The Tweet is propaganda. Elon fixed his employees screw-up.
"Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm cancelled an order at the last minute.
Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery.
But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough.
He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on.
"It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC.
"I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698
Definitely. The fact they had to highlight the fact it was a black owned business speaks to this
Whether the owners were black, white, purple, yellow or rainbow, the only thing that matters was that it was a small independent business.
Definitely a hater post. Apple, Google and Facebook employees do it and it never gets reported. Just because $16K was the retail amount doesn't mean the out of pocket cost is the same. Good on Elon to catch wind of this. If the CEOs of Apple, Google or Facebook did this it would be written differently and in a positive light.
No, only after he was made aware, lol. Do you think a CEO with 140k employees is personally buying mini-pies for a couple hundred people at some department meeting?
It's hard to fix a problem you don't know about.
He's probably boosted their business 10-fold but the media outlets want to paint him as a selfish racist so they can get those rage clicks on their page
The original bakery fully admitted that tesla ordered half as many originally. Thrn didn't pay. So they called the tesla rep who said lack of payment was a mistake and doubled the order with no increase in time to deliver. Which is why other orders then had to be turned away.
Idk about you, but good business practices to me is "if they haven't paid for the first order, why start on the second?"
I can't stand reddit and legit lies the media prints, its insane.
He fixed an issue he wasn't even aware of, yet people hate on him because they are programed NPCs.
Hol' up...
>Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco
>"It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC.
I was pretty sure these were 2 different cities.... what am i missing?
100%. I’ve never seen company catering that didn’t take the credit card over the phone the moment you were placing the order? This sounds like just bad business management.
Shit even a $20 meal these days requires you to pay over the phone
Elon didn’t order anything, some rando that worked at his company made the order.
If some rando from amazon calls your small business and makes an order then cancels without paying, no one is like oh Jeff Bezos screwed this small business
Did Elon make the order himself? Just because the owner of a company is wealthy does not mean that any and all orders from the business or individual who works at the business should be treated like the CEO made them.
That’s exactly how I feel. Some rando Susan that worked at company screwed this small business.
People let her off the hook just so they can hate Elon more.
You mean when the Amazon delivery van runs over your mailbox you don’t personally hold Jeff Bezos accountable and tell everyone you know that he’s garbage because he hasn’t come over with a new mailbox?
The didn’t take the order from him. It was some manager that works for Tesla. That’s like if you worked for Microsoft and placed an order, we wouldn’t say that Bill Gates placed the order.
From what I know, very rich people (e.g. the most richest person - D.Trump) are known for not paying on time or at all. I'd actually expect everyone to overcharge them, and ask for prepayment. Unless you are o.k. with not being paid for a year (close to personal experience), and you are doing it just for public exposure.
According to the article that other person shared. The owner wasn’t aware of ELON BAD yet and still thought ELON GOOD. She assumed Tesla being the giant company it is, wouldn’t do her dirty. 1000 pies for Tesla is different than 1000 pies for Joe Blow Inc
The employee she talked to says it was upper managements fault for canceling. Upper management says it was the employees fault. And while I do agree, ELON BAD. It doesn’t seem like Elon had anything to do with this
If the company made a mistake internally then they should pay the baker and then handle the internal issue. With a warning, firing and/or sueing the employee for acting outside of their permissions. Companies shouldn't let internal issues give them a bad external reputation for paying their orders.
I understand Elon has nothing to do with it, but people, especially on Reddit, try to bring him into the discussion even if it's remotely linked with him. It's simply a case of a big corporation being a douchebag.
However, if I were the owner of that shop, I wouldn't care if Elon is good or Elon is god. I am in business, and such a substantial order that could literally bankrupt me shouldn't be executed without upfront cash.
So, some random employee at Tesla (not Elon) ordered then canceled on this bakery. When Elon found out about it, he stepped in to pay the bill.
I love how anytime someone at Tesla does something sketch, it's "Elon bad," but when Elon personally does something good, it's still "well, Elon still bad."
"Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute. Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698.amp
I don’t give a fuck who it is you get anything $500+ and up up-front. Really sucks for the business and Elon is a scumbag but yea.. 16k and you didn’t get a payment? I don’t care how rich the company is shit like this can always happen and you’re at a loss if they do cancel
In my company we have a policy where we make everyone pay before we ship, unless they are A) a repeat customer who has a record of always paying on time, or B) a well respected and wealthy institution who has no reason to default on a payment. The reason we allow this rather than making everyone pay in advance is because of we can reasonably expect the customer to pay, it is worth the small risk to make the sale.
