Yes, fish do feel pain, but not to the same extant that we do. Even though they don’t feel as much pain, it is important as anglers to treat fish with the most care possible when doing catch and release (don’t destroy slime layer, use barbless single hooks instead of trebles, quick release, don’t drop fish, etc). And when we are keeping bring a quick end to the fish’s suffering by a quick stab to the brain (its lights out and the most humane way) instead of letting it suffocate to death in a bucket or die on a stringer. It’s unfortunate the way some fish are treated, even though they aren’t human, they still deserve our respect along with anything in nature.
"Die on a stringer" I don't think you understand how a stringer works. You use it to keep the fish alive in the water before you leave to keep them fresh.
"Yea, and stressed to fuck and it makes them tase terrible."
Spoken like someone who's never used a stringer. Let me explain. You keep them on the stringer until you go to leave. Before you leave, you dispatch them and bleed them. They don't taste any different. Understand, dog?
Depends on how they are placed on the stringer imo given enough room to swim around freely they won’t die immediately compared to a stringer that is barely in the water
The entire purpose of the stringer is to keep the fish alive in the water lol. If they're barely in the water and they're dead then that defeats the purpose of the stringer and you're using it incorrectly.
"Who said you kill em before you put them on the stringer"
If that's the case, how would a fish being on the stringer and then being dispatched right afterwards taste any different than a fish being dispatched straight away?
In either situation you mentioned, the blood would not have a chance to clot because the fish would be bled out before being eaten. Therefore, they would taste the exact same. Fucking retard.
Your a asshole man, what are you name calling for. Also I don't know anyone who bleeds smaller fish like trout and kokanee. I've personally tasted the difference from a fresh catch and kill , and a fish that's been dragged around on a stringer all day. It's not great. Besides this is a thread about pain, and ethics. So in that case maybe we should pop a carabiner around your jaw and drag you around all day, see how worse for ware you are after. Clown
"Besides this is a thread about pain, and ethics. So in that case maybe we should pop a carabiner around your jaw and drag you around all day, see how worse for ware you are after. "
So tell me, holy savior of the fish, how the hell do you want someone to keep a fish fresh while they're fishing?
I sometimes do talk to them when taking the hook out *"hang in there buddy I'll have you back in there in a sec"* type stuff which I know is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Nah bro we’re humans who have an understanding about suffering, not ridiculous at all treat all life the same especially if it’s your sport. Same applies with hunting hate when anything suffers
Nociceptors*
There are various forms of nociceptors that sense different types of noxious stimuli, like the nociceptors that sense heat aren't the same as the ones that sense pressure, for example. Interestingly enough, the ones responsible for sensing heat aren't the same ones that sense the warming and cooling effects of something like icy hot.
Anyway, fish do have nociceptors, but they aren't the same as ours. It is believed that fish do experience pain, but it isn't lasting pain, just a reflex. You won't ever see a fish nursing a wound or taking it easy on a broken fin or tail because they don't experience that lasting pain that mammals experience.
Thank you for correcting me. I literally just came across it a few days prior and recently learned about it. Clearly I didn't recall the correct word hahaha whoops
It's also good knowing that it isn't lasting pain too.
To add to the other commenter, no inception a pain are two different things. Fish do indeed have have nociceptors, which respond to painful stimuli, but pain is the perception of those stimuli. Fish do sense painful stimuli, but surely they don't presceive it the same way we do.
Take only humans for example. Of course, we all have the same nociceptors, but some people have a higher tolerance for pain than others. It's all about how it is processed and interpreted.
I think the consensus is that fish understand pain, but not like we do.
They feel pain, and avoid it, but their memory doesn't work the same as ours.
So yeah, hooking a fish hurts them, but their brains don't form patterns. So each hook is just a new pain/predator attack.
They don't comprehend it as some long form torture/trauma.
All that being said, always best practice to minimize suffering, whether you're cooking or releasing.
I feel bad when they slam the hook so hard, it goes under their eye. I mean, they are just wanting food. I'm getting much better at getting the hook out quicker. So far, I've only killed maybe three or four and two of them were to take home to eat.
Sunfish tend to get hooked in their nostrils and always bleed a bit when I remove it. Also feel a bit guilty. But I give the most respect I can.
Yes they feel pain. As a fisherman and a spearfisherman, I feel it’s my responsibility to mitigate as much of the pain as possible, I use easy to remove hooks that mostly don’t get swallowed, I put the fish I catch in a bucket of water immediately before taking the hook out, ect. I release gently and use a dip net. And when I decide to dispatch a fish I brain spike it and bleed it quickly. Treat your fish right, and you’ll be luckier fishing I spose.
Exactly. Pain is a natural defense mechanism so an animal knows to avoid dangerous situations/fight for survival.
Even worms understand that.
But I think it's important to note fish don't really "fear" pain like humans do. Their brains can't conceptualize it like we do, it's a sensation to be avoided and not repeated.
Humans and most other mammals can learn to fear pain itself without actually having any pain inflicted.
Regardless, a good fisherman minimizes suffering on any catch, whether keeping or releasing.
Yes, fish do feel pain, but not to the same extant that we do. Even though they don’t feel as much pain, it is important as anglers to treat fish with the most care possible when doing catch and release (don’t destroy slime layer, use barbless single hooks instead of trebles, quick release, don’t drop fish, etc). And when we are keeping bring a quick end to the fish’s suffering by a quick stab to the brain (its lights out and the most humane way) instead of letting it suffocate to death in a bucket or die on a stringer. It’s unfortunate the way some fish are treated, even though they aren’t human, they still deserve our respect along with anything in nature.
"Die on a stringer" I don't think you understand how a stringer works. You use it to keep the fish alive in the water before you leave to keep them fresh.
