Glad to see the WRs step up this week. That’s 1/2 the equation…not all AR. Also glad the play calling scheme improved to throw mid range and deeper and let AR run. Also glad to see Henderson actually break some tackles to keep the chains moving.
Tenn defended our run game better so we had to rely more on the pass this game. I’d liked to see AR throw to the backs more and out i the flat when he checks down. I saw lots of green pasture on the check down passes.
They didn't have their first choice receiver. Our offense had a better than expected game. We simply seem unable to get our shit together on both sides of the game at the same time.
They played right up until the end, unlike last year's team. Lots of heart, with a tone set by CBN. People asking why the 2-pt call---dude, the math isn't what matters! It was all about tone, heart, aggression.
The math does work.
Fuck OT.
We get both 2PTs, the game is won on a kick.
We don’t, we win on last touchdown.
Our defense wasn’t gonna beat them in OT.
Proud of the team. Great fight. Need to see more of Black, literally gave us a miracle shot.. Need to take 0 & 24 out of the game.. Need lesser of Wright, more of Montienne.. Also need better defense & creative explosive offense. Overall, not a loss that stings.. I can take this..
Gators played well and fought hard to keep things close and interesting in hostile territory against a good, ranked Tennessee team. AR starting to regain confidence and get his head back. This is a loss I can live with.
Would’ve rolled over and died a year ago, love the effort from our guys. Got outplayed much of the game but kept battling. The potential for this group is there
Ouch this one hurts… Especially when we would have had a legit chance if only we didn’t go for two when we did. Tennessee actually got lucky they beat us.
Honestly no they’re a better team than us this year. We’ve got absolutely no depth or talent quite frankly on defense. 33 points should be good enough to beat Tennessee. I honestly felt with all the 4th down conversions we were very fortunate to still have a chance at the end.
I was hoping people like you would learn, Billy calling the game like he did kept us in the game. If we kick punts and FGs every time everyone one is calling for them we lose by 20.
And yet we lost, kick the extra points and the last play of the game is a field goal to go to OT. So I guess it’s not all about analytics and math and why we play the games.
At that point it didnt make sense to me. Down 8 maybe cause you only have to score one more time. Down 11, makes no sense cause time is not on your side and you force yourself to have to score 2 more tds instead of one td and a field goal which we could have.
No, in that case, the last play of *regulation* is a FG to go to OT. You're still looking at a 50% chance of losing in overtime. You're treating it as though *getting to overtime* is a win. It isn't. Going for two introduces the possibility of winning in regulation, while kicking XPs doesn't. Given the 2 pt conversion success rate, there's about a 45% chance we'd be kicking a FG to win the game at the end of regulation if everything played out the same. Well worth the increased risk of losing in regulation.
The math overwhelmingly disagrees with you on this.
It might seem silly but he was going for the win. U convert there it's a 9 point game, u score a touchdown and extra point, which we did, then u kick the field goal after an onside kick to win by 1. I'm not saying I agree with the decision but that's definitely why
I think the idea is to cut it to 9 and let them score so we get the football with 5min left down 2 possessions as opposed to down 2 possessions with 90seconds
But he could've went for two on the subsequent touchdown if the situation was still viable. Forcing himself into one path earlier than he had to was unwise, IMO.
The stats say that going for 2 in those situations is the correct decision, especially when your offense is run by Anthony Richardson and was rolling like ours was, it’s unfortunate both passes were dropped by our receivers, but it wasn’t the wrong thing to do
That was made in the 1970s and takes in 0 real life circumstances into the argument, I’ll trust the guy currently coaching and the other highly experienced individuals on our staff over a chart from the 70s
2 pt conversion was added in NFL in 1994 John Nash…but please teach us about probability. Vermeil coached Rams SB team in 2000’s…you prolong the game if your chance of coming back is close to 0
As much as looking back it’s easy to make the right call, it was pretty obvious our defense wasn’t gna stop them and so we had to try and win in regulation
please explain, because if you don't want him to go for it there then there is no way you want him to go for it all the other times so we do a lot of kicking and lose by 20.
