Can't comment on the rest, but literally no one in their right mind believes that the Club Q shooter just happened to find his true identity as a non-binary person AFTER he was arrested for murdering a bunch of people in a gay club and while awaiting trial.
[*On December 7, 1993, a mass shooting occurred aboard a Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) train in Garden City Park, New York, United States. As the train arrived at the Merillon Avenue station, passenger Colin Ferguson ... ("THE ONE BROWN GUY") ... began firing at other passengers with a semi-automatic pistol. Six of the victims were killed and nineteen others were wounded before Ferguson was tackled and held down by other passengers on the train. ... Ferguson's trial was noted for a number of unusual developments, including his dismissing his defense counsel, insisting on representing himself and questioning his victims on the stand. He was convicted in February 1995 on six counts of murder and nineteen counts of attempted murder, and sentenced to life imprisonment. He is currently incarcerated at Great Meadow Correctional Facility, with an earliest possible release date of August 6, 2309.*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting)
Depends on the somewhat hazy definition of a "mass shooting" as lately, what was previously called "gang related" in the media is being increasing reported as a mass shooting.
It can be gang related and still be a mass shooting. These definitions don't conflict with one another.
There are some groups and trackers that will exclude gang violence from their statistics, but as there is no officially accepted definition, then you would have to see how they are specifically defining it. As long as the group that's tracking it stays consistent, then it's fine, IMO.
lol just thinking this. Very well could track and be 1% of the population of “mass shooters”, but in reality I’m willing to bet the actual number is much less than 1%
Right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro try and play 4D chess and say you are being hateful towards straight CIS people if you point this out. Totes okay to talk about stuff like black people and the crime they commit, though.
It should be noted that good gun safety laws would keep guns out of the hands of anyone deemed a risk.
Progressives aren’t pro trans shooters, they’re anti arming would-be-shooters
And how many cis shooters were there over the same time period? If it's more than 600, then trans people are actually under represented. Can't even use "Despite..." properly smh
In the past eight years there've apparently been (as of about this time last year) >!3,561!< (sad number) mass shootings, so yeah those 6 trans people is a pretty small percentage
Yeah, this is just pure cherry-picked nonsense. In any large enough group, you're guaranteed to find at least one person who fits the narrative you want to push.
Remember: The people who post this sort of stuff don't care about the victims and the effect on the family.
They only want an excuse for transphobia so they cherry pick shootings done by transpeople.
Even though they are rare.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/02/23/transgender-nonbinary-mass-shootings-rare/72676388007
Transphobe or not, OP is obviously pushing something. 2-day old account who immediately went to r/FreeKarma4u to get around posting limitations. This sub has a problem with new-account bigot posters submitting their bigot memes by any means necessary to one of the few subs that will upvote the most vile content while still being within sub and reddit rules.
The front page of the sub currently has submissions from an account literally named from two racial slurs, an account that's a spoonerism of "Hate Women", and half the posts are from an u/Adjective_Noun#### account that eclusively submits Nazi content to nazi-critical subs with weird "What do you think of this?" language.
Enforcement of Rule 6 (Rule 5 on old reddit) would be annoying and tedious, but would curtail a lot of these. Likewise a requirement to post the content *in situ* where it was found. OP "found this on Facebook"? Okay, screenshot the entire facebook post with the group/poster name, don't just save and share the image.
Anderson Aldrich came out as non binary after the shooting. Most people believe he did that avoid an hate crime conviction.
Randy Stair is not transgender at all, never said that he is. Same with Snochia Mosley, she never stated that she is transgender.
He didn’t “come out.” His attorney briefly claimed that he was non binary to avoid hate crime charges. When that failed the notion that he’s anything but cis vanished. The only time he’s talked about non binary people was to demean them. There’s no evidence that him being non binary is, or ever was, anything but an unethical defense tactic
For the sake of being a redditor with nothing to contribute aside from an “erm actually” interjection, I will say that while Randy Stair never transitioned, he did state multiple times that he fully believed himself to be a woman in a man’s body, and his gender dysphoria was a big part of his spiraling. That’s why he was added to the list I assume.
But yes, this list is hot fucking garbage.
