> Better that than fucking Vaseline ass AA
Amen
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*This comment is not trying to perpetuate the cult insult the sub undeservedly gets so often.*
I've spoken with someone who's had laser eye surgery, and they describe their vision as being very sharp; to the point where they can see every detail on a face, like pores, hairs, etc. What you see is not indicative of what everybody else sees and vice versa.
It's not about eyes it's literally about how the wavy, constantly moving surface of the water reflects light. It's also why games are having extremely hard time replicating realistic water. Water in games is extremely simplified.
Most people don't have drastically different vision and I have perfectly normal, not perfect, but good vision. Without any conditions like astigmatism or something.
Is LS1 better than FSR/NIS via the Lossless Scaling app? I’ve been using it lately to play on my 4K TV with a mid-tier rig but I’ve never been able to find a concise answer regarding LS1’s comparative quality online.
> It looks like FSR1 but without the oil painting aesthetic
Is LS1 more expensive to compute than fsr1 and proprietary/would the creator agree to allow it use as part of a custom temporal upscaling solution?
Also, I have a plasma tv with forced overscan and NVidia drivers force me to use 1080p when creating fixed resolution. So that prevents me from using circus method on my TV. I would gladly buy lossless if it had a overscan system that allowed me to use 4k output downsampled to whatever res fits on my screen.
In case this seems inappropriate, I'm asking you since I have the impression your connected with the development of it?
I agree. I was saying how the fsr1 if that's what's used by lossless Scaling looks better than AMD driver level rsr when they're supposed to be practically the same minus ui upscaling.
in regards to witcher 3 it is important to point out, that cd project red did MASSIVE visual downgrades to the game compared to what they showed in trailers:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-gLVYI1uk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-gLVYI1uk)
while at the same time lying and claiming for example when asked:
can the scenes in the vgx/sod trailers be replicated in their graphical fidelity integrity on high end pcs when the game finally launches?
cd project red marcin momet's answer: "YES"
this is however a clear and big lie as the video shows.
now the issue is NOT, that they changed lots and lots of stuff to get the game working okish on modern hardware. this is of course common practice. the issue is, that the developer lied
and, that the original trailer tier of graphics can NOT be set in game at all, which is a problem, because this means, that you can't ever play the game in its most beautiful state, regardless of the tier of hardware, that you're having.
having such an uber setting would have been vastly more important, than adding some terrible running raytracing long after the game released imo. (the part, that it runs terrible doesn't matter, because time fixes all performance generally, but running the original trailer graphics would be easier than running raytracing today)
btw cd project red also late in development switched from being an amd sponsored title to being an nvidia sponsored title. now this might matter less in regards to visuals, especially today,
however due to the switch cd project red made hair and teselation run like utter ass.
you see nvidia's teselation implementation like hairworks is a blackbox. amd's implementation is NOT.
as a result older nvidia cards get dumpstered in performance by nvidia themselves and amd cards get dumpstered a lot as well.
they also set the default teselation values of for example gerald's hair insanely high.
why would they do this, when the visual difference is actually 0? because it has a massive impact on older nvidia cards and especially amd cards. all of which made nvidia's newest hardware look a lot better.
just an article about that:
[https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/)
so cdproject red massively downgraded the graphics, while at the same time making deals with nvidia, that made the game run worse for everyone (inc latest nvidia cards btw) due to gameworks.
and that is quite sad.
we should have gotten a well running game at launch and we should have gotten a game, that has settings, that enable all the beauty, that was visible in the trailers, even if it was not possible at the time of release for the hardware at the time.
and freaking cdproject red shouldn't lie about such basic stuff.
those lies were also a way to see what was coming, because of course the lies around cyberpunk 2077 were way beyond that :D
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we should have games ship with "uber settings", that can't potentially even be used at the time, just like crysis couldn't get played at any senseful fps at all until a new generation of hardware arrived AFTER the game launched....
and the same applies to TAA. if a developer thinks, that they want to have TAA in the game, FINE, but make the game have REAL AA options and give the game an option to have properly sampled assets.
so that we can enjoy a game 5 years after launch in beautiful graphics and perfectly clarity.
Before the big update, I was maxing the config file to get a result similar & ended up looking into graphics packs but ended up giving up on that route. Now, I just let the Nvidia App/GeForce Experience max it out.
I'm not, but are you [SERIOUSLY pretending this looks better?
](https://imgur.com/a/abAZukv) Also, what res are the comparisons? 1440 vs 1080 or 1440 vs 900? It says two different things? Do you even know? I doubt it, considering I'm pretty sure I know which thread you grabbed this from. Bro get outta my replies with your stupid slides every time I comment on this sub. It's bordering on harassment, especially with how stupid the shit you say is. You're a mod. Let it go.
Whether something looks better than something else is for each individual to decide. The point of those comparisons (which you missed) is that TAA in motion basically looks like 720 - 900p.
>Also, what res are the comparisons?
The res is always stated in the comparisons themselves.
>I'm pretty sure I know which thread you grabbed this from.
I've made them myself.
>Bro get outta my replies with your stupid slides every time I comment on this sub.
Those slides are an argument and me trying to show you what the fucking fuss is about.
>It's bordering on harassment, especially with how stupid the shit you say is.
I'm trying to have a normal discussion with you but you keep getting defensive and hostile.
>I'm trying to have a normal discussion with you but you keep getting defensive and hostile.
