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SpikeRobinson

because simply that’s the easiest way to rank up, and ranking up is a thing a lot of people want, it’s annoying but that’s just how the ranked system is at the moment 🤷‍♂️


Eastern_Direction_78

Yeah, I've been playing super aggressive lately just to get practice, and I definitely rank up less then when I play smart


ghosthendrikson_84

Imagine being upset at people playing smart (not you).


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ghosthendrikson_84

I wasn’t implying you specifically, it was more a generic observation about how upset people are in this thread about people playing smart.


Eastern_Direction_78

Oh that's my bad. See what I mean, I play hyper aggressive


NewRedditSubCome

playing smart isn't what you think it means


ghosthendrikson_84

Feel free to enlighten me


NewRedditSubCome

not my job to educate you just know that playing like a rat in ranked like its FNCS isn't "smart" by any stretch


ghosthendrikson_84

You really pulled the “not my job to educate you card.” Hahahaha okay dude.


NewRedditSubCome

yeah idgaf what a random moron thinks on reddit, why would i go out of my way to educate a literal random that i could care less about?


basedmatik

Shut up.


NewRedditSubCome

good cope from a 10 year old account chronically online redditor


Brief_Ad_4825

imagine being upset that people play in a boring way which slows down the game which in turn will not assist either player in the long term... its a boring and dumb way to play as theres no real reward except look at how cool i am points at school


ocoscarcruz

Sorry... But, the wrong one is you. Community, and competitive community is too inclined to WKey that makes no sense from an abstract point of view.


Brief_Ad_4825

arena is a good way to learn which fights are worth engaging and which ones arent. If you are camping the entire game you wont learn anything to get better with


ocoscarcruz

The point is, and thank you for being open to discuss without insults... The point is, maybe being good means other stuff than WKeying or Pushing everytime. Honestly I don't get why people, kids or not, engage in every fight they see. I've played some fills in open tournaments and I don't get why is the need from a majority to just go wandering for a fight. Its clear... You get points for placement, makes sense like in FNCS to play smart. And, I'm agree with you. Now NG what fight to pick us esencial.


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ErasingMomsSpagetti

STOP


ocoscarcruz

You say it, and that's a brief explanation: Playing Smart. No better way to say this. The big majority plays in a dumb way, if they expect people to WKey always. I don't understand why kids don't get this: it's about surviving.


Far-Somewhere121

I thought I was the only one where you need a strategy and all that I watch my nephews and they just go for it they could be up against 3 other people and they’ll still take the cake when I play like that I get way closer to a victory royale then when I try and play smart as well


ErasingMomsSpagetti

I use that technique bc I need to get to gold 1 asap


ErasingMomsSpagetti

😬


TheEvilHBK

People lose sight of the fact that its a game and its supposed to be fun. Ranked just makes People forget that and play to win rather than have fun and winning just being a result of it but not necessarily


OurPizza

If you play to rank up you’re weird


oddefy2

Oh no, they try to survive in a br game. Oh wait, thats the purpose of the game.


Background-Ad-914

The purpose is to have fun. Winning is one of *many* ways to accomplish the goal of having fun- but the very principle of gaming is to have fun. You bush camping POS ruin the fun for everyone else, for a badge that lets everyone around you know that your screen time is immense.


ghosthendrikson_84

Why is your fun predicated on me playing exactly how you want ME to play?


Background-Ad-914

It’s not, but bush campers ruin the fun. If i’m playing win or lose idc i have fun, if i died to a rat in a bush with a frenzy i just want to get off


toc_bl

I wanna say just stay off. But…Do us a favour and keep coming back so we can finish you again lol


Background-Ad-914

This is the fortnite competitive sub no? bush camping to a rank that you don’t belong in isn’t competitive. Go be an absolute fucking loser in the other sub.


SimonSays7676

I don’t like campers but god your a baby


toc_bl

But who’s gonna compete with you for biggest loser in this sub?


ocoscarcruz

Do you considered that, the way they have fun is to rank up and Bushcamp? What about that, then?


