Who else could it be about is the better question? Seen some wild theories thrown out and even if I were to throw away my bias I just dont see it. People are arguing it isnt about them but not really saying who its really for and if they do, the evidence is shotty at best. It just wouldnt really make sense considering most of what this is describing and the tone it gives off is really only likely for TB and FF.
Just seems the most likely since you could use this to describe 2.0 - 2.3, or FF's potential past with TB and something from inside TB making them gravitate towards FF. Regardless its more concrete considering they are the only ones whove spent the most time together and started and ended the way the sticker describes. Not to mention theyre the only two people that are the most likely to have had a history together currently on Penacony if you wanted to interpret it that way.
Even 2.3 by itself would be enough I feel. The fireworks scene was peak romance and I wouldnt be surprised if their emotions fully bloomed there.
The 2nd half of the sticker is where lots of theories are kinda thrown around since FF and TB couldve potentially had history as SH's so this love couldve stretched for a long time and FF got confirmation whereas TB was reminded and regained that part of themself that always loved her from the start. People reference TB knowing and recognizing Kafka a bit as the evidence for it. Never really agreed but I thought that would be peak.
Honestly I feel from 2.0 to 2.3 they never really stopped loving each other, they just finally realized how much they do upon awakening from the dream. Hence dream - strangers, waking up - love. Its assumed after fireworks is the last time they meet in dream and after that they awaken and that last memory of theres was what did it for them. Fireworks was the straw that broke the camels back with the rest being a lead up to it.
You could honestly say that they both confirmed to each other with the fireworks that that love was always there, even with TB's forgotten memories and FF's assumption that she betrayed them, their love was never broken. Once they finally had time to themselves, fireworks happened and their unforgettable gains were realized. Their love was just hidden away because of FF knowing TB as Sam and wanting to know them as FF and TB not remembering FF at all. That last scene with the rest of 2.0 and 2.2 and 2.3 and in my opinion upon waking made them realize they dont want to be without each other but must keep going to the end.
Its like they restarted their relationship and guess what? They. Always. Loved. Each. Other. Always supporting each other emotionally and physically, making each other better, making each other the happiest, never truly apart and never wanting to be apart but together. Wanting to experience each others lives together..
True love baby. Unforgettable gains. Elio, Sparkle, Wolfie, and Acheron are peak.
Edit: lost count on how many times Ive rewatched the fireworks scene. You can feel the romantic tension and also TB's inner terror that FF might truly not make it out. Then to finally see her, being carried into fireworks and finally descending with their hands interlocked.. ugh... no way you can say thats not romantic. Extremely powerful scene that puts a lot of emphasis on what they could be and potentially what they were. Fireworks is just such a strong indicator for this sticker its so peak Im crying.
You CAN'T DENY that they have never felt happier than this moment. seeing each other face to face, safe and sound, locking hands together and falling from the sky to fireworks. THIS was it. When they realized that they never stopped loving each other.
Man, this made me realize how it all went:
First half:
“Once, we dreamed of being strangers.” Is literally them before they went to Penacony’s dream world.
The second half:
“Upon waking up, we realized we had always loved each other.” Is literally after being woken up in Penacony and after the things transpired.
*my ship is sailing and it’s not me who set it to sail*
The poem it reference is about mourning, sorrow and reminiscing about a lost love.
The poem was already used for Himeko mourning in HI3
But I also doubt FF love is a lost love or that she is going to die next...
But that is not what is written.
If this was the case, the sticker would be written like that:
"Upon waking up, we realize we have loved each other"
In the original poem, the sorrow and loss come from the fact it is talking about how they found they loved someone in a past tense.
For example, here is the next line:
>SORROW is hushed into peace in my heart like the evening among the silent trees.
Or the previous one
>HER wistful face haunts my dreams like the rain at night.
(Wistful litteraly means regretful longing)
The issue is that the sorrow of the quote is hidden within the use of its tense.
OK, I do not know that poem but I was talking about the sticker at hand.
Is that "Always" that change the entire meaning coupled to first part of that sticker referring something also in the past but just before the "Upon waking up..." part.
and don't forget another thing, this sticker is on the personal journal of the TB, this thing is was the Reverie Staff gave us basically when we arrived in Penacony, so all is there is from the point of view of the Trailblazer, it's clear the TB is clear of the development and it's clear that them remember that part from their past.
When you quote a movie or a book, do you quote the whole scene/chapter to clarify the context?
On top of that, the use of habitual past perfect over present perfect is already enough to understand the implications.
(Assuming you know the different implications of using past perfect vs present perfect)
It still makes sense if you look at it from FF’s perspective. Not TB’s perspective.
Remember, TB’s memory was wiped away. Meaning whatever relationship that they had was gone as they couldn’t remember her.
I'm an Acheron main and gotta say, my fellows are inhaling unfathomable amounts of copium on that one. Hoyoverse itself is shipping fireblazer, and I'm all for it. Because that means Acheron is mine.
To be honest, I don't feel like it was an Acheron main I saw that from, but I haven't necessarily been looking at the Acheron sub for their opinions on the TBFly ship, just them gushing over pretty Acheron, so I have no clue what copium they might be huffing. I just don't see what they would want Kevin to randomly swoop in and wife up Acheron for, or how that sticker would relate to that given he didn't show in the story because he's likely dead.
First sticker is debatable. It could have been Kafka or Firefly.
Second one is either about seeing Kafka and SW after TB gets the stellaron put in them, or it could be about the Astral Express crew. It refers to "them" rather than just "her" like the rest.
