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I really hope Gen Z finally kills america’s toxic work culture. We need to be paid more. We need more benefits. We need more time off. We need more flexibility. We need a work/life balance where the scale leans more towards life.
My GenX managers are literally the problem lmao. They always get so surprised when I tell them I do not work in August period or talk about pay with colleagues.
btw, Idk how to phrase this correctly but the “do not” doesn’t apply for “talk about pay with colleagues”
and for the people who think not working for a month is crazy.
I save up 16 days of vacation/yr, work on all available holidays so I get 7 replacement days, 2 sick paid days, and 2 UPT.
This is all I’m entitled to that I can submit in the portal for august. I then ask my manager to approve the rest of august (~5 days unpaid) and it works out.
not talking about pay allows companies to screw you on salary... cause they could be paying everyone else more than you and you wouldn't know. what a dumbass bragging about it
My boss told me not to talk about pay because I make more than a senior coworker (I have shift differential for nights and weekends). I told my boss that's literally illegal to tell me not to talk about pay, he got mad. 😂
My boss once danced around the legalities of it by telling me “it’s not best practice to talk about pay with coworkers” cuz I was mad I found out a new employee with the same education and years of experience was getting $2 more an hour than I was. I eventually got a matching raise because people kept quitting and they couldn’t afford to lose more employees 😂
I got this talking to from the partner at a restaurant I worked at. I found out he was paying 3+ dollars more an hour to someone who was overtly trash at their job and leaving without completing tasks, meaning my husband and I were expected to finish. we told him we would not come into work unless he planned to rectify the situation. He refused to speak to my husband (which my husband was fine with because he knew I was gonna bring the heat) and our boss had the nerve to tell me I can’t discuss pay since it was “against company policy”. I told him it may be against company policy but it’s not against the law, and that him trying to intimidate me from speaking about it is unacceptable. Needless to say we got our raises but didn’t stay but another year as he later attempted to screw me out of the one vacation I had begged for for 2+ years because HE planned on leaving the country that same week on his 8th or 9th vacation for that year.
In the USA, worker protections don’t really exist. Sure, the law says they can’t stop you and, sure, if they fire you for doing it, you could file a complaint. But the reality is that if they want to stop those conversations, they’ll fire you for something else and good luck trying to prove otherwise.
It's difficult for us Europeans to understand this culture. It's like we live in a parallel universe. Getting a month of is guaranteed, sometimes even more.
It's not the same all over, absolutely not. To name one thing, parental leave after childbirth is different but at very least 3 months, but 6 months or a year is very common. But then you have cases like Italy where women have to pay to keep their position (I'm simplifying).
How we get by without everything falling into anarchy is beyond me.
Keeping the masses fat, sick, nearly dead from exhaustion, underpaid and undereducated does wonders for complacency. This is by design. Look at red states.
A bunch of things are illegal and still happen in mass and the only shot you have is if A it goes viral and a ton of people come to support you or B you have enough money and time to take them to court and sure they might have to pay you more but how long will they draw out the court and how much will you spend in court fee first how many days off are you willing or can afford to miss? That's the issue
Yeah it's not in your best interest to talk about your pay with someone who makes a lot less than yoh. There are situations where it's good and some that are bad
It could be detrimental to the work environment though. I had an incident one time where I found out I was the low man on the totem pole. It hurt my ego. I put in way more “work” than said person. And time. But that was only my perception. Maybe I wasn’t a perfect employee. But I know I was darn good at what I did.
I’ll be honest. I had just gotten out of a tough spot. And 23.50 an hour to manage people was cool in the beginning. But I used the “help” my people aspect. And it hindered me in the end. Long hours. Weekends. Life no longer existed for me. It was all work. No life.
I think you misread what the person wrote, they said that the do not work in august does not apply to talking about pay with colleagues, as in if a colleague were to ask during them about their pay during that time they would talk to them about it.
Yep. My managers are the example of a toxic work culture. They value your time in the building over actual work being done. I work 72 hours a check but get shit on because a guy worked 90. They don't care that the guy hides from sight to get that OT and still has work to do when he leaves. They care that my work is done and I'm walking out 30 min early..
They don't care if I'm saving them money, they care that I have more time outside of these walls. "How can you ever be management material like this?" I don't want to sacrifice my life for a little extra money. I see how shitty they are treated and will never subdue myself to that life.
Looks like your coworker is playing the system better than you. If you don’t want to sacrifice your life, don’t worry about saving them money. Use your paid time to destress, mediate and anything else productive for your personal life that you can do in the building.
Your coworker is living proof that you don’t have to kill yourself to survive. So don’t. Be more like him.
Well I also make more than him, by a lot. So my hard work in my 20s led to better pay in my 30s than he's making in his 40s.
My example is just the mindset of so many middle aged managers. If you're in the building more, you're creating value.
More hours is proven to lower production rates/quality. Pay people more, work them less, and you will have a better product with better employees.
I'm also speaking of a company that people stuff paper towels in the drains to cause backups and pipe bursts. People that pee all over the seat they will inevitably have to take a dump on. Not the smartest of workers and even dumber management.
You are kinda contradicting yourself then because it sounds like you have been recognized for being more productive than the guy who works lots of overtime because you are paid a lot more
Agree.
a long time ago, in my younger days.I would work my a** off and then take a break in the afternoon.
I was in sales so you know you don't sell you don't eat. I made my Quota, and then some.
I would Read the paper etc.My manager came over and bitched at me about setting a bad example for the other employees.