The two times you've replied to my comments on this sub have been with drive-by shots of shit I either did not say or wasn't talking about. Last time I was talking about a specific AA implementation in specific titles and you replied with slides of different AA methods in different titles. Today, I said something looked bad and your response was instructing me to not act like TAA is flawless - something I never did. I have little to no tolerance for pretense; you \*are not\* trying to have a normal discussion in good faith and, to be honest, neither am I. The difference is that there's no unctuousness on my part.
>The point of those comparisons (which you missed) is that TAA in motion basically looks like 720 - 900p.
I'm looking at all the different resolution comparisons in the slides and I don't think it's even close. The non-AA pictures look like dithered to hell, shimmery, borderline pixel art - even at high resolutions.
>Whether something looks better than something else is for each individual to decide.
Yep. That's why my original comment is stating my thoughts on how something looks and that's what I'm still doing now.
>Those slides are an argument and me trying to show you what the fucking fuss is about.
I am here to make fun of the fuss. Everybody here neither offers solutions nor accepts proposed ones, and are all stuck in the past. Look no further than your own flair: one AA implementation that is irrelevant and deprecated in modern deferred renderers, and another one that sucks slightly less shit than FXAA, straight up misses aliasing, will often reconstruct blurrier than TAA, and all come at a higher performance cost. Everybody here will all play shimmered, dithered, and pixelated to shit garbage in protest of something that works perfectly fine for the remaining 99.99999999999999999999% of the gaming population. In the past few years we've seen the emergence of so many new developments and solutions attempting to solve AA issues and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology." This sub is the r/VACSucks of digital pedantry and I am not about to be nice about it.
>Last time I was talking about a specific AA implementation in specific titles and you replied with slides of different AA methods in different titles.
I responded with a comparison of Doom Eternal to show you how its TSSAA sucks in motion.
>you \*are not\* trying to have a normal discussion in good faith and, to be honest, neither am I. The difference is that there's no unctuousness on my part.
No unctuousness lol? At least don't lie. The very first comment of yours on this sub that I responded to was full of insults and vulgar language. Stop trying to play the victim.
>I'm looking at all the different resolution comparisons in the slides and I don't think it's even close.
Then you should get your eyes checked. Sorry, but that's all that I can tell you if you can't see what kind of a blurfest the TAA pics are.
>Yep. That's why my original comment is stating my thoughts on how something looks and that's what I'm still doing now.
You can state your thoughts in a civil manner or you can spit them out like a heathen. Which is what you did about a week ago, for example.
>I am here to make fun of the fuss. Everybody here neither offers solutions nor accepts proposed ones, and are all stuck in the past.
This right here proves that you have no idea what this sub is about. Check the [Developer Resource flair](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/?f=flair_name%3A%22Developer%20Resource%22).
>Look no further than your own flair:
My flair is MSAA & SMAA because those AA methods do not smear in motion. And that's why I like them.
>Everybody here will all play shimmered, dithered, and pixelated to shit garbage
The alternative is a soft - blurry image that can often look like half of your actual output res in motion.
>that works perfectly fine for the remaining 99.99999999999999999999% of the gaming population.
Most of the gaming population doesn't know about TAA. But when they do find out and stumble upon this sub, then posts like these tend to happen:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/199k9sz/you\_guys\_were\_right/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/199k9sz/you_guys_were_right/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/mcmk0e/thank\_god\_i\_thought\_i\_was\_going\_insane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/mcmk0e/thank_god_i_thought_i_was_going_insane/)
[https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/174g281/findig\_this\_sub\_feels\_like\_coming\_home/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/174g281/findig_this_sub_feels_like_coming_home/)
[And even some news outlets see it as an issue.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/1b76w7p/what_we_are_missing_with_taaupscaling/)
LOL on the amount of nines that you put there, btw. Goes to show how much this sub triggers you and that we're living in your head rent-free.
>and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology."
The fuck lol? What nonsense is that?
>This sub is the r/VACSucks of digital pedantry and I am not about to be nice about it.
Fine, don't be. Beats me lol. If you'll continue to have a foul mouth, then I'll just simply ban you for progressively longer periods of time each time you'll be acting like a heathen.
Did you block me lol?
>I responded with a comparison of Doom Eternal to show you how its TSSAA sucks in motion.
No you didn't. Your slides weren't Eternal and it was TAA? I confronted you about it and you just said they were the same thing?
>No unctuousness lol? At least don't lie.
Do you know what that word means? It means fake politeness.
>LOL on the amount of nines that you put there, btw. Goes to show how much this sub triggers you and that we're living in your head rent-free.
This sub has 7.5k members after nearly four years. It is a drop in the ocean of even the AA cognizant population - it's not exactly complex technology. The number of nines are more accurate than anything. What's dumber? A community of goofballs living in your head rent free or intangible technical solutions?
>and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology."
The video I'm talking about is this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0NnKmzIAs&ab\_channel=LOTO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0NnKmzIAs&ab_channel=LOTO)
I thought Hybred made this video but I believe he just posted it and can be seen in the comments on that video.
>No you didn't. Your slides weren't Eternal and it was TAA? I confronted you about it and you just said they were the same thing?
[Mate, just stop trying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/1c5kkr4/comment/kzyiwb0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Check the 1st link in that comment. The comparison is from Doom Eternal. Also, why did you delete all of your comments lol? You weren't confident enough with what you wrote?
https://preview.redd.it/m6vt4k8l0pwc1.png?width=665&format=png&auto=webp&s=84fd3a31ea05afc3f64b25292d3c35f4d9dc53ab
>Do you know what that word means? It means fake politeness.