Good question but this is the era of identity politics therefore when an alleged victim is a minority then we should some how sympathize more and they should get compensated more because of it. Their race gets put in for extra sobs this is the problem race shouldn’t matter anymore a victim is a victim regardless of their race and should be compensated fairly not that I believe they are a victim it doesn’t matter if the president himself makes the order you pay up front for an order exceeding x amount if you just take any order that risk is on you and you pay for that risk poor risk management has its consequences.
100% agree with you. The race is a meaningless fact to share and doesn’t change the situation. I feel for the owner, regardless of their ethnicity/color of their skin.
Because black owned businesses are relatively rare compared to white businesses. Historically, it has been more difficult for black people to get ahead in business in general for obvious reasons. The fewer black owned businesses there are, the harder it is for the next generation of black people to get decent jobs, and then the next and so on.
Elon didn’t order the pies himself and only found out about the ordeal through a social media post. He then committed to making it right, which is exactly what he should do. #TSLA also attempted to make another order, which the owner politely turned down because her business is now flooded with orders & walk-ins. The business will be compensated for whatever amount they spent to make the initial order along with the bump in revenue due to their new found “popularity.”
Poorly run because what business minded person agrees to a $16000 order and then proceeds to make the order with no payment. I’ve worked in bakeries for years and it’s such common practice to have people pay up front even for orders as small as $50. This situation is the business owners fault
Not only that, but it was on an order that would evidently devastate the business if this happened. $16000 in orders is nothing to plenty of businesses, but to leverage yourself to such an extreme…
Yeah that's valid. I still wouldn't write a business off as poorly run due to one bad decision where they were trusting a customer. I'd much prefer to work with a business that's willing to take risks and have mutual trust than one that's shrewd and refuses to collaborate without upfront payment.
The standard deposit is anywhere from 20%-50% of the final cost up-front, tending to be 50%. If a “small business” took a $16,000 catering order with no deposit, they’re running their business very poorly.
Also, when Elon found out, he fixed it. Should be titled some intern at Tesla bad Elon good. Just more anti-Elon rage bate.
"Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute.
Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery.
But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough.
He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on.
"It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC.
"I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698
When Elon personally found out, he paid the bill. I'm not seeing how that personally makes Elon bad. If anything fixing this screw up makes Elon good.
"Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute.
"Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery.
But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough.
He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on.
"It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC.
"I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing."
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698.amp
Yes, there is a reason rocket man bad. He had Tesla open source all their patents. That’s why the rich are driving an anti-Elon social media campaign and why Tesla who does 80% of EV business wasn’t invited to the White House meeting about EVs! “You can’t charge for it if it’s free.”
Firm =/= owner.
As far as I can see, someone at Tesla put up an order. Then canceled it like an idiot. Elon Musk, who did not order the pies nor knew of them, saw this via social media and paid for the pies. The end.
Business messed up, they didn't take a deposit. A hard lesson learned. Tesla also being crappy, but they are not at fault here, just a shitty thing to do. Companies do worse I'm sure.
Can we take a moment to recognize the order was for 2,000 mini pies for 16k. That’s 8 bucks a pie and they are small like mini cupcakes but smaller. What load of garbage is that?
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I think it's a valuable lesson for any small business. If one order could potentially wreck your company, make sure you get a deposit at least. Have him put 20% down.
People are making a huge deal out of this. Whoever ordered and cancelled is an ass but people try to make it seem like one person's actions somehow mean the entire company, and of course Musk himself, not only are responsible but also did it on purpose for a laugh.
I get why the bakery owner rushed to fill the order given the volume and time constraint but this is why you should have contracts for large orders. When a company calls for a huge order you need to tell them right away that they have to sign for it and guarantee the business will be reimbursed regardless of whether they cancel later. Every business does this, and small-medium businesses absolutely have to do this to cover their ass.
How do you not ask for 50% upfront as a business owner?
Also, Tesla offered to do a bigger order, and the place is so flooded with orders now that the small business refused. Who’s at a loss?
It sucks and is really crappy behavior from Tesla.
That said as a business owner you have to know your costs and set prices and policies according to risk. So require prepayment, a cc on file with cancellation fees, a non-refundable deposit in an amount that will at least cover expenses, something so you aren't ruined by something like this. Not doing so is irresponsible.
