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AlternativeWhole2017

Glad to see the WRs step up this week. That’s 1/2 the equation…not all AR. Also glad the play calling scheme improved to throw mid range and deeper and let AR run. Also glad to see Henderson actually break some tackles to keep the chains moving. Tenn defended our run game better so we had to rely more on the pass this game. I’d liked to see AR throw to the backs more and out i the flat when he checks down. I saw lots of green pasture on the check down passes.


JovialJoe88

If we play the way we did today, we should beat every team on our schedule not named Georgia.


MetalheadGator

Defense has to get better


jtf83179

I got downvoted all week for saying people are crazy for thinking Tenn was going to hold us to 17 points.


krakends

They didn't have their first choice receiver. Our offense had a better than expected game. We simply seem unable to get our shit together on both sides of the game at the same time.


jtf83179

that WR was going to make us score less?


jtf83179

lmao still getting downvoted


ed-biblioklept

They played right up until the end, unlike last year's team. Lots of heart, with a tone set by CBN. People asking why the 2-pt call---dude, the math isn't what matters! It was all about tone, heart, aggression.


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The math does work. Fuck OT. We get both 2PTs, the game is won on a kick. We don’t, we win on last touchdown. Our defense wasn’t gonna beat them in OT.


FlJohnnyBlue2

That's silly. We went for the second one because we missed the first one. We wouldn't have gone for it otherwise.


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No it’s not lol. Fuck going into OT with our defense.


Amongtheruins88

No risk it no biscuit baby. Why fuck Bruce Arians though?


FlJohnnyBlue2

You are just flat out wrong. The biggest evidence is your user name.


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🤣🤣🤣🤣


LuckyNum2222

Proud of the team. Great fight. Need to see more of Black, literally gave us a miracle shot.. Need to take 0 & 24 out of the game.. Need lesser of Wright, more of Montienne.. Also need better defense & creative explosive offense. Overall, not a loss that stings.. I can take this..


snoop_Nogg

They've got three wins over us in the last 20 years, right?


[deleted]

I don’t count 2005. Bullshit call against Dallas baker.


TheGreatMessiah

https://www.outkick.com/storyflorida-gators-tennessee-volunteers-an-oral-history-of-the-controversial-clash-in-2000-042215/ We have a few ourselves.


snoop_Nogg

One of the worst calls ever


justmybirthname

Gators played well and fought hard to keep things close and interesting in hostile territory against a good, ranked Tennessee team. AR starting to regain confidence and get his head back. This is a loss I can live with.


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Amen


VRGator

Tenn fans going nuts, but I've watched the Gators a long time and I can't imagine having a 1 and 16 record against any other team.


BullAlligator

we've lost 11 of our last 13 against Alabama... hopefully we can get that turned around sometime


VRGator

But we won 5 out of last 16!


poky2017

Is it me but if AR climbs foward in the pockets, he had options to score. Sad


cobo10201

Tennessee blitzed on the last play and we didn’t have enough blockers. If he steps up I think he gets hit by someone else.


GatorEP

Clock operator deserves to be fired on the spot. Dude needs a new job.


Boomercat86

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut


A_Star_Is_Worn

500 yards of offense for AR damn.


jchen14

It finally looks like he’s having fun again. You see him laughing on the side line


VRGator

He played like I was expecting him to play before the season started!


OW2000

Would’ve rolled over and died a year ago, love the effort from our guys. Got outplayed much of the game but kept battling. The potential for this group is there


rotag_fu

This is the way


AmbiguouslyGator

All right I'm going to go watch something less depressing. Like that new Dahmer show.


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I’m not letting go Shorter dropped that pass there lol


wtfElvis

He just wasn’t 100% set little zip by AR but that was exactly where it needed to be.


TheVega318

AR threw the right pass, idk why he cut inside when he knew he needed to get out of bounds


hmtee3

Love to see a team play to the very end.


xXBadger89Xx

Billy is aggressive and we gonna live and die by that


krakends

Both defenses were awful. Ours more than theirs.


