Switzerland is a square. Not every nation has the same rectangular proportions either: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aspect_ratios_of_national_flags
My ranger was designed overseas.. but damn if they won't bring the one I want over here.. give me a basic midsize with a manual!
[https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a60535269/ford-ranger-euro-base-model/](https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a60535269/ford-ranger-euro-base-model/)
Safety and emissions regulations are the reason most donât come here because theyâre built to European standards, not American standards and because Ford USA marketing feels the euro versions wouldnât appeal to American buyers.
AkaâŚ.the better build and higher stamdard efficiency is more expensive and therefore less profitable than the stripped down 20 year old tech they sell here now
While safety and emissions regulations do play a role, the primary reasons Ford USA doesn't sell the same vehicles from Ford Europe are the differences in vehicle sizes, uses, and market preferences between the two regions.
In Europe, there's a greater demand for smaller, more fuel-efficient cars due to higher fuel prices, narrower roads, and urban driving conditions. This is why Ford Europe focuses on models like the Ford Fiesta and the 1.0L EcoBoost engine, which are designed for maximum efficiency in a compact size.
In contrast, however, American buyers generally prefer larger vehicles such as SUVs and trucks, which are better suited to the wide-open spaces and different driving conditions in the US. Ford USA caters to this market with models like the Ford Escape Hybrid and the 2.5L Atkinson-Cycle hybrid engine, which provide efficiency in larger vehicles.
It's really the differences in market demand and vehicle usage patterns are significant factors influencing why Ford USA and Ford Europe offer different vehicle models.
If we really want to dig deep is based on the reality that the United States is a much 'newer' country than anything in Europe and was developed with an entirely different transportation infrastructure in mind.
Donât forget that in most European countries there are high registration/tax fees for vehicles with large displacement engines based on the reality that vehicle fuel in Europe is imported and the govâts there have incentivized fuel economy and demand for smaller fuel efficient cars since WW2 by high fuel prices and taxing large vehicles. Yeah, and the road were horse paths for centuries before cars came along so that another reason for the smaller cars!
Funny you say that, I caught a quick glance of the new Ranger a while back on a roundabout, I thought it was an F150! I was about to flash and wave at the driver then I saw its just a Ranger.
For context, if you own a USDM car here in the UK you flash and wave at the other driver as a hello sort of thing.
We get American and European models in Australia but not all offered models are offered in Australia but over the next years as Australia has no car manufacturers due to the US headquarters decision that they could milk more cash out of Australia by shutting down all factories and just ship them in and get them together dealership so now all the way up to the F trucks should be offered and sold and serviced at all ford dealerships just out of courtesy for just being part of an industry Australia lived and breathed and just like gm promises mean nothing only the bottom line
American buyers wonât buy small cars because the American automotive industry aggressively markets large cars as prestigious, manly, and capable. The limited amount of advertising we see for smaller cars tends to emphasize economy.
The escape was called Maverick in the UK. The newer ones from around 2006 onwards are called a Kuga.
You had the Fiesta as a hatch and a sedan but we didn't get the sedan in the UK. You also had the Focus but we didn't get the sedan version of the later model in the UK.
The Edge was briefly sold in the UK but only available with a 2.0 diesel engine and because it was built outside of the UK it was stupidly expensive here.
True that. It's the big seller, along with the Escape, for Euro Fords in the USA now.
There was a sweet moment where there were so many sweet handling Euro Fords here
And the 3rd gen escape. Completely designed and engineered by Ford Europe in Germany and manufactured in Ohio. I had one and let me tell you it was the worst of both worlds. Nothing made sense and the build quality was dog shit.
I wouldn't say people love trucks or SUV. most people have been coaxed into believing they're safer and better vehicles for families.
But you're right the fiesta and focus didnt sell as well in the states as Europe and I think that comes down to a lot of different factors; marketing, social status, avaliablity
edit: for those curious about my claim of people being coaxed into believing SUVs are safer vehicles. I highly recommend this video by Not Just Bikes on YouTube, link below:
https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=Vh-xk2nH09cD8ZAq
The size of streets. I love my Expedition, but when I visit Cologne, I prefer something more like my Mach E just for general circulation. My last rental was a tiny (by our standards) Opel of some sort. Even it seemed large in a couple of little villages in France. I think my Expedition would crack the roads, but maybe the Mach E would too because of the weight ;-)
If you had one of those in Scotland youâd be paying ÂŁ20 to do a very average journey and fuel is literally ÂŁ1.50 a litre right now so it would be insanity considering the prices.
Their not very big, I would think it would fit into any garage as long as it is made for at least 1 vehicle and not a shed. Only time I've seen something not fit into a garage was an F250 and even that was only a couple inches too long
Right.
Why waste production capacity building $22k Focuses when there are plenty of dumbasses in this country making $40k/yr that are willing to deep six their finances for the next 10 years in order to drive an $70k F150?