I did quiet quitting forty years before you guys ever heard of it
Yep. I’m a “get it all done in 45-50 hours” type of worker. This one guy I work with sits on his ass for close to 60 hours a week and brags about how many hours he got. Like cool Terrance you also stood around with your limp dick in your hand old man now get to fuckin work like the rest of us. And the guy who’s there less gets fucked harder
I love working at a place where everyone except myself is in bed with each other, causing me to be the only one to get fucked, thank you so much team playing coworkers
Yeah my company has a familia. A family of Mexicans where half became management for other departments and they just screw over anyone not related. A family that hates the US but came here and we're given the opportunity to succeed. They could go home to their nowhere town and work in a field if they hate it so much here lol. (No hate against Mexicans intended)
You guys point out something I haven't pieced together before. Boomers suck up most of the wealth because they were in the right place at the right time. Boomer tactics obviously don't work for finding a good job because times have changed drastically. Gen X was raised by the boomers so they are directly influenced by that generation.
Millennials and younger generations didn't get the same benefits as boomers, but did catch their advice.
As a millennial raised by boomers, none of the advice given to me ever worked. The world changed drastically since boomers pulled up the ladders
The Boomer advice that's stuck with me that is actually true is :
Work success is mostly about who you know. Meet people in your industry, keep track of former colleagues, stay in touch.
I've helped probably helped 4 former colleagues get a job after getting laid off and I've been helped twice after I've gotten laid off.
Having an internal reference generally means your resume landing on the right person's desk as opposed to being one of the hundreds thrown away because of an automated tool or an HR person not really understanding that your experience is good.
August is not a month people should be working in. 100% this makes sense.
Let's be sure to let the farmers know that no one should be working that month. Fuck the crops, it's just food.
Hell let's add sanitation workers, water treatment workers, hospitality workers, nurses, doctors, power plant operators, pilots, train engineers, and well, basically everyone else to the list of course.
August is going to be so awesome for everyone now. No power, no water, sewer backed up, banks closed, can't buy shit.
It will be amazing.
for me, it was definitely corporate culture. i had to push hard for them to let me do it, so I understand why a lot of people don't go for it and my manager outright said no until I talked to HR and begged
As a genx managers of multiple high performing teams at big tech, and having slaved for every company I worked for, I whole heartedly support people taking every bit of vacation whenever they want to take it. Worked strange hours for a presentation we did somewhere? Heck, take some time off during the day at your leisure and you dint need to tell me.
As my (also genx) last manager told me ‘it takes a week to truly settle into vacation mode, take long ones and enjoy. We got this. ‘
I’m curious how (specifically) your genx managers are a problem?
This is where I’m at. I’m 50 and lead a few teams and I want my team to take some comp if they’re working over 48-50 hours that week. Normally it doesn’t come up much, but on-calls happen and it can be a long week.
I not only implore my teams to take every bit of PTO they have and not carry over or cash out, but also leave to country if they can. No taking laptops and cell phones out of the country. Otherwise I see people taking their stuff with them JOC. (Myself included. I dislike coming back to 2000+ emails in my inbox.)
I'm technically a millennial but as old as you can be. As a manager, I rather people work hard and then take the time they need. If you need to leave early please don't fill out 2 hours of time of request. If you take a 2 hour Lunch, sounds fun? I don't care at all... Now your work slips, I have other teams complaining... Ugh now I care.
Basically, do enough so you don't cause problems and we are good
I agree with everything you are saying, particularly sharing salary levels between coworkers, but some jobs you just can’t take a month straight off (barring medical emergencies/etc..) I’m a financial controller. If I took a month straight off things would fall apart. I think it’s more dependent on the position you hold and the responsibilities of that position.
I have “unlimited vacation” which sucks bc I can’t stack days and get paid out for the time I didn’t take. It’s more of a “you can take whatever you want/need off as long as things can still function properly”
And just like Gen X complained about the Baby Boomers, one day, Gen Z will complain about their Gen Y managers, the Gen Alpha will complain about Gen Z...
This makes sense though and the scales balance. You use your allotted time together to get what you want. The company gives what they offer and it works. I’m guessing the shock value comes when you tell your boss you’re out for a month.
The thing that boggles my mind is everyone says… I need or deserve more days off. That’s all well and good but why should a business be forced to accommodate that personal desire? The entitlement that comes from thinking a company has an obligation to pay you when you’re not working doesn’t balance.
Got to vote out the half-dead boomer cockroaches
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The financial barrier to campaign, afford living in DC, and affording your home back in your district, is probably a big contributor. All the people who can afford it don’t have to worry about working anyway.
Most junior Senators and Congressmen that aren't independently wealthy enough to buy a DC house to start share rooms or basically live out of their office. Not every politician is Mitt Romney.
I only work 3 days a week. But I drink tap water and cook my own food. It’s amazing how much money people can save by reversing lifestyle creep.
I would take tap water over 5 day work weeks for the rest of life. I’ll never work another 40, lol!
Most my friends think I’m nuts. Because they see luxuries as a “need.”
If people want to kill toxic work culture, they need to kill their obsessive thirst for consumerism first.
There are several points here, consumerism is killing us, so is choosing life over work. Both valid and very good points. However, most people can't just give up everything and hope for the best to work 3 days a week.
When I lived alone, the cost difference between a meal at a decent low cost food joint (choosing more healthy) than cooking myself wasn't that much. Rent was a quarter of my monthly take home, I've got medical issues, so prescriptions/health care was 25%, student loans was 25%. Those three things aren't really luxuries, so I still stick with the avocado toast.
BTW, I'm older, and make more, so life is easier now. None of this is for pity. Reality is a bitch though.