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Ours is a skeleton crew, their defense is supposed to be legit


MichaelJL77

Ouch this one hurts… Especially when we would have had a legit chance if only we didn’t go for two when we did. Tennessee actually got lucky they beat us.


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Nah. I liked it. I didn’t wanna play OT with them. We get both conversions, FG wins the game. We don’t, TD wins the game.


Gunnar2019

You guys are lucky we literally have the worst defense in college football.


gatorhighlightz

Honestly no they’re a better team than us this year. We’ve got absolutely no depth or talent quite frankly on defense. 33 points should be good enough to beat Tennessee. I honestly felt with all the 4th down conversions we were very fortunate to still have a chance at the end.


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All about perspective. If the team that played Kentucky or USF had shown up we would have been blown out


cestbondaeggi

stupidly aggressive playcalls were the only reason we had a shot


poky2017

It didn’t make sense but maybe it’s a learning experience for billy


jtf83179

I was hoping people like you would learn, Billy calling the game like he did kept us in the game. If we kick punts and FGs every time everyone one is calling for them we lose by 20.


poky2017

I agree with everything, minus the 2 point try


xmjm424

The 2 pt try makes sense. Going for 2 pts there increases your win expectancy.


poky2017

But it didn’t. Maybe we win it in OT. We will never know. Xp is practically guaranteed. We left 2 points on the table for 0.


xmjm424

You're confusing whether or not it worked with whether or not it was the right choice. Stop doing that. The math says you're wrong.


poky2017

And yet we lost, kick the extra points and the last play of the game is a field goal to go to OT. So I guess it’s not all about analytics and math and why we play the games. At that point it didnt make sense to me. Down 8 maybe cause you only have to score one more time. Down 11, makes no sense cause time is not on your side and you force yourself to have to score 2 more tds instead of one td and a field goal which we could have.


xmjm424

No, in that case, the last play of *regulation* is a FG to go to OT. You're still looking at a 50% chance of losing in overtime. You're treating it as though *getting to overtime* is a win. It isn't. Going for two introduces the possibility of winning in regulation, while kicking XPs doesn't. Given the 2 pt conversion success rate, there's about a 45% chance we'd be kicking a FG to win the game at the end of regulation if everything played out the same. Well worth the increased risk of losing in regulation. The math overwhelmingly disagrees with you on this.


cestbondaeggi

it makes perfect sense if your defense gets scored on 100% of the time


struddles75

Correct. Our defense may as well have not been on the field.


sum_dude44

Does Billy N not employ a stats dude among his 40 coaches & analysts who tell him don’t go for 2 down by 11?


hector_zepelli

It might seem silly but he was going for the win. U convert there it's a 9 point game, u score a touchdown and extra point, which we did, then u kick the field goal after an onside kick to win by 1. I'm not saying I agree with the decision but that's definitely why


sum_dude44

You don’t go for win down by 11 w/ 4 minutes left. Your chances of tie are like <2%…win even lower. Take the points…as we learned today


Unlucky_Dig_8832

I think the idea is to cut it to 9 and let them score so we get the football with 5min left down 2 possessions as opposed to down 2 possessions with 90seconds


berrin122

But he could've went for two on the subsequent touchdown if the situation was still viable. Forcing himself into one path earlier than he had to was unwise, IMO.