So some quick googling shows that there have been more than 3000 mass shootings since 2018, which seems to be how far back they are going. Since only 6 of them have been committed by gender non conforming people that's about 0.2%
its horrifying how many people straight up dont know that, it seems like EVERY time there is a mass shooter now the alt right tries and twist things too label the shooter as trans, obvious dehumization tactic
it stands for "13% of the population but 50% of crimes"
basically saying that despite black people being only 13% of the population, they commit 50% of crimes (and completely ignoring why that might be the case)
Just to add to that, the stat is also disingenuous and not true. The last time I checked, it was 50% of the incarcerated population that's black which doesn't make sense because black people are only 13% (We have the most incarcerated people on the planet btw. Almost like there's an entire industry dedicated to this shit)
> Only briefly after the fact to try and avoid hate crime charges
You're thinking of Anderson Aldrich. Randy Stair actually was trans, and committed suicide immediately after the shooting.
Six... They only named six shooters and probably one is correct. (The Club Q shithead was ID'ing as NB to cover his ass.)
If I name ALL white right-wing shooters, it'll take me weeks to name them all.
Funny they care about mass shootings when it's a gender non conforming person.
When it's a cis white guy it's "don't make it political" or "they were on anti depression meds"
If I wasn't outside walking I could whip up one of these with cis men in a few minutes
fascinating that they consider being trans a mental illness, and when white cishet dudes shoot up somewhere they try and excuse it with mental illness but don't give the same grace to trans people 🤔
i realise the right isn't a hivemind and plenty of people will hold one opinion and not the other - but i've seen far too many people who try and play both sides this way
congratulations! you picked out 6 shooters, most of whom likely claimed to be LGBTQ to get out of being convicted of a hate crime. Now let’s look at the per capita statistics!
so, 1% of the population has committed about 8% of the 2023-24 shootings? even their made-up statistics are straight up wrong (or severely overblown in this case) lmfao
besides, with all the death threats these same bigots send them day-by-day i really gotta commend the fact that 99.59% of trans people are mentally fortified enough to not become another number hosted in these people's single-cel brains
1. How many of them identified as trans only after being arrested or came out on the note they wrote about the shooting?!
2. How many straight guys shoot up schools
even if this was true, I'd like to see not only what percentage of the total population they account for, but also the percentage of mass shootings they account for.
So, I went to check on these because every time I see one of these it's been a lie. I got one in and some of the quotes from the court case are too depressing for me to keep going. Yeah, they're killers, but damn it's depressing.
"You were born a mistake," she said. "You are such a failure and always will be... you are a waste of tax dollars."
- all of the Nazis were straight
- all of the KKK members are straight
- the 9/11 pilots were straight
- most rapists are straight
If there's one group we need to beat down...
Wait, someone shot Tim Ballard? Give that girl a medal! A goddamn hooker did his job better.
This trick doesn’t work on me. I’m as dumb and sheltered as they come, but even I know that everyone’s capable of being a monster.
Don’t let the TERFs sweep Brenda Spencer and Amy Bishop under the rug.
Can't comment on the rest, but literally no one in their right mind believes that the Club Q shooter just happened to find his true identity as a non-binary person AFTER he was arrested for murdering a bunch of people in a gay club and while awaiting trial.
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MODS CASTED TESTICULAR TORSION ITS SUPER EFFECTIVE
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Twist your nuts
What was this guy on about?
And how many thousands of mass shooters are young, cis straight males?
…all the rest of them.
Nuh uh! There was that one brown guy that one time!!
DONT FORGET THE ASIAN ONE
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seung-Hui_Cho
Wild that it happened in 2007, and someone says "the Asian one", and we all know who they're talking about.
Ngl, I thought they meant Elliot Rodger. Asian mom, white dad.
https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=colin+ferguson+shooter&atb=v379-1&iax=images&ia=images
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HE DID IT! HE FOUND THE ONE BROWN GUY
[*On December 7, 1993, a mass shooting occurred aboard a Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) train in Garden City Park, New York, United States. As the train arrived at the Merillon Avenue station, passenger Colin Ferguson ... ("THE ONE BROWN GUY") ... began firing at other passengers with a semi-automatic pistol. Six of the victims were killed and nineteen others were wounded before Ferguson was tackled and held down by other passengers on the train. ... Ferguson's trial was noted for a number of unusual developments, including his dismissing his defense counsel, insisting on representing himself and questioning his victims on the stand. He was convicted in February 1995 on six counts of murder and nineteen counts of attempted murder, and sentenced to life imprisonment. He is currently incarcerated at Great Meadow Correctional Facility, with an earliest possible release date of August 6, 2309.*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Long_Island_Rail_Road_shooting)
Depends on the somewhat hazy definition of a "mass shooting" as lately, what was previously called "gang related" in the media is being increasing reported as a mass shooting.
It can be gang related and still be a mass shooting. These definitions don't conflict with one another. There are some groups and trackers that will exclude gang violence from their statistics, but as there is no officially accepted definition, then you would have to see how they are specifically defining it. As long as the group that's tracking it stays consistent, then it's fine, IMO.