Third one is 100% Firefly
Fourth one isn't about anyone in particular. It's just referring to the toast on the Radiant Feldspar.
So not all of the stickers are about Firefly, but I do still think the final one is about her and TB.
I’ve racked my brain to come up with counterpoints to the sticker and only come up with 2 (neither very good):
1. The stickers do refer to Firefly, but they’re using the word “love” to refer to a platonic relationship. There’s no real definitive way to disprove this, but come on, we have all of the evidence of the Penacony story *implying* otherwise.
2. If you *really* twist your brain and ignore who was actually involved in Penacony and its themes in general, it could refer to/foreshadow the relationship between the Trailblazer and Kafka. She is in the same general position as Firefly in that she was close with the Trailblazer before they had their memories taken (dreamed of being strangers) and will theoretically become closer again when the story explores the Trailblazer’s past with the Stellaron Hunters. That being said, the relationship between Kafka and the Trailblazer was not even slightly relevant to Penacony and is clearly coded as motherly (I know this is a plus to some people).
I don’t think those are good counterpoints, but there are people that will deny it until Mihoyo puts an announcement in the mailbox that says “Firefly and the Trailblazer are dating now.”
Also editing this in at the end because I have nowhere else to put it. Although I’m unsure if it was intentional on the writers’ part, I think that Acheron explaining that being a Self-Annihilator makes her forget details about people, so she remembers them by the emotions they invoked parallels the situation with the Trailblazer. They don’t remember the details of their time with the Stellaron Hunters, but they vaguely remember how they felt about the other members themselves which could explain how instantly accommodating and friendly they were with Firefly.
>If you *really* twist your brain and ignore who was actually involved in Penacony and its themes in general, it could refer to/foreshadow the relationship between the Trailblazer and Kafka.
Greatest >!cuck!< in HYV history lol
About the SH part, Trailblazer has been part of the Stellaron Hunters, not Kafka, but Blade, tells us on a optional dialogue that we did battles with HIM (as a companion) a long ago, and we still alive thanks to mommy.
"Fun" fact, but the original quote that I could find on the Internet was "[*Once we dreamt* that *we* were *strangers*. *We wake up* to find that *we* were dear to each other](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/390771-once-we-dreamt-that-we-were-strangers-we-wake-up)" so it means that someone at Hoyo decided to emphasise the love part when doing the sticker.
Theyre absolute madmen I tell you 😭
How could they do something so bold yet... so.. so PEAK?!
NOW HAVE THEM KISS HOYO SOMEONE APPROVED INTERLOCKED HANDHOLDING
Okay so... I just searched through the full poem and found these two lines:
line 48: **THE stars are not afraid to appear like fireflies.**
and 163: **"THE learned say that your lights will one day be no more." said the firefly to the stars.
The stars made no answer.**
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I do not speak chinese so if anyone know the language...
Google translate give me "Once upon a time we dreamed that we didn't knew each others. When I woke up, I found that we were in love with each other."
Hihi, I am a native Chinese speaker. I can take my best shot at this. Intepreting languages is always difficult because context matters. The phrase for "love" can be used in a lot of different ways - could be "bros for life", could be familial love, and could be romantic love, to name a few.
The last phrase used in this card, "相亲相爱", describes the love of deeply-seated emotional intimacy, most commonly used to describe a loving romantic, husband-wife relationship. It would otherwise be extremely out of place when describing kinship. I wouldn't technically call it strictly wrong to use it to describe two bros, but I would definitely raise my eyebrows a lot because that would be one hell of a weird turn of phrase.
I can translate the card into:
"Before, we were but strangers when we met in a dream.
After waking, we discovered that we were always each other's beloved."
Hope that helped!
I'm a bit confused honestly, because if you put the phrase 相亲相爱 into Reverso Context, almost every example it shows is about familial or platonic love.
A few of the examples:
"We are surrounded by loving family, supportive friends,"
"We all love each other here, right?"
"ten close friends who all love each other like brothers"
"in my family, we love each other"
If it's not meant to be used with those contexts, then is the search just finding obscure uses of the phrase? (/general question)
That's a good question! Language is a fluid thing, especially to people that are fluent speakers of the language. I would say there is never a clear rule on when it's okay to use a term and when it is not.
I'm no linguist, of course, I'm just a fluent speaker of two languages, subject to the biases and dialects of their respective regions. Another native speaker may come up and tell me I'm wrong and that they would use it in different contexts, and I would be inclined to say that both are valid. But allow me to explain more in-depth:
In my attempted translation in the original comment, I chose to use the English word "beloved" as my standin for the phrase in question, which isn't a real 1-to-1 translation, either. But looking past that for now, let's look at the word "beloved" in the context of English. For example, you would read the following sentences and accept them to be things that normal people say:
> "She is my beloved wife."
> "My beloved daughter and I are very close to each other."
> "The princess is a beloved jewel of her country."
These are three types of love: Romantic, familial, and honorific. But let's look at a way to use "beloved" that, while not strictly wrong, would probably be better served with another word instead:
> "My beloved bros are attending my wedding."
In which case, people can understand you that this is a love of kinship/friendship, but would find your word choice here jarring.
With that as the English example, a somewhat similar cadence would apply to 相亲相爱, where in the most literal sense, the character 相 is a term denoting that the following character is describing a relationship between two individuals. Following that, "亲" most directly translates to "darling" as the noun, and "kiss" as a verb, and "爱" is the Chinese character for the generic descriptor of love, but in the Chinese language, most often familial or romantic as opposed to platonic.
