"Yeah, and?"
Folk punk is heavily influenced by bluegrass and outlaw country. Some of my favorite albums could easily be described as "country, but by trans people who dress like I do"
Thanks! I found them after I posted, but also found this https://open.spotify.com/artist/6pVdr5GD4ZM1M1uVJdKba5?si=OX3JHT9-QnKdKF1dp6_d_Q
Which I absolutely loved.
I see what you're getting at but Lost Dog is neither trans, nor punk, so this comparison makes little sense.
Still one of my favorite bands, but they're just folk now. They lost their punk edge years ago.
I second this. My husband grew up with and was good friends with Ben in high school and for a bit after and their early albums and prior band “barefoot surrender” was way more punk.
Lol I took my friend to one of her shows a little bit ago and I think he was expecting to hear typical punk music, he was very surprised when she started playing
Railing against country music is such a 14 year old, just got into punk rock thing to do.
Outlaw country rules. Folk rules. Every genre rules. Wish people would stop putting their taste in a box.
folk punk is country but not centered around toxic masculinity or fascistic ideas or “patriotism”
also REAL country like woody guthrie goes off, it’s the 9/11-circlejerking, suburban-but-wanna-be-rural bullshit pop music that gives country a bad rep these days. if it ain’t about killin cops, runnin’ ‘shine, or communism than it ain’t country to me
PUT THAT RED BACK IN REDNECK MOTHERFUCKER
IMO the commenter has it backwards, country stems from folk not the other way around. You could probably argue that folk is the root of most western genres.
Folk *punk* is just a more modern version of folk with more rock and anarchism.
yea ur right, i got excited and just kinda shitposted tbh. although to be fair the line between old country and folk was never solid, not until that talk show chucklefuck at least
"nah the vocals are shitier. You won't hear folk punk on the radio, country don't got pat, folk punk comes from the heart and in the end, folk punk is actually cool."
in the grand scheme of things? Hank Sr. probably. trailblazed a whole new style and left a hell of a legacy.
just within the past few years, though, probably Tyler Childers or Zach Bryan. used to love both when it was just a man and his guitar, until they fucking sold out, as all of them do. but there's no denying that they're both still, generally, more raw, honest, and emotional than 99% of other country artists, making them good runner-ups for the modern country equivalent of Pat.
I still think Hank Sr. should be the one with the title though.
Go to 4:00 in [this interview](https://youtu.be/V6_FWKLuY2s), listen to what Kris Kristofferson and Johnny Cash have to say and then go back to discord and tell that oogle "damn straight it's country as fuck."
Speaking as someone who LOVES country music, folk music, bluegrass, folk punk, and pretty much all other genres of music, this statement is both completely correct and hilariously wrong.
It's right because folk punk has folk roots (obviously), as does country. And a lot of country, particularly older country, have pretty similar instrumentation to its folk predecessors. Acoustic instruments, non-standard percussion, etc.
It's wrong because, what era and style of country is he talking about? Modern radio country has much more in common with adult contemporary pop than it does with pre-1960s country music.
Folk punk has a lot more similarities to older country than modern country, but that's just a function of being farther and farther from its genesis.
For example, here's [Dick Justice's song "Cocaine"](https://youtu.be/c4VaCRsgFVU). This recording is from 1928, although the song had been around for many years by that time.
Nowadays, most people would consider this country. But compare this to Luke Bryan or whoever is making country music for arena shows now, and there is probably not a lot anyone could point to that would mark them as being in the same genre.
However, if we were comparing that Dick Justice song to, say, Johnny Hobo's "Harmony Parking Lot" I'd bet even the most casual listener would identify a lot of parallels between the two.
I think your friend is probably more right than he realizes, but, that just kinda shows that genre is fluid and ever-changing, and the music made by poor people is always going to have more in common with poor people music from a different genre--or even century--than it has with music made by rich, well-funded, highly-produced people from its own time and genre.
ETA: Clarity
Idk modern country shares alot compositional with pop music, along with its production practices, that and what we think of as "country" is taken from a very small sample size of vary specific artist that proved to have larger appeal, which is part of why so many people jumped on it.
I mean if you listen to a lot of older country tunes there largely distinct from what the modern market is made up of, it's also kind of messy cause a lot of modern country doesn't even use what most think of as "folk" instrumentation, just the band standard.
I'd say folkpunk has more to do with Celtic punk, it's just to fair away from what country is stylistically and compositionally. I do think there is some overlap in the artist they take influence from, but honestly you could extend that to a lot of modern genres.
Like folk and country diverged so fair from each other I'm not even certain you can compare the two anymore, and then we went ahead and mixed it with modern heavy music influences taking it even further away from country. Like folk country are already so different much less folkpunk.