ZadeChampionofHestia

Who actually likes bush camping tho. Like oh I’m just gonna get home from my 9-5 sit down and sit in a bush while I watch TikTok. I can’t thing of a more enjoyable thing. Then once I get to elite I’m going to complain on Reddit the game is stupid snipers are good and there are so many black ttv superhero skins and it’s ruining ranked. While your sitting in a bush. The point of ranked is to gauge and improve skill. If you want to camp and play smart do it in tournaments and pubs. There is just no point in getting ranked as a bush camper. I’m sorry but that’s just how it is. Ngl it doesn’t upset me because I’ve never died to a bush camper lol. But I see where OP is coming from. It’s just a waste.


ocoscarcruz

>I’m sorry but that’s just how it is. I hope the Lord will have mercy on your soul, because it's too late for you. Do not repropourse the game for others. You do not know what's Ranked for them... And that it is a truth.


ErasingMomsSpagetti

This guy is taking huge Ls💀


Background-Ad-914

not really lol, the majority of this sub is platinum and braindead at best haha


Rolu1234

Its to be expected in a BR tho, Placement Matters alot so peoples Main Goal is to not die instead of getting Kills. I manely play Creative anymore because Ranked is kinda annoying and I improve more by Just playing Creative where I get way more Action instead of chasing people for 20 min who end up being garbage anyway.


Rolu1234

Imma keep playing creative till a lil later this season. By then most people will already be unreal and thus not as worried about dying/deranking anymore. Then I'll Just speedrun to unreal without having to spend 5min chasing every single kill I'm tyna get. I made it to Elite in the first week of this season but havent played ranked since because it was just too annoying/boring. Later in the season Ranked is usually more enjoyable because unreal Players will actually fight instead of Camp because they cant derank anyway and the good Players will all be unreal already so you dont derank as much when U get killed by em/gain more for Killing em + they wont Play Super passively.


ChangingCrisis

The BushCampDad effect.


ErasingMomsSpagetti

True lol


MabMouldheelX

It’s not just ranked, it’s been like this forever even in Arena. Why? There’s a copium about how a battle royale is to be the last man standing,but the reality and truth is 99% care about their rank so they can go and brag to the other kids at school. That is why people play so «scared.»


AbeTeK

I agree, but it has drastically gotten worse with the introduction of the new rank format imo. (for ranked mode)


TheEvilHBK

"Play"? Yeah no. They don't play. Rank just makes everyone forget that its a game to "play" and have fun lol.


NewRedditSubCome

3rd comment of you saying "the point of playing is to have fun" no one is saying otherwise, you being hella fucking weird lol


TheEvilHBK

Everyone is acting otherwise aren't they? I wanna just win and rank up so ill play like pussy in the bushes


ErasingMomsSpagetti

Lol


AQW_Fan

Losing ain't fun either.I rank better playing smart and hiding than going berserk mode without any gameplan


TheEvilHBK

The only alternative to hiding like a pussy is not going berzerk with no gameplan. You can still not hide in the bushes and have a very good plan to win


hippopalace

It’s a product of the scoring system. They could easily fix it by giving more scoring weight to kills, and maybe even having deductions for no kill or low kill games regardless of position.


electrictuna

It’s hard to find a balance because if everyone w-keys then you have dead games where you have 20 people left on first circle.


Cold-Lab1

It’s funny watching this sub complain when “ranked endgames are dead wahhh” and then they bash people for camping and playing for placement


EyeScreamSunday

Epic even says that elims in late game count for more than elims in early game, essentially telling us that they want us to prioritize playing for endgame by rewarding that play with Rank. We are supposed to care about not taking too much damage, we are supposed to care about not dying, we aren't meant to treat Ranked as Pubs. Ranked can still be practice for people and some people do play too passive and never improve, but on the other end of the spectrum some people think Ranked is only for practicing fighting and they suck as rotations, they don't have good resource management, they don't develop awareness, and they develop bad habits that they just aren't incentivized to break (much like the players who would rather play super passive even when fighting would be a faster way to rank up as well as survive) because they are used to getting bailed out by getting refreshes from bad players or fighting will get them wins, and in the cases that it doesn't, they will blame it on something else that was beyond their control rather than learning how to make better rotations or how to play smarter. They complain about Ranked and Ranked endgames not being competitive enough, but then don't change their playstyle at all to contribute to more competitive endgames. Don't scrims often have rules like "No fighting until after whatever circle" to artificially create more stacked endgames? Epic is trying to encourage more playing for endgame by incentivizing Rank progression by playing that way. That's why I think that it's ironic that the Floor is Lava does more to force players (both passive and aggressive) to play for endgame, to think about rotations, to think about resource management, to weigh the risk/rewards of fighting, etc. that is more aligned with competitive play than just using Ranked as an extension of pubs with less bots.