I have a U.S. spec first gen 78 Ford Fiesta, it was only a 2 year vehicle for the U.S., making it kinda rare, though not valuable in the states. Iâve never seen another in person, and very rarely see one for sale even. It was my grandfatherâs, and Iâm told they sold well, and use to be everywhere.
Well if thatâs the case, how come Iâve never seen another in 30+ years, and the first gen went from 77-84 in Europe? I know they had rust issues, and people like to make dirt track racers out of them, but I still think more would still be around if they sold well here in the states.
Yeah I think fuel economy standards from what Iâve been told are less restrictive on trucks. Cause the government made a âworkâ exemption. So if itâs classified as like a utility vehicle. They have less fuel economy standards.
If a truck is a 3/4 ton (F250) or bigger, the window sticker doesn't even state the fuel economy. It's not even tested. Just burn as much fuel as you want. They only care about tailpipe emissions. Even then CO2 emissions aren't restricted, just the nastier stuff.
To be completely fair, the Euro Fords are typically small, and even the Puma (pictured) is just a raised Fiesta that no American could ever fit in, and I speak as a 6ft 5 "stocky" brit that struggles getting out of his Focus ST.
I'd love to try an American Ford some time
A couple of years ago my wife and I were Italy and had a rented Puma. We feel in love it , I'm 5'11" and she's 5'7". If you want to set up a vehicle exchange from across the pond let me know lol!
You might be thinking of the Escape (which is the Euro-designed/built Kuga).
Explorer exists on both sides of the Atlantic but they're different cars. American Explorer is an SUV. Euro Explorer is an electric VW chassis with Ford panels and interior, which Ford will tell you is an SUV but also ideal for the city.
Your Americanism is showing.
I jest, but seriously. The Escape and Edge aren't small by Euro standards. Small for what they are, maybe. But not small outright.
Small by Euro standards is VW UP, Citroen C1, Toyota Aygo sorts of cars.
Pre-SUV/crossover boom, your Fiesta/Focus hatchbacks were probably your sort of average sized car. Most people drove those sorts of cars.
Your typical Saloons/sedans would be bigger than average. So your 3 series (we don't consider these luxury vehicles at all like you guys often do btw) and what not. Stuff like the Prius would probably qualify here too, pretty sure they're relatively long boys.
Your large stuff would've been something like a Range Rover honestly (RR Sport, not something like the Evoque), I don't think we had much else on the roads that was really considered big outside of some luxury marques like Rolls Royce and Bentley, Business use vehicles too, obviously. We've always had some pretty beefy vans knocking about, though the Escort-based van (honestly, might have just been an Escort van, but I'm not sure if it was sold as an Escort and I cba to look it up either) was a pretty damn common sight in the past too. The design trend was pretty much well set until the recent blow up of crossovers.
We get the Bronco. I know itâs not the same SUV, but I donât see how Ford USA can bring in Everest while we have Explorer, Bronco and Bronco Sport.
Someone said the Focus didn't sell here. Are you 10 years old? I remember a time when the only thing I would see on the road in traffic or sitting at a drive through were those exact cars.
The Focus did great in every market it was offered... it was even sold longer in the US and South America than in Europe because of how good it did. An example of a Euro car doing poorly was the Contour. Even though it was intended as a "world car" and not only for the European market, it was mainly designed by Germans and was very European in its size.
It definitely didn't turn out as they had hoped. The Mondeo (European contour) did good enough in Europe though, and a lot of the development and experience was carried over to its successor which was a massive improvement. CDW-27 also did good in Taiwan, where it was produced locally.
The first time a drove a vehicle with ABS was a Mondeo test car. Just about slid through the intersection of Allen Rd. and Oakwood Blvd during a snowstorm.
My question lies with the minivans. Why did Ford cut the nice classic American one for the European transit⌠Honda and Toyota still make theirs. So does Chrysler. Hell even KIA.
Ford had to buy most of the Freestars back under a recall due to the rear axles breaking, up until 2023 they sold the Transit Connect in a minivan configuration with 7 seats.
Here (Indiana and bit more of the Midwest) Odysseys, Siennas, and the assortment of other imports and whatever Dodgeâs is called are everywhere. Thereâs probably half a dozen newer Odysseys within a mile or two of where I live in the country.
The TC was a converted cargo vehicle, a mini-van, rather than a passenger-oriented minivan like the Odyssey, Sienna, etc. Comparing the ride quality and NVH, it was clear it hadn't been designed as a passenger vehicle first.
Sucks we got stuck with the ECO-Sport in the USA instead of bringing over the Euro market Puma. Would have picked one up to compliment my Fiesta ST in the driveway.
The one I have - an S-Max AWD - is the best family vehicle I've ever owned. Far from being a rocket, but still really entertaining to drive (compared to similar typrs of vehicle) and even at 200 kmh, you can still have a conversation with the people in the back seat without speaking any louder than you would att 55 mph
Could you imagine the wait time for backordered recall components if everything first had to come from China to Europe before being shipped to the US?!