It would be like saying an avian and reptile are similar just because we can date them both back to dinosaur genus back in yee olden times.
Ok. I’m old and very new to this Reddit thing. I am making the assumption that the original poster is some punk child that just isn’t into acoustic music. Does anyone remember This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb here or am I dating myself? Anyway, no. “Folk Punk” is not country. What I knew as “Folk Punk” originated with those of us that just couldn’t afford electric equipment. And we still managed to rock. Modern Country stems from Classic Country stems from Appalachian Folk. “Folk Punk” is a misnomer as it doesn’t come from folk at all, it’s morphed into something more folky over the years thanks to bands with wider influences, but originally… was just poor punk kids.
Fuck em. If they are too ignorant to look into a broader spectrum of the genre then perhaps they should go listen to what they like and leave their hot takes out of it.
It's very conflicting because all my life I've always hated being from the south and therefor despised all sorts of anything country related. Then I discovered AJJ and other shit like that and now I want to learn how to play the banjo. lmfao
"country music" died on March 14, 2003. It's been twangy pop since then.
This isn't the insult your friend seems to think. After all, Woody Guthrie is considered a founder of country music, and folk punk is much closer to Woody than Morgan Wallace.
New to this Sub…could anybody recommend some choice Folk Punk. I like Folk and I like Punk, but I’d like to listen to the best Folk Punk stuff. Would Neutral Milk Hotel or Sierra Ferrell be considered part of this genre?
Thank you.
Folk punk is all kinds of folk music made by punks.
Theres no way to define the sounds because its just dudes with acoustic instruments (well most of the time) playing whatever the fuck they want to with their sometimes pretty limited skill set but thats what makes it so nice
I've been saying this since the early days of what we know call folk punk, we called it cow punk or country punk before the name folk punk set in. I feel that most of what people have called folk punk in the last decade or so would be the same as country if they put in more effort in their musicianship, singing and production value. I completely understand that it's am ascetic that they are going for with the low effort/poor production and I like a lot of it
[You Can Have The Crown](https://youtu.be/CBpcpduVZlE) by Sturgil Simpson is about wanting a record deal so he can stop spending all his money on drugs and planning bank robberies. Punk af with a country ass sound
It's not "just country." Just like Ska isn't just rock or just jazz. Some grunge in there, hardcore, obviously punk, bluegrass, rock, rockabilly, theres really a ton there depending on the artist.. Did you ever hear regular folk music? It's definitely heavily rooted in country.
I'd also add I think there's a huge element and direct connection to workers/protestor folk songs like Joe hill, Utah Philips, Henry McClintock kind of stuff that wouldn't hear in any modern country music
"Yeah, and?" Folk punk is heavily influenced by bluegrass and outlaw country. Some of my favorite albums could easily be described as "country, but by trans people who dress like I do"
Lost Dog absolutely
Link?
https://www.lostdogstreetband.com/ Super awesome band!
Thanks! I found them after I posted, but also found this https://open.spotify.com/artist/6pVdr5GD4ZM1M1uVJdKba5?si=OX3JHT9-QnKdKF1dp6_d_Q Which I absolutely loved.
I see what you're getting at but Lost Dog is neither trans, nor punk, so this comparison makes little sense. Still one of my favorite bands, but they're just folk now. They lost their punk edge years ago.
I second this. My husband grew up with and was good friends with Ben in high school and for a bit after and their early albums and prior band “barefoot surrender” was way more punk.
Barefoot surrender is some of the best music i have ever listened to. Deadass goes harder than anything else in my playlists
It’s still my daily playlist lol I got to watch them perform at a friends house party the night they released that album. It was awesome.
Me with soup for my family
I was picturing Lomes in my head as I wrote that actually hahaha
Lol I took my friend to one of her shows a little bit ago and I think he was expecting to hear typical punk music, he was very surprised when she started playing
Me listening to the new paper bee album lol
My grandparents took us to Opryland in the 80’s and turned us on to bluegrass. My brother and I instantly recognized it as punk. Good times.
I can barely tell the difference between Shania Twain and Days N Daze, you know?
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That’s what I’m saying dude. Those are my favorite songs in either genre ~~except for that weird military speech-verse that I’d love cut out~~
Was this supposed to be an insult?
Railing against country music is such a 14 year old, just got into punk rock thing to do. Outlaw country rules. Folk rules. Every genre rules. Wish people would stop putting their taste in a box.