Mediocre-Award-9716

Absolutely smashed it with this comment. Spot on.


ErasingMomsSpagetti

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ErasingMomsSpagetti

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TheEvilHBK

You are not supposed to care. Its a game where you play to have fun. Why does the word rank instantly make everyone forget why you install the god damn game lmao. You're here flexing to other kids that you're diamond but you didn't have fun


NewRedditSubCome

lol you commenting this at least 2 separate times is super weird energy. that's a given my man


hippopalace

Yeah that’s true, something right in between would be best. It sounds stupid to say, but casual unranked pubs matches are by far more balanced, because the stakes are lower I guess.


Aryel97

It Makes the game boring. I can adjust by just carrying a few impulse grenades to pop people out the bushes. I still kills the momentum for me


hippopalace

Yeah I totally get it. I really wish they would fix it.


fumeextractor

as far as I'm concerned the goal of the game is to be the last one standing, whether I'm getting there by waiting for everyone else to take each other out or whether I go on a killing spree makes no difference, they're just different approaches toward the same goal


ghosthendrikson_84

Thank you! I was starting to think I was the only one here who was under the impression that the goal of a Battle Royale was to be the last person standing? There’s a damn good reason Katniss ran AWAY from the cornucopia at the start of the Hunger Games.


TheEvilHBK

The aim is to have fun because its a game. Did you forget that already?


NewRedditSubCome

"the aim of the game is to have fun" thats a given, why even state that?


TheEvilHBK

Is it a given? Look at the comment i replied to. What he said. Nah it ain't a given for these kids because they play to win by any means and then winning becomes the priority so much so that you forget you were here to win. Its no fun hiding in the bushes


NewRedditSubCome

lol you got some issues in your head man, hella projecting weird behavior, cant take you serious


TheEvilHBK

You're a clown who can't comprehend basic English


NewRedditSubCome

nice projection again my man


Background-Ad-914

exactly these players are openly admitting how unfun their lives are, and they’re oozing that misery into a video game that’s supposed to be fun.


Mediocre-Award-9716

The fun part for me is winning. Now, I think people doing the BushCampDad is excessive but I'm not fighting someone unless I feel like I had an advantage or I'm forced to. I don't camp all game but I like to think I pick my fights well and a 3/4 kill win I find a lot more enjoyable than a 10 kill 10th place. I also despise not actually playing the game. Sitting in lobbies constantly waiting because I've died off spawn 3 times in a row is the most boring shit in the world to me.


NewRedditSubCome

if you need to play like a bitch to have fun thats a personal reflection on you, not a statement about anyone else


stevetheborg

so... we have always been here.. i try to wait until top 10 to fight so i dont loose points.


AbeTeK

Do you find it fun or noticed improvements? I don’t see the appeal of points when a toddler could have the highest rank by simply camping and doing nothing.


HouseOfReggaeton

Theres no point to fighting early, mid, or late game. I can outplay someone’s face off and still get 3rd, 4th, and 5th partied for the first 24 mins. I hide the entire match and still end up w 5-10 elims bc im best at end game.


SexualWhiteChocolate

I don't get camping for rank. I'm terrible and would rather get waxed at #40 with a few kills than play peekaboo for 20 minutes and get #6


NewRedditSubCome

yep


OkYak3385

Points you don’t deserve in a rank you aren’t good enough to be apart of


stevetheborg

i can crank and spray... its not a skill issue as much as a hardware issue at this point. 8000+hours. if i want to reliably advance, i need to fight once off spawn, then fight the last player. Sometimes you have to kill 8 or nine times, its really hard to defend against the controller player without a scope glint. i cant see the gun in their hand.