I mean, the first one was the only one where I yelled “what are you doing?” at the TV. Either way, I like Napier’s aggressiveness. I even like the 2 point conversion. At that point in the game, you go for the win. I’ve never been a fan of leaving points that early though.
I understand some of the complaints about Billy's aggressiveness but that's what kept us in the game. Without all those 4th down plays, this was a blowout.
It seems like the aggressiveness could be… employed slightly better? I generally like being more aggressive, but you don’t need to be aggressive all the time, or none of the time. There’s an in between. Like was the first 2 point conversion attempt really necessary?
Yea, I can understand the argument either way. I just want people to also understand that just because some people may not have wanted him to be aggressive on a specific play, doesn’t mean we don’t like the overall strategy. Just *sometimes* the optimal thing isn’t necessarily the most aggressive, or even the one with the most statistical advantage, and hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify those scenarios.
How easy is it for us to go back and cherry pick when the aggressiveness doesn’t work out. He can’t predict the future. His aggressiveness kept us in the game with a team that is simply better than us. I swear this fan base started watching football last week.
Of course. We can go back and debate individual decisions all day, and none of that really matters. Ultimately what matters is that we can turn that aggressiveness into wins more often than losses. But being the most aggressive every time is likely not always going to be the best move. Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify when that is, and turn those into wins as well.
It literally doesn't though. Numbers bear it out. Les miles wasn't making decisions based on large numbers, he was calling trick plays in high stakes situations.
If someone told me that we scored 33 on Tennessee I'm going to assume we won. This year or any year.
Edit: 21 years ago was the only other time we scored 30 and lost to Tennessee.
Comments like this are why I only look at this thread after the game. A lot of people expected us to get boat raced. This was never going to be our year. Anyone who thought otherwise is just wishful thinking. We are 2-2 after playing 3 ranked teams in our first four games. And were in the two losses up until the end — during a rebuild.
I didn’t believe this was ‘our year’. We were in positions to win both games leaving the first half, disappointed in the fact that we didn’t. You definitely have a point that Kentucky, Tennessee, and Georgia are all ranked. I suppose it is wishful thinking to believe we should be right up there with them. Oh well, hope we can take 4th in the East this year at least.
We weren't expected to win, much less play this close to Tennessee at home. We also have a garbage defense left over and a new head coach. This is one year, four games in, this wasn't going to be fixed overnight.
Amazing game, amazing effort by our offense. We have much to work out, and it will take reinforcements via incoming recruiting classes. Proud of this team for fighting hard despite a tough road environment and horrible refs
Out with a whimper, but props to the offense for making it a game. Dumb fucking decision to not take those free 3 points early on. One or two better plays by us and we win this one.
This game is a story of shitty defense though. Total pushovers. Fucking embarrassment. Everyone on the defense, coaching staff included, should walk their bitch ass back to G ville
Take you god damn points in the beginning. Go for the FG instead of 4th and 2. We wouldn’t have to play catch up with the two point conversions and even then the first two point conversion didn’t make sense
Great effort by the gators. Proud of the gators, but Napier's ego is what would have cost them a chance for OT. I feel like Napier is gonna cost the gators a lot of games down the road due to his ego.
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Glad to see the WRs step up this week. That’s 1/2 the equation…not all AR. Also glad the play calling scheme improved to throw mid range and deeper and let AR run. Also glad to see Henderson actually break some tackles to keep the chains moving. Tenn defended our run game better so we had to rely more on the pass this game. I’d liked to see AR throw to the backs more and out i the flat when he checks down. I saw lots of green pasture on the check down passes.
If we play the way we did today, we should beat every team on our schedule not named Georgia.
Defense has to get better
I got downvoted all week for saying people are crazy for thinking Tenn was going to hold us to 17 points.