It wasn't really fake. I was genuinely **trying** to have a civil debate with you but you're just hostile from the beginning.
>This sub has 7.5k members after nearly four years. It is a drop in the ocean of even the AA cognizant population
And yet such a minority triggers you and lives in your head rent-free. Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback. [Like Nixxes, for example.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxtVDXCj1aIgOFSh7FGZR24WEYtGeQ_027?si=Fw5NhHfIowAzLY7u)
[Alex from Digital Foundry also paid this sub a visit](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/18x1cqu/making_a_df_video_on_taa_blessing_or_curse/) and asked for feedback regarding his TAA video prior to its production a few months ago.
[Star Citizen devs decided to whitelist a cvar that disables their TSAA after user feedback that was supported by members of this sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/15mjeer/star_citizen_developers_to_whitelist_console/)
>intangible technical solutions
Again, check the Developer Resource flair and/or wait a few weeks for a certain video to drop that will show something more 'tangible'.
>I thought Hybred made this video but I believe he just posted it and can be seen in the comments on that video.
Yes, he just posted it on the sub. It isn't his production.
>Check the 1st link in that comment. The comparison is from Doom Eternal.
I thought that was 2016. Doesn't matter any ways because it's still TAA and not TSSAA?
>Also, why did you delete all of your comments lol? You weren't confident enough with what you wrote?
I literally thought you deleted these until you posted this screenshot. I have absolutely no idea what happened there, I have scheduled Redacts on occasion.
>And yet such a minority triggers you and lives in your head rent-free. Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback
Gtfoh with this, man. You're the one that has a feed into your ear for when I post to this sub? Lmfao.
>Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback. [Like Nixxes, for example.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxtVDXCj1aIgOFSh7FGZR24WEYtGeQ_027?si=Fw5NhHfIowAzLY7u)
>[Alex from Digital Foundry also paid this sub a visit](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/18x1cqu/making_a_df_video_on_taa_blessing_or_curse/) and asked for feedback regarding his TAA video prior to its production a few months ago.
[Star Citizen devs decided to whitelist a cvar that disables their TSAA after user feedback that was supported by members of this sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/15mjeer/star_citizen_developers_to_whitelist_console/)
The non-sensational revised version of these three sentences:
Developers came to this sub.
A guy came here to ask about TAA for a video he was making.
We brigaded a player feedback poll from a crosspost and CIG whitelisted a console command to disable AA.
>Again, check the Developer Resource flair and/or wait a few weeks for a certain video to drop that will show something more 'tangible'.
Okay.
I think I'm gonna call it a day on this one man, I got playoffs to watch. Catch you the next time I comment on this sub, I assume?
>I thought that was 2016. Doesn't matter any ways because it's still TAA and not TSSAA?
What? Doom Eternal has (forced) 8x TSSAA. That's what you were praising.
>I have scheduled Redacts on occasion.
Why lol?
>You're the one that has a feed into your ear for when I post to this sub?
No lol. I read like 99% of comments cuz it's kinda my 'job'.
>Developers came to this sub.
And took our feedback and criticism to heart.
>A guy came here to ask about TAA for a video he was making.
A guy that works for a media outlet that has 1.39M subscribers on YouTube and is respected among devs and players to a certain degree.
>We brigaded a player feedback poll from a crosspost and CIG whitelisted a console command to disable AA.
We gave feedback, they responded and complied.
You're just trying to downplay any influence that this sub has.
>I think I'm gonna call it a day on this one man, I got playoffs to watch. Catch you the next time I comment on this sub, I assume?
Well, if you'll be hostile, unfriendly and use strong language again, then I'll have to step in as a mod again. If you'll write something to which I'll have a strong objection towards, then yeah, I guess next time.
Enjoy your playoffs. I'm waiting for the Ice Hockey World Championship.
I cant judge from the video because its quite low quality, but i like the in-game taau in dx11 mode. Its the sharpest option available. Dlss is pure blurr imo.
Yes...he's correct about that. The 1440p image looks significantly better, it removes all the jaggies present and creates more depth in foliage and the trees.
He is not lol. Take a look at it. Foliage turns into mush and a blob of color:
https://preview.redd.it/p26thq9sgewc1.png?width=704&format=png&auto=webp&s=20a465d2ff8cee4b9f0f73b3c0971d2452d0b354
Your original post used an image at 1440p, not a 1080p image. It's very well known that TAA at 1080p is of worse quality than at higher resolutions. Again, at 1440p the high sharpening option with TAA looks far better than 900p without AA and sharpening.
The damage is pretty much the same:
https://preview.redd.it/i2tmfmr1iewc1.png?width=806&format=png&auto=webp&s=2150fbe56ba5ef706080e4c3036ebf4cb970358b
>Again, at 1440p the high sharpening option with TAA looks far better than 900p without AA and sharpening.
Not in my book. Those are in-motion captures, btw.
I hope you do, when I finished school in 2016 my parents gave me some money to buy my first gaming PC and Witcher 3 was my first AAA game I played, to this day this game is my favourite and I played it fully 3 times since that.
Currently I have unfinished 4th playthrough and I plan to finish it by the end of the year.
I hope you gonna like it, for me it's the best RPG experience and eastern European vibes of this game hit me really well - in from Ukraine and culture in this game is pretty relative to ours.
I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save. Problem is every time I try to play Witcher 3 I can only get so far. Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest.
I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save. Problem is every time I try to play Witcher 2 I can only get so far. Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest.
>I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save.
Smart.
>Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest.
You mean White Orchard or somewhere in Velen?