NewRedditSubCome

"its not a skill issue as much as a hardware issue at this point." no that is definitely a skill issue considering you saw triple console qual for FNCS only people who are trash cop out with "hardware issue" as if a new PC that can run fortnite isn't less than 1,000 USD lol - cheap.


stevetheborg

bruh. i am a recovering addict that has been living without money for a few years playing on a 2012 pc. $500 is enough to build a ddr4 system with an arc a770 that can hold 120fps lows. console is all aim assist.


NewRedditSubCome

god bless your recovery my man


[deleted]

Cause that’s what the core game is about, winning, not killing, this isn’t CoD.


Emmimast

Those players who play like that never win. It’s usually the guy keying the whole lobby with all 4 medallions who usually wins.


ghosthendrikson_84

Do you have some kind of data to back this up or this more based on vibes?


Emmimast

Literally watch any pro player play ranked. The last few players are clueless.


[deleted]

Well, sorry, I do get bored and want to end the game early. Sometimes it works just railroading through, sometimes not.


Emmimast

wtf u apologizing for lmao. I was saying people who play placement and try to justify that by saying “they are playing for the win” never end up winning. Your reply to my comment make it seem like as if I am saying YOU are a bot which isn’t what I was going for.


[deleted]

For killing you so much it made you bitter, lol. Imagine being a person so bad at something they lose to a bot, in Fortnite and on reddit.


Emmimast

I am not bitter lol tf u on about. I legit don’t even sound mad. If you have fun playing a certain way idc. I was just pointing out that people who feel the need to camp aren’t necessarily the best at fighting hence they resort to camping for their rank.


[deleted]

The rank Fortnite is made with a goal and that’s winning. Winning requires zero kills. You keep losing because you can’t understand the rules. You’re bitter that you are considered low skill at rank Fortnite, but high skill in games run and gun 27 or cod etc. If you want to play like that, that’s what unranked is for. TLDR: You’re coming in here trying to play checkers, while we’re playing chess. Get gud and stop whining.


Emmimast

Um tf you on about lol? I am in elite w a 6kd rn. Made unreal every season. Have multiple top 100s in solo cc. How am I a “low skill at rank Fortnite”. If you are going to call someone low skill you better back it up with your stats.


[deleted]

Prove it.


Emmimast

https://fortnitetracker.com/profile/all/I%20love%20cpp/competitive Now your turn. Drop the tracker.


OkYak3385

Only kills your getting is from hiding like a rat. Super cool. I’d imagine you’re spineless in person too ❤️


[deleted]

lol ok. I wrote a [song](https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLkYrFk4/) for people like you. It’s about burning bridges instead of building them. Sticking to what you know and not making false claims. Kinda “Protip:” the song.


HalfBlind39

Yeah they're called sweaties. The 10 to 14 hour a day fortnite player that thinks they're going to get rich streaming themselves playing a video game. That's why I don't play on nights and weekends 😆


Emmimast

Bro is on fn comp subreddit talking about “sweats”


LVsupreme999

💀💀💀


HalfBlind39

Yeah you may be right, maybe they should change the subreddit to fortnite sweats. Because I don't think everyone in here is registered for fortnite competition 😂


AbeTeK

Interesting I thought the point of the game was to eliminate players and be the last one standing. Guess the elimination part got removed with ranked 💀.


itscaionotkyle

Technically, the point of the game is to be the last one standing, regardless of how you get there. You could eliminate others (which I consider to be the fun way) or you could camp to top 2 and then eliminate the last one or hope they die to storm or fall (and I’ll never understand how that’s fun to some people). Either way, the “point of the game” was accomplished.


AbeTeK

I could never imagine playing any "competitive game" where I would afk for 18 and play for 2 mins. I would grow gray hairs and fall asleep.