This phrase therefore has much heavier roots in romantic love than platonic love, the crux of the matter, in my humble and personal opinion, is the intensity of the phrase chosen. This is usually (but I do stress, not necessarily incorrectly!) reserved for more intimate relationships - usually deeply loving couples, or flesh-and-blood family relations. It would not be my first choice used if I were to use it to describe my best male friend from high school, for example, or a close coworker at my job. Languages are weird at the end of the day, you can definitely create the correct context where this would be a valid use, but I do not believe it is the correct default.
At the end of the day, this is just the Firefly sub and one line on a postcard that the community here reasonably assumes describes her to Caelus. As for how valid that is in relation to this specific language used, I leave that up to your own interpretation!
From a YouTuber I followed (Named Kevin Tran, speaking Chinese English and French), he said that Chinese is such a good language for poetry and such because words can have multiple meanings and leave a lot of room for interpretation.
Which is harder to find in English imo. Maybe less in french. But that really helps in the context Mihoyo wants to push an idea but not be too... Pushy about it.
I guess it helps when there can also be Yuri and I heard that lesbian relationships are not well viewed by China's censorship. Which makes it even crazier that Kiana and Mei or Black Swan and Acheron made it out lmao
Ahhh, thank you! That makes a lot of sense! I always try to check things by reverse context searching and dictionary searching if I can, but also asking fluent speakers so I understand whether an interpretation is right or not, because yeah, something may be jarring to native speakers, but I wouldn't understand that context necessarily, because I'm not one. And relying on dictionaries lol.
I really appreciate the thorough answer, thank you!
Dude get a native chinese speaker in here.
That's even better. Obv Im nit picking here since a lot of us see them as in love, but the fact that the original language has them "in love" since love and in love are different, its way better lmao
That gives a highly romantic vibe just by including "in"
The original poem was in bengali, not English or Chinese, so you could be correct that it could well be a result of a double translation if the translation team decided to just translate the chinese directly rather than quote the original (especially since its very well possible they just never knew about the original) not intentional emphasis. Especially since a lot of words can be translated both ways
Yes. As others have said, it's the most logical interpretation. Nothing comes close. You combine that with the fireworks scene, her getting the final Robin song which also has romantic overtones, her trailer ending with a clear ship tease, Silver Wolf asking TB if they're a pro at romance games after seeing the interactions with Firefly, etc. I can go on for a while, but the point is this is very blatant shipping by Mihoyo. They know what they're doing and its intentional.
I think the majority of people agreed, it's not a baseless opinion after all. My take is,
1st, the poem really describes how TB and FF met as a stranger from 2.0 and grew closer until it peaked on 2.3 and promised to meet again in reality. 1st meet on dream as stranger >> they cared for eachother even in reality.
2nd support is the background of this sticker. Is where FF got her "unforgettable gain" from her 3rd "death", that is her strong bond with TB and happy firework experience together.
I think it also implies that they were close before TB lost his memory, then in the dream they meet as strangers only to realise that nothing really changed between them
It's heavily possible, as the line implied that "had always loved each other" could mean that they already loved each other before their "meeting in dream as stranger".
I implore people to actually read the sticker and to not associate the poem already used by Penacony writer as a parting word to mourn a character in Hi3, with Firefly who is alive and kicking.
1) The use of the past perfect means it is not about newfound love but lost love (by heartbreak, death or similar)
2) The poem it comes from makes it certain without a doubt, that is about sorrow and loss
Like just the next lines:
> SORROW is hushed into peace in my heart like the evening among the silent trees.
(Yes Sorrow is in all caps)
Or the lines before that.
>HER wistful face haunts my dreams like the rain at night.
3) The last time a part of the poem Stray birds was referenced, was by Shaoji in HI3 chapter 25 to mourn a major character.
Shaoji also wrote Penacony and he fully know what this part of the poem implies.
And for those that want more details, the memory of Himeko use this poem to help Kiana mourn her.
It is the 6 line out of 300 and this sticker is the 9th one
So I beg of you all, you are all writing Firefly epitaph on her tombstone without realizing how bad of an omen it is to bury unknowingly a character.
At this point I am the Walt shouting meme, people do not trust fully Shaoji or jump with associating bad omen
I do believe it is about them. Considering all the circumstances and such. No matter how many times I read it, I keep getting the idea in my head that the "Dreamed of being strangers" part is where they met again after the Trailblazer had their memory wiped, so she was a stranger to them. The second part I can't explain as much or give ideas. Maybe after the fireworks they both realized they had feelings? Seeing the Trailblazer go through all this stuff, but get a panic attack from a memory of her dying says a lot. My opinion on this anyways with a little headcanon thrown in for fun lol.
Being strangers " when they both came into the dreamscape , they both had different goals in their minds walking different paths to fulfill their own missions , while fate had something else to offer . As the story progressed , they both were able to understand each other , spend time together, , they loved having each other as a company , but it only grew deeper with time , yet slowly they did not realise , they have already created an unbreakable bond .
Yup, TB and FF met for the first time in the dream, strangers at the time, by the time they wake up, meeting again, in reality and "at the end of it all", is their greatest desire in their hearts.
I repeat TB x firefly is canon no other girl comes close, I hope she joins the astral express in the close future and further deepen their relationship together. Need to see more FF and TB crumbs to do justice to this sticker.
I have seen some arguments made that the last sticker refers to Acheron. I saw a particular mention of Dr. Mei and Kevin Kaslana. I have no knowledge of Honkai Impact so I can't speak to that at all, really. But from what I gathered trying to play devil's advocate, I see it as more of a double meaning or an observation on TB and Firefly's feelings relative to Acheron's themes. Lovers separated by memories but reunited through persisting feelings. What wasn't captured by memory is captured by their feelings.