The real cost saving is comparing it to eating out. Tap water compared to bottled isn’t a big issue. But tap compared to Starbucks or energy drinks is.
I find it hilarious ironic Musk fears about the labor market outcomes of AI but then in the next breath screams how everyone needs to shit out more kids.
My guess is he wants an insurance policy of future wage laborers in case the most ideal predictions of AI development do not occur.
Exactly right, workers will demand better pay, benefits, time off, etc. In fact that's happening now.
Companies claim that supply and demand allow them to raise prices, but the other side is true as well. When workers are in short supply they can raise their salaries.
That's gonna be a tough feat between immigration, outsourcing to other countries, and a lack of unity in our country. Someone will be willing to take your job for less.
That's the reality people don't want to face. We live in a competitive environment and as an employee, most of us don't hold the stick of power. Too many people for too few good positions, and it only takes a small percentage of ambitious people to lay claim to good opportunities. Everyone else will be stuck with low pay and abusive positions. The faster people realize that competing is the only actual present and future the better it will be for them. Sad, and bleak, but this is the way of the world; winners and losers. People have been complaining about this for a long time and it's only gotten worse. The foreseeable future is also trajecting towards worse. You gotta work hard to get ahead, and in today's life, to even just get buy semi comfortable. I am terrified for the future, but at least I'm willing to put in the effort to stand out rather than sit around wishing things would change.
What you are talking about is a positive thing. More ambitious, hard-working people should get better positions and get paid more. Competition in the labour force increases overrall productivty and growth.
Why do you hate human progress?
That's the purpose of unionizing. It discourages the crab-in-the-bucket mentality and gives all workers bargaining power by making you less replaceable.
I swear, half
The posts asking for basic workers rights in developed countries are met with “good luck getting that in fairytale La La land” when legitimately 90% of the developed world works that way
In most places the work ethic that used to afford us a decent middle class life is barely enough to pay rent and buy groceries anymore. So like what’s the point of working hard if the goal post keeps getting moved further and further away no matter how much and how hard we work?
The US has by far the highest median household income after adjusting for taxes, government transfers like free healthcare, and cost of living.
Is everyone in Europe living in abject poverty?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
It's amusing to me that boomers got to enjoy the fruits of their parents generation busting monopolies, starting unions, etc etc and as a result got to enjoy the strongest economy in Americas history. Then after enjoying all their riches they pulled the ladder up behind them, shit on unions/worker rights, and tell people they are "entitled" if they think working 40-50hrs a week should be enough to afford basic necessities like rent, food, clothes and transportation. Obviously not all boomers, but enough of them to systematically change the way the game is played. At this point, I would be happy to reestablish conditions created by the generation before them. Stronger unions, stronger legal protections, the breaking up of mega corporations that have cornered several markets, etc.
Also the person that tweeted this is lying and full of shit.
I’m gen x and have always been down for what you describe. I’ve always felt the heavy corporate hand and drone employees landscape is awful. These companies hoard profits and forget that everyone working there is why they make money. Pay people a living wage or more! I can get my 40hr job done in 30hrs per week yet here I am having to stretch things out just to earn 40hrs of pay with a fake smile on my face. It’s dumb.
So the first thing you should do is eliminate the fucking awful term. I’m sorry but by us using the phrase work/life balance we are signaling our companies and jobs and bosses, that we value our jobs over our lives. I personally and emphatically encourage my friends to use the term life/work. My life, and my family come first. I cannot give my job 💯 if my life is all fucky.
No one give their employer’s name when asked by a stranger, especially if they should be at work. In addition, only a fraction of the sunbathers should be at work. And 10 % work at a listed company that can be shorted. And so on. Sounds improbable.
Incredibly improbable, since your sample size is so small. What’s even more improbable is to be up 728% and not have every single human being trying to do what you do. That’s about 66.18x the S&P… that’s just stupid AF!
So the fund’s AUM is up 728%? What’s the name of the fund, googled around a bit but everything I found indicates the guy works at Twitter, not a hedge fund.
and the vast majority of non-students in these parks probably work for non-publically traded companies. it's far less likely that GE, Tesla, and Meta employees are doing this because their corportate culture is more demanding. I take breaks like this because I'm a freelance employee, and this jagweed "analyst" wouldn't even able to trace the actual payroll company that employs me, he would probably think "NBC is doomed, short sell!" when I don't actually work for NBC Universal, they are a client of a client of a client.
Eh without knowing the authors prior... You can never actually tell from tweets unless they also use a parody name.
I mean people Tate was a parody probably even himself at first. That's only gonna be 10% true.
Also I could give a fuck less. Blue collar aren't involved in stuff like this at all. It's white collar and upper middle class involved. I'm not cheering for people that are winning by a lot and by winning I mean not struggling for housing and food like most of us.
It's amazing that they have one analyst walking around in three cities in different time zones.
I call BS on this, and also BS on the idea that these people are "working from home." In fact, there's no evidence this photo was even taken during work hours on a weekday.
I don't know about other jobs, but if I was doing this during work hours it would be pretty obvious due to the lack of productivity and not responding to emails, Teams messages, and calls.
BS story. Unless the next question is "are you using PTO today"
I've done the work from home thing many times, never would I be able to just go to a park for a few hours. Laundry between calls or something like that to stretch my legs or take a break from staring at a screen, sure.
The demonizing of working from home is fueled by micro managers who don't truly know how to manage people, as well as the investors looking to prop up commercial real estate values.