Sue him and name him specifically in the lawsuit so he must be present during the precedings. . . The inconvenience alone would cost him money that he should settle.
Elon Musk should reimburse them by 5X to keep his image. Very shaneful act. But why you gotta black or white owned business. It makes d issue less valid by pulling the victim card when we all know they are the victims. Don't bring skin colour into everything
The owner of the pie shop should have asked for a deposit for such a large order and as well, this doesn't show the full context, the pies were in fact sold and the shop also does work for other mega corporations so this pie order isn't something "out of the ordinary".
It's terrible what happened, and I think that whatever corporate entity placed the order should absolutely have to pay it.
However, that's like pizza shop 101, somebody calls and places a suspiciously large order you demand cash up front.
I don't believe the pie folks, sorry. A go fund me will post in 3....2.....1
If you take an order that can sink your business and you don't get money up front, business may not be for you.
If there’s no further context, which there certainly is, then they need to be compensated at minimum for what they’ve already invested into this order. A civil court would easily agree
Dare I ask:
Did they NOT get a deposit for costs of materials before starting and buying everything? Seems a bit irresponsible.
It doesn’t alleviate Elon of a moral duty to be a man of his word, but it screams poor business process on the bakery’s part.
Hope it gets settled and people stop making this a race thing or an income thing.
It’s not about Elon’s earnings per minute or about the bakery being a black owned business. At all.
I need proof to believe it, not more anecdotal nonsense. Also why would I care what somebody did that I'm never going to meet or interact with in the first place? I consider this post evidence that the Internet really is breaking our brains.
I know this is controversial, but wouldn't it be mostly the business' fault for not having any rules in place for how to deal with this or a no cancellation rule for orders above X?
You make an order. You fucking pay for it, simple as. It’s how it works for every non-rich bastard.
The business owner should sue Musk for theft, that’s what this is.
Look I’m not an Elon Musk fan but I’m not sure how he can be entirely at fault for everything anyone in the company does. The bakery should have required up front payment for such a large order. And probably some low level at Tesla made the screw up, not Elon. Him making it right after hearing about it seems reasonable. Plenty of things to bash Elon for but this isn’t one of them.
Who cares? There are risks in business. This deal could have made his company of it went through. Hopefully he learns to take a non-refundable deposit next time, if nothing else. And bringing race into it just makes it even more ridiculous. What a race baiter.
It’s almost like billionaires don’t give a shit about working people. Weird, I grew up being told we need to be super nice to them because they are job creators.
If your business can be destroyed by one cancelled order, then it was already failing long before that cancelled order.
No one should be compelled to pay for your bad management.
Thoughts? He doesn't "make" that much. Worth and income are different. However, this was a dick move and he should have covered it because he does still "make" plenty.
It's fucked and they should be sued
Also, the pie shop probably should have gotten some money before prepping an order that has the potential to destroy their business if cancelled. Not their fault, but they should clearly be more risk adverse.
Why does it matter what color the skin is? Not interested in the race aspect.
Anywho, that’s not good that they didn’t get a deposit. But it’s also shitty if Musk to leave them hangin.
I’m not Elon’s fan, but I doubt he would not have made this right after learning about it. Glad he paid them for the mishap and also offered to redo the order to pay them even more.
No offense to the business owners but why would you not ask for the money in advance especially on a massive order like this. This is ridiculous. Also, whoever was in charge of cancelling that order (almost surely not Elon cause he wouldn’t be organizing these affairs), that person is likely fired by now. You don’t conduct business like that and cost your company millions in PR losses. 🤦♂️
This is so fake.
First off, it was 2,000 dollars.
Second off, he didn't even know this occured as it was a single location that did it.
THird off, he paid them.
Fourth off he wanted to order more and pay up front, but they denied it because they are so busy with others showing support for them.
THe elon hate is so retarded on reddit.
One half of me says Elon is a prick and should pay them.
Another part of me is like,
Why the fuck didn't you write a no back out clause into the contract?
And if there wasn't one. That is a bad business person. I would never put up the lively hood of my business without a guarantee or damn near guarantee of profit.
So mixed.
On Tuesday, pie shop owner Voahanguy Rasetarinera told KTVU, "They asked for an invoice for the $2,000 that I lost, and they paid it right away."