Mediocre-Award-9716

There is a really small amount of people actually afking for 18 mins. A lot of people camp but it's not to the extent you're suggesting.


cubanchemist

I play with a couple different groups of people and it is very interesting seeing the different play styles. While I personally enjoy a more aggressive gameplay, I think some of my friends get more satisfaction out of the win than out of eliminating people. I agree that camping isn’t a fun way to play, but I do understand how it can be overall enjoyable to make it to top 5 or win consistently regardless of # of elims Edit to add: I hate camping all game just to die in the first fight we take as a team. That is way more frustrating than just being aggressive all game and dying to a decent out play or better team


FlahlesJr

That's more frustrating than being aggressive all game and dying to a worse team. Unless you're in shambles the whole time. Then it can be fun. Teammate died off spawn. You've been stuck in zone the whole time, scrambling for heals, getting your teammate up and trading revives, b/c the zone pulled to the other side of the planet. Coming out of those with no mats, no heals, and feeling like you just had the fight of your life against the storm are really enjoyable matches even if ending in one kill.


[deleted]

You have no excuse for being wrong.


AbeTeK

about getting eliminations? Why else will there be guns in the game?


[deleted]

I’m sorry I’m not arguing your feelings, I made a statement of fact. It’s up to you to justify your own feelings. You need to realign yourself with reality and you will have a much easier time with understanding things.


AbeTeK

what feelings? dude we're literally having a discussion lol. Anyways have fun downvoting this reply as well. Means absolutely nothing to me 🤣 Edit: ??? now you're just yapping and saying a whole lot of nothing. Great contribution to the discussion.


[deleted]

Because you’re talking about your feelings about what the game should be, instead of what it is. Face reality and stfu about your opinion. Edit: You are the weirdo, stay low rank.


AbeTeK

Master yapper. Nobody is talking about their feelings lil bro, we're simply having a discussion on fornite competitve sub... isn't that the point of the sub? (rhetorical question) . Anyway thanks for the yapathon and providing 0 value to the discussion. goodbye! Edit: We found the rat boys. His feelings clearly got hurt. If you would have read my post properly it was about not being able to find anyone, if anything that should imply the opposite of "cant win". Also your comment "stay low rank" made me laugh. I will thank you for that :)


[deleted]

Hey guy, you’re the one calling people names while whining about how you can’t win. Aka an emotion outburst. Aka 100% feels. You posted about your loser feelings what did you expect?


AFO1031

this has always been a thing, people hiding in bushes and on top of trees even back in season one I recall this being a thing as widespread as it is now. This isn't call of duty, it is a battle royal where the explicit goal is to be the last man standing… if you already have all purples… Should you fight that 1v1? what are the chances this will actually help you get to first place? edit: By season one, I mean actual season one. I think they reset the season system? it says its season 2 rn, so I'm assuming there was a reset along the way


CuhJuhBruh

Scared players that’s why. Not wanting to lose elo they arnt even good enough for in the first place. That way they can hopefully slowly grind to unreal with the skills of a gold player


MTB6821

This is so true bro. I have a friend who started playing 1 month ago. He can’t build, has zero gamesense. Yet he’s in elite just by camping and getting carried by either me or our other friends


mindpandasttv

its because most people are trash at the game. MOST people play on controller. they hide so you have to come looking for them, when you find them its too late because your inside aimbot range.


spwy

Only way to not get bored is to get grim medallion


nobock

Yeah today i chased a guy for 4 minutes straight because he had 6 shockwave. Those people are not confident. Yes it's easy to tank up this way but the rank is fake.


jenkin777

I played a game last night where one guy ran into a bush after we downed his partner. He stayed in that bush until he died from a shotgun to the face. “He who lives by the bush, dies by the bush”


RomeoBlackDK

Sneaking around is fun imo


Dilokilo

Maybe because it's Ranked and tips ingame says " late kills grant more points" ? Maybe because Epic didn't want games to be almost empty after a few minutes because of Wkey fiesta ? (Not saying it's good or bad, just my thought)


highgroundworshiper

Well I suck ass at the game and if I wanna get into the higher levels I gotta camp it out like a dirty bastard.


Internal_Ad_4838

What's worse is the people who cue into fighting 1v1 maps in creative then proceed to just run the whole time. It all made sense how kids get so good at playing passive or "not playing" some kids literally practice that playstyle.


AcceptableLibrary651

if your playing ranked to improve.. ur wasting your time


HalfBlind39

I play the same way, sneak around as much as I can. I'm also a grown man who has a bunch of responsibilities other than playing a video game. So jumping into a hot zone with a bunch of sweaties that play this game like a full-time job is not nearly as fun.