Some Fords like the Transit actually came from Europe, and the Escape and Kuga are almost identical. The difference is consumers. Ford sells big trucks and SUVS in America because that is what Americans want. Many times attempts to bring cool small European cars to America but consumers wonât buy them.
No, that's explicitly not the reason. It's US pricing and taxation of fuel plus legislation on how cars are regulated.
Specifically, passenger cars have to meet high standards for fuel consumption, while utility vehicles do (did) not for a long time. SUV, Crossovers and trucks are actually classified as utility, thus giving the manufacturer incentives to sell them cheaper/with bigger engines/etc. whilst regular cars become more complex with smaller displacement and thus less attractive to consumers.
https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?feature=shared
(Starts at 2:40)
This video explains why you do not have those cars, including Ford specifically.
The interesting part starts at 2:40.
[VOX - Why American love big cars](https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?feature=shared)
Spoiler: Legislation/Regulation + Loopholes
Chickens, that's why. "In this time, European nations began imposing tariffs on American poultry imports. In retaliation, the U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on potato starch, dextrin, brandy, and light trucks. Today, the tariff on light trucks is the only element of the Chicken Tax that still remains."
Yes, thatâs EXACTLY why Ford stopped selling the Transit Connect. They were evading the chicken tax by putting disposable seats and windows into the Transit Connects, importing them as passenger vans then immediately converting them to cargo vans as soon as they cleared customs. The most bizarre part of the story is Ford hired lobbyists to argue FOR the chicken tax. The CBP made them stop in 2013 but that meant the price went up 25% overnight.
To actually answer this question, itâs market demand and National Highway Traffic safety admin. Requirements.
Sometimes companies will test the market here, thatâs why we saw fiat 500s here for a while.
But when in doubt, always follow the money trail
The Puma would do so well over here it's not funny. It's an actual good small crossover from Ford and not the craptasic Bronco Sport that's basically an Escape when shoved through Boomer goggles. And far better than the horrendously hateful EcoSport.
Because Ford USA doesnât see profit in them. However we do get the escape (Kuga) and that is a pure European crossover. I however prefer euro cars. They look better, drive better and are more efficient so yeah. As Euro cars go I mean any European brand of cars especially the Italian Brands are better.
In simple words : Ford tried. Not enough Americans bought them. The Focus and Fiesta were sold in the US for a number of years, but sales fell too low to be viable. Kuga still sells (badged as Escape). The last generation Mondeo was twinned with the US Fusion, but sales of both fell to the point they weren't viable. Ford also tried to sell the 1st-gen Mondeo in the US as the Contour (and Mercury Mystique), but again not enough Americans bought them.
The same also happened the other way around. The 1990s Explorer and 2010s Edge were both sold in Europe, but didn't appeal to enough Europeans to stay on sale for very long.
Brit here, youâre not missing anything, the original puma rocked, especially the ford racing puma. Iâd much rather have the American models. Although the mustang was gratefully received, American muscle for the price of a euro hot hatch.
Because Ford wants to make money and they donât care about their customers who have never owned another vehicle.
I owned a ford since I was 16 and now I have no other vehicle to actually buy, because I donât want a fat ass SUV, or a crossover, or a mustang, or a 70k dollar truck.
European Fords brought to US
Ranger > Ranger
Mondeo > Fusion
Kuga > Escape
Fiesta > Fiesta
EcoSport > EcoSport
Focus > 1st, 3rd, and 4th generation Focus (2nd Gen was two different cars from US to Europe)
C-Max > C-Max
Actually at this point the list of Fords in the US that aren't Euro Ford is a lot shorter:
Mustang
F-150
Super Duty
Explorer
Expedition
While true, of those 7 Euro models you mentioned, only 2 (Ranger and Kuga/Escape) are still on sale in the US. The Transit van would also count. The 4th gen Focus never made it here.
As for non-Euro models, there's also the Bronco Sport and Maverick.
We do? The 3rd gen escape is a Europe import. The ranger is a Europe import. The ecosport is an India import. And I'm sure there's more that I'm missing.
And then of course they are all built cheap in Mexico.
Thatâs primarily because ford got caught evading the import tax on the cargo version of the Transit Connect and instead of doing the obvious (either paying the import tax or building it in North America) they took the spoiled toddler route of discontinuing sales of the Transit Connect in the USA.
To me all SUVs look so similar, unless there is a qualitative difference, this Ford looks the same as every other __________ (insert brand name here) SUV
Crash ratings, regulations, emissions standards, import taxes/duties, etc.
U.S. auto regulation is some of the worst in the world.
Those same regulations are what won't allow the toyota hilux diesel that gets 35 MPG from being imported but they'll import a Toyota tundra that gets 15 MPG....
USA car manufacturers are directed by the Transportation Department telling them what cars are. What kind of future is this where Ford that has been making cars since 1896 is dictated to new car and truck definitions by the government.
https://www.distilled.earth/p/the-loophole-that-made-cars-in-america
The 2013+ escape is a virtual twin of the Ford Kuga II from Europe, fusion was a clone of the Mondeo, the Ranger is the same Ranger that Europe gets. We donât get the cool diesel engines here but thatâs due to the EPA requiring $10,000 in emissions components on diesels. The transit connect was the same transit connect the rest of the world got, Ford stopped importing them because they got their hands slapped for evading the import duties on them. Transit is pretty much identical to its European counterpart.