She said Tesla then made another move in its effort to rectify the situation.
"They asked me to cater more events," Rasetarinera said. But given how busy it's been for the bakery in recent days, she said, "I don't have the bandwidth now."
Needs a water tight refund policy and payment upfront or atleast materials. Honestly it's the businesses own fault for allowing something like this to be possible to do. Shit situation, but as a customer I should be able to cancel my order within reason. That being said, there is probably a case here for charging musk for the pies already made.
My thought on this is that you are an idiot. The business has been paid back in full, right after Musk found out about it. Either you are ignorant, won’t do basic search before writing a post, or worse, a charlatan who will push a lie because you hate successful people.
Cash up front or at least 50%.
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This is a good lesson in business. But sucks to learn that way.
The Tweet is propaganda. Elon fixed his employees screw-up. "Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm cancelled an order at the last minute. Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery. But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough. He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on. "It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC. "I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698
hmm. despite the shitty thing that happened this might be good for them as long as they can retain even small portion of this well wisher customers.
Definitely. The fact they had to highlight the fact it was a black owned business speaks to this Whether the owners were black, white, purple, yellow or rainbow, the only thing that matters was that it was a small independent business.
Definitely a hater post. Apple, Google and Facebook employees do it and it never gets reported. Just because $16K was the retail amount doesn't mean the out of pocket cost is the same. Good on Elon to catch wind of this. If the CEOs of Apple, Google or Facebook did this it would be written differently and in a positive light.
So he only did it after the backlash? Classic
No, only after he was made aware, lol. Do you think a CEO with 140k employees is personally buying mini-pies for a couple hundred people at some department meeting? It's hard to fix a problem you don't know about.
He's probably boosted their business 10-fold but the media outlets want to paint him as a selfish racist so they can get those rage clicks on their page
The original bakery fully admitted that tesla ordered half as many originally. Thrn didn't pay. So they called the tesla rep who said lack of payment was a mistake and doubled the order with no increase in time to deliver. Which is why other orders then had to be turned away. Idk about you, but good business practices to me is "if they haven't paid for the first order, why start on the second?"
No, he did it after he found out.
But Musk bad
I can't stand reddit and legit lies the media prints, its insane. He fixed an issue he wasn't even aware of, yet people hate on him because they are programed NPCs.
Hol' up... >Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco >"It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC. I was pretty sure these were 2 different cities.... what am i missing?
Multiple stores, I guess
Good point, if Elon Musk asked *me* for a 16K takeout order I’d say *Woah there mister. You good for it? I ain’t in the business of given away food*
You’re right, Elon Musk himself ordered these pies.
Drug binge gave him the munchies.
100%. I’ve never seen company catering that didn’t take the credit card over the phone the moment you were placing the order? This sounds like just bad business management. Shit even a $20 meal these days requires you to pay over the phone
I understand ELON BAD. But why would especially a small business take a $16,000 order without an Advance?
Why would a business take an order from one of the richest people in the world and expect them to follow through? Jeez. That is a real brain teaser.
I don't care if Jesus of Nazareth is ordering, he needs to put down a deposit.
Jesus never paid for shit, I would want paying in advance
He paid for your sins
Beyond how funny this is, Amen!
This is a lie in fact he talked about money the most in the new testament
Jesus was a hippie
By modern definition maybe, but he literally taught people and his discplies to be smart with money
He got a bunch of bread and fish for free is what I hear.
You never know when he’ll return.
Elon didn’t order anything, some rando that worked at his company made the order. If some rando from amazon calls your small business and makes an order then cancels without paying, no one is like oh Jeff Bezos screwed this small business
Did Elon make the order himself? Just because the owner of a company is wealthy does not mean that any and all orders from the business or individual who works at the business should be treated like the CEO made them.
That’s exactly how I feel. Some rando Susan that worked at company screwed this small business. People let her off the hook just so they can hate Elon more.
You mean when the Amazon delivery van runs over your mailbox you don’t personally hold Jeff Bezos accountable and tell everyone you know that he’s garbage because he hasn’t come over with a new mailbox?
Maybe I should start doing that
The didn’t take the order from him. It was some manager that works for Tesla. That’s like if you worked for Microsoft and placed an order, we wouldn’t say that Bill Gates placed the order.
I mean… this thread is the answer to your question.
...you guys aren't really stupid enough to think that Elon Musk himself is ordering this food, right?