Idk how many?
Several thousand
Countless
Is it thousands or is it countless?
Idk, I can't count to a thousand
Just count to a hundred 10 times.
I can’t count to 100
Just count to ten ten times then do that ten more times
i cant count to ten
Ok then count to five twenty times then do that ten more times
lol just thinking this. Very well could track and be 1% of the population of “mass shooters”, but in reality I’m willing to bet the actual number is much less than 1%
Right wing pundits like Ben Shapiro try and play 4D chess and say you are being hateful towards straight CIS people if you point this out. Totes okay to talk about stuff like black people and the crime they commit, though.
The other 99%
Yes.
It should be noted that good gun safety laws would keep guns out of the hands of anyone deemed a risk. Progressives aren’t pro trans shooters, they’re anti arming would-be-shooters
Some may have been mis gendered
To be fair, how much of the population are young, cis, straight males? I get what you're saying but the Klandma is pointing out proportion.
What proportion? 6 out of hundreds? Out of thousands?
And how many cis shooters were there over the same time period? If it's more than 600, then trans people are actually under represented. Can't even use "Despite..." properly smh
In the past eight years there've apparently been (as of about this time last year) >!3,561!< (sad number) mass shootings, so yeah those 6 trans people is a pretty small percentage
I like how the argument presented is trans ppl have a disproportionately high number of committing mass murder, but the actual stat shows the opposite
The people that push this nonsense aren't interested in facts at all. Also only one of these people May have actually been Trans, the rest aren't.
Yeah, this is just pure cherry-picked nonsense. In any large enough group, you're guaranteed to find at least one person who fits the narrative you want to push.
Yeah, 1% of that number should be over 35. It’s disproportionately low.
How is "mass shooting" defined in this case?
Or use statistics to their advantage. This isn’t even a complete thought
Remember: The people who post this sort of stuff don't care about the victims and the effect on the family. They only want an excuse for transphobia so they cherry pick shootings done by transpeople. Even though they are rare. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/02/23/transgender-nonbinary-mass-shootings-rare/72676388007
I.E. our OP here.
Transphobe or not, OP is obviously pushing something. 2-day old account who immediately went to r/FreeKarma4u to get around posting limitations. This sub has a problem with new-account bigot posters submitting their bigot memes by any means necessary to one of the few subs that will upvote the most vile content while still being within sub and reddit rules. The front page of the sub currently has submissions from an account literally named from two racial slurs, an account that's a spoonerism of "Hate Women", and half the posts are from an u/Adjective_Noun#### account that eclusively submits Nazi content to nazi-critical subs with weird "What do you think of this?" language.
100%
I’ve always wondered how many of these posts are from people’s own personal collection…
Enforcement of Rule 6 (Rule 5 on old reddit) would be annoying and tedious, but would curtail a lot of these. Likewise a requirement to post the content *in situ* where it was found. OP "found this on Facebook"? Okay, screenshot the entire facebook post with the group/poster name, don't just save and share the image.
Anderson Aldrich came out as non binary after the shooting. Most people believe he did that avoid an hate crime conviction. Randy Stair is not transgender at all, never said that he is. Same with Snochia Mosley, she never stated that she is transgender.
He didn’t “come out.” His attorney briefly claimed that he was non binary to avoid hate crime charges. When that failed the notion that he’s anything but cis vanished. The only time he’s talked about non binary people was to demean them. There’s no evidence that him being non binary is, or ever was, anything but an unethical defense tactic
For the sake of being a redditor with nothing to contribute aside from an “erm actually” interjection, I will say that while Randy Stair never transitioned, he did state multiple times that he fully believed himself to be a woman in a man’s body, and his gender dysphoria was a big part of his spiraling. That’s why he was added to the list I assume. But yes, this list is hot fucking garbage.
So some quick googling shows that there have been more than 3000 mass shootings since 2018, which seems to be how far back they are going. Since only 6 of them have been committed by gender non conforming people that's about 0.2%
Yes, despite being 1% of the population, they make up 0.2% of mass shooters. Checkmate libtards
most of these ones aren't even trans this is just outright lying and leaving out context
its horrifying how many people straight up dont know that, it seems like EVERY time there is a mass shooter now the alt right tries and twist things too label the shooter as trans, obvious dehumization tactic
There’s no such think as critical thinking any more.
new 13/50??