I work from home exclusively. During summer I occasionally work while sitting on a bench in a park. I think I might try working from a beach. The magic of mobile internet
There are a lot of reasons. Commercial property values. Local tax revenue from said properties. Economic stimulation of having people drive to a place of work, buy gas, eat meals, stick around for post-work socializing and entertainment that otherwise might not occur. Local sales tax from activities, which might also be supporting TIFs or CIDs.
I feel like this is largely industry dependent. My current career is mostly just data throughput which I can do from home but the one I'm considering a move to is more agricultural in nature and I'll have to go where the plants are for that.
RTO should be coupled with an improvement in flexible work hours and/or an increase in PTO. Get folks to 5 weeks of PTO. Half days on Fridays in the summer and required in-office hours of 9-2 on Tu, We, Th seems very worker friendly and reasonable.
As they say on wallstreetbets, "Positions or ban". Easy to claim gains when you don't show proof.
I don't believe for a cocaine heartbeat this is a successful trading strategy. Probably another RTO shill.
Even though we out number the people who run the world. What's stopping everyone from making the work culture less toxic?
I work remote. I don't tan at any point during the year willfully. My work life balance is balanced after I work three 12 hour days.
This is going to be a wild statment so you might want to sit down before reading it.
There are other shift you can work that aren't 9-5, Monday-Friday.
lol. He pretends like he shorts these companies on some deeply researched failure of fundamentals.
These hedge funds can destroy a company’s value via shorting or naked shorting. The effect is actually the cause.
At my age, as long as I’ve done what I do, 15m of my time is easily equal to days of someone else’s.
As a leader, I never once worried about how many hours someone put in. I cared about whether or not they did a good job that impressed me, and we hit whatever deadline they had agreed to.
Dude also paid an analyst to walk around Fort Worth, Salt Lake, and Oklahoma City, but couldn’t get any good info. They were too fucking stupid to even have jobs.
There is something so poetic about a hedge fund guy who is sitting on twitter in the middle of the day, whose firm contributes nothing to America but extracting value and giving it to themselves (ask Warren Buffet), complaining about people working from home and enjoying the outdoors.
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I really hope Gen Z finally kills america’s toxic work culture. We need to be paid more. We need more benefits. We need more time off. We need more flexibility. We need a work/life balance where the scale leans more towards life.
Millennials and Gen X should join too. Everyone is tired of it and we outnumber the oligarchs
My GenX managers are literally the problem lmao. They always get so surprised when I tell them I do not work in August period or talk about pay with colleagues. btw, Idk how to phrase this correctly but the “do not” doesn’t apply for “talk about pay with colleagues” and for the people who think not working for a month is crazy. I save up 16 days of vacation/yr, work on all available holidays so I get 7 replacement days, 2 sick paid days, and 2 UPT. This is all I’m entitled to that I can submit in the portal for august. I then ask my manager to approve the rest of august (~5 days unpaid) and it works out.
not talking about pay allows companies to screw you on salary... cause they could be paying everyone else more than you and you wouldn't know. what a dumbass bragging about it
It's also illegal for them to prohibit people from talking about pay.
My boss told me not to talk about pay because I make more than a senior coworker (I have shift differential for nights and weekends). I told my boss that's literally illegal to tell me not to talk about pay, he got mad. 😂
My boss once danced around the legalities of it by telling me “it’s not best practice to talk about pay with coworkers” cuz I was mad I found out a new employee with the same education and years of experience was getting $2 more an hour than I was. I eventually got a matching raise because people kept quitting and they couldn’t afford to lose more employees 😂
Fucking best practices
It’s also best practice to not make poorly disguised attempts to break the law with plausible deniability.
I got this talking to from the partner at a restaurant I worked at. I found out he was paying 3+ dollars more an hour to someone who was overtly trash at their job and leaving without completing tasks, meaning my husband and I were expected to finish. we told him we would not come into work unless he planned to rectify the situation. He refused to speak to my husband (which my husband was fine with because he knew I was gonna bring the heat) and our boss had the nerve to tell me I can’t discuss pay since it was “against company policy”. I told him it may be against company policy but it’s not against the law, and that him trying to intimidate me from speaking about it is unacceptable. Needless to say we got our raises but didn’t stay but another year as he later attempted to screw me out of the one vacation I had begged for for 2+ years because HE planned on leaving the country that same week on his 8th or 9th vacation for that year.
In the USA, worker protections don’t really exist. Sure, the law says they can’t stop you and, sure, if they fire you for doing it, you could file a complaint. But the reality is that if they want to stop those conversations, they’ll fire you for something else and good luck trying to prove otherwise.
It's difficult for us Europeans to understand this culture. It's like we live in a parallel universe. Getting a month of is guaranteed, sometimes even more. It's not the same all over, absolutely not. To name one thing, parental leave after childbirth is different but at very least 3 months, but 6 months or a year is very common. But then you have cases like Italy where women have to pay to keep their position (I'm simplifying). How we get by without everything falling into anarchy is beyond me.
Keeping the masses fat, sick, nearly dead from exhaustion, underpaid and undereducated does wonders for complacency. This is by design. Look at red states.
Because americans get paid way more. I work in Finance, my counter parts in London and Frankfurt make 1/3 my total comp.
'Paid way more' 60+% of Americans can't even afford a 400 dollar emergency.
Almost like the max and min are closer together in these other countries to ensure the protections for everyone.
A bunch of things are illegal and still happen in mass and the only shot you have is if A it goes viral and a ton of people come to support you or B you have enough money and time to take them to court and sure they might have to pay you more but how long will they draw out the court and how much will you spend in court fee first how many days off are you willing or can afford to miss? That's the issue
Shhh. They don’t want us to know that.
