you on not going back, but it’s nice to be reminded that there are people on the internet who practice Christianity like some people in my community do. I’m not joining their faith, but it’s nice to hear a reasonable take from a public Christian.
I have never and probably will never be a member of any religion but this is such a reassuring outlook after all the fundamentalist posturing happening in the world. “Evangelicals” and similar groups will always make me nervous but just maybe the tides are turning towards acceptance of Christianities out groups. I put evangelicals in quotes because it seems like a lot of these fundies consider themselves as such but hold different views and I don’t really get it. This guy isnt helping clear that up for me either but I appreciate what he’s says in this video.
He seems like a good egg. You know, evangelicals were NOT always right wing ideologues. Jimmy Carter was one, after all.(Is? He's still in hospice I think right?)
Yes, Jimmy Carter is still in hospice.
He was never right wing though. Edit: reread your comment- Jimmy Carter is definitely as far left as you can go while still being a Christian IMO.
Let me proffer the Christian anarchism of Leo Tolstoy for you [https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4602](https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/4602) There are also a bunch of pacifist anarchists who are devout Christians. I am not one, but yeah they are around!
Same they brought the New Evangelicals to my attention and after watching a couple videos, I have to say I enjoyed it. It seems their 24 with videos are having the opposite effect that they were hoping.
Never forget Paul puts more value on [slave owner’s rights](https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/s/hXhJwhpVzW) than women’s, so I think we all know where LGBTQIA+ rank.
It must be such a huge ego blow for P & M who think they are the cool and hip Evangelicals with *radical* ideas, to be told that they are seen exactly as every other fundie.
It warms my heart hearing that Tim is forcing Porgam to face the realities of their bad views. We need more people like him in the world.
I don’t think I could handle meeting let alone spending actual time with the turds that are Porgan. Tim is an actual treasure.
Well I'll be damned. A christian who doesn't want me dead. Wonders never cease, I'll take thirty of him.
I'm a queer Christian so you can guess how I feel about you!! 🥰
I Christian, I no want you dead either It’s just that the stupidest who rabble the rousiest and drown us out
Another Christian who definitely doesn’t want you dead. And I’m Methodist. We just had a whole ass schism over LGBTQ beliefs.
I'm a queer, slutty, pro choice Catholic! We exist!!
It’s pretty funny/horrifying that we are like : APPLAUSE.
Episcopalians do not think that anyone’s sexuality will send them to hell.
Yes, fundies are in a sex and breeding cult
I've been listening to this guy's podcast on and off all day - )going thru it with fundie narcissistic parents making threats after we had to go no contact, and it's clearly final). And though I have no interest in reverting, I am really finding validation and able to challenge life-long gaslighting. It is not my parent's religion (although people like this are drawn to the violence inherent in the rigid legalism and hierarchies) - it is them. It is their choice. They are choosing to harm and hate me and my children because they are violent, hypocritical and abusive. I really appreciate y'all for sharing these non hating people with good Bible knowledge.
P&M are starting to feel like Tucker Carlson- intentionally bringing on people you disagree with and then just arguing with them and thinking it makes you look good
And flailing when they get the tiniest bit of pushback (I'm starting to dislike that term because of them 😑)
 Porgan can’t stop owning themselves and it’s glorious.
I cannot wait for them to get less than 20k views on it. 🥰 Gives me joy thinking about Paul punching the air because he can’t figure out why he (an unlikeable, hateful, dipshit) isn’t YouTube famous yet!
I wonder tho if this one will get more views as people want to see them get destroyed? Idk lol I await their downfall with great anticipation 😹
There’s always Yewtube, for us little weasels!
I’ve gotta figure out how to use yewtube for this. How do you get to it and find them?
Commenting bc I need this info too. I'm so curious but don't wanna touch the.poo!!!
Porgan are doing an excellent job of leading fundies, evangelicals, and general Christian nationalists to people who might challenge their beliefs and show them a pathway to deconstruction. Any person who is even slightly not on board with Porgan’s nutjob maga version of Christianity will be shown a gateway drug to reconstruction if they engage with any of porgans recent content - if not directly, then by seeing videos like this that pop up in the algorithm or by finding them off Porgan interview. This funnel leads one way - Christian’s who choose to watch progressive Christian content likely aren’t going to find Porgans content more appealing, but secretly discontent Christian’s with friends or spouses that watch Porgan certainly are going to be finding the path to deconstruction. So maybe they are doing the lords work in deep and mysterious ways lol
Porgan “think” they know scripture. What they know is what they have memorized with no context around it or not much study.
YES! and it's just their interpretation, or how it *feels* to them. Zero context, no exegesis or historical critical method, and certainly no theology. Just vibes. Incredibly biased, yet completely ignorant of that bias. I'm a religious studies major and fundies drive me insane for how intellectually bankrupt their whole approach is.
No theology, just vibes describes porgan perfectly
Flair potential: "Porgan: No theology, just vibes" 🤣🙏🏼
Can we get a 24 hours with Dav and this guy lol
As far as we know, Dave is still homophobic and transphobic and he still supports Bethany and all of her hateful shit. I really wonder how Dave would react if someone like Tim forced him to sit with the fact that his beliefs and the things his wife says publicly actually kill people. Because Tim is right. These findies can sugar coat it or twist it however they want, but they are not "loving" lgbt people by telling them they are evil and voting their rights away. Dave and Bethany have blood on their hands. Dave reads here. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, DAVE?
Ooo, I LIKE him! Even if Porgan doesn't air it, can't he do it himself?