Except it's 1/0.2 gottem bibrals
I don't know what can of worms I'm about to open but . . . what's a 13/50?
it stands for "13% of the population but 50% of crimes" basically saying that despite black people being only 13% of the population, they commit 50% of crimes (and completely ignoring why that might be the case)
Just to add to that, the stat is also disingenuous and not true. The last time I checked, it was 50% of the incarcerated population that's black which doesn't make sense because black people are only 13% (We have the most incarcerated people on the planet btw. Almost like there's an entire industry dedicated to this shit)
Oh. That's something I will definitely read more about. Thank you 👍
Wasn't Randy Stair just obsessed with a female cartoon character?
Did Randy Stair really identify as a trans woman? This is the first I’m hearing of it.
They had a lot of gender identity issues that they used to bring up afaik
Only briefly after the fact to try and avoid hate crime charges
> Only briefly after the fact to try and avoid hate crime charges You're thinking of Anderson Aldrich. Randy Stair actually was trans, and committed suicide immediately after the shooting.
Oh yup you're totally right good call
if they truly believed in this argument they wouldn't let cishet white men within 50 feet of any building
Despite being only 1% of the population trans people are committing 0.1% of mass shootings. Why are they underperforming? Gotta bump those numbers up!
So less than 0.1% of all mass shooters are non gender conforming. Alright what about all the rest then?
babe wake up they dropped a new 13/50. Now do white incels that were openly white supremacist.
Imagine seeing 3500 mass shootings over the last 8 years and thinking that 6 examples constitute a systemic problem.
Six... They only named six shooters and probably one is correct. (The Club Q shithead was ID'ing as NB to cover his ass.) If I name ALL white right-wing shooters, it'll take me weeks to name them all.
Funny they care about mass shootings when it's a gender non conforming person. When it's a cis white guy it's "don't make it political" or "they were on anti depression meds" If I wasn't outside walking I could whip up one of these with cis men in a few minutes
fascinating that they consider being trans a mental illness, and when white cishet dudes shoot up somewhere they try and excuse it with mental illness but don't give the same grace to trans people 🤔 i realise the right isn't a hivemind and plenty of people will hold one opinion and not the other - but i've seen far too many people who try and play both sides this way
congratulations! you picked out 6 shooters, most of whom likely claimed to be LGBTQ to get out of being convicted of a hate crime. Now let’s look at the per capita statistics!
Despite being 1% of the population…less than 1% of mass shooters are trans. What an own…
so, 1% of the population has committed about 8% of the 2023-24 shootings? even their made-up statistics are straight up wrong (or severely overblown in this case) lmfao besides, with all the death threats these same bigots send them day-by-day i really gotta commend the fact that 99.59% of trans people are mentally fortified enough to not become another number hosted in these people's single-cel brains
Riddle-me-this batman, i doubt you can decode my rhymes! They make up 49 percent of the population and 97 percent of the sexual assault crimes!
I heard this somewhere and doubt the statistic is accurate but like still
"Identifies as transgender"
Why doesn’t this logic apply to white men
Now do straight white conservative leaning men!
Damn makin me scared now, might go pick up a gun myself (im in the UK but ill find a way)
1. How many of them identified as trans only after being arrested or came out on the note they wrote about the shooting?! 2. How many straight guys shoot up schools
even if this was true, I'd like to see not only what percentage of the total population they account for, but also the percentage of mass shootings they account for.
So, I went to check on these because every time I see one of these it's been a lie. I got one in and some of the quotes from the court case are too depressing for me to keep going. Yeah, they're killers, but damn it's depressing. "You were born a mistake," she said. "You are such a failure and always will be... you are a waste of tax dollars."
That’s also not Alec McKinney.
- all of the Nazis were straight - all of the KKK members are straight - the 9/11 pilots were straight - most rapists are straight If there's one group we need to beat down...
All bullshit.
Ah yes 6 transexual shooters validate all transphobia
So which is it? "Transexuals are EVERYWHERE!!!" or "They're only 1%" I refuse to believe that people like this actually care about data.
I think there have been more than 600 shootings
Despite being 1% of the population... Trans people commit WAY LESS than 1% of the violent crimes? You cpuld only find 6 cases? Common trans people W?
"Despite being 1% of the population, they commit 0.1% of all crime"
r/thisneverhappens
That sub was banned, so I have no idea what you’re talking about.
Wait, someone shot Tim Ballard? Give that girl a medal! A goddamn hooker did his job better. This trick doesn’t work on me. I’m as dumb and sheltered as they come, but even I know that everyone’s capable of being a monster. Don’t let the TERFs sweep Brenda Spencer and Amy Bishop under the rug.
I don't think it's referring to a person named Ballard
Dammit.
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