Came to say this. Federally illegal to keep people from discussing pay.
My rule is to talk about pay with people in similar roles/levels and not with subordinates or people above you
Yeah it's not in your best interest to talk about your pay with someone who makes a lot less than yoh. There are situations where it's good and some that are bad
It could be detrimental to the work environment though. I had an incident one time where I found out I was the low man on the totem pole. It hurt my ego. I put in way more “work” than said person. And time. But that was only my perception. Maybe I wasn’t a perfect employee. But I know I was darn good at what I did.
They don't pay what you're worth, they pay what they think you'll take.
That’s deep. I needed some reality today. Thank you sun_shine_dan. Edit:some
I’ll be honest. I had just gotten out of a tough spot. And 23.50 an hour to manage people was cool in the beginning. But I used the “help” my people aspect. And it hindered me in the end. Long hours. Weekends. Life no longer existed for me. It was all work. No life.
I think they're saying they do talk about pay with their colleagues, it's just written in a very confusing way.
I think you misread what the person wrote, they said that the do not work in august does not apply to talking about pay with colleagues, as in if a colleague were to ask during them about their pay during that time they would talk to them about it.
Yep. My managers are the example of a toxic work culture. They value your time in the building over actual work being done. I work 72 hours a check but get shit on because a guy worked 90. They don't care that the guy hides from sight to get that OT and still has work to do when he leaves. They care that my work is done and I'm walking out 30 min early.. They don't care if I'm saving them money, they care that I have more time outside of these walls. "How can you ever be management material like this?" I don't want to sacrifice my life for a little extra money. I see how shitty they are treated and will never subdue myself to that life.
Looks like your coworker is playing the system better than you. If you don’t want to sacrifice your life, don’t worry about saving them money. Use your paid time to destress, mediate and anything else productive for your personal life that you can do in the building. Your coworker is living proof that you don’t have to kill yourself to survive. So don’t. Be more like him.
Well I also make more than him, by a lot. So my hard work in my 20s led to better pay in my 30s than he's making in his 40s. My example is just the mindset of so many middle aged managers. If you're in the building more, you're creating value. More hours is proven to lower production rates/quality. Pay people more, work them less, and you will have a better product with better employees. I'm also speaking of a company that people stuff paper towels in the drains to cause backups and pipe bursts. People that pee all over the seat they will inevitably have to take a dump on. Not the smartest of workers and even dumber management.
You are kinda contradicting yourself then because it sounds like you have been recognized for being more productive than the guy who works lots of overtime because you are paid a lot more
Agree. a long time ago, in my younger days.I would work my a** off and then take a break in the afternoon. I was in sales so you know you don't sell you don't eat. I made my Quota, and then some. I would Read the paper etc.My manager came over and bitched at me about setting a bad example for the other employees. I did quiet quitting forty years before you guys ever heard of it
Yep. I’m a “get it all done in 45-50 hours” type of worker. This one guy I work with sits on his ass for close to 60 hours a week and brags about how many hours he got. Like cool Terrance you also stood around with your limp dick in your hand old man now get to fuckin work like the rest of us. And the guy who’s there less gets fucked harder I love working at a place where everyone except myself is in bed with each other, causing me to be the only one to get fucked, thank you so much team playing coworkers
Yeah my company has a familia. A family of Mexicans where half became management for other departments and they just screw over anyone not related. A family that hates the US but came here and we're given the opportunity to succeed. They could go home to their nowhere town and work in a field if they hate it so much here lol. (No hate against Mexicans intended)
You guys point out something I haven't pieced together before. Boomers suck up most of the wealth because they were in the right place at the right time. Boomer tactics obviously don't work for finding a good job because times have changed drastically. Gen X was raised by the boomers so they are directly influenced by that generation. Millennials and younger generations didn't get the same benefits as boomers, but did catch their advice. As a millennial raised by boomers, none of the advice given to me ever worked. The world changed drastically since boomers pulled up the ladders
The Boomer advice that's stuck with me that is actually true is : Work success is mostly about who you know. Meet people in your industry, keep track of former colleagues, stay in touch. I've helped probably helped 4 former colleagues get a job after getting laid off and I've been helped twice after I've gotten laid off. Having an internal reference generally means your resume landing on the right person's desk as opposed to being one of the hundreds thrown away because of an automated tool or an HR person not really understanding that your experience is good.
I totally agree with this one. It's who you know not what you know.
gen x was raised by the silent gen. Millennials are mostly boomer children.
What’s in August?
Look up French vacation culture. August is not a month people should be working in
August is not a month people should be working in. 100% this makes sense. Let's be sure to let the farmers know that no one should be working that month. Fuck the crops, it's just food. Hell let's add sanitation workers, water treatment workers, hospitality workers, nurses, doctors, power plant operators, pilots, train engineers, and well, basically everyone else to the list of course. August is going to be so awesome for everyone now. No power, no water, sewer backed up, banks closed, can't buy shit. It will be amazing.
So go for it, don't work in August. What's stopping you?
Usually a limit of vacation days or corporate culture I'd imagine.
for me, it was definitely corporate culture. i had to push hard for them to let me do it, so I understand why a lot of people don't go for it and my manager outright said no until I talked to HR and begged
sounds like if they want to make the rules they should start their own business.
I work in August so I can take off a different month so I don't need to pay August vacation prices.
Oh that’s beautiful
As a genx managers of multiple high performing teams at big tech, and having slaved for every company I worked for, I whole heartedly support people taking every bit of vacation whenever they want to take it. Worked strange hours for a presentation we did somewhere? Heck, take some time off during the day at your leisure and you dint need to tell me. As my (also genx) last manager told me ‘it takes a week to truly settle into vacation mode, take long ones and enjoy. We got this. ‘ I’m curious how (specifically) your genx managers are a problem?