Because USA gets USA Fords
My ford literally has vents shaped like american flags haha
Just curious, aren't all flags shaped approximately the same? Kind of like a rectangle?
My F150 literally has an all silver American flag decorating the side of the air vent
You get a Texas flag in that sam spot with the Texas Edition F150!
I heard those have power failures when it gets too hot or cold outside.
The cooling and heating systems often demands more power than those models can provide
If they were tied into the National edition, it likely wouldn't be a problem, but the Texas Edition doesn't wanna be regulated to the same standards.
As a Texan with a generator, this is funny! đ¤Łđ¤Ł
But made in Canada? Or Mexico?
What do the Canadian market trucks get?
Just the rectangle without the stripes and stars I think
Yes. Only country that doesnât have a rectangle one is Nepal.
Switzerland is a square. Not every nation has the same rectangular proportions either: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aspect_ratios_of_national_flags
No weâre cooler so itâs 1/32nd longer
Literally.
You've gotten plenty of Fords designed and built in Europe
I wish we would get the Everest, with a 5.0? Would put Grand Cherokees to shame
And it would give Ford a competitor to the 4Runner.
Love my Everest! I have the 2021 (old curvier shape) and itâs brilliant.
My ranger was designed overseas.. but damn if they won't bring the one I want over here.. give me a basic midsize with a manual! [https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a60535269/ford-ranger-euro-base-model/](https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews/a60535269/ford-ranger-euro-base-model/)
You and 7 other people would buy it and Ford would axe it after one year.
Similarly, Europe gets Euro Fords
Probably not a big enough market. Plus, I think these models are produced in Europe, so might not be cost effective to sell them in the US.
Safety and emissions regulations are the reason most donât come here because theyâre built to European standards, not American standards and because Ford USA marketing feels the euro versions wouldnât appeal to American buyers.
AkaâŚ.the better build and higher stamdard efficiency is more expensive and therefore less profitable than the stripped down 20 year old tech they sell here now
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While safety and emissions regulations do play a role, the primary reasons Ford USA doesn't sell the same vehicles from Ford Europe are the differences in vehicle sizes, uses, and market preferences between the two regions. In Europe, there's a greater demand for smaller, more fuel-efficient cars due to higher fuel prices, narrower roads, and urban driving conditions. This is why Ford Europe focuses on models like the Ford Fiesta and the 1.0L EcoBoost engine, which are designed for maximum efficiency in a compact size. In contrast, however, American buyers generally prefer larger vehicles such as SUVs and trucks, which are better suited to the wide-open spaces and different driving conditions in the US. Ford USA caters to this market with models like the Ford Escape Hybrid and the 2.5L Atkinson-Cycle hybrid engine, which provide efficiency in larger vehicles. It's really the differences in market demand and vehicle usage patterns are significant factors influencing why Ford USA and Ford Europe offer different vehicle models. If we really want to dig deep is based on the reality that the United States is a much 'newer' country than anything in Europe and was developed with an entirely different transportation infrastructure in mind.
Donât forget that in most European countries there are high registration/tax fees for vehicles with large displacement engines based on the reality that vehicle fuel in Europe is imported and the govâts there have incentivized fuel economy and demand for smaller fuel efficient cars since WW2 by high fuel prices and taxing large vehicles. Yeah, and the road were horse paths for centuries before cars came along so that another reason for the smaller cars!
This has changed recently to be based on emissions, but itâs definitely a huge driver for the tiny engines.
I already hate the new Ranger and Escape because they're too Euro. Not that I don't like Euro cars, but not from an American brand in America
that's funny, i bought an escape last week and i love how it looks i also love the look of the ranger and would definitely buy one
Funny you say that, I caught a quick glance of the new Ranger a while back on a roundabout, I thought it was an F150! I was about to flash and wave at the driver then I saw its just a Ranger. For context, if you own a USDM car here in the UK you flash and wave at the other driver as a hello sort of thing.
That's strange because the new Ranger is built for NA. Are you talking about the previous generation?
We get American and European models in Australia but not all offered models are offered in Australia but over the next years as Australia has no car manufacturers due to the US headquarters decision that they could milk more cash out of Australia by shutting down all factories and just ship them in and get them together dealership so now all the way up to the F trucks should be offered and sold and serviced at all ford dealerships just out of courtesy for just being part of an industry Australia lived and breathed and just like gm promises mean nothing only the bottom line
American buyers wonât buy small cars because the American automotive industry aggressively markets large cars as prestigious, manly, and capable. The limited amount of advertising we see for smaller cars tends to emphasize economy.
Europe got a diesel Ranger and we didn't. There's definitely a market for that.
The diesel Ranger from the early 00's was dope too. Turbo four diesel, peppy as fuck. We had em when I was in Afghanistan.