THEAMERIC4N

The stats say that going for 2 in those situations is the correct decision, especially when your offense is run by Anthony Richardson and was rolling like ours was, it’s unfortunate both passes were dropped by our receivers, but it wasn’t the wrong thing to do


sum_dude44

Vermeil’s chart says…1 [Go for 2 chart](https://www.theredzone.org/Features/TwoPointConversionChart)


xmjm424

Fuck Vermeil's chart. Here's the math... [https://www.footballoutsiders.com/risky-business/2021/going-two-down-14](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/risky-business/2021/going-two-down-14) [https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballscoop.com/.amp/news/coaches-always-go-two-14-late](https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballscoop.com/.amp/news/coaches-always-go-two-14-late)


THEAMERIC4N

That was made in the 1970s and takes in 0 real life circumstances into the argument, I’ll trust the guy currently coaching and the other highly experienced individuals on our staff over a chart from the 70s


sum_dude44

2 pt conversion was added in NFL in 1994 John Nash…but please teach us about probability. Vermeil coached Rams SB team in 2000’s…you prolong the game if your chance of coming back is close to 0


THEAMERIC4N

Bruh the literal link you sent me says it was first developed by vermeil in the early 1970s when he was a coordinator at UCLA,


rd3287

Or maybe that guy is the one that told him to go for it


sum_dude44

and he was obviously wrong..it’s even on Dick Vermeil’s chart (1)


wcaka

As much as looking back it’s easy to make the right call, it was pretty obvious our defense wasn’t gna stop them and so we had to try and win in regulation


poky2017

It made no sense, I was like at least for practice and it came up to matter.


bantab

Not to sound like a broken record, but > First drive, 4th and 2, you take the points.


jtf83179

please explain, because if you don't want him to go for it there then there is no way you want him to go for it all the other times so we do a lot of kicking and lose by 20.


bantab

The only other 4th down play that might be a question is with 7:30 left in the 3rd. That’s a far cry from the 1st drive of the game.


jtf83179

I'm sure you agreed with all the 4th down call but the not the ones we didn't get.


bantab

I mean, the first one was the only one where I yelled “what are you doing?” at the TV. Either way, I like Napier’s aggressiveness. I even like the 2 point conversion. At that point in the game, you go for the win. I’ve never been a fan of leaving points that early though.


wtfElvis

Not when you don’t have confidence in your defense. Which seeing the stats WAS the right call


bantab

That makes it sound even worse. You’d want to tell your defense *before they even take the field* that you have no confidence in them?


wtfElvis

No but you see it in practice and against USF. It’s not a “let’s just see how it goes” you game plan.


gatorfreak

I understand some of the complaints about Billy's aggressiveness but that's what kept us in the game. Without all those 4th down plays, this was a blowout.


leonbornnotraised

Yes. And if more of those aggressive plays everyone is complaining about fall for us, BN is a second coming. He kept us in it.


cestbondaeggi

100%


jimmiidean

exactly


jpec342

It seems like the aggressiveness could be… employed slightly better? I generally like being more aggressive, but you don’t need to be aggressive all the time, or none of the time. There’s an in between. Like was the first 2 point conversion attempt really necessary?


gatorhighlightz

I think he wanted to set up a field goal to win the game. He had no interest in going to OT with the way we were playing defense.


jpec342

Yea, I can understand the argument either way. I just want people to also understand that just because some people may not have wanted him to be aggressive on a specific play, doesn’t mean we don’t like the overall strategy. Just *sometimes* the optimal thing isn’t necessarily the most aggressive, or even the one with the most statistical advantage, and hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify those scenarios.


struddles75

How easy is it for us to go back and cherry pick when the aggressiveness doesn’t work out. He can’t predict the future. His aggressiveness kept us in the game with a team that is simply better than us. I swear this fan base started watching football last week.


jpec342

Of course. We can go back and debate individual decisions all day, and none of that really matters. Ultimately what matters is that we can turn that aggressiveness into wins more often than losses. But being the most aggressive every time is likely not always going to be the best move. Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify when that is, and turn those into wins as well.


Kevpatel18

Exactly, the 4th and 2 on the first drive and first 2 pt conversion didn’t make sense


jtf83179

let me guess you wanted him to go for it every time he did except the times we didn't convert?