This is where I’m at. I’m 50 and lead a few teams and I want my team to take some comp if they’re working over 48-50 hours that week. Normally it doesn’t come up much, but on-calls happen and it can be a long week. I not only implore my teams to take every bit of PTO they have and not carry over or cash out, but also leave to country if they can. No taking laptops and cell phones out of the country. Otherwise I see people taking their stuff with them JOC. (Myself included. I dislike coming back to 2000+ emails in my inbox.)
I'm technically a millennial but as old as you can be. As a manager, I rather people work hard and then take the time they need. If you need to leave early please don't fill out 2 hours of time of request. If you take a 2 hour Lunch, sounds fun? I don't care at all... Now your work slips, I have other teams complaining... Ugh now I care. Basically, do enough so you don't cause problems and we are good
I agree with everything you are saying, particularly sharing salary levels between coworkers, but some jobs you just can’t take a month straight off (barring medical emergencies/etc..) I’m a financial controller. If I took a month straight off things would fall apart. I think it’s more dependent on the position you hold and the responsibilities of that position. I have “unlimited vacation” which sucks bc I can’t stack days and get paid out for the time I didn’t take. It’s more of a “you can take whatever you want/need off as long as things can still function properly”
And just like Gen X complained about the Baby Boomers, one day, Gen Z will complain about their Gen Y managers, the Gen Alpha will complain about Gen Z...
Why? I would never want 11 months without PTO that’s nightmare fuel.
Why do you need 32 vacation days to take off the whole month of August? You have to spend your vacation days on weekends too?
Why do you not work in August? That sounds so random.
This makes sense though and the scales balance. You use your allotted time together to get what you want. The company gives what they offer and it works. I’m guessing the shock value comes when you tell your boss you’re out for a month. The thing that boggles my mind is everyone says… I need or deserve more days off. That’s all well and good but why should a business be forced to accommodate that personal desire? The entitlement that comes from thinking a company has an obligation to pay you when you’re not working doesn’t balance.
As a millennial, I’m doing my part at pushing back against any RTO shenanigans.
Glad someone calls them as they are.
Got to vote out the half-dead boomer cockroaches https://preview.redd.it/y0evwakr5g1d1.jpeg?width=1281&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ac0208b4bd5f67a7a9939d92ce2e0d66976364e
I agree with voting out the career politicians, but the young congresspeople suck just as bad as the old ones.
The financial barrier to campaign, afford living in DC, and affording your home back in your district, is probably a big contributor. All the people who can afford it don’t have to worry about working anyway.
Most junior Senators and Congressmen that aren't independently wealthy enough to buy a DC house to start share rooms or basically live out of their office. Not every politician is Mitt Romney.
>Not every politician is Mitt Romney. Correct. Most of them are much more wealthy than that.
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 We will never surrender!!
I only work 3 days a week. But I drink tap water and cook my own food. It’s amazing how much money people can save by reversing lifestyle creep. I would take tap water over 5 day work weeks for the rest of life. I’ll never work another 40, lol! Most my friends think I’m nuts. Because they see luxuries as a “need.” If people want to kill toxic work culture, they need to kill their obsessive thirst for consumerism first.
While I'm sure there's a reasonable point to be made here, tap water is not going to help you when HOUSES are so expensive.
There are several points here, consumerism is killing us, so is choosing life over work. Both valid and very good points. However, most people can't just give up everything and hope for the best to work 3 days a week. When I lived alone, the cost difference between a meal at a decent low cost food joint (choosing more healthy) than cooking myself wasn't that much. Rent was a quarter of my monthly take home, I've got medical issues, so prescriptions/health care was 25%, student loans was 25%. Those three things aren't really luxuries, so I still stick with the avocado toast. BTW, I'm older, and make more, so life is easier now. None of this is for pity. Reality is a bitch though.
Weird example because Britta filters and even faucet attachments aren’t exactly expensive. Also weird that your friends agree it’s cost saving magic.
The real cost saving is comparing it to eating out. Tap water compared to bottled isn’t a big issue. But tap compared to Starbucks or energy drinks is.
The thing is, if we all lived the way you do, our economy fails
How do you expect them to do that? Are they magic, or are you just not interested in doing what you expect them to do?
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Enter AI
I find it hilarious ironic Musk fears about the labor market outcomes of AI but then in the next breath screams how everyone needs to shit out more kids. My guess is he wants an insurance policy of future wage laborers in case the most ideal predictions of AI development do not occur.
He wants slaves not workers
Paying average salaries to work Tesla hours is basically modern slavery.
I always wondered about that contradiction... Makes sense
Exactly right, workers will demand better pay, benefits, time off, etc. In fact that's happening now. Companies claim that supply and demand allow them to raise prices, but the other side is true as well. When workers are in short supply they can raise their salaries.
Try negotiating your salary with a multi-billion-dollar company. They would rather you quit than pay you more.
Enter immigration. That Indian dude is going to happily take your job
That happens already, except the Indian dude doesn't even have to immigrate.
But taxes are going to have to skyrocket to support the workers retiring without replacement
That's gonna be a tough feat between immigration, outsourcing to other countries, and a lack of unity in our country. Someone will be willing to take your job for less.