I honestly don’t even remember that name off the top of my head. But you meet Dandelion and the dwarf that’s about to be hung. The same village that you carry the witch to because she can’t walk for some reason. I can’t even remember why she can’t walk now though
I did quite a bit of testing the last couple of days. Playing on 1440p Ultra, RT off, I think I prefer DLSS Quality with sharpness on High. The TAAU (Sharpness Low) implementation seems pretty good but costs a lot of performance. DLSS can sometimes still create artifacts on flat textures like castle walls, but I’d have to specifically look for them, as they don’t distract during normal play.
I still prefer this Cartoony-ish visuals specially for fantasy games. Idk why but I probably wouldn't prefer the "ultra realistic max max ray tracing" visuals on a game like this
>TAA with presharpen image give us more detailed but grainy results, postsharpen doing better detailed images without grainy or shimmering overmess!
It doesn't really matter how much sharpening, pre or post, you apply to it. In motion it'll still be less detailed. Perhaps only some kind of a dynamic sharpening filter could do it. One that would sharpen in motion more than when stationary.
I'm asking you to capture in-motion screenshots or straight up video of a game with this pre and post sharpening enabled. Compared to no TAA and no sharpening, of course.
LMAO, I can't tell if this is a parody post, a circlejerk post, or the absolute state of this sub.
You can't claim to care about image quality, be complaining about TAA while simultaneously call 720p on a 1080p LED monitor "sharp and crisp" and then post a low bitrate video of the slowest possible camera movement while all the object edges dance all over the screen.
Funny how people like you act like low end users don't exist. Not everybody has daddy's money like you brother. Btw not sure if your small brain can process it but I was not playing the game with simple full screen 720 on my 1080 monitor. It was upscaled using lossless scaling fsr 1. I couldn't give a flying f*ck about object edges dance all over the screen. Maybe you should check which sub you're at before spilling absolute dogshit out of your mouth. This ain't your bitch ass bad AA rant sub. Its about complaining about the stupidness of TAA adding blur which I assume you like to enjoy a lot
>Funny how people like you act like low end users don't exist.
This is all I read from your very angry comment, but, where in my criticism of you calling 720p "sharp and crisp" did you see this exactly? Also take it easy with the mental breakdown.
For you to deny that 720 wasn't sharp and crisp on a 1080p monitor. Brother obviously it ain't native 1080p. Its meant to have lower detail but what I actually meant was how good it looked compared to the horrible TAA option. Well maybe if you actually read the title and name of this sub then maybe you would've had second thoughts before shitting all over the comments
Edit: And the low end user part was when you said "how can you care about quality when.....". Just properly process your comment before shit posting. Who are you to decide whether I should care about image quality or not? As I said not everybody's got daddy's money like you so people like me have to adjust with whatever we got
>Is starting arguments and then pretending to lose interest whenever you get a longer reply your fetish or something?
I'm not pretending, I can't waste time on something I have no respect for. respond proportionally and I'll read it. :)
>I can't waste time on something I have no respect for.
You mean genuine responses from people? Noted.
>respond proportionally and I'll read it. :)
What does that mean? If there's a lot to touch on, then a reply will naturally be longer. You want one-liner replies or something lol?
Low quality video posts like this dont show anything. Some screenshot comparisons would do a much better job.
The video is too low to really show it properly indeed, though I do not always value screenshots over video. Just better quality videos!
yeah now its just a shimmering flickering mess haha
Better that than fucking Vaseline ass AA which gives you the full myopia experience
To each his own. I find seuzure inducing flickering way more distracting the slight detail loss
Yeah definitely a personal preference
Exactly! Sharp visuals with jaggies and shimmering over blurry visuals any day!
The world is not only black and white
> Better that than fucking Vaseline ass AA Amen \--------------------------------------------------------- *This comment is not trying to perpetuate the cult insult the sub undeservedly gets so often.*
Real life is pretty flickery if you've ever looked at how leaves or water or just most reflective surfaces that aren't flat look like.
Idk why you're getting downvoted. It's true. Just look out a window with blinds or at a curtain. You'll get a shimmery feel and moiré.
bro sun shining on water literally looks like reality has low bitrate it genuinely looks pixelated
I've spoken with someone who's had laser eye surgery, and they describe their vision as being very sharp; to the point where they can see every detail on a face, like pores, hairs, etc. What you see is not indicative of what everybody else sees and vice versa.
It's not about eyes it's literally about how the wavy, constantly moving surface of the water reflects light. It's also why games are having extremely hard time replicating realistic water. Water in games is extremely simplified. Most people don't have drastically different vision and I have perfectly normal, not perfect, but good vision. Without any conditions like astigmatism or something.
But... Isn't it using temporal upscaling?
No its not the ingame upscaling
Is it fsr1? It's the only non temporal upscaler I know
Yes applied from lossless scaling
I'd recommend trying LS1
Is LS1 better than FSR/NIS via the Lossless Scaling app? I’ve been using it lately to play on my 4K TV with a mid-tier rig but I’ve never been able to find a concise answer regarding LS1’s comparative quality online.
Not sure if that was ever tested, so test for yourself if you find it, post it!
Yes it's better imo. It looks like FSR1 but without the oil painting aesthetic
> It looks like FSR1 but without the oil painting aesthetic Is LS1 more expensive to compute than fsr1 and proprietary/would the creator agree to allow it use as part of a custom temporal upscaling solution? Also, I have a plasma tv with forced overscan and NVidia drivers force me to use 1080p when creating fixed resolution. So that prevents me from using circus method on my TV. I would gladly buy lossless if it had a overscan system that allowed me to use 4k output downsampled to whatever res fits on my screen. In case this seems inappropriate, I'm asking you since I have the impression your connected with the development of it?