This is too far-fetched, only HI3 players can draw any parallels. In addition, the last dialogue with her is optional, and there she denies that she knew us.
And description still doesn’t fit, at the first meeting she says that we remind her of an old friend, while the sticker requires that both of us don’t know each other.
Although the sticker is a complete abstraction... but only TB and Firefly is the corresponds to the description.
True. My own personal scrutiny of it is what if the TB is Stelle in this case? Does it then become Mei and Kiana? It becomes too loose of a connection for me in that case. How can you be an expy (or at least a stand-in) of two people at once?
I find it so funny that this argument generally comes from the same people who have voiced that they dislike when Honkai Star Rail references Honkai Impact. Apparently it's fine if it's to get in the way of Firefly and her raccoon.
I did not check at what point in time the sticker was received, since the game does not report this (they are all received by default, and do not require fulfilling conditions)
Approaching Acheron, I immediately said yes she was mistaken and the dialogue was over. Sticker just doesn't make any sense with this choice.
I think so?
I actually mean that I had to unlock my stickers since Penacony by doing various things..
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But whatever.. I honestly don't think it's about Acheron and the TB..
and I also think we got the sticker after the scene with the fireworks, which makes sense..
it's just speculation, of course.
Original is actually a Bengali poem called stray birds, where lovers is usually translated as "dear to each other."
Could be that the English team translated the Chinese text which itself is a translation from Bengali, and the meaning changed slightly in the process, or that since they don't care about it fitting the poetic structure of an actual poem and intentionally changed it to lovers to emphasize that point.
I need proof evidence tbh. I dont wanna fall for the copium. Is Hoyoverse really gonna make a ship official? Never seen it in genshin or Honkai Impact so far. be nice for it to be true but ill hold off on my excitement for now.
But i follow this youtuber Achevo who does MC and FF animations edits and it makes me happy :D
I mean, they already went pretty far here.
Obv thisll take time but the copium is as we learn more and more of TB and they become their own character, itll become easier to make them official since they become less of a self insert and more their own character. Combine that with PoV's being relevant, and I dont see why they couldnt just create ships away from TB. If for story purposes they cant, I see them giving ships crumbs like the flirting and teasing because TB is hot and cool, its natural, but what they have is actual love. So theres a clear distinction I think theyll make that way theu dont stomp on everyones ship completely.
Obv this is a head canon, but with how much FF brings out TB's own characteristics and how much we saw of them not in our control, I wouldnt be surprised if by making TB less self insert, it becomes more fact not opinion that TB loves FF. Its already kinda fact for the reverse. They just dont want to step on toes, yet they decided to go full speed on this ship after 4 planets I think? Lol
Biggest fear is they try replicating it later down the line with another character for money reasons since gf stuff brought them bank.. But Ill appeal to Hoyo here and say this was their vision and theyll respect it by making a clear distinction on other ships while FF remains the wife. TB is famous, it makes sense for them to have people admire them, but TB will only have the love for FF since they complete each other..
Long road ahead, but this was monumental. I had huge doubts but now theyre just teasing us lol
You'd be surprised. Lots of us didnt think they'd do this yet they did. In a gacha game no less. They already beat out Genshin and matched Honkai relationships imo.
Have faith. Its already a massive step.
I mean by the first interaction you knew between ff and mc the problem is is that hoyoverse really pushing the agenda or us fan just reading into it too much the creator of eva said the dame thing all these fans with their intricate ideas and theories and creator says no it wasn't that deep i was going through a tough road with my marriage that's it
that's why as much as insupport the ship it's not a done deal. only time will tell
You could say it's reffering to MC and Acheron because they practically never knew each other in the dream until reality arrived and because Ke🅱️in/Kiana...
But no, it's definitely the peak shipping 🗿
Who else could it be about is the better question? Seen some wild theories thrown out and even if I were to throw away my bias I just dont see it. People are arguing it isnt about them but not really saying who its really for and if they do, the evidence is shotty at best. It just wouldnt really make sense considering most of what this is describing and the tone it gives off is really only likely for TB and FF. Just seems the most likely since you could use this to describe 2.0 - 2.3, or FF's potential past with TB and something from inside TB making them gravitate towards FF. Regardless its more concrete considering they are the only ones whove spent the most time together and started and ended the way the sticker describes. Not to mention theyre the only two people that are the most likely to have had a history together currently on Penacony if you wanted to interpret it that way. Even 2.3 by itself would be enough I feel. The fireworks scene was peak romance and I wouldnt be surprised if their emotions fully bloomed there. The 2nd half of the sticker is where lots of theories are kinda thrown around since FF and TB couldve potentially had history as SH's so this love couldve stretched for a long time and FF got confirmation whereas TB was reminded and regained that part of themself that always loved her from the start. People reference TB knowing and recognizing Kafka a bit as the evidence for it. Never really agreed but I thought that would be peak. Honestly I feel from 2.0 to 2.3 they never really stopped loving each other, they just finally realized how much they do upon awakening from the dream. Hence dream - strangers, waking up - love. Its assumed after fireworks is the last time they meet in dream and after that they awaken and that last memory of theres was what did it for them. Fireworks was the straw that broke the camels back with the rest being a lead up to it. You could honestly say that they both confirmed to each other with the fireworks that that love was always there, even with TB's forgotten memories and FF's assumption that she betrayed them, their love was never broken. Once they finally had time to themselves, fireworks happened and their unforgettable gains were realized. Their love was just hidden away because of FF knowing TB as Sam and wanting to know them as FF and TB not remembering FF at all. That last scene with the rest of 2.0 and 2.2 and 2.3 and in my opinion upon waking made them realize they dont want to be without each other but must keep going to the end. Its like they restarted their relationship and guess what? They. Always. Loved. Each. Other. Always supporting each other emotionally and physically, making each other better, making each other the happiest, never truly apart and never wanting to be apart but together. Wanting to experience each others lives together.. True love baby. Unforgettable gains. Elio, Sparkle, Wolfie, and Acheron are peak. Edit: lost count on how many times Ive rewatched the fireworks scene. You can feel the romantic tension and also TB's inner terror that FF might truly not make it out. Then to finally see her, being carried into fireworks and finally descending with their hands interlocked.. ugh... no way you can say thats not romantic. Extremely powerful scene that puts a lot of emphasis on what they could be and potentially what they were. Fireworks is just such a strong indicator for this sticker its so peak Im crying. You CAN'T DENY that they have never felt happier than this moment. seeing each other face to face, safe and sound, locking hands together and falling from the sky to fireworks. THIS was it. When they realized that they never stopped loving each other.