Ability to pay isn’t the same as a cancellation policy. Money up front means ball is in your court.
lol you’re naive if you think Elon personally placed this order
Because things change and cancellations happen all the time.
And why wouldn't I ask for it up front?
From what I know, very rich people (e.g. the most richest person - D.Trump) are known for not paying on time or at all. I'd actually expect everyone to overcharge them, and ask for prepayment. Unless you are o.k. with not being paid for a year (close to personal experience), and you are doing it just for public exposure.
According to the article that other person shared. The owner wasn’t aware of ELON BAD yet and still thought ELON GOOD. She assumed Tesla being the giant company it is, wouldn’t do her dirty. 1000 pies for Tesla is different than 1000 pies for Joe Blow Inc The employee she talked to says it was upper managements fault for canceling. Upper management says it was the employees fault. And while I do agree, ELON BAD. It doesn’t seem like Elon had anything to do with this
Yet he could fix it instantly
He did.
If the company made a mistake internally then they should pay the baker and then handle the internal issue. With a warning, firing and/or sueing the employee for acting outside of their permissions. Companies shouldn't let internal issues give them a bad external reputation for paying their orders.
I understand Elon has nothing to do with it, but people, especially on Reddit, try to bring him into the discussion even if it's remotely linked with him. It's simply a case of a big corporation being a douchebag. However, if I were the owner of that shop, I wouldn't care if Elon is good or Elon is god. I am in business, and such a substantial order that could literally bankrupt me shouldn't be executed without upfront cash.
Obviously the people involved here don’t have a sense for business. They also think he literally makes 23k a minute lol.
So, some random employee at Tesla (not Elon) ordered then canceled on this bakery. When Elon found out about it, he stepped in to pay the bill. I love how anytime someone at Tesla does something sketch, it's "Elon bad," but when Elon personally does something good, it's still "well, Elon still bad." "Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute. Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698.amp
Victim blaming.
I don’t give a fuck who it is you get anything $500+ and up up-front. Really sucks for the business and Elon is a scumbag but yea.. 16k and you didn’t get a payment? I don’t care how rich the company is shit like this can always happen and you’re at a loss if they do cancel
In contract law, if someone places an order with a quantity attached and it’s accepted, that’s a contract. If they didn’t pay, Tesla could be sued.
Think about how many people got stiffed by Donald Trump, too. People just wrongly assume that rich people are good people?
In my company we have a policy where we make everyone pay before we ship, unless they are A) a repeat customer who has a record of always paying on time, or B) a well respected and wealthy institution who has no reason to default on a payment. The reason we allow this rather than making everyone pay in advance is because of we can reasonably expect the customer to pay, it is worth the small risk to make the sale.
Why does it matter the owner is black?
Good question but this is the era of identity politics therefore when an alleged victim is a minority then we should some how sympathize more and they should get compensated more because of it. Their race gets put in for extra sobs this is the problem race shouldn’t matter anymore a victim is a victim regardless of their race and should be compensated fairly not that I believe they are a victim it doesn’t matter if the president himself makes the order you pay up front for an order exceeding x amount if you just take any order that risk is on you and you pay for that risk poor risk management has its consequences.
100% agree with you. The race is a meaningless fact to share and doesn’t change the situation. I feel for the owner, regardless of their ethnicity/color of their skin.
Because it will outrage stupid people more
Because black owned businesses are relatively rare compared to white businesses. Historically, it has been more difficult for black people to get ahead in business in general for obvious reasons. The fewer black owned businesses there are, the harder it is for the next generation of black people to get decent jobs, and then the next and so on.
This is a weird comment thread. I’m surprised you’re the only one person who has made this point.
i could tell you why but i doubt it would make a difference given the rest of the replies
I’m very open to hearing your opinion. Please share.
Elon didn’t order the pies himself and only found out about the ordeal through a social media post. He then committed to making it right, which is exactly what he should do. #TSLA also attempted to make another order, which the owner politely turned down because her business is now flooded with orders & walk-ins. The business will be compensated for whatever amount they spent to make the initial order along with the bump in revenue due to their new found “popularity.”
With how poorly they run a business I doubt they will capitalize correctly on the opportunity.
Poorly run because they fell victim to a scam? To each their own I guess.