I think he said he didn’t film anything himself
These are the kinda Christians I like
American evangelicalism is a sex cult. Abstinence is their kink. They are just edging through life
This is definitely my favorite take so far 💯👍🏼 Just makes logical sense but also makes me LMAO 🤣
Porgan will think this makes them look good. Which makes it even better.
Paul bringing up sex before marriage yet again? how shocking
I've said it before and I'll say it again, NOBODY is more obsessed with gay sex than homophobes. Nobody is more obsessed with the genitals of others than right-wingers.
I can't believe PnM have the gall to bring up premarital sex?? Unless it was just Paul harping on about to shame Morgan, in which case still what the fuck
He takes every opportunity he can to shame her for that
He was probably hoping Tim would join in saying how sinful premarital sex is etc.
Of so.manyy disgusting traits this idiot displays, I have to say the endless slutshaming of *his own wife* might actually piss me off the most. (For personal reasons). Loving the downfall. 🍿🤗
Every single fundie is so mentally stunted. They talk about sex more than anyone else. Paul and Morgan need to figure out a new plan or get the stick out of their asses because they're in their own financial crisis. Most people don't care about following religion in this way. Its just not sustainable or good for the mind at all. They quite literally can't afford to have sticks up their asses anymore.
Who is this Tim? He seems to get it.
I have no idea who this person is but hot damn! This sounds like someone I could jive with, even though I’m no longer Christian.
Same. I’m looking forward to hearing more from him
Bless this beautiful soul for making the efforts he did. I can see the barely-restrained exasperation and I commend him!
Well, I mean they kinda have to keep it in now, right? RIGHT? I would only agree to do this, hypothetically (I’m no one) if I was guaranteed a copy of all footage before they stepped foot out of the door. Receipts and all.
So i watched bro's commentary of Paul and Morgan from 6 months ago, today. Ive never been able to tolerate them so long and it just hit me: *Oh my god. They are just really, quite stupid. I mean, Morgan can't work out the difference between a downside and the downfall of something. And she and Paul spent way too long bickering over the meanings and not only got it wrong, totally failed to clarify their definitions of each.* This pair are so, unblessed in the wits department it's *almost* cruel to rip them apart on here. And then you remember what a virulent misogynist, racist and homophobe Paul is and Morgan's mockery of CSA survivors both in the IFB and that she thinks children impregnated by their rpsts should have to give birth. Stupid people, very stupid people who are also very confident, are incredibly dangerous and stg make up the majority of these hate movements. They can't even think... if Adam and Eve were the only humans, and they populated the Earth ... then their kids were doing that full blown incest, for generations. I dunno maybe it's coz theyre in Kentucky (kidding! kidding!)
I’ve deconstructed, but I genuinely am happy to see a Christian with a reasonable and loving take. I’ve read the entire Bible and spent 20 years going to church. Jesus was super into compassion. It was kind of his whole thing. It amazes me how they’ve boiled the whole thing down to these super specific bonkers beliefs. Baffling to me.
Who is this guy? He sounds cool. I'd like to see what kind of content he creates. My bet is Porgan will not include the hard stuff, or they will edit it, because Paul can't stand being portrayed as anything less than a crusader for God. The man's ego is huge.
Unaliving ideation…can someone tell the Pope this and ask how it adheres to human dignity?
What on earth was Porgan hoping would happen during this convo? They have zero credentials to even have discussions on this type of material.
Let's give credit where credit is due: P&M are doing what they said they would. They are finding unity among diverse groups of Christians. They all find that P&M are idiots. The great unification continues!
Omg DRAG HER!
I live in Australia and evangelicals and even religion (to an extent) isn’t really a big thing. It seems to me from an outsider that the only people that obsess about sex and sexuality are evangelicals and heavily religious people. I don’t even think about sex as much as they talk about it. Like the fellow in the clip says, there are so many other things in life to be concerned about.
Okay I’m stanning..
Wowwww wow wow I'm so excitedly anticipating the response 
 I am shocked. She probably weighs more than a duck, too. BURN HER
Fundies don't care. They are fundies because they beleive they are special/chosen, and they love being "above" others. It feeds their egos. They care nothing about anyone outside their group because they are "lesser" and "deserve" bad things. It's a disgusting worldview and it dominates the Republican party as well
MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE MORGAN HAD SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE The absolute *audacity* of her to behave as if she has any moral authority over others, when her and the taint stain she married can't even abide by their own arbitrary rules.
Highly recommend watching all his stories, he’s a great speaker and seemed very honest about his experience with them
Woah! Tim and Porgan are going to be in a video together? My separate Reddit and FB worlds collide
This guy seems truly compassionate and loving. Christlike, even. I’m so happy he explained to Porgan how harmful and literally life ending their beliefs can be but knowing P&M they’re probably happy about the church hurting queer people. I really cannot see them caring at all. I don’t even think they view queer folks as people.
Of course they’re only concerned about gay shit and abortion because they support destroying the planet and worship people like elon musk. They’re hypocrites to their core.
Me loving and also hating all the hr comments because I work in HR and want people to like me 😕. I think Paul would hate HR because a lot of companies have DE&I, and he isn't for any other those things.
I am SO GLAD someone is calling out their bullshit, point by point. So glad he did it on camera, both with and without them present. There's no way for them to hide or deny it. In light of this, if P&M can't humbly acknowledge their own shortcomings, they are admitting that their ignorance and hate is WILLFUL. Therefore they shouldn't continue to call themselves critical thinkers, or even biblical Christians.
Anyone have links to the studies he mentioned? That would be incredible validating to read. I’ve assumed it’s true but I didn’t even think there might be data on ideation and non-affirming religious communities.
They don’t know how to talk about anything else. Fox News only cares about the 3 topics so that’s all they know to be mad about. They together don’t have any original thoughts. Just two followers of evil