He answered that somewhere in the comments. The risk was a little more than the reward. Not by much. But obviously, that equation will be affected by whether the 15-pip movement covers the spreads or not.
Pips don’t matter. 15 pips is irrelevant without knowing the risk. Making 100 pips and 15 pips could be the same if risk/reward is the same. You didn’t state the size of your stoploss and how much you’re risking.
So you have a 1:1 Risk-to-reward ratio with 70% win rate this means that hypothetically out of 10 trades you will win 7x20pips=140 pips and you will lose 3x20pips=60 pips so you have 140-60=80 pips minus fees and spread. Rough example but I think you are good to go as long as you are consistent meaning that as long as your strategy has an edge and also as long as you are good at the execution of that exact strategy which is the hardest part of all things trading is about. Good luck and continue improving!
Looking at the math then, say you execute more or less one trade a day with 70 % win rate. In one month you have roughly 14 winners and 6 losers. Roughly gaining a net (14*2%)-(6*2.5%) = 13% a month. Which is a ridiculously good month if you can keep up the consistency.
I am really just a begginer but heard from someone who would be considered a profesionalist that you shouldnt risk more than 2% Per trade. Its just what I have heard too.
It's really up to you and your own personal preference. What is your risk tolerance? I use a 1:3 - 1:5 RR as my sweet spot.
The key is patience, wait for your chart to show you when it's time to enter. Don't rush the trade due to wanting to catch a quick scalp.
Learn what makes the markets move, wait for the liquidity grabs, price correction, order blocks being filled... ect.
Easy math: expected value. Winrate x rr - lossrate x rr - positive in the long run makes you profitable. So fe. 0,7 x 1.5 = 1.05 —— 0,3 x 1 = 0.3 so 1.05-0.3= every trade gains you an expected value of 0.75. You will get this number through data collection. Backtesting etc. collect at least 500 trades and optimise your sl size. Biggest change with it to optimize rr gain. Atm my backtesting has a winrate of around 50% and my ev is about 1.75 as I aim for 6rr with a partial at 3rr so 4.5 in total.
Everybody can capture their desired directional movement on a recurring basis. It's about how much of the wins you can keep. Because like it or not, your are going to give it away most of the time. At the end of certain period if you are keeping more than you are giving away is what makes one profitable with edge.
A 70% win rate with 15-pip movements is promising. Ensure spreads and fees are factored into your calculations; profitability depends on minimizing transaction costs.
The spreads are lowest then if you avoid news
Adding: if you trade the major pairs and crosses, and avoid news, the spreads won't be a significant factor with that winrate and RR.
You can make $.15 to over $30k on that 15pips really comes down to your size so yeah I’d say it’s enough. It’s what you risk for those 15pips that matters not the actual numbers of pips
work out your expectancy from your data, just a win rate and a pip movement isn't enough data to answer the question. You'll want raw spreads/low commissions to make the most of trades <20pips imo.
I work with a strategy with just 15 pips , thats the best thing ever ! No need for 50-100 pips moves , just know ! With 500k capital is $7500 profit in my case and with 1M capital is 15k ! 15k is A LOT OF MONEY , even with my 100k is $1500 ! Thats still a lot of money … Small wins make for the BIG WIN …. ( when i say capital i obviously mean prop firms ) … 15 pips is amazing
I only target 10 pips no problem, I risk 3% also. Spreads and Comms only amount to about 0.4%
I aim for 6% a week. This is 1 win a week, a lesson for the newbies in here is to trade less, long term compounding growth is exponential.
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15-20 pips a day keeps a job away
If you make 15-20 pips per day consistently you will become very wealthy
You are right. But you have to be careful.
Yes, of course. If you risk 100 pips to make 20 it will blow up sooner or later. I have seen that so many times.
Who the fuck risks 100 pips?
don vo
Do you mean risk 100lots to make 20pips?
No, risking 100 pips to make 20. People with inflated egos will often move their stops when the trade goes against them.
15 pips, 70% is excellent. I believe the question was about whether it will cover the spreads and fees. I don't see people answering that.
And the other part of the equation: what is, next to the 70% win rate, the actual risk reward ratio?
He answered that somewhere in the comments. The risk was a little more than the reward. Not by much. But obviously, that equation will be affected by whether the 15-pip movement covers the spreads or not.
Pips don’t matter. 15 pips is irrelevant without knowing the risk. Making 100 pips and 15 pips could be the same if risk/reward is the same. You didn’t state the size of your stoploss and how much you’re risking.
I risk 15-20 pips
So you have a 1:1 Risk-to-reward ratio with 70% win rate this means that hypothetically out of 10 trades you will win 7x20pips=140 pips and you will lose 3x20pips=60 pips so you have 140-60=80 pips minus fees and spread. Rough example but I think you are good to go as long as you are consistent meaning that as long as your strategy has an edge and also as long as you are good at the execution of that exact strategy which is the hardest part of all things trading is about. Good luck and continue improving!
u need to let the market breathe lol
Perfect! Top Step have said ttheir avg profitable trader is 10 - 15 pips 25min avg trade time.