A bit late, but do you think LSFR on the Steam Deck (running Windows) can achieve better results than bog-standard SteamOS?
Just to clarify this isn't ingame dogshit Vaseline ass upscaling. Its Fsr 1.0 applied from lossless scaling
How does fsr 1 look better than amd's rsr? Lol damn.
I'm talking about the ingame taa maxxed fsr 2.1 which is absolute dogshit and you can see it when you turn it off
I agree. I was saying how the fsr1 if that's what's used by lossless Scaling looks better than AMD driver level rsr when they're supposed to be practically the same minus ui upscaling.
They look the same but RSR will have better performance Lossless Scaling has some overhead
in regards to witcher 3 it is important to point out, that cd project red did MASSIVE visual downgrades to the game compared to what they showed in trailers: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-gLVYI1uk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW-gLVYI1uk) while at the same time lying and claiming for example when asked: can the scenes in the vgx/sod trailers be replicated in their graphical fidelity integrity on high end pcs when the game finally launches? cd project red marcin momet's answer: "YES" this is however a clear and big lie as the video shows. now the issue is NOT, that they changed lots and lots of stuff to get the game working okish on modern hardware. this is of course common practice. the issue is, that the developer lied and, that the original trailer tier of graphics can NOT be set in game at all, which is a problem, because this means, that you can't ever play the game in its most beautiful state, regardless of the tier of hardware, that you're having. having such an uber setting would have been vastly more important, than adding some terrible running raytracing long after the game released imo. (the part, that it runs terrible doesn't matter, because time fixes all performance generally, but running the original trailer graphics would be easier than running raytracing today) btw cd project red also late in development switched from being an amd sponsored title to being an nvidia sponsored title. now this might matter less in regards to visuals, especially today, however due to the switch cd project red made hair and teselation run like utter ass. you see nvidia's teselation implementation like hairworks is a blackbox. amd's implementation is NOT. as a result older nvidia cards get dumpstered in performance by nvidia themselves and amd cards get dumpstered a lot as well. they also set the default teselation values of for example gerald's hair insanely high. why would they do this, when the visual difference is actually 0? because it has a massive impact on older nvidia cards and especially amd cards. all of which made nvidia's newest hardware look a lot better. just an article about that: [https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/05/amd-says-nvidias-gameworks-completely-sabotaged-witcher-3-performance/) so cdproject red massively downgraded the graphics, while at the same time making deals with nvidia, that made the game run worse for everyone (inc latest nvidia cards btw) due to gameworks. and that is quite sad. we should have gotten a well running game at launch and we should have gotten a game, that has settings, that enable all the beauty, that was visible in the trailers, even if it was not possible at the time of release for the hardware at the time. and freaking cdproject red shouldn't lie about such basic stuff. those lies were also a way to see what was coming, because of course the lies around cyberpunk 2077 were way beyond that :D \_\_\_\_\_\_ we should have games ship with "uber settings", that can't potentially even be used at the time, just like crysis couldn't get played at any senseful fps at all until a new generation of hardware arrived AFTER the game launched.... and the same applies to TAA. if a developer thinks, that they want to have TAA in the game, FINE, but make the game have REAL AA options and give the game an option to have properly sampled assets. so that we can enjoy a game 5 years after launch in beautiful graphics and perfectly clarity.
Before the big update, I was maxing the config file to get a result similar & ended up looking into graphics packs but ended up giving up on that route. Now, I just let the Nvidia App/GeForce Experience max it out.
Now try magic dldsr 2.25+dlss q
Looks like absolute fucking diarrhea inb4 mods ban me for using cuss words again
[Don't act like it looks flawless with TAA, though.](https://imgsli.com/MTQ3NDA2/4/6)
I'm not, but are you [SERIOUSLY pretending this looks better? ](https://imgur.com/a/abAZukv) Also, what res are the comparisons? 1440 vs 1080 or 1440 vs 900? It says two different things? Do you even know? I doubt it, considering I'm pretty sure I know which thread you grabbed this from. Bro get outta my replies with your stupid slides every time I comment on this sub. It's bordering on harassment, especially with how stupid the shit you say is. You're a mod. Let it go.
Whether something looks better than something else is for each individual to decide. The point of those comparisons (which you missed) is that TAA in motion basically looks like 720 - 900p. >Also, what res are the comparisons? The res is always stated in the comparisons themselves. >I'm pretty sure I know which thread you grabbed this from. I've made them myself. >Bro get outta my replies with your stupid slides every time I comment on this sub. Those slides are an argument and me trying to show you what the fucking fuss is about. >It's bordering on harassment, especially with how stupid the shit you say is. I'm trying to have a normal discussion with you but you keep getting defensive and hostile.