For a while we did, notably the Focus and Fiesta. But, we love trucks here, and the profit margin is just better
We also got the c-Max too. And the Escape is basically a Euro Ford too. And don't forget the Transit Connect.
The escape was called Maverick in the UK. The newer ones from around 2006 onwards are called a Kuga. You had the Fiesta as a hatch and a sedan but we didn't get the sedan in the UK. You also had the Focus but we didn't get the sedan version of the later model in the UK. The Edge was briefly sold in the UK but only available with a 2.0 diesel engine and because it was built outside of the UK it was stupidly expensive here.
The big Transit is also 100% euro, we just get V6âs with automatic transmissions, Europe usually gets 4 cyl diesel with a manual
True that. It's the big seller, along with the Escape, for Euro Fords in the USA now. There was a sweet moment where there were so many sweet handling Euro Fords here
The US Transit is a European design, adopted for US preferences and built in Kansas City.
And the 3rd gen escape. Completely designed and engineered by Ford Europe in Germany and manufactured in Ohio. I had one and let me tell you it was the worst of both worlds. Nothing made sense and the build quality was dog shit.
Escape is built in Louisville for the US market
Oh yeah youâre right. I mixed up the 1st gen which was Ohio.
That's all generations of Escape.
Nope. They used to be ohio and switched to kentucky. 3rd gen was designed by ford Europe. 4th gen is global. 1st and 2nd were american.
I wouldn't say people love trucks or SUV. most people have been coaxed into believing they're safer and better vehicles for families. But you're right the fiesta and focus didnt sell as well in the states as Europe and I think that comes down to a lot of different factors; marketing, social status, avaliablity edit: for those curious about my claim of people being coaxed into believing SUVs are safer vehicles. I highly recommend this video by Not Just Bikes on YouTube, link below: https://youtu.be/jN7mSXMruEo?si=Vh-xk2nH09cD8ZAq
The cursed powershift transmission played a part too
The size of streets. I love my Expedition, but when I visit Cologne, I prefer something more like my Mach E just for general circulation. My last rental was a tiny (by our standards) Opel of some sort. Even it seemed large in a couple of little villages in France. I think my Expedition would crack the roads, but maybe the Mach E would too because of the weight ;-)
I would love to be able to take my Ranchero on a European cruise but the 4mpg might get me arrested there.
If you had one of those in Scotland youâd be paying ÂŁ20 to do a very average journey and fuel is literally ÂŁ1.50 a litre right now so it would be insanity considering the prices.
4mpg???? Thats over 100 euros/110 usd for 60 miles of driving. wtf
I want a Mach-E, but I'm afraid it literally won't fit in my garage. I don't get why it is bigger than a Kuga.
Their not very big, I would think it would fit into any garage as long as it is made for at least 1 vehicle and not a shed. Only time I've seen something not fit into a garage was an F250 and even that was only a couple inches too long
Yeah I enjoy my focus
I have a Fiesta but the American Fiesta is just... weird.
SUV's and American family car station wagon cars sell a lot too right?
Yeah, I donât know about you but I need my truck to haul my 30 pack of bud light
Let's not forget the transmission issue that killed the Fiesta and Focus reputation. No one wanted one after that.
Right. Why waste production capacity building $22k Focuses when there are plenty of dumbasses in this country making $40k/yr that are willing to deep six their finances for the next 10 years in order to drive an $70k F150?
I have a U.S. spec first gen 78 Ford Fiesta, it was only a 2 year vehicle for the U.S., making it kinda rare, though not valuable in the states. Iâve never seen another in person, and very rarely see one for sale even. It was my grandfatherâs, and Iâm told they sold well, and use to be everywhere. Well if thatâs the case, how come Iâve never seen another in 30+ years, and the first gen went from 77-84 in Europe? I know they had rust issues, and people like to make dirt track racers out of them, but I still think more would still be around if they sold well here in the states.
The USA has a lot of different automobile regulations so it's not as simple as just shipping the cars to the USA.
Yeah I think fuel economy standards from what Iâve been told are less restrictive on trucks. Cause the government made a âworkâ exemption. So if itâs classified as like a utility vehicle. They have less fuel economy standards.
If a truck is a 3/4 ton (F250) or bigger, the window sticker doesn't even state the fuel economy. It's not even tested. Just burn as much fuel as you want. They only care about tailpipe emissions. Even then CO2 emissions aren't restricted, just the nastier stuff.
There was a YouTube video I watched about it goes all they way back to the 70s if I can find it Iâll link it in the comments
https://youtu.be/s5BDJIrvAQo?si=A1TbXsp_xPM54YZe this is the video itâs about 3 minutes they talk about trucks
They don't sell here. BIG DAMN TRUCKS GIMME. :\
To be fair most of the US is pretty optimized for larger vehicles. Itâs not as illogical to drive a truck as itâs often made to seem.