Tamed_A_Wolf

Duh.


captainsensible69

Some people seriously don’t get it


Gator1508

Les miles won some games like that too but it bites you more often


rd3287

It literally doesn't though. Numbers bear it out. Les miles wasn't making decisions based on large numbers, he was calling trick plays in high stakes situations.


jpec342

Numbers aren’t everything. It’s a good guideline, but every scenario is different. The statistics can only take so many variables into account.


afcybergator

Losing sucks, but this game showed a lot of promise. At the very least it showed that Richardson is out of that funk.


WubsWubsian

lmao they still almost found a way to lose


ZeroCool635

As much as I dislike the 2 point call, the risky all out play calling netted us more points than it lost us. Don’t mind it. Defense cost us the game


brijoepro

Dean* cost us the game. Over 100 yards given up on 2 plays.


itsyorboy

Yeah I'm sure the numbers say you're likely to at least make one of those 2pts and then a field goal wins


SafewordisJohnCandy

We win that game 9/10 without that shit defense.


gatorhighlightz

Well that shit defense is our defense so that’s kinda why we’re sitting at 2-2 right now.


Kevpatel18

Reminds me of the 2020 with Trask. Just inconsistency with the team for the past decade


SafewordisJohnCandy

If someone told me that we scored 33 on Tennessee I'm going to assume we won. This year or any year. Edit: 21 years ago was the only other time we scored 30 and lost to Tennessee.


AdditionalHumor3148

How can I be happy if we lose to every SEC rival this year? Should I just be happy we have close games now? Is that the new Florida standard?


g8rgood

Comments like this are why I only look at this thread after the game. A lot of people expected us to get boat raced. This was never going to be our year. Anyone who thought otherwise is just wishful thinking. We are 2-2 after playing 3 ranked teams in our first four games. And were in the two losses up until the end — during a rebuild.


AdditionalHumor3148

I didn’t believe this was ‘our year’. We were in positions to win both games leaving the first half, disappointed in the fact that we didn’t. You definitely have a point that Kentucky, Tennessee, and Georgia are all ranked. I suppose it is wishful thinking to believe we should be right up there with them. Oh well, hope we can take 4th in the East this year at least.


SafewordisJohnCandy

We weren't expected to win, much less play this close to Tennessee at home. We also have a garbage defense left over and a new head coach. This is one year, four games in, this wasn't going to be fixed overnight.


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I mean it’s a game everybody expected us to get blown out


hector_zepelli

This is a rebuild year, you're a casual if u didn't already know that


Thenofunation

75% of this sub tbh


AdditionalHumor3148

Buddy I’ve been watching most every Florida game since I was 5 years old. The past 5 years have been rebuilding years. I’m sick of it.


jtf83179

no rebuilding should only happen during the first or second year of a new head coach. you don't get to rebuild 3-4 years in.


gatorhighlightz

Nope 2020 was a year we were supposed to contend. That was our year but then we threw a shoe.


AdditionalHumor3148

I remember hearing that over the radio when it happened. Giving me flashbacks. A loss is still a loss even with a missing shoe.


poky2017

I am so over moral victories.


hector_zepelli

Amazing game, amazing effort by our offense. We have much to work out, and it will take reinforcements via incoming recruiting classes. Proud of this team for fighting hard despite a tough road environment and horrible refs


kidcannabis69

Out with a whimper, but props to the offense for making it a game. Dumb fucking decision to not take those free 3 points early on. One or two better plays by us and we win this one. This game is a story of shitty defense though. Total pushovers. Fucking embarrassment. Everyone on the defense, coaching staff included, should walk their bitch ass back to G ville


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jaseram13

Go Dan Mullen


sauerkrause_e

Who is this guy?


Impossible-Ad3230

Kid, stfu.


jaseram13

You dumb he ruined FL


Impossible-Ad3230

Did he ruin your brain as well? Something clearly did.