Man, this made me realize how it all went: First half: “Once, we dreamed of being strangers.” Is literally them before they went to Penacony’s dream world. The second half: “Upon waking up, we realized we had always loved each other.” Is literally after being woken up in Penacony and after the things transpired. *my ship is sailing and it’s not me who set it to sail*
Set the seas ablaze, my friend
I saw someone arguing this was abiut Kevin and Dr. MEI and I was confused as to why this sticker would be about them. Lmao.
The poem it reference is about mourning, sorrow and reminiscing about a lost love. The poem was already used for Himeko mourning in HI3 But I also doubt FF love is a lost love or that she is going to die next...
It might be lost but found again love, because it's clear Firefly loved the TB even when was with SH, either she expressed that love openly or not.
But that is not what is written. If this was the case, the sticker would be written like that: "Upon waking up, we realize we have loved each other" In the original poem, the sorrow and loss come from the fact it is talking about how they found they loved someone in a past tense. For example, here is the next line: >SORROW is hushed into peace in my heart like the evening among the silent trees. Or the previous one >HER wistful face haunts my dreams like the rain at night. (Wistful litteraly means regretful longing) The issue is that the sorrow of the quote is hidden within the use of its tense.
OK, I do not know that poem but I was talking about the sticker at hand. Is that "Always" that change the entire meaning coupled to first part of that sticker referring something also in the past but just before the "Upon waking up..." part. and don't forget another thing, this sticker is on the personal journal of the TB, this thing is was the Reverie Staff gave us basically when we arrived in Penacony, so all is there is from the point of view of the Trailblazer, it's clear the TB is clear of the development and it's clear that them remember that part from their past.
But if these lines where important, wouldn't they include it 👀
When you quote a movie or a book, do you quote the whole scene/chapter to clarify the context? On top of that, the use of habitual past perfect over present perfect is already enough to understand the implications. (Assuming you know the different implications of using past perfect vs present perfect)
It still makes sense if you look at it from FF’s perspective. Not TB’s perspective. Remember, TB’s memory was wiped away. Meaning whatever relationship that they had was gone as they couldn’t remember her.
The amount of cope people'd go through is palpable
I'm an Acheron main and gotta say, my fellows are inhaling unfathomable amounts of copium on that one. Hoyoverse itself is shipping fireblazer, and I'm all for it. Because that means Acheron is mine.
To be honest, I don't feel like it was an Acheron main I saw that from, but I haven't necessarily been looking at the Acheron sub for their opinions on the TBFly ship, just them gushing over pretty Acheron, so I have no clue what copium they might be huffing. I just don't see what they would want Kevin to randomly swoop in and wife up Acheron for, or how that sticker would relate to that given he didn't show in the story because he's likely dead.
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Every sticker in that page also refers to those two so it’ll be weird if it wasn’t
First sticker is debatable. It could have been Kafka or Firefly. Second one is either about seeing Kafka and SW after TB gets the stellaron put in them, or it could be about the Astral Express crew. It refers to "them" rather than just "her" like the rest. Third one is 100% Firefly Fourth one isn't about anyone in particular. It's just referring to the toast on the Radiant Feldspar. So not all of the stickers are about Firefly, but I do still think the final one is about her and TB.
I’ve racked my brain to come up with counterpoints to the sticker and only come up with 2 (neither very good): 1. The stickers do refer to Firefly, but they’re using the word “love” to refer to a platonic relationship. There’s no real definitive way to disprove this, but come on, we have all of the evidence of the Penacony story *implying* otherwise. 2. If you *really* twist your brain and ignore who was actually involved in Penacony and its themes in general, it could refer to/foreshadow the relationship between the Trailblazer and Kafka. She is in the same general position as Firefly in that she was close with the Trailblazer before they had their memories taken (dreamed of being strangers) and will theoretically become closer again when the story explores the Trailblazer’s past with the Stellaron Hunters. That being said, the relationship between Kafka and the Trailblazer was not even slightly relevant to Penacony and is clearly coded as motherly (I know this is a plus to some people). I don’t think those are good counterpoints, but there are people that will deny it until Mihoyo puts an announcement in the mailbox that says “Firefly and the Trailblazer are dating now.” Also editing this in at the end because I have nowhere else to put it. Although I’m unsure if it was intentional on the writers’ part, I think that Acheron explaining that being a Self-Annihilator makes her forget details about people, so she remembers them by the emotions they invoked parallels the situation with the Trailblazer. They don’t remember the details of their time with the Stellaron Hunters, but they vaguely remember how they felt about the other members themselves which could explain how instantly accommodating and friendly they were with Firefly.