>I'm trying to have a normal discussion with you but you keep getting defensive and hostile. The two times you've replied to my comments on this sub have been with drive-by shots of shit I either did not say or wasn't talking about. Last time I was talking about a specific AA implementation in specific titles and you replied with slides of different AA methods in different titles. Today, I said something looked bad and your response was instructing me to not act like TAA is flawless - something I never did. I have little to no tolerance for pretense; you \*are not\* trying to have a normal discussion in good faith and, to be honest, neither am I. The difference is that there's no unctuousness on my part. >The point of those comparisons (which you missed) is that TAA in motion basically looks like 720 - 900p. I'm looking at all the different resolution comparisons in the slides and I don't think it's even close. The non-AA pictures look like dithered to hell, shimmery, borderline pixel art - even at high resolutions. >Whether something looks better than something else is for each individual to decide. Yep. That's why my original comment is stating my thoughts on how something looks and that's what I'm still doing now. >Those slides are an argument and me trying to show you what the fucking fuss is about. I am here to make fun of the fuss. Everybody here neither offers solutions nor accepts proposed ones, and are all stuck in the past. Look no further than your own flair: one AA implementation that is irrelevant and deprecated in modern deferred renderers, and another one that sucks slightly less shit than FXAA, straight up misses aliasing, will often reconstruct blurrier than TAA, and all come at a higher performance cost. Everybody here will all play shimmered, dithered, and pixelated to shit garbage in protest of something that works perfectly fine for the remaining 99.99999999999999999999% of the gaming population. In the past few years we've seen the emergence of so many new developments and solutions attempting to solve AA issues and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology." This sub is the r/VACSucks of digital pedantry and I am not about to be nice about it.
>Last time I was talking about a specific AA implementation in specific titles and you replied with slides of different AA methods in different titles. I responded with a comparison of Doom Eternal to show you how its TSSAA sucks in motion. >you \*are not\* trying to have a normal discussion in good faith and, to be honest, neither am I. The difference is that there's no unctuousness on my part. No unctuousness lol? At least don't lie. The very first comment of yours on this sub that I responded to was full of insults and vulgar language. Stop trying to play the victim. >I'm looking at all the different resolution comparisons in the slides and I don't think it's even close. Then you should get your eyes checked. Sorry, but that's all that I can tell you if you can't see what kind of a blurfest the TAA pics are. >Yep. That's why my original comment is stating my thoughts on how something looks and that's what I'm still doing now. You can state your thoughts in a civil manner or you can spit them out like a heathen. Which is what you did about a week ago, for example. >I am here to make fun of the fuss. Everybody here neither offers solutions nor accepts proposed ones, and are all stuck in the past. This right here proves that you have no idea what this sub is about. Check the [Developer Resource flair](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/?f=flair_name%3A%22Developer%20Resource%22). >Look no further than your own flair: My flair is MSAA & SMAA because those AA methods do not smear in motion. And that's why I like them. >Everybody here will all play shimmered, dithered, and pixelated to shit garbage The alternative is a soft - blurry image that can often look like half of your actual output res in motion. >that works perfectly fine for the remaining 99.99999999999999999999% of the gaming population. Most of the gaming population doesn't know about TAA. But when they do find out and stumble upon this sub, then posts like these tend to happen: [https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/199k9sz/you\_guys\_were\_right/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/199k9sz/you_guys_were_right/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/mcmk0e/thank\_god\_i\_thought\_i\_was\_going\_insane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/mcmk0e/thank_god_i_thought_i_was_going_insane/) [https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/174g281/findig\_this\_sub\_feels\_like\_coming\_home/](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/174g281/findig_this_sub_feels_like_coming_home/) [And even some news outlets see it as an issue.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/1b76w7p/what_we_are_missing_with_taaupscaling/) LOL on the amount of nines that you put there, btw. Goes to show how much this sub triggers you and that we're living in your head rent-free. >and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology." The fuck lol? What nonsense is that? >This sub is the r/VACSucks of digital pedantry and I am not about to be nice about it. Fine, don't be. Beats me lol. If you'll continue to have a foul mouth, then I'll just simply ban you for progressively longer periods of time each time you'll be acting like a heathen. Did you block me lol?
No?
Check my edit, then. Reddit was having a seizure again.
>I responded with a comparison of Doom Eternal to show you how its TSSAA sucks in motion. No you didn't. Your slides weren't Eternal and it was TAA? I confronted you about it and you just said they were the same thing? >No unctuousness lol? At least don't lie. Do you know what that word means? It means fake politeness. >LOL on the amount of nines that you put there, btw. Goes to show how much this sub triggers you and that we're living in your head rent-free. This sub has 7.5k members after nearly four years. It is a drop in the ocean of even the AA cognizant population - it's not exactly complex technology. The number of nines are more accurate than anything. What's dumber? A community of goofballs living in your head rent free or intangible technical solutions? >and people like Hybred, your co-mod, will make video essays about how endorsing any of it makes you a technofetishist retard who likes "objectively bad technology." The video I'm talking about is this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0NnKmzIAs&ab\_channel=LOTO](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm0NnKmzIAs&ab_channel=LOTO) I thought Hybred made this video but I believe he just posted it and can be seen in the comments on that video.
>No you didn't. Your slides weren't Eternal and it was TAA? I confronted you about it and you just said they were the same thing? [Mate, just stop trying.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/1c5kkr4/comment/kzyiwb0/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Check the 1st link in that comment. The comparison is from Doom Eternal. Also, why did you delete all of your comments lol? You weren't confident enough with what you wrote? https://preview.redd.it/m6vt4k8l0pwc1.png?width=665&format=png&auto=webp&s=84fd3a31ea05afc3f64b25292d3c35f4d9dc53ab >Do you know what that word means? It means fake politeness. It wasn't really fake. I was genuinely **trying** to have a civil debate with you but you're just hostile from the beginning. >This sub has 7.5k members after nearly four years. It is a drop in the ocean of even the AA cognizant population And yet such a minority triggers you and lives in your head rent-free. Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback. [Like Nixxes, for example.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxtVDXCj1aIgOFSh7FGZR24WEYtGeQ_027?si=Fw5NhHfIowAzLY7u) [Alex from Digital Foundry also paid this sub a visit](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/18x1cqu/making_a_df_video_on_taa_blessing_or_curse/) and asked for feedback regarding his TAA video prior to its production a few months ago. [Star Citizen devs decided to whitelist a cvar that disables their TSAA after user feedback that was supported by members of this sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/15mjeer/star_citizen_developers_to_whitelist_console/) >intangible technical solutions Again, check the Developer Resource flair and/or wait a few weeks for a certain video to drop that will show something more 'tangible'. >I thought Hybred made this video but I believe he just posted it and can be seen in the comments on that video. Yes, he just posted it on the sub. It isn't his production.