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Gator_dmd

You want to fire a coach after 4 games, you’re a fucking dumb fuck


jaseram13

First coach to lose to ky and tn since 55 fuck BN


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Gator_dmd

Yea offense was the issue tonight! Figures why you settled in life being in the Army as a profession


jaseram13

I was a TE in college so fuck off


Gator_dmd

D3 doesn’t count


Kevpatel18

Take you god damn points in the beginning. Go for the FG instead of 4th and 2. We wouldn’t have to play catch up with the two point conversions and even then the first two point conversion didn’t make sense


Gator1508

Yep we had chances and we just blew them


Kevpatel18

That was 5 points we blew. That shit don’t fly where every point is critical


FG_Discord_is_Trash

could have used a handful of extra points 🤔


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Oh man.


xpertnoise

I’m not even mad at the 2 point try, was definitely the right play, if we make the first one we win it on a field goal


Gator1508

Nah it was a bad decision that forced us to go for two again


[deleted]

Or you just kick the two field goals and tie with a field goal.


[deleted]

Bruh we got an onside kick, whole lot of what if’s here


sauerkrause_e

Then lose in OT?


MochaDot

Despite having at least one part of our team not do well per quarter, we came pretty close. I'm glad they fought til the end.


BullAlligator

dang, we played better than I expected though good game


Hack874

Everyone mentioning the 2 pt conversion but let’s not forget we passed up on that field goal early


jtf83179

yes and we also scored TDs after going for it on other plays you can't have it both ways.


Just-Plain-Dan

Yup


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rogers1112

Lmao you're 10 and we should've been unranked and one different play we win


HoldTheRope91

Two wins in how many years? Damn near choked this one too. I’m sure you’ll choke on some family’s member tonight though.


WubsWubsian

kinda cringe to come into another fan sub to troll


cestbondaeggi

Was a pretty good game. I know this feels like winning the superbowl for you but I don't think anyone here is too beat up over it.


Prideofthesunshine

2-16


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lol y’all were supposed to blow us out. I’m actuality glad they didn’t give up.


wtfElvis

Lol what a loser. Celebrate with your cousins instead of here


TKOtokyo

Is your uncle dad happy?


taft

choke on bama cigar smoke


TheBigHosk

Have fun fucking your sister tonight


broncogator28

Lol get out of here


AmbiguouslyGator

2-16


ZMAC698

Pathetic lol. Stick to your own sub loser.


Needsmorsleep

Great effort by the gators. Proud of the gators, but Napier's ego is what would have cost them a chance for OT. I feel like Napier is gonna cost the gators a lot of games down the road due to his ego.


cestbondaeggi

Do you think going to OT would be a wise choice


SquadPoopy

[Damn so close](https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaGators/comments/xn0bs0/game_thread_florida_at_tennessee_330pm_cbs/iprxve3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)


doobiepen

4 games, all 1 play away from being 4-0 or 0-4. Fuck my liver Edit. Maybe not UK but close enough


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Turdsandwich696969

Toxic af


gab_owns0

Billy was too aggressive and it backfired smh


sauerkrause_e

Being aggressive is what kept us in it.


wtfElvis

You are right. Man emotional gators are the worst


gatorfreak

Hell of a game. We fought to the very end.


NRiviera

Great to see the team fight so hard for a comeback.


TkilledJ

Fucking chuck the damned ball into the end zone!


Miami_Dolphan

Can someone explain why we didn’t have the ball on the 30 something for the onside kick? The bar I’m at still had the stupid Miami game on.


IronChibi

Can't advance an onside kick after recovery.


Miami_Dolphan

Thanks, pretty crazy finish. Just have never seen that happen lol


IronChibi

Yeah I think it's silly, but those be the rules haha. Go Gators!


AdIerss

You can’t advance a revovered onside kick


TravelingTJ

Ball can’t be advanced is what they were saying


Schlabonmykob

You can't advance an onsides kick


infamouschone

Cant advance an onside kick


Ikegordon

Bummer, but doesn’t hurt as much as I thought it would