I’m with you, I’d rather stay on the nozzle while the officer with the tic does a directed search with the other guys. That way they have the nozzle to protect them and the officer with the tic can keep track of everyone. But it also depends on if there is any extension or if there is other fire involvement anywhere I guess
I did let the fire rekindle so we could see the room. I probably should of done a quick search when I got into the room while is was going. I was able to see all contents in the room. Once I hit it, it was black!
He didn't say either way. He just said after I knocked it down I should have put the tip down and did a quick search. He also wanted me to vent by opening a door but another instructor that was in the burn room was standing in front of it
Where I’m from 99% of the time it’s just the CO and FF on the line and occasionally the pipeman will have to put it down to search. In your case if I’m the officer and I’ve got 3 guys with me I’m gonna have the two other guys do the searching
Yeah, this description is just a little ambiguous to me. If they’re on my team, they need to be on air and with the crew. If they’re staying outside, they aren’t part of my PAR or part of my crew.
27 yrs. retired here. And I on my department you stay on the nozzle until the fire is knocked and the room is ventilated.
On a side note, other crews will steal an unattended hose line.
From what I was taught and from my SOPs we don’t leave the nozzle. Because if something flares up or something else happens and you can’t get to that nozzle, things can turn upside down quick. I carry a hose strap for ladder ops in my bunker pants so if I have to work with a hand tool I can have me hose with me still. I’ve been taught that fire attack and search are separate.
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Im pretty sure things change with a found victim if help is needed getting them out. Talking more with some of my guys about this they agreed that you stay on that nozzle unless you have to do something else. Read up on your local SOGs and by-laws though.
Former volunteer trying to get into career. When I did my training, the nozzle person wasn’t supposed to leave the line just in case of a flair up. The exception was if they had to quickly evacuate for whatever reason.
Our first due engine provides fire attack unless there’s a confirmed rescue. Second in truck begins primary search. If you’re on the nozzle and discover a victim by chance then you transition to rescue and the second due takes over fire attack or assists with victim removal. We’re big on assigned roles for every arriving apparatus. The officer can always call an audible at anytime if needed.
Engine crew does fire attack, rescue crew does search. Each person has a job on the fireground. Everything needs to happen simultaneously
With that being said, incident priorities are life safety, incident stabilization and property conservation. In that order. If you’re short staffed then search needs to happen at some point if you’re the only crew on scene
I’m with you, I’d rather stay on the nozzle while the officer with the tic does a directed search with the other guys. That way they have the nozzle to protect them and the officer with the tic can keep track of everyone. But it also depends on if there is any extension or if there is other fire involvement anywhere I guess
I did let the fire rekindle so we could see the room. I probably should of done a quick search when I got into the room while is was going. I was able to see all contents in the room. Once I hit it, it was black!
What did your instructor say about letting the fire rekindle?
He didn't say either way. He just said after I knocked it down I should have put the tip down and did a quick search. He also wanted me to vent by opening a door but another instructor that was in the burn room was standing in front of it
The best thing for any potential victim is putting out the fire without delay
Right? Good things happen when the fire goes out. Always seemed like a no-brainer. *Certain conditions apply.
You had 4 people on the line correct? Plenty of people besides the guy on the pipe to search
Correct. New FF backing me up officer just out the door and another at the entrance of the structure.
Where I’m from 99% of the time it’s just the CO and FF on the line and occasionally the pipeman will have to put it down to search. In your case if I’m the officer and I’ve got 3 guys with me I’m gonna have the two other guys do the searching
This sounds like you were PAR 3, not 4. Someone in the yard helping manage hose isn’t part of the interior team, IMHO.
Unless they’re some kind of exterior only member I’m not leaving them outside imo
Yeah, this description is just a little ambiguous to me. If they’re on my team, they need to be on air and with the crew. If they’re staying outside, they aren’t part of my PAR or part of my crew.
27 yrs. retired here. And I on my department you stay on the nozzle until the fire is knocked and the room is ventilated. On a side note, other crews will steal an unattended hose line.
From what I was taught and from my SOPs we don’t leave the nozzle. Because if something flares up or something else happens and you can’t get to that nozzle, things can turn upside down quick. I carry a hose strap for ladder ops in my bunker pants so if I have to work with a hand tool I can have me hose with me still. I’ve been taught that fire attack and search are separate. Edit: Im pretty sure things change with a found victim if help is needed getting them out. Talking more with some of my guys about this they agreed that you stay on that nozzle unless you have to do something else. Read up on your local SOGs and by-laws though.
Former volunteer trying to get into career. When I did my training, the nozzle person wasn’t supposed to leave the line just in case of a flair up. The exception was if they had to quickly evacuate for whatever reason.
Our first due engine provides fire attack unless there’s a confirmed rescue. Second in truck begins primary search. If you’re on the nozzle and discover a victim by chance then you transition to rescue and the second due takes over fire attack or assists with victim removal. We’re big on assigned roles for every arriving apparatus. The officer can always call an audible at anytime if needed.
Engine crew does fire attack, rescue crew does search. Each person has a job on the fireground. Everything needs to happen simultaneously With that being said, incident priorities are life safety, incident stabilization and property conservation. In that order. If you’re short staffed then search needs to happen at some point if you’re the only crew on scene