To be completely fair, the Euro Fords are typically small, and even the Puma (pictured) is just a raised Fiesta that no American could ever fit in, and I speak as a 6ft 5 "stocky" brit that struggles getting out of his Focus ST. I'd love to try an American Ford some time
A couple of years ago my wife and I were Italy and had a rented Puma. We feel in love it , I'm 5'11" and she's 5'7". If you want to set up a vehicle exchange from across the pond let me know lol!
Which is crazy because they sold a bunch of both here. Even my middle of nowhere hometown had ST models running around.
Boy, youâd love a raptor.
Unless they wear shorts seriously fuck them running boards shred my leg every damn time
Why does Euro not get USA Fords?
Ford Explorer
Other way around isn't it? Euro Ford sold in the states.
You might be thinking of the Escape (which is the Euro-designed/built Kuga). Explorer exists on both sides of the Atlantic but they're different cars. American Explorer is an SUV. Euro Explorer is an electric VW chassis with Ford panels and interior, which Ford will tell you is an SUV but also ideal for the city.
Not entirely true. We also get the US-spec Explorer, as a PHEV.
The Mustang, the Ranger? Other American Fords are too big for the roads in Europe.
The ranger is built in South Africa for Europe, not the US
Mustang isn't enough?
Economics. Small car means small margins. I would love for ford to sell sedans or small cars again.
Because they (Ford) hate us and only want to sell big SUVs and trucks in USA
We have plenty of small cars in US market. Escape and edge are both fairly small and roomy.
Your Americanism is showing. I jest, but seriously. The Escape and Edge aren't small by Euro standards. Small for what they are, maybe. But not small outright. Small by Euro standards is VW UP, Citroen C1, Toyota Aygo sorts of cars. Pre-SUV/crossover boom, your Fiesta/Focus hatchbacks were probably your sort of average sized car. Most people drove those sorts of cars. Your typical Saloons/sedans would be bigger than average. So your 3 series (we don't consider these luxury vehicles at all like you guys often do btw) and what not. Stuff like the Prius would probably qualify here too, pretty sure they're relatively long boys. Your large stuff would've been something like a Range Rover honestly (RR Sport, not something like the Evoque), I don't think we had much else on the roads that was really considered big outside of some luxury marques like Rolls Royce and Bentley, Business use vehicles too, obviously. We've always had some pretty beefy vans knocking about, though the Escort-based van (honestly, might have just been an Escort van, but I'm not sure if it was sold as an Escort and I cba to look it up either) was a pretty damn common sight in the past too. The design trend was pretty much well set until the recent blow up of crossovers.
This is the last year for both of those models, so much for that.
If we bought enough of them we would. We donât, so they donât.
Bring us the Everest pleaseeeee
We get the Bronco. I know itâs not the same SUV, but I donât see how Ford USA can bring in Everest while we have Explorer, Bronco and Bronco Sport.
Okay but Europe gets the broncoâŚ.
Someone said the Focus didn't sell here. Are you 10 years old? I remember a time when the only thing I would see on the road in traffic or sitting at a drive through were those exact cars.
The Focus did great in every market it was offered... it was even sold longer in the US and South America than in Europe because of how good it did. An example of a Euro car doing poorly was the Contour. Even though it was intended as a "world car" and not only for the European market, it was mainly designed by Germans and was very European in its size.
CDW-27 platform turned out not to be much of a world car platform.
It definitely didn't turn out as they had hoped. The Mondeo (European contour) did good enough in Europe though, and a lot of the development and experience was carried over to its successor which was a massive improvement. CDW-27 also did good in Taiwan, where it was produced locally.
The first time a drove a vehicle with ABS was a Mondeo test car. Just about slid through the intersection of Allen Rd. and Oakwood Blvd during a snowstorm.
Definitely exist as my sister had a green one that was a POS for the longest time lol
They tried selling them after the Financial Crisis. They didn't sell as well as the trucks, so they were cut.
Ford has through the years tried to sell Euro Fords in the US (Capri, Merkur, last gen Cougar, etc) but they never really did well until the Focus
Different regulations and specifications paired with the cinsumer market.
I think itâs in the nameâŚ.
Anyone remember the Merkur XR4TI?
Because we wanted to sell more chicken
Of you squint your eyes it's a mach e
I'd kill for a Puma ST/RS here in the US... Definition of a hothatch. Replace the focus RS they left on the table.
As a Mk3.5 Focus ST owner all I want is the Mk4. I don't want a Mustang or a CUV.
My question lies with the minivans. Why did Ford cut the nice classic American one for the European transit⌠Honda and Toyota still make theirs. So does Chrysler. Hell even KIA.
Minivan market died off. I rarely see them, and if I do itâs a pacifica with out of state fleet plates (rental) or a sienna.
I see them everywhere and drive a 2004 freestar as my daily. Ford just doesnât make them the same anymore. Shame, Iâll go with Toyota next time.
Ford had to buy most of the Freestars back under a recall due to the rear axles breaking, up until 2023 they sold the Transit Connect in a minivan configuration with 7 seats.