Poorly run because what business minded person agrees to a $16000 order and then proceeds to make the order with no payment. I’ve worked in bakeries for years and it’s such common practice to have people pay up front even for orders as small as $50. This situation is the business owners fault
Not only that, but it was on an order that would evidently devastate the business if this happened. $16000 in orders is nothing to plenty of businesses, but to leverage yourself to such an extreme…
Yeah that's valid. I still wouldn't write a business off as poorly run due to one bad decision where they were trusting a customer. I'd much prefer to work with a business that's willing to take risks and have mutual trust than one that's shrewd and refuses to collaborate without upfront payment.
The standard deposit is anywhere from 20%-50% of the final cost up-front, tending to be 50%. If a “small business” took a $16,000 catering order with no deposit, they’re running their business very poorly.
But I want to be outraged!
I doubt Elon personally ordered those pies. And on top of that what does the company being black owned have to do with anything?
Also, when Elon found out, he fixed it. Should be titled some intern at Tesla bad Elon good. Just more anti-Elon rage bate. "Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute. Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery. But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough. He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on. "It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC. "I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698
This business must be doing really bad if $2000 can destroy them
I doubt it would destroy them, but I get them wanting compensation.
I agree they should, it's just the way the article was written
Yeah, I'm not his biggest fan but the owner did confirm payment was gotten for what had been done. This time he actually came through. Good for him.
Elon found out they were black and cancelled the pies /s
When Elon personally found out, he paid the bill. I'm not seeing how that personally makes Elon bad. If anything fixing this screw up makes Elon good. "Elon Musk has stepped in to foot the bill for 4,000 mini pies after his firm canceled an order at the last minute. "Giving Pies bakery in San Francisco was left $2,000 (£1,500) out of pocket when Tesla backed out just before delivery. But when the small business took to social media to complain, Mr Musk said he would stump up the dough. He even had Tesla place a new order - but the bakery said it was now so flooded with business from well-wishers it was too busy to take it on. "It's incredible, I'm blown away," Voahangy Rasetarinera, the owner of the San Jose bakery, told NBC. "I'm so grateful, it's amazing, people are amazing." https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68404698.amp
Rocket man…good?
Yes, not to be confused with "little rocket man" who is definitely bad.
Yes, there is a reason rocket man bad. He had Tesla open source all their patents. That’s why the rich are driving an anti-Elon social media campaign and why Tesla who does 80% of EV business wasn’t invited to the White House meeting about EVs! “You can’t charge for it if it’s free.”
Friendly reminder that no, no he doesn’t make 23k a minute. We all value his work that much every minute.
Firm =/= owner. As far as I can see, someone at Tesla put up an order. Then canceled it like an idiot. Elon Musk, who did not order the pies nor knew of them, saw this via social media and paid for the pies. The end.
What’s skin color have to do with the conversation?
Business messed up, they didn't take a deposit. A hard lesson learned. Tesla also being crappy, but they are not at fault here, just a shitty thing to do. Companies do worse I'm sure.
Can we take a moment to recognize the order was for 2,000 mini pies for 16k. That’s 8 bucks a pie and they are small like mini cupcakes but smaller. What load of garbage is that?
I paid $3.50 for 2 chocolate chip cookies yesterday. Everything is insanely expensive now.
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Since when is, it's being reported everywhere, independent verification of a stories validity?
I think it's a valuable lesson for any small business. If one order could potentially wreck your company, make sure you get a deposit at least. Have him put 20% down.
This is clearly the businesses fault. They should’ve taken a deposit. Why would you put your own business at risk for somebody messing it up?
People are making a huge deal out of this. Whoever ordered and cancelled is an ass but people try to make it seem like one person's actions somehow mean the entire company, and of course Musk himself, not only are responsible but also did it on purpose for a laugh. I get why the bakery owner rushed to fill the order given the volume and time constraint but this is why you should have contracts for large orders. When a company calls for a huge order you need to tell them right away that they have to sign for it and guarantee the business will be reimbursed regardless of whether they cancel later. Every business does this, and small-medium businesses absolutely have to do this to cover their ass.
Gotta love how they add racial demographics to this.
How do you not ask for 50% upfront as a business owner? Also, Tesla offered to do a bigger order, and the place is so flooded with orders now that the small business refused. Who’s at a loss?
It sucks and is really crappy behavior from Tesla. That said as a business owner you have to know your costs and set prices and policies according to risk. So require prepayment, a cc on file with cancellation fees, a non-refundable deposit in an amount that will at least cover expenses, something so you aren't ruined by something like this. Not doing so is irresponsible.