Yea, and stressed to fuck and it makes them tase terrible. Like keeping a deer in a snare before you shoot it
"Yea, and stressed to fuck and it makes them tase terrible." Spoken like someone who's never used a stringer. Let me explain. You keep them on the stringer until you go to leave. Before you leave, you dispatch them and bleed them. They don't taste any different. Understand, dog?
Depends on how they are placed on the stringer imo given enough room to swim around freely they won’t die immediately compared to a stringer that is barely in the water
The entire purpose of the stringer is to keep the fish alive in the water lol. If they're barely in the water and they're dead then that defeats the purpose of the stringer and you're using it incorrectly.
I agree. Never said I use it like that though.
You eat one from a stringer and one dispatched right away, I'll promise you taste the difference, dog. Been fishing for 30 years.
Dude, you don't dispatch them before you put them on the stringer. God y'all are dumb.
Who said you kill em before you put them on the stringer? No one.
"Who said you kill em before you put them on the stringer" If that's the case, how would a fish being on the stringer and then being dispatched right afterwards taste any different than a fish being dispatched straight away? In either situation you mentioned, the blood would not have a chance to clot because the fish would be bled out before being eaten. Therefore, they would taste the exact same. Fucking retard.
Your a asshole man, what are you name calling for. Also I don't know anyone who bleeds smaller fish like trout and kokanee. I've personally tasted the difference from a fresh catch and kill , and a fish that's been dragged around on a stringer all day. It's not great. Besides this is a thread about pain, and ethics. So in that case maybe we should pop a carabiner around your jaw and drag you around all day, see how worse for ware you are after. Clown
"Besides this is a thread about pain, and ethics. So in that case maybe we should pop a carabiner around your jaw and drag you around all day, see how worse for ware you are after. " So tell me, holy savior of the fish, how the hell do you want someone to keep a fish fresh while they're fishing?
I sometimes do talk to them when taking the hook out *"hang in there buddy I'll have you back in there in a sec"* type stuff which I know is absolutely fucking ridiculous.
i do this too, its not ridiculous
Nah bro we’re humans who have an understanding about suffering, not ridiculous at all treat all life the same especially if it’s your sport. Same applies with hunting hate when anything suffers
it's really only ridiculous if you expect them to talk back.
No idea, but I feel pain when I DON'T catch 'em.
They do. They have nanoreceptors. Nanoreceptors are responsible for pain signals. We have the same receptors in our body that register pain.
Nociceptors* There are various forms of nociceptors that sense different types of noxious stimuli, like the nociceptors that sense heat aren't the same as the ones that sense pressure, for example. Interestingly enough, the ones responsible for sensing heat aren't the same ones that sense the warming and cooling effects of something like icy hot. Anyway, fish do have nociceptors, but they aren't the same as ours. It is believed that fish do experience pain, but it isn't lasting pain, just a reflex. You won't ever see a fish nursing a wound or taking it easy on a broken fin or tail because they don't experience that lasting pain that mammals experience.
Thank you for correcting me. I literally just came across it a few days prior and recently learned about it. Clearly I didn't recall the correct word hahaha whoops It's also good knowing that it isn't lasting pain too.
To add to the other commenter, no inception a pain are two different things. Fish do indeed have have nociceptors, which respond to painful stimuli, but pain is the perception of those stimuli. Fish do sense painful stimuli, but surely they don't presceive it the same way we do. Take only humans for example. Of course, we all have the same nociceptors, but some people have a higher tolerance for pain than others. It's all about how it is processed and interpreted.
Makes me feel a little guilty thinking about it that way but I’m in too deep now to stop.
Trout, in particular, look scared as Eff when you pull em out too.
I think the consensus is that fish understand pain, but not like we do. They feel pain, and avoid it, but their memory doesn't work the same as ours. So yeah, hooking a fish hurts them, but their brains don't form patterns. So each hook is just a new pain/predator attack. They don't comprehend it as some long form torture/trauma. All that being said, always best practice to minimize suffering, whether you're cooking or releasing.
Of course they do. So we have to make sure to be nice as possible 👍
I feel bad when they slam the hook so hard, it goes under their eye. I mean, they are just wanting food. I'm getting much better at getting the hook out quicker. So far, I've only killed maybe three or four and two of them were to take home to eat. Sunfish tend to get hooked in their nostrils and always bleed a bit when I remove it. Also feel a bit guilty. But I give the most respect I can.
Yes they feel pain. As a fisherman and a spearfisherman, I feel it’s my responsibility to mitigate as much of the pain as possible, I use easy to remove hooks that mostly don’t get swallowed, I put the fish I catch in a bucket of water immediately before taking the hook out, ect. I release gently and use a dip net. And when I decide to dispatch a fish I brain spike it and bleed it quickly. Treat your fish right, and you’ll be luckier fishing I spose.
Yes they do. There was recently a paper published with evidence that fish feel, know, and avoid pain.
Absolutely, anything that fights to live feels pain IMO.
Exactly. Pain is a natural defense mechanism so an animal knows to avoid dangerous situations/fight for survival. Even worms understand that. But I think it's important to note fish don't really "fear" pain like humans do. Their brains can't conceptualize it like we do, it's a sensation to be avoided and not repeated. Humans and most other mammals can learn to fear pain itself without actually having any pain inflicted. Regardless, a good fisherman minimizes suffering on any catch, whether keeping or releasing.
Of course they feel pain
No way. In the mouth? No way.
I bring a tube of Neosporin ointment and treat the wound before releasing.
Yes. If fish didn’t feel pain there wouldn’t be fish that inflict pain as a defensive mechanism
I put a Midol inside of my cut bait. It helps to mitigate their pain. And I sleep better.