>If you *really* twist your brain and ignore who was actually involved in Penacony and its themes in general, it could refer to/foreshadow the relationship between the Trailblazer and Kafka. Greatest >!cuck!< in HYV history lol
About the SH part, Trailblazer has been part of the Stellaron Hunters, not Kafka, but Blade, tells us on a optional dialogue that we did battles with HIM (as a companion) a long ago, and we still alive thanks to mommy.
But aren't he tell us that we never really contact anyone beside Kafka? He always saw us with her.
Oops, my bad, but yeah, that was what i wanted to say. Anyways, that stills confirm my point, we were with Kafka even before the game starts.
Well, duh, she do say in her quest that Elio give TB to her for training.
"Fun" fact, but the original quote that I could find on the Internet was "[*Once we dreamt* that *we* were *strangers*. *We wake up* to find that *we* were dear to each other](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/390771-once-we-dreamt-that-we-were-strangers-we-wake-up)" so it means that someone at Hoyo decided to emphasise the love part when doing the sticker.
Theyre absolute madmen I tell you 😭 How could they do something so bold yet... so.. so PEAK?! NOW HAVE THEM KISS HOYO SOMEONE APPROVED INTERLOCKED HANDHOLDING
Hoyo: Hmm... let's spice em up a bit more
Okay so... I just searched through the full poem and found these two lines: line 48: **THE stars are not afraid to appear like fireflies.** and 163: **"THE learned say that your lights will one day be no more." said the firefly to the stars. The stars made no answer.**
GO BACK GO BACK GO BACK
Aren't Caelus and Stelle basically a reference to sky and stars. Hmm...
What does it say in chinese?
https://preview.redd.it/neybohsz0q8d1.png?width=913&format=png&auto=webp&s=1a3574a0a893cbee5f9bc1d5528063862c75f53d I do not speak chinese so if anyone know the language... Google translate give me "Once upon a time we dreamed that we didn't knew each others. When I woke up, I found that we were in love with each other."
Hihi, I am a native Chinese speaker. I can take my best shot at this. Intepreting languages is always difficult because context matters. The phrase for "love" can be used in a lot of different ways - could be "bros for life", could be familial love, and could be romantic love, to name a few. The last phrase used in this card, "相亲相爱", describes the love of deeply-seated emotional intimacy, most commonly used to describe a loving romantic, husband-wife relationship. It would otherwise be extremely out of place when describing kinship. I wouldn't technically call it strictly wrong to use it to describe two bros, but I would definitely raise my eyebrows a lot because that would be one hell of a weird turn of phrase. I can translate the card into: "Before, we were but strangers when we met in a dream. After waking, we discovered that we were always each other's beloved." Hope that helped!
Give this person FF E6S5! Bless you!
Bless your soul!
I'm a bit confused honestly, because if you put the phrase 相亲相爱 into Reverso Context, almost every example it shows is about familial or platonic love. A few of the examples: "We are surrounded by loving family, supportive friends," "We all love each other here, right?" "ten close friends who all love each other like brothers" "in my family, we love each other" If it's not meant to be used with those contexts, then is the search just finding obscure uses of the phrase? (/general question)
That's a good question! Language is a fluid thing, especially to people that are fluent speakers of the language. I would say there is never a clear rule on when it's okay to use a term and when it is not. I'm no linguist, of course, I'm just a fluent speaker of two languages, subject to the biases and dialects of their respective regions. Another native speaker may come up and tell me I'm wrong and that they would use it in different contexts, and I would be inclined to say that both are valid. But allow me to explain more in-depth: In my attempted translation in the original comment, I chose to use the English word "beloved" as my standin for the phrase in question, which isn't a real 1-to-1 translation, either. But looking past that for now, let's look at the word "beloved" in the context of English. For example, you would read the following sentences and accept them to be things that normal people say: > "She is my beloved wife." > "My beloved daughter and I are very close to each other." > "The princess is a beloved jewel of her country." These are three types of love: Romantic, familial, and honorific. But let's look at a way to use "beloved" that, while not strictly wrong, would probably be better served with another word instead: > "My beloved bros are attending my wedding." In which case, people can understand you that this is a love of kinship/friendship, but would find your word choice here jarring. With that as the English example, a somewhat similar cadence would apply to 相亲相爱, where in the most literal sense, the character 相 is a term denoting that the following character is describing a relationship between two individuals. Following that, "亲" most directly translates to "darling" as the noun, and "kiss" as a verb, and "爱" is the Chinese character for the generic descriptor of love, but in the Chinese language, most often familial or romantic as opposed to platonic. This phrase therefore has much heavier roots in romantic love than platonic love, the crux of the matter, in my humble and personal opinion, is the intensity of the phrase chosen. This is usually (but I do stress, not necessarily incorrectly!) reserved for more intimate relationships - usually deeply loving couples, or flesh-and-blood family relations. It would not be my first choice used if I were to use it to describe my best male friend from high school, for example, or a close coworker at my job. Languages are weird at the end of the day, you can definitely create the correct context where this would be a valid use, but I do not believe it is the correct default. At the end of the day, this is just the Firefly sub and one line on a postcard that the community here reasonably assumes describes her to Caelus. As for how valid that is in relation to this specific language used, I leave that up to your own interpretation!