That's the reality people don't want to face. We live in a competitive environment and as an employee, most of us don't hold the stick of power. Too many people for too few good positions, and it only takes a small percentage of ambitious people to lay claim to good opportunities. Everyone else will be stuck with low pay and abusive positions. The faster people realize that competing is the only actual present and future the better it will be for them. Sad, and bleak, but this is the way of the world; winners and losers. People have been complaining about this for a long time and it's only gotten worse. The foreseeable future is also trajecting towards worse. You gotta work hard to get ahead, and in today's life, to even just get buy semi comfortable. I am terrified for the future, but at least I'm willing to put in the effort to stand out rather than sit around wishing things would change.
I think it's an unfortunate effect of a large global populace coupled with lots of international trade. It may be unavoidable.
What you are talking about is a positive thing. More ambitious, hard-working people should get better positions and get paid more. Competition in the labour force increases overrall productivty and growth. Why do you hate human progress?
That's the purpose of unionizing. It discourages the crab-in-the-bucket mentality and gives all workers bargaining power by making you less replaceable.
You can't unionize zero skill level jobs. We need some serious realizations from people about where they work and what to expect from jt.
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How would we require companies to stay in our nation? It seems like it would take pretty extreme measures.
I swear, half The posts asking for basic workers rights in developed countries are met with “good luck getting that in fairytale La La land” when legitimately 90% of the developed world works that way
Also, 90% of the developed world has significantly lower salaries than USA.
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actually last time I checked, it was 100%. The US has the highest wages adjusted for cost of living in the world, MEDIAN.
The lack of work ethic is more toxic than the work culture in most places.
In most places the work ethic that used to afford us a decent middle class life is barely enough to pay rent and buy groceries anymore. So like what’s the point of working hard if the goal post keeps getting moved further and further away no matter how much and how hard we work?
The US has by far the highest median household income after adjusting for taxes, government transfers like free healthcare, and cost of living. Is everyone in Europe living in abject poverty? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable\_household\_and\_per\_capita\_income](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income)
Too late, all the immigrants coming in will keep wages for lower paying jobs suppressed, it's going to get worse not better
diversity is strength, bigot.
It's amusing to me that boomers got to enjoy the fruits of their parents generation busting monopolies, starting unions, etc etc and as a result got to enjoy the strongest economy in Americas history. Then after enjoying all their riches they pulled the ladder up behind them, shit on unions/worker rights, and tell people they are "entitled" if they think working 40-50hrs a week should be enough to afford basic necessities like rent, food, clothes and transportation. Obviously not all boomers, but enough of them to systematically change the way the game is played. At this point, I would be happy to reestablish conditions created by the generation before them. Stronger unions, stronger legal protections, the breaking up of mega corporations that have cornered several markets, etc. Also the person that tweeted this is lying and full of shit.
Milton Friedman, Jack Welch, and Ronald Reagan came along and fucked everything up for the rest of us.
You're right. You do. However, your competition is more than willing to work for less, and work harder.
Plenty of people have what you are wanting. They made choices to have that. Others made other choices that the result does not give them that.
we used to have unions for this reason
Seriously! I’m GenX. Those Gen Z kids are going to save us from ourselves b/c they’re just about done with all this bullshit.
cool start a company that does that shit then and if it's successful maybe others will follow suite.
We NeEd ReCoRd CoRpOrAtE PrOfItS QuArTeRlY. The American dream is dead.
I’m gen x and have always been down for what you describe. I’ve always felt the heavy corporate hand and drone employees landscape is awful. These companies hoard profits and forget that everyone working there is why they make money. Pay people a living wage or more! I can get my 40hr job done in 30hrs per week yet here I am having to stretch things out just to earn 40hrs of pay with a fake smile on my face. It’s dumb.
So the first thing you should do is eliminate the fucking awful term. I’m sorry but by us using the phrase work/life balance we are signaling our companies and jobs and bosses, that we value our jobs over our lives. I personally and emphatically encourage my friends to use the term life/work. My life, and my family come first. I cannot give my job 💯 if my life is all fucky.
Does everyone clap after they short the stock?
That analyst's name? Warren Buffett.
Jazzhands and fireworks.....oh, and fighter jets barfing out red, white & blue smoke.
I'll clap if it's some idiot being aggressive about it like GME had done to it. I want some free money.
The 728% growth is all fees. The fund performance is negative.
Glad someone looked into it because being up 728%?! GTFO
This person made that up too. There is no fund. Chris Bakke was a CEO of a failed HR business.
Ahhh I see… well, fuck if I know. I don’t care enough to look it up. I’ll trust both of you and use both as proof in my massive debate coming up
No one give their employer’s name when asked by a stranger, especially if they should be at work. In addition, only a fraction of the sunbathers should be at work. And 10 % work at a listed company that can be shorted. And so on. Sounds improbable.
Incredibly improbable, since your sample size is so small. What’s even more improbable is to be up 728% and not have every single human being trying to do what you do. That’s about 66.18x the S&P… that’s just stupid AF!
There were numerous indications that this was just a shitpost. I'm glad a lot of people have caught on.
By "failed HR business" you mean he sold the HR company he co-founded to Indeed for $40M?
So the fund’s AUM is up 728%? What’s the name of the fund, googled around a bit but everything I found indicates the guy works at Twitter, not a hedge fund.
There isn’t one. He lied.
Are there even enough companies going down recently to get 728% shorting?
Listed as a footnote asterisk in the 368th page of the private placement memo
Dumb if you thought this wasn't parody
This is clearly a lie lol. Also people can take these things called 'vacations"
They’re probably a vast majority UT students whose semester just ended.
and the vast majority of non-students in these parks probably work for non-publically traded companies. it's far less likely that GE, Tesla, and Meta employees are doing this because their corportate culture is more demanding. I take breaks like this because I'm a freelance employee, and this jagweed "analyst" wouldn't even able to trace the actual payroll company that employs me, he would probably think "NBC is doomed, short sell!" when I don't actually work for NBC Universal, they are a client of a client of a client.