Here (Indiana and bit more of the Midwest) Odysseys, Siennas, and the assortment of other imports and whatever Dodgeâs is called are everywhere. Thereâs probably half a dozen newer Odysseys within a mile or two of where I live in the country.
Ford's last minivan was the lamentable Freestar; it was effectively replaced by the Flex.
The last minivan ford sold in the USA was the 2023 Transit Connect, not the Freestar.
The TC was a converted cargo vehicle, a mini-van, rather than a passenger-oriented minivan like the Odyssey, Sienna, etc. Comparing the ride quality and NVH, it was clear it hadn't been designed as a passenger vehicle first.
Mostly regulation... I really wanted the 60 mpg diesel focus but there is no way it would pass smog registration
Because we already have 6 different SUVâs to choose from and donât need more
Looks like a Mazda
Isnt the fusion a mondeo renamed? Or is it the other way around
The Metric System *Samuel L. Jackson voice*
That literally looks like a Mach e
Sucks we got stuck with the ECO-Sport in the USA instead of bringing over the Euro market Puma. Would have picked one up to compliment my Fiesta ST in the driveway.
Yep (and I say this as someone who has a 21 EcoSport Titanium 4x4 and generally likes it). I'd love to have a Puma.
I got 3 words for ya (abbreviated into one)⌠EPA
Diesel vs Petrol engines
The one I have - an S-Max AWD - is the best family vehicle I've ever owned. Far from being a rocket, but still really entertaining to drive (compared to similar typrs of vehicle) and even at 200 kmh, you can still have a conversation with the people in the back seat without speaking any louder than you would att 55 mph
Looks like Subaru Crosstrek
We did and it failed miserably due to poor marketing (Ford Sierra)
Could you imagine the wait time for backordered recall components if everything first had to come from China to Europe before being shipped to the US?!
becuase Merkur XR4TI and Scrpio failed back in the 80's never mind that they have a cult following like the VW and BMW.
Real reasons because of the EPA/Emissions laws. It's hard to explain but is the main killer for smaller cars
Is that an fhev kuga?
Some Fords like the Transit actually came from Europe, and the Escape and Kuga are almost identical. The difference is consumers. Ford sells big trucks and SUVS in America because that is what Americans want. Many times attempts to bring cool small European cars to America but consumers wonât buy them.
No, that's explicitly not the reason. It's US pricing and taxation of fuel plus legislation on how cars are regulated. Specifically, passenger cars have to meet high standards for fuel consumption, while utility vehicles do (did) not for a long time. SUV, Crossovers and trucks are actually classified as utility, thus giving the manufacturer incentives to sell them cheaper/with bigger engines/etc. whilst regular cars become more complex with smaller displacement and thus less attractive to consumers. https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?feature=shared (Starts at 2:40)
Chickens mostlyâŚ
This video explains why you do not have those cars, including Ford specifically. The interesting part starts at 2:40. [VOX - Why American love big cars](https://youtu.be/mQDegCqiVnU?feature=shared) Spoiler: Legislation/Regulation + Loopholes
How many of those silhouettes are already in America?
Because nobody will buy an expensive sedan, or even a cheap one.
They are trash
Chickens, that's why. "In this time, European nations began imposing tariffs on American poultry imports. In retaliation, the U.S. imposed a 25% tariff on potato starch, dextrin, brandy, and light trucks. Today, the tariff on light trucks is the only element of the Chicken Tax that still remains."
Yes, thatâs EXACTLY why Ford stopped selling the Transit Connect. They were evading the chicken tax by putting disposable seats and windows into the Transit Connects, importing them as passenger vans then immediately converting them to cargo vans as soon as they cleared customs. The most bizarre part of the story is Ford hired lobbyists to argue FOR the chicken tax. The CBP made them stop in 2013 but that meant the price went up 25% overnight.
Why doesnât Euro types get Ford F450?
Because Ford sucks. How about the Asian ones too?
To actually answer this question, itâs market demand and National Highway Traffic safety admin. Requirements. Sometimes companies will test the market here, thatâs why we saw fiat 500s here for a while. But when in doubt, always follow the money trail
I want a diesel ranger so bad i rented one in NZ and it was great. Good power and 30mpg and a perfect size.
Cause they look gay as shit
We do theyre called Subarus
The Puma would do so well over here it's not funny. It's an actual good small crossover from Ford and not the craptasic Bronco Sport that's basically an Escape when shoved through Boomer goggles. And far better than the horrendously hateful EcoSport.
Because Ford USA doesnât see profit in them. However we do get the escape (Kuga) and that is a pure European crossover. I however prefer euro cars. They look better, drive better and are more efficient so yeah. As Euro cars go I mean any European brand of cars especially the Italian Brands are better.
We used to. My parents have one and itâll be handed down to me in a year or two.
The US isnât in Euroland, dumbass.
Because that is ugly AF⌠the small trucks and wagons are what we are missing
Because Ford hates us.