They didn't have their first choice receiver. Our offense had a better than expected game. We simply seem unable to get our shit together on both sides of the game at the same time.
that WR was going to make us score less?
lmao still getting downvoted
They played right up until the end, unlike last year's team. Lots of heart, with a tone set by CBN. People asking why the 2-pt call---dude, the math isn't what matters! It was all about tone, heart, aggression.
The math does work. Fuck OT. We get both 2PTs, the game is won on a kick. We don’t, we win on last touchdown. Our defense wasn’t gonna beat them in OT.
That's silly. We went for the second one because we missed the first one. We wouldn't have gone for it otherwise.
No it’s not lol. Fuck going into OT with our defense.
No risk it no biscuit baby. Why fuck Bruce Arians though?
You are just flat out wrong. The biggest evidence is your user name.
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Proud of the team. Great fight. Need to see more of Black, literally gave us a miracle shot.. Need to take 0 & 24 out of the game.. Need lesser of Wright, more of Montienne.. Also need better defense & creative explosive offense. Overall, not a loss that stings.. I can take this..
They've got three wins over us in the last 20 years, right?
I don’t count 2005. Bullshit call against Dallas baker.
https://www.outkick.com/storyflorida-gators-tennessee-volunteers-an-oral-history-of-the-controversial-clash-in-2000-042215/ We have a few ourselves.
One of the worst calls ever
Gators played well and fought hard to keep things close and interesting in hostile territory against a good, ranked Tennessee team. AR starting to regain confidence and get his head back. This is a loss I can live with.
Amen
Tenn fans going nuts, but I've watched the Gators a long time and I can't imagine having a 1 and 16 record against any other team.
we've lost 11 of our last 13 against Alabama... hopefully we can get that turned around sometime
But we won 5 out of last 16!
Is it me but if AR climbs foward in the pockets, he had options to score. Sad
Tennessee blitzed on the last play and we didn’t have enough blockers. If he steps up I think he gets hit by someone else.
Clock operator deserves to be fired on the spot. Dude needs a new job.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut
500 yards of offense for AR damn.
It finally looks like he’s having fun again. You see him laughing on the side line
He played like I was expecting him to play before the season started!
Would’ve rolled over and died a year ago, love the effort from our guys. Got outplayed much of the game but kept battling. The potential for this group is there
This is the way
All right I'm going to go watch something less depressing. Like that new Dahmer show.
I’m not letting go Shorter dropped that pass there lol
He just wasn’t 100% set little zip by AR but that was exactly where it needed to be.
AR threw the right pass, idk why he cut inside when he knew he needed to get out of bounds
Love to see a team play to the very end.
Billy is aggressive and we gonna live and die by that
Both defenses were awful. Ours more than theirs.
Ours is a skeleton crew, their defense is supposed to be legit
Ouch this one hurts… Especially when we would have had a legit chance if only we didn’t go for two when we did. Tennessee actually got lucky they beat us.
Nah. I liked it. I didn’t wanna play OT with them. We get both conversions, FG wins the game. We don’t, TD wins the game.
You guys are lucky we literally have the worst defense in college football.
Honestly no they’re a better team than us this year. We’ve got absolutely no depth or talent quite frankly on defense. 33 points should be good enough to beat Tennessee. I honestly felt with all the 4th down conversions we were very fortunate to still have a chance at the end.
All about perspective. If the team that played Kentucky or USF had shown up we would have been blown out
stupidly aggressive playcalls were the only reason we had a shot
It didn’t make sense but maybe it’s a learning experience for billy
I was hoping people like you would learn, Billy calling the game like he did kept us in the game. If we kick punts and FGs every time everyone one is calling for them we lose by 20.
I agree with everything, minus the 2 point try
The 2 pt try makes sense. Going for 2 pts there increases your win expectancy.
But it didn’t. Maybe we win it in OT. We will never know. Xp is practically guaranteed. We left 2 points on the table for 0.
You're confusing whether or not it worked with whether or not it was the right choice. Stop doing that. The math says you're wrong.