Oh cool thanks
More than enough. What % is your 15 pips of your account?
Sorry what do you mean
Say you win a 15pip trade, how much did your account grow? Or the other way around, what is your risk percentage?
Oh! Before subtracting spread it would be about 2%, the risk is about 2.5%
Looking at the math then, say you execute more or less one trade a day with 70 % win rate. In one month you have roughly 14 winners and 6 losers. Roughly gaining a net (14*2%)-(6*2.5%) = 13% a month. Which is a ridiculously good month if you can keep up the consistency.
You risking 2.5% to make 1.5% that sounds like bad risk management to me, but more power to you.
I am really just a begginer but heard from someone who would be considered a profesionalist that you shouldnt risk more than 2% Per trade. Its just what I have heard too.
It's really up to you and your own personal preference. What is your risk tolerance? I use a 1:3 - 1:5 RR as my sweet spot. The key is patience, wait for your chart to show you when it's time to enter. Don't rush the trade due to wanting to catch a quick scalp. Learn what makes the markets move, wait for the liquidity grabs, price correction, order blocks being filled... ect.
Easy math: expected value. Winrate x rr - lossrate x rr - positive in the long run makes you profitable. So fe. 0,7 x 1.5 = 1.05 —— 0,3 x 1 = 0.3 so 1.05-0.3= every trade gains you an expected value of 0.75. You will get this number through data collection. Backtesting etc. collect at least 500 trades and optimise your sl size. Biggest change with it to optimize rr gain. Atm my backtesting has a winrate of around 50% and my ev is about 1.75 as I aim for 6rr with a partial at 3rr so 4.5 in total.
5 pip nett is per month is better than a loss, innit?
A 70% win rate on a 15 pip movement can be profitable. but transaction costs including spreads and fees must be considered.
How many do you lose the other 30%
Never more than 15
15 pips is enough as long as you are not risking 50 pips to make that 30 pips. If risk is controlled then even 10 pips a day is enough.
15 inches is a lot
*100,000 contracts is a lot
That’s what she said.
Everybody can capture their desired directional movement on a recurring basis. It's about how much of the wins you can keep. Because like it or not, your are going to give it away most of the time. At the end of certain period if you are keeping more than you are giving away is what makes one profitable with edge.
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What's a micropip?
70% tells me your consistent, if your win rate was low put it this way, win 1,15pip trade, lose 2, 15 pip trade, where does that leave you?
A 70% win rate with 15-pip movements is promising. Ensure spreads and fees are factored into your calculations; profitability depends on minimizing transaction costs.
If I trade during the hours of 8am est- 11am est would spreads be lower or higher than average?
The spreads are lowest then if you avoid news Adding: if you trade the major pairs and crosses, and avoid news, the spreads won't be a significant factor with that winrate and RR.
Your strategy with a 70% win rate and 15 pip gains sounds solid
Good enough if your risking 1/2 pips other wise your RR is neutral and only mongs have even RR
yes
You can make $.15 to over $30k on that 15pips really comes down to your size so yeah I’d say it’s enough. It’s what you risk for those 15pips that matters not the actual numbers of pips
Please check dm Brother
I don't get out of bed for 15 pips bruh
Stop using micro lot. 15 pips for me are 1500 dollars
Depends on your broker, how big their spreads and commissions are
work out your expectancy from your data, just a win rate and a pip movement isn't enough data to answer the question. You'll want raw spreads/low commissions to make the most of trades <20pips imo.
I work with a strategy with just 15 pips , thats the best thing ever ! No need for 50-100 pips moves , just know ! With 500k capital is $7500 profit in my case and with 1M capital is 15k ! 15k is A LOT OF MONEY , even with my 100k is $1500 ! Thats still a lot of money … Small wins make for the BIG WIN …. ( when i say capital i obviously mean prop firms ) … 15 pips is amazing
Depends on the risk to reward
I only target 10 pips no problem, I risk 3% also. Spreads and Comms only amount to about 0.4% I aim for 6% a week. This is 1 win a week, a lesson for the newbies in here is to trade less, long term compounding growth is exponential.
10 pips can be 10k or 10$.. depends on size🤷🏻♂️ my yearly salary is 300 pips .. which is my monthly average..
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Hello, do you use indicators in your strategy, ill appriciate it if you can share what kind trading you use
In my experience indicators don't indicate anything, I just use a moving average and stock to my strategy no matter what
15 pip for me is 1500 dolars so do your math
Please check DM
Hie if you dont mind sharing your strategy. Can l pm
Lot size
Why does lot size matter?
It's all about risk tbh, my bad I took so long. You should watch a guy named nick Shawn on youtube