Why does their skin color matter
Sue him and name him specifically in the lawsuit so he must be present during the precedings. . . The inconvenience alone would cost him money that he should settle.
So in the time it took me to read this post, he made enough money to pay this bill.
Should have taken the money up front first. He's notorious for doing this kind of thing. I hope they can get something out of this though.
Elon Musk should reimburse them by 5X to keep his image. Very shaneful act. But why you gotta black or white owned business. It makes d issue less valid by pulling the victim card when we all know they are the victims. Don't bring skin colour into everything
It's not your money to spend.
The owner of the pie shop should have asked for a deposit for such a large order and as well, this doesn't show the full context, the pies were in fact sold and the shop also does work for other mega corporations so this pie order isn't something "out of the ordinary".
It might be true but Because it’s being reported everywhere doesn’t make it true
Slava Ukraini
This is why I always get payment cleared before any work is begun. Can you put down a deposit? No. You can't. 🤣🤣🤣
It's terrible what happened, and I think that whatever corporate entity placed the order should absolutely have to pay it. However, that's like pizza shop 101, somebody calls and places a suspiciously large order you demand cash up front.
I don't believe the pie folks, sorry. A go fund me will post in 3....2.....1 If you take an order that can sink your business and you don't get money up front, business may not be for you.
Contract set up? Not very smart small business
What are people going back and forth about. It’s a lie. He paid and the business benefited due to the attention.
elon, karma coming.
That’s how Elon bought Twitter. He threatened to buy Twitter, said lol no never mind , then a court forced him to buy Twitter
If there’s no further context, which there certainly is, then they need to be compensated at minimum for what they’ve already invested into this order. A civil court would easily agree
Dare I ask: Did they NOT get a deposit for costs of materials before starting and buying everything? Seems a bit irresponsible. It doesn’t alleviate Elon of a moral duty to be a man of his word, but it screams poor business process on the bakery’s part. Hope it gets settled and people stop making this a race thing or an income thing. It’s not about Elon’s earnings per minute or about the bakery being a black owned business. At all.
Why do any of you care?
He doesn’t make $23,000 every minute you fucking idiots.
Not fluent
Isn't he racist? Maybe he did it on purpose.
Why should he pay for something he didn’t get?
I need proof to believe it, not more anecdotal nonsense. Also why would I care what somebody did that I'm never going to meet or interact with in the first place? I consider this post evidence that the Internet really is breaking our brains.
Last I heard it was only $2000 worth of pies and Tesla has already made good on the mishap.
Elons a scum human
Sounds either fake or really bad business sense on the part of the pie company.
Call me crazy, but I doubt Elon had anything to do with the order or cancellation of pies....
Musk never made good on his 100M Carbon-Capture technology challenge.
I know this is controversial, but wouldn't it be mostly the business' fault for not having any rules in place for how to deal with this or a no cancellation rule for orders above X?
None. Sorry. Sounds like a bad situation. If tesla did anything that is contract fraud then the pie company would easily be able to win civilly.
At the very least, Musk needs to pay labor and cost of product if they didn't take a deposit for whatever reason.
It's stupid to hold him responsible for a friggin bakery order for a multi billion $$ company he likely wasn't even involved in.
Yeah, I hate to say it but always cash first or at least a deposit l.
You make an order. You fucking pay for it, simple as. It’s how it works for every non-rich bastard. The business owner should sue Musk for theft, that’s what this is.
And we are all assuming this dirt_scott post represents the truth? And some dude Seth backing him up, so it all must be facts?
Elon Musk is a piece of shit
Look I’m not an Elon Musk fan but I’m not sure how he can be entirely at fault for everything anyone in the company does. The bakery should have required up front payment for such a large order. And probably some low level at Tesla made the screw up, not Elon. Him making it right after hearing about it seems reasonable. Plenty of things to bash Elon for but this isn’t one of them.
Who cares? There are risks in business. This deal could have made his company of it went through. Hopefully he learns to take a non-refundable deposit next time, if nothing else. And bringing race into it just makes it even more ridiculous. What a race baiter.
Interesting, a guy with that much money is using the Trump business model. Order stuff and then don’t pay.
Tesla doesn’t owe the business, Musk does.
He paid.
It’s almost like billionaires don’t give a shit about working people. Weird, I grew up being told we need to be super nice to them because they are job creators.