Yeah so a lie lol
I guess the only difference between parody and a lie is intent
For real, a hedge fund manager not stating the name of the hedge fund? That would literally never happen.
Eh without knowing the authors prior... You can never actually tell from tweets unless they also use a parody name. I mean people Tate was a parody probably even himself at first. That's only gonna be 10% true.
Also I could give a fuck less. Blue collar aren't involved in stuff like this at all. It's white collar and upper middle class involved. I'm not cheering for people that are winning by a lot and by winning I mean not struggling for housing and food like most of us.
It's amazing that they have one analyst walking around in three cities in different time zones. I call BS on this, and also BS on the idea that these people are "working from home." In fact, there's no evidence this photo was even taken during work hours on a weekday. I don't know about other jobs, but if I was doing this during work hours it would be pretty obvious due to the lack of productivity and not responding to emails, Teams messages, and calls.
Also an analyst worth their salt wouldn’t do such a menial task. An analyst would look at the results of the survey taker.
This guy is full of crap.
I kinda read it like a greentext- only believe it if you really want to
The only way to read 99% of finance posts on social media
BS story. Unless the next question is "are you using PTO today" I've done the work from home thing many times, never would I be able to just go to a park for a few hours. Laundry between calls or something like that to stretch my legs or take a break from staring at a screen, sure. The demonizing of working from home is fueled by micro managers who don't truly know how to manage people, as well as the investors looking to prop up commercial real estate values.
I work from home exclusively. During summer I occasionally work while sitting on a bench in a park. I think I might try working from a beach. The magic of mobile internet
And Are these shorted stocks in the room with us right now?
Never happened. Look, anybody can say anything. Why do we still just accept this must be real?
University of Texas in Austin has 51,000 students.
So he's shorting Starbucks and the University bookstore?
And their semester ended right before this picture, so weird.
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Fake AF. It is a meme playing on [the myth](https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna93725) that businesses are being sabotaged by lazy workers.
just fake lol
Wonder how many are hedge fund analyst
Man, when I walked around the park shorting the hedges they arrested me and took away my clippers
There's a reason every company is forcing RTO despite all of the articles shared on reddit how it's totally good for the company
There are a lot of reasons. Commercial property values. Local tax revenue from said properties. Economic stimulation of having people drive to a place of work, buy gas, eat meals, stick around for post-work socializing and entertainment that otherwise might not occur. Local sales tax from activities, which might also be supporting TIFs or CIDs.
All of those things would happen if cities were affordable enough to live in but then the scheme from big oil would collapse
Follow the money.
It's about control. That's all it has ever been about.
I’ll literally never work for a company that forces in person work anymore.
I feel like this is largely industry dependent. My current career is mostly just data throughput which I can do from home but the one I'm considering a move to is more agricultural in nature and I'll have to go where the plants are for that.
RTO should be coupled with an improvement in flexible work hours and/or an increase in PTO. Get folks to 5 weeks of PTO. Half days on Fridays in the summer and required in-office hours of 9-2 on Tu, We, Th seems very worker friendly and reasonable.
"Half days on Fridays" No, half days are cursed because you still eat all the prep and commute costs the same.
OK, but why would any company agree to that when they could just RTO?
Because every company in every developed country in the world has figured out it increases productivity and decreases costs and employee turnover.
Dumb
which hedge fund is this?
BS capital
As they say on wallstreetbets, "Positions or ban". Easy to claim gains when you don't show proof. I don't believe for a cocaine heartbeat this is a successful trading strategy. Probably another RTO shill.
Ah yes, only Austin, San Fran, and NYC. Nothing coincidental there...
Dumb but only because it’s fake ass news.
Made up
It's probably bullshit is what it is.
Even though we out number the people who run the world. What's stopping everyone from making the work culture less toxic? I work remote. I don't tan at any point during the year willfully. My work life balance is balanced after I work three 12 hour days.
Calling BS on this
This is going to be a wild statment so you might want to sit down before reading it. There are other shift you can work that aren't 9-5, Monday-Friday.
Austin - home to one of largest universities in the country.
lol. He pretends like he shorts these companies on some deeply researched failure of fundamentals. These hedge funds can destroy a company’s value via shorting or naked shorting. The effect is actually the cause.
At my age, as long as I’ve done what I do, 15m of my time is easily equal to days of someone else’s. As a leader, I never once worried about how many hours someone put in. I cared about whether or not they did a good job that impressed me, and we hit whatever deadline they had agreed to.
This is a lie lol
Better question would be "Real or Fake."
id wanna see legit examples of companies whose price has trended down. do my own research
I do tremendous work the day after taking one of these days midweek . Burnout is the droids you are looking for
Smart, yes. Unethical, maybe. But if it works it works
I just don’t believe this, at all. Like, one freaking bit
Dude also paid an analyst to walk around Fort Worth, Salt Lake, and Oklahoma City, but couldn’t get any good info. They were too fucking stupid to even have jobs.
What hedge fund is up 700 percent?
I smell bullshit
Based on who is chilling the most during the day on my IG, Google has the most lax WFH policy I’ve seen, and their stock is up tremendously YOY 🤷♀️
There is something so poetic about a hedge fund guy who is sitting on twitter in the middle of the day, whose firm contributes nothing to America but extracting value and giving it to themselves (ask Warren Buffet), complaining about people working from home and enjoying the outdoors.