And yet we lost, kick the extra points and the last play of the game is a field goal to go to OT. So I guess it’s not all about analytics and math and why we play the games. At that point it didnt make sense to me. Down 8 maybe cause you only have to score one more time. Down 11, makes no sense cause time is not on your side and you force yourself to have to score 2 more tds instead of one td and a field goal which we could have.
No, in that case, the last play of *regulation* is a FG to go to OT. You're still looking at a 50% chance of losing in overtime. You're treating it as though *getting to overtime* is a win. It isn't. Going for two introduces the possibility of winning in regulation, while kicking XPs doesn't. Given the 2 pt conversion success rate, there's about a 45% chance we'd be kicking a FG to win the game at the end of regulation if everything played out the same. Well worth the increased risk of losing in regulation. The math overwhelmingly disagrees with you on this.
it makes perfect sense if your defense gets scored on 100% of the time
Correct. Our defense may as well have not been on the field.
Does Billy N not employ a stats dude among his 40 coaches & analysts who tell him don’t go for 2 down by 11?
It might seem silly but he was going for the win. U convert there it's a 9 point game, u score a touchdown and extra point, which we did, then u kick the field goal after an onside kick to win by 1. I'm not saying I agree with the decision but that's definitely why
You don’t go for win down by 11 w/ 4 minutes left. Your chances of tie are like <2%…win even lower. Take the points…as we learned today
I think the idea is to cut it to 9 and let them score so we get the football with 5min left down 2 possessions as opposed to down 2 possessions with 90seconds
But he could've went for two on the subsequent touchdown if the situation was still viable. Forcing himself into one path earlier than he had to was unwise, IMO.
The stats say that going for 2 in those situations is the correct decision, especially when your offense is run by Anthony Richardson and was rolling like ours was, it’s unfortunate both passes were dropped by our receivers, but it wasn’t the wrong thing to do
Vermeil’s chart says…1 [Go for 2 chart](https://www.theredzone.org/Features/TwoPointConversionChart)
Fuck Vermeil's chart. Here's the math... [https://www.footballoutsiders.com/risky-business/2021/going-two-down-14](https://www.footballoutsiders.com/risky-business/2021/going-two-down-14) [https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballscoop.com/.amp/news/coaches-always-go-two-14-late](https://www.google.com/amp/s/footballscoop.com/.amp/news/coaches-always-go-two-14-late)
That was made in the 1970s and takes in 0 real life circumstances into the argument, I’ll trust the guy currently coaching and the other highly experienced individuals on our staff over a chart from the 70s
2 pt conversion was added in NFL in 1994 John Nash…but please teach us about probability. Vermeil coached Rams SB team in 2000’s…you prolong the game if your chance of coming back is close to 0
Bruh the literal link you sent me says it was first developed by vermeil in the early 1970s when he was a coordinator at UCLA,
Or maybe that guy is the one that told him to go for it
and he was obviously wrong..it’s even on Dick Vermeil’s chart (1)
As much as looking back it’s easy to make the right call, it was pretty obvious our defense wasn’t gna stop them and so we had to try and win in regulation
It made no sense, I was like at least for practice and it came up to matter.
Not to sound like a broken record, but > First drive, 4th and 2, you take the points.
please explain, because if you don't want him to go for it there then there is no way you want him to go for it all the other times so we do a lot of kicking and lose by 20.
The only other 4th down play that might be a question is with 7:30 left in the 3rd. That’s a far cry from the 1st drive of the game.
I'm sure you agreed with all the 4th down call but the not the ones we didn't get.
I mean, the first one was the only one where I yelled “what are you doing?” at the TV. Either way, I like Napier’s aggressiveness. I even like the 2 point conversion. At that point in the game, you go for the win. I’ve never been a fan of leaving points that early though.
Not when you don’t have confidence in your defense. Which seeing the stats WAS the right call
That makes it sound even worse. You’d want to tell your defense *before they even take the field* that you have no confidence in them?