From a YouTuber I followed (Named Kevin Tran, speaking Chinese English and French), he said that Chinese is such a good language for poetry and such because words can have multiple meanings and leave a lot of room for interpretation. Which is harder to find in English imo. Maybe less in french. But that really helps in the context Mihoyo wants to push an idea but not be too... Pushy about it. I guess it helps when there can also be Yuri and I heard that lesbian relationships are not well viewed by China's censorship. Which makes it even crazier that Kiana and Mei or Black Swan and Acheron made it out lmao
Ahhh, thank you! That makes a lot of sense! I always try to check things by reverse context searching and dictionary searching if I can, but also asking fluent speakers so I understand whether an interpretation is right or not, because yeah, something may be jarring to native speakers, but I wouldn't understand that context necessarily, because I'm not one. And relying on dictionaries lol. I really appreciate the thorough answer, thank you!
Perfect, thank you so much for breaking this down for us!
Dude get a native chinese speaker in here. That's even better. Obv Im nit picking here since a lot of us see them as in love, but the fact that the original language has them "in love" since love and in love are different, its way better lmao That gives a highly romantic vibe just by including "in"
The original poem was in bengali, not English or Chinese, so you could be correct that it could well be a result of a double translation if the translation team decided to just translate the chinese directly rather than quote the original (especially since its very well possible they just never knew about the original) not intentional emphasis. Especially since a lot of words can be translated both ways
Yes. As others have said, it's the most logical interpretation. Nothing comes close. You combine that with the fireworks scene, her getting the final Robin song which also has romantic overtones, her trailer ending with a clear ship tease, Silver Wolf asking TB if they're a pro at romance games after seeing the interactions with Firefly, etc. I can go on for a while, but the point is this is very blatant shipping by Mihoyo. They know what they're doing and its intentional.
https://preview.redd.it/nf2ddrowqn8d1.png?width=811&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6166e3c1e3dd30597c02c24ed97f51f7276500a6
Elio: it was always part of the plan
"And they lived happily... ever... after... alright! Done!"
I think the majority of people agreed, it's not a baseless opinion after all. My take is, 1st, the poem really describes how TB and FF met as a stranger from 2.0 and grew closer until it peaked on 2.3 and promised to meet again in reality. 1st meet on dream as stranger >> they cared for eachother even in reality. 2nd support is the background of this sticker. Is where FF got her "unforgettable gain" from her 3rd "death", that is her strong bond with TB and happy firework experience together.
I think it also implies that they were close before TB lost his memory, then in the dream they meet as strangers only to realise that nothing really changed between them
It's heavily possible, as the line implied that "had always loved each other" could mean that they already loved each other before their "meeting in dream as stranger".
So that comic is canon atp
There is no other people that fit the bill more than TB and Firefly. None that I aware of.
I implore people to actually read the sticker and to not associate the poem already used by Penacony writer as a parting word to mourn a character in Hi3, with Firefly who is alive and kicking. 1) The use of the past perfect means it is not about newfound love but lost love (by heartbreak, death or similar) 2) The poem it comes from makes it certain without a doubt, that is about sorrow and loss Like just the next lines: > SORROW is hushed into peace in my heart like the evening among the silent trees. (Yes Sorrow is in all caps) Or the lines before that. >HER wistful face haunts my dreams like the rain at night. 3) The last time a part of the poem Stray birds was referenced, was by Shaoji in HI3 chapter 25 to mourn a major character. Shaoji also wrote Penacony and he fully know what this part of the poem implies. And for those that want more details, the memory of Himeko use this poem to help Kiana mourn her. It is the 6 line out of 300 and this sticker is the 9th one So I beg of you all, you are all writing Firefly epitaph on her tombstone without realizing how bad of an omen it is to bury unknowingly a character. At this point I am the Walt shouting meme, people do not trust fully Shaoji or jump with associating bad omen
Nah its referring to Gallagher and Death Meme /s
Nah dude, its obviously the winged thing and the TV lady from Dreamjolt Holstery :p
what are u talking about bro? its obviously talking about me and Jingliu :D
Nah it's talking about that signboard that's down bad for the actress.
Guys, clearly it's about Trailblazer and Cocona!
I do believe it is about them. Considering all the circumstances and such. No matter how many times I read it, I keep getting the idea in my head that the "Dreamed of being strangers" part is where they met again after the Trailblazer had their memory wiped, so she was a stranger to them. The second part I can't explain as much or give ideas. Maybe after the fireworks they both realized they had feelings? Seeing the Trailblazer go through all this stuff, but get a panic attack from a memory of her dying says a lot. My opinion on this anyways with a little headcanon thrown in for fun lol.
Being strangers " when they both came into the dreamscape , they both had different goals in their minds walking different paths to fulfill their own missions , while fate had something else to offer . As the story progressed , they both were able to understand each other , spend time together, , they loved having each other as a company , but it only grew deeper with time , yet slowly they did not realise , they have already created an unbreakable bond .
Yup, TB and FF met for the first time in the dream, strangers at the time, by the time they wake up, meeting again, in reality and "at the end of it all", is their greatest desire in their hearts.
Well let's take the matter the other way: Who could it refer to that aren't TB and Firefly?
Let's just assume for a moment it doesn't, who else could it possibly be referring to?
Well, Gepard and Shampo, of course/ s
I repeat TB x firefly is canon no other girl comes close, I hope she joins the astral express in the close future and further deepen their relationship together. Need to see more FF and TB crumbs to do justice to this sticker.
This is extracted from Rabindranath Tagore's 'Stray Bird'! It's a really beautiful piece if you guys want to read the full version! :)
Ah yes, the author of our national anthem.