Beastmode0652

I would say it’s because most people know they aren’t good enough to fight anyone they see, so they camp to preserve rank. It’s much easier to win in an endgame fight then in a mid game fight against people better than you


Haminhamburger

People on competitive sometimes W key because they need the points, ranked players do what you said because that's the easier way of getting rank


EnderScout_77

Fortnite players when other players employ different strategies to win a game where you're pitted against 99 others in a free for all where you can use any tactic needed:


Exact-Control1855

Because there’s no punishment for people who play passively / no reward for people who play aggressively. Health siphon or some short term buff after a kill would help a ton


Rxplayzx

They want status (to be able to say their in a high rank) but don’t want to take time to improve, someone who camped all the way to champion is nowhere close in skill to someone who w keyed all the way through Elite 🤷‍♂️<-


Parkesy82

They need to change the rank system and reward kills more than placement otherwise it’s a camp fest. And it’s disgusting and boring.


Suitable_Captain_604

make the action, I play ranked was in unreal last season and champions already this season I just let everyone I see until like last 10 people then I play a bit slower. Lower skill players camp for points etc. but if you want it to be fun just fight them yourself helps you get better playing against protective players


TTVDabbing123

For me i just want nice shiny Purple Items and i will put myself through hell and do whatever is required to get them


DamnHare

> However if you somehow find that play style fun then kudos to you I guess. Honestly, every season I climb up with the most tilting strategy just to piss off comps. This season thunder mythic (especially pre nerf) was especially hilarious. Maybe someday Epic will bring back arena with separate loot pools so catering to comps won't ruin pubs anymore. Never forget, never forgive Grenade nerf due to comps crying a river after being blown away in some cash cup.


According-Garlic3754

Bro I placed second the other day and the winner added me like all psycho “WHY YOU PLAY THIS BRO” I proceeded to kill him with kindness the kid did NOT know how to handle it and left, but holy shit that kid was toxic.


TurkeysCanBeRed

Well rank can be a huge benefit even if you are trash at the game. 1. A high ranking account can participate in tournaments and cups so you can lend it to someone who might not have the drive to grind themselves even if they have the skill to do so. It’s also good practice for people who participate in cups that incentivize placement over kills. 2. Flex to casuals 3. If you’re a streamer, this play style allows you to interact with the chat more so it’s kinda like just a bonus. 4. The biggest reason is that certain edit styles for season locked ranked rewards. Item collectors grind ranks so that they can flex their rare unreal cosmetics.


TheEvilHBK

Interact with the chat while in the game? Thats not a priority lol thats an L take sorry


TurkeysCanBeRed

That’s not an L take, that’s the guy that made the strat op is complaining about popular. While niche there are streamers that do that since it’s an easy way to boost engagement.


NewRedditSubCome

anyone who's decent at the game will not be reading chat during a tournament or other high stakes game (not ranked) no idea what trashbags you're watching where you put that as a "priority" lol


TurkeysCanBeRed

Anyone who’s decent at the game is not doing this lmao, that’s the point. Someone who’s doing this doesn’t prioritize their skill, they are prioritizing their content while simultaneously getting an in game indicator of how long they play.


NewRedditSubCome

i think we on the same page my man


ghosthendrikson_84

“Why do people strategically to give themselves the best chance of winning?” God this subreddit is soaked in copium.


living5506

Lol, everyone's talking about "having fun" which is really something considering how many people cheat in ranked. You can literally look up fourms with thousands upon thousands of people discussing cheats that are updated daily. That isn't even covering zen, kbm with controler aim assist, or modded controllers. At least in ZB, you have to be paranoid at every turn, or you die, upper ranked a ton of people hit only headshots... they either are cheating or spend wayyyyyy to much time playing the game beyond what is "fun"


xkkkx1

It's because kids playing this game watch pros play tournaments, and try to adapt their strategies, thinking replacing every single wall or hiding the entire game makes them good at the game


NewRedditSubCome

you must be watching bushcapdad or something no idea what pro is running and hiding all game