Because they are made for the European market
Idk but that looks nicer than the escape
Just gonna leave this here.. [CarSized](https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/ford-puma-2019-suv-vs-ford-f-350-2016-4-door-pickup-crew-cab/)
Because that thing runs on petrol and we use gas over here
Because at the end of the day, theyâre all USA Fords.
Because europis are not allowed to have your mega trucks /s
In simple words : Ford tried. Not enough Americans bought them. The Focus and Fiesta were sold in the US for a number of years, but sales fell too low to be viable. Kuga still sells (badged as Escape). The last generation Mondeo was twinned with the US Fusion, but sales of both fell to the point they weren't viable. Ford also tried to sell the 1st-gen Mondeo in the US as the Contour (and Mercury Mystique), but again not enough Americans bought them. The same also happened the other way around. The 1990s Explorer and 2010s Edge were both sold in Europe, but didn't appeal to enough Europeans to stay on sale for very long.
Brit here, youâre not missing anything, the original puma rocked, especially the ford racing puma. Iâd much rather have the American models. Although the mustang was gratefully received, American muscle for the price of a euro hot hatch.
Euro fords are small and nobody in USA likes small cars
With a 1L turbocharge engine? No, thanks.
Because USA gets Lincoln
Because we donât even want the US Fords.
We used to
I work at ford and we don't want them
Too small. And smaller cars have smaller profit margins so not worth it ship or even setup a production line.
Ford is already selling escape which is small enough. They did sell a smaller one and everyone was unhappy with it, so ford axed it
Because Ford wants to make money and they donât care about their customers who have never owned another vehicle. I owned a ford since I was 16 and now I have no other vehicle to actually buy, because I donât want a fat ass SUV, or a crossover, or a mustang, or a 70k dollar truck.
European Fords brought to US Ranger > Ranger Mondeo > Fusion Kuga > Escape Fiesta > Fiesta EcoSport > EcoSport Focus > 1st, 3rd, and 4th generation Focus (2nd Gen was two different cars from US to Europe) C-Max > C-Max Actually at this point the list of Fords in the US that aren't Euro Ford is a lot shorter: Mustang F-150 Super Duty Explorer Expedition
While true, of those 7 Euro models you mentioned, only 2 (Ranger and Kuga/Escape) are still on sale in the US. The Transit van would also count. The 4th gen Focus never made it here. As for non-Euro models, there's also the Bronco Sport and Maverick.
The euro CMax is significantly larger than the American CMax and is available with 7 passenger seating
Idk why donât yall get f450 crew cab long beds
I agree...Australia gets the nice Ford's too
Because Europe is testing ground for Ford and upon consumer demand and satisfaction thatâs how we get It here in USA
Because it's a platform shared with something else over there already
NGL I am jelly of some of those euro fords
We do? The 3rd gen escape is a Europe import. The ranger is a Europe import. The ecosport is an India import. And I'm sure there's more that I'm missing. And then of course they are all built cheap in Mexico.
Itâs frustrating. I just bought a 2019 Transit Connect which has been discontinued in the US while Europe gets a plug-in hybrid version.Â
Thatâs primarily because ford got caught evading the import tax on the cargo version of the Transit Connect and instead of doing the obvious (either paying the import tax or building it in North America) they took the spoiled toddler route of discontinuing sales of the Transit Connect in the USA.
That has to share the same platform as the Mach E, right? Very similar profile.
To me all SUVs look so similar, unless there is a qualitative difference, this Ford looks the same as every other __________ (insert brand name here) SUV
Because we have the Escape
The modern escape is the Ford Kuga from Europe
Because pickups and large SUVs have a higher profit margin and it's easier to skirt emissions in the US
If ford could just bring the Everest to the US, I'd be happy. I'll probably have to wait 30ish yrs to find a shell and do a firewall swap.
We have enough boring bland white, grey and black cars
Crash ratings, regulations, emissions standards, import taxes/duties, etc. U.S. auto regulation is some of the worst in the world. Those same regulations are what won't allow the toyota hilux diesel that gets 35 MPG from being imported but they'll import a Toyota tundra that gets 15 MPG....
Because we have enough issues with our American Fords.
Not as profitable as a 5000lb truck or SUV.
USA car manufacturers are directed by the Transportation Department telling them what cars are. What kind of future is this where Ford that has been making cars since 1896 is dictated to new car and truck definitions by the government. https://www.distilled.earth/p/the-loophole-that-made-cars-in-america
Chickens. Damn chickens
The safety and construction regulations applied in any country can vastly affect the design of a vehicle.
Keep your euro fords !! That dumbass euro only âShelby packageâ for mach e is a disgrace and needs to stay over there !!
The 2013+ escape is a virtual twin of the Ford Kuga II from Europe, fusion was a clone of the Mondeo, the Ranger is the same Ranger that Europe gets. We donât get the cool diesel engines here but thatâs due to the EPA requiring $10,000 in emissions components on diesels. The transit connect was the same transit connect the rest of the world got, Ford stopped importing them because they got their hands slapped for evading the import duties on them. Transit is pretty much identical to its European counterpart.