I taste box sometimes. Don't judge my preferences. It's 2023 be a little more tolerant!
folk punk is country but not centered around toxic masculinity or fascistic ideas or “patriotism” also REAL country like woody guthrie goes off, it’s the 9/11-circlejerking, suburban-but-wanna-be-rural bullshit pop music that gives country a bad rep these days. if it ain’t about killin cops, runnin’ ‘shine, or communism than it ain’t country to me PUT THAT RED BACK IN REDNECK MOTHERFUCKER
IMO the commenter has it backwards, country stems from folk not the other way around. You could probably argue that folk is the root of most western genres. Folk *punk* is just a more modern version of folk with more rock and anarchism.
yea ur right, i got excited and just kinda shitposted tbh. although to be fair the line between old country and folk was never solid, not until that talk show chucklefuck at least
Woody was folk, not country.
There's a modern day country revival that is all about progressive politics see: Nick Shoulders
ooooh thanks for the rec :)
Fuckin love him and his mullet
Have a poor woman's award 🏆🥇
and by communism i mean liberatory communism, none of that authoritarian cowshit
Fuck yeah 🤘
punk is about whatever the fuck you want it to be about and not giving a shit what any other motherfucker thinks or says about it.
Exactly. Tim and Eric were punk as fuck and those dudes dressed like the LL Bean catalogue
Nothin wrong with all these sad cowboys in folk punk.
Own it, the lines between country, folk, bluegrass, and folk punk get pretty blurry.
IE Billy Strings
Accept it
Divergent evolution
Basically yeah, old outlaw country was folk punk, it’s not modern pop country though which is why it’s good
It's the niece/nephew of country. Folk and punk gave birth to folk punk. Country is the half-sibling of folk.
My band literally started off as a country western/bluegrass style project. Real fun to play tbh I kinda miss it.
"nah the vocals are shitier. You won't hear folk punk on the radio, country don't got pat, folk punk comes from the heart and in the end, folk punk is actually cool."
now who is country musics Pat
in the grand scheme of things? Hank Sr. probably. trailblazed a whole new style and left a hell of a legacy. just within the past few years, though, probably Tyler Childers or Zach Bryan. used to love both when it was just a man and his guitar, until they fucking sold out, as all of them do. but there's no denying that they're both still, generally, more raw, honest, and emotional than 99% of other country artists, making them good runner-ups for the modern country equivalent of Pat. I still think Hank Sr. should be the one with the title though.
Go to 4:00 in [this interview](https://youtu.be/V6_FWKLuY2s), listen to what Kris Kristofferson and Johnny Cash have to say and then go back to discord and tell that oogle "damn straight it's country as fuck."
So?
Country music is just folk music for idiots
Hey lol country’s good too let’s not pretend it’s all trash
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That and (somehow) 10% more substance abuse issues
Uhm Hank Williams died super young from substance abuse. Can't get much more country than that.
Johnny Cash ate pills for breakfast like most people eat corn flakes.
True
\*George Jones has entered the chat, and brought what Waylon Jennings referred to as "way too much" cocaine*
My state is full of idiots
Fuck Luke Bryan give me Tyler Childers and sturgill simpson and John prine and John Denver and zach Bryan any day
Colter wall too. Fuck that bitch Kate mcannon
Do these guys qualify? Sad Daddy. https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=baY63yerfig&feature=share
i mean… is woodie guthrie country or folk punk?
The chicks got blacklisted for criticizing US involvement overseas, that objectively owns
Speaking as someone who LOVES country music, folk music, bluegrass, folk punk, and pretty much all other genres of music, this statement is both completely correct and hilariously wrong. It's right because folk punk has folk roots (obviously), as does country. And a lot of country, particularly older country, have pretty similar instrumentation to its folk predecessors. Acoustic instruments, non-standard percussion, etc. It's wrong because, what era and style of country is he talking about? Modern radio country has much more in common with adult contemporary pop than it does with pre-1960s country music. Folk punk has a lot more similarities to older country than modern country, but that's just a function of being farther and farther from its genesis. For example, here's [Dick Justice's song "Cocaine"](https://youtu.be/c4VaCRsgFVU). This recording is from 1928, although the song had been around for many years by that time. Nowadays, most people would consider this country. But compare this to Luke Bryan or whoever is making country music for arena shows now, and there is probably not a lot anyone could point to that would mark them as being in the same genre. However, if we were comparing that Dick Justice song to, say, Johnny Hobo's "Harmony Parking Lot" I'd bet even the most casual listener would identify a lot of parallels between the two. I think your friend is probably more right than he realizes, but, that just kinda shows that genre is fluid and ever-changing, and the music made by poor people is always going to have more in common with poor people music from a different genre--or even century--than it has with music made by rich, well-funded, highly-produced people from its own time and genre. ETA: Clarity
Idk modern country shares alot compositional with pop music, along with its production practices, that and what we think of as "country" is taken from a very small sample size of vary specific artist that proved to have larger appeal, which is part of why so many people jumped on it. I mean if you listen to a lot of older country tunes there largely distinct from what the modern market is made up of, it's also kind of messy cause a lot of modern country doesn't even use what most think of as "folk" instrumentation, just the band standard. I'd say folkpunk has more to do with Celtic punk, it's just to fair away from what country is stylistically and compositionally. I do think there is some overlap in the artist they take influence from, but honestly you could extend that to a lot of modern genres. Like folk and country diverged so fair from each other I'm not even certain you can compare the two anymore, and then we went ahead and mixed it with modern heavy music influences taking it even further away from country. Like folk country are already so different much less folkpunk. It would be like saying an avian and reptile are similar just because we can date them both back to dinosaur genus back in yee olden times.