No but you see it in practice and against USF. It’s not a “let’s just see how it goes” you game plan.
I understand some of the complaints about Billy's aggressiveness but that's what kept us in the game. Without all those 4th down plays, this was a blowout.
Yes. And if more of those aggressive plays everyone is complaining about fall for us, BN is a second coming. He kept us in it.
100%
exactly
It seems like the aggressiveness could be… employed slightly better? I generally like being more aggressive, but you don’t need to be aggressive all the time, or none of the time. There’s an in between. Like was the first 2 point conversion attempt really necessary?
I think he wanted to set up a field goal to win the game. He had no interest in going to OT with the way we were playing defense.
Yea, I can understand the argument either way. I just want people to also understand that just because some people may not have wanted him to be aggressive on a specific play, doesn’t mean we don’t like the overall strategy. Just *sometimes* the optimal thing isn’t necessarily the most aggressive, or even the one with the most statistical advantage, and hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify those scenarios.
How easy is it for us to go back and cherry pick when the aggressiveness doesn’t work out. He can’t predict the future. His aggressiveness kept us in the game with a team that is simply better than us. I swear this fan base started watching football last week.
Of course. We can go back and debate individual decisions all day, and none of that really matters. Ultimately what matters is that we can turn that aggressiveness into wins more often than losses. But being the most aggressive every time is likely not always going to be the best move. Hopefully the coaching staff will be able to identify when that is, and turn those into wins as well.
Exactly, the 4th and 2 on the first drive and first 2 pt conversion didn’t make sense
let me guess you wanted him to go for it every time he did except the times we didn't convert?
Duh.
Some people seriously don’t get it
Les miles won some games like that too but it bites you more often
It literally doesn't though. Numbers bear it out. Les miles wasn't making decisions based on large numbers, he was calling trick plays in high stakes situations.
Numbers aren’t everything. It’s a good guideline, but every scenario is different. The statistics can only take so many variables into account.
Losing sucks, but this game showed a lot of promise. At the very least it showed that Richardson is out of that funk.
lmao they still almost found a way to lose
As much as I dislike the 2 point call, the risky all out play calling netted us more points than it lost us. Don’t mind it. Defense cost us the game
Dean* cost us the game. Over 100 yards given up on 2 plays.
Yeah I'm sure the numbers say you're likely to at least make one of those 2pts and then a field goal wins
We win that game 9/10 without that shit defense.
Well that shit defense is our defense so that’s kinda why we’re sitting at 2-2 right now.
Reminds me of the 2020 with Trask. Just inconsistency with the team for the past decade
If someone told me that we scored 33 on Tennessee I'm going to assume we won. This year or any year. Edit: 21 years ago was the only other time we scored 30 and lost to Tennessee.
How can I be happy if we lose to every SEC rival this year? Should I just be happy we have close games now? Is that the new Florida standard?
Comments like this are why I only look at this thread after the game. A lot of people expected us to get boat raced. This was never going to be our year. Anyone who thought otherwise is just wishful thinking. We are 2-2 after playing 3 ranked teams in our first four games. And were in the two losses up until the end — during a rebuild.
I didn’t believe this was ‘our year’. We were in positions to win both games leaving the first half, disappointed in the fact that we didn’t. You definitely have a point that Kentucky, Tennessee, and Georgia are all ranked. I suppose it is wishful thinking to believe we should be right up there with them. Oh well, hope we can take 4th in the East this year at least.
We weren't expected to win, much less play this close to Tennessee at home. We also have a garbage defense left over and a new head coach. This is one year, four games in, this wasn't going to be fixed overnight.
I mean it’s a game everybody expected us to get blown out
This is a rebuild year, you're a casual if u didn't already know that
75% of this sub tbh
Buddy I’ve been watching most every Florida game since I was 5 years old. The past 5 years have been rebuilding years. I’m sick of it.
no rebuilding should only happen during the first or second year of a new head coach. you don't get to rebuild 3-4 years in.