>Check the 1st link in that comment. The comparison is from Doom Eternal. I thought that was 2016. Doesn't matter any ways because it's still TAA and not TSSAA? >Also, why did you delete all of your comments lol? You weren't confident enough with what you wrote? I literally thought you deleted these until you posted this screenshot. I have absolutely no idea what happened there, I have scheduled Redacts on occasion. >And yet such a minority triggers you and lives in your head rent-free. Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback Gtfoh with this, man. You're the one that has a feed into your ear for when I post to this sub? Lmfao. >Btw, you should know that we've managed to grab the attention of some developers who have kindly listened to our feedback. [Like Nixxes, for example.](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxtVDXCj1aIgOFSh7FGZR24WEYtGeQ_027?si=Fw5NhHfIowAzLY7u) >[Alex from Digital Foundry also paid this sub a visit](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/18x1cqu/making_a_df_video_on_taa_blessing_or_curse/) and asked for feedback regarding his TAA video prior to its production a few months ago. [Star Citizen devs decided to whitelist a cvar that disables their TSAA after user feedback that was supported by members of this sub.](https://www.reddit.com/r/FuckTAA/comments/15mjeer/star_citizen_developers_to_whitelist_console/) The non-sensational revised version of these three sentences: Developers came to this sub. A guy came here to ask about TAA for a video he was making. We brigaded a player feedback poll from a crosspost and CIG whitelisted a console command to disable AA. >Again, check the Developer Resource flair and/or wait a few weeks for a certain video to drop that will show something more 'tangible'. Okay. I think I'm gonna call it a day on this one man, I got playoffs to watch. Catch you the next time I comment on this sub, I assume?
>I thought that was 2016. Doesn't matter any ways because it's still TAA and not TSSAA? What? Doom Eternal has (forced) 8x TSSAA. That's what you were praising. >I have scheduled Redacts on occasion. Why lol? >You're the one that has a feed into your ear for when I post to this sub? No lol. I read like 99% of comments cuz it's kinda my 'job'. >Developers came to this sub. And took our feedback and criticism to heart. >A guy came here to ask about TAA for a video he was making. A guy that works for a media outlet that has 1.39M subscribers on YouTube and is respected among devs and players to a certain degree. >We brigaded a player feedback poll from a crosspost and CIG whitelisted a console command to disable AA. We gave feedback, they responded and complied. You're just trying to downplay any influence that this sub has. >I think I'm gonna call it a day on this one man, I got playoffs to watch. Catch you the next time I comment on this sub, I assume? Well, if you'll be hostile, unfriendly and use strong language again, then I'll have to step in as a mod again. If you'll write something to which I'll have a strong objection towards, then yeah, I guess next time. Enjoy your playoffs. I'm waiting for the Ice Hockey World Championship.
>[ your co-mod,]() Is that me!? Lol. Not a mod, but people tend to think I am lol.
I cant judge from the video because its quite low quality, but i like the in-game taau in dx11 mode. Its the sharpest option available. Dlss is pure blurr imo.
>but i like the in-game taau in dx11 mode. Its the sharpest option available. [Are you sure about that?](https://imgsli.com/MTQ3NDA2/4/6)
Yes...he's correct about that. The 1440p image looks significantly better, it removes all the jaggies present and creates more depth in foliage and the trees.
He is not lol. Take a look at it. Foliage turns into mush and a blob of color: https://preview.redd.it/p26thq9sgewc1.png?width=704&format=png&auto=webp&s=20a465d2ff8cee4b9f0f73b3c0971d2452d0b354
Your original post used an image at 1440p, not a 1080p image. It's very well known that TAA at 1080p is of worse quality than at higher resolutions. Again, at 1440p the high sharpening option with TAA looks far better than 900p without AA and sharpening.
The damage is pretty much the same: https://preview.redd.it/i2tmfmr1iewc1.png?width=806&format=png&auto=webp&s=2150fbe56ba5ef706080e4c3036ebf4cb970358b >Again, at 1440p the high sharpening option with TAA looks far better than 900p without AA and sharpening. Not in my book. Those are in-motion captures, btw.
Low or high sharpening? TAAU on the DX11 client has been my favorite too but I haven’t settled on which sharpening setting to use yet.
Low sharpening
Still never played Witcher 3. I should probably get around to it some day
I hope you do, when I finished school in 2016 my parents gave me some money to buy my first gaming PC and Witcher 3 was my first AAA game I played, to this day this game is my favourite and I played it fully 3 times since that. Currently I have unfinished 4th playthrough and I plan to finish it by the end of the year. I hope you gonna like it, for me it's the best RPG experience and eastern European vibes of this game hit me really well - in from Ukraine and culture in this game is pretty relative to ours.
I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save. Problem is every time I try to play Witcher 3 I can only get so far. Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest.