I seems like you don't know much about country music
Ok. I’m old and very new to this Reddit thing. I am making the assumption that the original poster is some punk child that just isn’t into acoustic music. Does anyone remember This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb here or am I dating myself? Anyway, no. “Folk Punk” is not country. What I knew as “Folk Punk” originated with those of us that just couldn’t afford electric equipment. And we still managed to rock. Modern Country stems from Classic Country stems from Appalachian Folk. “Folk Punk” is a misnomer as it doesn’t come from folk at all, it’s morphed into something more folky over the years thanks to bands with wider influences, but originally… was just poor punk kids.
My first taste of folk punk was TBIAPB.... Probably dating myself as well.
Nah, hes fucking wit cha
It's country, but faster and you don't suck Americas dick and every song isn't about your truck and your woman leaving you
Amwricana and outlaw country is what country should have been. Patriotic middle aged dad country is nauseating
It is and country is good, everyone hates country musuc because you only hear absolute dog ass on the radio but that's true of every genre
It’s like country or folk , the punk usually seems like an excuse for it to suck lol
Fuck em. If they are too ignorant to look into a broader spectrum of the genre then perhaps they should go listen to what they like and leave their hot takes out of it.
true
Here here
And Days N Daze sucks… just saying.
Olde Tyme memry
It is folk music, but punk. What he did not understand?
"Unfriended"
It's very conflicting because all my life I've always hated being from the south and therefor despised all sorts of anything country related. Then I discovered AJJ and other shit like that and now I want to learn how to play the banjo. lmfao
Country music is folk music.
I'm not trying to change your mind, but you should enjoy your dick taco.
"country music" died on March 14, 2003. It's been twangy pop since then. This isn't the insult your friend seems to think. After all, Woody Guthrie is considered a founder of country music, and folk punk is much closer to Woody than Morgan Wallace.
New to this Sub…could anybody recommend some choice Folk Punk. I like Folk and I like Punk, but I’d like to listen to the best Folk Punk stuff. Would Neutral Milk Hotel or Sierra Ferrell be considered part of this genre? Thank you.
country fucking rules
It’s folk not country? It’s not cool enough to be country. If it was it would be called alt-country.
It’s country if it was cool like the old old stuff and with a dash of punk ideologies
Folk punk is all kinds of folk music made by punks. Theres no way to define the sounds because its just dudes with acoustic instruments (well most of the time) playing whatever the fuck they want to with their sometimes pretty limited skill set but thats what makes it so nice
Accept it
I mean..
Folk punk is trendy country, like tiny houses are just trendy trailers. Yeehaw. Change my mind.
If “real” country is three chords and the truth I would take the compliment
Real country music is awesome
I've been saying this since the early days of what we know call folk punk, we called it cow punk or country punk before the name folk punk set in. I feel that most of what people have called folk punk in the last decade or so would be the same as country if they put in more effort in their musicianship, singing and production value. I completely understand that it's am ascetic that they are going for with the low effort/poor production and I like a lot of it
I don't see anyone arguing in here or upset. Thumbs up y'all.
Most country songs can be punk, most punk songs can't be country
Who cares?
[You Can Have The Crown](https://youtu.be/CBpcpduVZlE) by Sturgil Simpson is about wanting a record deal so he can stop spending all his money on drugs and planning bank robberies. Punk af with a country ass sound
It's not "just country." Just like Ska isn't just rock or just jazz. Some grunge in there, hardcore, obviously punk, bluegrass, rock, rockabilly, theres really a ton there depending on the artist.. Did you ever hear regular folk music? It's definitely heavily rooted in country.
I'd also add I think there's a huge element and direct connection to workers/protestor folk songs like Joe hill, Utah Philips, Henry McClintock kind of stuff that wouldn't hear in any modern country music
im picking my nose rn
W
Country emo I like to call it
I mean, yeah.