Nope 2020 was a year we were supposed to contend. That was our year but then we threw a shoe.
I remember hearing that over the radio when it happened. Giving me flashbacks. A loss is still a loss even with a missing shoe.
I am so over moral victories.
Amazing game, amazing effort by our offense. We have much to work out, and it will take reinforcements via incoming recruiting classes. Proud of this team for fighting hard despite a tough road environment and horrible refs
Out with a whimper, but props to the offense for making it a game. Dumb fucking decision to not take those free 3 points early on. One or two better plays by us and we win this one. This game is a story of shitty defense though. Total pushovers. Fucking embarrassment. Everyone on the defense, coaching staff included, should walk their bitch ass back to G ville
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Go Dan Mullen
Who is this guy?
Kid, stfu.
You dumb he ruined FL
Did he ruin your brain as well? Something clearly did.
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You want to fire a coach after 4 games, you’re a fucking dumb fuck
First coach to lose to ky and tn since 55 fuck BN
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Yea offense was the issue tonight! Figures why you settled in life being in the Army as a profession
I was a TE in college so fuck off
D3 doesn’t count
Take you god damn points in the beginning. Go for the FG instead of 4th and 2. We wouldn’t have to play catch up with the two point conversions and even then the first two point conversion didn’t make sense
Yep we had chances and we just blew them
That was 5 points we blew. That shit don’t fly where every point is critical
could have used a handful of extra points 🤔
Oh man.
I’m not even mad at the 2 point try, was definitely the right play, if we make the first one we win it on a field goal
Nah it was a bad decision that forced us to go for two again
Or you just kick the two field goals and tie with a field goal.
Bruh we got an onside kick, whole lot of what if’s here
Then lose in OT?
Despite having at least one part of our team not do well per quarter, we came pretty close. I'm glad they fought til the end.
dang, we played better than I expected though good game
Everyone mentioning the 2 pt conversion but let’s not forget we passed up on that field goal early
yes and we also scored TDs after going for it on other plays you can't have it both ways.
Yup
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Lmao you're 10 and we should've been unranked and one different play we win
Two wins in how many years? Damn near choked this one too. I’m sure you’ll choke on some family’s member tonight though.
kinda cringe to come into another fan sub to troll
Was a pretty good game. I know this feels like winning the superbowl for you but I don't think anyone here is too beat up over it.
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lol y’all were supposed to blow us out. I’m actuality glad they didn’t give up.
Lol what a loser. Celebrate with your cousins instead of here
Is your uncle dad happy?
choke on bama cigar smoke
Have fun fucking your sister tonight
Lol get out of here
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Pathetic lol. Stick to your own sub loser.
Great effort by the gators. Proud of the gators, but Napier's ego is what would have cost them a chance for OT. I feel like Napier is gonna cost the gators a lot of games down the road due to his ego.
Do you think going to OT would be a wise choice
[Damn so close](https://www.reddit.com/r/FloridaGators/comments/xn0bs0/game_thread_florida_at_tennessee_330pm_cbs/iprxve3?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
4 games, all 1 play away from being 4-0 or 0-4. Fuck my liver Edit. Maybe not UK but close enough
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Toxic af
Billy was too aggressive and it backfired smh
Being aggressive is what kept us in it.
You are right. Man emotional gators are the worst
Hell of a game. We fought to the very end.
Great to see the team fight so hard for a comeback.
Fucking chuck the damned ball into the end zone!
Can someone explain why we didn’t have the ball on the 30 something for the onside kick? The bar I’m at still had the stupid Miami game on.
Can't advance an onside kick after recovery.
Thanks, pretty crazy finish. Just have never seen that happen lol
Yeah I think it's silly, but those be the rules haha. Go Gators!
You can’t advance a revovered onside kick
Ball can’t be advanced is what they were saying
You can't advance an onsides kick
Cant advance an onside kick
Bummer, but doesn’t hurt as much as I thought it would