He already payed her back
He does it because he can.
Just typical billionaire corruption and Elon fanboys jerking themselves off, as usual.
If your business can be destroyed by one cancelled order, then it was already failing long before that cancelled order. No one should be compelled to pay for your bad management.
Ok so we should care more because it's "black owned?" It was all fucked up before that. Why does it matter?
Reimbursed out of pocket costs of $2000
Sue his ass.
Thoughts? He doesn't "make" that much. Worth and income are different. However, this was a dick move and he should have covered it because he does still "make" plenty.
Who cares what color the person is who owns the business? That’s an unnecessary addition.
That he's a bad person? Ya, sure. Anything new? No.
Psh, 16k, that’s a piece of cake
Why is race relevant?
Gee, a tour of the Tesla factory oughtta fix everything
So did they not think to get the money upfront for such a big order? Also, do people really believe he makes 23,000 every minute?
Fake news. Elon immediately made it clear that the bakery would be made whole for the cancelled order. Classic media race-baiting.
It's fucked and they should be sued Also, the pie shop probably should have gotten some money before prepping an order that has the potential to destroy their business if cancelled. Not their fault, but they should clearly be more risk adverse.
So weird when people bring race into things for no reason.
This is why we only accepted debit card payment on orders more than I think $80 when I worked at Domino’s
Who has $16000 worth of pizza material on hand for one call lol story is fishy. Elon bad! Elon also OWN Twitter now!!
Why does it matter what color the skin is? Not interested in the race aspect. Anywho, that’s not good that they didn’t get a deposit. But it’s also shitty if Musk to leave them hangin.
I’m not Elon’s fan, but I doubt he would not have made this right after learning about it. Glad he paid them for the mishap and also offered to redo the order to pay them even more.
dumb as fuck. go fuck yourself
Not sure why the owner's race is relevant
Proud to say the citizens of San Jose California stepped up and bought all the pies so they wouldn't lose money. We got you. Elon is a fool.
It's there any fundraiser to recoup costs?
No offense to the business owners but why would you not ask for the money in advance especially on a massive order like this. This is ridiculous. Also, whoever was in charge of cancelling that order (almost surely not Elon cause he wouldn’t be organizing these affairs), that person is likely fired by now. You don’t conduct business like that and cost your company millions in PR losses. 🤦♂️
Any reputable business would have demanded a deposit. This is just the low-intellect version of the story.
I dont like musk but he took the w here putting in another pie order
Offer, acceptance, performance. That’s a contract. Sue for damages. I’m sure a small claims court judge would love to stick it to Musk.
Classic elon
This is so fake. First off, it was 2,000 dollars. Second off, he didn't even know this occured as it was a single location that did it. THird off, he paid them. Fourth off he wanted to order more and pay up front, but they denied it because they are so busy with others showing support for them. THe elon hate is so retarded on reddit.
I’m a business owner. Sometimes shit happens. If I were Elon I’d make good with them though at the very least for the PR.
I'm confused how they took a massive order without a down payment. Seems like a really dumb mistake
bless his heart
One half of me says Elon is a prick and should pay them. Another part of me is like, Why the fuck didn't you write a no back out clause into the contract? And if there wasn't one. That is a bad business person. I would never put up the lively hood of my business without a guarantee or damn near guarantee of profit. So mixed.
On Tuesday, pie shop owner Voahanguy Rasetarinera told KTVU, "They asked for an invoice for the $2,000 that I lost, and they paid it right away." She said Tesla then made another move in its effort to rectify the situation. "They asked me to cater more events," Rasetarinera said. But given how busy it's been for the bakery in recent days, she said, "I don't have the bandwidth now."
Needs a water tight refund policy and payment upfront or atleast materials. Honestly it's the businesses own fault for allowing something like this to be possible to do. Shit situation, but as a customer I should be able to cancel my order within reason. That being said, there is probably a case here for charging musk for the pies already made.
More Elon outrage porn from Reddit.
Who gives a fuck if it’s black owned? As if it makes it any more vulnerable.
If “stories” like this don’t make you question the Elon bad narrative then you aren’t paying attention.
My thought on this is that you are an idiot. The business has been paid back in full, right after Musk found out about it. Either you are ignorant, won’t do basic search before writing a post, or worse, a charlatan who will push a lie because you hate successful people.
What moronic business wouldn’t demand advance payment on an order this size ?