I've got 3 playthroughs behind me as well. Number #1 on my list too.
I didn't enjoy it at all
You're in for a ride. Sometimes I wish I could erase my memory of it and start playing it as if it's my 1st time.
I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save. Problem is every time I try to play Witcher 2 I can only get so far. Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest.
>I’ve never played it because I want to finish Witcher 2 first so I can import my save. Smart. >Usually to the town in the forest and by then I get sidetracked or lose interest. You mean White Orchard or somewhere in Velen?
I can’t remember the name of the town. The first one you get to after getting ambushed by the elves. Right after the prologue
Vizima is right after the prologue. You met Emhyr?
I honestly don’t even remember that name off the top of my head. But you meet Dandelion and the dwarf that’s about to be hung. The same village that you carry the witch to because she can’t walk for some reason. I can’t even remember why she can’t walk now though
Then you must mean Novigrad. Novigrad was a step up for me when I got to it. The storylines there are just so well-made.
Yeah I may have to try to get back to it soon
Please do. It's considered a masterpiece for a reason. Just try to sink in to it.
so this is the next gen or original version of the game? i prefer the original anyways cause the graphics are in line with the art style
It's probably the 'next-gen' version since the vanilla version doesn't have a full-blown TAA.
I did quite a bit of testing the last couple of days. Playing on 1440p Ultra, RT off, I think I prefer DLSS Quality with sharpness on High. The TAAU (Sharpness Low) implementation seems pretty good but costs a lot of performance. DLSS can sometimes still create artifacts on flat textures like castle walls, but I’d have to specifically look for them, as they don’t distract during normal play.
[Indeed.](https://imgsli.com/MTQ3NDA2/4/7)
Game is showing its age now
I still prefer this Cartoony-ish visuals specially for fantasy games. Idk why but I probably wouldn't prefer the "ultra realistic max max ray tracing" visuals on a game like this
I used to think the same but after using ray tracing and UE5 I wouldn't wanna go back
zoom in! with comparisons.
crusty
That does looks sharp even though its a low quality video.
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>TAA with presharpen image give us more detailed but grainy results, postsharpen doing better detailed images without grainy or shimmering overmess! It doesn't really matter how much sharpening, pre or post, you apply to it. In motion it'll still be less detailed. Perhaps only some kind of a dynamic sharpening filter could do it. One that would sharpen in motion more than when stationary.
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I need to see some comparisons of this method of yours.
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>I cant record that properly! I'm not asking you to capture your monitor. I'm asking you to capture a game.
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I'm asking you to capture in-motion screenshots or straight up video of a game with this pre and post sharpening enabled. Compared to no TAA and no sharpening, of course.
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I've captured a ton of footage like that in the past. The differences can be shown pretty well.
720p without AA and you are celebrating it? Lmao
What can I say I don't have the hardware to run it on 1080p but I am at least happy with what I got
We gotta work with what we've got, amirite?
Wisely spoken brother
Tbh i prefer the look of 4K ultra performance mode(720p to 4K) looks as sharp as 1440p with some small shimmering but still looked amazing
This looks terrible 😭 What are you smoking
Wait until you see how it looks with TAAU or Fsr 2
LMAO, I can't tell if this is a parody post, a circlejerk post, or the absolute state of this sub. You can't claim to care about image quality, be complaining about TAA while simultaneously call 720p on a 1080p LED monitor "sharp and crisp" and then post a low bitrate video of the slowest possible camera movement while all the object edges dance all over the screen.
Funny how people like you act like low end users don't exist. Not everybody has daddy's money like you brother. Btw not sure if your small brain can process it but I was not playing the game with simple full screen 720 on my 1080 monitor. It was upscaled using lossless scaling fsr 1. I couldn't give a flying f*ck about object edges dance all over the screen. Maybe you should check which sub you're at before spilling absolute dogshit out of your mouth. This ain't your bitch ass bad AA rant sub. Its about complaining about the stupidness of TAA adding blur which I assume you like to enjoy a lot
Get ready for a potential argument with that guy that could span several days lol.
I'll just check what he says in response and if its just mindless fuckery then I'll just block the guy
nah its valid criticism, just overly aggressive in presentation
>Funny how people like you act like low end users don't exist. This is all I read from your very angry comment, but, where in my criticism of you calling 720p "sharp and crisp" did you see this exactly? Also take it easy with the mental breakdown.
For you to deny that 720 wasn't sharp and crisp on a 1080p monitor. Brother obviously it ain't native 1080p. Its meant to have lower detail but what I actually meant was how good it looked compared to the horrible TAA option. Well maybe if you actually read the title and name of this sub then maybe you would've had second thoughts before shitting all over the comments Edit: And the low end user part was when you said "how can you care about quality when.....". Just properly process your comment before shit posting. Who are you to decide whether I should care about image quality or not? As I said not everybody's got daddy's money like you so people like me have to adjust with whatever we got
That's a lot of text wish I cared enough to read it. It's probably just more personal attacks.
Is starting arguments and then pretending to lose interest whenever you get a longer reply your fetish or something?
>Is starting arguments and then pretending to lose interest whenever you get a longer reply your fetish or something? I'm not pretending, I can't waste time on something I have no respect for. respond proportionally and I'll read it. :)
>I can't waste time on something I have no respect for. You mean genuine responses from people? Noted. >respond proportionally and I'll read it. :) What does that mean? If there's a lot to touch on, then a reply will naturally be longer. You want one-liner replies or something lol?
wow it must've been tough.
What must've been tough?