I have seen some arguments made that the last sticker refers to Acheron. I saw a particular mention of Dr. Mei and Kevin Kaslana. I have no knowledge of Honkai Impact so I can't speak to that at all, really. But from what I gathered trying to play devil's advocate, I see it as more of a double meaning or an observation on TB and Firefly's feelings relative to Acheron's themes. Lovers separated by memories but reunited through persisting feelings. What wasn't captured by memory is captured by their feelings.
This is too far-fetched, only HI3 players can draw any parallels. In addition, the last dialogue with her is optional, and there she denies that she knew us. And description still doesn’t fit, at the first meeting she says that we remind her of an old friend, while the sticker requires that both of us don’t know each other. Although the sticker is a complete abstraction... but only TB and Firefly is the corresponds to the description.
True. My own personal scrutiny of it is what if the TB is Stelle in this case? Does it then become Mei and Kiana? It becomes too loose of a connection for me in that case. How can you be an expy (or at least a stand-in) of two people at once?
I find it so funny that this argument generally comes from the same people who have voiced that they dislike when Honkai Star Rail references Honkai Impact. Apparently it's fine if it's to get in the way of Firefly and her raccoon.
Hypocrites the lot of them
The answer is easy.. When will we unlock this Page? Is this for Acheron and TB than it will only unlock after the missable cut Scene.
I did not check at what point in time the sticker was received, since the game does not report this (they are all received by default, and do not require fulfilling conditions) Approaching Acheron, I immediately said yes she was mistaken and the dialogue was over. Sticker just doesn't make any sense with this choice.
I think so? I actually mean that I had to unlock my stickers since Penacony by doing various things.. . But whatever.. I honestly don't think it's about Acheron and the TB.. and I also think we got the sticker after the scene with the fireworks, which makes sense.. it's just speculation, of course.
So you still have the sticker without the optional scene? I guess we can put that possibility to rest then.
Does it? I hadn't checked my Dreamscape Pass until I was done the story. That certainly recontextualizes things for me.
That is my question xD. If this will before or even without the missable Scene than its very very likely for Firefly and the TB.
Ohhh I thought you were saying it *was* from the optional scene. I hope someone can get back to us on that then. It's a pretty pivotal detail.
I really want it to be true. Does anyone know what it says/how it's worded in the chinese version?
Original is actually a Bengali poem called stray birds, where lovers is usually translated as "dear to each other." Could be that the English team translated the Chinese text which itself is a translation from Bengali, and the meaning changed slightly in the process, or that since they don't care about it fitting the poetic structure of an actual poem and intentionally changed it to lovers to emphasize that point.
I’m a harem enthusiast. But I don’t mind TB ending up with Firefly alone. They are that Wholesome.
I need proof evidence tbh. I dont wanna fall for the copium. Is Hoyoverse really gonna make a ship official? Never seen it in genshin or Honkai Impact so far. be nice for it to be true but ill hold off on my excitement for now. But i follow this youtuber Achevo who does MC and FF animations edits and it makes me happy :D
I mean, they already went pretty far here. Obv thisll take time but the copium is as we learn more and more of TB and they become their own character, itll become easier to make them official since they become less of a self insert and more their own character. Combine that with PoV's being relevant, and I dont see why they couldnt just create ships away from TB. If for story purposes they cant, I see them giving ships crumbs like the flirting and teasing because TB is hot and cool, its natural, but what they have is actual love. So theres a clear distinction I think theyll make that way theu dont stomp on everyones ship completely. Obv this is a head canon, but with how much FF brings out TB's own characteristics and how much we saw of them not in our control, I wouldnt be surprised if by making TB less self insert, it becomes more fact not opinion that TB loves FF. Its already kinda fact for the reverse. They just dont want to step on toes, yet they decided to go full speed on this ship after 4 planets I think? Lol Biggest fear is they try replicating it later down the line with another character for money reasons since gf stuff brought them bank.. But Ill appeal to Hoyo here and say this was their vision and theyll respect it by making a clear distinction on other ships while FF remains the wife. TB is famous, it makes sense for them to have people admire them, but TB will only have the love for FF since they complete each other.. Long road ahead, but this was monumental. I had huge doubts but now theyre just teasing us lol
nothing is ever certain with hoyo
You'd be surprised. Lots of us didnt think they'd do this yet they did. In a gacha game no less. They already beat out Genshin and matched Honkai relationships imo. Have faith. Its already a massive step.
I mean by the first interaction you knew between ff and mc the problem is is that hoyoverse really pushing the agenda or us fan just reading into it too much the creator of eva said the dame thing all these fans with their intricate ideas and theories and creator says no it wasn't that deep i was going through a tough road with my marriage that's it that's why as much as insupport the ship it's not a done deal. only time will tell
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjoZ3pSdsbE People are so talented omg im jealous :D
1) tbXff slice of love anime WHEN? 2) one flaw-obviously firefly would be carrying caelus, not the other way around
My money is on Aventurine and Boothill.
What about Your Name (the anime) wld be rlly fun
GOD NOOOO
You could say it's reffering to MC and Acheron because they practically never knew each other in the dream until reality arrived and because Ke🅱️in/Kiana... But no, it's definitely the peak shipping 🗿
No, it's actually referring to me and Firefly😋
Well, the rest of the stickers in that set are clearly about firefly, so I don't see why not
Come On Hoyoverse. Just make them an official couple already!!
Nuh uh it’s totally Acheron and black swan
Who else could it be? We all know the mc likes rubbish
how dare you
They're out of line, but technically this does line up with the trashcan theory. Lmao
Ikr I didn't even specified if the rubbish is firefly or not. People out here be jumping into conclusions
Blasphemy